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Subject: The Taking of Antelope Valley Posted by: Boldwin - [25530309] Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 10:55 How much mischief can they get away with and how can citizens defend themselves from the enemies of freedom in government? In this case is it the LA county rich and powerful pulling a landgrab? Buy up the whole valley at firesale prices and then gentrify it? Is it Agenda 21? What is a teflon letter? Will these angry as hell and abused to the max folks be able to take back enuff of their local government to push back and can they do it before they are all broken? What can be done proactively [local or nationally] before the armed NAT goons show up in your neighborhood? For example: roughly 1 of 3.5 local households is an independent trucker parking their $130K rig alongside their rural home where there can keep an eye on it so it isn't stripped. Now they can't park there. Phonehenge, one of many targetted, this one the most famous, recently convicted on 12 counts. Save phonehenge facebook | |||||||
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| 120 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 20:18 |
Did you not listen to the old farmer who was losing his million dollar farm in the video in #44? I did listen to 81 year old Bob King in the link in #44, at least what was coherent. He starts by saying they're trying to take away his livelihood, then states he doesn't have a 401K like "most of you guys do." Then he disses Fish and Wildlife and commercial fishermen as his worst enemies. Then he says his power bills will go way up. Nowhere does he say he's going to lose his million dollar farm or explain how his livelihood is being taken away. Plus, it's explained to him his power bills will go up due either to dam removal or Pacific Corps bringing the dams up to speed, which they have passed on. But this isn't the first time Bob King got in the local news. Two year earlier, Bob King, who farms just north of the border in Oregon, said if the dams are removed he will have to pay $120,000 to drill a well for irrigation, and he said he will incur higher power costs. "The removal of the dams means a higher power bill and dirty power," King said. "They will have to use something else to make power out of, and water is about the cleanest power that we have. They are going to put us 100 years behind." Really, Bob, 100 years behind? Prone to exaggeration much? Take away your livelihood? Commercial fishermen your worst enemy? You sure that irrigation well might just cost 20 grand? From the same link, we find that there are other voices in the mix besides the Bob Kings. For Klamath Project irrigators, a secure water supply was contingent upon them agreeing to the dam removal project. Steve Kandra, Klamath Water Users Association board member and past-president, says the agreement will not only provide water supply security to Klamath Water Project farmers, but also benefit others in the region. "There are mechanisms too where there will be some security for folks outside the irrigation projects, dealing with tribal trust issues and so forth," he said. Kandra, who farms in California and Oregon, said the agreement is the solution to address endangered-species issues faced by Klamath Basin farmers. "We're going to be working towards a general conservation plan, where we'll be able to have a biological opinion that will give us a lot more flexibility on dealing with fish issues than with just water," Kandra said. But again, Boldwin isn't concerned with an intelligent discussion about this issue. He isn't concerned with the livelihood of the commercial fishermen. He ignores positive comments from Steve Kandra, Klamath Water Users Association board member and past-president, with farms in Oreon and California. Nope only Bob King and those who are convinced the Agenda 21 global slavery movement is the culprit behind the possible removal of these dams are the only voices that matter. I can only be thankful that your "research" and "analysis" is limited to internet musings as opposed to actually having a contributory position in western land and water issues. | ||||||
| 121 | Tree ID: 2210351419 Mon, Nov 14, 2011, 20:35 |
I think that link in #114 is probably the most important link I've ever posted here or anywhere else. i like when he gets all hubris-y and stuff. the list of stuff Baldwin | ||||||
| 122 | Boldwin ID: 1510511410 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 04:11 |
I can only be thankful that your "research" and "analysis" is limited to internet musings With that link in #114 I showed you just about every sucker on the international 'soft law' tentacles the UN has on land use restrictions in this country and how democracy and self-determination are thwarted at every turn just as surely as unwilling participants in the EU were dragged into the EU kicking and screaming and despite beating the EU in referenda after referenda. | ||||||
| 123 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 12:07 |
