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0 Subject: Bush's Castro Commission

Posted by: Pancho Villa
- Sustainer [533817] Mon, May 03, 2004, 19:52

Powell makes reccomendations designed to hurt Cubans receiving money from friends and relatives in the US. At least that's what we're led to believe.

Bush "will decide which recommendations will be implemented and when," Boucher said. He refused to provide details of the study.

Another, more contentious, issue the Powell commission dealt with involves remittances that Cuban-Americans send to families and friends on the island.


The current ceiling is $1,200 a year, and a wide divergence of views emerged among commission members whether to cut the legal limit and, if so, by how much, the official said. He said he was uncertain how the differences were resolved.

Bush's decision to ask Powell to report on options for Cuba policy appeared aimed, in part, at persuading Cuban-Americans in Florida to support his re-election bid. Had he not had their support in 2,000, Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) would be president.

After learning of this commission(of which details were not provided) it should come as no shock that more Treasury agents track Castro than Bin Laden.

Forget Syria, Iran, North Korea, the Sudan or even Venezuela. Next Bush target for regime change - Castro. Unless, unexpectedly, a huge Sudanese voting bloc suddenly springs up in a crucial swing state.
1Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Thu, May 06, 2004, 20:33
U.S. Seeks to Subvert Succession in Cuba
WASHINGTON - A presidential commission recommended Thursday that the United States take steps to subvert the planned succession in Cuba under which power would pass from President Fidel Castro (news - web sites) to his younger brother, Raul.

The commission, headed by Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites), said the United States "rejects the continuation of a communist dictatorship" on the island.

The commission recommended measures "to focus pressure and attention on the ruling elite so that a succession by this elite or any one of its individuals is seen as what it would be: an impediment to a democratic and free Cuba."

"We're not waiting for the day of Cuban freedom, we are working for the day of freedom in Cuba," President Bush (news - web sites) told reporters.

The 500-page report was made public after Bush discussed it with commission members at the White House.

A White House fact sheet listed several immediate actions ordered by Bush based on the report. He restricted family visits by Cuban-Americans to once every three years instead of the current one-per-year. He retained the $1,200-a-year limit on dollar transfers that Cuban-American families can send to the island.

He also restricted remittances and and gift parcels to immediate family members. Recipients could not include "certain Cuban officials and Communist Party members."

The authorized per diem amount for a family visit was lowered to $50, compared with $164 now.

It was unclear how these restrictions would be enforced.

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U.S. policy toward the island tends to harden in election years. As examples, penalty-tightening legislation was approved by Congress and signed by presidents in 1992 and 1996.

Some members of Congress have said in recent days that Bush's designation of the Cuban commission and his May 1 deadline for its completion were geared to retaining Cuban-American support for the November elections. Without the support of that constituency in Florida in the 2000 elections, Al Gore (news - web sites) would have been elected.
Official statements by US Department Of State regarding Cuba

So far as I can tell, it appears to have started here:
16 April 2003 Official Criticizes Cuba's Repression of Dissidents
The Cuban government's recent crackdown on dissidents is indicative of
its failure, and the United States must continue to support Cuban
citizens in their efforts toward democracy and a better life, says
Lorne Craner, assistant secretary of state for democracy, human rights
and labor.

In April 16 testimony before a U.S. House of Representatives
International Relations Committee hearing entitled "Castro's Brutal
Crackdown on Dissidents," Craner commented on the Cuban government's
recent arrest of over 100 individuals on spurious treason charges and
the sentencing of 75 of these activists to long prison terms.
This got us more pissed:
29 April 2003 Outraged at Cuba's Election to U.N. Human Rights Commission
Calling Cuba's re-election to the United Nations
(U.N.) Human Rights Commission an "outrage," the United States walked
out of a meeting April 29 of the U.N. Economic and Social Council.

Ambassador Sichan Siv, the U.S. representative to the Economic and
Social Council, said that "the election of Cuba ... is an outrage to
which we object in the strongest terms."

"Simply put, Cuba has the worst human rights record in this
hemisphere," he added. "Its nomination to the Commission on Human
Rights symbolizes the commission's regrettable decline in
international prestige, relevance, and authority."

The Economic and Social Council held elections April 29 for membership
on the 53-nation Commission on Human Rights. Each region presents a
slate of candidates for allotted seats on the commission. The Group of
Latin American and Caribbean countries presented a slate for the
second year in a row that included Cuba. No country in the region
presented itself for Cuba's seat, so the slate was accepted by
acclamation. Others elected with Cuba were Peru, Honduras, the
Dominican Republic, and Guatemala.
April 16th, 2004 U.N. Criticizes Cuba's Treatment of Dissidents, Journalists
The U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a resolution April 15 criticizing Cuba for its imprisonment of political dissidents and journalists and urging the Havana regime to promote the "full development of democratic institutions and civil liberties."

