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0 Subject: RIHC - Draft Rationales

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sat, Oct 11, 2003, 14:48

This thread will be for managers in the RotoGuru Invitational Hoops Challenge to provide the rationale for each pick.

Lets start with the following ground rules:
1. Only managers in this league should post here. If you want to provide feedback (either from other league managers, or from those not in the league), put it in the discussion thread. (Non-conforming discussion in this thread will probably get deleted.)

2. Try to keep the pick rationales in the same order as the draft. We'll attempt to keep this thread about 2 rounds behind the actual draft. With the lag, most comments should not have an impact on the draft in progress. However, if there are aspects of your pick that you feel need to be kept under wraps, feel free to protect that information.

3. Once the draft is over, each manager is also encouraged to provide a general draft recap, at which time you can discuss your overall strategy, mention any undisclosed factors, comment on what worked out well and what didn't, etc.

I'll copy the initial discussion from coldwater coyote's #1 pick into the first slot, and then Doug can take it from there.
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57Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 11:57
5.08 Eric Snow, G, Phi
I was really hoping for Kenyon Martin here, but he got snatched away two picks earlier. While I'm still weak in board crashers and shot blockers, I didn't think that any of the other rebounders were worth a 5th round pick.. Snow was one of the best players available, and it doesn't hurt to grab another point guard at this juncture, as they are getting more and more scarce. He won't score much, but the addition of Glenn Robinson should give him someone other than Iverson to pass to. He'll also contribute good support in steals and FT%, the latter category which will need the support once I start nabbing some big men.
58blackjackis21
Leader
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 11:59
5.09 Doug Christie, G, Sac
At this point in the draft, I was looking for the best all-around player. I was a little surprised and quite happy that Christie was still available. While certainly no spring chicken, I feel he will continue to get significant minutes for the Kings and contribute in many different categories. Others I considered at this point were Finley and Malone.
59philflyboy
Leader
ID: 407561421
Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 12:24
5.10 Michael Finley,GF,Dal
Bibby, Odom and Finley were the 3 I was looking at for this slot. I missed the other 2 by a few picks so I was happy to go with Finley. He should average close to 20ppg again this year and is a pretty good rebounder. Finley helps with his FT% and his GF eligibility.
61lionprideguy
Sustainer
ID: 289471616
Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 14:37
5.11 Nick Van Exel, G, GSW

A pick that isn't looking so great a week later, so definately proceed with caution to anybody who is looking at Van Exel at the moment. This pick was made a day before he injured his knee, which of course would have made a difference in my decision. Since then, Van Exel has left the team to consult with his doctor in Dallas who did his last surgery, and it's still up in the air a week later. Dr. Van Exel said it would likely be a minor surgery that kept him out 3-4 weeks, but I'd like to hear from a professional doctor for a more reliable opinion.

At the time, it sounded like things were going well for Van Exel at least temporarily in Golden State. While he probably fell this far because of the risk of a trade that would send him to a contender, those things had died down at the time and he was at least putting up a front that he was happy to play this year in Golden State, so I was expecting 18 points and 7 assists from him, definately helping my assist numbers. We'll see now.

This was the point in the draft where the lists of players to consider definately expands, and I thought about everybody from Carmelo to Richard Jefferson to Jason Richardson to Tony Parker and Nene. My final 5 were Van Exel, Maggette, Jamison, Artest, and Karl Malone. Artest was probably the closest, and I was hoping I could survive Rand's two picks and still grab him. Maggette and Jamison didn't get enough categories across the board for me, and I figured Van Exel had the greatest potential for a lot of stats this year. It was a gamble, but I figured even if he was traded he would still get more time and opportunities than he did in Dallas. Either way his stats would increase, and the potential payoffs made it seem like a decent risk at the time
62Rand
Donor
ID: 339221320
Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 17:50
5.12 Zydrunas Ilgauskas

I almost didn't pick him because his name is so freakin' difficult to spell, but I couldn't overlook those great point totals for a center and his 2 blocks per game. Of course, he is an injury risk and his FG% and Boards are not that great for a center, but I'm hoping his Rebound totals will increase as he picks up all the shots that Lebron misses. I knew I wanted a center with this 60th pick, and the choice came down to Z and Jamaal. Combined they make one great center though, so I simplified my decision and just took both of them. I figured most or all of the 2nd tier centers would be gone by the time my 7.12 pick rolled around so I thought I'd lock down this position with two quality guys.

