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Subject: Ref & rfs' 20 team Yahoo League discussion
Posted by: rockafellerskank
- Sustainer [337443111] Wed, Oct 09, 2002, 12:15
To those of you who have received invitations via e-mail or AIM from me or Ref, here is the discussion thread for our upcoming league.....
First thing you should do is reply to the e-mail and express your interest as a "yes" or a "no"
There may be more than 20 responses from owners that want in [I invited much more thn 20]. If so, Ref and I will determine the participants based on your reputation as a Gurupie, previous finishes, Guru Patron status, and our gerneral personal opinion.
I hope to have all participants signed in and rules finalized by 10/18/02, so speak up if you want your $0.02 heard!
A few points:
1) Everything in league settings is still negotiable.
2) The difference in this league and others is the depth (20 teams). As you make comments, please keep in mind how your proposal(s) might affect a league like this. [IE starting 3 Centers would be an unrealistic request!]
3) The league settings below are just off the cuff. Specifically the topics that I would like input on are:
H2H VS rotisserie scoring?
daily moves or weekly moves?
voluntary prize pool paid to winners?
waiver time frame?
trade deadline date?
scoring categories.. too many?
draft date? time?
Roster size and positions?
League Settings
League ID#: 1213
Password: *********
Season: Full Season
Draft Type: Live
Draft Time: Saturday, October 26 at 1:40 pm MDT
Draft Status: predraft
Maximum Number of Teams: 20
Maximum Players on a Team: 12
Maximum Moves: No maximum
Maximum Trades: No maximum
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head League
Waiver Time: 1 days
Last Trade Date: Thursday, February 20
Trade Reject Time: 2 days
Roster Changes: Weekly on Monday
Starting Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, IL
Statistical Categories: Field Goals Made
Field Goal Percentage
Free Throws Made
Free Throw Percentage
3-point Shots Made
Points Scored
Offensive Rebounds
Total Rebounds
Assists
Steals
Blocked Shots
Turnovers
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| 115 | beebop
ID: 09361717
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 10:52
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Oooof, right in the middle. This is going to be interesting, ive never taken part in a draft with more than 12 ppl in it before.... Good luck to everyone.
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| 116 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 87192619
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 11:38
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#9--didn't move!
As long as I don't get stuck with "Breakfast Buffet" Kemp (aka "Rainfood") I'll be OK.
pd
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| 117 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 337443111
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 11:46
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Needless to say, landing @ #20, I didn't cheat! LOL
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| 118 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 87192619
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 11:49
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Same thing happened in my Yahoo hockey draft. First to sign up, then the "randomizer" put me last.
A fantasy sports widow must be running the randomizer...
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| 119 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 211013916
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 12:55
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I thought it was highest to lowest to see who goes first? :-)
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| 120 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 16:52
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RFS... quick, go edit the thread so that it says that...
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| 121 | Tosh
Donor
ID: 23650284
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 22:00
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Hmmm. I'll like having either Duncan or Garnett on my team (have I already shown my hand too early?), but I don't look forward to having to wait until #40! I wonder who will be left?
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| 122 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 439341814
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 22:10
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I think Dion Glover should fall that far.
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| 123 | Tosh
Donor
ID: 23650284
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 22:20
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Cool. I heard "The Glove" is a pretty good guard! ;-)
I just went to the site and re-sorted my pre-sort. I now have Shaq at #40, Kidd at #41, Webber at #80, and McGrady at #81. My team will be so dominent!!!
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| 124 | Tosh
Donor
ID: 23650284
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 22:29
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In all seriousness ... here is one strategy I am considering for the draft.
Since I do have to auto-draft, I am considering already bagging this year and begin planning for the next. I may just move a whole bunch of rookies and sophomores up on my sort, and either (a) I begin trading them away this year for a more established player, or (b) hope I actually get lucky and a few of the draftees work out.
I'm not sold on this strategy (I call it my Clipper plan) however. Any thoughts on the viability of this plan?
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| 125 | Ref
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 23:28
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I'm at pick number 3, I may consider movind down a little if someone wants to trade.
