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Subject: Gurupie 20: 2023-24 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Bean
- [12552510] Mon, Sep 11, 2023, 15:36
Constitution
I Site / Stat Source / League Fees
All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.
II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from midnight to 8 AM ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.
The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.
III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL (a 2nd IL slot will be added for the 2023-24 season and beyond)
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK
IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the Yahoo site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.
V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.
VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.
You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.
If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.
If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically, the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.
All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.
The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.
VII Prizes
A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.
A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.
If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.
Treasurer will announce payouts and non-participants.
VIII Owners
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.
IX 2023 Draft Pick Trades:
# YYYY-MM-DD Sends-Rd For-Rd #Thread
01 2022-10-06 DaveR-1 WWCBD-4 #55 pre-season
02 2022-12-08 GO-1 RMoney-6 #Debated
03 2022-12-17 GO-2 PermDude-6 #none
04 2023-01-08 WG-1 Tosh-6 #41
05 2023-01-12 WG-4 KnicksFan-6 #39
06 2023-01-20 ttucowboy-2 WWBCD-6 #49
07 2023-01-24 WG-5 Bean-6 #none
08 2023-01-29 RSF-1&2 PhillyBusters-3&4 #72
09 2023-02-12 WG-2 Duff-5 #89
10 2023-02-13 Tree-2 BBtheBall-6 #88
11 2023-02-25 Duff-2(from ttucowboy) Tree-6 #none
12 2023-03-04 WG-3 Fosten-6 #93
X League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
2021 WG
2022 skinneej
2023 skineej |
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| 132 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Jan 04, 2024, 14:32
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My 2 and 3 separately otb for any help now, preferably in 3s, Pts, Stls.
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| 133 | Tosh
ID: 69302312
Thu, Jan 04, 2024, 16:58
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131 - confirm
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| 134 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Jan 04, 2024, 17:15
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TRADE
Tree gets WG's 24-1, Goga Bitadze, Ayo Dosunmu
WG gets Kyle Kuzma and Tree's 24-6
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| 135 | RecycledSpinalFluidi
ID: 45103890
Thu, Jan 04, 2024, 17:55
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I'd like to invoke the little known league by-law known as "give-backsies", where I am allowed to rescind a "less than optimal" trade.
In this case, Grant Williams would like to return to Tosh. I think when you look up the term "Consistency", you will see this example of its use in a sentence:
"Grant Williams exemplifies consistency in his extreme inconsistency."
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| 136 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Jan 04, 2024, 18:20
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Kevon Looney otb for anyone looking for OREB (16th most) or REB. Swap for 3/Pts/Stl guy.
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| 137 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 09:53
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Did not intend to drop Nesmith, clicked on wrong player. Added him back.
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| 138 | BB The Ball
ID: 7034610
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 11:34
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Accepted Trade: between WG and BB the Ball
BB the ball gets : Christian Wood and 2024 Round 2
WG gets Bogdan Bogdanovic and 2024 Round 6
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| 139 | WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 11:41
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Confirmed.
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| 140 | RecycledSpinalFluidi
ID: 45103890
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 19:34
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So bean enacted the "give-backsies" rule, sorta. lol.
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| 141 | WWCBD
ID: 331149292
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 20:44
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This is why you don't drink and drop.
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| 143 | ttucowboy
ID: 28191121
Sat, Jan 06, 2024, 22:00
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G20 Baseball is looking for two (maybe 3?) new owners. It will be a 3-person draft of vacated players and prospects which is a fun wrinkle.
Please see Post 173 of this thread for details:
G20 Baseball
And contact Species if interested:
gmrobinson1@yahoo.com
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| 144 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 11:12
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GO, you suck. Grumble grumble Brook Lopez grumble...
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| 145 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 11:15
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If I only had a stud like Clint Capela...
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| 146 | GO
ID: 201138119
Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 18:06
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Thank god for JJJ... did he go undrafted or did someone give up on him way too early?
I don't typically move younger guys - especially with that much early success and opportunity - but worth a shot to wrinkle feathers of the elite teams.
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| 147 | ttucowboy
ID: 28191121
Fri, Jan 12, 2024, 08:43
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Clint Capela and Fred VanVleet otb. Looking to shake things up. Open to ideas.
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| 148 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 02:37
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Like clockwork, in Marvin Bagley's first game for my team, he drops a 0 for 5 on free throws.
On my team, FT% means Forget-That-Percentage (the clean version, that is...)
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| 149 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Jan 20, 2024, 10:32
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;)
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| 150 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Jan 29, 2024, 11:47
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Reminder, we have a trade deadline. From the league settings:
Trade End Date: February 29, 2024
Leap day! Don't forget.
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| 151 | ttucowboy
ID: 28191121
Fri, Feb 02, 2024, 10:38
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Pascal Siakam otb. Open to ideas.
