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Subject: AAA#2 discussion
Posted by: WonderB
- [419161513] Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 07:35
these are some rules you can read. RIHC Discussion |
| 1 | weykool
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ID: 41750315
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 08:44
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Well that blows.
The player I was wanting to trade up for was Tayshaun.
So what would it take to trade for him now?
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| 2 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 08:56
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Lemme see if you stole any of my picks before. Maybe we can work something out :-)
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| 3 | deejay
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Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:05
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no thats me PR :)))
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| 4 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:05
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For a minute I wondered about you taking Odom and Tayshaun for J.O. and this pick - but I'm not really in a spot where I can pour over the stats adequately. Odom vs. J.O. - more assists, less blocks, similar boards, don't recall %'s or steals - points similar but may lose a few with Odom. Of course, if Kobe leaves dodge, Odom could blow up...
Hmmm...Thoughts? If interested, please update me on those 3 cats so I can make a more informed decision. Looks like some sites are blocked here at work, limiting my research capabilities.
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| 5 | weykool
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ID: 41750315
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:10
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I'm happy with Jermo and dont really like Odom.
What about Tayshaun for my 9th and swapping 10th and 12th?
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| 6 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:21
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Considering it. need a few minutes
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| 7 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:38
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Sorry. Looks like I'm standing pat for now.
3 man queue left in case it gets back to me before the late afternoon.
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| 8 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:41
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Since it's sitll 12 picks away, and I can't leave a huge queue I'll be picking later this afternoon. Should be back in 4 hours so I'll pick then.
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| 9 | Aggy's Miracles
ID: 54632208
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:41
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Stomo, I didn't get your e-mail?
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| 10 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 09:54
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Resent.
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| 11 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 10:29
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have an empty queue from xp... have no instructions...
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| 12 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 11:45
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xp that player was very high on my list, shame on you.
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| 13 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 11:46
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And Slow beats Aggy to Shaq via queue....Tree's up.
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 13:13
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will pick shortly. just got out of a long meeting...
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| 15 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 13:27
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And you're up in RWF, Tree
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| 16 | WonderB @inlaws
ID: 50591818
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 14:34
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sorry guys i'm caught away from home and everything that helps me decide. looks like it will be at least 4pm before i am back.
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| 17 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 14:40
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Ive a write-in of you WonderB, and could help, but if you dont know who you want, then we wait.
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| 18 | xpd on pda
ID: 149111523
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 16:31
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5 hrs of boring speakers. Thought that I will be able to send u an offer PR, but somehow the email is still sitting in my in box.
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| 19 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 16:39
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No problem, Tree. This is actually more of the pace I prefer. A little more time to think through your picks and less need for queues.
XP- you wanted to trade for my upcoming pick or trade away the pick you already had, or trade for Tayshaun?
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| 20 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:15
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back. pick in a few
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| 21 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:22
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Here's a thought.
I'd be willing to swap one of or both my next 2 picks and a player so I can upgrade at PG. If you have dimes to move, let me know.
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| 22 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:33
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dang- I had just settled on Brand and you took him.
Interested in trading him to me for this pick and switching picks with me in the next round and 13th?
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| 23 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:34
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Dang Brand is gone.
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| 24 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:36
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deejay *shhhh* - act like it was a botched pick....
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| 25 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:39
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that is too late now. :)
who are you gonna steal right in front of my eyes this time around, PR?
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| 26 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:41
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Hmmmm, maybe he unplugged right away. Posted and emailed trade offer.
I won't hog up most of the evening on the clock again. If I don't hear back soon, I'll make a pick and move on.
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| 27 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:49
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donno
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| 28 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:51
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i does feel good to finally do that to someone else for a change.
the guy that picked pau in a private league won it last year. can brand do the same?
i'll hold him. sorry.
i believe i can put him on the DL first day.
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| 29 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:59
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yup, per guru/rihc. We can all agree he's more than day to day :-)
Ok, well, nice pick. Hope it works out for you.
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| 30 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:13
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There...that wasn't so bad....
Dang- talk about butterflies on this pick- We're getting into a lot more unknown territory for me. At least Calderon won't hurt me, particularly. How much he helps remains to be seen, and he fills out my mandatory positions, which is a boost.
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| 31 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:14
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Going out for a meeting and dinner- be home by 9:00ish but I'm sure it won't be back yet.
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| 32 | xpd still in meeting
ID: 499101716
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:16
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PR, I will not be able to make any deals or trades for a while.
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| 33 | weykool@work
ID: 2842717
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 19:34
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I think the injury to Brand is far more serious than the injury to Gasol last year.
There are not many players who will be able to return to full strength in less than 1 year with this type of injury.
It will be interesting to see how Brand does this year.
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| 34 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 19:41
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Anyone has a queue from Tequila? He's probably asleep right now... 1.40 AM overhere....
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| 35 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 20:16
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ive made a small queue(in case of), hope the list survives, should it turn around to me, worst case scenario= ill pick in the morning then...
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| 36 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 20:55
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#11 deejay, I think I had players in my queue, but I think I didn't make it available. I figured I'd be able to pick myself. It was time to upgrade my phone, so I got one with windows mobile so I can surf the interned while I'm driving :) By the way, you're better off without Crawford and his FG%.
PR, The player I was interested in is off the board now. I had wanted to swap picks so I can get him....I still haven't figured out why my PDA is not sending the emails...that's will have to wait. Got to look at the carnage you guys inflicted so far...
WonderB, are you making the available players FA after the draft or will they be on waivers?
And when are we projecting to finish?
I considered Brand with my 10th pick, from what I read, he was fitted for a walking boot 2 weeks ago. He shouldn't need it in 4 week. Then you have rehab. That is when I stopped reading. There is no timetable on his rehab. But I still think he's a good value pick at this point in the draft. If he gives you 30 games at old EB #'s in addition to whomever else you replace him with from the FA, it can add up to some decent stats.
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| 37 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 21:04
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Of course, I emailed kafenatid yesterday to add Juan Carlos Navarro thinking that I can get him with my 11th pick if Walton is gone, and Tequila scoops him up. I shouldn't have done that. Maybe Tequila wouldn't have noticed him sitting there and I could've just posted my pick here... :(
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| 38 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 21:27
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i have a one man queue but i bet i know who will take him right in front of me.
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| 39 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 21:37
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"Following the draft, all undrafted players will be placed on waivers, and waiver priorities will start out in inverse draft order."
quote from suggested reading material at top ;}
we are still projectiong to finish on the 21st. although things may slow down, i know i am agonizing and poaring over reading material. we also lose tree for a window on the 19th to 20th, no exact times yet, where i will stop the clock for him if nessecary to accomidate.
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| 40 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 21:41
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on brand, you should have kept reading. it mentioned a hope for the new year. the one i read anyway.
a guy can always hope.
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| 41 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:00
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Brand reports into the gym at 7 am daily for his rehab and workouts. That's dedication. I read this article and decided he's coming back this year and when he does he will be on a mission.
Still, a fairly weak pick here, so if you want me to bail you out, WonderB, just say the word. I'll take him off your hands.
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| 42 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:10
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I would've never drafted Brand this year unless it were at least the 13th round. The guy is coming off a major leg injury and he'll certainly be rusty after missing all that time if and when he comes back. But even so, it's important to keep in mind about the Western Conference playoff picture. In other words, will the Clippers make it? If it looks like they have a chance at least half way into the season, Brand might just be back (even quicker than anticipated). However, I don't see them making the playoffs and if they're really out of the picture, they might just take it even slower with Brand if they even bring him back at all.
Though I hope I eat my words and the Clippers do make it in the end. Though all this Brand talk has served as a smokescreen to allow me, at least, to spot more sleepers in the draft ;)
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| 43 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:16
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Doug,
I emailed a trade offer.
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| 44 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:31
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Is Doug on EST or PST? anyone know?
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| 45 | Doug
ID: 53937413
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:36
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PST. I don't see a trade offer in my inbox. I checked my inbox before picking, but didn't check the boards. Sry.
