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Subject: Canada Election Thread Posted by: Toral - Sustainer [2111201313] Fri, Jun 04, 2004, 14:42 There is a federal (national) election in Canada June 28. It was called almost two weeks ago, but I know from experience how intense and overheated my Canadian politics threads get, and at that time things were very hot and I didn't think the board could take another bloodheating overly passionate topic, or that Guru's servers could take the massively increased level of posting. Links, comments, and stuff will be posted here. | |||||||
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| 113 | Dr. Doom ID: 430271612 Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 15:20 | It's more like, imagine having your election on Nov. 4 then having McCain attempt to topple the government a month later because the global economic disaster has not been resolved. | ||||||
| 114 | Boldwin ID: 58112185 Mon, Dec 19, 2011, 09:22 | Canada has finally >emerged from it's long dark night. | ||||||
| 115 | Tree ID: 41512710 Mon, Dec 19, 2011, 11:28 |
i'm not even going to bother reading the article, but every Canadian i know is distraught with the current direction of their new government. you can start with mandatory minimums for drug sentences. it didn't work here, and it won't work there. | ||||||
| 116 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 01:44 |
Canada ends long gun registry. Freedom making a comeback in Canada. Conservatives celebrate and liberals froth at the mouth. Glorious. | ||||||
| 117 | Canadian Hack ID: 164132618 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 01:51 |
Baldwin you know nothing of Canada. The strange situation right now is that while ending a long gun registry, the same Conservative government is working to monitor the internet. Strangely guns dont need to be monitored but twitter does. I see that as a bad trade-off. | ||||||
| 118 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 02:00 |
and liberals froth at the mouth And Boldwin claims he has nothing in common with liberals. | ||||||
| 119 | Tree ID: 17039238 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 08:16 |
not to mention Harper's advocacy for failed policies such as mandatory minimums. and i wonder how Baldwin feels about Harper advocating stronger ties to countries such as China. i will definitely defer to CH on this. my brother - a landed immigrant who has lived in BC with his Canadian wife for close to 15 years now - is unbelievably distraught over Stephen Harper's Canada. this is not the message board hand-wringing we see here, but a noticeable change in his personality as he is very concerned about his adopted country. | ||||||
| 120 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 11:30 |
I will say that conservatives in Canada have one foot in the liberal camp compared to conservatives in the USA. Now if they would just move on to safeguard freedom of speech in Canada. | ||||||
| 121 | boikin ID: 532592112 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 16:04 | re 117: These kind of inconsistency drive me insane, I had thought Canada was immune to it. | ||||||
| 122 | Tree ID: 371561716 Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 17:58 |
I had thought Canada was immune to it. they were doing ok, until they elected a Conservative. | ||||||
| 123 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 02:03 |
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| 124 | boikin ID: 532592112 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 13:42 | Canada goes on the offense I am thinking that if they are correct and gas will go to $5 a gallon, the Canadian offensive will be gaining strength. | ||||||
| 125 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 14:16 |
Canada might as well go on the offense, since there's no credible defense against charges that tar sand production isn't enviromentally devastating. A million cubic metres of water is diverted from the Athabasca River to tar sands operations each day. Most of the water ends up as waste in toxic ponds near the river's banks. Nearly a dozen tailings ponds line both sides of the Athabasca River and pose a serious threat to the entire Mackenzie River basin. Many are already leaking and creating their own tainted wetlands. The ponds, which contain a thick mix of water, oil and clay, give off a strong aroma of hydrocarbons and rarely freeze. Fish, birds and other wildlife face death from swimming in or drinking from the ponds. The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers reports that of 25 chemicals found in every tailings pond and studied by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 14 are human carcinogens. link | ||||||
| 126 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 16:19 | Oh no, fish face death from living in artificial ponds which they don't live in. | ||||||
| 127 | sarge33rd ID: 4717718 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 16:29 | ^ notices how our resident fabricator, totally ignores the birds/wildlife part. Also, the 14 of 25 chemicals being human carcinogens part. Must be, because the facts would get in the way of what he wants. | ||||||
| 128 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 16:37 |
There are about a thousand ponds in Canada for every Canadian if not ten thousand. Don't drink from the fracking ponds and you'll do fine. | ||||||
| 129 | Tree ID: 191411422 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 16:53 | You're an idiot if you think that fracking ponds are the only water sources affected by fracking. | ||||||
| 130 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 17:02 |
There are about a thousand ponds in Canada for every Canadian if not ten thousand. Oh, please, regale us with your vast knowledge of Alberta's geography, topography, and associated eco-systems. | ||||||
| 131 | DWetzel ID: 49962710 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 17:13 | Guys, come on. You know that water that's in one pond can never ever go into any other part of the water system, and further, you know that containment ponds never ever leak and always work perfectly, because after all, it's always in the corporation's best interest to maintain those flawlessly and not cut any corners because they know they and they alone will be fully liable for any cleanups and damages. | ||||||
