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Subject: Schadenfreude Posted by: Baldwin - [201045320] Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:41 Let the enjoyment begin. Pennsylvania Obama voters getting their well deserved pink slip from the coal company. You receiving the notice to appear for compulsory community service down at Acorn or it's successor. "Universal Voluntary Public Service." There's a sad and funny oxymoron for you. Getting your tax increase when you haven't even taken down the Obama sign from the front yard. And what a shocker, you don't take in $250K! You finding out your already Obama decimated 401K has just been stolen by the government and placed in the magic disappearing lockbox. The little guys on Obamas campaign staff getting stiffed on their pay. But he cares for the little guy! Ahahah! The The 78% of Jews who voted Obama the day the Islamic nuking commences. Not so funny. But coming. Gun owners who believed Obama when he actually said he respected the constitutional RTBA. People who didn't like 60's radicals protests being forced to fund the paychecks of the twenty first century second wave of protesters. Boy does that one hit home. See how bipartisan the schadenfreude will be? Obama most merciful and uniting reaching across to the other side with a rusty poison dagger. This won't really be fun but it will be rich. | ||||||
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| 142 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 17:25 |
The only 'accomplishment' this guy is hanging his hat on is that he managed to socialize public transportation for the elderly in Cook County. He's as bad as everyone is saying but let us not lose sight of the fact that there are only a handful of politicians with the right to throw stones at him. They almost to a man, sell their public acts in violation of the law and shamelessly fundraise every day of their life in politics. | |||||
| 143 | Mith ID: 148402816 Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 17:48 |
the equally baggy Illinois state house and senate dragging their feet on both a special election and an impeachment (Shocking Bipartisanship Alert: I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that all these bags are Democrats) You're right - the citizens of IL will be disenfranchised of some of their representation for as long as Congress is in session with that seat (and Emanuel's in the House, right?) unfilled. But even if they and the state house had been in session since the scandal broke, I don't know that Blago could have been removed from office or stripped of his power to appoint the interim senator by today. Assuming not, Senate Dems would be criticized, whatever they do. If Reid had instead announced his support for Burris, the story would have been about the currupt Chicago political machine still being allowed to service the shameless Democrats. | |||||
| 144 | dwetzel on BB ID: 559392915 Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 18:29 |
They absolutely had time to change the law to force a special election. The state legislature was called into session two weeks ago for the single purpose of passing such a bill. Some members got cold feet after that. I suppose in theory that the governor could have just not signed that law. How perverse is that? But at least then it would be all back on him. | |||||
| 145 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 23:10 | BTW the laws are different between senate and house. House seats in this situation automatically trigger an election. | |||||
| 146 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:40 |
Can the Senate say no? I pretty much agree with this, though I could have done without the last couple of sentences. People who were fond of quoting the phrase "rule of law" when it was convenient for them can't easily run away from it now, when it leads to conclusions they don't like. | |||||
| 147 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:45 |
The Senate has more power that the House in this regard (always has, in fact). If they judge the guy not to be credentialled then they aren't required to seat him. I do see that the GOP has suddenly discovered civil rights on this matter. What a joke. A week ago Blago was a corrupt big city politico who tainted everyone (Rahm, Obama, Jackson, Jr.) who hailed from Chicago. Now the GOP says we should seat Blago's rushed pick because he's black. | |||||
| 148 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:50 | The only way the GOP wins in this is if a special election is held and they get their candidate in. How does the GOP acting against their own interests and recomending Burris make them racist or corrupt? | |||||
| 149 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:52 |
Anytime the GOP can force Democrats to act defensive they are acting in their own best interests. It is the standard GOP playbook: Attack Dems and sow confusion, try to force themselves into the breach, screw national interest. | |||||
| 150 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 14:57 |
You're not going to bring up Karl Rove? 8] | |||||
| 151 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:14 |
Agreed that that's a stupid reason to seat him or not seat him. And agreed that playing that race card is pretty despicable. Here's the aforementioned article of the Constitution: "Section 5 - Membership, Rules, Journals, Adjournment Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide. Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member. Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal. Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting." The second paragraph is the relevant one, obviously. It doesn't specifically say that anything different would apply to the Senate as opposed to the House. And here's (forgive me for using Wikipedia, but it's a pretty decent start) a description of the Supreme Court case involving Adam Clayton Powell that Greenfield mentioned: Powell v. McCormack So, from a purely legal perspective, here's the problem as I see it: 1. Until something changes, the governor has the right according to the laws of the state of Illinois to appoint a replacement. 2. He did so. 3. The replacement is legally qualified (by the Constitution) to serve as a senator. End of discussion. The guy's a senator. Whether he appointed Roland Burris, himself, Mike Ditka, or someone by lottery from among the Constitutionally-acceptable replacements, they're a senator. You can argue and whine about what an idiot he is or how tainted he is (and all of that is true enough), but it doesn't matter. | |||||