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| 46 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 22:48
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Well you know, WonderB. You could always trade up to my pick to prevent that. All you need to do is trade me your next round pick for my last :-)
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| 47 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:08
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deejay,
offer sent
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| 48 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:10
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Doug, np...I used the reprazent.com address.
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| 49 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:12
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PR,
since deejay picked, please wait 1 min to read my offer before making ur pick.
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| 50 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:18
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trades in the works. i like it . there were a total of 3 trades last year. i was involved with two of them.
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| 51 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:22
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looking
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| 52 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:32
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response sent
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| 53 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:36
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sent back
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| 54 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:40
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WonderB, hope you waited up for this one.... I'll post it and XP can confirm.
I am trading my 11th round pick and 13th round pick for XP's 11th and 12th round picks. I will have 2 12th rounders and he'll have two 13th rounders. Can you switch em around on kafenatid for us?
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| 55 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:42
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k
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| 56 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:44
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Looks like XP gets to snag your player, WonderB.
Now the question is am I ready to pick 3 players in a very short time.....and I thought I was going to get some sleep tonight!
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| 57 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:47
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confirmed....Thanks PR...I just couldn't wait after what Stomo in #42 said. I was affraid he was going to get snatched be WB :) before he got back to me.
It might be a reach here, but oh well...
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| 58 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:47
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look good?
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| 59 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:52
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any instructions from the next two?
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| 60 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:52
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looks good....Thanks WB....I'm giving out quite a bit on a gamble here...Hopefully he wasn't who u had in mind.
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| 61 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:53
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just picked for Tree
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| 62 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:56
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Looks beautiful, WonderB. I forgot this was a very cool feature of Kafenatid's draft software. I just confused by the color coding in the draft grid :-)
If you've ever been in a draft with Mike D, you need to set your video card to max colors just to keep up with the action.
XP, here were some comments from an ESPN article on the impact of Brand's injury on your man:
Al Thornton, F: The Clippers probably have no shot at making the playoffs without Brand, which means they won't waste any time getting Thornton the minutes he needs to gain some experience. Thornton was one of the draft's most athletic players, and he has the pure talent to dominate at any level. I still think he has room for growth and for refining his game, but that doesn't mean he can't have fantasy value this year. Remember, this is a guy who averaged 19.7 points, 7.2 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks and 1.0 3-pointers per game while shooting .530 from the floor and .790 from the line at Florida State last year. The potential for multi-category production, combined with the fact that he'll most likely see 30-32 minutes per game this season, makes Thornton a quality sleeper candidate in fantasy leagues. Just be sure to remember that he'll be a high-risk/high-reward selection due to his lack of experience.
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| 63 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:57
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looks like that's it for the queues
good night boys
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| 64 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:59
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Holy Crap! It's to me again already?
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| 65 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 00:03
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Wow... Didn't read that one.I was reading the local papers here in LA...Thanks PR. Hopefully it works out great for both of us.
And I also figured it wouldn't get back to me tomorrow. Didn't like being distracted today :)
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| 66 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 00:05
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Hmmm.
Well them I'm wondering if Weykool and Urmas are around. If not, I don't need to rush here.
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| 67 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 00:31
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Doesn't look like they're around...
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| 68 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 00:41
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nah, Urmas is probably sleeping and so is Weykool, presumably- just at different ends of the night. I emailed both and haven't heard from either.
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| 69 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 03:02
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Removed all designated pickers except WonderB for these next two picks. Instructions sent.
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| 70 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 06:49
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sorry xp, was asleep and was on auto pilot, when you send me that offer...
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| 71 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 10:58
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and tree is up...
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| 72 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 12:14
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im here give me a bit.
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| 73 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 12:32
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Cant believe you guys left me Anthony Parker, that is a small steal i got myself there.
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| 74 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 12:40
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Guys left a queue for the DP. Gotta run.
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| 75 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 14:39
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isn't parker in like,,, a 5 way time share.
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| 76 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 14:46
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no he starts at SG with Dixon backing him up. The rest of the guys you are referring to (Kapono and co) are battling SF out.
Mitchell likes him.
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| 77 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 14:48
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I have a queue from stomo, should I go ahead?
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| 78 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 15:48
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xp is up...
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| 79 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 17:09
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Q up for next few picks if it goes that far while i'm out for my birthday dinner.
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| 80 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 17:13
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is it today? Happy Birthday!!
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| 81 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 17:16
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Happy Bday WonderB
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| 82 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 17:58
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Wonder B should be up right after XP makes his next pick.
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| 83 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 18:18
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Im off to bed, left a queue, round 14 only, though I would be surprised if it made to me.
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| 84 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 19:44
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Deejay thanks for picking up the queue for me.
I'll be around to pick later rounds unless otherwise noted. Thanks again!
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| 85 | Tree
ID: 209481818
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 20:49
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xpdur really needs to pick so i can get my pick in before i'm out of contact for like 12 hours!! :o)
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| 86 | Pacers Rule
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Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 20:57
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Tree, we made it pretty far here before your trip. I figured you were packing since you've been so scarce in here.
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| 87 | Tree
ID: 209481818
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 21:22
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i have been packing and stuff. i left a 2 man queue. if they both get picked before my pick, i'll try and make one in the morning. that queue is for this round.
i'm also going to really try and load my queue up tomorrow before i leave for the next round.
but yea, after the staggered start, we started kicking butt. thanks everyone!
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| 88 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 21:31
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i thought there was an outside shot at finishing the whole thing. guess not.
emailed Xpdurmind.
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| 89 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 21:40
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Sorry boys...Just got home, I'll pick shortly....Didn't expect my PDA battery to run out on me today...
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| 90 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 21:40
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He's up again four picks later too.
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| 91 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 22:09
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Happy birthday WB. I almost took Villanueva. He was 1st in my queue.
Picked for WB and Tree. Slowhand is up then me again.
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| 92 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 22:23
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are you kidding me. jason was first on my list. doesn't matter who is picking in pacer's spot they take my guy.
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| 93 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 23:09
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LMAO!!
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| 94 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 23:11
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XP, are you sure Tree didn't leave instructions for Marquis Daniels to be a 15th round pick only?
Man, you guys didn't leave me a single Pacer!
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| 95 | weykool
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ID: 41750315
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 00:06
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I am here and will pick shortly.
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| 96 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 01:29
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WB,
# 92 If you're serious, I'll trade you straight up... J will for Villa!
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| 97 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 04:01
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PR is up and it is his moment to get a Pacer :)
Handled some queues that we're giving to me as a warm-up for the day.
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| 98 | Tree
ID: 209481818
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 04:36
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yep. that queue was for one round, not two.
ian - i'll send you a list of players. if it's possible to swap out, i'd appreciate it. and i'll make my 15th and final round pick when i land later. off to the airport in about 5 minutes...
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| 99 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 05:08
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oops my bad. sorry for that tree. WonderB can you fix it please? thanks.
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| 100 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 07:22
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Should I wait or has it been fixed?
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| 101 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 07:38
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dont think it has been fixed yet, maybe wait for WonderB...
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| 102 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 09:15
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I'm handling it by leaving a queue with wonderB as the only picker. Once he fixes Tree's situation, He can take my top remaining player.
Wonder B if it makes it back to me, my queue is also good for round 15. Thx
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| 103 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 09:35
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crap
wait still
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| 104 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 09:43
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ok tree is fixed. he got his top pick and nothing else changes.
pacers rule r u ok with j r smith i assume.
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| 105 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 10:00
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tree's top pick happened to be also my top pick... back to the drawing board :)
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| 106 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 10:14
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Yes, good with that, thanks.
I figured if Tree can pluck Marquis for one good game, I can take J.R. on the same basis.
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| 107 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 11:30
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Aggy, nice pick. You look like the team to beat right now.
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| 108 | Aggy's Miracles
ID: 54632208
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:04
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Thanks Pacers Rule, Martin is a big risk/reward pick for me, we'll see....
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| 109 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:30
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i picked for stomo, assuming that is the plan, if tequila turns it around, then i will prolly wait for stomo, i have no instructions...