| 132 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 17:32 |
Canada can spare us a few ponds. | ||||||
| 133 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 17:39 |
Baldwin Peninsula, well Alaska, but same difference. Canada will never even notice a couple thousand fracking ponds. They'll never be missed. And whatever biota was nibbling on the oil in the shale, will just start nibbling on it in the ponds, I'll bet. | ||||||
| 134 | Tree ID: 17039238 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 17:56 |
Baldwin Peninsula, well Alaska, but same difference. so, something in the northwestern part of the United States is now the same thing as being in Canada? as the crow flies, the Baldwin Peninsula is closer to Russia, than it is Canada. yet it's the same thing as Canada. lol. | ||||||
| 135 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:00 |
Nice pictures. Of course they have nothing to do with the area in question. it looks like this | ||||||
| 136 | DWetzel ID: 49962710 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:02 | Re: 134 -- can you see it from Sarah Palin's porch? That's all that matters. | ||||||
| 137 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:03 |
It's one big globe circling tundra. You guys are being played. Both the Canadian administration and the USA administration and the Sierra Club know full well that countries don't leave wealth greater than the Saudi oil fields untapped just because of a few snail darters. But before the shale can be mined for great wealth... ...the issue must be plundered by the enviros for all the fundraising they can scare up. Then they let the real gold rush begin. | ||||||
| 138 | Tosh Leader ID: 057721710 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:09 | I'm pretty certain that Baldwin also told us that Louisiana will never notice a couple extra oil wells. link | ||||||
| 139 | DWetzel ID: 49962710 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:11 | Those animals aren't even citizens, dude. | ||||||
| 140 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 18:20 |
And that natural biota went wild cleaning up the place for free. Thank God for Alcanivorax borkumensis and someone go apologize to the gulf oil industry for the hysterical over-reaction. | ||||||
| 141 | sarge33rd ID: 4717718 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 19:42 |
Boldwin, world reknown expert on every topic known to man, and 1/2 dz man has yet to discover even exist.(at least, in his mind he is) You doubt the truth of the above statement? Just skim this POLITICS FORUM for his posts, and try and show me wrong. I dare ya. | ||||||
| 142 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 20:06 | I'm not an expert on whatever language that was. | ||||||
| 143 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Tue, Feb 21, 2012, 20:39 | A statement with which we can all actually agree. | ||||||
| 144 | Tree ID: 17039238 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 00:55 |
You guys are being played. Both the Canadian administration and the USA administration and the Sierra Club know full well that countries don't leave wealth greater than the Saudi oil fields untapped just because of a few snail darters. the only one here being played is you. i mean, i realize you live in the 7th largest city in Illinois, which of course, makes you worldly and wise. my parents have a house in the Catskills. where fracking is being considered. that is the home they plan the retire to. and 20% of it, is my inheritance. unfortunately, because fracking is being considered and will almost certainly poison their water supply, there's a reasonable chance they'll be selling. this isn't left vs. right, although the simple thought of something being non-partisan is lost on you. this is, instead, right vs. wrong, and anything that poisons water supplies, is, almost certainly, wrong. but because you only see things in your warped political spectrum, you can't see the forest for the trees. you are among the simplest of people i've ever encountered, made sadder by you thinking you're among the most intelligent - yet you can't even think for yourself, swayed only by left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative. you don't see what is really there, rather, what you are told to see, and that, is, sad. | ||||||
| 145 | boikin ID: 532592112 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 11:32 |
I thought this was about oil sands? when did it change to fracking? Tree, I am sorry for you I wish you showed that much passion for people of Mississippi delta that are being poisoned by fertilizers up stream, or any of 1000 other poisonings going on, but I guess it is easy to ignore what doesn't effect you directly. | ||||||
| 146 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 11:49 |
I guess it is easy to ignore what doesn't effect you directly. As we see, from most of Boldwin's posts in this thread. | ||||||
| 147 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 12:23 |
Tree Feel free to make the incontrovertable case that fracking destroys aquifers. I haven't seen anyone make the case. Frankly from what evidence I've seen I'd be more easily swayed that Bakken fracking risks rousing the Yellowstone super-volcano than your concern. Enviros have raised too many phony boogeymen for me to be easily swayed by every passing breeze of hysteria. | ||||||
| 148 | boikin ID: 532592112 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 12:53 | I am not sure if fracking is dangerous to environment or not but if I had to choose between fracking in my town and oil pipeline I would choose the oil pipe line. | ||||||
| 149 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 15:59 |
Fracking/aquifer studyResearchers at the University of Texas, however, say they have "found no direct evidence that fracking itself has contaminated groundwater." | ||||||
| 150 | sarge33rd ID: 4717718 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 16:04 | Why was fracking introduced in this disussion? That isnt even the process for extracting shale oil. | ||||||
| 151 | boikin ID: 532592112 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 16:29 | i asked that earlier and got no response so i just joined in on the fracking conversation. | ||||||
| 152 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 16:33 | Tree was afraid he was gonna lose his inheritance due to fracking. Had to show him some mercy. | ||||||