The link in #114 is an hour and a half. So, I went to Rosa Koire's organization, The Post Sustainability Institute for the cliff notes. Considering that its[Agenda 21] policies are woven into all the General Plans of the cities and counties This is the 1st sentence, and we're already exposed to a paranoia of generalities that prohibits rational discussion. Agenda 21 policies are woven into all the General Plans of the cities and counties. In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners. It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control. Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body. Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans. Alright, I've read enough to know that when Boldwin says I showed you just about every sucker , he must be referring to himself, since he believes this is the most important link I've ever posted here or anywhere else. What he's shown is that he's found like-minded activists who see Agenda 21 around every corner and are obsessed with using those claims as cover for every single item whether it's related or not. A project to preserve a wetland - AGENDA 21 What about citizens who want to preserve these wetlands that are important migratory bird habitats,and are instrumental habitat for thousands of species of non-humans? Are these citizens suckers of Agenda 21 in every case? Should all wetlands be available as property to be developed and paved over. You see, it's impossible to make generic claims of conspiracy when every proposed wetland designation has unique components that must be addressed on an individual basis. My father was involved in preserving wetlands for bird habitat in the 1950s, long before Agenda 21 ever existed. So, who's the sucker; the person whose immediate response to any proposed preserved wetland is a hysterically negative claim of diminished liberty and rights while waving Agenda 21 as proof, or the person concerned that migratory bird populations deserve a place on this planet as they have for millions of years and are in real danger as human encroachment eliminates more and more habitat? A proposal to set aside any land as wilderness - AGENDA 21 A proposal for a development close to employment centers and transportation - AGENDA 21 And then there's this: Your street lights are off, your parks are shaggy, your roads are pot-holed, your hospitals are closing. The money that should be used for these things is diverted into the Redevelopment Agency. This is from a woman, who, as a real estate appraiser( and her "partner", a general contractor) lost a protracted legal battle with a Redevelopment Agency in Santa Rosa. Didn't feel the need to dig for details, especially after reading in the next paragraph: Redevelopment is a tool used to further the Agenda 21 vision of remaking America's cities. With redevelopment, cities have the right to take property by eminent domain---against the will of the property owner, and give it or sell it to a private developer. By declaring an area of town 'blighted' (and in some cities over 90% of the city area has been declared blighted) the property taxes in that area can be diverted away from the General Fund. This constriction of available funds is impoverishing the cities, forcing them to offer less and less services, and reducing your standard of living. They'll be telling you that it's better, however, since they've put in nice street lights and colored paving. The money gets redirected into the Redevelopment Agency and handed out to favored developers building low income housing and mixed use. Smart Growth. Cities have had thousands of condos built in the redevelopment areas and are telling you that you are terrible for wanting your own yard, for wanting privacy, for not wanting to be dictated to by a Condo Homeowner's Association Board, for being anti-social, for not going along to get along, for not moving into a cramped apartment downtown where they can use your property taxes for paying off that huge bond debt. But it's not working, and you don't want to move in there. So they have to make you. Wow! Anyone here ever been told you are terrible for wanting your own yard, for wanting privacy, etc.? Geez, it's just more and more hysteria, interspersed with valid concerns, granted, but unless you're willing to drink the entire glass of Kool-Aid, it's too hard to wade through all the BS to get to the few tidbits of validity. OK, this is getting long and drawn out, so I'll conclude by saying it's fine with me if Newt becomes President and defunds Agenda 21. At the same time, it's dishonest and a distraction to claim Agenda 21 at work for every city planning commission, bond issue, private property issue, national forest and federal land issue, water rights issue, environmental protection issue ad infinitum. We're all stupid and nothing will change that. I'm going to prove that right now by going to play golf in 43 degree weather. My course, The Ranches, is in a rural setting where single family homes are again being built, there's no public transportation, the roads aren't potholed, no one is trying to move me into a cramped condo, and deer, hawks, and other wildlife are a welcome gallery. Rather than fret about the UN, I'll be counting my blessings as most Americans should, because we're the lucky ones. | ||||||
| 124 | Boldwin ID: 2510471511 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:05 |
She's not just some appraiser who lost a legal battle with the redevelopment agency. Maybe you think she was suing over some property her contractor partner was working on. Oh no. That woman is the appraiser who puts the price tag on each eminent domain and regulatory taking in her area as well as a court expert on that. That legal case was doubtless one of many where her group put up legal obstacles to outrageous regional manipulation and harm to vast numbers of individuals. Harm which she is intimately acquainted with inside and out from an 'inside the process' perspective. You think skimming her site told you all you needed to know about her presentation but she went into how comprehensive that invasion of personal liberty will eventually go, including neighborhood local government bullies and snoops, loss of cars, loss of single residency, loss of human access to the non-city countryside, loss of property taxes from large areas being syphoned in perpetuity from legitimate local needs to further UN regulatory abuses. She covered exactly which quasi-governmental documents were being used at the local level. There were countless other issues brought up besides what you skimmed. | ||||||