The 53-member Commission meeting in Geneva voted 22 in favor, 21 opposed and 10 abstentions to adopt Resolution L-13 on the Situation of Human Rights in Cuba.

Speaking before the vote, the United States urged other member states to stand with the people of Cuba and support the resolution. Ambassador Richard Williamson, head of the U.S. delegation to the commission, noted that just a year had passed since Cuba carried out a "brutal crackdown on independent journalists, economists, trade unionists, and human rights activists."

The arrests and detentions were "one of the worst acts of political repression against advocates of peaceful change in that country's 24-year dictatorship," he said.

The resolution was introduced by Honduras and co-sponsored by 35 national delegations, including the United States, other commission member states, and some countries that are participating in the commission as observers. Ambassador Benjamín Zapata, Honduras' representative at the commission, noted that the resolution is the first action by the Honduran delegation in its first year as a member of the Commission on Human Rights.
The 53-nation U.N. Human Rights Commission voted 22-21 for a Honduras-proposed resolution that "deplored" Cuba's jailing of 75 dissidents arrested on March 18, 2003.
Moments later, a member of the Cuban delegation attacked an anti-Castro activist outside the meeting, knocking him to the ground after he approached a group of Cubans.

"All of a sudden I passed out," Frank Calzon said in a telephone interview with the Associated Press. He said he was unconscious for a minute or two.

Calzon said he didn't see who struck him. But he said a witness reported to him later that the attacker hit him from behind with clasped hands.

Cuban Ambassador Jorge Mora Godoy, who didn't see the incident, blamed Calzon.

"There was a provocation from Frank Calzon against one woman in the Cuban delegation, and he received the due response from our Cuban delegation," Mora Godoy told the AP.

Cuba said the resolution against it was the work of the United States. Shortly after the vote, the Cuban delegation said it had filed a resolution claiming widespread human rights abuses by the United States against detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base.
Mexico, Peru pull ambassadors from Cuba
HAVANA (AFP) - Cuba did not blink after Mexico and Peru pulled their ambassadors and President Fidel Castro (news - web sites) risked further isolation from Latin Americans who dare condemn the communist island's human rights record.

The Cuban foreign ministry rejected in a statement "this new action against Cuba and announces that these declarations inspired by arrogance, high-handedness, crassness and lies will in time be met with a response."

Both Mexico and Peru recalled their ambassadors Sunday in reaction to Castro's May Day speech Saturday condemning both countries for having voted for an April 15 resolution condemning Cuba before the UN Human Rights Commission in Geneva.

Cuba has been increasingly isolated from Latin America and Europe since the arrests of 75 dissidents who were summarily tried and given harsh sentences a year ago. Mexico and Peru left Cuba further isolated as it contends with US pressure on countries in the region to limit trade and diplomatic ties with Havana.

Mexico, a traditional Cuban ally despite US protests, also ordered Cuba's envoy to Mexico City, Jorge Bolanos, to leave the country, saying Cuban diplomats had been involved in political activities incompatible with their duties.

Tensions had been heating up since Wednesday, when Cuba deported a Mexican businessman of Argentine origin, Carlos Ahumada, wanted in Mexico on corruption charges. Cuba contended that Ahumada's activity was of a strictly political nature, an assertion Ahumada himself denied.

Within hours of Mexico's decision Sunday, Peru attacked Cuban interference in its domestic affairs and withdrew its ambassador without breaking relations.

Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Ernesto Derbez postponed a planned trip to Washington Monday to manage the controversy and meet with US Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites), his deputy, Geronimo Gutierrez, said.

"Mexico and Peru have responded, in my judgment, properly," Powell said of their actions.

2Baldwin
      ID: 5544766
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 00:51
Like this is a bad thing?
3Tree
      ID: 43410619
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 07:12
sure Baldwin, let's go invade Cuba while we're at it. let's just attack every nation who has a different idea of rulership than we do.
4yankeeh8tr
      ID: 22426613
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 07:33
Quick - invoke the Red Menace bogeyman!
5Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 07:42
Well I haven't necessarily called it bad, Baldwin, but I really don't understand it. Since you seem so eager to pick a fight over Bush's Cuba policy, I'll happily oblige you with a devil's advocate position, but I'll admit right off that I don't think I really understand the situation.