6.01 Jamaal Magloire

I love this guy, and it's not just because he's Canadian. I'm confident that Magloire will see major improvements in all his numbers as he becomes THE man in the middle for New Orleans. His offence leaves something to be desired, but it has increased slightly every year and this year could be the one where he pulls it all together. I don't actually have him ranked this high, but he's a slamdunk for nightly double doubles and I just couldn't pass up on a canuck.

If Finley had fallen to this point, I probably would have grabbed him. Artest was the only other available guy to catch my fancy, but he's a loose cannon and, besides, I truly believe Jamaal is gonna rock this season and I'm gonna enjoy ever minute cheering on my homie and his monstrous wingspan.
63blackjackis21
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 10:14
6.02 Karl Malone, F, LAL
I kept looking for guys that would be able to help overcome Walker's shooting % deficiencies. When Malone was still available at lionprideguy's pick, I decided to try to alleviate that problem and make an offer of Walker and 6.04 for Redd and 6.02. I knew that he had an interest in A. Walker and I figured this helped me two-fold: I improved on Walker's %'s with Redd, without sacrificing 3's, and I was able to get Malone, who I feel will benefit most of all the Lakers if Kobe is unable to go for whatever reason. I feel this trade improves my team quite a bit, especially if Redd can get significant minutes in Milwaukee.

Malone was my only consideration.
64philflyboy
Leader
ID: 407561421
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:23
6.03 Tony Parker,G,SA
At this point in the draft I felt I was really short in assists. After looking over the players still available I felt that Parker was the best person left for me to pick. He will score some for me (16ppg) decent assist (6pg). He gets some steals. Shooting percentages are not great but he should be ok.
65lionprideguy
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:39
6.04 Ron Artest, G/F, Ind
I had been pretty set on this pick from the moment I took Van Exel at 5.11, hoping Artest would still be around and even regretting a bit not taking him in the first place. If he had been taken, I would have considered the same players I had as finalists at 5.11 (Karl Malone, Maggette, and Carmelo Anthony). When the possibility came up for the Antoine Walker trade, my only concern was whether I could survive waiting two more slots to still get Artest. I thought it was a risk, but at the time I also thought Antoine was going to get 40+ minutes and lots of touches every game. Of course, that's all up in the air now, but at the time it was a move I wanted to make, and I'm glad I was at least able to still grab Artest.

Artest of course is a risk with his volatility, but maybe I'm overly optimistic in thinking that he might start to be a little more mature this year. Not because of his new coach, but simply because he's a competitor and wants to play all the time. And if nothing else, he will realize that when he's suspended or ejected, he can't be on the court anymore, and will learn to stop short of that line more often. He played large portions of last season with a broken finger or something like that, which means his stats were held down a bit. While his great defensive abilities don't show up in the box score, it does ensure him to get possibly the most minutes of any player on the Pacers and so he has more time to fill up the other categories. He's a diverse player who can hit 3's and will be near the league lead in steals, but also pick up rebounds and blocks as well. Of course, Ron Artest also claims he could average 40 points and 20 rebounds a night if he wants. So either he's still pretty nuts, or I'm in for the fantasy steal of the year. While I tend to lean more toward the "he's crazy" side of that possibility, I felt like he was a great steal in the 6th round.

