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0 Subject: RIHC - Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Doug
- Sustainer [31649212] Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 17:35

Draft Picks
Draft Discussion
Draft Pick Rationales (Round 1-9)
Draft Pick Rationales (Round 10-15)
Overall Draft Review/Recap/Reactions

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138Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Wed, Jan 28, 2004, 05:44
Another (pending) trade of note... Vince Carter for Ron Artest. If you look at their last month averages, their stat lines are remarkably similar. I'm expecting Artest will mainly improve my FG% and Steals compared to Vinsanity. I'm giving up some assists (which I don't care about) and also some FT% (where I'm already strong enough and it's not like Artest is a wannabe Shaq)... but the main loss for me in this trade are Vince's potential points... lately he's only been averaging about the same as Artest, but I think if any of us had to bet on who would score more points the rest of the way, we'd see a lot of bets on Carter.

Both players also carry a little baggage... Carter seems slightly injury prone, but Artest seems more prone to suspensions.

Anyway, hopefully a trade that helps both teams... we had been discussing it and variations on it for a couple weeks (pending Carter's return from minor injury) and none of the other multiple-player variations seemed to make as much sense for both sides as the straight-up swap which we submitted to the site tonight.
139lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Wed, Jan 28, 2004, 22:58
My thoughts on the Artest/Carter deal: Doug is right that their stat lines over the last month are incredibly similar, but each might hopefully be more valuable to their new teams. Artest's greatest benefit, other than his ability to contribute in just about every category, is his place among the top of the league in steals. With the return of Iverson and Derek Anderson, I felt like they could make up for what I'd be giving away in steals. Meanwhile, Vince's worst category is FG%, but with Iverson, Walker, and Crawford already, I'm pretty much shot in that category so he can't hurt me as much. Already carrying Al Harrington and Jermaine O'Neal, I liked the opportunity to diversify a bit. Carter's always a risk, but I still want to move up a few spots in the standings and I wasn't going to do it by standing pat.

140 blackjackis21
      Leader
      ID: 34837521
      Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 13:08
Any RIHC'ers/Belly'ers interested in a Yahoo baseball league? I know many of you are in plenty of leagues already, but if anyone's interested, I'd love to put together some kind of competitive league.

Haven't given it much thought, but would prefer enough teams/positions to make the waiver wire fairly slim pickings. I'd be open to H2H or roto, maybe with a slight prefernce to H2H. Maybe standard 5X5, non-keeper - everything's open to discussion.

If interested, send me an e-mail. I'll start a thread for discussion if it looks like there's enough interest.

Feel free to suggest a league name too, for that matter.
141Doug
      ID: 31649212
      Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 17:08
I find it somewhat amusing that both Carter and Artest suffer multiple-week injuries so shortly after our trade!!!
142Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:34
Rand Can you please get back to me asap about what we were talking about a few days ago. I've sent you a couple of emails already.
143Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:44
Just a reminder that our last trade date is Thursday, March 4.
144Rand
      Donor
      ID: 83231216
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 11:38
Swish, email sent, sorry for the delay.
145Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:16
I smell a trade brewing
146rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 20:32
Finally Webber back for me tonight. I was only off by 2.5 full months in my expectations (8 game suspensiondidn't help). Making him a high 3rd round pick was certainly not a great move on my part. I realize injuries are part of the game, but Webber, Murphy, and to some extent DC, Hughes and Ford have hurt me for a lot of missed player games.

Add those injuries to the fact that I've been hurt by NBA trades. Jamison, RD, AD, and Junk Yard all have been less effective because they weere traded and used differently than my projections.

All that being said, I think I hve an outside shot of finishing as high as 8th if I get healthy and hot. Maybe that will be good enough to earn me a "sympathy spot" in RIHC next year.

147rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 20:37
I might be open to moving Webber for 2 legit players I can start. I may be floating some offers out there to those that might be able to use him. Not gonna make this a fire sale, but it might make sense for me.
148Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:42
Edgar and I are also looking to get something done before the deadline. We are willing to shop TMac and Carmelo (among others) to get what we're after. We still think we have a shot at the podium, so expect, and be ready to respond to a deal coming your way soon!
149Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 18:13
philflyboy We've proposed you a trade that's been sitting there for most of the day now, well in the UK it has anyway. Please get in touch urgently when you get this. Hopefully we can still work something out before the deadline expires.

