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Game sites:     TSN Hoops     Progressive Sports Challenge     Sandbox     Yahoo! Basketball 0 Subject: AAA#2 2007-8 Posted by: WonderB - Sustainer [241053812] Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 09:34 TheWonderboy@sympatico.ca 1 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 10:18 Is it here where I have to sign up? :) 2 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 10:28 Checking in...thanks for commishing the league Wonderboy. 3 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 11:27 deejay tree pending... wolfer xpdermind weycool slowhand pending... CJ wonderB aggy stomodotcom 8 confirmed 2 pending qualification. 4 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:17 so we need two more anyway? 5 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:22 Yeah...it looks like 12 to a league. 6 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:26 btw talked to Weykool, he's in for sure, he's at work right now... 7 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 17:28 there have been two decliners getting tree and deejay in. pacers rule has said he is a 'probably not' of sorts. we will wait for urmas to answer but i have no addy for him and my searches have come up short. the next on the list after urmas is CJ to take pacers spot. 8 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 17:35 finally found an addy for urmas. 9 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 18:03 'on the clock' draft has been requested. i'll email the 'confirmed' in a couple days when it all gets set up. also i will useing... ian_gallaugher@yahoo.ca ...for contacting everyone. 10 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 22:13 WonderB, Thanks for taking lead. I have no problem helping out with posting the standings. I ususally do it 4-5 times during the season. Just let me know when you want them posted. If I understood PR's post correctly , he will play except that he might time out during the draft. I might also. I have limited internet access at work. Shouldn't be a problem on the weekends. 11 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 22:58 I'll be around and will be able to take queues except for Tuesdays and some Thursdays. 12 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 23:38 I'm usually around for being a DP also....that's one of the best things about a Kafenatid draft; queues and designated pickers. 13 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 05:15 I too am around most of the time, except week-ends(then less) (And Europe).... 14 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 09:59 i kind of took PR as saying he would probably not. "time out and let someone take my spot". anyway i will give him a few more days to decide. lion, doug tequila need to be given a chance to be heard from anyway. timeline. a slow draft is accaptable, i assume that is what people are expecting. i will try hard to get the draft started next week. we can start as soon as everyone is ready, this weekend even. i will target wednesday but will not be worried if we don't get it going by saterday oct 13. two weeks is all it should take based on experience so this sould get us 15 rounds picked under the deadline of oct 31. i will send you all details as soon as i get them re signing in to kefeantid/yahoo. kefenatid is the only one i have to wait for an answer from the site. yahoo can be made once the final rules are decided on. i am refering to the DL spots. when i commished last year i kind of directed the league away from DL's because i was worried i would not have the time to oversee it all. not so is the case this year. i'll have time to make sure it all runs smoothly. so, i'm happy with following the rules set out in the RIHC 2007-8:lets get started thread. the other choice is simplifying. delete the DL's and add a regular bench slot and recruit a 16th the player from the waiver wire. if no one speaks up i will go with the DL's. 15 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 10:24 im fine with either really. we added a 16th player last year i believe, but the year b4 that , i played in a league with DL's, so im familiar with both. 16 Doug       ID: 53937413       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 15:39 I'm in. 18 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 15:57 deejay tree xpdermind weykool slowhand wonderB aggy stomodotcom Doug 9 comfirmed 2 pending 19 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 21:47 WonderB, you understood me correctly. Urmas was in the league I commished last year (RIHC AAA East) and was a great member. He lives in Europe and had do do most of his draft by queue due to time zone and sleeping issues. But he was always ready. I have sent him an email about this league. Since I still have a few more days to decide per our commish, I'll hang on to my spot for the moment- though if delaying a final decision a few days is going to create problems for an AA league that is chomping at the bit to get rolling with a final roster (or ours), please let me know and I'll try to finalize being in or out. I actually would prefer a fast draft if we could find a time. I'd be available evenings most Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, all day Saturdays, and after lunch on Sundays. Also, we did the DL system or "IS" as Guru calls it in AAA East last year and it worked pretty much no maintenance. I think I had to make roster changes only once all season and that was due to manager inactivity when a player came of the IL and the manager forgot to drop him. 20 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 21:56 #19 clarification. Urmas actually had to use a queue "to do" his draft - as opposed to having "do do" for his draft, LOL. 21 tree on the treo       ID: 40842210       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 22:20 regarding a draft...from oct 19 to oct 25 I am going to be largely unavailable...i can do what I can, but my access will be limited as ill be on vacation in sanfran with my girl and out and about.... I'd love a fast draft, personally, either before or after that date.... 22 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 23:01 Are we talking a yahoo live draft? We can even sign up on NBA.com and set the timer for each pick. e.g. instead of 90 sec we can set it for 2,3,4,5 min a pick. I would rather draft 16 players instead of a an extra bench spot. 23 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 23:08 i would be up for a fast draft. however doug has stated a preference for a slow due to time constraints. Doug? if we get started by this week we would have a serious chunk done if not finished by the 19th. at most you may only have to leave a Q for the final round or two. 24 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 23:19 This week is too soon. isn't it?...I haven't done my homework yet:) 25 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 23:35 I'm also in no particular rush to start the draft, either. Then again, if I haven't committed to playing, perhaps I've made enough suggestions :-). A live draft would make it much easier for me to play. The slow draft seems to be such an incredible time hog for those two weeks. Seems Guru still wanted us to use Kafenatid's 'On the Clock' software but I'm not sure if he would feel the same way if we were going to use a live draft. FWIW my experience with yahoo live drafts has been positive. Never tried nba.com's. Heard "on the clock" wasn't designed for live drafts, but it is cool for the ability to swap picks, pause the draft clock for such things, etc. Don't see why it wouldn't work. 26 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 23:57 I'd much prefer a slow draft at Kafenatid....kind of the standard for RIHC I think, what with rationales and all.I have done several live drafts on Yahoo and they do work well, but not the same flavor and strategy of a slow draft IMHO. Re: the DL/IS/16th slot I think we should follow the Guru's lead in as many areas as possible being as we are a qualifying league. I guess that's part of the reason I prefer a slow draft too. 27 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 01:11 I prefer a slow draft at Kaf. Half of the fun of D&T is the drafting. Like XP, I have not had time to do my homework and would like to put it off as long as possible. I would prefer the extra bench spot and bypass the need to scour other sites for a player being injured or not. However, this should be the commish's decision as the work would fall on his shoulders. In closing...I would like to thank Wonder for stepping up and taking the bull by the horns. 28 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 05:28 I also prefer a slow draft at Kafenatid,defenitely. Yahoo's live drafts work well, but it just aint the same. It neither wont be easy to get everyone together at a certain moment. 29 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 08:40 tree. i'm sure we could accomidate. you will have limited access?, would you be able to check it once a day? i can pause the draft for your turn if you can make it to a computer once a day even. with the Que system there as well can you get it done?. i would not expect anyone to leave a big 2 round que but 3,4,5 players is reasonable. also: the slow drafters and the pro DL/IS are looking stonger. reguarding the DL, if you are successfull in this league you will have to do it guru's way next year. i think slowhand has a point (post 26). in the AAs we can monkey with the rules a bit more maybe. for weykools concern rotoworld news and rotoworld injuries report just about everything worth mentioning. they do a great job of The Scouring for you. i read these everyday myself. so a simple post here of 'as per rotoworld my guy is hurt' maybe with a quick copy and paste of the relevent text. in some cases you may only have to say 'i have camby' and we will all know what you mean and intend to do :) fast draft: pacer if another league was started with a definite fast draft date and time right from the beggining i would play it too. the sunday 21st would have to be AM (north amarica EST) and sunday 28th i am in another draft already. but now is a difficult time to try and accomidate everyone. i'd be willing to try but with (i think) at least one 'euro member time difference' and tree's date restrictions it would already be tough to find what i believe would have to be a weekend date to please everyone. 30 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 09:07 Looks like you are going to make a good commish, WonderB. Thanks for doing it. As far as a separate fast draft non-RIHC league, if we did some kind of weekly transaction league, that would be lighter on the workload and fun for a second alternate experience. I have had fun in those formats with H2H since it's just a different approach/strategy than Roto. 31 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 10:10 could get permission to call it AA#3. 32 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 11:15 i've sent out the kefenatid info to the confirmed players. let me know if you didn't recive it. ian_gallaugher@yahoo.ca 33 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 14:12 A slow draft would be okay with me, just as long as we don't start too early. I'd pretty much agree with whenever you guys want to start it, though my preference is that it not be too early. Perhaps something late next week would seem reasonable, if not in 2 weeks? 34 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:13 i am sending out another email to our missing in action. lion and tequila.. and pacer too. i guess i will put on a deadline of monday afternoon 1:00pm EST. i am away for the weekend anyway and this should be more than enough time. i am still targeting a wednesday start. leaving it much later might put us in a tight spot given Tree's time constraints. look at your first couple round picks this weekend. by next weekend sat 13th i do hope to be that far. we still have to randomize the order. then in that randomized order pick our prefered placement in the draft. this also seems to take a couple days just to complete. there will still be plenty of lead up time to the start of the draft. 35 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:47 while i'm on the subject of the randomization: i will take the initial order directly from time of signup as listed above (currently post 18). i will insert additions as needed example: CJ right after slowhand like post 3. i will take the first 2 sets of randomized numbers 1 to 12 from random.org that are emailed to me at ian_gallaugher@yahoo.ca applying the numbers as such:3 8 4 7 2 6 5 9 1 deejay 3 tree 8 xpdermind 4 weykool 7 slowhand 2 wonderB 6 aggy 5 stomodotcom 9 Doug 1 new order doug slowhand deejay xpdermind aggy wonderb weykool tree stomodotcom then applying the second random set in the same manner to come up with the final "Order of Draft Placement Choice" 36 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 21:08 We're starting too early though. Preseason begins tomorrow, and come Wednesday, that's too soon. 37 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 21:59 we started the draft before the first game of the preseason last year and didn't finish more than a week ahead of the deadline. we have a known issue with tree that i would like to try to accomadate. he is gone and has limited access for 7 days right in the middle of the expected timeline. my highest priority is just to make sure we get this thing in by opening night. 38 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 22:46 I'm never a fan of a draft this early, but if it's whats best the league, then thats fine. 39 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:08 From the looks of it, getting our managers list finalized and setting the draft order might take some time. Any thoughts on the draft clock: 6 or 8 hrs? Another question: if you draft an injured player,EB for example, do you have to wait 10 games before you can place him on your DL ? 