With our rosters starting to take more shape by this time, I thought Artest combined with Iverson and Crawford could give me a solid chance to take over the steals category, and when you add in Walker and Van Exel, a good chance at the 3's as well.

66Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:43
6.05 Richard Jefferson, F, NJ
Jefferson wasn't an obvious pick, but he offers reasonable stats in many categories. At only age 23, he should still be improving each year. It would be nice if he got a few more treys, but maybe that explains his above average FG% - he just doesn't shoot much from long range. Jeff had occasional flashes of "studliness" last season, and I'm hoping that those episodes increase in regularity this year.

A healthy Wally Szczerbiak might have beaten out Jefferson for this pick, but his foot problems seem to be persistent, and it's also uncertain how the personnel changes in Minnesota will shake out. Kerry Kittles was another one I considered.
67rockafellerskank
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:49
6.06 Troy Murphy, F, GS
Ok, now I'm screwed for a while at C - though Nene was a reach at this slot.

This was pretty easy pick for me. Murphy should be a solid 15/10 guy this year assuming he picks up a few of Jamison's shots. A mid 40's fg% and mid 80's ft% were good enough for me for a big guy at this point too.

I didn't vary much from my initial reaction that Murphy was my pick at this point. But, I don't have another pick until 7.7. At this point, I'm worried that a lot of talent is moving off the board, but what can I do?

68ukula
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:49
6.07 Corey Maggette, G/F, LAC
Was thrilled to snag Maggette here. Apparently his role is going to increase on the Clippers with the loss of Odom. I'm expecting much better numbers than last year in all categories.
69hoopsklyce
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:50
6.08 Richard Hamilton, G/F, Det
Boy I was hoping I would not feel obligated to take Hamilton since I felt I did not need his main asset of scoring. But I felt we was clearly the best player on board at this time. I also did not think I needed to pick another guard. To think he would have trade value to exchange for another category would be wishful thinking since he lasted so long on the draft board. He may be the last 20+ ppg to be taken in this draft. His is like Allan Houston without the dimension of treys and not quite as good at the %'s.
70Swish and Edgar
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:51
6.09 Carmelo Anthony, F, Den
Believe it or not, this was the round we targeted to get Carmelo, so for him to be there at this stage made it a much easier decision. Carmelo will be the #1 option in Denver, and should score at least 15 PPG, although we're hoping for somewhere around 20 PPG. The main point for us here was to get some more heavy duty scoring on board to allow us to concentrate on other categories. We didn't know what to expect from him rebounding wise, but allowed for 6 rpg at worst. He gives us respectable percentages, and some 3s and steals too.

We looked at Jamison and Richardson here also. Jamison does not have any upside compared to being in Golden State last year. And the newly created Antoine Walker factor also seems to indicate it was the right decision to leave him here at the point. Is this Richardson's year? We weren't willing to gamble 40% FG to find out, especially with JWill already on board.

71Dave R
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:52
6.10 Nene Hilario, F/C, Den
I like the fact that Nene contributes in a multitude of categories, much like Kiri. At this juncture I felt he was the best fit for my team. In addition, being center eligible he solved my center problem in the event no one else materialized.
72Doug
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:56
6.11 Keith Van Horn, F, NY
I thought about Jamison here as "Dirk insurance"... I was concerned that he has had back spasms lately, but on the other hand he played 82 games the past 2 seasons. I really needed Gs at this point, but there had been a lot of Gs going earlier than their equivalent F counterparts (IMHO), so I decided to stick with best player available strategy. If the Consonant's plantar fascitis weren't a concern, I would have taken him here. Also considered Boozer, but seemed a bit more of a reach.
73coldwater coyotes
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:57
6.12 Jason Richardson, G, GS
I needed help in the 3pt category and Jason Richardson was the obvious selection. Last year his numbers were good but below many "experts'" projections. He has the talent to improve and I predict that this year, his third year, he will show a clear improvement.

