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0 Subject: RIHC AAA EAST - Regular Season Discussion #1

Posted by: Pacers Rule - [17982315] Tue, Oct 24, 2006, 18:22

Managers-

The draft has been input into Yahoo. However, it won't allow access to our teams until I officially begin the season. I don't want to do that tonight on the off chance that someone would inadvertently submit a waiver request before tomorrow. All undrafted players will be on waivers for 2 days and then become free agents.

Please do not use your IL slots to pick up extra players unless your player's injury is worse than day to day and you have a reputable source to verify that. If so, post the link to that source in this thread prior to picking up your replacement player and moving the injured player to the IL. Any player that you would like to inquire about for IL eligibility you may either do that via this thread or by emailing me. Again, I'll provide a ruling, and if you disagree, you are welcome to provide a rationale for doing so and request a league vote. If I feel there is any merit to your request I will call for a vote. It will take six managers voting via this thread to overturn my decision. Please make your posts with a validated GURUPATRON ID if you have one to verify your identity. Similarly, if I decide one of my own players is eligible for IL on a judgment call, I'll request any managers disagreeing with that decision to vote with their posts and six managers' votes will over-rule my decision. For a more thorough review of IL procedures in our league, please see post 44.

There is a 24 hour moratorium on executed trades via the yahoo page to allow for similar votes against the trade's equity. If six votes from managers opposing the trade are posted, the trade will be disallowed or overturned if it has just gone into effect. My vote would be one of the required six in this scenario, if I was personally opposed on the basis of equity.

None of the above scenarios requires the votes to occur with 24 hours. However, we're not going to go back 2 weeks later and overturn a trade, so please voice your protest in a timely manner. Let's say only votes posted within 72 hours of the call for a vote on an IL decision or notification of a trade from the yahoo site will count to overturn an IL decision or trade.

Please begin using this thread for our discussion.
1Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Oct 24, 2006, 22:06
Umm... I for teh win!
2Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 01:11
Yahoo site is now up and running. Waiver requests begin tonight if you've changed your mind already, or have a player to stash on the IL. Remember, before placing a player on the IL, you must post a link to the documentation of the players injury in this thread.

If you choose to wait 48 hours or so, All players on waivers currently will become FA's, so you will be able to take them immediately at that time, and without losing your waiver priority.
3Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 01:31
Does this count for Darius Songaila?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhXzvrrBq2SIYOArsrvjcrykvLYF?slug=rotowire-ariusongailaouldtill&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy

He is expected to miss the start of the season, might not be back till Thanksgiving? Can I put him on our IL?
4Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 01:54
Solid newspaper articles like this provide much more concrete information.

Based on the link you pasted, I was not sure. If you want more support for your claims for IL eligibility, get to know the hometown newspapers of your players' teams. Based on this story, he's definitely eligible.

Also, please use Guru's mechanism for posting a live link as opposed to just typing or pasting the address in the thread. It's very easy to do. Just follow the link at the bottom of the text entry box for your next post and follow the instructions.
5Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 01:56
Bogut out and IL eligible
7Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 02:08
Rotoworld link is less than definitive, but I know from reading other articles that Jason Williams is out until mid-November or early December. Actually, here's much better info from ESPN, if the link will come up for you.
8Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 09:26
Mike Bibby to the IL. Oh Brother here we go already.

Mike Bibby rotoworld

Mike Bibby ESPN

Mike Bibby rototimes
9Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 09:27
I tried the Sacromenot Bee but I had to subscribe to get to the article.
10Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 09:51
yeah, it's a pretty quick process though. if you have mozilla, try the bugmenot extension

Just to clarify, I don't need to 'approve' every move to the IL. If it clearly fits into our definitions and your link documents that, you're good to go. If someone has an issue with it, it will be brought to your attention. Please be particularly careful with that for the beginning of the season here. If you're not sure and don't want to presume, you are welcome to inquire and provide supporting documentation here. I'll try to keep up on all of these throughout the day and evening.
11KnicksFan
      ID: 411054411
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 10:24
Bobby Simmons heel injury proof
12Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 11:24
Darius Miles still a couple weeks away
13Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 11:39
Mike Bibby's elementary school report cards

Mike Bibby's High School Prom Pictures

LMAO
14Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 13:02
You forgot his High School Graduation Picture

;-p
15Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 13:05
I know your next comment...Yes I know just a quick reply ;-p
16Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 13:58
He he

Nice story on your link, by the way :-)
17Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 14:21
Pau Gasol expected to miss first 6-to-8 weeks.
18Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 20:08
I don't know, Gasol sounds pretty day-to-day me. As in, day-to-day-to-day-to-day-to-day-to-day-to-day...
19Pacers Rule
      ID: 17982315
      Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 00:53
Looks like b/c waivers are set for 2 days, the waivers won't run tonight like I thought. I'd reset it to one day but I'm afraid managers may have seen the 2 day setting and decided they had until tomorrow to make up their minds.

I'll plan to leave it at 2 days the whole season unless a majority want it to be at 1 day.
20Doug
      ID: 31655290
      Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 11:47
2 is actually preferable to me. Prevents me from having to check in EVERY single day to see if I missed something, etc.
21Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 17:04
I agree I like 2 days myself

Ok this is getting ridiculous
Marvin Williams Break Hand
22Pacers Rule
      ID: 17982315
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 08:25
Goin' to Indy to the Children's Museum with the fam all day. I'll be away until late tonight. Looks like the first run of waiver pickups ran last night. All available players are now FA's.
23Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 10:29
Songaila on injured reserve
Picked up Hakim Warrick

last year we specified who we picked up and why.. not sure if we should do the same.
24KnicksFan
      ID: 411054411
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 10:45
Robert Swift out for season

I filled my 2 IL slots. One for Swift, one for Simmons.
25Pacers Rule
      ID: 17982315
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 22:42
Well, KF, at least Swift wasn't a top pick.

Trevor, that is nice as far as ease of tracking, but I had not asked folks to do it. Probably would be a good idea. I figure most of the time just from the yahoo site I'll be able to tell who has their IL slots filled and I'll be looking for their injured players. The link in this thread will aid in clarifying if there are questions.
26Doug
      ID: 50747319
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 22:59
I think it's a nice idea if everyone could do that. We couldn't at first because we were putting guys on IL, but there were no FAs to pick up yet.
27Pacers Rule
      ID: 17982315
      Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 00:55
In the interest of full disclosure, a story broke today that Bogut is making rapid progress on his injury rehab and may even play in the first game. That potentially begs the question of whether he should be considered IL eligible or is more day-to-day.

At this point I believe he stays eligible because my sense is these reports and comments are pretty optimistic/idealized, as he's yet to even make it through a full practice, as I understand it. Perhaps more significantly, at the time the move to IL occurred, it was done on the information that he was out for an extended time period (6-8 weeks). Since he's yet to play in a game, his status does not change until he does play- despite subsequent progress and a much improved prognosis. If I'm missing something, let me know.