40 Guru       ID: 330592710       Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:09 Let me chime in on that one. If you draft an injured player, you can place him in an injured slot as soon as the draft is complete. The 10-day wait only applies to post-draft player additions. 41 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:12 Thanks Guru. 42 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 12:17 we will start with 8 hrs. didn't have a problem with this last year. tequila is in. deejay tree xpdermind weykool slowhand wonderB aggy stomodotcom Doug Tequila 43 Tree       ID: 53912711       Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 13:26 ok, i'm in. i was out of town Friday through this morning... as for the time i'm gone, i'll do what i can. i do know that from Friday Oct 19 until probably the afternoon of Oct 20 i will have almost no access. the pro wrestling company i work for on weekends is making its west coast debut that day, and i'll be landing in vegas just in time to get to the venue and get things going. i fly to SanFran the next morning, and will have a few hours before my girlfriend comes into town, and i promised her i wouldn't spend all weekend doing fantasy sports. :o) so, i'll check when i can, and try to leave queues and instructions. it shouldn't be awful as far as access, but it will certainly be limited... 44 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 21:26 Against my wife's better judgment, I'm in :-) I guess with Urmas (post 67) that makes a full division. Sorry for the delay in declaring. 45 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 23:42 deejay tree xpdermind weykool slowhand wonderB aggy stomodotcom PENDING... Urmas Doug Tequila Pacers rule 11 confirmed. we will have a full boat at 1:00 tomorrow. either with LionPrideGuy or urmas assuming he is still waiting. still no answer from LPG either way. pacer goes in at 11 when he confirmed intent to play. urmas may/would insert below stomodotcom bumbing the last three down. 46 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:16 cant wait to start seeing the other league drafting already. :) 47 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:23 We should be fine. In Footbal we drafted 350 players in less than two weeks. We are only drafting 192 for hoops. Wonder: One of the things the comish did was to set up the league and let managers pick up thier players as Free Agents while the draft was in progress. This meant less work for the comish to worry about at the close of the draft. Just a suggestion. 48 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 13:27 deejay tree xpdermind weykool slowhand wonderB aggy stomodotcom Urmas Doug Tequila Pacers rule if two people can send me random sequences i will give you your choice order. @47, i'll input everything afterwards.i tried to do it that way last year and it caused more problems than it solved. mostly the 3 day wait for waiver pickups disappeared at the beggining. 49 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 13:52 i need one more sequence as per post 35. 50 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 16:16 12-3-4-1-9-10-7-2-6-11-8-5 deejay sent at 1:31pm EST 12 2 8 11 4 9 5 1 10 7 3 6 stomodotcom sent at 3:38pm giving us Tequila stomodotcom Doug Pacers rule aggy deejay wonderB tree Urmas slowhand xpdermind weykool where would you like your draft spot to be tequila. 52 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 22:07 wonderB Am I missing something? Given your original line up in post 48 and after the 1st set of numbers:12-3-4-1-9-10-7-2-6-11-8-5 the line up should look like: 1 Pacers rule 2 xpdurmind 3 weykool 4 deejay 5 Urmas 6 Doug 7 aggy 8 tree 9 wonderB 10 Tequila 11 stomodotcom 12 slowhand After the second set, 12 2 8 11 4 9 5 1 10 7 3 6 it should look like: 1 slowhand 2 xpdurmind 3 tree 4 stomodotcom 5 deejay 6 wonderB 7 Urmas 8 Pacers rule 9 Tequila 10 aggy 11 weykool 12 Doug What Am I missing? 53 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 23:03 ya you did it a different way. i layed it out in post 35 to try and be clear. you took pacer from the 12th spot and brought him to 1st for the second sequence. i put the 12 beside deejay which pulled him down to 12th for the second sequence. then put the 6 beside him as the last number in the last sequence which gave him a position of 6th. this may or may not be the way guru does it but its the way that made sense to me at the time. i wanted to lay it out before the sequences were emailed to me and i just happened to end up with the first pick. 54 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 23:22 Yes, I believe that's the way Guru and these boards have been doing it for years. Given the original line up in post 48 and after the 1st set of numbers: 12-3-4-1-9-10-7-2-6-11-8-5 the line up became: deejay -> 12 tree -> 3 xpdermind -> 4 weykool -> 1 ...etc. weykool now being the the 1st slot gets the corresponding 1st value from the second list of numbers (12). Similarly deejay is at the end of the list after this first set of numbers, so he gets reassigned to the last value from the 2nd set of numbers (which is 6). 55 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 23:34 It makes sense now. I was just trying to get a better position :) 4 RHIC drafts with a draft position no better than 10th ;) 56 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 00:14 I'm pretty sure I've never had fourth choice (or better) before in RIHC so I'm pretty pumped myself. I think I was 11th the last two years- so I thought your draft ordering system made perfect sense to me, WonderB. 57 Tequila       ID: 599293       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 05:02 well if i still am at #1 spot i can confirm you i'll take the privilege to open the draft with the first pick this year. :) 58 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 05:40 and were moving yeah. 59 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 07:44 stomo left instructions. what a great guy. he will take 2nd. 60 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 08:12 so far: 1. Tequila 2. Stromodotcom 3. 4 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Doug is up... 61 Doug       ID: 53937413       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 18:31 Sorry kept checking yesterday and then forgot about it this AM... I'll take 3. 62 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 19:20 1. Tequila 2. Stromodotcom 3. Doug 4 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Pacers is up. 64 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 21:24 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4 5. 6. Pacers Rule 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 65 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 22:51 can wee keep it rolling?... aggy you're up. 66 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 04:18 This is getting rediculous. 67 deejay       ID: 2499102       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 05:06 I agree if we keep this pace up, we're done by X-mas. 68 Tree       ID: 52926104       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 06:30 this is the easiest part of the draft. not a ton of thought process involved. a bit of strategy, but it's not as if you're choosing between two players. i think we need a clock. it's that simple. between the hours of 9 am and midnight eastern (6 am and 9 pm west coast), you have 2 hours to make your pick. otherwise, you'll be put in the highest available slot. we will be done by tomorrow morning if we do that. 69 deejay       ID: 2499102       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 06:51 I go out for an hour now, should aggy have picked, i'll pick the moment i am back. 70 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 07:19 for some reason this always takes a while. it did last year too. people are not in the right mode yet. anyway, not too worried, after talking with tree i've gone back to my original timeline. target today but not panicing if it doesn't get started by saterday. 71 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:21 i've sent out the yahoo invites. let me know if you didn't get it. note: i will open the draft (but not start the clock) right after we pick the draft order and send out another email to all. i will start the clock after everyone has checked in and tequila (euro time) has made his first pick/checked in. the clock is set to 8 hrs to start. there will be a pause nightly EST 11pm to 7am. i was going to make it 10 to 6am but shifted it an hour closer to west coast time. that just leaves tequila but i think he said last year he is used to dealing with the time difference. good luck. 72 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:27 dont forget about me wonderb, i am europe n·2... :) didnt recieve the invite yet... 73 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:41 resent. yahoo is being weird about confirming the list i sent it to. if it doesn't work this time i may have to send it one at a time i guess. did you get it this time? 74 Tree       ID: 3533298       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:49 i dont think i got the yahoo invite... and its been more than 12 hours. this process really shouldn't take more than a day... i don't necessarily need to start drafting, but with me having limited access for a week, knowing *where* i'm drafting will help me make queues and stuff, and in the process, make the draft more streamlined... 75 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:53 nope didnt recieve it, recieved a clock change of kafenatid, but no yahoo stuff, and i am with tree, its been about 19hours come on. 76 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:55 oops should say 13hours my bad. 77 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:57 i think i got it this time. i just have to follow the instuctions. 78 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:58 recieved it, thanks WB. 79 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 11:41 i hate making decisions like this. i've emailed aggy about this. i'll have to give him at least untill tonight i think. i emailed at 11 am, half hour ago. lets say 8hrs from then i will just give him 4th spot. 7pm est. 80 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 11:52 I think we need to seriously consider looking for a replacement. If it takes this long to pick the draft order then it doesnt bode well for the draft moving at a steady pace. In the one E-mail I recieved it said something about allowing managers to make thier player selections right now. We need to have the draft order set before Tequila makes his first pick. IMO. 81 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 11:58 no,once this order is set i will open the draft with no clock untill everyone is checked in - then start the clock. aggy was in my league last year and i don't remember him being a problem during the draft, nobody was that i remember. 82 Tree       ID: 3533298       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:13 i hate making decisions like this. i've emailed aggy about this. i'll have to give him at least untill tonight i think. i emailed at 11 am, half hour ago. lets say 8hrs from then i will just give him 4th spot. 7pm est. what? 12 hours isn't enough? we need to give someone 20? people shouldn't depend on other to notify them when it is their turn for something. it always boggles my mind that people are fully aware there is activity brewing, yet they can't check in a couple times a day. 83 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:13 Wonder cant you shorten that, right after him I'm up, and really had hoped to be in bed by then. (2am it will be here in 8h) 85 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:23 edit post 84: I am not sure I agree on handing #4 to aggy in 8hours(or what gets decided), not saying I am opposed to it, but would like to hear what other managers think. 86 Tree       ID: 3533298       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:38 i say we either hand it to him, or we skip him. but not in 8 hours. more like, 2. 87 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 13:02 i'll split the difference. 3pm here. 10pm for deejay. but we can't skip him. i'll at least give him highest available, there is no other way to make a choice. 2 hrs from now, will that suit DJ. 88 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 13:14 thanks a lot Wonder, that is perfect, ill be here then,you have my word.... so we can keep moving. 89 Tree       ID: 3533298       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 13:58 i'm heading out of my office at 3 for a dentist appt. so if it comes up to me, i don't see myself home before 7... 90 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:00 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. 6. Pacers Rule 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 91 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:04 my wife is waiting so i'll just say i'll take the highest available after deejay. back in an hour. 92 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:08 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. deejay 6. Pacers Rule 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 93 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:09 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. deejay 6. Pacers Rule 7. WonderB 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. tree you still there? 94 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:21 I'm out for a while;should be back @ 7 and since tree won't pick til then I shouldn't hold things up. 95 Urmas @ home       ID: 5429313       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 15:40 I'll be gone for 10 hours or so (asleep). I sent instructions about what spot to pick for me to Slowhand and WonderB. 