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Subject: Progressive Sports Challenge Discussion
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 09:26
With a new windsprint period starting, and the existing PSC threads getting rather lengthy, it's probably a good time to start a fresh thread.
For this week (12/10-16), I once again monitored the number of trades made by each team in the top 50 of the free game. I used the top 50 teams as of the morning of 12/10.
Of those 50, only 4 teams used more than 5 trades. Three were teams named "Logan_something", of which two used 9 trades and one used 6. The best of those three teams just cracked the top ten last week, and it looks like he's trying to make a move by using extra trades. (That same team used 11 trades last week.) The only other team to exceed 5 trades is coldwater coyotes, who used 7.
43 teams used exactly 5 trades. Two teams used only 4, and one team failed to trade. |
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| 40 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 10:17
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I'm playing with the 5 FREE TRADES every week.
PERIOD.
I have 2 teams - lead the division in one and
am stuck behind HOOPDREAMZ in the other.
Can't seem to close the gap on HOOPDREAMZ,
but he is not pulling away any either...
I got no problems with people spending money
to try to buy their way to the top - that's
pretty much how the real world works.
Logan_Whatever can buy a bunch of trades every
week. And RotoGuru can buy a trade "just in an
emergency". And I will just work hard and hustle
and do my best to keep up. Maybe I will.
Maybe not. But I'm having a blast, and being
one of the "little guys" (only using free trades)
competing against the "big guys" (guys willing to
spend money to buy their way to the top) adds
to the allure of the game.
I like being one of the little guys / underdogs.
I do hope the final winner is a free trades team.
But I got no problem with the guys who buy trades.
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| 41 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 10:59
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Just to recap my PSC baseball experience.
I used zero free trades until the next-to-last week of the season, when I bought a few just to lock things up.
The guy who finished second routinely bought 3-6 extra trades every week. By the end of the season, I figured he had spent more than $100. Maybe it was worth it to him to finish second.
So buying the extra trades is not a sure method to finish on top. (Obviously, it helps. But it can be overcome with judicious selections. And in my baseball experience, many of my decisions turned out to be boneheaded. I just had a favorable balance, I guess.)
Still, as I've said before, I'd prefer a game that had a hard limit on the number of weekly trades. The one-price game allows unlimited trades, which I don't find appealing. In football, I played both the one-price and free games, and enjoyed the free game much more, since it forces you to plan ahead.
Food for thought for PSC: why not change the one-price game (future seasons) to have a weekly trade limit? I don't think most people play that version to have unlimited trades - they play it to level the trade playing field. I'd be much more inclined to play the one-price game if there was a weekly trade limit.
Second thought: When counting trades, base trade counts on changes to the previous week's roster (and not any interim adjustments).
Here's what I'm getting at. Suppose I decide to drop Duncan, and add Garnett. Then, at the last minute, Garnett gets injured, and I'd prefer to keep Duncan and trade another slot instead. Under the current framework, I have to wait until the last moment to make my trades, since there is no way to undo a trade already processed. Of course, waiting until the last moment entails other risks.
Why not have all trades placed in a "pending" file, and not actually processed until the trade deadline? This way, you could submit a provisional trade plan in advance, but still elect to override it at a later time (but still prior to the freeze).
I realize it would require some additional programming, but it doesn't seem unduly onerous, and would certainly improve the game flow. It might also help those managers who fail to recognize early trade freeze times, as evidently happened this week.
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| 42 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 11:38
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DanO, I'm playing the same way you are. I do lead my league, but only because the 2nd place team had problems with some of his 'additional' trades he used. So that part is luck. Leading my league though I am only in 41st place overall and almost 1300 points behind Hoopdreamz so I really have no chance at anyone that is already 800 points ahead since that would involve having every player with 4 or 5 game weeks on my roster. Heck, I'm not even thinking of trading out of Tinsley unless he is injured for long period of time or starts playing 3-4 minutes a game regularly. So all I can hope for is to win my league and maybe sneak into the top 20 toward the end of the season when everyone else gets too busy with baseball.
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| 43 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 12:57
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I dont see anything wrong with the one price game =)
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| 44 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 12:22
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anyone else having trouble gettin in to www.pschallenge.com?
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| 45 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 12:29
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I can't get there either. It was up earlier this morning, however.