7.01 Kurt Thomas, F/C, NY
Lacking a second Center, Thomas stood out for me. While his results are more typical of a PF than a C (specially in respect to blocks) they are nevertheless better all round than all but the top five centers. I feel that his availability in this 7th round reflects a reluctance by many people to draft Knicks.

74Doug
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:58
7.02 Zach Randolph, F, Por
When I made pick 6.11, I thought I might get lucky and have Jamison fall to me at 7.02. He did. But I second guessed myself again, and decided Zach was the better option. I looked at a few additional Gs (Bonzi, Spree, M. Miller, Tinsley) and even another C (B Miller)... but none seemed to have the same upside that was available by picking up Zach. I was really happy to get Lewis and Butler when I did, but I think this may have been my best pick in the draft thus far.
75Dave R
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:58
7.03 Cuttino Mobley, G, Hou
Time to go guard shopping and fely that Cuttino was the best available at this juncture. Can make the 3, but average in most categories. Despite being a streaky shooter his FG% is decent, FT% is more than acceptable.
76Swish and Edgar
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 12:59
7.04 Carlos Boozer, F/C, Cle
With Carlos, you know what you're getting - 10 boards and great percentages. Kinda like PJ Brown, but a whole lot younger. There may even be potential for a block and steal a game if he improves enough. And he is most definitely still improving. He fully addressed our needs for another prime rebounder. Somebody will need to rebound all those misses from Lebron and Ricky Davis. Carlos showed signs of becoming a great fantasy player last year when provided with the minutes. He will start this year so minutes will not be a big problem we think. Also we needed another C eligible player at this point and he was simply the best available. Again, Jamison was considered (we could not believe he was still here), but Boozer fits better than a good pair of shoes.
77hoopsklyce
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:00
7.05 Drew Gooden, F, Mem
I like Gooden's upside potential and hope he can make positive contributions to my rebound category. Last season he averaged over 12 rpg for the Magic in the playoffs. There may be some downside to him with the addition of Juwan Howard but I think each should spend some time at C for the Magic. Was hoping to get some blocks at this spot but those guys have been picked over.
78ukula
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:00
7.06 Brad Miller, C, Sac
I needed a center. All of the top centers were gone so I needed to grab someone while I could, otherwise I'd be left with a couple of schleps. Miller should get decent minutes while Webber is out and hopefully he can supplant the chain-smoking Divac by that time as well. Nice FT% for a center. One site actually had Miller ranked #5 for centers. I'll take that in round seven.
79rockafellerskank
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:02
7.07 Antawn Jamison, F, Dal
Ok, I know he is a ball hog and doesn't rebound well for a F and not sure how he will blend into Dallas, but since I have given up on C's, I'll force myself and take what I think is clearly the best available player (I had him at #60 overall). I did make a post that I would consider moving him if someone wanted his PPG, but no offers to date!

I'm expecting 18.0 ppg and 6.0 rebounds would be a blessing. Of course he doesn't pass, steal or block, but again, similar FG%/FT% to Murphy should help.
80Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:04
7.08 Bonzi Wells, G/F, Por
Here I am in the 7th round with no centers. I thought about taking one now, but I had to look too far down my ranking list to find one. So I'll stick to my "value" guns and not chase one.

The best healthy players on my list were Bonzi, Kittles, Derek Anderson, and Stephen Jackson. Of that group, I thought it was too early to go for Jackson, as he should last a few more rounds. Kittles had some injury problems last year which stunted his total stats, and I see that he is not getting picked until much later at ESPN, so I figured I could wait on him as well. He could be a tempting pick in round 8 or 9. That left the two players from Portland.