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| 110 | Tequila
ID: 89381911
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:38
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here i am, let me think 5 minutes for my last pick
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| 111 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:41
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no hurry tequila, dont know if stomo's pick is/was for 2 rounds...
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| 112 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:42
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i mean queue no pick
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| 113 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:57
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I'm off to a preseason Pacers game in about 90 minutes, so if it gets back to me before I get home tonight- my queue still has 2 players in it.
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| 114 | deejay
Donor
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Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:18
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need WonderB or Stomo, the player in stomo's queue might have been second choice for his last round pick...
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| 115 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:19
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for his previous pick that should be as in round 14
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| 116 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:27
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Thanks for holding up guys, I forgot to post as I left the queue...it was for both rounds but now I picked.
On another note, I have a question.
I remember last year that we had to declare any injuries on the thread here, followed by our sources. However, is there any way we can just be required to post our injuries on the league page, in Yahoo? I'm not sure what people have felt about that in the past but for me personally, It'd save me some time from having to go back and forth, and it would also be easier to keep track of every team's injuries that way.
Again, I don't know what we've decided on the past but is there anyway we can just leave the postings on the Yahoo page, for organizational purposes at least?
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| 117 | deejay
Donor
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Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:29
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picked for Doug, Aggy is up...
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| 118 | Pacers Rule
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Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:01
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#116 WonderB- obviously totally up to you as commish. I must have been the hard a** last year that required an active link to document the injury reference/proof on the discussion thread. :-)
I liked that for 2 reasons. First, I think it's good that people check in on the discussion thread regularly. To me, that's not really a burden. I think use of the league discussion thread makes for a richer experience. I have to say that so far, I think this is the best league I have ever been in for discussion board activity, at least in terms of sheer volume and participation. Hopefully that will continue into the regular season. I didn't find that people used the yahoo discussion board that much because it wasn't nearly as well set up as Guru's boards.
The second reason I liked everyone posting them here on Guru's boards was because it enabled the use of live links, unlike the yahoo site. It was so nice/easy as commish to be able to just click on the link to find the documentation. So that was my selfish reason. Maybe you're more magnanimous than I, WonderB.
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| 119 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:08
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oops PR you are here, picked for you...
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| 120 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:09
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I have a queue of WonderB, its ok I continue, PR?
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| 121 | Pacers Rule
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Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:10
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no problem, I think that was the pick I wanted.
I just picked for WonderB, so Tree is up. Hopefully he left a queue for someone b/c I think he's on his trip now.
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| 122 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:11
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queue is empty or unavailable it shows for me...
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| 123 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:46
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tree said he would pick his last when he got off the plane. i've stopped the clock for the rest of the draft.
as for posting injuies.
we will follow the same rules as guru set out.
Roster Positions (12/3/2): PG, SG, G, G, PF, SF, F, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories (8): FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, ST, BLK
Max games per position: 84
Roster moves: Daily
I figured it would be good to recap the rules regarding the injury slots:
Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.
An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).
Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.
If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.
If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.
Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.
The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.
No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.
As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.
i check/scan the rotoworld news board pretty much every day anyway so i am fine without a link to that site in your post.
simply:
as per rotoworld my guy hurt his pinky and won't play for two weeks/twisted ankle and left in a walking boot/...some small description and any estimate of return time might be nice.
however if you get info from a differnt site i would like a link for the reasons pacer mentioned.
as far as the venue is concerned i haven't really thought about it. i assumed it would be here as everyone is familiar with it. STOMO, are you talking about the messages we can leave at the bottom of the league page, "RECENT MESSAGES". that would be ok but we can't put links in. you would have to type(paste) any required links in so others could copy and paste to an address bar.
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| 124 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 15:58
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does everyone else use the rotowould site like me.
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| 125 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:05
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I do
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| 126 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:24
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I do as well. What I would do is literally post the latest report from RotoWorld on the Yahoo League Page. At the end, dropping the link if anyone wants to double check would serve almost as a footnote. I figure this would save plenty of time. I mean if we're going to post in rotoguru just for the idea of clicking links, thats silly. Posting injuries in a discussion board will get hectic, especially considering the communication that will be going on.
Could I propose an alternative...a thread strictly for IS slots?
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| 127 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:26
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^^and by post onto Yahoo League Page, I mean paste the information. For example:
Hawks' point guard Speedy Claxton has left the team to get consultation in Vancouver on his sore left knee.
"Speedy's in Vancouver and other than that I don't know what to tell you," Mike Woodson said. "The MRI came back clean, so I don't know what the severity of his injury might be. But we have to move on. We can't wait." This is not the same knee Speedy had surgery on in June, and it appears he won't be ready for opening night. With Tyronn Lue sidelined (knee), either Acie Law or Anthony Johnson should be manning the point for the Hawks. Of those two, only Law has any real fantasy potential.
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution
http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=697
Of course this isn't my decision to make but it just makes a bit more sense, unless we go with a separate thread. It'll get very hectic, very quickly.
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| 128 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 18:35
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Talk about timing. I might need to add Zaza Pachulia to the injury list now.
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| 129 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 19:47
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128 and so it begins.
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| 130 | Pacers Rule
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Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 01:29
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I'm not sure about the rotowould site, but I use the rotoworld site pretty regularly :-)
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| 131 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 09:38
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ya ya
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| 132 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 14:51
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So where are we posting injuries Wonderb? Here, yahoo, both?
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| 133 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 15:56
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separating discussion and injuries might make sense.
the injuries can stay on yahoo. put the player name in the subject heading. the body of your copy and paste in the message. we will try this, if it works ok, great, otherwise we will make two theads here.
i've got my first injury up. and i'm ready to right about 4 more.
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| 134 | Pacers Rule
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Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 21:01
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I've wondered in the past if it would make sense for a "master" RIHC IL eligible list that all the RIHC leagues with ILs would use - but I'm not sure if that would make sense.
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| 135 | Pacers Rule
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Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 21:11
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WonderB- any idea on time frame of when we will 'start' our season on yahoo - players available for our first run of waiver pickups, etc. Was tree out for a whole week now? If so, we would still have time to wait and still get our lineups set before opening night.
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| 136 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 21:30
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Woo Hoo!!! J. R. Smith has been suspended three games for conduct detrimental to the team.
He apologized to everyone but his fantasy owners.
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| 137 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 22:45
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I see the last pick has been made so i will work on imputing the teams into yahoo tomorrow.
as far as waivers they will start on opening day. at least that is what i'm thinking/ hoping.
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| 138 | Pacers Rule
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Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 17:01
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Don't we want/need waivers to start in advance of opening day, so if there are any pickups people want to make due to IL openings or roster changes they want to make, they can do it prior to opening night? This has been my experience with RIHC - that full rosters could be set in advance of the opening tip-off.
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| 139 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 19:48
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oh.
well the league is started. and things are up and running. on the player page it says all players are on waivers untill oct 23.
when i set it up all i can set is whether players are on waivers or free agents. i assumed the waiver period would start on opening day but i guess it has already started.
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| 140 | xpdurmind
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Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 00:28
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Questions will arise if you have a player that is projected out for the remainder of the preseason. Are we allowed to pick up replacements?
I can see if someone has Brand or Marcus Williams or Anthony Carter, etc...But how about someone like Amare?
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| 141 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 11:20
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i think if you find an article stating he will not start the season you can put him on DL. it will be the same in the regular season. you can't put him there without something solid. 'day to day' and 'might not play tomorrow' are generally not good enough to place a player on the DL.
that said, i have not commished this DL style before. what i can find of the rules Guru has writen out do not deal with 'proof' or 'minimum requirements' of putting players on the DL.
the plan is to follow the RIHC lead here so i will try to investigate further.
PR do you have a list of these rules.
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| 142 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 15:32
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An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).
still the only thing i can find. so...141 looks correct.