| 125 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:07 | She's injecting UN boogeymen wherever she can. She's completely unobjective. 'nuff said. | ||||||
| 126 | Boldwin ID: 2510471511 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:13 |
And that's coming from a feminist, lesbian, pro-choice, former life-long democratic voter who founded 'Democrats Against UN Agenda 21'. So maybe you might loosen the earplugs and take an honest and hard look for once at something that is far more than a left-right issue and so large that it will eventually effect every area of your life to the detriment to your own personal freedom. | ||||||
| 127 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:17 | This is like spanking a masochist. | ||||||
| 128 | PV @ Ranches ID: 1010151016 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:17 | I pity people who allow their paranoia to rule their daily lives. | ||||||
| 129 | Boldwin ID: 2510471511 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 13:20 | It's not the boogeyman anymore when you've got pictures and their home address. | ||||||
| 130 | Tree ID: 41512710 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 14:34 |
And that's coming from a feminist, lesbian, pro-choice, former life-long democratic voter who founded 'Democrats Against UN Agenda 21'. you do realize that you're the only person here who looks at these things as if it matters. there isn't any other poster here who says "well, if she's a feminist, lesbian, pro-choice, former life-long democract, she's got to be right!!!" we form our own opinions based on the facts, as opposed to you forming your opinions on what and who you selectively choose to read, and the opinions and ideals of those you select. | ||||||
| 131 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 20:37 |
take an honest and hard look for once Funny, I was thinking about telling you the same thing, except then I thought that's the way you talk to your kids when you find them smoking cigs behind the shed. I took the time to find this woman's website and commented on it in the most honest and hard way I possibly could. For example, when someone says, Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans. That's a big problem in this country, all that freakin land taken up by non-humans. But some people actually believe it, based on this map. The map is blatant lie, of course, as any one who willing to take an honest and hard look would admit. I know this because I live in one of the states with the most red(indicating wilderness to wildland)and am intimately knowledgeable of the geography as well as areas under consideration for wilderness designation. Check these maps of current Rocky Mountain wilderness, national forest and national park areas against the earlier map. National forests and national parks are multiple use areas where there are ski areas, camp grounds, mining, forestry and energy extraction industries at work. National Parks are, of course, full of humans. BLM land are also multiple use lands, with barely any wilderness designation in Utah. The ultimate goal of Wilderness advocates is implementing the UNITED NATIONS Wildlands Project to make over 50% of America off limits to human use. Areas in RED would allow little or no human use. In the West the majority of the areas not in RED would be highly regulated buffer zones That's the text accompanying the 1st map. It has no basis in reality. That's too diplomatic. The map and text are a f#^%$ing lie and anyone who promotes such, then advises me to take an honest and hard look for once should really do some homework next time. | ||||||
| 132 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 21:02 | 127...candidate for post of the month. | ||||||
| 133 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 21:19 |
Leaders in the UN and the leading lights of environmental NGO's have been very explicit that they intend to deindustrialize the USA, impoverish the USA and remove humans from most of the land. Just because they haven't bulldozed every logging road yet and put up barricades on the road to your cabin in the woods doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen. It will definately happen as fast as they can get away with it. Soft laws 180 degrees contrary to the will of the locals takes decades to fully impliment sometimes. And you are a great help to them. | ||||||
| 134 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 21:41 | Hell, the GOP is doing a fair job of impoverishing us. | ||||||
| 135 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 22:30 |
I just wanna see the look on the faces on all those Mother Jones Whole Earth Catalog gray haired back-to-the-earthers when they get dragged out of their yurts and dumped on the asphalt by the people they put in power. Sorry man, I tried to warn you. | ||||||
| 136 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 22:45 |
I just wanna see the look on the faces on all those Sorry man, I tried to warn you. | ||||||
| 137 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 22:47 |
