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0 Subject: Hillary CLinton '08

Posted by: Wilmer McLean
- [076262] Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 03:22

Hillary's run will provide a debate on this site. I wanted to start things off with the following links.

Voting Records on Issues

More infos on Hillary's voting record

I just wanted to start a thread on Hillary Clinton. Please provide other links. Thank you.
1Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 06:23
The villagers with torch and pitchforks have finally found her? Run Hillary run.
2Perm Dude
      ID: 40733267
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 08:45
She's not running. I've been saying this all along. Why? Because she's not stupid.
3Tree
      ID: 40715267
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 08:53
Because she's not stupid.

but she is a politician, and often, that supercedes all, in regards to running or not running for office...
4sarge33rd
      ID: 257222410
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 10:42
Yes she is Tree, but she is also a savvy politician. Further, whether one likes B Clinton or despises him, he was one of the "better" politicians to come down the pipe recently. So she had every opportunity to learn from one of the best.

(Afterall, Gary Harts campaign got crushed, by less than what B Clinton did.)
5katietx
      ID: 157591212
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 12:53
Only because it was widely publicized prior to the election.

6Perm Dude
      ID: 40733267
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:36
Tree, she's an excellent politician. Another reason why she won't do something stupid and run in '08.

Trust me: My information is from the inside.
7Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:52
Hey, Mr. Indide - you'vr been OTC for 4 hours in G24.

:)
8Perm Dude
      ID: 40733267
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:55
Yeah, got back a minute ago. Didn't realize the clock was running on the weekends. Weekend is family time.
9nerveclinic
      ID: 10526140
      Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 22:47

Her firm support for the debacle in Iraq won't help her with the party if Lieberman is any gauge.

10Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 22:45
Breaking from NewsMax.com

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay knows who will be elected president in 2008: Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

At a meeting Tuesday in Washington, D.C., hosted by Human Events and the Heritage Foundation, the former Republican congressman also predicted that Clinton's running mate would be Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

DeLay, who just unveiled his new blog and Grassroots Action and Information Network, said liberal organizations and media will work together to elect Clinton, D-N.Y.

"Hillary will be the next president of the United States because they have built a coalition,” DeLay said, according to Human Events.
11Perm Dude
      ID: 241181310
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 22:57
The Republicans are really, really, really hoping she gets the nomination.
12katietx
      ID: 3810431417
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 23:43
I would be MUCH happier if it were Obama announcing.
13Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 23:51
Katie,
Having lived in Iowa, what's your take on Vilsak?
14katietx
      ID: 3810431417
      Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 10:50
PV...I really don't know much about Vilsak. Sarge would have a better take on him.
15Toral
      ID: 52621719
      Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 18:05
Hillary hires consultant on "values voters":
Burns Strider, one of the Democratic Party’s leading strategists on winning over evangelicals and other values-driven voters, will join Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) as she prepares to launch her 2008 presidential campaign.

Strider now heads religious outreach for the House Democratic Caucus, and is the lead staffer for the Democrats’ Faith Working Group, headed by incoming Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.)....“In 2004 only one of the primary candidates had any staff member who was reaching out to religious constituencies and to voters,” said Amy Sullivan, one of the first liberal journalists to identify the importance of faith-driven voters to the future success of the Democratic Party, referring to one-time Democratic front-runner Howard Dean. “At this point it looks like perhaps not all but at least a majority of candidates in 2008 primary will have somebody on staff focused on religious outreach and religious strategy, and that’s a sea change in the space of four years.”


Hillary herself is a member of a prominent prayer group on Capitol Hill.

Toral
16Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Fri, Dec 15, 2006, 00:56
Why are you guys wasting your time? PD 's already given us the definitive word that Hilary's not running.
17Perm Dude
      ID: 41116159
      Fri, Dec 15, 2006, 10:11
They can't help themselves, MBJ. Its too juicy!
18biliruben
      ID: 471081612
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 14:48
19nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 16:53


So PD...

When do your insiders tell you she will stop running?

20Perm Dude
      ID: 441058197
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 17:17
I think this came up in another thread. My insiders (who are still there, by the way--one is a speechwriter and the other works on her schedule) were *very* surprised at the announcement. There were a lot of people telling her not to run.
21biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 00:24
Now you've gone too far, Boldwin.