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| 143 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 16:35
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I think you hit it right on the nose, WonderB. Last few years I believe being out for preseason did not matter if the player was projected to be available or questionable for opening night. Only if the player was definitely out for opening night with an injury worse than "day to day" did preseason or offseason injuries matter. I think when a player was injured so that he could not play and there was a definite time-table of when he would return, we looked at that for IS eligibility. Otherwise, it's a day to day situation......he may play, or he may not, we're not sure. We did have problems with that at some point though, because I know some players can be day to day for a really LONG time but still be officially day to day. I think in the league I commished last year, we went to an automatic IS eligibility for day to day players who had missed 5 consecutive games, or something like that. I guess we'd have to go back and look. One year I had Jamaal Tinsley and he missed maybe 30 games while officially 'day to day'. We have bench slots in our league not to tie up the FA pool or just to cover the extra games played per position, imo, but also to fill in in a less serious injury situation, so any short term injury is not necessarily eligible for IS status. We did give IS status to Primoz Brezec one year, however, due to being out for "two weeks" with "dehydration". That was pretty borderline but since there was a timetable proposed and it was not like "he might play in the next game" we went ahead and gave it to him.
I know I'm not giving you definitive answers here, but I guess that's why you're the commish this year and I'm not! Others may have helpful opinions/experience on this as well. You can always shoot guru an email in general on this or on a specific instance that comes up. You can also see what other commishes are doing in their leagues. This is one reason I thought a master RIHC IS eligibility list made sense, to help lift the burden off individual commishes and also create some consistency/standardization. However I feel the leagues have been pretty consistent on this in years past. Some of you are probably thinking this sounds dreadful and we should have just gone with an extra bench slot with no restrictions. However, I am confident this will work itself out as the season goes along with minimal issues and it will really help to minimize the impact of significant injuries to help make that less of a factor in the final standings, which an extra bench slot does not do.
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| 144 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 23:52
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WB, Thanks again. Inputting our teams in Yahoo required a good block of time.
I think PR has an excellent idea. It should be simple enough to have a thread labeled RHIC Injured List. It would be uniform across all the leagues and would require less work on the part of each commissioner. It would be a collective effort.
For example: If Yao stubs his toe and I find a source that says he'll be out for an extended period, I would email a request to the RHIC and both AAA commissioners. Whomever gets it 1st or decides to reply to it 1st can post in the thread. Once a manager initiates a request through email, only the commissioners can post an acceptable injury in the thread. The tread should stay free of clutter and easy to follow to all the managers that might have that players.
Just my 2¢...
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| 145 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 23:57
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that would be up to guru.
we could point it out.
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| 146 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 22:36
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If we get a 2nd thread, I'm all for it.
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| 148 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 02:30
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Finally got my Pacer, if only as a walk-on.
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| 149 | deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 12:51
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and ricky to the Heat it seems, hmmm.
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| 150 | Urmas @ home
ID: 5429313
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 14:55
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...and apparently Mark Blount too. So I have two backup centers of Miami. Hmm... At least one of them should bet a few minutes PT then, I suppose.
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| 151 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 21:58
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Man, that sux for Blount and Shaq and Morning fantasy owners. Probably a net loss for Ricky Davis too. Got to hand it to Riley, though. This helps Miami. But dang, what was Minny thinking? Walker? Seems they just further committed to their youth movement here and will win even less games.
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| 152 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 13:24
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Urmas, did you get my email trade inquiry?
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| 153 | xpdurmind
Sustainer
ID: 319471922
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 22:31
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WB, trade offer sent...
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| 154 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 20:27
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Urmas, I can't believe it, but I'm biting on your offer. Straight up.
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| 155 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 20:31
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WonderB - question for the commish. What are we doing in terms of trade review process? I see on Yahoo it appears we have a next day processing of trades? Will you automatically process trades unless they clearly look unfair or if there are multiple manager objections? Seems usually with RIHC leagues we do not have issues with inappropriate trades and in the past the wait for finalization has been frustrating.
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| 156 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 20:33
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........And we're underway. Best of luck to all!
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| 157 | Urmas
ID: 44411285
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 04:51
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Pacers Rule, you probably can't believe that either but I'm having second thoughts. I know it was my idea and stuff but... Well, it's just me.
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| 158 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 08:26
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If a trade is posted now i might wait at least untill tonight to finalize it since it doesn't make a difference to your rosters today. i believe the protest period was 3 days. if i've already approved and there is a valid protest i would reverse the trade and let the protest procedure then take place.
the procedure being the effected managers post a trade rationalization and a possible vote.
maybe sticking to some rules and bending others but thats the way i did it last year and there were no complaints. there were only 3 trades there though.
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| 159 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 08:49
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i don't see a trade posted. did i miss something?
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| 160 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 08:58
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no, i guess he didn't pull the trigger yet.
just outlining a general timeline as requested.
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| 161 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 16:15
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Discussions only. The trade wait period was a general question.
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| 162 | xpd
ID: 499101716
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 16:50
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1st place boys! Wire to wire....
Ok,back to earth!...You cannot fault me for enjoying it. I probably will not see it again this year.
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| 164 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 23:50
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Hey, what's worse than stealing a Pacer right out from under me in the draft?
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| 165 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 21:01
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That's right.....offering to trade me one then changing your mind! I'm going to pout now....
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| 166 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 17:16
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At least Tayshaun has softened the blow :-)
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| 167 | WonderB
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Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 23:36
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turkoglu in the 13th rnd. wow gotta be the early favorite for steal of the draft.
anybody else?
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| 168 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 19:23
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The Eastern Conference Player of the week in the sixth round looks like a pretty good grab as well.
Dunleavy also off to a hot start. Chris Kaman in the 7th has been pretty beastly thusfar.
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| 169 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:13
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Seems like a few of these players can't seem to stick on any of our teams - but we keep passing them around! We should just trade our duds and save our waiver rankings.
Slow - should I feel insulted when you pick up one of my Pacers castoffs?
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| 170 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 12:04
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going nuts on the wire myself. didn't draft enough solid guys, now i'm stugling to find that 12th man with mobley and foye out for the moment.
anybody want some rebounds in evens. i'd trade for a lower tier PG.
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| 171 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 15:22
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I will be in the market for Rebs sometime this season.
I drafted 3 PG's with my first 4 picks so I will have something of value to offer.
Keep me in mind when you are considering a deal.
My target date will be some time in December with Jan 1 at the latest.
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| 172 | deejay
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Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 17:26
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damn you tree, wanted mardy too. :)
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| 173 | Tree
ID: 221091318
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 19:15
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willing to work out a deal. lol
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| 174 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 20:57
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Re 169...Hell no I already dumped him lol
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| 175 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 21:39
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WonderB, nice pickup. I saw the Marbury news earlier today and I had to slap myself tonight when I saw your pickup and thought "Man, why didn't I think of that?!"
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| 176 | deejay
ID: 191051143
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 05:57
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173
You can keep him, thanks though. :)
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| 177 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 10:28
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well i dumped moon for nate. moon was a bit of a hommer pickup but as far as i can tell he gets stats i already have so i dumped him back on the marbury news. i would have liked to see another game from moon.
maybe i got my asst help with nate. look out when foye gets back.
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| 178 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 21:33
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I demand a vote for that pending trade.It throws the balance of the league out of whack :)
#169 PR it looks like they're following your suggestion.
WB, Why don't you go ahead and push it through.
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| 179 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 21:39
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Who knew we'd get hit with a blockbuster deal this early in the season?
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| 180 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 23:04
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i know it's big and it changes all your plans but it might go though.
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| 181 | Pacers Rule
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Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 00:40
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Man, Cassell is really blowing up. How about RJ? Some real nice surprises early.
I'm looking to move Maggette's multi-cat line for some good steals/blocks production, if anyone likes Maggette's start and upside this year.
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| 182 | Urmas
ID: 44411285
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 02:39
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OK. My team feels much improved now and will surely start climbing up the standings after that trade. Return of Wade might have some effect too.
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| 183 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 16:56
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i'm out till sunday night. if sombody wants to trade me all their good guys i'll approve it then.
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| 184 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:55
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well this is just great. my team is so bad now i'm picking up players i've already dumped once.
by the way i want Moon back. Nate definatly wasn't worth droping him for. how the heck is tequila in first with all my dropped players.