Bonzi is lobbying to play SG, and Mo Cheeks seems to be considering it. If so, Derek Anderson may be scrambling for minutes, although I suspect there are still plenty to go around. It sounds like Bonzi may be looked upon to score more this year, and we're running lean on scorers now. He gets his fair share of "hustle stats", and while his shooting percentages are a bit below par, I think I've built up the some room to absorb those. Comparatively, I can't really find much problem with Anderson's stat line, however. Call it a hunch. Maybe I just like the idea of having a player named "Bonzi".
81blackjackis21
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:05
7.09 P.J. Brown, F, NO
PJ strikes me as a perennially under-valued roto-player. He's not very flashy in any single category, but last year averaged close to a double/double with good shooting %'s from the field and from the stripe. Tough to get real excited about him, but I think he's a solid pick in the 7th round. Also considered Brian Grant at this point and would have taken him on the way back if available.
82philflyboy
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:06
7.10 Juwan Howard, F, Orl
Juwan will be playing Center this year also so he will become FC eligible. He offers a solid amount of points and rebounds per game and will be ok with assists from a big guy. In the past his shooting percentages have been ok. He should get a lot of quality minutes and be a productive player.
83lionprideguy
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:06
7.11 Mike Miller, G/F, Mem
Although I thought the draft would get easier by this time, it was actually the point where it began to get harder because there seemed to be less differentiation and so then the choices became less obvious. For example, somewhat interested in getting a second strong center and helping my rebounding numbers, this was the first point where Alonzo Mourning's name appeared on my radar. I would have taken Antawn Jamison at the time, and would have loved getting Zach Randolph or Nene but both were long gone.

Without an obvious choice standing above the others, this is actually where I decided to just get the best available player and figure out how to fit them together later. I've never been a great fan of Mike Miller, so this pick was made mostly on trust in Jerry West. West thought highly enough of Miller to trade his first round pick from last year for him, sign him to a huge extension, and talk about building this year's team around Miller. Without any better ideas myself, I thought I could at least take a chance on what Jerry is doing, if Miller really will be a center of the offense in Memphis. His numbers last year were depressed by an injury they now claim is 100%, and thought he would have gone higher if he had been healthy. I thought he could contribute solid FT% and 3's while throwing in 5+ rebounds and 3-4 assists, especially if he touches the ball every time down. With the contract and commitments West has made to him, I have to believe Memphis will give him every opportunity to have a breakout year. My other finalists were Keon Clark, Kwame, Desmond Mason, Darius Miles, and Nesterovic, each considered in case I wanted to make a jump in a specific category. In the end, I decided to go with who I believed was the most well-rounded instead.

84Rand
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:07
7.12 Latrell Sprewell, G/F, Min
This was a painful round for me as all the players I was hoping to acquire kept getting picked. Chose Sprewell to start working on my 3s. His 134 treys were pretty good last year, but most of his numbers seem off to me. Like all my players, I project a good improvement on his lousy .403 FG %. Although he is aging fast, I think Latrell is in the right place at the right time to have a great year with a very good team. I feel really good about getting Sprewell with my 84th pick.

8.01 Brian Grant, F/C, Mia
837 total rebounds, .509 fg%. Just couldn't pull my eyes away from those numbers. I see Grant as a PF on my team, but it's nice to have the C eligibility in case Zydrunas goes down (which is a very real possiblility). So it's nice to have that back up Center plan. I was really interested in Ginobili, and was sure he'd be gone in the next round of picks, but Grant supplied too many rebounds to pass on at this point. So I signed him up.