I edited the waiver order this evening due to a yahoo glitch in which Doug's waiver request was incorrectly processed as a Free Agent pickup. At least, that's all that I can figure, since:

1) all undrafted players were to be on waivers following the draft,
2) Doug's transaction processed as a free agent pickup ahead of my waiver pickup, and
3) I had a higher waiver ranking than Doug.

Based on Collison going to Doug 2nd of the waiver moves, as should have happend, he would been 12th in waiver rank at that point, followed by Zanth and myself dropping back below him in the order with subsequent waiver pickups- first Zanyth's, then mine. Managers previously left at rank 7 through 10 moved forward one spot in the order once Doug was moved from sixth to tenth.
28Doug
      ID: 31655290
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 00:05
PR... email sent... I don't think this should be a waiver move. It was a legitimate FA pickup. Your item 2) in your post is true, but that's just one of the vagaries of the yahoo waiver system... the waiver players actually became unavailable at 12am (or 12:01 or whatever), even though they didn't "post" those transactions until 12:31am (and my pickup was in between at 12:15am). However, the 3 players from the waiver process (Thomas, Williams, and I forget the 3rd at the moment) were not available in the FA pool at 12:15am because they had been scooped up by the waiver system. If there's a glitch on the site, it's simply that the waivers are shown as occuring at "12:31" instead of "12:01"... essentially, they DID occur before my transaction, even though the site doesn't show it that way.
29Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 00:17
Ok, I'm fine with that. I wondered if there was a chance that you were up at that moment, waiting on all the players to clear waivers, and then selecting from who was left, and that possibly the exact scenario you were describing took place- that the players became unavailable due to being claimed on waivers, but that due to system delays, the transactions didn't actually happen until a short time later, inbetween which time you made your FA pickup.

Still kind of a screwy system but I guess it works, as long as your commissioner doesn't have a knee-jerk reaction :-)

I'll, um, unfix it.
30Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 00:25
unfixed
31Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 04:15
Well today is the offical start.. so in the immortal words of our beloved little plumber Super Mario...


Heeeeeeeere we gooooooooooo!
32Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 13:20
I'd be a bit more pumped for tonights games if I had so much as a SINGLE fantasy player who would be active, LOL!

I'm even in a second league with some buddies and don't have anyone active in that league either. Ah well. At least the ball is rolling. But tomorrow night will be a lot more fun to me.
33Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 14:21
I know what you're going through Doug. I activate Barbosa just so I could have a rooting interest in the second game.
34Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 21:53
I was at the store an this lady was spanking her child... so I was like "OH! I get it! You're the Bulls, and your kid is the Heat, right!?!?! Good costumes!!!"
35Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 22:08
not to jinx it but Hinrich is looking a pretty good pick up so far.. if only he was passing more :(
36Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 22:50
So, the question is did Nocioni play well enough to take over the starting spot from Deng? Kinda sad I didn't play him now given that solid performance.. but whoo go Hinrich.. not enough assists for my 2nd PG.. but it'll do.
37Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 22:51
oh and btw... #1 after the first game.. woohoo!
38Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 23:04
Yeah, the early volatility in the rankings is fun. I remember I went from #11 to #3 in RIHC one night about 2 weeks into the season last year.
39Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 17:32
Well, it's beyond speculation at this point, Bogut is back.

There are numerous sources reporting Bogut will not only play, he will start.

Consequently, I'm returning him to active status, which means I must also cut a player I had taken while he was on the IL. I'll plan to do that before game time tonight, though of course it would be nice to see the guy I'm going to cut actually play in game to help me decide who to cut! Oh well. I'd rather have Bogut in my lineup than the player I'll cut.
40Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 17:45
Alright, Anthony Johnson has been dropped.
41Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 20:48
Brezec out for two weeks

Stupid f'ing Centre
42Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 23:10
Oh, give him a break, Trevor. I mean, seriously, he's suffering from 'exhaustion'. Oh yeah, and he's dehydrated, too. It should easily take 2 weeks for him to drink enough fluids to rehydrate. Could happen to any of us. LOL
43Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 01:04
Zanyth, Bibby no longer eligible for IL. Cut someone unless you have another IL eligible player on your roster after tonight's action.
44Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 07:33
Wow.. talk about a horrible draft really shinning through. Some amazingly stellar play buy Mr. Consistent Matt Harpring has him getting canned.. Brezec down and out, no idea why Juwan Howard didn't play, Bosh with a slow one, Nocioni being a prick, and of course not playing Hakim Warrick...

wicked.

Well, it's only Andre Miller tonight.. lets see if he can do better than the rest of my team combined.
45Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 09:15
Ok, will do...working on it now.

That came out of no where.
46tommyd
      ID: 2832309
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 13:08
Well the tail end of my draft certainly looks better than the front end. Really liked my bobcat combo of Okafur and Knight. If Kobe can come back and be decent it would help a lot.
47KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 16:47
PSA: I will not be in last place for long. Watch out.
48KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 12:08
Joel Przybilla out a week

Can I use my IL slot? This is not a day-to-day injury.
49Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 12:56
Well, I'm a little mixed on this one, KF. The article says the Blazers expect him out for a week and he did miss a game or part of a game with the injury. However, both rotoworld and espn are listing him as day to day.
Let me check in with what the other RIHC leagues are doing, if anything, on this. I'll keep thinking on it. Of course, if you feel strongly he should be IL eligible, you could put him there, and then I would need to determine whether I wanted to over-rule that. I appreciate you not taking that approach, however. I'll try to give you a decision this afternoon.
50Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 13:33
KF, after checking all the injury sites I know of, no one has him listed as worse than day to day. Even the blazers' own website lists him as healthy.

All I could find was a passing comment in the game recaps that he sat out Saturday's game after an injury suffered in Friday's game, but they certainly don't seem to be making a big deal about it.

So, for now, until/unless further information surfaces, I think he is best considered day to day and therefore not IL eligible.

You are certainly welcome to 'appeal' my decision to the league by requesting a vote. If you do, you will need five managers in addition to yourself to post their disagreement in this thread with my decision. Those six votes would need to occur within 72 hours of your post officially appealing my decision.

If it's any consolation, I didn't seek to place Bonzi on IL though he was out at the start of the season due in part to recovering from a groin pull, though there was no timetable on his return.