#135 is further proof that, at least in this case, intelligent discussion is beyond you. What you look forward to, based on what you think will happen is a complete and utter act of surrender. As for #133, wilderness designation is accomplished only by the US Congress, not UN leaders, or leading lights of environmental NGO's. Just because your Drill, Baby, Drill lobbyists haven't cut down every tree, strip-mined every mountain, poisoned every river and lake, and eliminated every non-human specie from the face of the Earth doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. See, your technique sounds pretty stupid. | ||||||
| 139 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 23:36 |
See the difference is an oil executive might actually revere the Grand Tetons and want it there for his great great grandkids. But environmental leaders do not like you. * Jacques-Yves Cousteau, environmentalist and documentary maker: “It’s terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized, and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. This is so horrible to contemplate that we shouldn’t even say it. But the general situation in which we are involved is lamentable.”And those people got what they wanted at Earth Summit in Rio in 1992 And they got what they wanted in Earth Summit Rio+20 this year. And they got what they wanted when Bush signed the Agenda 21 document. And they got what they wanted when the president tasked ICLIE to draw up model local laws to impliment Agenda 21 in every county in America. And they always eventually get what they want after as many iterations of Delphi Technique phony 'public buy in' sessions as it takes. And they always get what they want when the zoning boards adopt ICLIE models for their own county/region etc. And they always get what they want when the regional General Plan is drawn up because you wouldn't want to miss out on any federal dollars. And you are as good as screwed and dumped on the asphalt in front of a crowded crowded tenement building never to own a car again and you don't even know it. | ||||||
| 140 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 23:42 | Asphalt...phfffft. On the bike trail or the light rail tracks. What was I thinking? | ||||||
| 141 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Tue, Nov 15, 2011, 23:50 |
Well B, in truth...there is nothing wrong with planet earth, that wouldnt be solved with the elimination of man. Now, that statement, does not mean i WISH to eliminate man. It merely means, I recognize the TRUTH of the statement. | ||||||
| 142 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 00:01 |
You're from Arizona, right PV? Here's what you can't do with your own land, that you didn't knowabout, didya? Arizona 'Smart Code'. Then again maybe yer the kinda guy who shows up at those meetings and begs them to take away your rights. | ||||||
| 143 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 00:04 |
Sarge And Sarah gets criticized over crosshairs. And your post passes the civility test with flying colors, you just know it...lol. If only you were dead. Amazing. | ||||||
| 144 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 00:37 |
As you yet again, fail in English comprehension. Admitting something is true, is NOT tantamount to endorsing that same something. EX: The majority of wealth within the United States, is concentrated in a very small minority portion of the population. Which is to say, the monies are not very evenly divided. Now, those are both absolutely true statements. In the making of them, I neither endorse nor condemn them. I merely state them as fact. From the statements ALONE, you can not ascertain whether I think that fact to be good, bad or otherwise. | ||||||
| 145 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 00:55 | Do you think it is impossible that mankind could make the planet better than natural? | ||||||
| 146 | sarge33rd ID: 5410381514 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 01:04 | yes. it is not in our nature to leave things alone. But rather to melt them, bend them, alter them to 'our will'. To exploit for profit and personal gain. To 'get' for me, while depriving 'you'. THAT, is human nature. | ||||||
| 147 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 03:38 | You're a christian now, remember? Assuming that is true, you believe man was made as a caretaker of a more perfect garden than nature left on it's own. One which was to be deliberately spread out over the globe to replace nature left on its own. | ||||||
| 148 | Tree ID: 41512710 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 07:02 |
what's the point of 139? no one there is advocating killing humans, just pointing out that without us, this planet might possibly do better. but look out, the sky is falling on crazyland! | ||||||
| 149 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 10:27 |
what's the point of 139? The point is to distract from actually discussing real issues in real terms. Talk all you want about the Delphi Technique, but what do we call the technique that posts a map of the US which shows over half the land would allow little or no human use in an outright and easily proven lie? I'm curious as to the origin of that map, because it's only goal is to create hysteria and misinformation among those who have pre-determined that any environmental protection of any kind is the result of a UN conspiracy to deindustrialize the USA, impoverish the USA and remove humans from most of the land. Im not from Arizona, so I'm not familiar with the Smart Code, and I'm fairly certain you're not either. But as long as we're talking the Southwest, and your phony concern for property rights and freedoms, where is your concern for the residents of the