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| 46 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 13:51
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I'm enjoying the one price game but I think it would be better with a limit on trades - and that isn't because I trail KT.
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| 47 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 14:28
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Hi Splat! You're Alive!
I agree that with limited trades, more time would have to be spent on the game... which i would not prefer to do =P
PS to Splat - Nice team this week... you have a +150 on me this week or somtin... ugh
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| 48 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 17:49
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KT you've pikced some reat teams - I spent last week liking yours much better than mine. This week I like mine better. There's still a long way to go.
I'm in third (15 or so points behind)in the football and trying to come up with a team for this last week is hard. I like games with limited numbers of people to compete against.
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| 49 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Fri, Jan 04, 2002, 12:34
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oh man splat! you are +201 on me so far this week! i built up a lead over a 3 week period and now you are tearing it down! well done!
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| 50 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:01
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This should be an interesting weeks with lots of options. Lots of teams playing four and Portland and the Clippers playing five will create some team differentiation. Should be interesting at least.
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| 51 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:11
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True splat, only problem with having too many Clips or Blazers is that all of them only play 3 games the week afterwards.....
I finished 8th this week and managed to move up to 34th overall so I would have to say I had a fair week.
And still haven't used any extra trades.
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| 52 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:13
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Sorry I finished 11th this week, was 5th or 8th yesterday I think.
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| 53 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 421144298
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:54
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D'Oh! I changed my FM Mavs roster w/o checking the standings and didn't realize those jokers had a lead in the current windsprint! My filler C, Jason Collins' 91 points was the big surprise of the week.
The baseball cards I received from winning one of the 1-Price football windsprints got the once over from my mom during the holidays and she absconded with the Tino Martinez Team USA! Says she uses them for bookmarks. right! Now where are the other 10,000 cards from my youth?
It's all good though.
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| 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:54
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For the free game, here's a look back at the week's results, related to the number of trades used.
The three "Logan" teams used 11, 11, and 12 trades. They averaged 1613 points for the week (ranging from 1600-1625). Not a very good return on the extra investment, it would appear.
The other two teams who extra bought trades got 1680 and 1682 points (for 8 and 7 trades, respectively). Of those two teams, one was hurt by Cassell's 2 DNPs (HOOPDREAMZ).
The teams which only used the free allotment of 5 trades averaged 1640 points. The range was from a high of 1812 (deepsnapper - WTG!) to a low of 1501.
Three teams used less than 5 trades. Those teams used 3, 3, and 4 trades, and all scored in the 1500s. Still not sure what they were thinking of.
Not surprisingly, those who neglected (or forgot) to trade paid a heavy price. Those ten teams averaged only 1433 points. The best of that group (Pivo, ranked #6), had 1582. That team also used only 2 trades the prior week, and is clearly doing exceptionally well, given the trade shortness. Could he simply misunderstand the rules?
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| 55 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 14:18
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I wonder just how much some of the injuries to top teams will cause them to become 'disinterested' in spending money when they lose ground. I know that week before last I had Lamond Murray who never played, but had most of his teammates and they covered the difference. My closest opponent in my division has used more trades, but also got bit by Cassell and someone else with DNPs. Now I have almost a 600 point lead when 3 or 4 weeks ago he was up by 200. Now if I could gain on the leaders (slow down HOOPDREAMZ and GURU).
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| 56 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 08:20
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Looks like PSC forgot to reset the freeze back to Monday for this week. This morning's points are still being applied to last week's roster, and the free trade count still hasn't been reset to 5.
I've alerted the folks at PSC.
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| 57 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 10:28
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what a horrid week! had glenn robinson in one price game and .... my 300 point lead turned into 36~! AHH!
time to build it up again~! =)
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| 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 11:08
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Roster freeze has now been corrected.
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 13:29
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Trade recap - free game - freeze of 1/7/02:
Trades # teams
None 2
2 1
3 1
4 4
5 38
8 2
10 2
The extra trades were by the three Logan teams, plus Coldwater Coyotes (8). The usual.
