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Subject: Susan Komen cuts funding for Planned Parenthood Posted by: Tree - [17039238] Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 11:30 Susan G. Komen cuts ties with Planned Parenthood this comes on the heels of Komen suing smaller charities that use "For the Cure" in their names. really disappointing stuff. as someone who has helped raise money for Komen for a few years now, to see them buckling to political pressure and cutting ties with another major organization that promotes women's health is sad and for many people, devastating. | |||||||
| 1 | Tree ID: 17039238 Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:18 | as a friend of mine from the wrestling business just said "Yeah, this really hurts. As someone who depends on Planned Parenthood as an affordable way to manage my gynecological health this really hits me hard." | ||||||
| 2 | Tree ID: 20131215 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 17:20 |
Mayor Bloomberg and others give gifts and donations to counter the loss of Komen's money. as Komen begins to lurch along more like a business catering to the political right, it's also beginning a slide towards irrelevancy. a lot of people are already moving away from Komen. Damned shame, because they were certainly a worthy cause. | ||||||
| 3 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 18:09 | Blitzer invited the Chair for Susan G Komen to appear on "The Situation Room" and she declined. In my minds eye, that says all that needs saying. Move that organization to the rubbish pile. Just another in a line of GOP groups. | ||||||
| 4 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 19:23 |
Not happy until you corrupt every group. Does every group have to be on board baby killing to be legitimate in your eyes? I imagine you walk into a wine tasting and ask if they are pro-abortion before you'll have a seat. | ||||||
| 5 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 19:43 |
abortion stance, has nothing at all to do with it Boldwin. Except of course in your own twisted mind. PP has the primary mission, of providing pregnancy counseling and planning, and various other issues dealing with female healthcare, diagnosis and treatment. NOTHING in this world, will reduce the nr of abortions, faster than reducing the nr of unintended pregnancies. But the GOP in its rush to ensure what has been law for 20+ years, cuts funding to PP on the guise of "overhgead" contributing, blah blah blah. That logic, would dictate cutting funding to virtuially every rural hospital as well. How many Drs Offices, etc etc. Short sighted, small minded, self righteous people trying to force THEIR brand of right-wrong on everyone. All the while, declaring the other side as trying to tell them how to live. Here is the beauty of the pro choice position: You are anti-choice? No problem. You are allowed to take that position. You are pro-choice? No probnlem, you are allowed to take that position. Only one sides view (and efforts) try and force something down the throats of the "other" viewpoint. In truth B, you can not get much more anti-American, than that. | ||||||
| 6 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 19:52 |
NOTHING in this world, will reduce the nr of abortions, faster than reducing the nr of unintended pregnancies...But the GOP...cuts funding to PPEven you, in your heart of hearts, cannot believe PP reduces the number of abortions. | ||||||
| 7 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 20:05 |
I do. Access to contraception lowers the number of unintended pregnancies. Period. Study after study shows this to be true. [As a bonus, it is intuitively true as well]. The pro-life movement is so focused on the pipe dream of overturning Roe v Wade that they keep missing the point: Abortions are largely the result of women who have unintended pregnancies and/or feel they have no real options should they have the child. Conservatives, sadly, have waged concurrent war against some of the very things which would reduce the number of unintended pregnancies. If life is precious, it should far outweigh the unwillingness to consider contraceptive availability which has been proven to help drive down the abortion rates. | ||||||
| 8 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 20:06 | Here's a good piece on why a pro-lifer should support Planned Parenthood. | ||||||
| 9 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 20:12 |
It is simply delusional to see that genocidal organization in a positive light and to think they are in favor of less abortions taking place. Their clinics were deliberately placed in minority neighborhoods to further their founder's eugenics agenda. | ||||||
| 10 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 20:27 |
No B, it is simply delusional to see the GOP; rigid, unwavering, uncaring, selfrighteous, holier than thou; in a positive light. PP is in the areas they arem because thats where clinics are few and the need is greatest. | ||||||
| 11 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 21:33 | They were deliberately put in poor areas for the same reason you find Salvation Army soup kitchens there: That's where the people need the help. | ||||||
| 12 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 21:35 |
Margaret Sanger and her lieutenants taught Hitler racial cleansing and eugenics. She was NOT interested in less abortions. | ||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 21:37 |
Yeeeeah. Riiiight. Only 12 posts until the first Hitler reference. | ||||||
| 14 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 22:02 | A little balance on the whole "Sanger wanted to kill black babies" lie. | ||||||
| 15 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 22:48 |