Colorado River delta. Make that former residents, because the delta is now uninhabitable, thanks to dams, irrigation and the basic ravages of humans. Zoning in Arizona must take into consideration that there's no more water that can be drained out of the Colorado, because there's no more river to flow into the Sea of Cortez. Which brings us full circle to the Klamath River, which you claim is the poster boy for Agenda 21, based on some of the weakest arguements and obstinate refusal to honestly analyze this particular situation, taking into account the rights of all the people involved as well as the long-term health of the river. Therein lies the problem. A refusal to acknowledge that there are environmental considerations that need to be addressed. A refual to acknowledge that there is only so much water to go around, and dedicated and concerned people from all ends of the spectrum have spent years looking for equitable solutions. You've been totally dismissive of anything that conflicts with your Agenda 21 and Delphi Technique theories. You're dismissive of the disappearing salmon population; dismissive of the commercial fishermen, whose season was cancelled due to the near extinction of the fish; dismissive of the algae bloom the dams have created causing toxic water levels; dismissive of the farmers and ranchers in favor of the dam removal; dismissive of the biologists, hydrologists and all scientific studies regarding the issue. You've dumbed it down to quotes from Jacques Cousteau, Ted Turner and Maurice Strong, yet, to my knowledge, none of those people have ever attended a public hearing on the subject, nor were they involved in the vetting process that has led to the current status, which has yet to be resolved. If you didn't want to discuss the Klamath River issue, why did you bring it up? You seem to think I should simply accept your radical one-sided view without question, and if I don't, you attempt to brand me as an enabler of dark UN forces and just too stupid to realize it. | ||||||
| 150 | Perm Dude ID: 39961218 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 11:16 |
you believe man was made as a caretaker of a more perfect garden than nature left on it's own The guy now fumbles both environmental science, land development, and theology. | ||||||
| 151 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 11:21 |
I want to discuss why Americans everywhere have no actual democratic say in the land use of their property and community. You can discuss and reach all the pointless consensus here or any other forum that you want and it isn't gonna change anything except at the margins because these issues have already been set in stone and agreed to between your regional planners, ICLIE and the UN and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it even if every last person in your town thinks you should make your other decisions. | ||||||
| 152 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 11:27 |
PD If you believe the Bible you believe Adam and Eve were placed in a perfect garden and instructed to spread those bounderies until Edenic conditions filled the whole earth. | ||||||
| 153 | sarge33rd ID: 1310261612 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 16:58 | let's sere...the earth, without human kind, evolved over several millenia from a ball of molten rock, to life sustaining. How exactly, could man POSSIBLY improve upon that? Answer....he cant. He can only screw it up. | ||||||
| 154 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:02 |
So by your lights, God's putting man on earth was a 'bungle in the jungle'. Go back to whoever taught you to think in such a God-dishonoring way and resign from their program. | ||||||
| 155 | sarge33rd ID: 1310261612 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:07 | No, God putting man on Earth was for HIS purpose, not ours. And I do not claim to be able to discern what his purpose may have been. | ||||||
| 156 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:15 | Read his instructions to Adam then. It's right there in Genesis. It's easy. You can find it on your own. | ||||||
| 157 | sarge33rd ID: 1310261612 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:21 | That you claim to know His will, says volumes. | ||||||
| 158 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:32 |
I know exactly what his assignment to Adam was. Spread the perfect garden he was plopped down on. The rest of the earth hadn't been 'gardened'...it needed subduing in that sense. | ||||||
| 159 | sarge33rd ID: 1310261612 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:35 | and nothing changed after the apple and all? How arrogant, can one man possibly be? | ||||||
| 160 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:39 |
God doesn't change, not even the turning of a shadow. You can look it up. The rebellion was a regrettable detour but God's purpose for the earth won't even be late in finishing. It will turn out exactly as he planned. He never fails. | ||||||
| 161 | Tree ID: 41512710 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:41 |
Go back to whoever taught you to think in such a God-dishonoring way and resign from their program. so you're leaving your church? | ||||||
| 162 | Boldwin ID: 1910361518 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:43 | Learn to read. | ||||||
| 163 | sarge33rd ID: 1310261612 Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 21:51 | not gonna participate in any further hijacking of this thread. | ||||||
| 164 | Tree ID: 41512710 Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 00:30 |
Learn to read. 