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| 126 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 211013916
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 00:27
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Haha Tosh, I was tempted to do the same as I was almost going to autodraft. Got "permission" from my wife this afternoon to chunk out that time frame next weekend (may still need to autodraft the first pick [UGH!] as I think one of the little Fluid kids is at a soccer game from 12:00 to 1:00). Its good to have a significant other who understands sports (she is a HS volleyball coach), although she doesn't get the fantasy sports thing.
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| 127 | Ref
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 00:58
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Now that we have our order, it'd be better if we didn't mention potential draftees names. I know that during the draft, you may not discuss undrafted players. If you're picking 14th and a guy has slipped and his name is mentioned before 13th slot goes and 13th takes him when 14th was waiting for him--that could change everything. The draft will be really fun, but it is super deep. All those that are in our 24 team football league can attest to that. It will be a lot of joking around and cutting up for the first several rounds then it will slow way down as you search for someone that can help you. It will be fun. I won't pre-rank. But I'll have a general idea of what I want to accomplish. I hope everyone enjoys the draft as much as I do.
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| 128 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 16:28
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RFS/Ref, was there any interest in a voluntary prize pool for the league? I'd be willing to contribute $10-$20 towards it...
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| 129 | Ref
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 23:40
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ksoze -- we asked the league about that early and there wasn't much discussion on it so we weren't sure if there was interest in it or not. I know it was very popular in football. If there is enough interest--perhaps we can reconsider--not sure about timing now though.
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| 130 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 4921123
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 04:04
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I'm willing to throw in a couple bucks for a prize pool.
The #2 Overall pick is on the trading block. Contact me with offers.
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| 131 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 337443111
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 14:35
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ksoze:
I'm going to send out an e-mail today asking who would be interested in a small optional prize pool.
Keep in mind, our league will qualify for a Guru Patron Prize and I will buy some type of small placque or trophy for the winner too.
Here are the parameters I'll suggest:
1) Entry is strictly voluntary
2) Entry Cost $15.00
3) MUST reply that you want "in" via post or e-mail by 10/26/02.
4) MUST make payment to me via Pay Pal or US Mail by 11/1/02.
5) Minimum 10 entries or we'll call off the prize pool.
6) Payout TBD, but will try to do something like this:
*Make playoffs top 6 and get $15.00 back.
*Remainder of pool money to go to 1st, 2nd and/or 3rd depending on number of entries.
*Obviously, final payouts will fluctuate based on how many owners participate (IE 10, 12, 13, or 20?)
* Any owner that doesn't make the response deadline (10/26/02) or payment deadline (11/1/02) will be refused entry into the prize pool and money will not be accepted.
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| 132 | Ref
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:13
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Thought about a prize for the consolation tourney too (7th place). Also a prize for Reg. season best record (before tourney starts).
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| 133 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 89321319
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:17
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I don't know that I'll be able to kick in for prize money, so I might be out-of-line to suggest this. However, that's never stopped me before: I suggest that if a team which did not kick in prize money finishes "in the money" that their share go to the Guru.
That way you can set the prize amounts without having to re-shuffle later.
pd
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| 134 | APerfect10
Leader
ID: 4921123
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:47
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I disagree with PD's suggestion. No time to defend myself, but...
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| 135 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 10:30
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So far 7 of 20 want to participate in an optional prize pool. Others?
PD, while I appreciate the suggestion, because this is optional, I think we'll keep the payouts limited to those that participate. All money in will be paid out @ 100% to the participants.
rfs
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| 136 | smoke
ID: 16937228
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 10:38
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rfs, I think it is hilarious that you formed such an elite league, and still involved twarpy. He is the biggest waste of a manager i have ever seen. Have you kept up with the chatroom tools draft? he didnt pick in like 4 days. good luck with him.
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| 137 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 11:40
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smoke, who are you?
have you ever considered that he forgot about your ultra-important league? Twarpy might not hang with you, but I know I talk to him often and he is on our A-list. I think it's pretty low for you to intrude into a thread where you don't belong to libel a person that most if not all feel very highly toward him.