96 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 17:17 FWIW, if expectations were not made explicit with regard to timeframes for selecting draft order, I can see how Aggy could feel shafted after a decision was made on his behalf. If he requests a different slot, obviously that will be up to you WonderB but I could see his point. I understand commish agony, WonderB - obviously you had a lot of pressure WonderB to pick for him and you made the best decision as you saw it. That's why you get paid the big bucks (or in the case of Kafenatid.net registration, PAY the big bucks!) All I'm saying fellas, and I don't even know Aggy, is who knows if he has had a temporary internet outage or illness or family emergency or...whatever. Might I suggest in the spirit of RIHC that we all CHILL as opposed to calling for ousters already. Oh, and another thing. I'd prefer that my handle remains bolded in all subsequent posts if no one has an issue with that. :-) I have a meeting tonight that starts soon and I won't be back until after 9 pm, so if somehow this draft gets rolling, I won't pick before then. I think it would be cool if even when we're not up we'll be somewhat net connected and attentive to the goings on to allow for trade offers and such without too much delay. Depending on who is still available at pick 6, I may be willing to move down a slot or two. 97 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 17:28 Wow, it is getting heated in here... To be honest, I thought Wonder B was sending an e-mail when I was up, I saw the one about Doug being up late yesterday and I didn't think it was my turn. I did get an e-mail in the late morning and I was away from my computer for the past 5 hours. Don't worry about me for the draft, I have been in Rotoguru leagues for 2 years and I draft timely. I guess the #4 pick is fine with me. Thanks. 98 Tree       ID: 509171017       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 19:18 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. deejay 6. Pacers Rule 7. WonderB 8. Tree 9. 10. 11. 12. sorry guys, just got back in... 99 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 19:25 I'm back and have Urmas' instructions so as soon as Tree picks I'll post ours. I'll be checking in regularly tonite. 100 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 19:27 lol...Urmas would like pick 12...I will take pick 9 101 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 19:29 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. deejay 6. Pacers Rule 7. WonderB 8. Tree 9. Slowhand 10. 11. 12.Urmas to make it official 102 xpdurmind       ID: 451522617       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 21:06 10 103 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 21:11 1. Tequila 2. Stomodotcom 3. Doug 4. Aggy 5. deejay 6. Pacers Rule 7. WonderB 8. Tree 9. Slowhand 10. Xpdurmind 11.Weykool 12.Urmas 104 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 22:10 i would like to remind everyone to be very carfull when selecting your players name from the kefenatid list. there are at least two players with the same name and so many williams out there i urge you to always double check before you press submit. there is a tradition in RIHC post thoughts about your pick 2 rounds later. i will start a new thread for this. BUT i don't know if it is nesseccary to make it manditory. i would like everyone to keep in mind their thoughts for a final review. guru posts instructions and questions for this. i find it interesting to see what others thought of events. also interesting to go back and see these at the end of the year. maybe learn from our mistakes. oh and also on a side note, our kefenatid bill was paid today so we won't run into the same problem as AAA#1. Doh. tee hee. good luck everyone 105 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 22:41 Stomodotcom, I'm assuming you're registered under snlf411 at kafenatid ? you can be my designated picker. Thanks for offering. I will need it during workhours. Please make sure that if you use my queue that it is for one round only. 106 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 23:12 Xpdurmind, Yup that's me. No problem, I'll pick if your not around. And queues for one round only so no worries. 107 Tequila       ID: 38941110       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 02:41 I made my pick as i'll be away for a couple of days, i should be back at 6pm cet on friday, i hope you can wait til that. 108 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 07:00 Nice first pick. For me, still the clear choice. Ugh, Queue management is not going to work so hot for me on the way down, since WonderB you are always able to see all active queues, and you may be the person I'm interested in trading picks with. That's not going to work so hot if you see who I plan on picking! I'll be able to check in by 5:00 tonight. Man- stinks not having access during the workday. WonderB, if you want to email me the first five picks if/when it gets to me today, I may be able to manage my situation via email, if you are willing to post my trade request at that point. Maybe we could deal with it sooner - Tree and WonderB, would either of you be interested in trading up to pick 6 this round? I'd be looking to move up to your pick in even rounds probably in round 2 and another round later in the draft. For me, my interest in doing this will depend on who is available at pick six. 109 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 07:53 i can't see anyones queue untill it is actually his turn to pick, along with any desegnated picker. doug has a queue i can tell but i can't see what it is yet. when it is his turn i can only see the top name although that is an option you need to set and can change. just to be clear. my 6mo old has a Docters appointment in a couple hours but otherwize i'll be around to talk. 110 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 09:13 WonderB, We have no time limit on the draft clock? 111 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 09:37 still 3-4 haven't checked in. no clock till then 112 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:07 I see Doug's left a queue for the #3 spot and left me as a designated picker. Should I go on and pick? 113 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:09 he left me one too, stomo... so i guess we can pick... 114 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:11 I don't see why not... I think the clock just won't start til everyone has checked in. 115 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 10:14 ok done, aggy is up... 116 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:21 I know you can't see my queue until I'm up. However, since you can see my pick or picks, depending on my choice, and you are the next person to pick after me in our order and I'm looking to trade with you possibly, it kind of defeats the purpose of the trade offer, since you can see who I am picking and if it's not your guy, then why in the world would you trade picks with me....see what I mean? Not the end of the world, but it's just an unfortunate consequence of the way Kafenatid.net has the draft set up - with the commish as an automatic designated picker. I thought I might be up by now, but I see that I'm not. It will be late afternoon for me until I can get back, though I do still have email access if anyone wants to check in that way. 117 Doug       ID: 53937413       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:27 Yeah I'll be using queues a lot since I can't check the site as frequently as I'd like. I'll try to keep 'em current. I tend to put the people picking 2-3 before/after me as DP's for two reasons... one they can make their pick immediately after/before making their own (especially if others are using queues, sometimes there's like 3 picks in a row), and secondly it gives the upcoming guys a reminder that they're about to be on the clock and to get their pick ready. 118 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:39 i am here will pick in few minutes 119 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:42 and pacer is up... 120 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 12:50 i've let pacer know. he emailed just a few mins ago so stay tuned. 121 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 13:13 pacer takes steve nash. 123 Tree       ID: 3533298       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 13:36 just got out of a meeting. let me catch up, do a tad of research, and will pick in a few minutes.... 124 Slowhand-at work       ID: 16532417       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 15:24 Pick made...xpdurmind is up 125 xpdurmind       ID: 451522617       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:06 I'm unable to access kafenatid from work. I have no clue who's still available. But i left a queue. Hopefully you guys left me Kobe :) 126 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 17:17 1.01 Kevin Garnett PF BOS Tequila 1.02 Shawn Marion SF PHO Snlf411 1.03 Kobe Bryant SG LAL Stray Doug 1.04 Lebron James SG CLE jeffaggy 1.05 Dirk Nowitzki C DAL deejay 1.06 Steve Nash PG PHO Pacers Rule 1.07 Gilbert Arenas PG WAS TheWonderboy 1.08 Amare Stoudemire C PHO Tree 1.09 Tim Duncan C SAS Slowhand 1.10 Yao Ming C HOU xpdurmind 1.11 Jason Kidd PG NJN Rob Thayer 1.12 Pau Gasol PF MEM Urmas 2.01 Dwyane Wade PG MIA Urmas 2.02 Chris Paul PG NOR Rob Thayer do you want your queue pick put in there. 127 xpdurmind       ID: 451522617       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 18:02 I need some time. I'm at work.. My queue was only good for the 1st pick. and I didn't enable the free form. I was able to access kafenatid from work before...hmmm 128 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 18:21 that,s what i thought. i emailed you the list too. 129 xpdurmind       ID: 451522617       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 19:10 I'll take Vice Carter. if you can pick him for me... 130 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 19:18 done 131 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 19:43 picked...Tree is up 132 Tree       ID: 459161119       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:16 picked. i knew my pick would come up during the small window tonight with no computer access. :o) 133 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:34 around, wasn't quite ready, will pick tonight 134 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:43 cool so i can pick and get some sleep(almost 4am here) :) 135 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:55 ok guys, bedtime, left a Q, weykool is the DP, only round #2 please. 136 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 23:49 Dang, this choice about killed me. Between 2 guys - and I didn't take the player my gut told me to. Settling with the 'safe' pick isn't a feel good but At least I probably didn't hurt myself with this pick. 137 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 23:51 Queue left. 138 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 02:36 136, that's what you think :) 139 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:04 I left an 11 player queue so I should be good for round 3. And as always it is only qood for 1 round(3). I'll chek in around lunch time, but I will be in meetings this afternoon and might not have access until 7 PM PST. WonberB thanks for the updates yesterday. If it comes back to me in round 4, can you please post the picks made here again? 140 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 11:09 Looks like my Queue will be chewed up well before it gets back to my pick. Aggy nice pick. Let's hope all the talk about his improved shooting is more than talk. That was what kept me away. 141 Tequila       ID: 19961210       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:06 i'm back, i just picked #2.12 and #3.01 142 Tree       ID: 3533298       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 14:57 so, where the heck is everyone today?? 143 Doug       ID: 53937413       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 15:29 Dunno... seems odd that snlf didn't leave a queue if he was going to be out... after his last pick he knew there were only 2 picks until he was up again (and since it's the turn, only 1 manager). I can't imagine those picks would have affected his decision... just put in a 3-man queue and you're good to go. *shrug* I've got a 1-man queue in place and am still deciding on who my plan B is (between a few guys). If I make a decision on it, I'll stick that guy in the queue as well... so feel free to pick for me if you see a name. 144 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 15:53 im here, just picked for doug. aggy is up now. 145 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 15:56 Sorry all. I would've posted but the browser was down and was at a friends house picking (that's picking AND trying to choose who to take). Otherwise I would've left a queue. Sorry again for the hold up. 146 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 18:29 So are we setting up a separate rationale thread? I can't wait to explain my mastermind strategy. 147 Urmas @ home       ID: 5429313       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 19:04 When I picked my draft spot I didn't realize how much this spot actually limits using queues. Normally when queue is left it's for one round only. In my spot, however, leaving queue for just one round is not much help. But the queue I leave now is for two rounds (3 and 4). I rather not take two players playing the same position with those picks, but if that's what my queue shows, so be it. 148 Tree       ID: 239571217       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 20:00 i don't think there is any problem with leaving instructions here, saying specifically "i've left a queue for the next two rounds. do not take two players of the same position...." of course, you have to be more specific, because, you might have two guys at the top of your queue that yahoo lists as a SG/SF, and taking both of them isn't necessarily taking two guys at the same position... 