Know your LEBENSBORN:In America the eugenics movement was spearheaded by two people: Margaret Sanger and Dr. Charles Davenport. Margaret Sanger’s primary concern for birth control originated as a consequence of her work in impoverished environments which led her to believe that “genetically inferior” persons should not have children and that centers for birth control should be placed in minority, impoverished, neighborhoods.Tell me again how PP is out to make abortion rare. | ||||||
| 16 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 22:59 |
Let's see....a background from 80 years ago, you holod up as the pinnacle of the movement yet today; while demanding proof that Pauls approved writings, no longer reflect his position of today. Reconcile how without evidence; You grant a pass to one ideology while holding another as the spawn of satan; all while the first is more recent than is the latter? (ie, Pauls newsletters were not so long as 80 years ago. Yet he gets a pass.) Admit it Boldwin, hell WE akll know it anyway...yu are so biased as to be blinded by it. It's a simple truth. Admit it already. | ||||||
| 17 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 23:09 |
A) I don't even like Ron Paul. B) Show me where he appointed an unquestionable racist to a prominent position in his organization and I'll denounce him as a racist. Or show me where he made racist comments. | ||||||
| 18 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 23:13 | I dont give a damn B, if you like Paul or dont. I dont give a damn, if you denounce him or dont. (Neither does he most lkely.) I WOULD however, like to see you be honest enough to admit that you are NOTHING, if you are not a mouthpiece for the far right extremist fringe of the GOP. | ||||||
| 19 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 23:49 | Dude, I don't even talk politics if I'm not on this board. | ||||||
| 20 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 00:04 |
From Wikipedia: In 1926, Sanger gave a lecture on birth control to the women's auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan in Silver Lake, New Jersey. She described it as "one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing," and added that she had to use only "the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand." Sanger's talk was well-received by the group, and as a result, "a dozen invitations to similar groups were proffered. Unlike today's far right wingers, Sanger believed that even people with whom she had disagreements would benefit from education. | ||||||
| 21 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 00:19 | re 19...only because nobody who knows you, is willing to tolerate your know-it-all attitude and refusal to honestly listen to what they have to say. | ||||||
| 22 | Tree ID: 17039238 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 01:49 |
Their clinics were deliberately placed in minority neighborhoods to further their founder's eugenics agenda. i don't even know what a "minority neighborhood" is. i do know, at least in my area, Planned Parenthood clinics are, generally speaking, in neighborhoods of mixed races. then again, i live in 2012, and not some weird world where everything is ghettoized. only someone truly ignorant would believe that Planned Parenthood is strictly about abortion. for many women i know - many friends of mine - it is the only place they can go for reasonably priced women's health care services. from birth control pills to breast cancer screenings to full on gynecological exams, Planned Parenthood has been very important in preserving the health of many people i love, and it is simply delusional to see that organization in a strictly negative light. | ||||||
| 23 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 04:48 |
even people with whom she had disagreements - PD Is that ever rich. Actually deal with the quotes from her own mouth. Her audience had the inchoate hatred. She had the actual plan to eliminate the race. In what way did she disagree with the KKK? She didn't like their lack of a plan? | ||||||
| 24 | DWetzel ID: 53326279 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 11:33 |
Apparently, they've changed their mind. link So, everybody get ready and flip-flop... starting.... NOW. | ||||||
| 25 | Tree ID: 3121310 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 11:44 |
this is truly a victory for women's health, women's rights, and the American people. it shows that speaking up, speaking out, and doing things the right way - without angry rheteoric, without lies, and with facts and reality, actually works. | ||||||
| 26 | Frick ID: 14082314 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 12:08 | This is a reason why I love social media. It provides a voice to the old silent majority. People can now voice their opinion in a way that grows as they talk with others that agree with them. | ||||||
| 27 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 13:01 |
Actually deal with the quotes from her own mouth Taking words from her own mouth and providing your own context and intent is dishonest. And you do it all the time. Read one of her books. They are online, available for free. | ||||||
| 28 | Khahan ID: 373143013 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 13:11 |
From Dwetzel's link in 24, this says it all: Through the Komen grants, Planned Parenthood says its health centers provided nearly 170,000 clinical breast exams and more than 6,400 mammogram referrals over the past five years. That is what the Susan G Komen Foundation was cutting funding to. End of story. Considering wht the Susan Komen Fund is supposedly in support of, there was no other possible reason other than political motivation for cutting funding. At least they realized the firestorm they created wasn't worth it and came around. | ||||||
| 29 | Tree ID: 43120312 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 13:23 |