In the first place I have to say that I understand tree's position that any international unrest that appears to be spearheaded by this administration does make me somewhat nervous. I most certainly am not happy over the possibility or idea of an exchange of force with Cuba. In spite of what he says, this President is waytoo eager to say he means business and put himself and us into a position where he will have to back up his talk.

Now, what exactly is Bush so onery over? Long term prison sentences for 74 'dissidents' who haven't committed any serious crime and the questionable execution of 3 others (or are those 3 from among the first 74?)? I'm not about to clam that the American penal system is on a level with Cuba (I don't know enough about Cuba to really say) but I am quite certain that thanks to our drug laws, you can find far more than 74 Americans currently serving long term sentences who haven't done anything to deserve having their lives so ruined. I also doubt I'd have to dig very deep to find 3 questionable executions carried out in the United States.

So it seems strange to me that US/Cuba relations would have been mostly unchanged as they had been if not for those 74 detainees. No time to dig up comparative facts and stats now, but I'm pretty sure there are some nations that rank very high on our 'friends' list that have worse human rights records. For example I don't recall any White House outrage over any Saudia Arabia's HR record. Saudi Arabia is also a country that is ruled by a leader that does not have to win a public election to assume or stay in power.

What has Cuba done differently from other dictatorships with poor HR records to deserve this current attention from us?
6Baldwin
      ID: 5544766
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 08:49
What has Cuba done differently from other dictatorships with poor HR records to deserve this current attention from us?

Wrong question. Pressure to act humanely is never out of order.

BTW being regularly dragged out of your cell, tied to a stake, being blindfolded and hearing the preparations for your execution, the orders to load, aim and fire. Hearing the hammers come down. This is more damaging to the psyche than you might imagine. You don't just wipe the sweat off your brow and say, 'Hey I'm still alive, life us sweeter now'. You die a bit each time.

And you can stop looking for American moral equivalents you self-loathing liberals.
7Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 08:54
Pressure to act humanely is never out of order.

Neither is maintaining a moral standard with regard to foreign policy.

And who's looking American moral equivalents, Hate Monger? Very Christian of you in that lovable Crusade sort of way to invent things so that you may have a reason to attack me. Try again, Old Man.
8Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 08:59
I will commend Bush for not implementing the limitations on the funds sent to friends and relatives in Cuba. That would only have hurt Cubans who need the help the most.

One does have to wonder why Bush would prioritize a Cuban confrontation at this time. With all the commotion created in the ME, and the supposed War on Terror, Cuba would seem to be a back-burner issue. Their military poses no threat to the US, and I don't recall seeing any stories about Cuban terrorists creating havoc on our shores. Could it be that Bush's selective agression against Castro has more to do with family ties?

"Bush was working with the now-famous CIA agent, Felix Rodriguez, recruiting right-wing Cuban exiles for the invasion of Cuba. It was Bush's CIA job to organize the Cuban community in Miami for the invasion.... Hopping from Houston to Miami weekly, Bush spent 1960 and '61 recruiting Cubans in Miami for the invasion....

"George Bush claims he never worked for the CIA until he was appointed Director by former Warren Commission director and then president Jerry Ford in 1976. Logic suggests that is highly unlikely. Of course, Bush has a company duty to deny being in the CIA. The CIA is a secret organization. No one ever admits to being a member. The truth is that Bush has been a top CIA official since before the 1961 invasion of Cuba, working with Felix Rodriguez. Bush may deny his actual role in the CIA in 1959, but there are records in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that expose Bush's role..."
9Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 09:01
Btw, I'll continue to keep an open mind about The US' recent actions re Cuba, but I'll tell you being called self-loathing because I 'ask the wrong questions isn't a very good way to win over fence straddlers who admit that they do not understand the relationship between these nations. So Baldwin why don't you put your gauntlets away, stop being a prick and offer me some comprehensive reasons for how I can reeconcile the inconsistancies with which this administration holds other nations to it's foreign human rights standards.
10Baldwin
      ID: 5544766
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 09:26
I'm not about to clam that the American penal system is on a level with Cuba (I don't know enough about Cuba to really say) but I am quite certain that thanks to our drug laws, you can find far more than 74 Americans currently serving long term sentences who haven't done anything to deserve having their lives so ruined. I also doubt I'd have to dig very deep to find 3 questionable executions carried out in the United States.


Despite all your backfilling you still couldn't help yourself from a hunt for moral equivalence and a few claims to have succeeded. I expect we'll hear more of these and I'll call out every single one of them whether they like it or not.