149 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 20:41 im gonna do some sleeping, since it would require a 12-men Q, I think its ok to not worry and check in the (european) morning. 150 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:56 Just got home. Saw that I'm up and that no one has picked for me for the past 2 hrs... Amazingly enough there are 3 players left in my queue. Not the the ones I was hoping for though. I will make my own pick in a bit. Got to get some dinner 1st. 151 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:06 I'd have picked if I was a picker. 152 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:35 I'll add you PR. I will be around this weekend though, and won't need it till Monday. I ended up picking someone not in my queue ;) Weykool is up... 153 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 01:06 XP is up again. 154 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 01:13 Jermo and Baron. A couple of high risk injury picks. Im a little disappointed that someone took Camby. When you are drafting an all-injured team it just doesnt feel right without Mr "my pinky hurts I think I will sit a few games". 155 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 01:31 2 person queue is set up ...everyone is my DP. 156 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 02:09 Looks like XP called it a night. I've got a short queue that probably won't last. I've got to coach some kids basketball until late morning. I should be able to pick soon after lunch if my queue runs empty. 157 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 03:11 Just got back.....I didn't count on Hinrich and Davis both being taken. 3 quality PG for weykool. Hopefully that strategy works out for you. Also picked for Slowhand. Good choice. I was undecided between Howard and Butler, but decisions are easier to make when you're a little intoxicated and hindsight is always 20/20. Tree is up and I'm out..... 158 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 08:53 Hey guys, I made a queue for 4th round only, I will be out for about 6 hours, so should be able to not hold up things. And be in time for my 5th round pick, it depends on who/what I get in the 4th who I will be getting then, so cant leave a 2round queue. 159 Tree       ID: 43944137       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 09:44 just picked... sorry about the overnight delay. i was doing something odd between 3 and 9 am - sleeping! :o) 160 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 11:44 Looks like we are making great progress and have good chatter on the boards. Weykool- I was looking at J.O. with my 3rd round pick before you, so I think it was a very timely pick on your part if that's any consolation. I think he will have another good year, and hopefully one with less missed time. 161 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 11:54 I'm going to be gone most of tomorrow (BIG poker tournament for charity); I don't mind leaving a queue for a couple of rounds, but will likely need to email someone some specific instructions; so if a couple of you will be around from about 2-12 pm Sunday let me know and I'll shoot you an email before I go. Having said that,I sure would like to get a couple of more picks in before that time. 162 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 13:09 yea, let's get moving! :o) personally, it makes me crazy to get these mini-runs going, and then have the brakes slammed on... but yea, we're heading into the 5th round, and that's a pretty solid pace. 163 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 13:12 i'll be around. i'll also start the rationale thread. then we can just role it into a final draft review thread as well, post all of it there. keep the discussion here. don't mention undrafted players at any time. same basic rules as always. i will try and find guru's final review questions and start the post. 164 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 13:35 It looks like we're stuck...I like to see it go a little faster on the weekends. Maybe a shorter weekend clock? 165 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:24 The 8 hour clock is too long. We gain nothing by allowing managers an extra two hours of delay. The clock should be there as a safety net. If a manager cant check in before 6 hours their pick should be skipped. There is no excuse for this given that we have the ability to use Q's and other resources. 166 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:27 I'm in full agreement with xpdurmind and weykool. 6 hour clocks are more than enough time. 167 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:38 i agree with the 6 hour clock as well...i have to say i'm always amazed when things go even 4 or 5 hours without someone checking in... 168 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:49 i am back and see that i have the first person on my queue, cool. where's aggy? 169 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 14:49 6hour clock is fine for me btw. 170 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:13 Since I'm going to be heading out shortly, and don't want to further slow down this draft, will anyone be around and willing to make my next pick via queue? 171 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:15 i am around stomo. 172 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:16 Thanks deejay, I'll designate you as picker. I'm going to email you some specific directions if that's okay. Thanks again. 173 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:16 we are not in danger of a late finish. between weekend shifts or no access at work or a death in the family there are lots of reasons for a delay. be patient. we will get there, i'm definitly not worried about that and it's about the only real reason to speed up the clock. 174 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:20 172 Sure go ahead 175 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:22 WB - i hear ya, but you don't want to be in a situation where you're suddenly rushed. the whole point of using something like kafenatid is to use queues to allow for weekend shifts or no work access or what have you. a death in the family? well, i suspect fantasy sports won't matter in the least at that point. 176 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:24 deejay, email sent. Thanks. 177 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:31 havent recieved it yet... included my email to make sure 178 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:34 ok got the mail stomo 179 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:40 > we will get there, i'm definitly not worried about that and it's about the only real reason to speed up the clock. I disagree. The real reason for the clock is out of respect to your fellow managers... and because laziness is contagious. If other managers are using up hours and hours of clock and not using queues, then I'll stop caring as much and end up doing the same, etc. These types of things are best nipped in the bud. It's not just about finishing "on time". 6 hours is a minimum though... the clock starts at 4am here on the west coast. If I'm 6 picks away when I go to sleep, I can't always set a good queue because those other picks may affect my strategy of who to take and who I think will "survive the turn" to my next pick. With 6 hours I at least have until 10am that way to make my pick (which is good, I usually get into the office around 9am). If we ever get to the point where the clock is less than 6 hours, then we need to extend the overnight hours to be fair to west-coasters. 180 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 15:56 I agree with Doug. Finishing on time is way down on the list. As I said before the clock is a safety net to handle the ebbs and flows of the draft and differences in time zones. Using up a full clock no matter if it is 6 or 8 hours is inexusable if it happens more than once. Using the full clock just because somebody can is showing rudeness to your fellow managers. We have several managers who are going to be with limited internet access in the near future and I'm guessing they would like to get in as many pick prior to that as possible. The concern that I raised in post #80 seems to heve been proven correct. 181 Urmas @ home       ID: 5429313       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 16:01 It's 11 PM where I live so I'm off to bed. There'll be no queue. It's 15 picks before I'm up so it'd have to be one heck of a queue. Besides, at the pace we're going it seems unlikely I'll slow us down very much. 182 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 16:21 post 181 proves what Doug said in 179 when he said If other managers are using up hours and hours of clock and not using queues, then I'll stop caring as much and end up doing the same, etc. definitely ZERO disrespect to Urmas at all, but his comment at the pace we're going it seems unlikely I'll slow us down very much is case in point. 8 hours is too long. and anyone using the full 6 hours is, in most cases, really testing the patience. i left my house at 10 am this morning for a few hours of shopping, worrying that, even though my next pick was 11 picks away, i would be holding up the draft - after all - 10 am is when most people are waking up, checking their email, their drafts, etc etc. i am shocked that more than 6 hours later, not only has there been no movement, but the clock hasn't even timed anyone out. i'm going out to dinner in an hour. i don't see a point in leaving a queue. WonderB - addressing your contention we're not in danger for a late finish. for me, we are. i realize that the rest of the league shouldn't be at the whims of my schedule - nor do i expect that. but we have the opportunity to make SERIOUS progress in this draft prior to me being out of town, and instead, the time is being frittered away. it behooves the rest of the league to move it on, because while i'm out of town, it probably will be a considerable time lapse before my pick. 183 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 16:35 this is getting a bit ridiculous. 184 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 16:46 I totally understand where Tree and the other managers that expressed concern about our weekend pace are coming from. I was hoping to get a few rounds in today and a few tomorrow. I found out yesterday that I have meetings out of the office all day on Tue and Wed and Thur and will possibly be without access for over 10 hrs a day and I will forced to leave long queues again. Leaving a long queue is fine (left an 11 player queue for my 3rd round out of consideration for the other managers), but that doesn't address strategy. Unless there it's an unforseen hold up, I do not understand not leaving a queue. I'm begining to question my decision to participate in these drawn out drafts... 185 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 17:16 Yeah it's pretty frustrating to wait for someone to time out...ultimately I'm sure we'll be fine but as I said in post 161 I have to be gone much of the day tommorrow and would at least like to have my starters picked before leaving a big queue...and I have to say it is very inconsiderate to those of us who are prepared and use very little of our clock. 186 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 17:24 yes, all good points. i obviously couldn't do anything about the clock durring his turn. i emailed at the 3 hrs to go mark. if there are no serious objectors i can and would change the clock to 6 but i would need all to check in again on it. 187 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 17:32 ok with 6h clock. 188 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 17:46 I'd be ok with 6 (or 8). I agree we should help move things along to help out Tree and others who have expressed (before we started the draft) that they would be gone for certain periods. It's too bad that Aggy is again out of communication. I don't remember anyone saying they are unavailable for the weekend - but we really don't know what has come up. I understand it's frustrating when we've been moving (very) well and then all of a sudden it "appears" that someone has been inconsiderate/lazy. However, he knows the consequences, and in less than an hour, he will lose his right to make the next pick and have to take what's left when he gets back. I think this is my fourth year in RIHC now, and I've never seen any of those drafts get in a "few" rounds each day on the weekend. I think some expectations may be unrealistic. The best days I can remember included possibly two whole rounds. With regard to #184, I agree, I didn't want a slow draft for some of these very reasons. However, this is what we agreed on, so I still say lets have patience and if we need to make an adjustments we can, though weykool I still have to disagree about aggy being unfit as an RIHC manager because of not knowing about us starting and taking nearly one full pick clock. Before that I think he was doing pretty well. I believe the precedent has been that once a person times out, they get no more clock until their picks are caught up, so he won't get another clock next time it comes to him (unless he's already made his missed pick), correct? That's my .02, FWIW, I'm glad the tone is more positive in our frustration though. Sorry if I sound parental with remarks like that- it's just that we do this for fun so I lose some of the fun when it gets overly negative or hostile. And fortunately we seem to have put the kabosh on that. I'm taking my lady out for the evening and am pretty sure the short queue I have left will be exhausted, and in part because of Doug's point about previous picks affecting your strategy, I'm not leaving a super long. My last two picks were made based off my queue and frankly, I think I goofed with with pick #4 and wish I had not left a queue and had the opportunity to do a little more research. I've just felt a little pressured to always be ready within the hour and I'm not sure that's that great for the experience, either. Hopefully we can find a balance. I do think our main goal is finishing on time, and making decent progress along the way. One time out is not really a crisis, imo. Finishing most of the draft before an extended week gone may or may not be realistic. 