That is what the Susan G Komen Foundation was cutting funding to. End of story. Considering wht the Susan Komen Fund is supposedly in support of, there was no other possible reason other than political motivation for cutting funding. At least they realized the firestorm they created wasn't worth it and came around. This. the issue was never about abortion. it was about, and remains about, affordable health care for women. it takes a big person to back track from a mistake, and kudos for Komen for doing so. they've got other issues they need to contend with internally, but this is certainly a large step in the right direction. | ||||||
| 30 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 17:40 | After collecting plenty of conservative contributions. I am fascinated by the way these organizations and politicians manage to pull money from both sides. | ||||||
| 31 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 17:43 | What is to be "fascinated", by differing ideologies, both supporting a charity? That you ARE fascinated, speaks volumes as to your character flaw. | ||||||
| 32 | Tree ID: 54128317 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 18:31 |
I am fascinated by the way these organizations and politicians manage to pull money from both sides. i'm not. it's called having an open-mind, and being able to work for the greater good without bias. try it. it might change your life. | ||||||
| 33 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 18:50 |
"I am fascinated by the way these organizations and politicians manage to pull money from both sides." To be fair, they probably didn't pull any contributions from those people that are against treating cancer, since that's the "other side" in question. | ||||||
| 34 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 22:17 | Komen never intended to quit PP. They both made out like bandits. Just a stunt. | ||||||
| 35 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 22:35 | A potentiality, though I doubt it in this case B. Komen's stated reason for terminating the funding, is a policy which precludes their funding groups who are under investigation. On the serface, a reasonable policy to have, and why Komen was ending the relationship. The CAUSE however for the PP investigation, is nothing short of a political witch hunt. Like it or not B, abortion is legal in this country. That you do not like that, frankly...too fkn bad. Same for the GOP...they need to realize, they are wasting vast sums of taxpayer money, on a political witch hunt. Since the investigation is political in nature and NOT fraud or criminal acts on the part of PP, Komen rightly reversed their position re PP. | ||||||
| 36 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 23:48 | I've recently read allegations, that 30% of Susan G Komens funding goes to overhead and less than 70% goes on to charities and only a minute portion actually goes to research into a potential cure. Trying to find something more substantial than "allegations". | ||||||
| 37 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 23:59 |
Havent found a breakdown yetm but ran across this: Komen aggressively sues small charities for using the word "cure" in their names Komen's general counsel, Jonathan Blum, told HuffPost that the fundraising powerhouse tries to be reasonable when dealing with small charities and nonprofits, but that it has a legal duty to protect its more than 200 registered trademarks. "It's never our goal to shut down a nonprofit," he said, "and we try very hard to be reasonable, but it's still our obligation to make sure that our trademarks are used appropriately so there's no confusion in the marketplace over where people's money is going." Blum told HuffPost that legal fees comprise a "very small part" of Komen's budget, but according to Komen's financial statements, such costs add up to almost a million dollars a year in donor funds. I think Susan G Komen's people, made a HUGE error in drawing this kind of attention to themselves. In the long run, it can only hurt their image, which they seem to more interested in preserving than they are in finding any cures. | ||||||
| 38 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 00:04 | Charity Watch gives them a B+ and has them as a Top Rated Organization | ||||||
| 39 | Tree ID: 25119219 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 00:06 |
Sarge - i mentioned that in the first post. Lol Baldwin - i doubt it. Irreparable damage has been done to the komen brand. | ||||||
| 40 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 11:05 |
I'm just curious how genuine the appeal is that PP helps poor women. Besides steering minority women into one more decision, to kill their babies. In view of the 15 million hits for free hospital breast cancer screening does anyone here actually have a local hospital in their area where poor women can't get a breast cancer screening for little or no money? I just think PP's 'help' is like Obamacare's 'help' in end-of-life decision making. Just another crack at steering people, "Won't you please just end a useless eater's life?" | ||||||
| 41 | Mith ID: 50151411 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 12:51 | Your vast expertise in google science is on full display here. | ||||||
| 42 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 12:57 |
contrary to what you choose to believe Boldwin, hospitals WILL turn you away, if you have insuficient funds and/.or insurance with which to pay them. Surgeons wont do a bypass, the anastheoligist wont administer sedative, the O.R. wont be prepped and the patient wont be cared for, w/o first demonstrating the ability to pay the bill. THAT, is a simple fact. | ||||||
| 43 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:21 |