Did someone say frantic? :)
150Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:11
In the only trade on deadline day, Edgar and I dealt Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh to Rand for Zydraunus Ilgauskaus and Joe Smith. For a few weeks now, we've been trying to isolate which cats we can do well in with only around 20 games left; blocks and rebounds being the main ones. This trade reflects these needs. Z has been great lately, blocking shots like a crazy man over the last half dozen games or so. We also get a few more rebounds from him than Melo was providing. I have to say that it was really tough to give up Carmelo with him being so hot of late, but with games running out, this was the best deal we could make to improve our overall position. The Smith for Bosh part of the deal was really just a like for like swap to give Rand the replacement at C he was looking for.

Being honest, I am a little disappointed we weren't able to cut a deal to get another top tier big man. If we had managed that, i would have really liked our chances of chasing down 2nd place. With what we have, the rebounds chase will be very tight, and there was a lot of block point potential if we had managed to snag an AK47, Wallace or Brand type shot blocker on top of Z. Still, the deal we made makes things interesting and gives us a chance for upwards progression, so we're pretty happy on the whole.
151Rand
      Donor
      ID: 83231216
      Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 00:18
I wasn't too sure about this trade, but Swish/Edgar really really wanted something to happen and I eventually couldn't say no. Originally, they offered me TMac for Brand, which was awesome but I just can't couldn't part with Elton Brand. Then Melo for Zydranus, which I was planning to reject, but then they came back with Melo/Bosh for Z/Smith and it started to look inviting. I crunched the numbers and couldn't come up with anything conclusive as to whether this trade will actually benifit me in any way. I don't know if I can possibly catch the 5th place team at this point, but I could lose ground to guru/blackjack.

Part of me thought it wiser to just stay with what was working OK so far and not rock the boat, but then I decided it would be interesting to add some young spark to my team and see what transpires. Lebron/Carmelo/Bosh all on the same team should be fun to watch. Of course, Z had a huge night tonight and Joe Smith is back with a double double and Anthony sucked big time. ah well:)
152blackjackis21
      Leader
      ID: 34837521
      Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 07:54
[whine]With Kobe out again and Malone sounding like he's still out for awhile, I don't think anyone needs to worry about me gaining on them.[/whine]

replace []'s with <>'s.
153Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 12:34
Well Rand, i'm glad we managed to work something out in the end. The truth is that i had totally forgotten about the deadline until Guru mentioned it in this thread. What ensued was a crazy few days of us desperately trying to negotiate a trade that could help us. I never thought it would be so difficult to offload TMac! It was just unfortunate that the teams containing the players we were looking for did not require, or want, to chase cats that he helps with. Very frustrating indeed.

I guess it just goes to show the quality and savvy of our fellow managers in this league. This is by far the most serious Yahoo league i've been involved with, and continues to be a great experience.
154lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 04:31
Sorry I've been away without computer access for about a week now, but luckily I didn't miss anybody trying to get ahold of me for a deadline deal. Probably best that I was away and not thinking about trades to save me from myself!

Doug, I did laugh last week when, even funnier, both Artest and Carter even returned from their injuries on the same night! So I'm glad it's a wash so neither side gets a rough break.

Unfortunately I left Santa Clara this afternoon and didn't get to stick around for the crazy Santa Clara-Gonzaga game tonight ... great environment for a great game though, at least landed in time to see the second half on TV.
155Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Wed, Mar 10, 2004, 02:12
LPG - That was rather amusing when Carter/ Artest returned the same night. And tonight they went head to head and both posted very solid, similar lines... lol. They must be monitoriing RIHC. =-) You live in this area, or just visiting (I'm in Palo Alto)? If you or any other RotoGuru folks are around, I'd be happy to meet up for a beer. catch a game, etc...