190 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:01 And Tequila is up... 191 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:03 i don't know if you guys can see the numbers i do but we have an average pick time of 1:15:26. i assume that is only while the clock is running. we have a projected finish date of the 20th at 8:50. i guess this gives me confidence in our timeline. 192 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:08 didn't we wait a long time for Aggy to pick his spot too? and post 97, where he mentioned drafting in a timely manner. no disrespect intended here, but i hope we're not planning on waiting for him again if he comes up again soon... i like drafts like this for many reasons. but, the frustration level is amped high because i think many of us hold other owners to the same expectations we hold ourselves to. btw - i'm going to leave a queue for when i go out. the pick is for the 5th round only. thanks! 193 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:30 WonderB, I see Tequila is picking, Stromo left a queue but asked me to wait for round 5(the q was for round 4) he should be back soon. 194 Tree       ID: 27961311       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:45 left my queue with slowhand, deejay, wonderboy (man, i sing that song by Tenacious B *everytime* i see your handle), and xpdurmind...thanks! 195 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:47 i put that in for tequila from his queue he put up an hour or more ago. there was only one name. i think it's pretty late in Italy. 196 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:48 its 12.48pm in Italy, just like Spain... 197 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 18:53 but anyway that could mean were stuck... 198 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:17 Just checkin back. Thanks for the pick deejay. Now I'll take that queue down and pick (if and when) the draft makes its way down again. 199 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:19 i am almost heading off to bed, left a queue (in case) round 5 only that is. What Stromo/Doug could/can do if they want (of course).... if tequila is indeed sleeping, then he will hopefully see there was only one person in his queue, in the (european) morning , they(stomo/doug) could leave a short q and make me dp, i can pick for them , also being from europe when i wake up, then i dont know what happens with aggy but after that its my turn, so it at least moves a bit, makes sense? 200 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:21 198 you're welcome stomo. 201 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:32 199. Sure, I'd leave a queue if I were not around just to speed up draft. If anything I'll shoot you an email deejay. Thanks. 202 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:34 Yeah I'm gonna put in a queue shortly. Kirilenko was my backup choice if Randolph was taken... was kinda hoping he'd make it back to me. :) The preseason reports on both of them have been favorable. 203 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:42 cool. goodnight all. 204 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:47 note the email sent to all. 205 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 19:55 204, That's a good rule to know, especially for future. I had no idea but makes perfect sense. I was actually dreading that 8 becoming 16. 206 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 20:28 Well I too am glad we don't have to wait through another 8hrs but if aggy doesn't check in soon I think we need to consider our options and have some decisions in place IF he misses another pick and before it is his turn in rounds 6&7. I want ALL teams in this league to be active and competitive and if a team misses more than 2 picks it would be at a severe disadvatage; and I don't want that regardless of whose team it is. So now is the time to discuss this so we don't hold the draft up later. 207 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 21:11 I'm with slowhand on this one, but let's give aggy the benefit of the doubt. Maybe something came up like internet was out, or something else (hopefully nothing came up that's of a serious nature). Let's wait for him and hear him out. I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation. I'd expect things to be fine. But aggy, we're waiting to hear from yah. 208 Tree       ID: 39381319       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 21:38 i think if he misses the next pick, we continue as per the rules. if somehow, it gets back to him a *third* time and he hasn't picked, we fill in the blanks with the best players available, and begin looking for a replacement. obviously, this is a worst case scenario, and hopefully all is well with aggy, and we'll hear from him soon... 209 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 21:49 Oh I totally agree with Stomo about giving aggy the benefit of the doubt; but I like Tree's suggestion on how we might handle this IF we don't hear from him by the 6th pick. 210 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 22:33 All right. Aggy picked! 212 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 22:47 Hopefully Aggy will check in here on the boards soon now that he's "back." Everything ok, bro? 213 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 125313010       Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 23:06 You guys are a passionate group, some getting very fired up... Listen, I'm truly sorry, I did have a personal emergency that came up that took much longer than I anticipated. My access on the weekend actually can be spotty at times and I will make sure to leave a queue going forward. Sorry again. 214 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 06:36 Tequila picked, have Stomo's queue, but its empty, have no instructions either.... 215 Tequila       ID: 17954144       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 06:54 i'm sorry if i left you out waiting last night. I know i left a queue of just a couple of players, but the fact is that i have to make a double choice and than wait for more than 20 picks before having another chance. I wanted a G and an F an didn't want to draft two G's or two F's. I'll try to come up with some longer queues in the future. thanks 216 Tree       ID: 15924146       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 08:25 just a suggestion: I wanted a G and an F an didn't want to draft two G's or two F's. I'll try to come up with some longer queues in the future. it's cool to leave instructions here. basically just say "i've left 10 guys in my queue. for my first pick, pick from the first five. for my second pick, pick from the next five. if one of those groups is used up, then just take the guy at the top of the queue." or something similar. leaving instructions works, and if someone misses them, the commish can go in and fix when you point out the mistake. 217 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 09:15 I'm interested in trading up this round, if anyone is interested. I'll swap picks next round and in the 10th as compensation. 218 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 09:26 true. i've been entering most queue picks i think. i have alot of control and can make changes. aside from the odd 1 or 2 hour stint i'm always online and hitting refresh. big brother is watching. 219 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 09:39 Well, I'll check back here right before I leave around 10:15 Eastern. I'll be back then by around 12:30 to check again. 220 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 10:10 Just picked. I couldn't make up my mind and figured I'd be up early today. On we go. 221 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 10:12 Just selected for Doug via his queue. Aggy is up. 222 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 11:49 Getting a deja-vu. 223 Tree       ID: 15924146       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 11:57 we've gone more than 26 hours, and we're still four picks away from completing a round. i realize this is a slow draft - but slow means there is some sort of flow. you get a run of some picks, then maybe an hour goes by, someone picks, another run, and so on. that's how this is supposed to work. i'm leaving my apartment in 2 hours. i will have sporadic access for probably the next 8 to 10 hours after that, and i have to drag my cheat sheets and such around town with me. quite frankly, my motivation to do that - or to leave a queue at this point - is almost nil. apathy is contagious. 224 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:07 he really should have left a queue this time around, after committing to it in post 213. thats how i see it, simple. 225 Tree       ID: 15924146       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:27 to me, it's the third time we've waited for him. 226 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:36 Pacer is up... 227 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:37 I mean Tree you're up, handled Pacer/Wonder their queue's 228 Tree       ID: 15924146       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:43 cool. gimme 2 minutes....in the midst of fixing a football roster with Dayne being inactive... 229 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:46 I'm here and ready to go... 230 Tree       ID: 15924146       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:57 good pick Slow. i was choosing between Barbosa and Parker...i always like when the guy you didn't take goes almost immediately, because it means you're in the right ball park. lol 231 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 12:58 xpudermind is up 232 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:00 Yeah I had Barbosa on my short list too. 233 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:07 Rats, I realized I left my queue active when I really hadn't finalized anything other than wanting Felton with this pick. I had been using the queue as a 'short list' of guys I was looking at for this pick but wasn't necessarily ready to pull the trigger. My fault. 234 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:10 You guys didn't even leave me Felton...Wow..That blows... Weykool is up 235 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:14 sorry about that xp :) 236 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:15 and sorry pacer i am responsable for that, thought it was ok. 237 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:18 felton actually was already some time on my list, and i was happy to see he made it to me. 238 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:18 I'm out for the day...I've left a queue... The queue is for round 6 only I should be home around 10 or 11 eastern , and given the pace we've had it is unlikely to make it back to me for round 7. If I do hold things up I apologize in advance but I am not going to leave a 20+ person queue. Tree, deejay, Pacers Rule, and WonderB are my dps. 239 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:27 Don't know what your team needs were there PR but overall I think Jamison was definitely a decent pick for this round. 240 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:31 yes he was on my list too, right after felton, so I thought it his was 'real' queue . little did know... 241 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:44 It was a 'real' queue at one point, but then I got to thinking that I should rethink things if I don't get Felton, who was my #1 pick (XP, looks like he DEF wasn't coming back to you) then I was like, oh crap I left my queue active and then I got home and yeah, the deal was done. I almost took Felton in round 4 because I didn't think he'd make it back to me, which is why I tried to trade up to get him, but obviously had no takers. Ironic that he made it to the final pick before mine! That's one thing I love and hate about this game - the drama of it. I'm not broken up about Jamison- it's just I realized I had not poured over enough reports before I decided on him. It's not like my season's in the toilet or anything (yet). :-) 242 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:44 Anyone interested in trading for pick 5.11? I was thinking 5.11 and my 7th for your 6th and 7th. 243 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 13:54 "I almost took Felton in round 4 because I didn't think he'd make it back to me" me too pacer, in my case i opted for mike miller, with the real hope to take felton in round 5. 244 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:03 That's ok, Deejay. I'll just try to figure out who you want for next round and then be sure to snag him right out from under your nose. Esp. if you've been begging to trade up :P 245 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:07 Good luck with that, pacer :))) 246 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:11 While the steals and assists were tempting, Felton was too much of a FG% killer IMHO. I feel that I'll get comparable stats out of the slow-but-steady Andre Miller, without the heavy FG% hit, so seemed an obvious choice. *shrug* 247 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:12 I was about to suggest the same thing, but perhaps we should keep that in the rationale thread. You can keep Felton though deejay, he's all yours ;) 248 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:25 246 No threes from Andre though :) 249 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:25 247 thank you stomo, that i can keep him :)) 250 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:51 Re: 242... in case you're waiting for replies, you can cross me off the list. 251 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 14:55 Same here. I'm just waiting for you to go, heh. 252 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 15:24 same as stomo 253 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 15:25 ditto. 