These can be frustrating, but hopefully he'll be back before too long and it won't be anything serious. This kind of scenario, esp. if it's only a week, is addressed in our league imo without the IL via our regular bench slots. Primoz Brezec was a bit of a borderline call in a similar scenario this week with his 'injury' but there seems to be more justfication there, since the team made an official statement about it and that statement included a specific 2 week timetable. In my judgment the newspaper article cited for Przybilla lacks both specificity and that 'official' quality. With those factors and its contradiction to other injury reports, day-to-day seems the best fit for the situation at this time.
51Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 13:39
Hey, also, Knicksfan, when you are ready to take Marbury off my hands, let me know. We'll see if he bounces back tonight but not only was the Garden booing him in the home opener, he himself described his play as "garbage" and said he didn't blame the fans for booing him. Didn't he recently declare himself the best PG in the NBA? I thought Francis was going to come off the bench and IT's love affair with Marbury was going to take the LB cuffs and shackles off his game.

Looks like Hinrich might have been a much better pick at 3.11 so far. Oh well, maybe Marbury will bounce back just like Tinsley did against him with his 13 or 14 assists.
52KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:22
The article I cited has several quotes from coach Nate McMillan about the significant effects that the Joel injury will have on their lineup. The way I interpreted those statements was that the team views the injury as potentially more serious than the official line of "one week". However, I'll abide by your decision.

As for Marbury, he's gotta improve eventually. However, after watching the first 3 games it is clear that he just cannot get comfortable playing with Francis. Also, the pick-and-roll which was Marbury's bread and butter is virtually non-existant in Isiah's offense. That'll knock his assists down.
53Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 15:54
Kirk Hinrich.. gotta love riding that guy up and down all season long.. it's turblent but in the end he works out to be decent.

Trade ya for Iverson.. what's going on with that peckerhead right now? Kid's on fire. He hitting like half his three's or something? Dishing like crazy.. he's like Hinrich and Miller combined. Garbage :(

Rough start so far for me.. last in assists? I thought I was going to be perfectly fine with those.. damn. Last in rebounds and blocks.. well makes sense since I expected Prezec and Howard to be playing.. still no idea why Howard isn't a starter. Oh well.
54Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 17:20
I watched the Houston game last night, Trevor, with one eye on it and one on some internet shopping (blew my center channel speaker). Howard got some minutes probably esp. because Yao sat the first half on the bench after 2 early fouls.

He (Howard) actually looked pretty good when I noticed him. I saw a very athletic finish in the paint one time.

My guess is his minutes are going to be kind of limited with Yao and Battier taking a lot of court time. Houston is also OK with Mt. Mutumbo defending the paint as well, so he's in a bit of a logjam. Battier is playing sweet right now. Check out his line from last night's game if you want to know why he's starting over J. Howard. Probably a good call on your part to drop him, though he might not make a bad insurance policy for me in case Battier or Yao go down.
55Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 23:43
Wow, Mark L the big winner today, climbing 17 points as of this moment to the #2 spot. And KnicksFan continues to climb the ladder, making his way up to # 8.
56Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 04:01
Weird. Locked out of the yahoo site. I've been attempting to pick up Etan Thomas (whom I cut 2 days ago) but I'm prevented from doing so until he clears waivers. I anticipated that happening about this time of night but after perhaps too many page reloads, I'm locked out.

Anyway, I'd like dibs on him once the site allows me back in, assuming someone didn't take him on waivers or already claim him as a FA.
57Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 06:37
Sorry PP, I decided since I was doing so poorly in rebounds and blocks that I needed to give up my #1 priority on him. My team just isn't getting it done and hopefully he'll be a little sparkplug. Was definately NOT an easy decision to use #1 on him.. but I doubt I'd get a chance to fill such a big need like I have down the road again with that pick.
58Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 07:17
Yeah, I'd say that's as good a pickup with waivers as far as potential reward that you could make.

I am irked. He wasn't getting enough PT, and I was already strong in rebounds and blocks, or so it seemed, so I went ahead and let him go for a flyer on J.R. Smith. Then of course the next game he gets his 37 minutes of run and pull down 15 boards to go with 6 blocks, and I can't take him back. Oh well. That's the way it goes. Good luck with him.
59Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 07:20
Of course, now I'm wondering if I called attention to him by my post or if he would have been gone regardless! Waivers ran a little late last night, or so it seems.
60Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 11:19
I was paying attention to the game because of Caron Butler, no worries.. I had him selected before I saw your post. So don't blame yourself, except for dropping him early ;)
61Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 18:30
I had put in a claim as well if Trevor hadn't picked him up (nothing to do with your post).
62Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 00:10
Brad Miller is out for 4 weeks. I'll pick someone up accordingly.
63Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 01:10
Yeah, I definitely got impatient there. I wanted someone who would produce now. Looks like I was about 2 days premature.
64Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 01:22
Josh Howard should have tweaked his ankle a little sooner to keep me from dropping Thomas! Now we know he's out for 2 weeks.
65Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 18:34
From rotowire... Al Jefferson expected to miss 2-3 weeks.

Jefferson underwent an emergency appendectomy Wednesday, the Boston Globe reports. Jefferson, who is averaging 11.3 points and 7.0 rebounds through three games, is expected to be back at 100 percent within two-to-three weeks, according to Celtics executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge.
66Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 19:50
*sigh*... 3 fouls in 3 minutes? Darko, you are officially a Dorka.
67Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 21:42
Doug, it hurts after the anesthesia wears off. We understand.
68Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 00:33
Well, at least finishing with 6 boards doesn't suck, and the 2 steals w/ 3 blocks is pretty nice, but only scoring 2 points still kinda hurts.

He managed to foul out in 15 minutes played. Eesh.
69Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 02:02
Think Darko hurts.. check out the lines on my two big guys who are in to boost my boards and blocks.. Etan Thomas and Nazzy Mo. Talk about a shit filled evening for those boys. At least CB4 is king and David Lee did me a dub dub.
70tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 06:46
Kenyon Martin our indefinitely

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3400/news
71tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 06:47
kenyon martin

sorry here's the link
72Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 18:59
Bummer on Kmart, tommyd.
73Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 20:10
Trevor, isn't that the stink of this game? Etan goes crazy and neither of us get his numbers, and now that he's back in a lineup, he's back to his old pedestrian self.
74KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 11:33
I think I've got 5 players who are day-to-day. This sucks.
75Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 11:57
I'm open to dialogue on a player technically listed as day to day, but realistically is going to be out longer. Is Pryzbilla back yet? Any updates on his status indicating he's worse than day to day?
76Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 15:37
Kwame's my replacement for Josh Howard.
77KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 15:53
Przybilla missed his 3rd game. The articles don't mention anything about a change in his status.
78KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 16:03
I propose that if a day-to-day player has already missed X number of games, the manager should be allowed to fill an IL slot until that player actually plays.

Obviously the current rule is in place to prevent abuse of the extra roster spot by sticking any guy with a sore thumb on the "IL". However once there has already been significant time missed, what makes the day-to-day listing any different than if the team had originally reported that the player would be out for 1-2 weeks?
79Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 16:56
Yeah, that's a good point, KF. I tried to advocate that position last year in the RIHC main league (you may remember). I had Tinsley who missed months, all the while on 'day to day' status.