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 13:34
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 7th:
Pos Name 7-Jan diff 31-Dec
G Tinsley, Jamaal 50 1 49
C Gasol, Pau 49 -1 50
F Jones, Jumaine 43 1 42
F Brand, Elton 41 4 37
C MacCulloch, Todd 38 -8 46
F Pierce, Paul 36 0 36
G Redd, Michael 35 2 33
F Walker, Samaki 26 5 21
C Kirilenko, Andrei 25 0 25
G Miller, Andre 25 5 20
G Stoudamire, Damon 24 22 2
G Anthony, Greg 23 -5 28
C Wallace, Rasheed 23 21 2
G Hassell, Trenton 22 0 22
G Person, Wesley 22 6 16
F Nailon, Lee 21 -2 23
G Richardson, Quenti 21 9 12
F Coleman, Derrick 19 -8 27
F Walker, Antoine 17 -4 21
F Garnett, Kevin 17 7 10
G Williams, Jason 15 -14 29
C Olowokandi, Michae 15 8 7
G Billups, Chauncey 15 9 6
F Odom, Lamar 15 15 0
G Parker, Tony 14 -7 21
F Duncan, Tim 12 -6 18
G Bryant, Kobe 12 -1 13
F Miles, Darius 12 0 12
C Haywood, Brendan 12 4 8
F Szczerbiak, Wally 11 7 4
F Miller, Mike 10 -3 13
G Anderson, Kenny 10 0 10
F LaFrentz, Raef 9 9 0
C Nesterovic, Radosl 8 0 8
F Swift, Stromile 7 -4 11
F Najera, Eduardo 7 5 2
G Williams, Alvin 7 6 1
F Trent, Gary 7 7 0
F Carter, Vince 7 7 0
C Clark, Keon 6 5 1
G Terry, Jason 6 6 0
F Battier, Shane 5 -9 14
G McInnis, Jeff 5 1 4
C Rebraca, Zeljko 5 4 1
F Griffin, Eddie 5 4 1
G Davis, Baron 5 5 0
F Posey, James 5 5 0
C Miller, Brad 4 -24 28
G Jefferson, Richard 4 2 2
F Pippen, Scottie 4 4 0
G Kidd, Jason 3 -25 28
G Cassell, Sam 3 -12 15
G Norris, Moochie 3 -2 5
G Kittles, Kerry 3 -2 5
C Collins, Jason 3 0 3
G Nash, Steve 3 2 1
G Hudson, Troy 3 3 0
G Torres, Oscar 2 -3 5
F Marshall, Donyell 2 0 2
F Mason, Desmond 2 0 2
F Long, Art 2 0 2
G Jordan, Michael 2 2 0
F Williamson, Corlis 2 2 0
F Fortson, Danny 1 -9 10
F Martin, Kenyon 1 -7 8
F Van Horn, Keith 1 -4 5
C O'Neal, Shaquille 1 -2 3
C Mutombo, Dikembe 1 -2 3
G McKie, Aaron 1 -2 3
G Maggette, Corey 1 -2 3
F O'Neal, Jermaine 1 -2 3
F Mohammed, Nazr 1 0 1
F Horry, Robert 1 0 1
F Thomas, Kenny 1 0 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
G Lue, Tyronn 1 0 1
C Ilgauskas, Zydruna 1 0 1
G Davis, Hubert 1 0 1
G Mercer, Ron 1 0 1
F Wallace, Ben 1 0 1
G Crotty, John 1 1 0
F Nowitzki, Dirk 1 1 0
F Davis, Dale 1 1 0
G Wells, Bonzi 1 1 0
C Stewart, Michael 1 1 0
F Davis, Ricky 1 1 0
F Patterson, Ruben 1 1 0
G Artest, Ron 1 1 0
G Augmon, Stacey 1 1 0
G Ollie, Kevin 1 1 0
G Johnson, Avery 1 1 0
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 0 -20 20
G Iverson, Allen 0 -5 5
F Robinson, Glenn 0 -5 5
G Richardson, Jason 0 -4 4
F Fizer, Marcus 0 -3 3
F Jamison, Antawn 0 -3 3
F Harrington, Al 0 -1 1
C Divac, Vlade 0 -1 1
F Bell, Raja 0 -1 1
G Johnson, Joe 0 -1 1
C Stojakovic, Predra 0 -1 1
F Peterson, Morris 0 -1 1
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| 61 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 14:57
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I like the simultaneous movement of all the Turkoglu owners. No one owner kept him. I don't know that I had him at all so far, maybe first 2 or 3 weeks, but don't think so.
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| 62 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 14:58
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Guru, wouldn't this game be interesting if it had price movement also?