Swish/Edgar... I'd send email about this, but I don't know your address. I offered you a trade of KVH and Reggie Miller for Amare and Manu a bit over a week ago, and you got real upset in your reply, accusing me of offering an unfair trade. It's one thing if you don't like the trade, but I didn't appreciate the accusation. I thought it was a good deal for both teams, but it seemed you were not interested in the categories that I thought you would be (FT% and 3P in particular).

Since March 2 (when it presumably would have executed), my duo vs. your duo:
15.25 to 16.17 PPG
3.50 to 6.50 RPG
2.75 to 2.17 APG
0.63 to 1.50 SPG
0.50 to 0.67 BPG
2.13 to 0.17 3PG
0.49 to 0.56 FG%
0.95 to 0.83 FT%

So again, I don't know how you perceived this trade to be so wildly unfair. Undesirable? Perhaps... depends on your team goals in various categories. You were going a different direction with your team than I thought you would, and that's fine. But unfair? I think not, and I certainly don't appreciate the implication.
156Edgar
      ID: 30214100
      Wed, Mar 10, 2004, 10:43
Doug you are right that this is not what we wanted, and that we were a little offended. Amare has been a top fantasy player lately and we did not want to lose him. We have a lot to win in the FG, reb and blocking deptments, where we can move up. Not much to win in 3pts and fts, so that is why. And we only gain something in those cats (other than assists where we already have plenty of players). So we do not want to accuse you of anything, it just did not look like a good deal at all. No harm intended.
157hoopsklyce
      ID: 52401120
      Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 21:40
Hey - I am suprised no one has demanded Net Damage and HoopsKlyce provide analysis of our blockbuster Drew Gooden for L. Barbosa Deal!
158lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Fri, Mar 12, 2004, 04:27
Haha - Hoopsklyce, a few weeks later and I still think we can both be proud that we don't have to worry about giving up anything of too much value!

Doug, thanks for the offer, I would have loved to take you up on it but I'm afraid I'm back in Southern California again now. I was visiting Santa Clara for the WCC basketball tournament for a few days but didn't stick around for the Gonzaga/SMC final on Monday night. I was up in Palo Alto in October, though, for a weekend of soccer and water polo games at Stanford during the first few rounds of the RIHC Draft. Somehow I have to find a way use that long road trip as an excuse for getting really confused and drafting Nick Van Exel in the 5th round, I think that already holds the distinction of the highest drafted player to get cut from any of our teams!
159Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Sat, Mar 13, 2004, 13:50
Nice try LPG... you took Nick the (not so) Quick at 5.11, but I took Caron Butler at 5.07!!! Talk about disappointment. My only other mid-round pick that didn't work out was 8.06, Wally the Consonant.

Still, I don't have the dishonour of highest pick to be dropped... I believe Guru won that slot by drafting Harpring at 4.05 (tough break!)

Fortunately the rest of my early and mid-round picks were pretty solid... especially Peja at 2.11

I just wish I would have taken KG instead of Dirk at #2! But I thought the C-eligibility was worth it at the time.
160Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 13, 2004, 14:16
Just a heads up: I started a RIHC Retrospective thread for your reflections on the entire RIHC experience.
161blackjackis21
      Leader
      ID: 34837521
      Thu, Mar 25, 2004, 11:41
Wow Rand, I doubted it when you posted it (didn't think I'd get there), but it does indeed look to be a dogfight for sixth the rest of the way. Looking forward to it - good luck!

Brand's underperformance has been bitter-sweet - I think I have him on about 3 other teams...
162Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 26, 2004, 12:09
Here are my thoughts about next year's league.

I'll probably stick with 12 teams again. For Hoops, I think that works well.

The top 6 RIHC teams will automatically be invited for next year. However, since it looks like I'll finish around 8th (hopefully no worse, but that is not yet certain, I'll invite everyone who beats me. Based on the current standings, that would be 7 teams plus me. (Thankfully, I'm exempt from being dumped! It's nice to make the rules.)

I believe there are 2 qualifying leagues, and I'll take the winner from each of those 2. That brings the total to 10 teams.

For the remaining two spots, I plan to survey the continuing managers for their thoughts. The choices are some combination of:
1. Invite back one or two of the lower finishing managers. This would be justified if you feel that one or two of those teams were inordinately impacted by unforseen injury problems.