254 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 17:52 Hmm..looks like weykool is trying to make more deals :) I left a 2 player q. PR, deejay, stomo, and WB ae dp. 255 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:05 I have made a queue, for round 6 only please. Cuz its all of the same. PR, weykool and WB are the dp's. Goodnight. 256 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:31 Just picked for xpdurmind. Slowhand is up. 257 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:34 Picked for Slowhand 258 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:37 WonderB, thanks for the rationale thread . Hopefully managers will take advantage of it. I posted a first round rationale only. Waiting to put up round two until more of round one is complete, I guess. 259 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:55 Wow, 5 picks in under an hour....I wasn't quite ready for that....now I'm on the clock. Not sure how long I'll need but probably an hour or more unless you all have missed someone really obvious. Since Deejay left a queue, we should be back to Aggy as soon as I've picked. Tree, taking Granger wasn't very nice. I think you'll be very pleased with him this year. 260 Tree       ID: 38731322       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 20:59 it was Roy or Granger...when Roy got taken, Granger won the lottery... 261 Doug       ID: 53937413       Sun, Oct 14x, 2007, 21:47 Well, assuming PR can find a player in the next little bit here we should at least be able to finish this round tonight... might get stuck on teq though due to the time zone (depending on how big of a queue he was comfortable leaving). 262 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 00:12 Not sure I'd call a few hours the next little bit. I really had to work to figure out who deejay's top pick was. I was about evenly split between Ricky Davis and Maggette, but in the end, gave Maggette the nod. When Deejay's queue came up with Ricky Davis at the top of the list, I could only take consolation that perhaps he had wanted Maggette's FT% and upside more than Davis's 3's and upside. 263 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 00:45 Aggy's up, but I'm not seeing a queue. 264 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 01:32 Why am I not surprised? 265 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 01:39 I have a queue in, but just to be clear I only want it used for round 6, not round 7. Emailing instructions to the commish. 266 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 04:44 next time i dont leave no queue anymore when we are going up, aggy never leaves one, so why should i do it , just to see it stuck just behind me, and now i have this player that was all the way down on my queue and i didnt really want, but was there for safety. and i am not kidding. 267 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 05:10 ah dont misunderstand me, ricky is a good pick here, but those swingmen that were taking right before him are actually the ones i also had hoped for. Granger,Maggette,Gino and co were on my list ricky was 6th on my list when a left last night. It is a kinda like PR's situation before with Jamison,no big deal in the end. 268 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 05:55 what held me back PR from Ricky, is the uncertainty of his situation in Minnesota, therefor I had Maggette ranked in front of him, so yes PR, you took the first on my list at that point. 269 Tree       ID: 53915154       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 06:39 Maggette and Davis were both guys i was looking at when it swung back around to me, so it was a good choice here. but i agree - it's very upsetting to have someone who doesn't seem reliable. granted, he came up after midnight, but if he had LEFT A QUEUE AS HE INDICATED HE WOULD, it's entirely possible that up to six more picks could have happened in the overnight hour. yesterday, i went to my parent's house in new jersey for a family function, then out to dinner. i had my cheat sheets with me. people in this draft are ready to go, and while we face potential roadblocks on the ends because of our european managers (no offense intended fellas), we hit the same bump time and time again in mid-round. 270 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 07:54 easy guys. he has had one pick come up overnight that he picked next morning at 9:16. he probably has to get in to work before he can relax like the rest of us. 271 Tequila       ID: 49950156       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 08:50 i have a queue for stray doug, should i pick his first choice for round 6 ? 272 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:04 sure tequila 273 Tequila       ID: 2296157       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:06 ok, i just picked monta ellis for doug 274 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:07 now i have a queue from stomo, but its empty... 275 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:38 I'm running late and will not leave a 12 man queue. Since I don't have access to kafenatid at work, can someone post all the picks made after 6.10 here? I will try to check periodically and post my 7.10 pick here. 276 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:51 i should be on all day, so when it gets to you, i'll post them... 277 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:55 Take your time XP. I'm not going to leave a long Q either and will pick when I return from work. 278 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:57 good pick stomo. i wanted him back here but didn't take him. a steal if you consider him a 5th rounder like at least one other. 279 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 10:02 yes gordon was on my new list :( 280 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 10:06 I was shocked he made it back to me. Anyway off I go. Have a good one all. 281 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 11:34 #268 Ah, All is well in the world again. :-) Actually it's comforting to know others were considering/wanting Maggette here. I did want Granger, but I thought he would slip maybe even to the seventh. I agree with why you were leery of Davis, deejay. I had the same concerns, plus the knucklehead factor. His FG% is nice though. I didn't leave a queue last night and was afraid we'd fly through 10 picks and I'd be on the clock already at my first chance to check back in. Fortunately, we're a few picks away, and I can check back late afternoon. My long queue would have been mostly chewed up by now anyway. I'll check back in and see if I can leave a queue real fast before I have to leave again. 282 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 11:59 Granger was also number one on my list back then... 1 Granger 2 Gino 3 Maggette 4 Roy 5 Aldridge 6 Ricky that was my list back then... and I woke up and I had Ricky, the last one on my list. They picked them all the bastards :))) 283 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:19 Ben Gordon was my #2 choice if I didn't get Monta Ellis. Monta's just a little better fit for my squad (needed more steals than 3s), especially with his PG eligibility. Re: 275... so far: 6.10 PG-SG Monta Ellis 6.11 SG Ben Gordon 6.12 SF Richard Jefferson 7.01 PF-C Al Harrington 7.02 C Andrew Bogut 7.03 C Andris Biedrins 284 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:20 Just to clarify, I am not going to leave a queue unless I will have trouble making a pick during "timed" hours (7am - 11pm). Expecting to make a pick after midnight is unreasonable. I find it interesting that people like Pacers Rule are complaining after we are waiting for over 4 hours for him last night.... Relax guys, we have over 2 weeks before the season starts. 285 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:21 Granger was also number one on my list back then... 1 Granger 2 Gino 3 Maggette 4 Roy 5 Aldridge 6 Ricky that was my list back then... and I woke up and I had Ricky, the last one on my list. They picked them all the bastards :))) Didnt someone offer you the chance to move up you pick? 286 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:42 true weykool, but didnt think granger would have been taken when it was my turn. my bad. 287 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:46 so, presumably Aggy is actually making a pick? or did he make a post WHILE HE WAS UP about not leaving a queue, and then didn't pick? Aggy - people are on you, because so far, your track record isn't great in this league. 288 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:47 "Expecting to make a pick after midnight is unreasonable." Does that count for Euro's too? btw, You're up. 289 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:54 Aggy: Nothing personal here. But people are getting frustrated with you because while the average pick is a little over one hour (including your picks) your picks are taking close to 3 hours. This three hours does not include any time that the draft was paused. Twice over night it was on you and you picked in the morning. While this is understandable...... we are not understanding why you are taking 3 times as long as the group as a whole. All we are asking for is a little consideration for your fellow managers. It is incument on all managers to make this experience a positive experience for all your fellow managers. 290 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:16 i can't help but laugh. into the clock for already 10 minutes, Aggy comes up and posts that he's not going to bother leaving a queue during regular clock hours. then, after being on the clock for over an hour, he still hasn't picked. and he can't understand why people are upset with him???????? 291 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:19 And I have the honor to be so close to him in the draft positions, my refresh finger hurts. 292 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:22 jeej im up, give me few minutes, thanks aggy (in a good way) 293 Slowhand-at work       ID: 16532417       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:26 Just for clarifcation...we waited barely over 3 hrs. for PR last night not "over 4hrs". For PR THAT was an abberation not the norm... And while we will certainly finish in time for the season even if aggy times out every time it's because everyone else has made an effort to pick in a timely manner. Thank-you for making the effort. 294 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:39 PR is up. 295 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:43 Tree - relax buddy, people have jobs too you know. I have been checking on the hour, outside of the one time out, I have never taken more than 2 hrs..... 296 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:04 outside of the one time out, I have never taken more than 2 hrs..... well, that explains it. you do realize that the reality is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of what you just said. no offense, but the pick you just made was the first one you made that took less than 90 minutes, right. in 7 rounds, you've gone like this: first round - 2 hours, 17 minutes second round - (overnight) 9 hours, 55 minutes third round - 1 hour, 35 minutes fourth round - 12 hours, 14 minutes fifth round - 2 hours, 21 minutes sixth round - (overnight) 8 hours, 26 minutes seventh round - 1 hour, 11 minutes do you not see how that frustrates other owners? all we are asking is for a bit more respect and timeliness. 297 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:22 enough guys. i feel like i have to be mom here. you go to the corner and you in the other one. remember we are here for fun guys. i want to stress that this is a NORMAL slow draft. it took the same amount of time last year when i did this. i honestly do not expect it to go faster than it is. in fact when i look at my draft last year we are going faster. last year 1:35/pick average - this year 1:23/pick. lets keep it lite and lively. 298 weykool@work       ID: 2842717       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:23 The problem started with 17 1/2 hours to select your drafting position. Dont want to keep beating a dead horse here. All we are asking is to leave a Queue if you wont be here and keep your fellow managers in mind when it is your turn. 299 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:25 WonderB - out of curiousity, if you take out Aggy, what's our average? no offense, but you have one person repeatedly taking their sweet time to draft, claiming they would leave queues, then saying they won't leave queues, and actually taking the time to post on the board that they are picking timely, but then not actually picking when they are up on the clock. it's frustrating to everyone who is trying for a timely draft. 300 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:41 Well Tree, obviously when you have the kind of "free time" you have tracking people's round by round times then you should draft each pick in 10 minutes. For the rest of the employed world, I actually have work to do at work. Again, outside of the the one "timed out" it has been roughly 2 hrs or less, overnight doesn't count, I actually need to sleep! If you wanted a live draft, then I would pick in 1 minute, however, the idea of a slow draft is that we have lives to lead. As I have said repeadetely, if I am going to be away from my computer for more than 1-2 hours, I will leave a queue. 