I'm certainly open to dialogue on that issue within our league. We do have the latitude in the rules already to consider individual situations, and we also have the lattitude as a league to over-rule my decisions if I'm being too restrictive or loosey-goosey or whatever. If you seriously have 5 players that are day to day, that puts you in kind of a compromised position to get games played and I could see being a little more lenient in your situation.

Post who the players are and see if you can dig up any extra documentation on them. I agree your Pryzbilla situation was a borderline case already and I had to scratch my head on a decision there.

I'd also appreciate comments from others in the league as to these issues. Maybe we can get something done later tonight in time for you to pick someone up who can play for you tomorrow if that would be appropriate. I probably won't be able to do much more on anything until about 10 pm EST.
80Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 18:09
PR - As a point of correction, I had Tinsley all last year in RIHC. Perhaps you are thinking of Camby.
81Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 18:20
I had him 2 years ago in RIHC AA. That's what it was.

man, no wonder I lost in RIHC last year. Tinsley is my key to victory, whether he plays or not. So....look out this year!!!

But yeah, Camby's another case altogether. He truly is day to day. He plays a couple days, takes a couple days off.
82Mark L
      ID: 39928322
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 18:23
So far he has been absolutely, totally reliable.

Probably jinxed his longest active streak in my memory by saying
that . . .
83KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 18:38
1. Steve Francis -- Yahoo - Nov 10 -- According to the New York Post, Francis (ankle) is questionable for tonight's game in Houston. If Francis is unable to go, Jamal Crawford will once again start in his spot.

2. Raymond Felton -- Rotoworld -- Raymond Felton announced on Friday that in addition to Friday night, he's also going to miss Sunday's game with his rib injury. "Joe Sharpe decided," said Felton, referring to the Bobcats’ trainer. "If it were up to me, I’d be playing." That means a pair of starts for Adam Morrison and a ton of assists for Brevin Knight, who will start at point guard in his place. Consider benching Felton in weekly leagues if you don't hear good news by Sunday.

3. Speedy Claxton -- Yahoo -- Nov 9 - According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Claxton is not expected to play in Friday's game against Toronto due to left knee soreness. Claxton was sidelined in the second half of the Hawks' 104-95 overtime win over Cleveland on Tuesday.

4. Joel Przybilla -- Lower abdominal hematoma.


Plus already on my IL:

5. Bobby Simmons -- Rotoworld - The Bucks have announced that Bobby Simmons will be out three or four more weeks with his heel injury.


At least Pietrus and Stromile Swift are back.
84Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 23:40
Yep, 4 guys with day to day injuries. I looked for more on Przybilla but found nothing beyond day to day. Looks like just a tough stretch, Elon, unless you've got something else for us.

I'm not opposed to the an automatic IL eligibility after X number of missed games on day to day status. I think 3 might be too few, however. I wonder what my fellow managers would think about 5 (consecutive) games missed = automatic IL eligibility?
86tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 14:04
I think 5 is a fair number.
87KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 15:50
I think 5 is fine.
88Mark L
      ID: 39928322
      Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 18:51
5 is eminently fair. Has to be something fairly serious to miss at
least a week.
89Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 01:17
yeah 5 is good with me.. I mean, if it doesn't say more than day-to-day that is.
90Pacers Rule
      ID: 3010221212
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 13:37
If we have 2 more managers vote in favor of 5 consecutive games missed = automatic IL eligibility for players listed simply as day to day then we'll have a majority (with me abstaining). At that point, I'd feel comfortable changing/clarifying our rule (since we're now into the season) and I'd say we could put that into place immediately.

We still would have the restriction that injured players acquired via free agency or waivers would need to be on your roster for 10 days before becoming eligible for the IL. That's of course assuming they didn't play since joining your team, and subsequently injure themselves (worse than day to day, or day to day with 5 games missed).

I'm out of town today with limited access to internet. Just to clarify, if we get two more votes from managers posted here supporting the 5 games = IL rule it will be considered passed/official and those affected managers can immediately apply that policy to their team, if applicable, if so desired.
91Doug
      ID: 31655290
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 15:10
5 is PLENTY long... in some cases that translates about 2 weeks of missed time BEFORE a guy gets eligibile.
92Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 22:45
I think 5 games is a fair number.
93Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 23:16
So let it be spoken, so let it be done.
94tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 23:36
Drop those dimes Mr. Kidd.
95Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 23:52
That was a wicked line.
96holt
      ID: 410511410
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 11:56
rototimes:
November 12, 2006
Brandon Roy hopes that wearing a protective boot well help him avoid having to undergo surgery on his ailing heel, according to the Oregonian. "Hopefully we can get it calmed down again so I don't have to go in for surgery," Roy said. A recent MRI revealed that Roy has a larger-than-normal Talus bone that was pinching a muscle, causing pain and swelling. He'll wear the boot for at least the next week before undergoing another MRI on Saturday.

dunno what the rules are exactly. can I pick someone up for him while he's out? last game he played was nov. 6, and it doesn't seem that he'll be playing anytime soon.
97Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 13:03
Roy is out and IL eligible
98Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 13:04
He actually played Nov. 11.
99holt
      ID: 4310748
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 19:39
11/14 Lawrence Roberts (Mem - SF,PF)

for Roy
100Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 01:50
I haven't checked the game log, but the question of the night to my mind, after glancing at box scores... is WHO THE HELL had their shot blocked by EARL BOYKINS?!?!?
101Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 06:37
Oh sorry yeah that was me Doug.. we were just playing around and I didn't think there was any way he'd get up on me like that, stupid lil bastid.

Actually not sure who it was but I'd like to see a replay.. though it was probably a shitty little steal that someone thought was a block or something.

Go figure West out with an injury and I wasn't around to move Wright in for him and Wright gets four blocks.. punk ass. At least Bosh is still king... if only my Raps would win a damn game.
102Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 11:07
Chuck Hayes expected to miss two weeks

Kirilenko out at least two more games

PR, let me know if these guys can go on IL. Case for Hayes is clear IMO, AK47 less so.
103Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 13:02
Well, Boykins has fizzled since I picked him up, but I still am going to plug him into a Util slot for one more chance. Besides, I need the blocks.
104Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 15:49
The Hayes link above doesn't work - try this one.
105Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 19:04
Thanks, was getting a dead link on that Hayes link.

Looks like Hayes is out, and AK-47 is officially day to day. Unless there is a more concrete timetable for him due to some kind of diagnostic clarification or something, he will need to miss his five games to become IL eligibile. AK's been a bit of a buzzkill for you, Mark. Sorry about that. I thought it was a good pick when you made it. Maybe he'll come back and regain his studly form.
106Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 19:38
Thanks PR.

