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0 Subject: The Direction of the GOP III or Campaign 2012

Posted by: Perm Dude
- [5510572522] Fri, Sep 24, 2010, 11:36

Have at it boys. A new sandbox.
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1977Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Mon, Feb 27, 2012, 09:33
Is the previous poster really adding anything to your enjoyment of this forum?

if you can't stand counter points, then leave.

you're the guy who considers himself to be a religious man, yet you condone the desecration of holy books, the desecration of corpses, and now, race baiting.

if your god is accepting of those things, more power to you. my god finds those things vile.
1978DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Feb 27, 2012, 11:13
"Is the previous poster really adding anything to your enjoyment of this forum?"

If this standard were universally applied, you'd have been gone a long time ago.

I do find it amusing, nay, funny, nay, totally ******* hilarious, that you're so easily offended though by his posts. After all, there's a difference between a Jehovah's Witnessic and a Jehovah's Witnessist. If you're the former, you have nothing to be offended about.
1979scoobies
      ID: 161532715
      Mon, Feb 27, 2012, 16:53
Yep, both 1974 and 1978 added quite a bit to my enjoyment of this forum today.
1980Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Feb 28, 2012, 20:17
Olympia Snowe declines to run. GOP caught flatfooted

Can't be easy to be a moderate Republican these days. Can't say I blame her for not running again.
1981sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 13:51
moderate Rep Sen Snowe, to leave office

The Bush-Cheney-Rove legacy, for which history will condemn them. More than anything else, they introduced vile partisanship to the exclusion of moderates, even from their own party.
1982Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 14:13
Good riddance.
1983sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 14:18
Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I submit post 1982, as my final evidence in support of post 1981.
1984Razor
      ID: 551031157
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 15:35
Not disappointed to see Snowe go. The idea that she is a moderate is not borne out by her behavior over the last couple of years, when she joined the GOP minority to block virtually all legislation.
1985Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 18:56
IL House GOP candidate: Holocaust a big lie.

Some of these state-level candidates are just crazy.
1986sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 19:29
ummmm, has anyone told him that as a Republican, he is supposed to blindly love Israel? (Which is not to take away from the ignorance of his statement. But does he even understand his own parties positions????)
1987scoobies
      ID: 01372920
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 21:37
Be afraid; be very afraid....of Girl Scouts
1988sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 21:40
Yeah, even his fellow GOP House members there in IN made fun of him for that one. The Maj Leader (Rep) brough a few boxes of Girl Scout cookies to session, and passed them out. Morris, is a buffoon, whose own party is (rightfully) holdng him in ridicule for that.
1989sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 21:47
This to me is worse than one moronic State Rep

Several Girl Scout troops in Chantilly, Va., have been banned from meeting at a local Catholic church and a neighboring school.

St. Timothy Catholic Church said that scouts won’t be allowed to meet or wear their uniforms on church property. The edict also applies to the adjacent St. Timothy School, which enrolls students from preschool to eighth grade.

According to the Arlington Diocese, the pastor did not believe the National Girl Scouts membership to the World Association of Girl Guides & Girl Scouts aligned with the message of the church, stemming from a perceived connection between WAGGGS and Planned Parenthood.

The Girl Scout Council of the Nation's Capital said its parent/national organization is not WAGGGS, but instead Girl Scouts of the USA, which does not have a relationship with Planned Parenthood.


Such self righteous posturing, can not serve the greater good. Just cant.
1990Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 00:46
What makes you think it's just a pose?

Why shouldn't churches have principles they consider righteous? You are suggesting they should be self-wicked?

I suppose you also think right and wrong are only adult matters that children shouldn't have to deal with.

Individual good and 'greater good' are not mutually exclusive by any means. Not if they are genuinely good.
1991Canadian Hack
      ID: 164132618
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 00:52
Churches will be judged on their decisions. Seriously do you think Girl Scouts are bad? Can you support anybody who does? This church's position is a pretty ridiculous position for anybody who doesn't think that inserting a god into the equation can justify bigotry (and that includes everyone here not named Baldwin or Boldwin I think).
1992Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 01:10
Seriously do you think Girl Scouts are bad?

I don't know how anyone can be surprised that a church wouldn't allow a lesbian lifestyle promoting group to indoctrinate young impressionable minds into accepting immoral lifestyles on church property.