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| 185 | xpdurmind
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Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:44
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#184 WB the answer is KG...
deejay you're too quick on the draw! Daniels is a nice pick up.
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| 187 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 20:37
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how bad is this.
bosh sucks
deng sucks and is hurt
foye hasn't played a game
now gilbert may as well be done for the season.
4 of my top 6 picks.
i need to trade gilbert or brand to clear an IS.
anyone interested.
i just need someone playable.
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| 188 | xpdurmind
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ID: 319471922
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 22:51
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Tough breaks bro. Bosh is picking it up.
Vince came off the bench, so I dropped Navarro.
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| 189 | deejay
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 05:57
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185
I learned that through the years, xp.
Be fast, or miss out.
Im very happy with ADaniels. :)
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| 190 | Pacers Rule
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 19:16
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Happy Turkey Day, all.
Looks like I was a few hours late on Daniels as well. We're all jealous.
WonderB- Gilbert worried me out of the gate. Very tough losing first rounders for that much time.
Looks like I quit too early on J.R. Smith- though I see XP also dropped him once before taking him again.
We'll see if I'm living in a dreamland with Robert Swift. Probably.
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| 191 | Pacers Rule
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Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 17:36
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Per game standings as of yesterday (minus formatting, sorry):
3/g rank; pts/g rank; reb/g rank; ast/g rank; stl/g rank; blk/g rank; fg% rank; ft% rank; overall pts per game; per game rank; Team; Games (played) Back
8 9 10 10 12 11 2 3 65 1 StomoDotCom 34
5 7 12 11 5 7 6 11 64 2 Indy Dream 13
11 2 8 12 11 5 3 10 62 3 Weykool 17
10 5 11 7 7 4 9 8 61 4 DJ 16
4 11 3 8 10 2 10 12 60 5 Tequila's Underdogs 1
9 8 6 4 8 10 11 1 57 6 Aggy's Miracles 15
1 10 7 5 6 12 12 2 55 7 Slowhand 20
12 12 9 3 1 1 8 9 55 8 Slam-alama-ding-Doug 23
7 6 4 9 9 6 5 6 52 9 bladerunners 0
3 3 2 1 4 8 7 5 33 10 Necro Butcher's scar 4
6 1 5 2 3 9 1 4 31 11 Sydney's picks 15
2 4 1 6 2 3 4 7 29 12 Team Urmas 21
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| 192 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 02:39
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Yep, dreamland. Now in addition to the knee, Swift has plantar fascitis. Still, Collison is not getting enough minutes. C'mon coach!
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| 193 | Tree
ID: 61030265
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 06:32
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whoa, whoa, whoa.
i think the trade that is posted HAS to be protested. it's a rare case of a non-collusion trade that can't be allowed to go through.
Jordan Farmar - a non-starter who is still available on the waiver wire in many leagues and who is barely playing 20 minutes a game - for a perennial top 5 Fantasy pick.
injured or not, i do not believe this is even close to value for Arenas.
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| 195 | deejay
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 09:51
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I want to rephrase it my previous post:
We should talk about this trade, not sure if I find it fair.
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| 196 | weykool
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 10:07
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I think it will be difficult to estimate the true value of Arenas.
He will be out for 3 months leaving the owner 2 months of his services.
How will Arenas perform when he comes back?
If Farmar is available on the waiver wire in your league perhaps you should pick him up.
He is ranked #99 in Yahoo for actull stats thus far this season.
I'm not sure this trade will upset the competitive balance of the league.
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| 197 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 14:18
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i'm not real sure of the value of gilbert.
the other offers i had( after about a week and a half after first posting)
j williams (just dumped) alston or j jack from XPD/bladerunners
paja stojakovic from weycool
and of course farmer.
i've read a few different things about farmer saying he is getting an increased roll.
i seriously considered paja but i can't take more injuries and risks. (though i don't know if my season is salvigably anyway)
we will see what other managers say about it.
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| 198 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 14:56
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i simply don't buy that Arenas is worth a guy who *might* be getting increased minutes.
i think it's an extremely unbalanced trade. if i had a nickel for every NBA player over the last 5 years that might be getting more minutes and thusly develop into a star, i'd be a millionaire.
Yahoo rankings, quite honestly, don't mean crap. it's nice to use them for a general idea, but they often seem random and out of touch with the real value of a player.
i have picked Farmar up in other leagues. i still dont believe for a minute that 6 months of Jordan Farmer is even close to 3 months of Gilbert Arenas.
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| 199 | Aggy's Miracles
ID: 599443112
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 15:59
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I do think this trade needs to be reversed, if Arenas wasn't a top 10 player, I would feel differently. Obviously, his value in roto league does decrease though when compared to a head to head league.
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| 200 | weykool
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 21:50
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"Yahoo rankings, quite honestly, don't mean crap".
You have got to be kidding me.
They are based on the actual statistics that the players have scored as compared to what other players have done.
Granted they may not tell the whole story but they tell at least 90% of it.
To ignore the rankings we might as well ignore the stats and rely on everyone's "personal opinion".
Another correction:
When Arenas comes back AFTER 3 months there will be two months left in the season.
So it is a comparison of 5 months of Farmar vs two months of Arenas coming of a nagging injury.
Farmar has plenty of upside while Arenas has plenty of downside.
I do know that I offered Peja for Arenas and I was debating if I should cancell the offer because I was thinking I was giving up far too much for a player with too much downside.
Luckily for me WB made the decision for me.
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| 201 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 22:11
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Yes, it's clear this trade will be a crushing blow to your fantasy hopes, so I can understand the angst and mass panic this trade has created. :-)
I don't remember us talking much about trade approval/objection this year other than I vaguely remember WonderB saying it would be Commissioner Approval.
I looked back though RIHC (big show) rules and the most recent I found was from 2005-2006 rules which stated
Trade review is set for Commissioner approval. After a trade is announced, managers have 24 hours to register an objection by either posting here or by sending me an email (or both). If at least 3 objections are received during that period, then all managers will be surveyed for a vote. 6 negative votes within the next 24 hours would be required to overturn a trade.
If a vote is not required, the trade will be processed as soon after the initial 24 hour period as possible. If a vote is required, the trade will be processed (if not disapproved) as soon as possible after the voting period ends. If those 24 hour windows end late at night, it is possible that a trade may not be processed until the following morning. (I will do my best to be prompt, but I'm not staying up until 1am to process a trade.)
So far in my 3 previous years' experience with RIHC, I don't remember there being any fuss about any trade made in good faith between 2 RIHC managers. While I can certainly understand managers feeling a trade favors one side or the other, I really don't believe that such a scenario as Tree's #193 post exists. It makes no sense for managers to be able to block a trade that helps the other two teams involved but works against the teams that seek to block it. I have good depth, and I can afford to lose what Farmar brings to sit Gilbert on the bench for 3 months (DEC, JAN, FEB) and hope six weeks in March and April will pan out for me. Obviously WonderB lacks depth right now in part because he drafted Brand and now Gilbert is down, and he needs some playable dudes with upside, as he feels he is ready to roll the dice a bit with potential to hopefully make some impact moves to his roster.
Each manager involved feels it makes sense for his team, and that is what trading in fantasy sports is all about, imo - trying to make winning moves for your team, as opposed to trying to make milk-toast trades that will not bother anyone.
What if toward the end of the season someone has some extra games played and wants to trade 2 servicable guys for a stud, and someone hurting for games played and depth wants to deal a stud to get some games played? Is that going to be blocked because it might help the teams involved to the detriment of other teams? What if it's not two servicable guys, but one good player and one fringe player with upside? Who decides whether it's a fair trade? The obvious answer, imo, is the two managers involved who are trying to better their teams/final standings.
The only exception to this principal should be a situation where someone has obviously bagged the season and is just trying to screw with the integrity of the league and make lopsided, ridiculous trades that are not made in good faith to improve his team's situation. That would be the reason to block a trade, imo. Hopefully we will never have that situation in RIHC, but there is a mechanism there, just in case.