85lionprideguy
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:08
8.02 Kwame Brown, F/C, Was
After drafting so many guards and small forwards, I felt a bit more pressured at this point to make sure to get a big man who could hopefully get some rebounds and blocks. While he is sure from a far thing, Kwame seemed to have a much bigger potential for upside this year than the other options, mostly Keon Clark, Zo, and Nesterovic. Those three are either plateaued or somehow limited, while Brown is still growing and is in the best situation to leave them behind. The stories are pretty common about this being Kwame's chance to prove himself outside of Michael Jordan and Doug Collins, and I have to believe he has some kind of desire to prove himself after taking such a beating the last two years. Looking at the other low post players in Washington, I have to believe that Brown will at least get a huge increase in minutes this year and won't have much competition to keep him off the court. This also seems to be the year that Washington wants to see what they really have in him, so I think they'll center their post offense around him and give him every chance to succeed. He's definitely going to have some ups and downs, and I don't expect anything crazy like 18/12 from him, but I think 14/8 could be conservatively reasonable. Throw in the fact he's said to have grown to a full 7 feet, and that he's athletic and energetic, and he seems to get a good amount of steals as well as the expected blocks. It's his third year, the time that a lot of players out of high school either make the jump or they don't, and I think Kwame still has enough talent for this to be the year he begins to step up. This could also be a pick where I look really foolish.
86philflyboy
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:08
8.03 Alvin Williams, G, Tor
I needed some help with steals and assists. Alvin should help with both of those. He plays through injuries and should be a solid player. He did suffer with a lot of injuries last year but this year he should be relatively healthy. His shooting and free throw percentages are pretty good.
87blackjackis21
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:09
8.04 Keon Clark, F/C, Utah
This may have been a stretch, but I'm hopeful Keon will get enough minutes this year to help out in a few categories - namely blocks and rebounds. I don't think he has much competition among the big men in Utah, and the few times he started and got minutes last year, (and the year prior to that), he did well. Also considered with this pick were: Olowokandi, Szczerbiak, and Mourning.
88Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:10
8.05 Stromile Swift, F/C, Mem
Kittles was still available. Derek Anderson was still available. Stephen Jackson was still available. I had considered all three of them for my previous pick.

But I still had a donut roster, and finally there was a center-eligible player who seemed appropriately valued for an 8th round pick. So I took him.

Swift has never quite measured up to his purported potential, but he began to show some flashes during the second half of last season. After the All Star break, he average 12 ppg, with 6.7 boards, 1.7 blocks, .9 steals, 50.6%FG shooting, and 73.7% FT shooting. Granted, he still has to battle Lorenzen Wright for minutes. But Swift is only 23, and on the final year of his contract. If ever there was a time for him to put together an entire season, this would be the one.

Here's hoping that this year, the race belongs to the Swift.

89Doug
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:11
8.06 Wally Szczerbiak, G/F, Min
I know he's got an injury, I know there are some new scoring options in MIN, but at this point the risk/reward seemed just too good to pass up. And I needed to start drafting some Gs. Other guys considered were Wade, Tinsley, Mason and Kandi... but I figured it was time to roll the dice. Let's hope it pans out... because the last thing I need is G who's gonna be missing a lot of time.
90ukula
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:11
8.07 Michael Olowokandi, C
I might as well take my second center while he's still there. Olowokandi should put up decent numbers after leaving the depressing Clippers. Miller and Olowokandi give me a solid but unexciting duo at the center position, but a lot better than I was looking at two rounds ago. I'm happy with these two guys.
91hoopsklyce
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:12
8.08 Dwyane Wade, G, Mia
Although a rookie, Wade is not a teenager. He will be 21 (or so) next season. I have read that the starters should get heavy minutes for the Heat and Wade should be starting. I think he has the potential be play better than other players taken at this point in the draft. He was slowed by a sprained ankle in the preseason which hopefully took some attention away from him. In his first six preseason games he has averaged 2 spg and 1 bpg (for a guard!) so I am excited about his potential in these categories.
92Swish and Edgar
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:12
8.09 Emanuel Ginobili, G, SA
We are now hitting serious sleeper territory. It seemed the right time to take Gino here. If we waited any longer, we feel he would have gone. Although it might be a bit of a reach it could pay off big time. Having missed out on Crawford and Curry earlier on, we were keen to land a breakout guy on our list. Gino fits the bill. He should have good numbers across the board - 2 steals and 2 3s a game is not out of the question. No Stephen Jackson = big PT for Gino. Also it seems that Parker will be more of a scorer and some of the assists could go to Gino especially with his shown ability to play the inside and out with Duncan. We needed some Gs at this point, with the quality starting to deteriorate quickly, and the priority for the previous few rounds to nab some sterling Fs.
94Dave R
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:32
8.10 David Wesley, G, NO
Decided on Wesley for various reasons solid in 3's assists for a SG, and steals. Might see some time time at PG if Baron goes down.
95rockafellerskank
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:34
8.11 Kerry Kittles, G, NJ
Along the same lines of thinking as Guru in post 80, I'm not "reaching" yet for a center, although the idea of picking up Alonzo about this point was about where I though his value was/is. Kittles provides a decent all around game, but his health can be problematic. [This is an issue to keep in mind as I type this and look at my band aid brigade of a team]. Assuming Kittles can stay on the court, I like having 2 players on the same team for the purpose of enjoyment when I'm watching games - though this was an afterthought. Kittles should average 12-13 ppg, while getting 3-4 rebounds & assists per night. Throw in 1-2 steals, or 3's per night and I'm a happy guy. My FG% still stinks at this point and Kittles doesn't really shoot enough to help raise it (much), although he should be respectable.