I'd be gobsmacked if they accepted it.
1993Canadian Hack
      ID: 164132618
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 01:34
The Girl Scouts are not a lesbian lifestyle promoting group anywhere except in your head and in the least reality based right wing blogs you frequent.

This is your problem Baldwin. You make points that are not reality based and expect other people to accept them at face value.
1994sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 01:38
B? The church in question said nothing of lesbian anything. They alledge that the Girl Scouts parent organization; has ties to PLanned Parenthood. Unfortunately, the organization the church cites, is NOT the parent organization of the Girl Scouts. Ergo, there exists no such tie with Planned Parenthood, and the "REASON" for the dismissal, is patently bogus.

You MIGHT, try reading the associated links. At least then, you could possibly spew relevant bullsh*t.
1995Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 02:34
i wonder if former Girl Scouts Laura Bush, Elizabeth Dole, Pat Nixon, Marilyn Quayle, and yes, even Nancy Reagan are aware they are members of a "lesbian lifestyle promoting group".


1996Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 09:12
They have lesbians serving as role model leaders. Teach that stuff somewhere else.

Yes I was aware the linked issue was support of abortion. Girl scouts as an organization also support and teach favorable attitudes towards abortion, no matter if that linked church group got the reason right or not.

This is why local Girl Scout leaders have to strategize ways of avoiding participation and funding of programs like having Planned Parenthood teach Girl Scouts while still technically remaining compliant with membership in the Girl Scouts.

Yes, I am sure living famous former Girl Scout leaders are aware that lesbians are leaders among Girl Scouts today.

The Boy Scouts passed the test not to allow that, but are under relentless pressure to cave also.

But you all should know this stuff and probably do.
1997Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 09:22
And just why would the Girl Scouts of America (GSA) want or need to create a perceived space between themselves and their parent organization, World Association of Girl Scouts (WAGGGS)?

That sword cuts both ways. Why are these radical feminist pro-abortion forces so eager to conduct their business under cover of church auspices?
1998DWetzel
      ID: 49962710
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 11:55
"Why are these radical feminist pro-abortion forces so eager to conduct their business under cover of church auspices? "

Wait, what?
1999sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 12:23
Why is the church suddenly, so eager to be devisive and exclusionary?

Go preach your vile hatred, somewhere else.
2000DWetzel
      ID: 49962710
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 12:47
How you know you're completely off the ******* rails: when you decide to start referring to local Girl Scout troops as "radical feminist pro-abortion forces".
2001Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 21:27
The GOP primary is off the rails.

Finally, they declare Romney the winner in Iowa prematurely (turns out, Santorum won the state)

Then they announce Romney won Maine despite some votes being "lost."

Finally, Michigan GOP'ers announce that they will break party rules and allocate both at-large delegates to Romney, who comes out of the state with a 16-14 win over Santorum.


It should be noted that the GOP set this calendar up specifically in response to the 2008 Democratic primary in which Obama and Clinton went at it long and hard. The difference is that Obama and Clinton went at it over policy differences, exciting Democrats and leading to high voter registration and interest. This GOP primary is one personal attack after another and GOP voter interest is actually dropping.
2002Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 16:00
Everything you wanted to know about the situation in Maine now that Sen. Snowe has decided not to run again.
2003Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Sun, Mar 04, 2012, 14:15
A summary:

2004Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Sun, Mar 04, 2012, 14:44
Vote Democrat...and all strawmen will lie prostrate at your feet.
2005sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sun, Mar 04, 2012, 15:19
is there a problem with the strawman arguments, all falling flat?
2006Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Sun, Mar 04, 2012, 15:29
Irelevant.
2007DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Sun, Mar 04, 2012, 16:29
lol
2008Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 00:29
Heh.

Definition clarification: It isn't a strawman argument when GOP leaders are actually making these points.
2009Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 10:58
Example:

No one is actually suggesting to replace the constitution with the Bible.
2010boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 11:09
Re 2003: What was the point of that post? If you want to claim you are better than someone or part of the solution then why would you post something that is clearly there to inflame?
2011Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 11:39
I summary of the wacky ideas coming from the GOP these days is helpful so we don't get too far into the weeds, IMO.