You would stoop to writing to the NY Times?!?

But this list, however loony-tunes it may be, does not begin to touch the craziness of the hardcore members of this cult. Back in November, I wrote a column on Clinton’s response to a question about giving driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. My reward was to pick up an e-mail pal who has to date sent me 24 lengthy documents culled from what he calls his “Hillary File.” If you take that file on faith, Hillary Clinton is a murderer, a burglar, a destroyer of property, a blackmailer, a psychological rapist, a white-collar criminal, an adulteress, a blasphemer, a liar, the proprietor of a secret police, a predatory lender, a misogynist, a witness tamperer, a street criminal, a criminal intimidator, a harasser and a sociopath. These accusations are “supported” by innuendo, tortured logic, strained conclusions and photographs that are declared to tell their own story, but don’t.
22nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 01:20

Classic Bili...

23walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 16:24
So, every other day Paul Krugman of the NY Times comes out with an anti-Obama article. Today, his colleague, David Brooks gives an amazing story about Hillary's style and MO related to universal healthcare. I want these two opinion guys to get together and give me a point-counterpoint. I want more objectivity so I can sort it out.

Brooks: Hillary's Healthcare Attitude
24biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 17:09
Well, Mr. Walker, all you needed to do was ask.

Let me introduce you to The Reality Based Community.

Kleiman addresses the latest Krugman article rather well, in the 2nd post from the top:

So the "finding" comes out of precisely nowhere. Of course if the mandate succeeds, it will increase coverage, with most of the cost coming from the people paying those mandatory premiums rather than the [other] taxpayers. But the claim that it will actually succeed is based on nothing but an assumption. And yet no reasonable reader of Krugman's column would understand that.
25walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 17:17
Aaaaaaaah, thanks bili. I gruff in distaste.
26Boldwin
      ID: 2310322
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 22:47
These accusations are “supported” by innuendo, tortured logic, strained conclusions - Bili's Hill-gal.

I wonder if this person believes that discussing Hillary's massive computer system/ illegal FBI file database need involve innuendo, tortured logic, strained conclusions?

It was just flat out wrong and if you want more of that go ahead and elect her.

I guess the Clinton's own lawyers who wrote up the White House Task List were immagining things as well.

There is a sucker born every minute and we call these people Hillary defenders.
27Wilmer McLean
      ID: 25120114
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 05:34
RE: 20



Do you know Hillary's righthand woman and travelling Chief of Staff, Huma Abedin? ;) ;) ;)
28Tree
      ID: 10144115
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 06:51
here's the part where someone nutcase from the Right claims that Hillary is going to be involved in taking over our nation from within, with the help of Muslim terrorists (ala Obama), despite boldly hoping she wins...
29Madman
      ID: 14139157
      Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 22:40
During the debate tonight, did any hear Clinton talk about how Medicare works because is not a voluntary plan? I think she said it twice.

On many policy positions, I do think she's the strongest Dem candidate. But then she goes and says absolutely idiotic things like that and makes me wonder whether she actually knows anything she's talking about. Hopefully I misheard.
30Building 7
      ID: 471052128
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:27
She said she wants to freeze interest rates for 5 years on adjustable rate mortgages. And she wants to stop foreclosures for 3 months or something because a voter told her she was hoodwinked into getting the loan. I couldn't find anything on her website. I'm not sure how that would work. I don't think they have thought out the ramifications of such a move. It sounds good to voters but would be a disaster if implemented in my opinion.
31Madman
      ID: 230542010
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:36
B7 -- yes, her mortgage-market solutions seem to be a newly created direct appeal to the Edwards base. I agree that there are all sorts of problems with her ideas on that topic. However, if you also define the problem as what to do about homes that are going under foreclosure now, she's the only candidate giving addressing the issue.

I personally don't want a candidate to address that problem in a direct way, but many do.
32walk
      ID: 381351512
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 17:17
Frank Rich NYT: The Audacity of Hopelessness

Wow!
33steve houpt
      ID: 451161019
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 00:12
Musy be pick on Hillary time. I always wondered 'what her experience was' and where she had stood up to the 'right' for all these years.