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| 63 | KevinL
Donor
ID: 10417811
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 10:16
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This is not a strategy post, but I just have to say, I got my baseball prize (cards) yesterday and it is better than Christmas! Opening a package and finding it stacked with nice cards of your favorite players, how cool! Thanks "The Commish" and PSC!
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:06
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I also received my baseball prizes today. I won the free game, and as I recall, my prize packages were to have a total value of over $1000.
Very neat stuff!
1. Subway Series 2000 plaque, with an 8x10 photo collage of some Yankees and Mets
2. Framed autographed photo of Kobe Bryant (Yeah, I know it's not baseball, but Chris asked me if it was OK to mix sports.)
3. 8x10 autographed photo of Bob Feller
4. 8x10 autographed photo of Bill Freehan
125 baseball cards, ranging in value from $.50 to $150. Top valued card is a Mark McGwire 1984 USA Baseball Team card (Topps). Other notable cards include Vlad Guerrero 2nd year card (1997 Fleer Showcase), C.C. Sabathia rookie card (Bowman Chrome) , Vlad Guerrero "top prospect" card (1995, Upper Deck), and an Ozzie Smith Padres card (Topps Archive Reserve reprint of 1976 card - not worth much, but cool timing nevertheless).
Thanks, Chris.
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| 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:08
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Trade recap - free game - freeze of 1/14:
Trades # teams
None 6 (!)
5 37
6 1 (KTxOwNz)
7 2 (HOOPDREAMZ, Shark)
9 1 (coldwater coyotes)
11 2 (Logan_Knicks, Logan_Knicks1)
13 1 (Logan_Wildcats)
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| 66 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:12
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 14th:
Pos Name 14-Jan diff 7-Jan
G Tinsley, Jamaal 50 0 50
C Gasol, Pau 49 0 49
F Jones, Jumaine 41 -2 43
F Duncan, Tim 41 30 11
C MacCulloch, Todd 39 0 39
C Kirilenko, Andrei 36 11 25
F Nowitzki, Dirk 35 34 1
G Redd, Michael 34 -1 35
F Walker, Samaki 26 0 26
G Nash, Steve 24 21 3
G Anthony, Greg 21 -3 24
F Pierce, Paul 20 -17 37
F Nailon, Lee 19 -1 20
F Coleman, Derrick 19 1 18
G Parker, Tony 18 5 13
G Person, Wesley 17 -5 22
G Kidd, Jason 17 15 2
G Billups, Chauncey 16 2 14
F O'Neal, Jermaine 16 15 1
G Hassell, Trenton 15 -7 22
G Williams, Jason 15 0 15
F Najera, Eduardo 14 7 7
F Garnett, Kevin 13 -5 18
G Williams, Alvin 13 6 7
F Carter, Vince 13 6 7
F Malone, Karl 13 13 0
G Richardson, Quenti 11 -11 22
C Haywood, Brendan 11 -1 12
F Walker, Antoine 10 -6 16
F Miller, Mike 10 -1 11
G Anderson, Kenny 10 0 10
F LaFrentz, Raef 9 0 9
F Griffin, Eddie 9 5 4
F Thomas, Kenny 9 8 1
C Olowokandi, Michae 8 -7 15
G Bryant, Kobe 8 -4 12
G Francis, Steve 8 8 0
C Nesterovic, Radosl 7 -1 8
F Swift, Stromile 7 0 7
F Posey, James 7 2 5
G Jefferson, Richard 7 3 4
G Cassell, Sam 7 4 3
C Collins, Jason 7 4 3
G Kittles, Kerry 7 5 2
F Padgett, Scott 7 7 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 6 -19 25
F Szczerbiak, Wally 6 -5 11
G Crotty, John 6 4 2
G Miller, Andre 5 -21 26
C Clark, Keon 5 -1 6
F Battier, Shane 5 0 5
G Allen, Ray 5 5 0
C Rebraca, Zeljko 4 -1 5
C Miller, Brad 4 0 4
G Van Exel, Nick 4 4 0
F Brand, Elton 3 -39 42
G Terry, Jason 3 -3 6
G McInnis, Jeff 3 -2 5
G Norris, Moochie 3 0 3
F Harrington, Al 3 3 0
C Wallace, Rasheed 2 -21 23
G Hudson, Troy 2 -1 3
G Torres, Oscar 2 0 2
F Long, Art 2 0 2
F Fortson, Danny 2 1 1
F Martin, Kenyon 2 1 1
G Lue, Tyronn 2 1 1
G Griffin, Adrian 2 2 0
F Miles, Darius 1 -11 12
G Davis, Baron 1 -5 6
F Marshall, Donyell 1 -1 2
F Mason, Desmond 1 -1 2
G Jordan, Michael 1 -1 2
F Williamson, Corlis 1 -1 2
F Van Horn, Keith 1 0 1
F Mohammed, Nazr 1 0 1
F Horry, Robert 1 0 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
F Wallace, Ben 1 0 1
G Wells, Bonzi 1 0 1
F Patterson, Ruben 1 0 1
G Augmon, Stacey 1 0 1
G Ollie, Kevin 1 0 1
G Johnson, Avery 1 0 1
C Olajuwon, Hakeem 1 1 0
G Hart, Jason 1 1 0
C Mourning, Alonzo 1 1 0
C Robinson, David 1 1 0
F Massenburg, Tony 1 1 0
G Martin, Darrick 1 1 0
G Strickland, Rod 1 1 0
F Odom, Lamar 0 -15 15
F Trent, Gary 0 -8 8
F Pippen, Scottie 0 -4 4
C O'Neal, Shaquille 0 -1 1
G McKie, Aaron 0 -1 1
G Maggette, Corey 0 -1 1
G Mercer, Ron 0 -1 1
F Davis, Dale 0 -1 1
C Stewart, Michael 0 -1 1
F Davis, Ricky 0 -1 1
G Artest, Ron 0 -1 1