Other than that, to me it seems rather self-serving to block other manager's trades.
I don't get the beef, really. I mean he asked for offers, and didn't particularly like what he got, but felt he needed to make a move, and liked what I offered best. Why should that be blocked by other managers? Who knows what Gilbert is going to do the rest of the season? It's not like we're talking a healthy first round pick for Jordan Farmar. There's surgery involved. There's projections. There's spectulation. There's a call for trade offers. There's a trade offer accepted. Not too complicated, really, and simply fantasy basketball, imo.
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| 202 | xpdurmind
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 22:37
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WB, I just emailed you only from the league web page about this trade before I checked my emails and this board.
1st, a correction: I never offered my scrap for Arenas. It was for Brand :)
2nd,I like to post my email, but I didn't save a copy. I'm basically jealous that It wasn't me you traded with:) I also echoed Tree's sentiment in #193: a whole season of Farmar is not worth 2 mo of Arenas.
3rd, You chose Farmar over Peja ?!..
Lastly, I am neither for the trade nor will I vote against it. I'm sure whatever reasons/logic WB and PR have are good enough for me however flawed I think they were.
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| 203 | xpdurmind
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 22:39
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PR #201....I also have to add that I didn't read your post. Too damn long....
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| 204 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 22:55
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Hey, if you didn't vote against the trade, I'm good with that, LOL.
I don't feel it's appropriate to try to block this kind of trade, but I esp. feel if someone thinks it is, that they at least 'hear out' the managers involved before they attempt to overturn/block it.
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| 205 | xpdurmind
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 23:32
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PR I was on the other side a few years ago. I know how you feel. There should be no need to take a vote.
...Unless WB has a change of mind :)
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| 206 | Tree
ID: 431012618
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 23:57
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"Yahoo rankings, quite honestly, don't mean crap".
You have got to be kidding me.
They are based on the actual statistics that the players have scored as compared to what other players have done.
Granted they may not tell the whole story but they tell at least 90% of it.
fine...we'll go that route.
there are four players on the waiver wire right now ranked about the #99 Farmer is at. meanwhile, you have 9 guys on your roster (excluding the three injured guys) who are ranker higher than #99, including a slew of guys like Stackhouse, Udrih, and Robinson, who don't have much to show for their time on the floor thus far this season. drop one of them for a better player.
but don't trade an injured superstar for a guy who may, or may not, end up starting. Farmar right night is the flavour of the moment, and nowhere near the value of a seriously injured Arena, ESPECIALLY when you can move Arena onto the Injured List and pick up a free agent for him.
it's just too lopsided of a deal, imho. while there was no collusion, some deals upset the competitive balance of a league, and i feel this is one of them. it is essentially trading something, for nothing.
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| 207 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 01:06
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i have brand and foye already. IS is full.
now add areanas. i didn't want to go through 75% of the season with the IS already full and guys waiting to go in.
i was offered j.jack (the rest have been dumped) for brand before the season started and again a week or so ago (was going to post a correction re:brand but it didn't really change the point).
i was also offered t.prince for brand at the beggining too.(i wish i'd taken it i think) so i had an idea of what people were willing to offer for a long term injured player.
i called for offers and that's what i got.
yes paja is a better player but every single blerb about him has "if his back holds up" writen somewhere which i'm sure is part of the reason he was offered. i've already been burned by injury risks so why not take a lesson from it.
then there is j.jack who currently offers extreamly similar numbers as currently farmer gets. But farmers has upside which i believe jack has none.
what am i supposed to do. i can cancel the trade and wait for more offers that i'm not sure are coming. i am the comissioner. wouldn't be too fair to PR. if 3 more people are negative i will have to cancel it anyway but i would be expecting better offers from some.
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| 208 | weykool
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ID: 41750315
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 02:02
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A player who is going to be out 3 months will upset the competetive balance of the league????
Give me a friggin break.
I know you need to say that to justify voting against the trade but get real.......
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| 209 | Urmas
ID: 44411285
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 03:07
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What xpdurmind said in #202 is basically how I feel about this trade too. I don't like it much but I will not vote against it.
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| 210 | Tequila
ID: 291024275
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 06:24
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I am not voting against the trade, i wouldn't have done it but i cannot say it's unfair or unbalanced.
I must admit however i just made a comparison between arenas performance for 2 months vs. farmar performance from today til the end of the season. I'm not taking in consideration the fact that arenas can go to IL and a free agent can be picked up in the meantime. If this is true, i'm not sure what to say. it depends on various events : if and when arenas will be back, if farmar will go on playing at this level or better and if arenas plus a free agent will outscore farmar.
I'm still not voting against it but it's a tough call.
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| 211 | Tree
ID: 241042275
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 06:48
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weycool - you seem to act like Arenas is any old player. he's one of the tops in the league.
that's why you're keeping Brand - because even in 25 to 30 games, he can make a tremendous difference. if you thought otherwise, you'd have dropped him (or foye), to make room for Arenas.
Arenas is the same type of player, although, frankly, more so. 25 games of Arenas is a ton more valuable than 50 games of Farmar.
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| 212 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 08:14
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the trade was processed automatically by yahoo. if there are more vito votes in the next day or so then things can be corrected.
most just think i made a bad trade which is fine i guess. at this point it's not a good enough reason to just overturn the trade as comissioner when my oun team is involved.
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| 213 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 10:54
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I have mixed emotions about the trade, IMHO there are too many variables to take a firm stance. It's definately not a trade I'd make,but I don't see collusion and with all the variables involved (Farmar's performance, The length of Arenas' abscence and the level of his play if/when he returns) I can't say for sure it will incredibly unbalanced.
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| 214 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 00:14
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Slama-dama, if you could quit clogging up this thread with your incessant posting, it might give someone else a chance. Sheesh! Like every 214th post is yours! If only you could learn to be more measured with your thoughts. Consider my fine example. Just keepin' it real, bro.
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| 215 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 02:07
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I honestly thought this would get vetoed. Sorry to say, this was terrible deal.
When Arenas comes back AFTER 3 months there will be two months left in the season.
So it is a comparison of 5 months of Farmar vs two months of Arenas coming of a nagging injury.
Farmar has plenty of upside while Arenas has plenty of downside.
I have no problem with Gilbert Arenas being traded. I also have no problem with him going for a mediocre-11th rounder. But my minimum requirement for this trade is that Gilbert gets traded for a player that tomorrow can get dropped, with no second thoughts, and remain on Free Agents. Farmar simply doesn't cut it.
Look at the free agents list. Since I don't want to foil anyone's plans by naming players here, I'll just have everyone take a look for themselves and see who is there...lot more guys better than Farmar.
I don't understand that logic. Of all of Farmar's regular season averages, the most important is the Minutes Per Game...Farmar averages 20:48 per. Compare that to Gilbert's 39:30 (and fact he is a top 10 player when healthy) and I think it's clearer than daylight that Gilbert is still worth than Farmar as of NOW.
Who know's maybe Farmar will be starter in future for Lakers (and by future I mean next couple of months). As of now, Derek Fisher is the starter seeing most of the burn, and Farmar continues to play 18-21 min per night.
Let's not forget, this is a top 10 player who is NOT out for the year, he will be back. Has it ever happened that a player hasn't come back earlier? Look at Maggette...hes back. And I'm no doctor but even so, I'm taking Gilbert Arenas with one bad knee (even two) over Jordan Farmar any day of the week.
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| 216 | StomoDotCom
ID: 37444415
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 02:58
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EDITED FROM ABOVE
I have no problem with Gilbert Arenas being traded. I also have no problem with him going for a mediocre-11th rounder. But my minimum requirement for this trade is that Gilbert traded for a player that tomorrow can't get dropped, with no second thoughts, and remain on Free Agents. Farmar simply doesn't cut it.