| 152 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:30 | Well as you pointed out, the senate can refuse to seat him so 'The guy's a senator' may be a hollow description if they exercize that and I think the odds are he won't be seated. | |||||
| 153 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:35 |
Well as you pointed out, the senate can refuse to seat him I did? | |||||
| 154 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:37 |
The second paragraph is the relevant one, obviously. It doesn't specifically say that anything different would apply to the Senate as opposed to the House. That may be true regarding the senate and house rules allowing them control of their own standards for membership... However I heard it from Lisa Madigan's own lips [one of the top Illinois politicians] that applicable [Illinois?] rules make the vaccant senate seat a governor's appointment and the vaccant house seat an event automatically triggering a special election. | |||||
| 155 | Baldwin ID: 221172017 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:41 | AFAIK it is unsettled as to whether after impeaching him, the Illinois legislature can undo his senate appointment. I lean towards believing they can't and that they will be relying on the USA Senate to refuse to seat him. | |||||
| 156 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:43 |
Ah, I think we're talking at completely different targets then. No idea about Emanuel's seat; I'll take your word for it. I was referring to the people in Washington that are puffing up their chests and attempting to be outraged. Which they can be, of course, but I don't think legally they have a leg to stand on. It may or may not stop them from trying. | |||||
| 157 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 15:53 |
We're looking at February before the impeachment proceedings really get going, and the legal tangle over the IL SecState withholding his signature, on top of the Senate Dems seemingly holding firm not to seat anyone Blago picks will almost certainly make the pick a moot one. If he's not seated before Blago gets the boot then the next governor will get a chance to make a pick. The Powell case was about a sleazy candidate. This one is about a sleazy process. | |||||
| 158 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:08 |
It could be that long before impeachment, true. At this point I contend it isn't terribly relevant any more. I don't know that Jesse White (the IL Sec. of State) has much of a leg to stand on either. He may or may not give it a try. Then, as you note, the US Senate might try to block things further. But I think Powell is pretty clear: the US House (or, by logical extension, the Senate) has the right to say "nope, you aren't old enough" or "no, you haven't been a resident of the state for X number of years". It would be a very, very interesting legal question of the US Senate refused to seat Burris, then Blagojevich was impeached, then the new governor tried to appoint someone else to the ostensibly vacant seat. I am not a lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have to think that if you forced me to put a $10 Rotoguru bet on it, I'd say Burris would win the case if he pressed it. And to your last point: Of course it's a sleazy process, because it has Blagojevich's hair gel all over it. But like it or not, it IS the legal process. | |||||
| 159 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:20 | But that's exactly the point: The federal case being developed against the Governor is exactly to the point that the process is not legal, because of the pay-to-play allegations. | |||||
| 160 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:27 |
Which are, to this point, just allegations. Nobody's been convicted of anything. (Further, I don't know if any of those allegations involve Burris--haven't heard anything to the effect that they do.) Now, do I believe that they're true? Duh, of course. Assume the worst for the moment: they find a video tape of a $100,000 wad of cash being given from Burris to Blagojevich. I'm not sure that even then, from a legal perspective, the Senate could do anything other than seat him and then expel him. Which may amount to the same thing as not seating him, but it's not exactly the same. | |||||
| 161 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:33 |
And for the record, I think that they probably SHOULD, in an ideal world, be able to ignore any Blago appointment. And if the Illinois state legislature had gotten off it's collective keister, that might have happened. But I don't think that's what the law says. | |||||
| 162 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 16:44 |
Just by doing a cursory google search for Roland Burris and by looking at his political career, there doesn't appear to be anything corrupt about him yet. One thing that did stick out is that he's on the board of directors for Inland Real Estate Corporation. It is a publicly traded real estate investment trust company that specializes in medium-sized shopping centers. Not sure of any possible Rezko problems with that, but I would imagine that would have come to light by now. It trades under the symbol IRC and the stock performance has been in freefall like most of the market, but it looks like around very early December that the stock has tried to return to it's September numbers. | |||||
| 163 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 17:19 |
The real estate company I work for has just listed a couple of vacancies in centers Inland owns. (If anyone is looking for retail space in the Champaign, IL area, let me know!) Obviously, that's not a huge nugget of information, but in my limited dealings with them so far, they seem like fine folk who know what they're doing. I highly doubt that someone being on the board of directors there would have much of anything to do with the day to day operations, of course, and I have no idea what other properties they have, but if they stuff they have that we're working on is representative of their portfolio as a whole, they really do know what they are doing. | |||||
| 164 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 18:40 | Did you see the news yesterday and today with Bobby Rush and Roland Burris invoking the race card? It is pathetic and unreal regarding the lows to which politicians will go. | |||||
| 165 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 20:24 |