AK47 has been really disappointing even when healthy. He has a bunch of single-digit games for goodness sakes.

So far I have done well enough in blocks with Biedrins (and Millsap's last game!) not to miss AK47 there, but as the season goes on he has to perform across the board if I am to do well. I picked a bunch of injury-prone guys knowing the risk; here it is.
107Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 51046511
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 20:57
Charlie Villanueva is out for 4 weeks: link
108holt
      ID: 26101176
      Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 11:07
Shaq out.

picked up elson.

argh
109Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 17:05
I'm in Orlando for a week and have very spotty access. Unfortunately, with all the amenities here, broadband in our rooms is not one of them.

Plus, it's hard to check in when you're at Disney.
110Pacers Rule @ Disney
      ID: 5810352017
      Mon, Nov 20, 2006, 18:35
whoops! just saw gotta cut someone. sorry bout that. ben wallace sat my bench a game if its any consolation.

I was hoping for a response on a two for one trade from snf but no dice.

cya Kwame
111tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Mon, Nov 20, 2006, 21:02
Wow Okafor with 8 blocks again, crazy.
112Urmas
      ID: 44411285
      Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 02:01
Nene has been out for 5 games. Picked up Quinton Ross.
113Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 00:41
Back to the cold Indiana November, just as the middle and upper 70's return to Orlando. Fortunately, to welcome me home, my bigs Sean May and Ben Wallace put up huge nights with 0's in seven cats and 1's in Rebounds and Assists, respectively.

I see also Jason Williams has decided he came back too early and needs more time off. Oh well, at least Antoine Walker got benched and 'went off' for 4 points and 5 rebounds on .286 shooting tonight.

The bottom of the standings are looking closer every night. I see my team does not appreciate my inattention this past week.
114Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 12:26
Al Jefferson has returned to action for me, but Eddie Jones has missed six straight games to take his place on my IL.
115holt
      ID: 386122123
      Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 19:27
i see jason williams in the starting lineup tonight.

I'm really disappointed in my team so far but I'm having a problem making trade offers. I don't have any categories I can afford to deal away. just need some of my guys to step their game up (NOW!).
116Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 22:19
Yeah, J-Will is back starting, and then sitting, and then...

probably limited minutes for a while, and not playing in back to backs. I was more optimistic that he'd be fully recovered after finally fixing the knee that dogged him all last season. He claims the pain now is not like last season's and I think there's still a chance that his knee will fully recover. He says he just needs to strengthen the supporting muscles around the knee. Hopefully he can play his knee into shape.

Thanks Doug for letting me know where your #2 IL guy was. I was scratching my head for a minute tonight in going through rosters. Since I've been out of touch for a while I'm a little slow on the uptake right now.
117Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 23:24
Slackjawed Yokel - email sent, please check.
Mark L - thanks for the prompt reply.
118Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 2010152717
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 18:17
Picked up Oberto cause West is like pseudo dead.. 7 games and counting.

Sorry been inactive.. lost my Internet.. stupid miss games by Hinrich and shit :( ARGH!!!

Oh well, moving up a bit.. c'mon boys!
119Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 18:18
We're doing a good job with IL use - the five consecutive games missed criteria is helpful - but it will also be important to keep a fairly close eye on players listed as day to day who are on your IL. If you've a player in that scenario - just check in fairly regularly to make sure they are still in fact NOT playing. The spirit of our 'law' is that when you become aware they have returned, you figure out who you want to drop and let them go. If you are going to be away from the internet for a period of time (such as I was this past week) and you let me know, there is more potential for grace should your roster fall out of compliance during your absence.

We've had a lot of early movement in the standings. I noticed just now that apart from one manager who posts to this thread regularly, every single manager has visited our league site since yesterday. It's great to have such an active league.

I know I've been involved in some early trade talks. Nothing's materialized there yet, but I know others of you are doing the same. It will be interesting to see who pulls the trigger on our first deal.
120Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 18:19
Well, speak of the devil....
121Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 18:27
Also, I do appreciate posting on the league site, but standard documentation of IL eligibility is still appreciated when it's an injury worse than missed five games and day to day.
122Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 2010152717
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 20:44
Well... I don't really have anything other than Yahoo! saying he is still out, and no new news articles other than the ones saying he'll be back in no time. Yahoo! says he wants to play Tuesday but he hasn't even been cleared to practice.
123Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 21:30
Trevor, I was making a general comment to everyone. Your player has missed at least five consecutive games and he's at least considered day to day. By our IL rules revision, that makes him IL eligible until he plays, period.

I was meaning that although I am encouraging folks to post their IL moves also on the yahoo league site, I still am asking them to post a link in this thread when their player is a 'regular' IL eligible player (injured with a timetable more severe than day to day). The yahoo site doesn't easily facilitate posting a link for documentation of the injury. If the player has missed 5 complete games, that is easy enough to verify without a link.
124Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 08:31
Channing Frye started to wake up, now he is knocked OUT

Moving to IL, picking up....someone
125Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 00:50
Stomo you dogged me on May!
126Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 10:20
I'm looking to add a 3-point shooter who won't hurt me in FT%. I'm willing to consider trading everyone except Bron Bron. Don't be surprised if you see an offer soon.

I will have spotty internet access between Saturday and Tuesday night, but I want to let you all know I'm looking to deal.
127Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 13:12
I suspect that I can't help you, FP.
128Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 01:22
Mo Pete has missed 6 games in a row. Picked up Rasual Butler.
129Urmas
      ID: 44411285
      Mon, Dec 04, 2006, 05:39
There were reports that Larry Hughes would return to action last Friday or so. Did not happen. Nene continues to sit out as well, but Webber is playing again. Moved Hughes back to IR spot.
130tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 23:12
Peja Stojakovic out for 5 picked up Martel Webster.
131KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Dec 08, 2006, 10:34
Steve Francis out indefinitely...I'm picking someone up.
132Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Mon, Dec 11, 2006, 02:38
Rotating IR... E Jones in, J Childress out
133Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Tue, Dec 12, 2006, 17:45
SY-

Can you post the link to the source you used for Richardson being more than day to day? The league page is convenient for me - so thanks for posting there, but don't forget please to also post your link here for your documentation of the injury.
134Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Tue, Dec 12, 2006, 17:51
Maddenning, I tell you. Bonzi sits, with no news updates for weeks, so I finally cut him, only to see within days news break that he's going to see some court time - or at least some practice time, finally. Of course, he was picked up almost instantly he came off waivers, so now he can produce for someone else (though I still have my MAJOR doubts).
135holt
      ID: 386122123
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 18:48
i need to improve in assists. sent out some offers. if you don't like the offer, counter if you see something - or let me know what you're looking for.
136Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 19:48
Has anyone spoken with Slackjawed Yokel recently?
I have been trying to reach him regarding his moving Richardson to an IL slot without posting documentation - but have been unable to do so.
The sources I checked after his move listed him as day to day.
One thing I need to know is if anyone had intended to pick up Donyell Marshall since the 10th, but was unable to do so due to him being picked up.
137Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 811371220
      Fri, Dec 15, 2006, 16:09
Sorry, hadn't been checking in here too regularly. I saw the note on the yahoo page that we should post there and assumed that was in lieu of this.