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| 152 | GO
ID: 43119212
Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 10:56
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Feel like I'm forced to explore moving my favorite player Embiid to take a shot at this thing. Inquire within.
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| 153 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 15:38
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BBall Paul for Embiid, straight up!
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| 154 | GO
ID: 43119212
Mon, Feb 05, 2024, 16:37
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I do love him too! :)
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| 155 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 11:10
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I need a prize for how terrible my FT% is.
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| 156 | WWCBD
ID: 331149292
Fri, Feb 23, 2024, 02:33
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I have full confidence in a H2H 9-cat you'd be a heavy favorite RSF, but the times of punting FT% may be over for now. Not sure anyone can win this league with any category beneath maybe an 8?
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| 157 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 38142232
Fri, Feb 23, 2024, 03:42
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I’d love to claim to intentionally punting the cat, but this is just more a misconstructed team more than anything. When Harden was popping out 10+ FT a game, sprinkling some Gallinari at 5+, it could mask the one man FT% death squad that is Giannis. Love the dude, but man…try it left hand maybe?
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| 158 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 14:50
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Couple of Cs on the block.
Need all around game:
BBall Paul Reed - As starter:
10 pts, 8 boards (with 3 YES 3! Offensive Rebounds) 2.2 Stocks. Sillyass 37% on 3pt% (hardly any attempts, but still.) Top 30/80 ranking over last 30 days.
Would like a nice pick swap upgrade or a decent young guard who pops some threes.
Andre Drummond - Starting numbers are ridiculous 14-17(6.2) with nearly 3 Stocks...but hes not starting right now, so we'll take the uber solid line of 8-8(3.4 WHAT?! Oreb) with 1.9 Stocks. FT% sucks, but limited attempts.
Moderate pick swap upgrade (or more if you want to).
OK, I'm done with used car salesman routine.
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| 159 | GO
ID: 43119212
Tue, Feb 27, 2024, 15:53
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Trae Young anyone? Embiid? #10 and #11 on Hashtag Dynasty ranks and nobody even cracked an offer when they went down?
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| 160 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Tue, Feb 27, 2024, 20:45
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Reminder, we have a trade deadline. From the league settings:
Trade End Date: February 29, 2024
Leap day! Don't forget.
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| 161 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 20:23
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4-6 swap for help now, anyone??
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| 162 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 15:13
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Summary of all the Pick trades this year. If I have something wrong, or I missed something, let me know.
IX 2024 Draft Pick Trades:
# YYYY-MM-DD Sends-Rd For-Rd #Post
01 2023-10-14 GO-1 WWCBD-1 #80
02 2023-12-18 RSF-2 Tosh-4 #120
03 2023-12-25 WWCBD-(GO-1) Spida-6 #125
04 2023-12-28 Sanforders- 2 WWCBD-6 #none
05 2024-01-04 PermDude-5 RSF-3 #none
06 2024-01-05 Tosh-5&6 GO-3&(WWCBD-1) #131
07 2024-01-06 Tree-6 WG-1 #none
08 2024-01-08 BBtheBall-6 WG-2 #138
09 2024-01-11 GO-2 KnicksFan-6 #none
10 2024-01-30 skineej-2 ttucowboy-6 #none
11 2024-02-03 Rotoguru-6 WG-3 #none
12 2024-02-04 Bean-3 RSF-1 #none
13 2024-03-02 Bean-6 WG-4 #none
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| 163 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 18:20
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I have 5 current keepers on my roster (traded one away) ...
Out indefinitely due to Hamstring
Out indefinitely due to Back
Out indefinitely due to Shoulder
Out indefinitely due to Shoulder
Out indefinitely due to Knee
Talk about just playing out the last 22 days!
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| 164 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Wed, Apr 03, 2024, 02:15
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Only 18 points back...I got this!
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| 165 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Fri, Apr 05, 2024, 01:07
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RE: Post 135. Tosh & RSF announce the completion of the "give-backsies" rule, finally completing the Daniels/Williams trade reversal. While I do incur a 2 round penalty for the swap back, I look forward to what the future with Dyson brings.
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| 166 | Tosh
ID: 69302312
Fri, Apr 05, 2024, 13:46
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Grant Williams has enjoyed his time back on the roster. Thanks for returning him to the mothership.
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| 167 | BB the Ball
ID: 10381417
Sun, Apr 14, 2024, 18:08
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Congrats WG
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| 168 | WWCBD
ID: 15301421
Sun, Apr 14, 2024, 22:00
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Congrats to the winner. Bean, you can go ahead and shoot my winnings to Eric (skinnee) and my team is available. I'm tapping out on fantasy bball.
Gluck all!
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| 169 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 00:20
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Grats WG as well as all those finishing in the money. Hope everyone had fun this year. Will wrap this up with prizes, demerits, lottery and a draft matrix.
Thanks for the early heads up on your departure plans WWCBD. If someone has a friend looking for a team, have them check in at roll call in the fall.