Perhaps I should give you a hug and a medal for expressing doubt as you went off on a moral equivalency hunt? "I'm not about to...oh wait yes I am just a little".
11Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 09:57
Pointing out similarities is not the same thing as establishing moral equivolency. This should be particularly clear when my first sentence clearly states that 1) I don't place America's penal system in the same category and 2) I'm not familiar enough with what goes on in Cuba to make such a judgement. If you think that the similarities I addresses in all of one sentence of a 200 or so word post is all that's worth addressing then so be it.

Since you choose to chide and piss on me rather attempt to accomodate my request for some greater perspective on the issue what's the point with addressing you any further? someone else who sides with or understands the administration's policy toward Cuba will address me more congenially. In the meantime I'll just ignore Baldwin's wasting of mine and the forum's time with pointless and pathetic anti-liberal mocking of my attempt at an objective discussion.
12j o s h
      ID: 36451616
      Fri, May 07, 2004, 11:13
after king george the second decided to conquer iraqi (a few day's prior to being appointed president).in the bush scheme of things, cuba would be prince jeb's land to conquer after he took his rightful place.
13Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, May 10, 2004, 09:34
Bush's Cuba Policy meets some resistance
Cuban President Fidel Castro usually offers an inviting target during U.S. presidential election campaigns. President Bush, accused by some in his party of not doing enough to confront Castro, offered them on Thursday what amounts to a policy of regime change in Cuba.
"We're not waiting for the day of Cuban freedom, we are working for the day of freedom in Cuba," Bush told reporters.

A presidential commission recommended that the United States subvert the planned succession in Cuba under which power would pass from Castro to his younger brother, Raul.

Although Bush did not address that issue directly, an aide said the president generally accepted the commission's proposals.

Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry said Bush was playing election-year politics.

"Four years after candidate Bush came to Florida and promised Cuban-Americans the moon, all they've gotten from this president is lip service and broken promises," Kerry said in a statement.

Kerry pledged that, as president, he would fight full time for freedom and democracy on the island.

Bush has taken some steps to demonstrate his deep disregard for the Cuban leader, who turns 78 in August. But his comments Thursday seemed to add a new dimension to his belligerence.

Cuban-American Republican members of Congress said they were pleased. Five senators, including two Republicans, were not.

"Opening America's doors to Cuba - and challenging Cuba to open its doors to the rest of the world - will be an act of strength and magnanimity," they said in a letter to Bush.

Mexican President Vicente Fox, whom Bush counts as a major hemispheric ally, said in Mexico City that his government considered the proposal an infringement of Cuba's sovereignty.

"Mexico will not back in any way this proposal, which runs counter to Cuba's sovereignty, nor will we accept the interference of any other country there," Fox said.

Cuba and Mexico are themselves involved in a diplomatic spat. Mexico expelled Cuba's ambassador and called its ambassador home from Havana after accusing the Cubans of meddling in Mexico's internal affairs.

The commission, headed by Secretary of State Colin Powell, said the United States "rejects the continuation of a communist dictatorship" on the island.

The commission recommended measures in its report "to focus pressure and attention on the ruling elite so that a succession by this elite or any one of its individuals is seen as what it would be: an impediment to a democratic and free Cuba."

14Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Wed, May 12, 2004, 10:06
Cuba halts sales in U.S. currency
HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- Stores that use the U.S. currency were closed across Havana Tuesday morning after Cuban officials, blaming new U.S. measures meant to undermine President Fidel Castro's government, suddenly halted most of sales in dollars in Cuba.

Many of the shuttered stores displayed identical "closed for inventory" notices.

Scores of agitated people had lined up for last-minute purchases at late-night variety stores after the government announced on state television Monday night that most sales in dollars are "suspended until further notice."

The measure could have dramatic effect on everyday life in Cuba. Local people have come to count on the hard-currency stores that offer plentiful goods -- from soap to spark plugs -- that are available in scant quantities, if at all, at highly subsidized prices in Cuban pesos.

The official announcement Monday said food, gasoline and personal hygiene products would be exempted from the halt in dollar sales.

But it also warned that dollar prices would be raised on food and gasoline -- and perhaps other products if the stores reopen.

Prices in pesos, the government said, would remain stable.

It was not clear if they would resume at some point. The announcement warned Cubans that "days of work and sacrifice await" and said further measures could follow if the new steps are insufficient.