Rush is a guy with a 60's racial mentality who is the kind of politician Obama has been running against for some time. It is worth noting that Rush has been holding a grudge against Obama ever since he ran against Rush in his first race. They act like Chicago Al Sharptons, where this will be a blow against the black man if this doesn't go through. And sadly the racial flames are being fanned by Limbaugh and others in the GOP who merely see this as an opportunity to attack Dems. But does anyone doubt that those same people would be attacking Dems is they accepted Burris' appointment as being tainted? | |||||
| 166 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 20:28 | Sorry. The race card here is pathetic and it is not a partisan issue. | |||||
| 167 | Perm Dude ID: 01129319 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 21:25 | Is certainly is pathetic. And it is being toss down by Limbaugh and others for partisan reasons. | |||||
| 168 | Baldwin ID: 711143122 Wed, Dec 31, 2008, 23:15 | Was Rush even on today? I thot he was on vacation. | |||||
| 169 | Baldwin ID: 711143122 Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 01:08 |
Rush wasn't on today, in fact he hasn't been around for a week and won't be back until the fifth... ...which leads me to ask what PD meant when he said, And it is being toss down by Limbaugh and others for partisan reasons? Perhaps you had a brainsnap and mistook discussions of what Bobby Rush said for...? | |||||
| 170 | Pancho Villa ID: 51546319 Sun, Jan 04, 2009, 15:22 | Richardson withdraws nomination as Commerce Secretary | |||||
| 171 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Wed, Jan 07, 2009, 17:29 |
Someone agrees with me. I guess that's a good thing? link | |||||
| 172 | Boldwin ID: 5704850 Thu, Jan 08, 2009, 11:09 |
Latest buzz on Gov Blago... There is the chance that even if he is impeached in the next couple days, he would have the ability to refuse to call the new senate into session so that they would thus be unable to convict him. Granted that would be mindboggling but this guy has been pulling massively confrontational stunts against the Illinois legislature as a matter of course. He once called a special session to force them to deal with an issue and then failed to show up himself tho he was in town. This is the one guy shameless enuff to pull this trick. | |||||
| 173 | Boldwin ID: 5704850 Thu, Jan 08, 2009, 18:25 |
Harry Reid:"A lot of people tried to make this a racial issue, but Roland Burris has not, and will not," Reid said.Well no, he played a heavy clumsy race card like he was stuck in a time warp, he slurs his speach and needs to have every question repeated before he can formulate an answer. Other than that we can at least point out that he fits right in with a recent trend in Illinois of sending unqualified and wrongheaded senators to congress.  See Althouse | |||||
| 174 | Baldwin ID: 180202819 Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 17:53 | Blagojevich is unanimously thrown out of office. [with perhaps a few refusing to vote] Looks like he will be banned from future office in Illinois as well. | |||||
| 175 | walk ID: 181472714 Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 17:56 |
Wow, yeah, I just read that. 59-0 I wonder what he will do next? I think he's gonna try and do something on TV. | |||||
| 176 | Baldwin ID: 180202819 Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 18:00 | The only cloud is that now the other Illinois polititians who are every bit as corrupt if not moreso, almost to a man, will now be raising my taxes. The only plus in Blago's resume was his holding the line on taxes. Fees he raised, but he resisted taxes. | |||||
| 177 | Baldwin ID: 180202819 Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 18:01 |
WLS offered him a radio gig, but that was prolly too small and just a gimmick. Lobbyist? Lawyer? | |||||
| 178 | Perm Dude ID: 55072921 Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 00:31 |
#174: Not only was the vote for both resolutions unanimous, but everyone was present and voted. Roll Call (pdf) | |||||
| 179 | Baldwin ID: 180202819 Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 04:46 | A few changed their votes from present to yes, at the last second after seeing it was unanimous. When I posted there were still two voting present. | |||||
| 180 | Boldwin ID: 581202816 Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 20:36 |
I thot this was funny. My guess is that it is raw stenography. Anyone familiar with that? | |||||
| 181 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 23:01 | If you look at the "original", it looks OK. My guess is that it's some crappy OCR software at work. | |||||
| 182 | DWetzel at work ID: 49962710 Wed, May 13, 2009, 15:09 | Rezko and Rove? | |||||
| 183 | Perm Dude ID: 5510572522 Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 19:44 | Verdict: 1 count guilty, 23 counts mistried. | |||||
| 184 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 14:26 |
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| 185 | Mith ID: 98342014 Tue, Nov 20, 2012, 10:12 | Schadenfreude | |||||
| 186 | Boldwin ID: 1010402018 Tue, Nov 20, 2012, 23:38 | Criminals who refuse to count the military vote don't deserve that concession speech. | |||||
| 187 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Tue, Nov 20, 2012, 23:47 | proof? And no rightwing blogs. An actual news source. | |||||
| 188 | DWetzel ID: 25740420 Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 00:56 | Fortunately, he had to give it to real Americans, not Christofascists. | |||||
| 189 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 01:00 | Wonder how much trouble Rove will be in, for running an illegal Super-PAC? | |||||
| 190 | DWetzel ID: 25740420 Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 01:33 | It's only illegal if the liburulz are doing it, dude. If the Christofascists are doing it, it's good old American ingenuity at work. | |||||
| 191 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 01:54 |
BUSTED! Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS failed to file legally required paperwork Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, or Crossroads GPS for short, the SuperPAC founded by longtime Republican operative Karl Rove, filed as a tax-exempt 501(c)(4) organization with the federal Internal Revenue Service, as legally required by federal law. However, Crossroads GPS has its legal address in Warrenton, Virginia, and Crossroads GPS is required by Virginia state law to register as a charitable organization. Crossroads GPS did NOT register as a charitable organization in Virginia. Failing to register in VA, makes them ineligible to do any fund raising. | |||||
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