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| 67 | Pistol Pete
ID: 3710531014
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:19
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LOL. I finally remebered to make trades in the PSC game yesterday. First time in a month. : )
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| 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:44
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34 teams got Dirked around already.
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| 69 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 01:08
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Guru.... there must be a mistake in your program beacuse I only made 5 trades on my KTxOwNz team... just to let you know... I just doubled checked too
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| 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 09:39
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KtxGod - Here are the 6 moves I found for that team:
Before => After
MacCulloch => Rebraca
Brand => Duncan
Hassell => Crotty
Kobe => Nash
B. Davis => Kidd
R. Wallace => Nowitzki
Curiously, I have that team down for only 4 trades in the prior week. Perhaps there was a system glitch at PSC and one of last week's trades wasn't correctly reported when I did last week's update? Was one of these trades actually done the week before?
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| 71 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:12
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yea the rebraca trade was the previous week
I doubled check with my "team email updates" and also emailed te guys at PSC about it. I used 5 trades each week.
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| 72 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:13
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how dare you think i would be an idiot trading TMacII to Rebraca this week =)
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| 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:47
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Very bizarre, because when I accessed your team on the morning of 1/14 (2 days ago), TMac2 was still listed in that slot. Are you sure your score for last week was accurate? Your team page showed 1976 points last week, which was consistent with TMac2, rather than Rebraca.
On the other hand, since TMac2 outpointed Rebraca by 24 points last week, maybe you should let sleeping dogs lie...
Nice trade, BTW!
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| 74 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 14:30
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Shhh haha
i dont think 24 points would make that big of a deal anyways....
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| 75 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 01:46
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wow... im glad to say that i got nazr mohamed on my teams this week =)
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| 76 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:15
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Hey does PSCHALLENGE give any kind of prize to the high score each week, or just to the 6 week "WINDSPRINT" winners, or what?
I finally got it all together for a week with "DANO KNOWS HOOPS" and led the world last week. Of course, I still trail ROTOGURU and HOOPDREAMZ by a thousand points each, but at least I made a dent in their leads this week...
ROTOGURU - I really appreciate your weekly player summary of the top50 teams. THANKS!!! And I love the message boards - I don't write much but I read a ton!
DanO
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| 77 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:22
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Prizes
Looks like you get a $25 prize pack. Congrats.
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| 78 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:29
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Here's the latest weekly summary of trades for the week 1/21-27:
Trades # teams
None 6 (!) - perhaps the early freeze once again took its toll
2 1
4 4
5 33
6 3 (Coldwater coyotes and the two lower ranked Logan teams)
7 1 (shark - ranked #45)
8 1 (HOOPDREAMZ)
10 1 (Logan_Knicks)
DanO, your two teams each showed up with 4 trades apiece. Is that correct? If so, could you not find anything better to do with that last trade?