But, I got it from a rotowire post on 12/8 that actually looks to be taken from here: link
138Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 811371220
      Fri, Dec 15, 2006, 16:15
Another rotowire posting on 12/8 also said the following: Richardson (knee) has a bone bruise on his left knee and will be held out of practice until December 19th when his next MRI is scheduled, the Contra Costa Times reports.

And that is what drove me to think he was IL eligible, though I'm not sure that the 12/19 date was entirely accurate...
139Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Dec 15, 2006, 17:17
Looks like your info is good, SY. See post #123, however. We all know what happens when we assume. :-)
We need to be consistent in the use of the IL slots. Posting supporting documentation here allows that to continue.
140Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 11:33
We all thought Iverson was being benched due to his trade demands. Turns out, he's out indefinitely with a bad back

(Just kidding)

141Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 11:34
and GO BEN GO!!!
142holt
      ID: 521113145
      Wed, Dec 20, 2006, 17:55
looks like Roy will play tonight. dropped a player already.
143Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 18:16
Camby expected out two weeks with
broken finger.


No replacement yet - probably be a day or so.
144Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 18:20
Link did not work - will repost.
145Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 21:06
I'm watching Pacers/Hawks. I didn't realize Joe Johnson was this good.
146Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Sun, Dec 24, 2006, 06:18
Well, now that Iverson's playing again, I guess it was inevitable:

Yao out six weeks with fracture
147holt
      ID: 521113145
      Sun, Dec 24, 2006, 06:51
argh, only 12 pts from Joe Johnson last night. don't go jinxing my players there PR.
: /
148Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Mon, Dec 25, 2006, 12:57
Camby expected to miss two weeks

Try this one on the cotton-man.
149Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Mon, Dec 25, 2006, 12:58
BTW, I took Garbajosa for him.
150Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Mon, Dec 25, 2006, 17:22
I'm salivating over the salmons pickup. Triple double to start things off. Not too shabby.
I wonder if the Kings give Artest the boot, what his next contract is going to look like.

I wonder if he needs psychiatric medication.
151Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Mon, Dec 25, 2006, 22:56
BTW - Quentin Richardson has missed his fifth game, hence the Fred Jones pickup. Watch Mutumbo go off for a blocks triple double now that I passed on him twice.
152Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 811371220
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 11:43
Pierce out 2-3 weeks

Krstic out for season. (but here's hoping he's a quick healer)
153Doug
      ID: 5611493018
      Sat, Dec 30, 2006, 19:53
Billups out 10 days to 2 weeks ... I only posted 7-10 days on the yahoo site, but whatever.
154Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Sun, Dec 31, 2006, 01:58
PR - nice work on the standings analysis and thanks for doing it. I
gotta quit playing so many guys, it's giving me a false sense of
security (as if I could get one with a 2 point lead in this league).
155Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Sun, Dec 31, 2006, 12:42
Bonzi Wells out at least one week
156Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 04:32
Camby returned tonight after having missed only four games.

Am inclined to believe that I should waive Garbajosa because I
should never have grabbed him but will await Commish (and other)
input on this.
157tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 10:36
Brevin Knight out 4-6 weeks

Will pick up someone.
158Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 17:52
Thanks, TommyD.
Mark,
I think many of these are grey rather than black and white, which is one reason we reached agreement to place a link documenting a credible source who's reporting a player is out beyond day-to-day status. Of course, one site will report it as day-to-day and one will report a player is "out". But you followed the procedures, and I didn't object- nor did anyone else that I'm aware of for that matter- so you're good on him for as long as you've got an IL eligible player on your roster. He was reported out for one to two weeks.

Brezec was simply "dehydrated" with a timetable of 2 weeks and we let that qualify. But it is a slippery slope which is why if there's room for doubt and no sources with a timetable it would be best to inquire before making the move. I'm not speaking to you specifically here, Mark, but just as a general reminder to all. I noticed a move was made recently without any kind of documentation being provided. Now the whole world knew about Yao's knee and Richardson's wrist, but still just for consistency it's best to post a link.

I just checked your roster, however, and if Camby played again then I didn't see anyone that I was aware of that was IL eligible, which does mean you need to choose a player to drop or let us know who else is eligible to be on your IL.
159Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 17:54
Again, to clarify, Mark, you followed all procedures - including documenting your moves in this thread.

Glad you enjoyed the standings update, by the way. I found it a little deflating, personally. Losing Yao was not what I needed, but then again, none of us ever needs to lose a top pick for an extended period.
160Flying Polack
      ID: 189201720
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 07:16
Gerald Wallace out 7 to 10 days with separated shoulder
161Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 08:43
KF, need a post for nate, thanks.
162KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 09:05
Atlanta’s Josh Smith underwent successful hernia surgery on December 26 and will be out of action for at least a month following the procedure.
163holt
      ID: 4602632
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 09:53
cassell with 5 dnp's now
164Mark L
      ID: 31159914
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 10:45
Well, I kept Garbajosa and waived Najera, and now I will be starting a 5-game wait on Garbo, it seems. Can't really complain when all my injuries are to peripheral players.
165Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 14:07
Re: 153... PR, did you reverse my Donyell Marshall pickup? Or was it human error? I could have sworn I picked him up as I remember seeing him on my "my team" page and putting him in a utility slot, but maybe I was smoking crack, because it appears someone else picked him up 2 days later. Just trying to figure out what happened.
166Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 19:46
Doug,
no I sure didn't - at least that I can recall!
and I think I would remember that.

I remember wondering about the justification for slackjawed yokel having him (see post 133 and 136). However, slack came through with the documentation, albeit late.

In your case, I don't recall the issue. Before I would remove someone from a team, rest assured I would have been communicating with you.

I'll look at the league transactions log to see if I can help figure out what happened.

Sometimes yahoo can be a little goofy on when a transaction request has actually been processed and when you need to click on one more button.
167Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 19:52
nah, from what I can tell doug, you posted that on 12/30, but yahoo never processed the transaction.
Not sure if he was on waivers at that point or was just a FA but it appears he was a FA so I don't know why it didn't process. It looks like he was taken by slackjawed yokel on the first from the FA list.

