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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2018-19 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Bean
- [304422310] Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 23:11
Constitution
I Site / Stat Source / League Fees
All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by ESPN. There is no fee for using ESPN.
II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from 11:00 p.m. – 9 a.m. ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.
The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.
III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK
IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.
V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website’s offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.
VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to “keep” Each owner may keep up to 6.
You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.
If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.
If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.
All “un-kept” players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.
The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.
VII Prizes
A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner’s responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.
A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to “win something.” Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.
2017-2018 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $100
2nd $60
3rd $35
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 19 X $15 = $ 285 ($30 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs)
Ineligible for prize pool:
PD
If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.
VIII Owners
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.
The following managers have had their 2018 draft picks altered via trade:
01-15-17 GO receives Sandforders 1st for his 4th Round (R. Anderson/Biyombo)
10-10-17 GO receives ttucowboy's 1st for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-11-17 bmd receives RSF's 2nd for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-11-17 Meatwads receives ttucowboys' 2nd for his 6th (2017 pick)
10-30-17 bmd receives Species' 1st for his 4th (Collison)
League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid |
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| 66 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 07:54
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Available cheap
Willie Cauley Stein
Or packaged with Irving or Heyward for a similar player... don't want both Celtics
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| 67 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 09:21
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TRADE
WG gets Willie Cauley-Stein, Joe Ingles, GOs last 2 2018 picks
GO gets WGs 2018 3 and 4
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| 68 | GO
ID: 578392522
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 10:17
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Confirmed.
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| 69 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 29945215
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 10:30
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Anybody interested in some solid assists and 3Ps for this year?
George Hill - PG, starter and leader of Cleveland.
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| 70 | KnicksFan
ID: 14802515
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 10:33
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Accepted a RSF trade offer on ESPN. Just waiting to hear from him about the particulars before confirming it here.
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| 71 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 11:32
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The agreement was you send me your next four #1 picks...
KF, emailed you back through the espn mail.
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| 72 | KnicksFan
ID: 14802515
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 11:37
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I figured you just knew something about Andrew Harrison that no one else did. Sent you a message back.
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| 73 | KnicksFan
ID: 14802515
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 11:44
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Trade with RSF is voided. Bean, can you cancel the ESPN transaction of Mirotic for Harrison? Thanks!
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| 74 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 12:13
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<73> Vetoed it
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| 75 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 15:25
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Open to dealing my 1.11 post keep... preferably for an older guy who can pass.
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| 76 | KnicksFan
ID: 14802515
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 17:00
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TRADE
KF 5.08 + some scrub
for
ttucowboys 6.02 + James Johnson
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| 77 | ttucowboy
ID: 51737190
Fri, Oct 05, 2018, 17:05
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Confirmed
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| 78 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 21:59
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I have started the draft. No clock on Sunday & Monday or until we start the 2nd round whichever comes first. Four hour clock thereafter as long as we are not in peril of being ready for the start of the season.
If you find an error in your picks or keepers in Draft Time let me, Tosh, Guru or GO know ASAP so we can fix it.
I will periodically load your players into your rosters at ESPN, so the players tab can be a useful tool for drafting.
Good Luck
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| 79 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 22:05
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Just to be clear about the no clock. It's not there to abuse, its to give everyone time to get their queues loaded and to become aware that we have started. When I do start the clock there will be a daily pause between 10 PM and 8 AM EDT. You will still be able to pick during the pause.
Anything else that you all already know that I need to say?
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| 80 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 22:41
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Bean - I remember Species used to make us pick up players after we drafted them. I think there was a reason he didn't add the player to rosters as the drafted unfolded. Maybe because he ended up having to do it all again at the end. I could be out of my mind, so maybe someone more informed could chime in.
I've been looking for my franchise center for years. Welcome to the squad DeAndre Ayton!
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| 81 | GO
ID: 578392522
Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 22:46
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Thanks Bean, from what I've seen on Draftie it looks good. But I always say this in F101.
Making your 1st pick is you essentially signing off and attesting that all your picks are correct and you've reviewed them
We will always try and correct things if possible, but we're only human. Don't tell the league when the draft is over that you never got that extra 3rd rounder you were owed. You snooze, you lose.
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| 82 | GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 07:49
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If you are hunting for extra picks, I will move picks for extra 1sts next year.
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| 83 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 10:51
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<80> Yeah, I just assumed it was to save him the effort. I prefer to control it myself, and avoid the issues that come with having to bird dog everyone to make sure they do it. I should be able to keep up with the draft for the most part. I believe you can check your roster regularly to check my work.
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| 84 | Florian
ID: 298441917
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 21:47
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Is there any easy way to see which players are available? When I look at the ESPN site my roster (and all the other rosters) are now empty and all players look available.
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| 85 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 5352110
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 22:43
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Trade announcement:
RSF.2018.1st + RSF.2019.1st
For
Tosh.2018.1st + Tosh.2019.2nd
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| 86 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 22:51
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Agreed
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| 87 | GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Oct 07, 2018, 22:56
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Florian if you need some names you can import preranked players on Draftime as well. Its about 300 players I think.
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| 88 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 01:33
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<84> When I look at the players tab at ESPN, I only see available players. I assumed everyone saw that as well. Is it only League Managers that see it that way?