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| 79 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:32
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 21st:
Pos Name 21-Jan diff 14-Jan
C Gasol, Pau 50 1 49
C Kirilenko, Andrei 45 8 37
G Tinsley, Jamaal 42 -7 49
G Redd, Michael 42 5 37
F Duncan, Tim 40 -1 41
C MacCulloch, Todd 37 -3 40
F Nowitzki, Dirk 33 -4 37
F Walker, Samaki 33 3 30
F Jones, Jumaine 32 -9 41
F Garnett, Kevin 32 16 16
F Pierce, Paul 26 6 20
F Nailon, Lee 25 6 19
G Nash, Steve 24 -1 25
F Mohammed, Nazr 23 22 1
C Haywood, Brendan 21 9 12
G Griffin, Adrian 19 17 2
G Billups, Chauncey 18 1 17
G Williams, Jason 17 1 16
G Terry, Jason 17 14 3
G Anderson, Kenny 14 5 9
F Walker, Antoine 13 2 11
F Griffin, Eddie 13 3 10
G Kidd, Jason 12 -6 18
G Richardson, Quenti 12 -1 13
F Malone, Karl 12 0 12
F Szczerbiak, Wally 12 6 6
G Anthony, Greg 11 -8 19
G Smith, Charles 11 11 0
F Carter, Vince 10 -4 14
G Bryant, Kobe 10 2 8
G Williams, Alvin 9 -4 13
F Thomas, Kenny 9 0 9
F Swift, Stromile 9 4 5
F Padgett, Scott 8 0 8
F Webber, Chris 8 8 0
G Person, Wesley 7 -10 17
G Hassell, Trenton 7 -9 16
C Olowokandi, Michae 7 -2 9
G Cassell, Sam 7 0 7
G Kittles, Kerry 7 0 7
G Lue, Tyronn 6 4 2
G George, Devean 6 6 0
F Collins, Jarron 6 6 0
F Najera, Eduardo 5 -8 13
G Jefferson, Richard 5 -2 7
G Norris, Moochie 5 2 3
C Nesterovic, Radosl 4 -2 6
G Allen, Ray 4 -2 6
F Long, Art 4 2 2
G Davis, Baron 4 3 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 4 3 1
F Coleman, Derrick 3 -14 17
G Parker, Tony 3 -13 16
F Miller, Mike 3 -5 8
C Collins, Jason 3 -5 8
G Crotty, John 3 -3 6
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 3 3 0
G Buford, Rodney 3 3 0
F Posey, James 2 -5 7
G Miller, Andre 2 -3 5
C Clark, Keon 2 -2 4
F Brand, Elton 2 -2 4
G Hudson, Troy 2 -1 3
F Mason, Desmond 2 1 1
G Iverson, Allen 2 2 0
G Lewis, Rashard 2 2 0
F Foster, Jeff 2 2 0
F O'Neal, Jermaine 1 -13 14
F LaFrentz, Raef 1 -8 9
G Francis, Steve 1 -6 7
F Battier, Shane 1 -5 6
C Miller, Brad 1 -2 3
F Harrington, Al 1 -2 3
G Torres, Oscar 1 -1 2
F Fortson, Danny 1 -1 2
F Miles, Darius 1 0 1
F Marshall, Donyell 1 0 1
F Van Horn, Keith 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
G Ollie, Kevin 1 0 1
G Strickland, Rod 1 0 1
C O'Neal, Shaquille 1 1 0
C Stojakovic, Predra 1 1 0
G Johnson, DerMarr 1 1 0
G Payton, Gary 1 1 0
G Jones, Eddie 1 1 0
F Fotsis, Antonis 1 1 0
F Thomas, Tim 1 1 0
G Daniels, Antonio 1 1 0
F Abdur-Rahim, Share 1 1 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 0 -6 6
C Rebraca, Zeljko 0 -4 4
G Van Exel, Nick 0 -4 4
G McInnis, Jeff 0 -1 1
C Wallace, Rasheed 0 -1 1
F Martin, Kenyon 0 -1 1
F Williamson, Corlis 0 -1 1
F Wallace, Ben 0 -1 1
F Patterson, Ruben 0 -1 1
G Augmon, Stacey 0 -1 1
G Johnson, Avery 0 -1 1
C Olajuwon, Hakeem 0 -1 1
G Martin, Darrick 0 -1 1
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| 80 | coldwater coyotes
Leader
ID: 330491818
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:34
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Buying one extra trade has not helped me!!