So you must have thought you added him but actually didn't.
168Doug
      ID: 5611493018
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 21:04
Yeah, probably just human error on my part then... I appreciate the feedback. Bummer!
169Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 23:43
Kwame's out - to be re-evaluated in ten days to two weeks

I can't pick anyone up at the moment because Richardson is already on my IL as is Yao Ming. Richardson is set to return soon so when he does I will not have to drop a player.
170Zanyth
      ID: 448332616
      Sat, Jan 06, 2007, 18:31
Moving Bobby Jackson off IL since he played all of 9:31 then was hurting again, placing Rashard Lewis and Tyrone Lue on IL. I am not linking since they both have missed 8 straight games, if that is ok? Should leave me with one open slot that I will be filling.

Thanks
Z

171Pacers Rule
      ID: 2994977
      Tue, Jan 09, 2007, 00:43
Yeah, Z, that's the one exception we talked about - if they've missed 5 games due to injury, and both fit that bill.

Not to turn up the trading heat or anything, but Holt you may be on a 48 hour notice to dump a player now that Cuttino and Cassell both played tonight. ;-)
172Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Tue, Jan 09, 2007, 21:50
Trade accepted, Holt.

Shows on my team page as pending but does not show up on the league page yet for some reason.

I thought we had the 2 day wait to allow any league votes of protest...but how does that become possible if the trade doesn't show up? Perhaps it will show tomorrow on the site.

I hope the league doesn't vote to overturn it, considering how bad I fleeced you ;-)

Hey, anybody watch Kamla's fantasy show last night?
173Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Tue, Jan 09, 2007, 22:02
Ok, email notification.
174Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Thu, Jan 11, 2007, 00:48
who thinks I can make it above 7th position before this season is done... oih. Talk about a big hit with all those games lost from my big boys.. Well it was fun while it lasted. Never know, might be able to move up a bit.
175KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Jan 12, 2007, 20:16
Okay Josh Smith is playing tonight, so I'll switch him out of the IL and put Steve Francis there. He's rehabbing his knee in Houston and is out for the foreseeable future.
176Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 02:53
Well, Holt, I see JT styled you with a near Triple Dub, with 2 steals and 2 blocks to boot. I guess he wants to be accepted by his new fantasy teamates. Meanwhile, Devin Harris went off for 5 points and 2 assists on 25% shooting.

Oh well. At least Shaq finally joined the Heat. Maybe he finally cut back on the cheeseburgers.
177holt
      ID: 4602632
      Sat, Jan 13, 2007, 05:57
haha - yeah, I noticed harris' game. that may have been his worst game of the season.
178Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 811371220
      Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 01:03
I dropped Krstic, and replaced him on the IL with Jason Richardson, broken hand , and picked up Juan Dixon.
179Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 22:50
Probably obvious but Kwame and Shaq traded places on Holt's and my IL in the trade.
180holt
      ID: 590581711
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 15:45
hey PR, did you see the trade between me and slackjaw? just wondered when it would be processed.
181Pacers Rule
      ID: 591148321
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 18:45
Apologies if I held anything up on that. It says it will be effective this Friday.
182Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 12:28
Wells back.

Mo Williams out with a sprained shoulder.
183Trevor Sharpe
      ID: 49902220
      Sat, Jan 20, 2007, 12:30
West back, but Wally has been out for 5 games. Will drop someone when Wally comes back
184Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Jan 22, 2007, 22:32
Oooh. Mark L with Camby on the bench tonight. Ouch.

Double double already right after half.

Thanks, Mark. We need a little help catching you ;-)
185Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Jan 25, 2007, 21:58
Wow, Holt. What kind of hex did you put on Devin Harris?
186holt
      ID: 590581711
      Fri, Jan 26, 2007, 09:26
lol, I noticed that. that must be some nasty cold he has. and now that we're on the subject, I wanna know what slackjaw did to livingston before he shipped him over to me. argh.
187Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Jan 26, 2007, 23:56
Hey, look on the bright side. At least you kept Cassell! You were right to trust your gut on that.

Who was it that was trying to sneak Josh Howard away from me like he was some kind of late round fodder?

I took Iverson and Yao with my first two picks, and Still my FT% is in the toilet.

Need 3's anyone?? Threes for sale....
188tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 20:00
Imjuries injuries, I hope Jamison is not gone long.
189Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Feb 02, 2007, 00:11
Tell me about it. Yao's prognosis seems to worsen every week, Shaq finally played a game worth using, Josh Howard needs to miss 2 games for his wife to have a baby, Jason Williams seems to sit out or play like he did about every other game, Quentin Richardson came back finally only to hurt his elbow and play like dung. Oh well. Whatcha gonna do?
190tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Fri, Feb 02, 2007, 07:03
Jamison out

Dropped Peja, put Jamison on IR and will pick up someone.
191StomoDotCom
      ID: 910171618
      Sun, Feb 04, 2007, 11:29
Grant Hill Injured

So Walton comes off IL and Grant Hill goes back on.

In addition, Sean May also Injured

I am going to pick someone up in his place shortly.

Hill and May to the IL for now.
192KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Sun, Feb 11, 2007, 03:44
Steve Francis played tonight, so I dropped a player. Now my IL just has Mr. Boozer.
193Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Mon, Feb 12, 2007, 18:31
Baron Davis has missed 4, appears that he will miss at least several more, so I am going to IL him (this is from rotoworld, originally posted in the injury thread in the BB forum):

According to the Contra Costa Times, Baron Davis will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.

A team spokesman said the procedure is meant to "clean out debris" from Davis' left knee, which has had him on the shelf since Feb. 3. Though the spokesman said a best-case scenario would have Davis missing only a few games, he missed 20 games after undergoing surgery to repair torn cartilage in the same knee in January 2003. As fantasy owners know, Davis is one of the most injury-prone players in the league, and he'd already missed nine of the Warriors' 52 games this season. That number will almost definitely be closer to 20 games by the time Davis is considering a return to action.
Source: Contra Costa Times
194Pacers Rule
      ID: 2994977
      Tue, Feb 13, 2007, 00:40
Jason Williams has missed 7 games and is out with a torn abdominal muscle. I'll move him next to Yao on my IL. Not sure who to pick up yet.
195Pacers Rule
      ID: 2994977
      Tue, Feb 13, 2007, 19:33
Looks like Najera is my ticket to the #1 spot.
196Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Fri, Feb 16, 2007, 11:07
If anyone is looking for 3s... let me know. I'd be open to a Redd-for-Iguodala type move, except that I already own Iguodala! :)

3-point shooters on my team (avg per game):

Redd (2.0)
Stojakovic (2.6)
Tim Thomas (1.6)

(and possibly Billups @ 1.7, but you need to offer me assists in return... I'm not willing to lose assists)

Also, let's look for an even swap... don't offer me 2 so-so players for 1 good player, etc.
197tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Sat, Feb 17, 2007, 13:20
Doug is Stojavic coming back anytime soon?
198Pacers Rule
      ID: 167462222
      Sat, Feb 17, 2007, 18:46
3's for sale on my team as well. I just need blocks, boards, steals, assists and both percentages in return.
199Pacers Rule
      ID: 167462222
      Sat, Feb 17, 2007, 18:46
Oh yeah, if you could throw some points in too, that'd be nice.
200Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 00:25
Iverson played tonight, but now Radmanovic is out with a separated shoulder, possibly up to 8 weeks.
201Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 12:59
Wade is going to be out for at least six weeks. I will get a link if anyone needs backup for this. Right now too depressed to find one, let alone pick anyone up.
202Pacers Rule
      ID: 2994977
      Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 22:06
I understand. I saw the replays. He was in some serious pain.
203Pacers Rule
      ID: 2994977
      Thu, Feb 22, 2007, 22:14
J.R. Smith is out for four weeks. Yippee.
204Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 02:30
tommyd...