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| 89 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 01:41
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<85> So, I guess tosh did the pick swap in Draft Time.
It's probably a rare occurence, but how have we historically handled it, if this trade were later disapproved via a ground swell of support for veto?
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| 90 | GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 07:55
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My pick is for sale for a 1st next year. If no offers I will pick around 830 when I get to work.
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| 92 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 10:33
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Outside of some crap that was pulled in last years redraft (non-trade related), I can't recall a vetoed trade during the redraft before. Valid question, especially considering the time constraints involved.
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| 93 | Florian
ID: 298441917
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 10:38
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Somehow my ESPN leagues got switched. I now only see available players (and keepers are on their correct teams). Thank you :)
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| 94 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 11:06
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<89><92> I am inclined to think that the risk should belong to the trade partners. If the trade is later vetoed, they get to keep the players who were drafted in their original slots. To back the draft up would be too intrusive.
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| 95 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Oct 08, 2018, 13:26
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We are nearly done with the first round now. The draft has been running for well over 24 hours now. There was no mystery about when the draft would start.
WG has been on the clock for 4.5 hours now. I have sent him an e-mail (to two different addresses) telling him that if he doesn't make his pick by 1 PM EDT, he will be skipped. If you have an alternate way to contact him, and you actually give a damn, you may want to let him know.
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| 96 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 22:09
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Sorry for the delay guys. I came in a bit late tonight, and then started talking about trading the pick. The deal ended up falling through. I'll be selecting within 15 minutes. Again, sorry for the 2+ hour delay during prime evening time.
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| 97 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Tue, Oct 09, 2018, 23:01
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I'm not sure there are any more rookies for Meatwads to select with his last pick.
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| 98 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 13:04
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Treasurer update:
I'm still awaiting payment from the following (see post 16 for details):
Coldwater Coyotes
ttucowboy
Youngroman
Skinneej
Fosten still has the option to join this year or to defer his decision to next season.
If anyone sent a check via snail mail, my mail has been held while I was away, so I'm awaiting delivery of the last week's mail.
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| 99 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 13:27
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Sent
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| 100 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 10, 2018, 13:29
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Received. I also just got the held mail, and it included a check from Coldwater.
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| 101 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 07:46
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RSF - I found one more rookie to draft! I've officially used all 6 picks on rookies for the first time. I feel excitement and shame.
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| 102 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 09:34
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Side note, I want to give a shout out to Vampire Weekend. When I was looking over the rosters, I noticed he drafted Jayson Tatum and Donovon Mitchell!!! last season. It was the inspiration behind my rookie bonanza. I'm not expecting miracles, but I liked my 2.02 stab at Michael Porter, Jr. paired with Deandre Ayton long term. I also liked what Florian did with his rookie picks. Getting Wendell Carter and Mo Bamba has the potential to make a big difference down the road. Good luck to everyone this season!
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| 103 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 10:41
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Funny thing is I knew you were taking that guy. Almost took him to cock-block you. Ha! I like Williams too, just not enough minutes for my roster needs. Had to take a boring-ass selection of Mason Plumlee. Welcome back to the squad Mase.
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| 104 | ttucowboy
ID: 51737190
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 15:36
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Ok, mini rant here. I didn't have a pick until the end of the 3rd round. I've now had my queue picked clean for 3 out of the 4 picks I've had since I joined the draft party. Y'all can't even let me have the bums I want. Lol
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| 105 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 19:53
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That's why I rarely set pick queues with this group. I keep an overall queue and then when I get within 2-3 picks I start looking at those remaining players closer. Almost all of my picks this draft have been the B or C player I was looking at, but that's pretty much expected by now.
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| 106 | Vampireweekend
ID: 129531119
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 20:53
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Mitchell in the second round no less. Sadly I have not had too many other draft successes through the years - talking to you Stanley Johnson....
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| 107 | GO
ID: 578392522
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 20:54
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I like my double draft pick of Dennis Smith and John Collins (1.18) even better :)
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| 108 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 20:55
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I've been Stanley'd too. Its painful.
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| 109 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 158151719
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 21:01
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It's early yet, but I like Jarrett Allen as my 2017.5th Rounder. Everyone else on my keepers was either a trade or a waiver-wire add.
Damn, I just realized I drafted Mason Plumlee in last years redraft...in the 3rd round. I have issues.
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| 110 | KnicksFan
ID: 399501121
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 22:50
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I want to select Allonzo Trier with 6.08 but hes not in Draftime or the ESPN game yet. Whats the protocol?
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| 111 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 23:04
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I was able to use my commissioner super-powers and add him. So I made the pick on your behalf.
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| 112 | KnicksFan
ID: 399501121
Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 23:07
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Thanks! Actually can you use those powers to put Giannis on my team?
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| 113 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Fri, Oct 12, 2018, 20:11
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Draft is over. Your players are entered into ESPN. Let me know if there is a mistake. Undrafted players are on waivers until Sunday.
Good Luck
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| 114 | Bean
ID: 304422310
Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 10:22
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<106><108> Guess its my turn to be Stanley-ed this year (6.14).
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| 115 | Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 21:39
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I flirted with taking him too, but couldn't pull the trigger. I think I had him on my roster for a short time last year as well, but maybe without SVG he will finally reach his potential.
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| 116 | GO
ID: 578392522
Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 22:57
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regular season thread started here...
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