And neither will Planned Parenthood. What they both do is free breast cancer screening. So why should Komen fund PP when... A)Hospitals already deliver it... B)and if they don't make it completely free Komen could just fund hospitals to do it. | ||||||
| 44 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:25 | reread 42. Hospitals WILL turn a patient away, when that patient lacks the ability to pay. Happens, every damn day. | ||||||
| 45 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:31 |
And twinkies taste good. Water is wet. Can you stick to a subject for five minutes? Komen pays PP to screen for breast cancer... ...when hospitals already do THAT for free or almost free... Why should Komen feel any need to fund PP? When half the donating public feels betrayed by that and is pro-life, Komen's vice president is pro-life, it isn't Komen's mission to kill babies and they don't need to do that. | ||||||
| 46 | sarge33rd ID: 211332319 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:41 | OK, for the thrid time...HOSPITALS, will not provide services, if you can not pay. Yes, they will up to a xcertain dollar amount each year. Once they hit that figure, its all done. They will send you away, without treating you. UNLESS, it is a life threatening situation. Then, they will stabilize you and THEN, send you away. | ||||||
| 47 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:46 |
Ok, for the third time, Komen doesn't seek donations to pay for general medical care. They are in the breast cancer prevention business. Try and focus. You can do it if you try. | ||||||
| 48 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 14:50 |
"Komen pays PP to screen for breast cancer... ...when hospitals already do THAT for free or almost free... Why should Komen feel any need to fund PP?" Because, for once, it would be an example of a charity actually doing what conservatives say charities should be doing, instead of having government programs pay for it? What part of "for free" do you fail to understand? Do you think that you are actually paying for it (via either government programs, or increased costs in other activities), or do you think the Breast Cancer Screening Fairy comes down and just sort of takes care of that stuff? | ||||||
| 49 | Tree ID: 17039238 Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 10:28 |
Oklahoma Senator Pickets Personhood Bill With Hilarious, Obscene Sign i love this. NOTE - SIGN IS NSFW. I DID NOT POST IT FOR THAT REASON. but it made me laugh, in context and presentation. | ||||||
| 50 | sarge33rd ID: 4717718 Thu, Mar 15, 2012, 16:45 |
turns out, it was pressure from the Catholic Church The earliest signs of discord came in 2005, when South Carolina's Catholic diocese pulled out of the local Komen fundraiser. It was followed over the next four years by individual dioceses in Arizona, Indiana, Florida, Missouri and other states, where bishops either spoke out against Komen or took steps to stem donations to the charity, mainly because of its Planned Parenthood link. The momentum picked up in 2011 when top Ohio clerics met in Columbus. High on their agenda was the question of whether the state's nine dioceses should participate in Komen fundraisers. At the time, Komen's position was that they terminated the grants, because PP was under investigation and they (SGK) didn't provide grants to those beng investigated. Sounded plausible really, except the investigation was purely political. Now it seems, so was the SGK decision. Politically motivated, in order to make the Catholic Church feel better about the SGK organization. IMHO? Shame on the both of them. | ||||||
| 51 | katietx ID: 4745249 Fri, May 04, 2012, 10:54 |
Well, I haven't been here in a while. Just lost 2 hours of my life reading. Too bad there aren't any women to chime in on this particular issue (besides me who never visits this forum anymore for very specific reasons). So, my contribution, albeit a bit late in the game is kudos to: the issue was never about abortion. it was about, and remains about, affordable health care for women. There is no such thing-at least not in the general world of health care. Those of us lucky enough to have Tri-Care (and yes we DO pay for it) get fantastic health care. I can tell you, from experience, there is not a hospital that offer's free (or even "almost" free) mammograms. Just doesn't happen. However there are programs available for free mammograms, pap smears and other women's health issues. And YOU pay for it. I pay for it. But those women who avail themselves of those programs do not, in any fashion, get real overall healthcare. And, just for the record, state/city/county/gov't operated hospitals CANNOT turn away someone because they cannot pay. They use "charity" case programs. I'll go back into sometimes lurkdom. Off the soapbox and put it back in the closet as not to get myself riled up. *waving to a few of my buds* | ||||||
| 52 | Seattle Zen ID: 10732616 Fri, May 04, 2012, 10:58 | Waving back at ya. | ||||||
| 53 | Khahan ID: 30223147 Mon, May 07, 2012, 13:23 |
I can tell you, from experience, there is not a hospital that offer's free (or even "almost" free) mammograms. Just doesn't happen. However there are programs available for free mammograms, pap smears and other women's health issues. And YOU pay for it. I pay for it. But those women who avail themselves of those programs do not, in any fashion, get real overall healthcare. This may (and probably does) vary state by state, but contact your insurance agent and ask about cancer insurance. It may be a bit of a morbid topic. However many cancer insurance programs reimburse you for the cost of a mammogram. So while you have to pay for the policy, the mammogram and other testing is paid back and the policy pays for itself. | ||||||
| 54 | Baldwin ID: 46429712 Mon, May 07, 2012, 13:37 | Yo Katietx. 8] | ||||||
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