Redd is already back (and hit 6 tres last night)... Peja is a question mark still, but he's back on the court shooting at least.

Redd, Thomas, and MAYBE Billups are all 3 point shooters who are healthy and available right now.
205tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 11:14
Yeah I let Peja go from all reports they figured he would be out all season.
206Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 11:16
Seems Peja has been back injury plagued the last two seasons. Once you start having consistent problems with your back, it's not a good sign for the future.
207Doug
      ID: 13115289
      Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 10:17
Another "six 3-pointer" performance from Redd... and yet I still haven't got a single mention of interest from anyone. Should I stop trying to trade in this league?
208Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 23:13
How about RBs... anyone interested in one of my Cs (Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler, etc.) or Dirk?

I'm not looking for depth, so please no offers of 2 "good players" for Dirk... let's keep the quality/quantity even (unless you want 3 of my players for 2 of yours, etc.)
209Flying Polack
      ID: 561145319
      Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 09:20
Doug - I need 3's. Willing to trade just about anyone, make me an offer.
210tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 08:20
Activated Jamison dropped Salmons.
211Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Wed, Mar 07, 2007, 09:01
Baron's back; I dropped Pavlovic.
212Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 20:12
Earl Boykins has missed 8 consecutive games, and is said to be out for three weeks. So, I picked up Swift.
213Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 14:48
Hope the third time's the charm for Rajon Rondo.
214Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 15:09
Will approve the trade when the website is working! Or it could be my access is limited at my current location.
215Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Mar 12, 2007, 21:59
Apologies for not noticing earlier Zanyth's retention of players on IL after they returned to playing. I attribute this to inattention, rather than willful misconduct. Interestingly, he checked in on his team this morning but did not cut anyone. I brought his team into compliance this evening. Not that anyone would want the players that were released. They were on his bench anyway.
216holt
      ID: 590581711
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 05:57
i'm behind a few days here.
kwame brown is back, but joe johnson is out indefinitely, so no move is required.
johnson out : (
217Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:33
Yeah, I knew about Johnson. That's a big loss. Hopefully he'll play some more for you yet this season.
218Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 11:42
Weird, I thought I processed the trade last night.
It came up again on my team page as needing approval today. This time when I clicked 'accept' it went through.
219Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 23:27
J.R. Smith seeing a few minutes. Cut Joe Smith.
220Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 04:04
I am willing to move some boards for steals and/or assists... anyone is available... but Dirk, Al Jefferson, Tyson Chandler are my 'big 3'.
221Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:17
FT% for sale!

Anyone interested in Starbury? Glad I stuck with him. He's been a stud as of late.

I'd like steals most and blocks.
222Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 21:18
3's also for sale.
223tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 19:46
Okafor has been out for more than 5 games now picked up Anthony Parker.
224Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 18:01
Bogut out for season with foot injury
225Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 08:31
Kapono on IR w/ ankle injury
226Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 01:17
Quentin Richardson has now missed 5 straight.

Picked up Renaldo Balkman

Picked up Walter Hermann for Bogut who's supposedly out for the season.
227holt
      ID: 590581711
      Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 04:49
ah man what's that stench? oh yeah, it's my team. it's like they all know they're on a team together. the ones that aren't hurt are all playing like garbage now. even Marion. it's like they're a real team, and I'm a real coach who is about to be fired.
228holt
      ID: 590581711
      Sun, Apr 08, 2007, 05:40
ahhh, baseball is here.
229tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 07:48
Added Brad Miller for Mike Miller who has been out for more than 5 games.
230Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 10:20
Dropped Foster although Yahoo says AK47 may miss the rest of the
year.
231Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 23:20
So, Knicksfan, I wonder if one of these years you are finally going to get all your games played. I wonder what your rank would be if you used all your games!
232Doug
      ID: 422281412
      Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 01:23
I've been plastered by injuries this week... aside from the various players I've dropped, I've currently got Jefferson and Watson on my IL (and a couple other guys still on roster not playing!)

Rotowire on Jefferson as of 4/6: Jefferson (knee) will be held out of this weekend's games, the Boston Herald reports. Jefferson may be shut down for the remainder of the season, as the Celtics seem to be tanking the season's final few games, combined with the fact that his knee has been giving him problems for weeks.

Rotowire on Watson as of 4/10: Watson (sprained left ankle) is not likely to play in the next three games, the Seattle Times reports.
233Pacers Rule
      ID: 463331216
      Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 18:48
Wow, Doug. You look to be going for a record team turnover. You feel like Skiles' Bulls. Maybe in a couple years, your team will be good too ;-)
234tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Mon, Apr 16, 2007, 09:12
Added Varejoa for Ridnour who has missed 5 games.
235tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 18:14
Wow this is coming down to the last night basically whoever gets more steals between me and Flying Polack although if Stromo catches me for points and I get more steals we tie. Good luck to all.
236Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 18:29
tommyd, you have made a great stretch run. Thought that FP was going to get you when you had the big games played advantage but you have hung in and more.

Good luck to both of you in tonight's battle. It's been a fun year.
237Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 05:08
Wow! A photo finish. Amazing how a season can come down to three more steals meaning the win.

What was it with steals? I though I was on top of that most of the season, then there was a mid-season surge, and I dropped like 4 spots and stayed there and could not catch back up. That was a very closely contested category, esp at the top.
238holt
      ID: 50340153
      Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 06:09
congrats tommyd. good luck in rihc next season.
239Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 03601149
      Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 07:19
Congrats to tommyd -- this was one of the most exciting Roto
endgame dogfights I have witnessed.
240tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 09:27
Thanks to everyone. I must say this was the most exciting finish I've seen. All my pickups in the last few weeks were to try and win the steals cat as that was the only way I could catch FP. Luckily I just made it, and on to the big show next year. Again great year from everyone.
241Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 09:33
Congrats Tommyd! Nice finish, I don't think I've ever lost by 0.5 points before. We'll have our rematch in the RIHC next year!
242Urmas
      ID: 44411285
      Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 01:52
Congrats Tommyd! Thanks everybody for the exiting season!
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