Cuba blamed the measure on "the brutal and cruel" measures adopted last week by U.S. President George W. Bush to strengthen the embargo of Cuba and to hasten the end of the communist government here.

The announcement said the U.S. proposals "are directly aimed at strangling our development and reducing to a minimum the resources in hard currency that are essential for the necessities of food, medical and educational services and other essentials."

Many analysts had seen the Bush measures as a relatively modest tweak to the broad U.S. economic embargo that has been in place against Cuba since the early 1960s.

Bush said Cuban-Americans now can visit relatives on the island once every three years rather than once a year. They can spend $50 a day rather than the earlier limit of $164.

Visits and money transfers are limited to immediate family members -- excluding uncles and cousins -- and officials and Communist Party members cannot receive funds. More money would be allotted for dissidents.

A permanent closure of the dollar stores could be another step back from the liberal reforms enacted in the early 1990s to cope with the loss of aid and trade Cuba had enjoyed with the Soviet Union.

Possession of dollars was legalized in 1993 to draw dollars from growing tourism and family remittances into the state stores. The government has steadily offered more and more goods in the U.S. currency while the Cuban ration book of items available in pesos has withered.

For many Cubans, rations now cover eight eggs, a pound of chicken, a half-liter of cooking oil, six pounds of rice a half-pound of a ground meat-soy mixture and a few other goods each month.

The rest must be purchased at far higher prices either in pesos or in dollars.

Many of those lined up Monday night at shops built into gas stations were buying cooking oil and soap before prices rise. Most expressed frustration at the measures. Some said they blamed Bush. Nearly all declined to give their names and a few physically threatened foreign camera crews.

The announcement did not make clear whether dollar-only shops in hotels and other tourist areas crucial to Cuba's economy would also be closed. Many until now have catered to Cubans as well as to foreigners.

The government assured Cubans that other aspects of the economy would not be affected: they can still change money, buy food in pesos at private farmers markets, enjoy free rent and use the socialist health, education, cultural and sports services.

It was not immediately clear what would happen to the goods now sold at dollar stores.

The dollar-only shops have been associated with social inequalities that have worried Cuban leaders. An elite of people with access to greenbacks can easily buy everyday goods that a doctor cannot on a salary equivalent to US$25 a month.

15Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Sat, May 22, 2004, 09:48
Cubans in Bay of Pigs Regain Citizenship

In April of 1961, Zamora was among 1,500 exiles trained by the CIA (news - web sites) in Guatemala who charged the island. The three-day invasion ended in debacle and more than 1,000 invaders were captured, Zamora among them.


He spent more than 1 1/2 years in a Cuban prison before his release on Christmas Eve 1962.

He says he doesn't agree with the way many things work under Castro, but he resents the United States' meddling in Cuban affairs. He came to the immigration conference, the third of its kind in a decade, to show support for an independent Cuba and make suggestions for change.


The first step, he believes, is to put politics aside and focus on improving the lives or regular Cubans.

Maybe Bush should have had Zamora chair the Cuba Commission in the spirit of cooperation and progress instead of confrontation.
16Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Jun 14, 2004, 11:18
Americans face up to 15 years for organizing boat races from Miami to Cuba.
Key West, FL, Jun. 11 (UPI) -- Two Key West, Fla., residents were arrested and charged with violating the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba for organizing sailboat races to Cuba.

Peter Goldsmith and Michele Geslin could face up to 15 years in prison, The Miami Herald reported Friday.

They are accused of acting as "travel service providers" without a license granted by the U.S. Department of Treasury, which regulates the Cuban embargo.

Goldsmith organized and operated a series of five races between Key West and Cuba from 1997 to 2003.

The case is the first time pleasure boaters have been charged with violating the 42-year-old embargo.

Travel agencies have been prosecuted twice, once in 1988 for bass fishing trips and in 1996 against a southwest Florida travel company.

U.S. Attorney Marcos Daniel Jimenez said the indictment is proof the embargo has teeth. Attorneys for Goldsmith and Geslin called it outrageous and politically motivated in an election year.
17Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Mon, Jun 14, 2004, 11:34
U.S. Attorney Marcos Daniel Jimenez said the indictment is proof the embargo has teeth.

Is that the point? That the law can be enforced strongly? I'm sure apartheid had "teeth" as well.
18Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 20:18
William F. Buckley
Self-Mutilation
Back to Cuba.



In the general political commotion centering on John Edwards, the Fourth of July, and Fallujah, attention strays from matters Cuban, except when a cigar is being probed. Well, what's been going on is one of those Fidel Castro extravaganzas in Havana in which he vows eternal hostility to anything that threatens his dictatorship or loosens the shackles of the dystopia he has presided over longer than Hitler and Stalin combined.