Other than researching various centers at this slot, I didn't give much consideration to any other small player. I should mention that I would have taken Kandi had he fallen a few slots.

96coldwater coyotes
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:35
8.12 Desmond Mason, G/F, Mil
A good all round and exciting player. With the drastic changes in Milwaukee, I can envision Redd and Mason taking full advantage of the situation and stepping up a notch or two. I suspect that Tim Thomas will again disappoint and not make such an improvement.

9.01 Kenny Thomas, F, Phi
He completes my pair of K. Thomas'. A favorite of Larry Brown's who blossomed once he acclimatised to Philadelphia. Let's hope that Randy Ayers has the same faith. If he does then we should be looking at a nightly double double.

97rockafellerskank
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:35
9.02 Larry Hughes, G, Was
With the news of Stack's surgery leaking and Hughes early preseason burn, I put him on my radar. There was also talk that Stack would play SF to make room for Hughes at SG on WAS. I think perhaps I got too early on the gun for Larry though, could have gotten him a round later? Well, if he plays to his potential, I look good, if not I went too early. That's the same potential that guys like Larry Brown once banked upon, ya know! Good enough for Larry Brown, good enough for me.
98Dave R
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:36
9.03 Joe Johnson, G/F, Pho
A little bit of a reach here, has performed well last season and in the preseason. Banked on him beating out Penny as a starter which doesn't appear to be going to happen. Still he will get reasonable minutes and has the ability to help in a lot of areas.
99Swish and Edgar
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:36
9.04 Jamaal Tinsley, G, Ind
Everybody seemed to have been going for PG's the last couple of rounds and we were weak on the assist category. Tinsley seemed the only proven quality PG left. Jamaal did not have a stellar season last year, you could attribute this to the famous sophomore slump. His rookie year was excellent. We feel that he will be able to bounce back this year and his preseason performances have given us a slight indication he will. Sure, adding another 39% shooter hurts but he will gives us plenty of assists and steals to compensate. If he improves on his FG% a bit this could become a nice addition. Other players we considered here were Darius Miles and Shane Battier.
100hoopsklyce
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:37
9.05 Stephen Jackson, G/F, Atl
Jackson was at the top of my depth chart. I am optimistic about his prospects with Atlanta and assuming a larger role on this team than he had with the NBA champion Spurs. He is good in the steal category and will be a starter for the Hawks.
101ukula
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:38
9.06 Donyell Marshall, F, Chi
Even though Marshall will be coming off the bench this year, I'm expecting around 25 minutes per game and he usually bangs the rebounds. His free throw shooting has improved since his UConn days when he clanked two shots against Florida to send the Huskies packing. Jerk!
102Doug
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:38
9.07 Marcus Camby, C, Den
Early on in the draft I figured C's would be going earlier than they "should" because of their scarcity. I picked up a C who doesn't get many blocks early on... so I figured I'd probably just tank the block category altogether. However, at this point in the draft, my strategy suddenly changed. I saw Camby and a few other shot blockers I liked still available, and I had been able to draft a number of Fs so I actually was in reasonable shape in the blocks category. Assists, on the other hand, were looking bleak... I needed a second PG to go with Andre Miller, but really didn't see any that I liked. So this was the beginning of a shift in my strategy to tank assists rather than blocks, and thus began my thoughts to trade away Andre Miller...