2. Invite two others from the qualifying leagues. This might be the 2nd place finishers of each league, for example.

3. Invite someone else. I can't think of who that might be, but perhaps one of you has a logical suggestion.

I won't start surveying anyone until after the season is over and we know exactly who the automatic qualifiers are. At that point, I'll probbaly ask for your recommendations in private, so that you can be frank, rather than polite. I only raise this possibility now so that you can begin to think about the alternatives.

Sound like a plan? I'd like to take care of this in late April or early May.
163ukula
      ID: 1631119
      Thu, Apr 01, 2004, 10:11
The collapse continues......

About a month ago I was in a virtual tie with Sanfordors based on per game averages. I was looking forward to battling it out over the final month - that is until my team was RAVAGED by injuries. Almost every starter I have has lost significant time due to injuries, Kenyon Martin, Baron Davis, Quentin Richardson, Corey Maggette, Alan Houston, Brad Miller, Jeff McInnis, and now Pau Gasol is hurting. Yikes! My team has dropped from 2nd to 7th in just about two weeks! Oh well, time to sign some garbage players to try to fill out the season.
164Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 01, 2004, 10:41
garbage players is certainly an apt term, too...
165Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 14:34
We're down to the last three days. While Dave R has had the top spot locked up for some time, there are still some tight battles going down to the wire. In particular, Coldwater Coyotes has made a remarkable run at me in the past few weeks, and we're now in a virtual dead heat that could easily go either way.

As I reiterated in [162], the top 6 teams will get invited back for next year. And if Coldwater Coyotes can finish ahead of me, I'll give him a special "Commissioner's invitation" for his strong performance down the stretch.

I must say, though, that I'm put off by ukula's lack of attention during the late game. He'll probably manage to remain ahead of me, but just barely. By outward appearances, his team has been effectively unmanaged, with IL players still in active slots, and active players on his bench. This not only hurts his relative performance, obviously, but is also disrespectful to other teams in the league whose relative standings may have been impacted, for better or worse, by his lack of attention. I realize that a great deal of his decline in the standings is a result of a rash of injuries. But even so, I'm disappointed with the non-effort down the stretch. And a top 6 finish (or better) seems like it could still have been attained with some effort in. He's likely to end up 75 games short of the max! Meanwhile, it looks like ten of the teams will come very close to maxing out their game exposures.

I know I said above that I would re-invite anyone who finished ahead of me. But if ukula remains ahead of me in 7th place, I think I'll survey the returning league managers to see if they are comfortable with that stance. I know that at this point, I'm certainly having second thoughts.


166Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 17:14
I think it's rather dubious if we will be able to catch Doug now. It can be done, but it's not in our own hands entirely. 4.5 points is a big gap at this stage, but at a stretch, i can see where they might come from.

Rand I'm getting a little worried you might catch us, but it looks like your points are about maxed out. Kudos to you anyway. Hope Melo helped a little bit :)

HoopsKlyce It will be interesting to see the final results of the Manu v Wade comparison. As you suggested, it looks about even right now, but i'll be the first to admit that i didn't really expect Wade to put up 16-5-4.
167ukula
      ID: 20831621
      Mon, Apr 12, 2004, 23:54
Guru and the other owners - I apologize for any perceived lack of effort on my part in the past month or so. I've had a few family health issues lately that have taken precedent over anything else. Going forward, I don't foresee myself having the time to put into a competitive league such as this. Given that, I will respectfully decline any invitation for next year. Guru - Thank you for the invite for this past season.

ukula
168Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Apr 13, 2004, 09:11
ukula - thanks for the explanation. Sorry to hear about your family issues.

169coldwater coyotes
      ID: 32483
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 00:53
Should be interesting tomorrow....can I finish in 7th place? Which players will take a day off?
170Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 13:31
Question - If i have 2 games left to allocate to my G slots tonight, and fill all 4 G slots, how do i determine which ones Yahoo will count? It does not seem to stop me filling all 4 slots. Does that mean if i fill them all, all the stats will be counted? Sorry if it's obvious - i've never been in this situation before.
171blackjackis21
      Leader
      ID: 34837521
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 14:19
I was wondering the same thing earlier Swish City.