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| 81 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:40
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Well, I'm the one with Jermaine O'Neal. I was in NH from last Sunday to Wednesday night, left Thursday for Vegas and did not return until Monday at 6 AM. All along figuring I had until 6:00 Central time to make changes. Got up at Noon Monday and remembered that they had games on MLK Day early. Logged on at 12:10 PM Central time to find out the deadline was 10 minutes earlier. Long story short, I got the shaft this time. Hoping it doesn't hurt me terribly. Only lost 2 spots with him injured last week, probably if lucky lose about 6-10 which would still keep me in the top 50 and hopefully still at top of my division (leading by 650+).
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| 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:41
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I've noticed. Frankly, I haven't identified any team which has benefitted greatly from the extra trade purchases.
But then, I don't know how those teams would be doing if they only used 5 trades.
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| 83 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:43
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This weeks going to hurt - Kenny Thomas gone for the rest of the week and Abdur-Rahim gone helping alhtoughs with Mohammed. Yuck....
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| 84 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 19:17
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Splat sorry buddy... I bet while you were making that comment, you were making reference to my Our teams.
You having Kenny thomas, me havinr Nazr.
Dont worry.... Kenny is a cheapie...I lost Francis and Jermaine last week for like 5 games combined =(
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| 85 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 21:11
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I think allowing 1 or 2 in-week substitutions would make the game's competition based more on skill and force some interesting choices along the way - do you swap out Kenny Thomas immediately, or hold your trade in case Garnett goes down?
Of course, this would add more than a weekly cycle of work for Chris et al, so I won't hold my breath.
It's just frustrating that injuries, and the capricious timing of them, have such a drastic influence on your performance. How the players do is almost secondary, as long as the are just on the court!
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| 86 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 21:33
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unless of course you had adrian griffin that one week when he got -2 total for the week =(
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| 87 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 00:19
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GURU - Yeah, I only traded 4 players on each team. The teams are similar, but have a few differences. I didn't use the last trade on either team because I liked who I had for the week after the four trades... I pretty much keep most of my players based upon pts/$ over the long haul, and trade expensive people weekly based upon the next 7 or 14 days of schedule. And the high $ guys I traded for last week mostly stayed healthy and had 4 games a week for a couple weeks in a row, so I kept them...
Which means that probably all of them will sprain ankles or get ejected or hit by meteors. But this is FUN, and now I'm really hooked on ESPNnews (like I was only moderately hooked before) and actually read the box scores for all the games and compute TSN and PSchallenge points in my head as game stats flash across the bottom of the screen on TV. I may need a 12 step program when hoops is over....
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| 88 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jan 24, 2002, 10:36
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Lately, I've been primarly tracking my team against HOOPDREAMZ. Each week, I determine which players are different between our teams, and follow their progress separately.
Lately, there have only been about 5 differences, and most are lower priced players (the aggregate cost of those five is about $14m this week). Here is the competition for this week:
My "difference" team:
Jumaine Jones
Jarron Collins
Scott Padgett
Paul Pierce
Rodney Buford
His team:
Lee Nailon
Desmond Mason
Chauncey Billups
Moochie Norris
Nazr Mohammed
When you look at our rosters in total, these players don't look like the critical ones. But when you get down to one-and-one competition, they are the only players that matter (for this week, at least). All of the Garnetts, Duncans, Malones, Nowitzkis, etc. cancel out.
It certainly puts a different perspective on the game. Clearly, you've got to maintain the diligence and flexibility to keep the proper studs flowing through at the proper times. But given that we seem to be approaching that aspect similarly, the title may ultimately be decided by the selection of cheapies.
Of course, I'm not dismissing the possibility that some of the other teams are also in contention. The "eastsiders" team has consistently been tracking us, and could easily overtake us with a good week. "Logan Knicks" has shown a persistent willingness to buy extra trades, and someday that might actually translate into enough extra points. And the next group of teams aren't out of it either. But given my limited attention span, my primary focus has been on the closest contender.
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| 89 | KTxGOD
ID: 560462423
Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 21:04
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How many being burned by Jason WIlliams? Both my teams have him....
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