The GOP is not only reflexively anti-Obama, but have (now) three very poor presidential candidates. This is, in fact, the "direction of the GOP."
2012Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 11:49
The GOP is not only reflexively anti-Obama

You say that like it's a bad thing.

When are you going to deal with #2009, PD?
2013Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 12:14
No one is actually suggesting to replace the constitution with the Bible.

The point being made is much more subtle than that--kind of surprised you didn't catch it.

You believe than no GOP presidential candidate wants to replace constitutionally-protected acts, rights, or speeches with Biblically-based alternatives? That, when there is a conflict of importance to the speaker, that the Bible should be the operative text in this country?

[Hint: He's the candidate who doesn't believe in personal liberties].
2014biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 16:17
One way to dramatize just how severe our de facto austerity has been is to compare government employment and spending during the Obama-era economic expansion, which began in June 2009, with their tracks during the Reagan-era expansion, which began in November 1982.

Start with government employment (which is mainly at the state and local level, with about half the jobs in education). By this stage in the Reagan recovery, government employment had risen by 3.1 percent; this time around, it’s down by 2.7 percent.

Next, look at government purchases of goods and services (as distinct from transfers to individuals, like unemployment benefits). Adjusted for inflation, by this stage of the Reagan recovery, such purchases had risen by 11.6 percent; this time, they’re down by 2.6 percent.

And the gap persists even when you do include transfers, some of which have stayed high precisely because unemployment is still so high. Adjusted for inflation, Reagan-era spending rose 10.2 percent in the first 10 quarters of recovery, Obama-era spending only 2.6 percent.

Why did government spending rise so much under Reagan, with his small-government rhetoric, while shrinking under the president so many Republicans insist is a secret socialist? In Reagan’s case, it’s partly about the arms race, but mainly about state and local governments doing what they are supposed to do: educate a growing population of children, invest in infrastructure for a growing economy.


Krugman. Calling Reagan a stinkin' Commie again.
2015DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 16:35
(In before "it was those evil Democrats that made Reagan do all the spending", even though Reagan gets sole credit for all the good stuff.)
2016Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 18:34
A) It was an actual recovery, government receipts went up.

B) Speakers of Houses spend money. Presidents don't spend money. They can veto and they spend money in the sense that they cash the checks congress gives them but otherwise...
2017sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 19:03
sooooo, how can you constantlky blast on Obama for HIS spending? Your words, Presidents don't spend money.
2018Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 19:13
Oh, I mainly blame Nancy Pelosi. You missed that fear and loathing?

I also blame Harry Reid.

I also blame the guy who has vetoed all the stuff the Tea Party House of Representatives have sent him.
2019sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 19:58
Tea Party? Oh yeah, those folks who say the millionaires dont have enough yet, so give them more of a break. THOSE folks?
2020sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 21:16
McCain calls for US to bomb Syria

Geo Will says Reps want to bomb Iran, but fear Rush Limbaugh

Trump says Obama will start a war with Itran, to bolster his re-election chances

Has the GOP seen a country, it doesnt WANT to bomb? A war it doesnt WANT to start, even while occusing a Dem of wanting to start the same war they do?
2021Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 04:01
McCain carrying Soros' water there.

I've already pointed out the 'wag the dog' potential in Iran. Which would also be carrying Soros' water.
2022biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 04:41
A) It was an actual recovery, government receipts went up.

That was precisely the point Krugman was making. We would have a lot more recovery if we had a lot less "austerity".


2023bibA
      ID: 4057177
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 08:40
Just to get it straight here B-

If Obama does not bomb Iran, he is weak, and catering to Muslims.

If Obama does bomb Iran, he is weak, and just wagging the dog.
2024Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 09:14
McCain carrying Soros' water there.

I've already pointed out the 'wag the dog' potential in Iran. Which would also be carrying Soros' water.


Please explain how Soros is connected to the possibility of bombing either Syria or Iran. You've provided no links to support your claims, indeed, not a shred of analysis. One can only conclude that the entire post is indicative of Alinsky tactics.
2026boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 15:05
Trump says Obama will start a war with Itran, to bolster his re-election chances

Trump does realize that Obama by the time the election comes around Obama could probably come out and say his birth certificate is fake and he is socialist and still win the presidency? I don't think he needs to start a war to bolster his re-election chances.
2027Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 15:34
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