Bill won 2, 3 terms in Arkansas. OK. Two presidential bids [never over 50%] and Hillary won a Senate seat in NY [can a democrat lose a Senate seat in NY] against a stand in [Lazio] after Rudy pulled out with cancer. Not a big 'stand up to the right' IMHO. Not much battle testing there. I think maybe she believed her own hype that this nomination was hers. Just show up [actually, she's not even doing that, Frank Rich points out in PA - Hillary did not even get her delegates on all the ballots].


Clinton last stand - Andrew Sullivan

Clinton is a terrible manager of people. Coming into a campaign she had been planning for, what, two decades, she was so not ready on Day One, or even Day 300. -------------- It's staggering to me that she blew through so much money for close to nothing (apart from the donuts). Without that media meltdown in New Hampshire, she would have been forced to bow out much earlier. She didn't plan for contests after Super Tuesday. She barely planned for any before that. ----------- How did they come this close to losing this? They had all the money, all the contacts, all the machine levers, the entire establishment, the biggest Democratic name in decades, and they've been forced into a humiliating death-match by a first-term black liberal with a funny name. It seems obvious to me that the Clintons blew this because they never for a second imagined they could. So they never planned to fight it. Once put in a fair contest, they turned out to be terrible campaigners, terrible politicians, bad managers, useless executives, wooden public speakers. If you're a Democrat, that's good to know, isn't it? All that bullshit about Day One and experience? In retrospect: laughable.

34sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 00:33
"experience"...no one other than a former Pres, possibly some of the VPs, has experience directly relevant to that of the Presidency. (unless you imagine the office to be essentially pomp-n-circumstance while lacking substance. A posture I would not take FTR.)

Had a poster on another forum say that he oculd not vote for Obama because he has FAR too little experience at the Federal level. SO I put this up for him to consider:

OK...I hear from Republicans, over and over again...Obama has no experience. Lets examine that shall we?

Eisenhower, Rep Pres...NO Federal Experience outside being a wartime Commander of the Military. 0 days in the house, 0 days in the Senate, 0 days as a Gov, 0 days as a Rep at the state level. NO EXPERIENCE.


Kennedy, John: 6 years as a House Rep, 7 as a Sen. 13 years Fed Exp.


LBJ: 12 yrs in TX House of Rep, 12 years as a Sen, 2 years as VP..14 years Fed Exp.

Nixon: 3 years CA House of Rep, 3 yrs CA Senator, 8 yrs VP..11 yrs Fed Exp

G Ford: 24 years House of Rep, 0 as a Senator,...24 yrs Fed exp

J Carter: 4 yrs as GA Gov, NO FED EXP

R Reagan: 8 yrs CA Gov...NO FED EXP

G H W BUsh: 4 yrs TX Representative in the House, 2 yrs Ambassador, 1 yr CIA Dir, 8 yrs VP...Extensive Fed Exp

B Clinton: 11 yrs Gov of AR, NO FED EXP

GW Bush: 5 yrs Gov of TX, NO FED EXP


So, in the past 55 years, we've seen 10 different men in the White House. 6 Rep and 4 Dem.

Of the 6 Reps, 3 had ZERO Federal Experience.
Of the 4 Dems, 2 had ZERO Fed Experience.

Isnt that odd? Fully 50% of the Presidents elected in the past 55 years from each party, had NO EXPERIENCE. So tell me, how does Sen Obama's, 7 years in the IL State Senate and 2 years Senator from IL, making him more qualified apparently than half the people elected in the past half century....DISQUALIFY him as "lacking the necessary experience"?

That two-faced BS is the "party line crappola" I referred to. I called it crap, because that is precisely what it is. Cripes, Reagan is the current "poster child" for the conservative movement, and he had no experience at the Federal level. He'd been a DJ, an actor and a Gov. So how is someone with more Federal experience than he deemed to be "unqualified due to lack of experience"?