301 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:19 Well Tree, obviously when you have the kind of "free time" you have tracking people's round by round times then you should draft each pick in 10 minutes. actually, i don't have everyone's figured out. but i knew you were wrong, and i did the math, which took all of 10 minutes. For the rest of the employed world, I actually have work to do at work. Again, outside of the the one "timed out" it has been roughly 2 hrs or less, overnight doesn't count, I actually need to sleep! do you think you're the only one who has a job here? man, you're one arrogant dude. and for the record, you keep changing your words - on everything. from "i'll leave a queue/i won't leave a queue" to "less than two hour/roughly less than two hours", you can't keep your argument straight. and, again, you were here, on this board, and could have drafted, but instead, waited an hour to do so. your reputation so far precedes you, and so far, instead of acknowledging the concerns of some of the owners in this league and saying "lemme try a bit harder to be more timely," you're going on and on with the contention that you've done nothing wrong. at least 5 owners have expressed concern, and you're brushing it off like you don't give a crap. that only furthers to enflame things. 302 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:40 6.07 Corey Maggette SF LAC Pacers Rule 6.08 Ricky Davis SG MIN deejay 6.09 Ben Wallace C CHI jeffaggy 6.10 Monta Ellis SG GSW Stray Doug 6.11 Ben Gordon SG CHI Snlf411 6.12 Richard Jefferson SF NJN Tequila 7.01 Al Harrington SF GSW Tequila 7.02 Andrew Bogut C MIL Snlf411 7.03 Andris Biedrins C GSW Stray Doug 7.04 Andrea Bargnani PF TOR jeffaggy 7.05 David Lee PF NYK deejay in case PR can see and do anything. 303 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:48 You guys might want to rely on the Yahoo! positions, not the Kafenatid ones (for example, Harrington isn't currently SF-eligible... he's a PF-C). I realize he might gain that eligiblity at some point, just want to make sure people are aware. > Aggy: I am not going to leave a queue unless I will have trouble making a pick during "timed" hours (7am - 11pm) That statement is a bit ridiculous to me... basically the draft shuts down at 8pm then. Have some consideration for your fellow managers please... we have people on the west coast, in Italy, etc. Just because the clock stops at 11pm EST doesn't mean you shouldn't leave a short queue if you're a mere 2-3 picks out, etc. when you go to bed. Feel free to leave instructions for it to be a one-round only queue. > Tree: At least 5 owners have expressed concern, and you're brushing it off like you don't give a crap. That only furthers to enflame things. Word. 304 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:58 Very true Doug, I also did that mistake in the first round with Dirk, and put him at C, while on yahoo he is not listed on that position. The one positive thing, you can change the position you put them on, by clicking on your own screenname... thhen you get your players and if you then click on them you can change their position to avoid further confusion. 305 Frick       Donor       ID: 3410101718       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:59 Pardon the interuption, but remember that this is a qualifiying league for RIHC. I don't think that the actions of a manager during the draft or season have been taken into account during the following season, but I have a feeling they could be. I'm assuming that we are all here because we enjoy fantasy sports. Respect your fellow managers both in your actions and your words. 306 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 16:25 Sorry guys for the delay today. I checked in at lunch quickly and it wasn't to me. I didn't have a chance to check back in until just a bit ago, and sure enough my short queue was gone. Seems we are all taking each other's picks. Doug, any chance you'd trade me Biedrins for my pick now and moving up to my spot the next round and another round of your choosing? I'm going to head home from work now and will check back in within a few hours. I haven't had time to read all the banter, but I'm surprised we went down that road again. Aggy, I commented that you didn't leave a queue b/c you had said you were going to from now on. Also, we didn't wait four hours on me last night, but I made my pick in somewhere around 3 hours I think, just over maybe, and it was after the clock was paused anyway. I was up late as it was and had made a short queue in case it worked today but I wasn't going to make an 11 man queue because I was picking 10 picks later. As Doug pointed out, it can be disadvantageous to leave a long queue depending on what kind of runs happen that you don't know about that may affect strategy. Deejay expressed a similar thought last night. I was surprised because even if you were not going to be able to pick last night b/c of going to bed, the draft was like 2 picks from you for several hours, which should have allowed you to put together a three man queue without too much trouble. That's what would make sense to me. Not that we really waited on you very long anyway this time. I still don't have a big issue with how you are drafting. I think we're in good shape. But I know others have expressed concerns and you said you'd leave a queue in the future and then the next two picks you weren't around when you came up and you also didn't leave a queue. That's all I was saying. But I totally agree with Frick and I hope we can get back to having fun very soon instead of the negativity. Sorry if I sparked something with my comment, but I feel I have been pretty supportive of you and of keeping things positive in here. I have someone in mind for my pick but I just have to get somewhere where I can check a few more things out first. But Doug, I'd definitely like to trade for Biedrins if you are interested. Pacers Rule 307 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 16:30 I'm going to end this argument now, by saying sorry.... Outside of the one timed out, I have apologized to no end, but I feel I am being picked on by Tree and Pacers Rule to name a few. By no means am I that arrogant, I just think you guys are too instense. This isn't AA, we made it to AAA because we know fantasy bball. BTW, I completely disagree on the overnight rules, if we should be drafting or leaving a queue, then why have the shutdown from 11pm - 7am. I check every night until 11pm and was ready to pick at 11pm last night. How come we all aren't flipping out about Pacers Rule now, I mean we have waited 3 hrs for him?? 308 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 16:48 OK i'm glad that's taken care of. Aggy's putting together a decent team here and you guys might want to trade for some of his 3's,points and rebounds so lets not burn anymore bridges. 309 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 16:49 Doug, you out there? Anybody got a cell # for Doug? I emailed him and posted. 310 Doug       ID: 53937413       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:05 Hey PR, I'm sticking with Biedrins for now, but thx for the offer. 311 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:06 Ok, Grr. I can see why you would. Thanks for responding. 312 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:09 don't take my guy ok? pacers rule? 313 Tree       ID: 3533298       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:15 BTW, I completely disagree on the overnight rules, if we should be drafting or leaving a queue, then why have the shutdown from 11pm - 7am. I check every night until 11pm and was ready to pick at 11pm last night. the clock is off, but the idea is to continue drafting, even if its at a slower pace. the draft don't stop, just the clock. remember, that's east coast time when the clock goes off. at 11 pm east coast time, guys in europe (of which we have two) are probably getting ready to wake up to start their day. guys on the west coast, are probably just finishing up dinner with their family, or maybe even getting home from work. again, not coming down on you for this, but you probably have 2 or 3 guys you have in mind for your next pick, so why not leave a queue with those guys? by doing that, no one can give you grief because at least you left some sort of queue. 314 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:15 well, since you know I want Biedrins, and didn't get him, plan accordingly! Sorry, should be minutes now 315 Urmas @ home       ID: 5429313       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:17 I'll leave a queue which may or may not be just a bit short. A few words of instructions will be mailed to DPs shortly. 316 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:32 Hope I didn't screw you, WonderB. You've been doing an admirable job of managing very divergent expectations. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm intentionally leaving players for you, but If I didn't take your guy, keep this in mind if I have an IL request down the road, LOL! 317 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:40 Pacer, Kaman or Lee I can say it gave me a headache today. Good pick. 318 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 19:18 time to sleep for me, ive made a little queue, but dont think it will get back to me before i return. queue prolly wont make it, but dont fear, ill be back in 7 to 8 hours. 319 WonderB       ID: 419161513       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 19:29 out for a couple, pacer can do urmas. ps. this is the new computer. AMD dual 6000+ 3 mb ram ati radeon 2400pro vidio card bet you can't keep up with me now. 320 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:05 I guess I'll post the picks in here for XP just in case he's still working....I can't recall what time zone he's in. 321 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:06 6.04 Brandon Roy SG POR Slowhand 6.05 Danny Granger SF IND Tree 6.06 Samuel Dalembert C PHI TheWonderboy 6.07 Corey Maggette SF LAC Pacers Rule 6.08 Ricky Davis SG MIN deejay 6.09 Ben Wallace C CHI jeffaggy 6.10 Monta Ellis SG GSW Stray Doug 6.11 Ben Gordon SG CHI Snlf411 6.12 Richard Jefferson SF NJN Tequila 7.01 Al Harrington SF GSW Tequila 7.02 Andrew Bogut C MIL Snlf411 7.03 Andris Biedrins C GSW Stray Doug 7.04 Andrea Bargnani PF TOR jeffaggy 7.05 David Lee PF NYK deejay 7.06 Chris Kaman C LAC Pacers Rule 7.07 Randy Foye SG MIN TheWonderboy 7.08 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C CLE Tree 7.09 Richard Hamilton SG DET Slowhand 322 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:07 Picked...sorry for the delay; my secretary reminded me of a dental appt. just as I was leaving that I was already late to and I just got home. 323 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 20:17 xpdurmind is up, but his queue has a write-in for a players name. He hasn't notified me of anything, so we'll just wait for him to pick. 324 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 21:24 yup. Urmas has a queue with instructions if we make it that far. I'd appreciate a moment of silence for my baby bearded dragon who appears to have bought the farm, despite my sincerest attempts at impersonating a lizard nurse. Those little suckers are fragile. We lost 2 of 3 we bought - My son's second one is thriving now but the first and third didn't make it. 325 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 22:43 Just got home. Last I checked at 4:30 PM PST, It didn't look like it was my turn( 7.09 wasn't posted). I have 1-1.5 hr drive depending on traffic. I'll pick shortly ... 326 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:21 Present and will pick shortly. 327 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:22 Done...hopefully weykool and urmas are still up and it'll get back to me tonight or tomorrow morning since I will not have access during the day tomorrow... Not that it matters, but I'll be lucky not to finish in the cellar. #323, Stomo, I left my queue as a write in so I can post who I wanted to draft here since I'm unable to access kafenatid from work. PR thanks for posting the picks, but as it happened I had just left work. It looks like there was more action on this board today than on the draft clock :) 328 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:25 i'm here. for urmas unless he says something. 329 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:26 lol...weykool beat me to the punch... 330 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:42 If Urmas has a queue for his two picks I will be around for my 2nd pick 331 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:50 yup 332 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:08 XP is UP 333 Tree       ID: 219471516       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:08 off to bed. if i come up, my queue is for THIS round only. thanks. 334 Slowhand       SuperDude       ID: 056744223       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:24 I'm for bed too..left a queue. 335 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:28 just picked.... 336 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:33 and Tree is up 337 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:47 327, Oh okay, sorry didn't know. I'll be around should you need a manual pick like that so always feel free to let me know. 338 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:50 Any pickers for Tree still around? WonderB? I've been analyzing my stats, and I've determined I need another first round pick right here. I'm going to check my cheat sheets again. Maybe a first rounder has somehow slipped through. 339 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 01:44 Dang, not finding one right off the bat. I guess I could pick the player I had planned to take last round. Ok, done. I hope he starts! 340 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 01:47 I'll also leave a short queue for next round, but there's a good chance I won't have anything left when it gets back to me, and I'll just check in late afternoon. 341 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 04:11 i am here, give me few minutes and i will pick, sorry for the holdup. 