One important irritant is the ruling done by the Department of the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC). It has ordained that Cuban-Americans may not visit their families in Cuba more often than once every three years, that they may not spend more than $50 per day, that they may not stay in Cuba for more than two weeks (this is Uncle Sam talking, not Fidel Castro), and that contributions to Cuban family members must be limited to $1,200 per household per year.

Nobody who keeps political tallies will deny that these initiatives are politically based. This conclusion derives from a general knowledge of the impotence of boycotts, and a particular knowledge of Castro's indomitability. So the pinpricks are not going to derail Castro — will they deliver Florida to Bush? That of course is the idea. If it's anti-Castro, the Cuban-American community is for it, right?

But not all Cuban-Americans will cheer. For one thing, the law is designed to prevent them from doing what some of them would otherwise do. Regulations of the kind promulgated by OFAC have no effect on people who do not plan to visit in Cuba or to send money for Cuban relief. It can be held that the measures affect everyone concerned with a free Cuba — if it could be established in which way they would tilt the Castro scene. If they weakened him, the world would benefit. If they strengthened him, then we would have bad politics bringing on bad days.

Some Cuban-Americans, who no longer have family ties to Cuba (Castro took power 45 years ago), have expressed resentment of those who feel free to travel to Havana. There are Cuban-Americans who believe that any traffic of any kind with Castro weakens the solidarity of U.S. policy.

But such policies haven't brought on reforms. No reform in Cuba is going to be effective except as it brings on the death or retirement of Castro. He is a monument of socialist dogma. In the early 1960s he chided Khrushchev for exhibiting less ideological rectitude than Mao Tse-tung. There isn't anything this side of a volcanic eruption while he is nesting in the volcano's crater that is going to get him to loosen up. The papal visit in 1998, to which so much hope was attached, had no permanent effect. Even the American Library Association simply gave up on a movement to gain liberty for jailed Cuban librarians.

There is a very high cost to Castro's obduracy. But the cost being paid is by Cubans. Over here, it is odd that a government that recognizes the government of Vietnam, and is ready and willing to send aid to Sudan and the Congo, should engage, for spite and politics, in denying to Cuban-Americans the right to gratify their own impulses.

There is resistance to this initiative of OFAC. Congressman Jeff Flake of Arizona has for three years sponsored an amendment (the Flake Amendment) which seeks to forbid the use of federal funds to enforce the United States' anti-travel regulations. He recently succeeded in getting the Senate's endorsement of it. But that is still this side of the horsepower required to write the provisions into law. His own view is that the new OFAC regulations will net damage Republican political interests in November.

The final irony is that Fidel Castro is being permitted, by Americans, to impinge on the freedom of Americans. That, at least, should please Castro, and he can ride about the country proclaiming his success in imposing on the lives of yet more Cubans, who hoped to be living in the land of the free.
19Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 23:37
House Overturns Bush

House Votes to Overturn Bush Rules on Cuba

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The House dealt an election-season setback to President Bush (news - web sites) Wednesday by voting to overturn restrictions his administration has issued on the gift parcels that Americans can send to family members in Cuba.



The 221-194 vote would block new rules that took effect July 1 barring people from shipping clothing, seeds, veterinary medicine and soap-making ingredients to Cubans.


Under the new Commerce Department (news - web sites) rules, no items at all could be shipped to people how are not immediate relatives such as parents, grandchildren or spouses. And nonfood gifts cannot be shipped more than monthly to each household of relatives — down from the current limit of once a month per individual relative.


The administration and its supporters have said the restrictions are aimed at weakening Cuban leader Fidel Castro (news - web sites) and his communist government. Opponents say the rules — like others limiting trade and travel — will do little to hinder Castro, and have accused Bush of politically motivated restrictions aimed at courting Florida's Cuban-American voters.


The only curious thing about this news is that there are 194 members of the House who voted for Bush's tyranical proposals.
20Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 12:45
From the President's remarks at the National Training Conference on Human Trafficking:
The regime in Havana, already one of the worst violators of human rights in the world, is adding to its crimes. The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here's how he bragged about the industry. This is his quote, "Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world." He said that because sex tourism is a vital source of hard currency to keep his corrupt government afloat.
Miami Herald:
WASHINGTON - Like many scholars, Charles Trumbull hoped that one day his work would attract attention in high places. So he might have been thrilled when the White House used one of his papers to draft a speech for President Bush last week.