| 153 | Tree ID: 411392215 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 16:48 |
many folks are still confused about Jackson's testimony, because there are countless examples that prove otherwise, going as far back as 1987 and the Parson Well in West Virginia. Clark, Wyoming. Dimock, PA. there are numerous examples. and i have no idea why Baldwin introduced Fracking into the convo, but like just about everything else, he's terribly misguided. | ||||||
| 154 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Wed, Feb 22, 2012, 17:01 |
BTW the Bakken continues up into Saskatchewan and is one of the largest oil fields in Canada and will be exploited by fracking. True the vast majority of Canadian oil reserves are in Alberta oil sands. | ||||||
| 155 | C.SuperFreak ID: 40152219 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 00:58 |
Here's the correct link to PV's article Environmental Concerns about the Tar Sands. and here is the CAPP presentation Alberta's Oil Sands. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. | ||||||
| 156 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 08:44 |
the Bakken continues up into Saskatchewan and is one of the largest oil fields in Canada and will be exploited by fracking. This is an admission that the claim that Agenda 21 proponents always get what they want in their drive to re-wild North America is hysterical nonsense. When farmers and ranchers in the Klamath River basin would face higher power bills due to the possible removal of antiquated dams, it's a case of freedoms being crushed by the evil UN(although not one iota of evidence was presented of UN involvement). But where's the concern for farmers and ranchers in Eastern Montana, North Dakota and Saskathewan whose water supply is threatened through the poisoning effects of fracking? It's one big globe circling tundra. It's hard to differentiate between intentional dishonesty and stunning ignorance sometimes. Regardless, the Alberta tar sands operation are not the tundra. As the Athabasca River flows north from tar sands, it is an essential element in the eco-system that includes Wood Buffalo National Park. The park was established in 1922 to protect the world's largest herd of free roaming Wood Bison, currently estimated at more than 5,000. It is the only known nesting site of whooping cranes. The park contains one of the world's largest fresh water deltas, the Peace-Athabasca Delta, formed by the Peace, Athabasca and Birch Rivers. It is also known for its karst sinkholes in the north-eastern section of the park. Wood Buffalo is located directly north of the Athabasca Oil Sands. This area was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1983 for the biological diversity of the Peace-Athabasca Delta, one of the world's largest freshwater deltas, as well as the population of wild bison. Wood Buffalo National Park contains a large variety of wildlife species, such as moose, wood bison, black bear, wolf, lynx, beaver, brown bear, snowshoe hare, Sandhill Crane, Ruffed Grouse, and the world's northernmost population of Red-sided Garter Snakes, which form famous communal dens within the park. Wood Buffalo Park contains the only natural nesting habitat for the endangered Whooping Crane. Known as Whooping Crane Summer Range, it is classified as a Ramsar site. It was identified through the International Biological Program. The range is a complex of contiguous water bodies, primarily lakes and various wetlands, such as marshes and bogs, but also includes streams and ponds. In 2007 the world's largest beaver dam (about 850 metres (2,790 ft)) was discovered using satellite imagery within the park There is no dispute that the tar sands operation promotes environmental degradation, the question is how to mitigate the damage while preserving the environmental integrity of this unique and diverse slice of Canada. The position that "If enviromentalists are for it, I'm against it; if environmentalists are against it, I'm for it" isn't a conservative position. It doesn't help find solutions that balance the need for oil and other commercial extraction industries against the long-term health of rivers, lakes, forests, and wildlife. | ||||||
| 157 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 09:08 |
Here's the kind of progress that can be accomplished when radicals like Boldwin are taken out of the equation. BLM sells oil leases in SE Utah The U.S. Bureau of Land Management sold 13 oil and gas leases this week without protest. The leases comprised 12,195 acres in the southeastern Utah Canyon Country District. The sales netted $523,000 and had support from officials in Grand and San Juan counties. Although some nonprofit groups submitted comments questioning air and groundwater protections for the likely development, they did not lodge protests. Moab-based Living Rivers thanked the agency for reducing the sale acreage to protect areas around Arches National Park, and the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance called the sale validation of the BLM’s current “win-win” approach to energy development and conservation. “Energy development is moving forward while we continue to protect the great treasures of Grand County,” County Councilwoman Audrey Graham said in a written statement. | ||||||
| 158 | Boldwin ID: 49030519 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 10:29 |
The range is a complex of contiguous water bodies What I said and illustrated with pictures...wall to wall lakes. One more holding pond is no...big...deal. | ||||||
| 159 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 11:00 |
What I said and illustrated with pictures What I said - intentionally dishonest or stunningly ignorant? | ||||||
| 160 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 11:34 | Can I pick "both"? | ||||||
| 161 | Tree ID: 241112311 Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 12:13 |
well, not to mention that if you poison one pond in a string of contiguous ponds, you're poisoning the other ponds as well. Schopenhauer's Law of Entropy at work here... | ||||||
| 162 | Seattle Zen ID: 301361318 Tue, Oct 20, 2015, 18:39 |
Congratulations, Canada, your long national nightmare is over. Justin Trudeau, Liberals win clear majority in Canada elections | ||||||
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