103Guru
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:40
9.08 Radoslav Nesterovic, C, SA
This was my mist difficult pick yet. This is pick #104, and that's where I have Nesto rated - #104. There are a fair number of higher rated players still available, but every time I set out to pick one of them, I found a reason to talk myself out of it. Players that I considered included Derek Anderson, Antonio McDyess, Damon Stoudamire, Bobby Jackson, Malik Rose, Shane Battier, T.J. Ford, Alonzo Mourning. In the end, I couldn't get comfortable with the risk/reward tradeoff of any of them. Meanwhile, I feel pretty comfortable that Nesterovic will provide about 12 points, 7 boards, and 1.5 blocks, 50% FG, and hopefully won't torpedo my FT%. I'll take my gambles later, I guess.
104blackjackis21
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:41
9.09 Alonzo Mourning, C, NJ
Because I drafted guards with 3 of my first 5 picks, I was still looking for F's or C's. I had considered 'Zo the prior round, but still was not entirely decided on this pick when it came to me. Obviously a huge question mark, but the news out of New Jersey sounds promising. In the end, I thought there was enough of a drop-off at C after 'Zo to make him worth nabbing.
105philflyboy
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:41
9.10 Marko Jaric, G/F, LAC
Marko will be taking over the point since Andre is gone. He is a good shooter, can hit the 3 and can see the floor well for assists. With his speed he should be able to average over 1.5 steals per game also. This might have been a little early for Marko to be picked but With a couple of my earlier picks struggling with injuries I needed to make sure I had enough guards to play.
106lionprideguy
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:41
9.11 Darius Miles, G/F, Cle
I got burned more by Miles than any other player in last year's TSN game, so I was especially hesitant to pull the trigger on this one. Last season, I held firm for over a month I think, while he never came close to contributing anything near what he had done in the preseason.

However, Miles is like Odom for me, and continues to be tempting despite past disappointments because of the great promise and talent. Like a lesser version of Odom or Antoine Walker, Miles can get everything from rebounds to assists to steals and blocks, but can't shoot at all. Yes, I have a weakness for this kind of player. What especially intrigued me was the experiment this preseason of Miles playing point guard for the Cavs. While I'm not sure I like this from a basketball perspective (just as I wouldn't put Antoine Walker at Point Forward), but despite what it does to the team's W/L record it certainly makes for great roto stats potential. I was also able to watch one of the Cavs preseason games on TV when they played in LA, and I was actually impressed with Miles playing a bit smarter and having a far more improved jumpshot than I ever thought he could get to. He still spent way too much time standing around and watching when he didn't have the ball, but maybe he can get assists passing to all of LeBron and Ricky Davis' shots, and then pick up extra rebounds from the many they will miss. Since I had considered drafting him as early as 7.11, I thought I would be best off just doing it now and not regretting a missed opportunity later.

107Rand
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Tue, Oct 21, 2003, 13:42
9.12 Tim Thomas, F, Mil
No pre-season numbers to go by, but Tim Thomas is a talented young Buck, who has the 'potential' to be something special. I think he should provide sufficient numbers in many Cats and could be poised for a breakout season. I gotta believe (since I picked the stiff) that with the Big Three gone, Tim Thomas has a fantastic opportunity to shine.
160Guru
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