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| 170 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 13:12
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Final Strandings:
Rank Points Team
01 150.0 Wazaaap Guy
02 142.0 WWCBD (tied)
02 142.0 Skinnee J's (tied)
04 134.0 RSF's Dead men walking
05 124.0 SANFORDORS
06 119.0 GO Sixers
07 112.0 Bean's Buckeyes
08 109.5 BB the Ball
09 107.5 youngroman's Luschen
10 098.0 Weekend Over
11 097.0 Philly Busters
12 087.0 Munson Mobsters
13 086.5 #DemBoyz Pour 1 out for Jamin
14 076.0 Spida
15 065.0 ttucowboy
16 061.0 KnicksFan
17 050.0 PT's Pleasant Team
18 049.0 Air Tosh
19 041.5 Fred's Team
20 039.0 Roto Guru20
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| 171 | Tosh
ID: 69302312
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 14:48
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Congrats WG!
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| 172 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 15:36
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Prize winners have been notified by email. (I did not email WWCBD per his comments in [168].)
I'll plan to run the lottery later this week. I will send out notice in advance.
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| 173 | Skinneej
ID: 253531516
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 17:53
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Congrats WG! We couldn’t catch you at the end after you built the late lead. Even though my team was only 1 point off of last year which was good enough to win, you managed to cruise with an 8 point margin this year which is impressive.
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| 174 | Skinneej
ID: 253531516
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 17:57
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Sorry to see you go Duff. It was fun talking hoops with u long distance, and I’ll get back out to Portland next year to catch another game with you. Thanks for the extra funds you threw me, I’ll owe u a few beers when I see u next!
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| 175 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 45103890
Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 19:36
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Congrats WG on ring #3!
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| 176 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 12:43
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I will plan to run the draft lottery at approx. 12 noon ET on Friday, April 19.
The first step is to generate multiple sets of random numbers from 1-14. The first four numbers from each set will map to a specific team. As there are 1001 possible combination of four numbers pulled from 1-14, one specific combination results in a "do over" and the other 1000 are all assigned to lottery teams in proportion to their respective odds. 140 of those combinations are assigned to the bottom team, 140 to the second to bottom team, and so forth. Only 5 are assigned to the top ranked lottery team. This is exactly the same numerical process used by the NBA.
The first set of random numbers determines the team that gets the first pick. The second set determines the second pick (unless it's a duplicate, in which case we have a "do over"). The process continues until we have the top three draft picks assigned. Thereafter, teams follow in sequence according to their draft ranking.
For audit transparency, the random numbers are pulled from a routine at random.org, and I will have the results simultaneously emailed to several other league managers, including all 5 of the bottom teams. Note that, because this email originates onfrom my server, some email providers (including gmail) sometimes block it. I will also retain a copy of the original random number output, if needed for verification.
Once I apply the random numbers to determine the picks, I will post the results in this rotoguru forum thread. I will also upload and link the underlying spreadsheet with all of the details.
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| 177 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Apr 16, 2024, 12:49
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Here are the odds of each team being selected for each of the top three picks:
7th place Bean's Buckeyes 0.5%
8th place BB the Ball 1.0%
9th place youngroman's Luschen 1.7%
10th place Weekend Over 1.8%
11th place Philly Busters 4.5%
12th place Munson Mobsters 4.5%
13th place #DemBoyz Pour 1 out for Jamin 4.5%
14th place Spida 7.5%
15th place ttucowboy 9.0%
17th(*) place PT's Pleasant Team 10.5%
16th place KnicksFan 12.5%
18th place Air Tosh 14.0%
19th place Fred's Team 14.0%
20th place Roto Guru20 14.0%
(*)Note that PT's Pleasant Team was bumped back one slot due to failure to meet the minimum GP threshold for the past season (650 GP vs minimum required of 656 = one demerit)
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| 178 | WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 15:35
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Thanks all for another fun and challenging year. Duff and Skineej definitely made it close toward the end, and I was constantly tracking the different categories down the stretch to see how they could and would change. Was fortunate to get good health from my keepers and guys traded for. Thanks Bean and Guru for your efforts. Looking forward to defending!
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| 179 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Apr 19, 2024, 12:02
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Results of draft lottery:
Pick #1: ttucowboy
Pick #2: PT's Pleasant team
Pick #3: Spida
The bottom three teams get shut out this year.
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| 180 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Apr 19, 2024, 12:39
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Underlying draft lottery spreadsheet, for audit:
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/G20/G20-Apr24-14x4_balls.xlsx
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| 181 | R-Money
ID: 32122023
Fri, Apr 19, 2024, 14:28
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Bean, Guru, everyone. Thanks for the season. Congrats everyone.
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| 182 | Bean
ID: 12552510
Sat, Apr 20, 2024, 01:11
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Draft Matrix for 2024 Draft
Let me know if you find an error.
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