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| 217 | Tree
ID: 321043285
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 06:49
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i still can't believe this trade went through while it was still being discussed. i can't believe this trade will allowed to be go through.
i mean look at Farmar's numbers - in the last week he has played more than 20 minutes in just one of four games. he has scored more than six points just once in four games. he has made ten TOTAL FGs in that span, 2 TOTAL FTs in that span, 7 rebounds, and 12 assists.
10 FGs, 2 FTs, 7 rebounds, and 12 assists. Gilbert Arenas has had GAMES with higher numbers than that, much less a 4-game span.
you might as well have dropped Arenas to the waiver wire - it would have been fair in regards to the balance of the league.
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| 218 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 13:37
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Tree (and stomo), I think the general spirit of your posts on this issue have been in good faith and I have no problem with you speaking your mind on it. I think we will be better served, however, by avoiding exaggerations such as "perennial top 5 player" and the implications of "two months" of top 5 player production on the Arenas side of this trade. Here's a more realistic assessment of his situation from the Washington Post. Slow readers, XP, and those who cannot be bothered with too much information, feel free to skip this post entirely.
Arenas: "I'm out three months"
Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas underwent surgery today [NOV. 21] to repair a partial tear in his left meniscus and the injury is expected to keep him out at least three months. Arenas originally tore the meniscus in the knee last April 3 and had surgery a few days later. The re-injury happened during Friday night's game at Minnesota but Arenas does not remember if it took place on a specfic play.
"Everything just started hurting after the game," Arenas said. "The pain came out of nowhere."
A statement from the doctor who perfomed the surgery: "I repaired a partial tear of Gilbert's left medial meniscus," said Dr. Marc Connell, the team physician. "In addition, he had a non-weight bearing articular surface defect in the trochlea treated by microfracture. We are optimistic that he will be able to return to action in three months."
Arenas, who has missed the last two games, underwent an MRI in Washington today. He told me that he won't be able to do any basketball related activity for at least three weeks and could be cleared to return to practice in three months.
Here are some observations: First, as I understand it, this is a re-injury of the same knee/issue that he already had surgery on to repair the first time. Who's to say this surgery will take? Also - in addition to the meniscus tear, there was an additional situation they were apparently unaware of previously. This is sounding worse as it goes. Rotoworld called Arenas' knee situation "absolutely devastating news."
Secondly, the timetable. The report is that he will be out "at least" three months. Not three months. The doctor said they were "optimistic" he could return to "action" in 3 months. What if he was feeling more pessimistic, or perhaps even 'realistic'? What would his estimate have been then? Arenas further clarifies what is meant by action when he explains that he "could" be cleared to return to practice in three months. Obviously coming off close to 10 months of various states of ability to exercise, including no basketball related activity whatsoever now for the next three weeks, Gilbert's game is not going to be close to all-star levels immediately when he comes back. Even this year halfway through this saga, his shooting was in the toilet and his peers were telling him he was trying to do too much. Look at his overall Yahoo ranking this season even on a per game basis - oh wait, those yahoo guys don't know how to crunch numbers, I forgot.
So what will he have left, exactly, when he comes back, and when will that be? NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. Gilbert's remarks in Rotoworld were as follows: "It's a downer because I really thought I was getting back," Arenas said. "It's a big setback but I guess I'll start all over again." Trying to block a trade involving calculated risks by both managers with so much unknown? Claiming you know it will upset the competitive balance of the league? And that it will do so to an extent that it must be stopped out of fairness to the other managers? Please.
I won't even go into pimping Farmar - as he also is an unknown - one that can't be fairly described by picking out and emphasizing weak points. To continue to correct exaggeration, sadly I feel compelled to point out that we play an 8-cat league and he does make contributions that are projected to increase- even though he had an off night last night. Check out FG%, 3's, and steals for starters. Losing 3 months of a steal and a half (or better) per game does hurt my team. This is not something for nothing. He's a second year player. Second year players are going to be inconsistent and have upside. They like Fish in LA, but he's getting older and Farmar has all the upside. He plays hard and WonderB and I agree he most likely will be a solid contributor this year, which is even more than what can be reliably said about Arenas the rest of the way out. Obviously, the Arenas upside is there, which is of course why I made the trade and what I am hoping for.
Bottom line for me is that Tree, if you want to continue to discuss this issue, you might do well to address the issues with attempting to block this trade that I brought up in post 201 that you have yet to respond to.
As far as not believing this trade went through already, I'm not sure why this seems inappropriate to you, since historical RIHC and presently stated procedures were followed in that (1) your protest was acknowledged (2) three managers total protested - just enough to call for a vote (3) it was put to a vote and only you, Stomo, and Aggy expressed formal opposition to it. Deejay expressed concern about the need for discussion but did not finalize a vote to block. Doug did not comment, and everyone else (a majority of the league, you might note) either was for the trade, felt it did not even warrant a vote, or didn't like it particularly (or were jealous, wishing they'd made a little better offer for Arenas!) but decided not to vote to block it. So basically the vote was 3 or 3 1/2 to 7 or 7 1/2. Farmar was still on my team as of last night (and I played him) and Gilbert has joined my team as of today - after the vote has been cast. WonderB already said if the vote came out differently he would reverse the trade. Besides, the sooner the trade happens, the more that favors WonderB's side of it anyway, which you seem to feel is in dire need of equalization.
On the positive, at least we were able to find some common ground between Tree and Aggy. :-)
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| 219 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 13:38
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That post looks even more massive now than it did in pre-post, LOL.
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| 220 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 13:57
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I think we will be better served, however, by avoiding exaggerations such as "perennial top 5 player"
ok. top 7 player. check his average draft place in kafenatid the last two years. small sample size, but accurate enough.
regarding post 201 - i'm not even sure what you're looking to be answered. you spoke in generalities, so there is no response. but in specifics - i don't see a healthy Jordan Farmar being equal to an injured Gilbert Arenas.
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| 221 | Pacers Rule
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 15:04
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So basically your point is you think we should block all trades that you don't think are roughly equal, or at least vote on them?
The unanswered issue from post 201 is regarding whether it matters how fair you think the trade is. I gave other examples of other scenarios, such as 2 for 1, and basically why rather than protecting the integrity or interests of the league, blocking trades you feel favor one manager or another is basically self-serving and contrary to the spirit of fantasy basketball, imo. This isn't some public league filled with apathetic managers or complete newbies. It's not like someone's going to execute a healthy Marion trade for the up-and-coming waiver wire player in this league. There most likely will be no collusion.
If you think you have better fantasy knowledge than another manager who misvalues players, then make them a trade offer and try to better your team. That's fantasy BB. (WonderB, I'm not implying you misvalue players!) If a manager has too many injured guys and needs some games played, make him an offer. That's fantasy BB.
You are saying that Farmar has no value and that apparently is the basis for your objection to this trade, but you are very selective in what you base your assessment of his value (or potential value) on. My basic point is it's up to WonderB to assess that value, not you (or any other manager). Otherwise, we have violated a basic principle of fantasy BB - each manager managing his own team in the way he sees fit - making his own assessments of player value, upsides, downsides, projections, his team's needs, etc. A good trade has the potential to help both teams involved and therefore hurt (relatively speaking) all 10 other teams. If we give those 10 teams the right to block trades in which an argument can be made that the trade is not equal value (and most of them probably can have that argument depending on different factors) then I think we empower self-serving managers to neuter the trading process and spoil both the fun and skill aspects of the game.
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| 222 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 15:44
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#221
Well said.
This is why I play RIHC.
I have another team in a non-public league that doesnt use the RIHC protest format and 6 out of 10 trades have been vetoed.
It takes 4 annonamous votes to over turn a trade and nobody has the guts to fess up to voting against it.
Trades like:
Aldrige for Wilkins
and
Gay for D. Harris
would have somehow upset the "competetive balance of the league".