Just found this from the rules:

"If your league uses more than one of any position, the allowable total for those positions will be the sum of each individual spot. So, if you allow a maximum of 82 games per position and have three center spots on your roster, you will have a total of 246 combined center games. But, if you have used 245 of them and still have three centers active, you will receive stats for all three players."

So, start 'em all!

On another note, I just picked up a sort of team mascot. I suggest anyone in contention to move up a spot or two do the same.
172Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 14:31
Definitely start them all. Just like baseball pitcher innings. If you have 1 inning left, you get credit for all innings that night.
173rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 21:52
Congrats to Dave R! Well played season.

Thanks to all in this league for a fun season. And, especially Guru for organizing and the invitation to play.

Sorry I wasn't more competitive, but obviously I tried my darndest all year long down to the 'bitter' end. I never quit.



174Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 22:22
Interesting... the rules in post 171 suprise me. I managed the roster the last few days assuming this was NOT the case... that they'd only give you one... maybe whichever game completed first, etc. Oh well, no biggy... and I noticed this ruling just in time to start Drobjnak tonight. Woo-hoo!!!

Congrats to Dave... I had some overacheivers and underperformers, but really thought I had a chance at #1 going into the season and even mid-way through. Dave's team was just too solid all year long though... so kudos to him. I'm pretty sure I'll end up with #2 (would take a lot for #3 to catch me in one night)... so I guess I can't complain TOO much. =-)
175hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 07:32
congrat to the winner Sanforders
This is a 'competitive' league however there was never really a serious challenge to the #1 spot for most of the season.

Guru - I vote for Coldwater coming back
176Edgar
      Leader
      ID: 458944
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 07:57
BJ really nice and quick pickup of Boumtje Boumtje. That shows the quality of our league, they even pickup your favorite mascot ahead of you!

Dave R you have played a great season. Congrats! Sure did not know Joe Johnson would be this good.

Most of all I would like to thank my buddy Swish City who did a great job on managing our team down the stretch, made some great key decsions and kept us in the race for 2nd.

Just hope he does not feel too bad with Celtic eliminated against Villareal. Thanks Swish it has been fun playing.
177Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 09:55
Congrats to Dave R for a wire-to-wire butt whipping. The key to his season? Getting the 3rd pick, and having to settle for Garnett instead of Duncan or Dirk. ;-}

The top six ended up significantly better than the bottom six, and I am happy to invite them all back for next year. Please let me know ASAP if any of you top 6 finishers do not want to return.

Kudos to Coldwater Coyotes for an incredible push down the stretch. If he had gotten 4 more assists, he'd have been in 7th! I'm happy to issue him an invitation to return as well.

There are two qualifying leagues, and I'd like to hear ASAP who won those, and who else in those leagues finished strong. In all likelihood, we will keep this league at 12 managers for next year, so we will have four slots to fill.

Once we get the results from the qualifying leagues, I'll survey the returning managers for their recommendations on filling the open spots. The two qualifying league winners will most likely take two of the spots. The other two are up for grabs - and could include others from the bottom of this league, or others from the qualifying leagues, or anyone else I haven't thought of. That "survey" will take place via email - so that we don't need to hash out any sensitive issues in public.
178Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 12:58
I got an email from Mike D, who won one of the qualifying leagues. Here are the top 3 finishers in that league:

Mike D - 82 points
Beastiemiked - 69.5
Tosh - 65
179Swish City
      Leader
      ID: 931275
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 16:28
More congrats to Dave R. The result was never really in doubt, as the rest of us spent the year chasing shadows and eating KG's dust :)

Without turning this into a back slapping contest, i also have to thank my partner in crime Edgar - not least for hauling me back in line all year for trying to pick up Grant Hill. It's been a hoot, buddy. We'll get 'em next year!

I also think Doug deserves a lot of plaudits. We made a real run at him in the last 1/4 of the season, but he never panicked and held on with a bit to spare in the end.

Finally, thanks to the Guru for making this happen. A great league that i'm sure we all hope we can be part of in the future.

180KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 30815418
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 16:31
re 178: I was a close 4th place, 63.5 points
181Fat Moses
      ID: 710272515
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 18:32
hey,

i'm just wondering, because i'm pretty new to this site, if this league was a yahoo league?? i'm thinking yes by the page that was copied and pasted onto this one. and also, is there anyway i could get in on this mad action?? i just played in a league with random people here (didn't know a one of them) and found it lots of fun because of how intense everyone is on this site. so if maybe someone could give me some info.....
(and was this just a "normal" yahoo league?)
182rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 20:08
I'd just like to toss this nameout for nomination next year: APerfect10.

AP10 won the 2nd annual Gurupie20 League on yahoo. Although it wasn't an official qualifier league and the rules were slightly different, AP10 has to beat a list of 20 Gurupies that read like a whos who list of these boards. It is a VERY tough league to win.

183Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 52347519
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 22:43
Guru - Here's the final standings for the other qualifying league:

1 slackjawed yokel 89
2 Peter N. 68
3 Macabee Tel-Aviv 67.5
4 Donkey Hunters 63
5 Da Bombers 62
6 Dilligad 61
7 Slowhand 49
8 Late Night Lurkers 47.5
9 deepsnapper 42.5
10 Bestirring Studs 39.5
11 Farns Stars 22
12 Rubalamp 13

The stars were definitely aligned for my squad with KG, Peja, VC, Bibby, Theo, etc.
184blackjackis21
      Leader
      ID: 34837521
      Thu, Apr 15, 2004, 23:53
Congrats indeed to Dave R. Incredible season from the draft and throughout. As fun as it is to give you grief (I'll save that for baseball for now), I must tip my hat.

Nice job!
185lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 02:50
My congrats to Dave R and all the other owners in the league as well! Special thanks to Guru for setting it up and the invitation - although I just couldn't seem to stop the slide in the second half of the season, I had a great time trying and hold great respect for all the other managers for their efforts in the league.

I know I certainly learned a lot in my first Yahoo season, the format was enjoyable and made the NBA season a lot more fun. No excuses here - all managers this year had to deal with injuries, disappointments, and busts, and kudos to those on top who handled their surprises smoothly and with skill.

Thanks also to all the managers who I was engaged in trade discussions with from October to March. Everybody was always really friendly and even when things didn't work out it was fun. Doug, I continued to find it hilarious that Artest and Carter seemed to mirror each other game-for-game the last month of the season, things couldn't have been more even!

Hopefully I'll get a chance to apply some of these lessons in a qualifying league next season and earn my way back up to the big leagues. Sorry I missed the RIHC retrospective thread from last month somehow, but I'll be sure to head over there and post my input right away.

Thanks again to everybody and good luck next year!
186Doug
      Sustainer
      ID: 2730280
      Fri, Apr 16, 2004, 19:56
LPG - I agree that Artest/Carter trade was amusing by how much of a "non-event" it turned out to be... especially given that we went back and forth about it for like two weeks IIRC. Still, I remember the negotiations being a lot of fun, and it was a pleasure to play in this league with you. I hope to see you back again the year after next!

Swish/Edgar - Sorry if we had a little misunderstanding over our valuations of players and perceived team goals in the mid-season, but I think it all worked out well (except that neither of us made up ground on Dave) and I enjoyed the challenge of trying to stay just barely ahead of you as the season headed into the stretch. It was close!

rfs - Always good to be in a league with you and sad to see you go... it was a tough year but hopefully we'll see you back again soon!
187Dave R
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      Mon, Apr 19, 2004, 20:50
Hi all, sorry for not posting earlier. Spent the past week visiting my son who was playing in his last college golf tournament.

Thanks for the congrats by everyone. It certainly was a magical season from start to finish. It couldn't have started any better by having KG "slip" to me at the 3rd pick. Somer lucky later round choices (Dampier and JJ to name a couple) certainly helped.

One of the biggest keys was having most of my main guys stay injury free. I know most of you were hard hit by injuries. I beleive KG was the only 1st round pick not to have any injury problems and many of them lost significant time.

Special thanks to Guru for setting this up and running it flawlessly, with all of the usual enhancements he offered.

I look forward to next year.

Dave
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