342 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 05:14 This was defenitely the most difficult decision so far. So many needs :) Sorry again for the wait, my queue was indeed used up. 343 Tree       ID: 25937164       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 06:42 i shared a good chuckle with myself that we got EIGHT picks in between midnight and 1 am east coast time. the previous eight picks? nearly 11 hours, most of it during normal prime picking hours. great run last night. thanks to everyone who picked for themselves or left a queue... 344 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 11:42 for doug possibly 7.03 Andris Biedrins C GSW Stray Doug 7.04 Andrea Bargnani PF TOR jeffaggy 7.05 David Lee PF NYK deejay 7.06 Chris Kaman C LAC Pacers Rule 7.07 Randy Foye SG MIN TheWonderboy 7.08 Zydrunas Ilgauskas C CLE Tree 7.09 Richard Hamilton SG DET Slowhand 7.10 Rudy Gay SG MEM xpdurmind 7.11 Peja Stojakovic SG NOR Rob Thayer 7.12 Nene Hilario C DEN Urmas 8.01 Stephen Jackson SF GSW Urmas 8.02 Brad Miller C SAC Rob Thayer 8.03 Jameer Nelson PG ORL xpdurmind 8.04 Darko Milicic C MEM Slowhand 8.05 Rajon Rondo PG BOS Tree 8.06 Shane Battier SF HOU TheWonderboy 8.07 Andrew Bynum C LAL Pacers Rule 8.08 Chris Wilcox C SEA deejay 8.09 Stephon Marbury PG NYK jeffaggy 345 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:06 Should we kick Doug out of the league, Tree.... Its been 3 hours..... I'm glad the overnight went well, however, since this overnight clock does run, I will stay steadfast in that there is no reason to have a queue during that time, as this is a "live" draft. Also, my apologies to Pacers Rule, he is right for the most part he has been on my side, its the people like Doug, Dee Jay and especially Tree who need to relax a little.... 346 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:07 So what's up with no one posting rationales? We're posting our brains out in here but perhaps everyone is just intimidated by mine and WonderB's dazzling discourses over in the rationale thread . 347 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:12 If we were women I guess we could claim it was our time of the month. I guess we will just have to blame all the excess testosterone. 348 Tree       ID: 3533298       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:19 Should we kick Doug out of the league, Tree.... Its been 3 hours..... oh, buzz off and learn to read. it's not about one pick. it's about establishing a negative history, which you did in a short time frame. you were late often, you assured you would leave queues and didn't, you said "well, if the clock is off, it doesn't matter", and other things of the sort to place your interests above those of the rest of the league, and to show, quite frankly, a bit of hubris you have no business show. and then, your arrogance shines through with your asinine "I will stay steadfast in that there is no reason to have a queue during that time, as this is a "live" draft." that is so patently ridiculous and ignorant, and shows how you really don't give two $hits about other owners in this league, especially after it was pointed out that this is a 24-hour clock, as we have owners on the east coast, the west coast, and at least two in Europe. you care NOTHING about this league, and only about yourself, and while i'm not in favor of eliminating a "draft pause", you would be the perfect example if someone did want to argue about eliminating that pause. TEN draft picks went through when the draft clock was off, something certainly done because of people leaving queues, and you don't see the point!?!?!?! you're either the most selfish prick i've ever played fantasy sports with, or at least the dumbest. 349 Tree       ID: 3533298       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:21 So what's up with no one posting rationales? sorry, i was confused. i saw it as a thread to recap the draft, which obviously can't be done yet. i'll throw in some rationales now... 350 Doug       ID: 53937413       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:23 Actually, I stopped giving a shit back at 307. At 8pm PST the clock stopped and we were a full round away from my pick so no queue. I don't wake up until noon EST, so that's still considered "overnight" in my view. Thus, I'm now "relaxed" by not caring about holding up my fellow managers anymore. That way I don't get disappointed/frustrated in others or expect anything of them. *shrug* Not trying to be petty or whatever, just being honest... if I keep making a point of keeping up with the draft and others don't, then it pisses me off. By "relaxing" I won't get pissed off anymore. 351 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:24 I guess I must be a selfish prick then..... 352 Doug       ID: 53937413       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:24 Yeah... I'm just going to do one recap post at the end. I'm keeping notes along the way. 353 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:28 You know what guys (esp Doug and Tree), I must say I think you are the real jerks in this league and I pray that I finish in the top 2 so I can advance to the main RIHC and not play with either of you again. I have played both AAA Baseball and Basketball over the last few years and I have always enjoyed myself in these leagues and have been competitive. Unfortunately, its you guys giving me a bad experience. Doug - please take the full time if need be.... 354 Tree       ID: 3533298       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:36 I have played both AAA Baseball and Basketball over the last few years and I have always enjoyed myself in these leagues and have been competitive. Unfortunately, its you guys giving me a bad experience. you are the one time and time again dismissing the concerns of several of your fellow managers. think on that - if you're capable. 355 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:43 Aggy, I can tell you both Doug/Tree arent jerks at all. Pretty much the opposite. Played with Tree in the league last year, and he is a very active member, who doesnt shy away from giving his opinion. Just because people point you your mistakes doesnt make them jerks. And another thing: " I pray that I finish in the top 2 so I can advance to the main RIHC and not play with either of you again." That is a pretty childish thing to say isnt it? For the record: I am relax(ed). 356 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:46 How you put something in bold in here, it is for the rationales, still dont know how to do that? 357 Aggy's Miracles       ID: 54632208       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:48 You guys won, I'm done fighting, I'm a selfish, arrogant prick who has no respect, that's fine. I really don't think my statements are childish, Tree has made great childish quotes himself, which I don't have time to search and copy like he does.... Everyone else has my commitment that I will be making timely picks through the rest of the draft and I will prefer not to communicate with Tree from here on out. Thanks. 358 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:48 have an empty Stomo queue btw, just a heads up... 359 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:52 Its not about winning Aggy, its about getting along and making it a pleasant draft. It is not personal at all either. I dont feel like Ive won something right now. 360 Tree       ID: 3533298       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:53 [b]whatever you want in bold here[/b] but use <> instead of [] 361 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:55 thanks tree 362 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:21 did tequila leave any instuctions. i'm just getting back. 363 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:28 not really i think 364 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:28 lots of names in there for tequila so i guess i will put the top two in there in the absence of instructions. 365 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:30 sure youre the boss :) 366 Urmas @ home       ID: 5429313       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:22 I left a queue for my next two picks, but it's a bit shortish and will probably be empty by the time I'm up. Creating 11 player queue is hard enough when I'm awake but now that I'm almost asleep it seems like mission impossible. My apologies for possible holdup. I'll be back in about 9 hours. 367 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:26 Freakin' Queue stealers. Maybe I should look on the bright side as others have said....at least I'm in the right neighborhood. On the other hand, I think really we're just all looking at the same cheat sheet. 368 xpd on pda       ID: 149111523       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 18:16 From what I can tell, I got some time before it is my turn. I'll check back later. 369 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 18:26 Aggy, Shot you an email. 370 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 18:45 WonderB, Sent an email your way too. 371 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 18:48 dang, starting to feel left out, stomo! I still have a player remaining in my queue, and am leaving for a couple hours. Will be back soon after 9 pm, hopefully. Please use my queue if it's there. If not, I'll entertain trade offers for this pick. 372 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 19:25 im here, give me few minutes. 373 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 19:34 PR is up... 374 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 19:45 Guys Im off to bed, will try to come up with some sort of queue, but its not easy a 12men queue, should the list be finished, dont shoot me, Ill pick in the morning then. Assuming Im up of course. Someone just picked PR's player he wanted I think, Ive got an empty queue of him here. Goodnight. 375 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 19:51 actually a 15men queue it requires, that seems a bit crazy. 376 weykool       Leader       ID: 41750315       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 21:03 I would be willing to trade up PR. Swap 9th and 10th round picks? 377 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:15 LOL. YOU took him, Deejay. Dang. And two Pacers were taken since I last picked. You guys just aren't that accommodating. Well, I'm back to the drawing board. I had someone in mind as a backup but didn't want to queue him because I hadn't decided yet. Weycool, I'm going to consider my options here. I probably would not swap 2 rounds straight up like that, but might do it for 2 even round swaps (e.g.10th & 12th). 378 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:23 I'll swap my 9th 10th and 11th for your 2nd PR :) 379 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:24 JK... Hopefully I get to make my pick before bedtime... 380 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 23:14 Went safe here. I know....all that time for that boring player? 381 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 23:14 Re 380. LOL! Read my mind. 382 WonderB       Sustainer       ID: 241053812       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 23:16 dang. now you took my pick. plan b but i don't know what it is. 383 StomoDotCom       ID: 37444415       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 23:18 Oh WonderB, I shot you another email. 384 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 23:27 Hey, just get deejay to trade you Harris in the a.m. and I'll trade you Tayshaun for him. 385 WonderB       ID: 419161513       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 00:22 found sombody else unexciting. but i guess like tayshaun he'll get the job done. ohhh man did i debate this one. just nobody i liked left but a bunch of late round picks. ironic. 386 xpdurmind       Sustainer       ID: 319471922       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 00:31 Tree has a queue, but it's the player I want !.....Don't know if that's good or bad? Should I pick for him?.... 387 WonderB       ID: 419161513       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 00:35 sorry x. daydreaming i'll put em in 388 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 00:36 LOL! Well not if it's the player you want - when he comes back to find his queue still sitting there he may have changed his mind ;-) 389 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 00:41 #385 - yeah for some reason there does kind of feel like a dropoff here for some reason. 390 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 01:54 Nonetheless, I'm interested in trading up here. For anyone's next pick, I'll exchange the next two odd round picks, or any two of 11, 13, or 15. Alternatively, I'll swap my 10th for your 11th. Or make me an offer. I'll check in the morning for interest- around 7:30 Eastern time. I'll have to work things out via email tomorrow if it's later morning. 391 Urmas       ID: 44411285       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 02:11 You guys didn't take anybody from my queue! Do you realize how much it makes me question my judgement? 392 Pacers Rule       Sustainer       ID: 910311210       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 02:26 This is why you want to trade with me now. Don't make a mistake you'll regret all season! 393 Tequila       ID: 24932172       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 04:32 wonderB thanks for processing my queue, everything is fine. I have read tree's suggestions about queues and i find them useful but i decided not to use them yesterday. in the future i'll post special instructions for the queue if necessary, if not everything is ok as last night. 394 deejay       Donor       ID: 501182710       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 05:39 377 I thought so PR, that it was DevinH. Lol Prince was my back up plan should Harris been gone. So you took him, that makes sense :) 395 WonderB       ID: 419161513       Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 07:38 is this getting hard to load for anyone because it is so big. 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