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| 165 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 17:57 |
Arizona legislature response to fake UN conspiracy by shooting its own laws a few times. | ||||||
| 166 | Boldwin ID: 49330134 Sun, Apr 13, 2014, 06:29 | Screwing citizens, just because they can. | ||||||
| 167 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sun, Apr 13, 2014, 11:14 |
I am in a similar situation, and feel disheartened like this couple does. I live in a house on a 5 acre lot in Colorado Springs. When the house was built (1972), the surrounding area was supported with dirt roads. The land is zoned agricultural. Today I am surrounded by housing and commerce, but it is still a pleasant place to live because there are 16 adjacent 5 acre lots zoned the same. However, now one of the land owners next to me, a major land developer in the area, has successfully converted his land from agricultural to commercial and multifamily zoning. He was able to do this in spite of near unanimous opposition to it from over 500 neighbors (via a signed petition). The planning commission and the city council (the greater majority whose full time jobs are in the land development industry) were able to ignore the neighborhood concerns and allow for the change of zoning. So, this kind of selectivity in favoring one person's land rights over another, is subject to the whims of those in power. It is not the exclusive domain of tree-hugging liberals over money hungry conservative developers. It's not eminent domain but the effect is the same. Bottom line for me is that, as my father told me in my youth, "It's that power corrupts and corrupt people seek power to do corrupt things. For most in political office, they only sought office to steal from the public". That's not conjecture, its fact. I was an accountant for the City of Cleveland (under then Mayor Dennis Kucinich). As I have observed, corruption is rampant and unchecked in local governments. It's only at the top of the food chain that you regularly observe it in the federal government. In contrast, it's there at every level in local governments, and in some locales, there's no attempt to disguise it. A few go into office hoping to protect the powerless, the powerless have nothing to offer them in return. These innocent few politicians soon learn how impossible their task is, become disheartened, and often go over to the dark side, if they dont just quit. It's even rarer when one persists. So, it's rare to find a politician that is looking out for anyone but himself. If you do find that guy, give him a break, he means well...vote for the other guy though, let that crook get the ulsers. The best hope for America is to elect very poor thieves and/or the chosen representatives of very poor thieves. As for this couple....what did they do to piss someone off? | ||||||
| 168 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sun, Apr 13, 2014, 16:02 |
Q: What's black and brown and looks great on a lawyer? A: You're hated neighbor's pit bull | ||||||
| 169 | Boldwin ID: 49330134 Sun, Apr 13, 2014, 21:18 | Dish the dirt on Dennis Kucinich. | ||||||
| 170 | Bean ID: 5292191 Mon, Apr 14, 2014, 10:47 |
Dirt on Kucinich is he is that rare well-meaning honest politician. Well, at least he was on my watch, haven't followed his career closely since leaving Cleveland in the 80s. He ran for mayor on a get rid of the "fat-cats" agenda and won easily, so clearly people thought they knew what they wanted. Not sure how effective he was as a mayor, but people clearly still want him in politics in NE Ohio. His career has spanned nearly 50 years and my recollection is his campaigns aren't well funded. Since he doesn't like fat cats, they dont like him either. You may not agree with his politics, but you have to admire his fortitude. | ||||||
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