Even if he wasn't the best fantasy player ever--which is not what I'm saying at all--he's still the Woodward and Bernstein of the boards. You know he single-handedly brought down Small World when he caught Moderator Mike cheating?!?! Perhaps you're too young for that ;) Now run along and go play. We promise we won't go inturrupting your recess.
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| 138 | ksoze
Sustainer
ID: 50643419
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 12:25
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Twarpy has an excellent reputation, has been posting to these boards for years and, if I recall correctly, stuck around for our entire 24 team football draft a month or two ago.
smoke is either a non-posting lurker (and not involved in either this or the chatroom tools draft) or a regular who, under a different ID to keep his anonymity, changed his name. Either way this childish flame of Twarpy holds no weight.
Feel free to grow a backbone, smoke.
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| 139 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 408391814
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 13:37
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Smoke do you ever think that maybe complications outside of my life might have played a role in my drafting in the Chatroom Tools draft?
First of all every single person in that draft knows me for at least 2+ years, and every single person was simply joking with me cause we've done about 20+ drafts with that same group and Im usually the one yelling that they aren't picking fast enough. So I guess I got whats coming to me in this draft.
I'd apologize if you were actually in that draft but you're not, so as an outsider looking into our draft please get the facts straight before posting something like this.
Thanks Ref and Keezer for backing me up.
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| 140 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 337443111
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 15:12
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There is no need to explain yourself Twarpy. You are in the league to provide comic relief! ;)
rfs ®
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| 141 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 408391814
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 15:39
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The truth comes out, now rfs why don't you act like youre a commish and process a trade in the football league;)
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| 142 | What about Bob-smoke
ID: 33958918
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 17:18
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Ok I confess it was just me trying to cause trouble again:-( Just me being my dumbass self. Surprised none of you caught it;-)
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| 143 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 337443111
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 17:23
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Twarpy, you dumbass....
....Cause the standings are all jacked up and I'm hoping that tonight's stats run clears things up. I'll approve the trade after that. i just don't want to do any more transactions until CBS fixes the existing problem (although I think I know what it is).
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| 144 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 3531815
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 14:51
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rfs, I decided to pay if we have enough. Bringing the total to at least 8.
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| 145 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 15:10
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There are 9 now. Not doing it unless there is at least half the league involved. So I guess that means if we get one more, I'll start working on payouts.
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| 146 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 15:14
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Actually, bmd, you make 10.
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| 147 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 15:25
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We have 10 YES responses: rfs, RSF, Ref, Twarpy, coldwater, ksoze, AP10, Peter N, Tosh, & bmd.
Ref: Can you start working out payout scenarios? 10? 12?
I'll send out a payment instruction e-mail which will include my mailing address (not gonna post it here) and Pay Pal instructions (will post it here). Send $15.00 via pay pal to rockafellerskank007@yahoo.com
To all: Remember, you must give a "YES" prior to draft day if you want in. It's not fair to let someone decide after they have seen their players. Of course, all the "YES" responses must pay by 11/1/02 or will be excluded too.
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| 148 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 15:35
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I will work out a scenario.
To those people not involved with football, here is what I try to do. First, it's not about the money--so I strive for no big payouts. I try to get the most people involved as possible. My philosophy is that if I can win back my investment--then it's a success, so anyone who makes the playoffs will at least get their investment back ($15). I also want to give the winner of the consolation tourney something too but can't commit yet with just 10 people in so far.
Also, the regular season best record should get something. I feel for the guy that has dominated all year then an injury or two knocks him out in the first round.
The most money will go to the champion then 2nd place then at least something for the consolation game (3rd place). I doubt that I have enough for 4-6th and 7th place would get less than $15--$10 at most.
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| 149 | Tosh
Donor
ID: 23650284
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 22:44
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LOL. Back in post 62 I asked, "But if around X-Mas, when Robert Pack is signed by Minnesota and immediately made a starter ... it's first come, first serve, correct?
From today's Pioneer Press ...
"McHale said he continues talk to the agent for Rod Strickland, who is available. But from there, the free-agent talent pool tails off to names like Doug Overton, Vonteego Cummings, and Robert Pack."
He's Back!