But he's not.

In a hotel conference room in Tampa on Friday, Bush told law enforcement officials that Cuban President Fidel Castro was brazenly promoting sex tourism.

''The dictator welcomes sex tourism. Here's how he bragged about the industry,'' Bush said. 'This is his quote: `Cuba has the cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world.' ''

Asked about the source for the quote, White House officials later provided a Web link to a 2001 paper written by Trumbull. At the time he wrote the paper, Trumbull was a Dartmouth College undergraduate. Trumbull is now 24 and a law student at Vanderbilt University.

Trumbull acknowledges that the quote, which he did not footnote in the paper, was likely a paraphrase of Castro's comments in 1992, which have been oft-repeated in the past 12 years and seem to have taken on a life of their own.

MISCONSTRUED

But regardless of the exact wording, Trumbull says the president's speech misconstrued the meaning of Castro's words.

''It shows that they didn't read much of the article,'' Trumbull said in a telephone interview.

According to Trumbull, who conducted field research in Cuba, prostitution boomed there after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But beginning around 1996, Cuban authorities began to crack down on the practice. Although it still exists, Trumbull said, it is far less visible.

And Castro was not boasting about Cuba's prostitutes as sex workers when he made the remarks.

'Castro was merely trying to emphasize some of the successes of the revolution by saying, `Even our prostitutes are educated,' '' Trumbull said. ``Castro was trying to defend his revolution against negative publicity. He was in no way bragging about the opportunities for sex tourism on the island.''

On Monday, administration officials acknowledged that they did not have a source for the wording of the president's citation other than Trumbull's paper. A White House spokeswoman defended the inclusion, arguing that it expressed an essential truth about Cuba.

`MORALLY CORRUPT'

''The president's point in citing Castro's quote was to highlight Castro's morally corrupt attitude to human trafficking,'' spokeswoman Claire Buchan said. She pointed to two other instances in which Castro boasted of the education level of Cuba's prostitutes; in neither case was the context a direct promotion of sex tourism.

The speech ''was vetted the same way all the president's speeches are vetted,'' Buchan said, while declining to explain. A State Department official familiar with the matter said the White House contacted the department no more than a day before the speech and asked for material on human trafficking in Cuba. A quick search of the Internet turned up Trumbull's paper; the official said there was inadequate time to find the original source for Castro's quote.

1992 SPEECH

According to a translation by the British Broadcasting Corp., Castro told Cuba's National Assembly in July 1992 the following:

``There are hookers, but prostitution is not allowed in our country . . . There are no women forced to sell themselves to a man, to a foreigner, to a tourist. Those who do so do it on their own, voluntarily . . . We can say that they are highly educated hookers and quite healthy, because we are the country with the lowest number of AIDS cases.''

Trumbull described himself as ''annoyed'' by the use the White House made of his undergraduate research project.

''It is really disheartening to see bits of my research contorted, taken out of context, and used to support conclusions that are contrary to the truth,'' Trumbull said.
21Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 2824911
      Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 10:28
Caleb McCarry appointed "Cuba Transition Co-ordinator"
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has announced the creation of a new post to help "accelerate the demise" of the Castro regime in Cuba.
Caleb McCarry, a veteran Republican Party activist, was appointed as the Cuba transition co-ordinator.

Ms Rice said for 50 years Fidel Castro had condemned Cubans to a "tragic fate of repression and poverty".

Mr Castro accuses the US of funding unrest and vowed that dissidents would never bring down his government.

'Castro's tyranny'

The post was recommended in a 2004 report on Cuba by a commission headed by Ms Rice's predecessor Colin Powell.

The report outlines the steps the US is prepared to take to bring about regime change in Cuba, such as subverting Mr Castro's plans to hand over power to his younger brother.

Introducing Mr McCarry at the State Department in Washington, Ms Rice said the US was working with advocates of democratic change on the island.

"We are working to deny resources to the Castro regime to break its blockade on information and to broadcast the truth about its deplorable treatment of the Cuban people," she said.

She said the aim of the effort was to "accelerate the demise of Castro's tyranny" on the Caribbean island, which he has ruled since 1959.

Earlier this week, in a speech marking the anniversary of the Cuban revolution, Mr Castro accused the US of financing dissidents and false propaganda.

"No other revolutionary process has been able to count on as much consensus and overwhelming support as the Cuban revolution has," he told supporters in Havana.

22Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 12:19
Thanks to Guru for restoring this thread.