If Republicans would be honest they'd admit that they ROYALLY screwed this country over in 2004 when they recoronated King George.(TX for ex WILL vote for whomever the Reps nominate. They hate McCain, but I'll wager the Rep nominee carries TX 70-30 in the presidential election. Hell, if the Rep party nominated Satan, he'd carry Texas. These dipsh*ts wouldnt vote for a Democrat even if the Rep candidate swore he was gonna start a war with China, India, Japan, Mexico AND Canada. Long as he upheld the 2nd Ammendment, thats the primary force for getting TX in your pocket. 2nd, is claiming you'll ban abortion. Even though such a ban would violate established law. Oh yeah, the 3rd criteria....ban homosexuality entirely. This state is SO bassackwards when it comes to social concerns. But then, in my view, thats pretty much the Republican party platform..live your life the way we tell you to, and you'll be free to live your life as you choose. So long as you choose what we say to.)


Now admittedly, the claim of no fed exo re Eisenhower isnt entirely accurate. Having served as the Supreme Allied Cdr during WWII European Theater, he obviously demonstrated anability to "play the political" game. Military positions such as that, are in all honesty more political than they are military. He did have to contend with two very much prima donna Generals in Patton and Montgomery. I was somewhat surprised the other poster didnt make waves re that, but he didnt. Even so, the gist of my contention...that experience is "over rated" and I think misapplied if thats the primary cause of ones "inability" to adequately consider the candidate.
35Perm Dude
      ID: 431162321
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 00:56
Given the way the federal government has been the last 6 years or so (huge budget deficit, wars all over the place, systematic withdrawals from international agreements, discretionary spending through the roof, ethical problems), the less a man can claim to be a part of it the better, IMO.
36Building 7
      ID: 471052128
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 09:16
They hate McCain, but I'll wager the Rep nominee carries TX 70-30 in the presidential election

I'll wager it is less than 70-30.

37steve houpt
      ID: 451161019
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 17:18
sarge33rd - most republicans I hear from, say Obama basically has almost as much experience as HRC. They laugh at her 35 years of experience and the "ready on day one" [like Obama can't be]. Pretty obvious Obama is very intelligent. I don't know if ANYONE is READY to be president on day one. They are qualified, been briefed, but there is still a steep learning curve.

Also, I've never heard the 'federal' experience argument. Maybe my circle is 'odd' [I know we're old'er'].

[OT - HRC] As I progressed thru my career, I was qualified for new jobs, but when I took over a new job for the FIRST time [especially more critical one like Maint Chief - talking safety of flight - releasing aircraft for missions, etc], I was not as 'efficient' as the person who had done it for a few years.
38sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 17:03
No argument from me Steve, on anyone "being ready" (other than perhaps an incumbent.) One of the primary reasons I personally endorse a 6yr single-term limit to the Presidency.

As it stand now, a person soends the first year "learning", 2 years "doing" and the 4th year campaiging for re-election.
39Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 23:09
HRC's claims to be ready day one stem from the experience represented in her transition team/shadow government that has been operational continously from the day she bustled out the WH doors trailing silverware.

She has a point if you appreciate her team.
40steve houpt
      ID: 451161019
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 00:39
sarge33rd - I've thought about the 'one six year term' possibility. Currently, every presidential election that coinsides with a different one-third of the Senate [Senate elections rotate - 1/3 every two years]. So each Senator is up for re-election every other term during a presidential election. Six year presidential term, same Senator's would always be up during a presidential election. Then a Senator would only match up with a presidential election every 24 years.

You can say, an election is an election, but we all know, more people turn out for presidential elections. You could change the Senate to eight years [let's face it, it's almost for as long as they want once they are elected now - what's another two years if we are going to vote them out] and have 25% up for re-election every two years. A thought.
41sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 10:11
Valid point Steve. You are correct of course in stating that turn-out is higher during a Pres election and thus greater turn-out for other con-inciding elections is the reality. Frankly, I have no problems with the entire notion of term limits. Seems to me, no small part of our current dilemma, is the "careerist" politician who gets their seat (Ted Kennedy, Jesse Helms for two obvious examples though there are many) and then essentially "homestead" in it throughout their entire working lifetime.
42Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:22


Not enough 65 year old women in the media, I guess.
43Wilmer McLean
      ID: 512513
      Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 04:12
Zen, lol

Obama is holding something firm below the waist and the perky female clerk is arousingly gracious?

Hillary is holding something heavy and floppy below her shoulders (and waist) and the "happy" male clerk is repulsed?

;) ;) ;)
44Madman
      ID: 230542010
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 12:47
A good article on the Clinton campaign
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