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| 150 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 298152019
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 00:25
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If we have a prize pool I think everyone that decides to participate should have to participate every year until the league is over. Also, those that do not participate can't participate in following years. This will keep a team that isn't paying this year from stocking up on young talent and waiting for the right time to pay for the prize pool.
I just thought I'd throw that out so we can lay down the rules about the prize pool for the years to come. Personally I wish everyone would participate but I guess that isn't feasible.
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| 151 | beebop
ID: 09361717
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 00:52
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Im thinking of joining the prize pool. Ive just got to see if i can get $30 together and send it over.
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| 152 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 38832322
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 01:10
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Great beebop! Just be sure to ship the first $15 to rockafellerskank and the extra $15 to me, OK. :-)
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| 153 | beebop
ID: 09361717
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 01:11
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Im in Australia, so with the exchange rate, its about $30.
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| 154 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 38832322
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 01:14
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Ah...the yolks on me then.
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| 155 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 17:14
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I've got the breakdown for 10 person league assuming all of them make the playoffs or win money. I'm hoping for at least 12 as I don't like the current numbers much. Also, have to refigure for the people who will win that aren't in the prizes.
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| 156 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:38
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beebop makes #11.
CCRider makes #12.
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| 157 | skinneej
Sustainer
ID: 40625911
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 22:38
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OK, I had my arm twisted, I'm in. Actually I figure looking at the managers that I'm a shoo in to win my money back!! ;)
BTW I like bmd's idea that to be included in the money pool for the 3 years, you have to put money up each year.
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| 158 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 298152019
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 00:31
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Rfs or Ref, did you guys read my post? I was just wondering what the rules regarding the prize pool were.
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| 159 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 01:02
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bmd,
Sorry for no reply ....
While I'd like owners to committ to participate for 2,3,4+ tears at a minimum, the reality of getting it done isn't very good. I don't think I can require it.
Since many owners said "yes" already, it's not fair to tell them that they just signed up for 3 years. What if an owner drops out after year 1, does the buyer of his team have to pay? Or is he prevented from paying? Such logistic problems to manage.
Also, with 20 teams, I think it's going to be about impossible for anyone to hoard young talent regardless of their motives. Even if someone tried, I think it would be a bit unrealistic to think they could do this for 1,2,3 three years to win $50.00 +/- in the 2005-2006 season! These 20 owners are too good for that.
Frankly, getting this entire thing together was not just a snap. Ref and I undertook an even bigger league in football. This one was approached to some exent with a "keep it simple" approach because of the amount of work and tracking and recruiting and rules setting, and money collecting and trophy buying and money paying and then I gotta draft my team!
While I woud lie to say your idea can be implemented, it's more work than I am willing to undertake. Also, my goa was quality owners as opposed to money. That's why we made it optional to begin with. I'd rather play with these 20 guys for bragging rights than play with 20 boneheads for money.
Ref: "Hey, rfs, stop rambling, man!"
rfs: "D'Oh!"
rfs ®
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| 160 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 01:05
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.. and skinneej makes #13!
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| 161 | rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 01:11
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Oh, but I appreaciate the input, bmd. I really do! I'd much rather be open to suggestions early in the process than closed minded later on.
To add on to my explanation, what would I do if an owner refused to pay in year 2? Kick them out? I don't want to have to "enforce" a rule like that!
Besides, After I win this year, I want you to have a chance to save your $15 next year! ;) Just like WPFB baseball, right? NOT!!!!
Did someone jsut kick off the trash talking?
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| 162 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 11:02
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We're not doing this to try to win a ton of money. This is strictly voluntary--a side venture to make this game more interesting for some. If it was part of the mandatory rules then it would have been in the rules before we asked people whether they wanted to play or not. I, too, appreciate the input, but it's voluntary.
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| 163 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 298152019
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 13:07
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I agree with what you guys are saying about the money. The only thing I was worried about was somebody drafting a team with all young players and not paying this year but deciding to pay in the future. The more I think about it though, anybody playing is not playing for the money but for the competition. I know the main reason I'm paying is so I can make myself stay interested and competitive.
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| 164 | Ref
ID: 28045169
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 13:19
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bmd, exactly. People with a little money involved tend to stay interested and competitive and don't "chuck" their team if they start off bad.
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