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| 223 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 19:20
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well. interesting couple days.
i've just returned from an overnighter, taking my daughter up to her grandparents.
i believe the votes are in and there were not enough to overturn.
i've already touched on some offers for brand i had and having an idea about what people were willing to offer for injured players. i've stated all the current offers i had at the time to base a decision on and explained why i didn't take paja in the end.
the value of gilbert.
my oun estimation of course must be obviously low i suppose but heres why i was willing to let him go at a low price.
gilbert will be back in three months they say, really.? here are my thoughts. he had the original operation done on his knee in early april and started playing again here in november. thats close to 7 months of recovery time. then when he did come back he sucked, maybe he played well enough for a 6th rounder. now they say he will be back in 3 months after the same operation again but throw in a little microfracture on top. hey, doesn't it take over a year to come back from microfracture. and how the heck is he coming back in 3 months when he couldn't come back in 7 the first time. did the doctors just get it right this time.
so in my head i'm thinking, i'm not coming out and saying it but i'm sure this can occur to the other managers.
as for farmer, have you seen my team. he's as good or better than some i'm currently playing. i do look at the yahoo rank a bit and today he is 125. i'm playing guys as low as 200. so for me farmer is playable which is what i asked for in my requests for offers. maybe there are players on the waiver wire offering similar value but do they have any of this intagible thing called upside? i find that these upside players are stashed away off the wire fairly quickly so they are not just bouncing around out there currently.
so i got a player i can currently play who might get better.
now after all this discussion it would seem i could have got a better deal from some mangers but, that was what i had to go with after a week and a half of fishing for offers.
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| 224 | xpdurmind
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 22:10
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#218 PR "Slow readers, XP, and those who cannot be bothered with too much information, feel free to skip this post entirely."
That is one way to get me to read your posts :)...I actually read the whole thing.
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| 225 | xpdurmind
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 22:34
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7 managers are "ok" with the trade. Time to put it to bed.New Page 2 | Manager | Vote | | Aggy's Miracles | Veto | | DJ | ? | | Indy Dream | NV | | Necro Butcher's scar | Veto | | Slam-alama-ding-Doug | ? | | Slowhand | NV | | StomoDotCom | Veto | | Sydney's picks | NV | | Team Urmas | NV | | Tequila's Underdogs | NV | | Weykool | NV | | bladerunners | NV |
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| 226 | Pacers Rule
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 00:13
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I hope it was worth it. That was a motherload.
XP - you know what this means...either you may have to teach me some html skills or you may have to post future per game standings tables!
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| 227 | xpdurmind
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 20:20
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PR, It was worth it....
I don't know html. I know Front Page:) All you need is an editor, then copy and paste the code.
I'll post the per game standings if you like ( I'm guessing you just divided the totals by the # of games then ranked accordingly?)
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| 228 | Pacers Rule
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 20:48
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Yep - then re-sorted/re-ranked for each cumulative cat then added the new per game rankings up to get the total. I think the games "back" is relevant too because those with more games played can afford to be more selective with who they play for their remaining games, while those who are behind have to play more questionable guys to get caught up. Probably an average of our per game rankings and our total/cumulative rankings would provide a way of representing both aspects.
I don't have excel on my home computers, but I have been told it has a way of transfering a spreadsheet to a table for webviewing.
I have never used frontpage.
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| 229 | xpdurmind
ID: 2410323020
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 12:53
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New Page 3 | Per Game Rankings | | | | | | | | | | | | Team | GP | FG% | FT% | 3 ave | PT ave | R ave | A ave | S ave | B ave | Total | | Indy Dream | 207 | 10 | 9 | 6 | 7 | 12 | 11 | 5 | 6 | 66 | | StomoDotCom | 177 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 11 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 11 | 66 | | DJ | 200 | 8 | 10 | 11 | 6 | 11 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 64 | | bladerunners | 219 | 10 | 6 | 8 | 9 | 5 | 9 | 9 | 7 | 63 | | Weykool | 201 | 3 | 11 | 12 | 3 | 7 | 12 | 11 | 2 | 61 | | Slowhand | 199 | 12 | 2 | 1 | 10 | 9 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 58 | | Tequila's Underdogs | 217 | 5 | 12 | 4 | 8 | 3 | 7 | 10 | 5 | 54 | | Aggy's Miracles | 197 | 7 | 1 | 9 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 9 | 49 | | Slam-alama-ding-Doug | 194 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 12 | 8 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 49 | | Necro Butcher's scar | 217 | 8 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 35 | | Team Urmas | 197 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 29 | | Sydney's picks | 204 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 27 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Raw | | | | | | | | | | | | Team | GP | FG% | FT% | 3PTM | PTS | REB | Assists | Steals | Blocks | Total | | bladerunners | 219 | 0.466 | 0.779 | 197 | 3185 | 1215 | 677 | 227 | 141 | 74.5 | | Indy Dream | 207 | 0.466 | 0.788 | 160 | 2979 | 1329 | 760 | 188 | 126 | 71 | | Tequila's Underdogs | 217 | 0.46 | 0.793 | 160 | 3153 | 1178 | 645 | 239 | 130 | 67.5 | | Weykool | 201 | 0.444 | 0.791 | 232 | 2743 | 1163 | 747 | 244 | 110 | 62 | | DJ | 200 | 0.465 | 0.79 | 210 | 2829 | 1217 | 601 | 186 | 113 | 61.5 | | Slowhand | 199 | 0.467 | 0.724 | 102 | 2912 | 1187 | 583 | 183 | 183 | 54 | | Necro Butcher's scar | 217 | 0.465 | 0.779 | 155 | 2961 | 1136 | 558 | 196 | 146 | 54 | | Aggy's Miracles | 197 | 0.463 | 0.666 | 186 | 2785 | 1119 | 513 | 204 | 152 | 44 | | StomoDotCom | 177 | 0.443 | 0.742 | 156 | 2594 | 1073 | 629 | 241 | 154 | 42 | | Slam-alama-ding-Doug | 194 | 0.461 | 0.786 | 197 | 2911 | 1127 | 480 | 167 | 90 | 37.5 | | Sydney's picks | 204 | 0.436 | 0.769 | 152 | 2605 | 1129 | 487 | 169 | 158 | 30 | | Team Urmas | 197 | 0.45 | 0.77 | 135 | 2689 | 1043 | 548 | 172 | 114 | 26 |
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| 230 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:11
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very nice.
the standings display that is, not my team.
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| 231 | xpdurmind
ID: 2410323020
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 22:10
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I should have put it in a standings thread since it might take longer to load.
I am surprised to notice that 7 teams are separated by only 6 percentage points in the FG% cat, and by only 14 in the FT% cat.
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| 232 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 00:36
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Very nice indeed. Thanks XP. Very tight race in FG% esp.
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| 233 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 21:55
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well this is just silly. evey time i click the details of that trade the browser shuts down. any known issues with microsoft IE and vista. it's not the first time it's screwed around surfing yahoo. (known issues with microsoft...what a joke.)
unless i can figure out what is stalling me i can't allow it, you might have to wait for it to be automatically processed in a day or so.
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| 234 | xpdurmind
ID: 2410323020
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 00:32
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WB, I was experiencing the same problem when I tried to view the full standings.
I figured it was java related since the little icon kept popping in my taskbar. Make sure you have the latest version.
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| 235 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 08:46
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i got it. didn't change a thing it just worked this morning.
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| 236 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 08:46
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lets give quintin another chance.
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| 237 | deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:24
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FYI.
Gonna put Kevin Martin on the IL, and pick someone, just dont know who yet.
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| 238 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 18:34
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picked up Jared Dudley then.
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| 239 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 19:29
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stupid bosh. stupid season. guess i can't even try to put bosh on the IS with it already full.
go farmer.!
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| 240 | weykool
ID: 2842717
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 20:10
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Wonder:
Jordan Farmar called me and said he refused to put up decent numbers if you keep calling him a Farmer.
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| 241 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 23:12
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Doug, you getting my emails?
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| 242 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 16:52
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Trying to post a table....we'll see what it looks like.
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| 243 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 16:53
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LOL - anyone explain to me how to lose all the empty space?
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| 244 | WonderB
ID: 419161513
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 22:08
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ya, delete that post. i'm in last. use mondays stats where i'm not.
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| 245 | Pacers Rule
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ID: 910311210
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 09:19
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LOL
it might be worth considering a new thread at some point.
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