A decidedly non-neoconservative position from Charles Krauthammer on Obama's developing Cuba policy:
It was said in the '50's that the way to win the cold war with Russia was to send squadrons of B-52s and drop nylon stockings on the Soviet Union.

We actually won the cold war in a different way. But with Eastern Europe, we won it with openness, the Helsinki process.

So it's arguable which is the most effective. We have had 50 years of an embargo on Cuba, but the grip of the Castros and the army and the party is so strong that it hasn't worked. So I'm agnostic on this.

If Obama wants to try openness, that's good. What he has done now is not a total openness, like Helsinki, but what he has done is to make a gesture, which is to allow some increased commerce and travel, and what he's waiting, appropriately, for is a response, which would mean seeing that the Cubans release some political prisoners.

If he gets a response, I think he ought to make a further gesture, and if, ultimately, it ends up with openness, that's a tact we ought to try. I don't think any of us should have an ideological commitment to a tactic. Whatever works in liberating Cuba, I think we ought to try.
23Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 13:00
Yeah why the hell not. Obviously the embargo has failed.

Wasn't there a stipulation in the deal that ended the Cuban Missile Crisis that we had to promise never to invade Cuba? That might have had something to do with the embargo failing, but the fact of the matter is the embargo failed.
24Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 17:12
Everyone should read post 6 - authored just 2 and-a-half years after 9/11 - for an idea of how the political right's bar has moved on the subject of what constitutes torture.

Sadly, Baldwin is forced to eat the last sentencee of that post today.
25DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 11:14
"Pressure to act humanely is never out of order."

Pure gold.
27Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 11:26
I wasn't talking about his avoiding a question I asked 5 years ago. I was talking about this:
BTW being regularly dragged out of your cell, tied to a stake, being blindfolded and hearing the preparations for your execution, the orders to load, aim and fire. Hearing the hammers come down. This is more damaging to the psyche than you might imagine. You don't just wipe the sweat off your brow and say, 'Hey I'm still alive, life us sweeter now'. You die a bit each time.

And you can stop looking for American moral equivalents you self-loathing liberals.
My point is the comparison between this assessment and the reactions of current rightist zeitgeist (yes, that's right) to the released torture memos.
28DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 11:53
Oh, I know. But I think the irony of that sentence I quoted is equally illuminating.
29Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 12:24
NYT:
It is a stunning change of heart now shared by a wide majority of Cuban-Americans. A poll released Monday by Bendixen & Associates has found that 67 percent of the community now supports the removal of all restrictions for travel to Cuba, an 18-point increase from three years ago, when the same question was asked. Even among older, so-called historic exiles like Mr. Diaz, the survey shows that support for a new approach to Cuba has grown.

“This is across the board,” said Fernand Amandi, an executive vice president at Bendixen, which has been polling Cuban-Americans for more than 25 years. He added, “We’re at the end of a 50-year stalemate period, calling for a new dawn on U.S.-Cuba relations.”

The nationwide telephone survey of 400 adults — the first gauge of Cuban-American opinion since President Obama announced his new policy last week — was conducted April 14-16, and the margin of sampling error is plus or minus five percentage points.

It suggests that Mr. Obama has become a catalyst for openness, accelerating a political shift here that first became visible after the furor in 2000 over whether to send a young Cuban rafter, Elián González, back to his father on the island. Indeed, despite this community’s reputation for loyalty to Republicans, the poll found widespread approval for Mr. Obama: 64 percent supported his new policies on travel and money sent to relatives. An even larger majority, 67 percent, said they had a favorable or somewhat favorable opinion of Mr. Obama, the highest rating among Cuban-Americans for a president in a Bendixen poll since Ronald Reagan in the mid-’80s.

“For the first time since the beginning of Kennedy’s presidency,” Mr. Amandi said, “they are aligning with a Democratic president in his engagement policy with Cuba.”

The poll did not include a breakdown by voter registration, and may not be a predictor of election results. In 2008, Mr. Obama received 47 percent of the Cuban-American vote in Florida, according to an exit poll by Edison/Mitofsky.

But what seems clear, from the poll and more than 20 interviews with Cuban-Americans in South Florida, is that support for the confrontational approach to Cuba of the last 50 years has given way to something far more fluid.
That's too small a sample for me to rely on as accurate but it seems likely enough that that the Cuban American community is ready for a new approach.
30Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 16:17
You'd have to carefully look at the questions to detirmine if this was a push poll, before accepting such an unusual change of heart as real.
31Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 16:18
It's always possible they think that Castro is so close to gone, that a new approach is acceptable.
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