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Subject: Rush Limbaugh stopped at airport--possible drugs?
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [41548267] Mon, Jun 26, 2006, 21:13
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| 56 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 16:27
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I have never heard him call himeslf a Christian that I can remember. If he is he doesn't wear it on his sleeve. If he was he shouldn't be hiding it and he should be living up to it.
Obviously he isn't unhappy with the confluence of Christian religious social values and conservative social values.
[Of course there is no such thing as a neocon/religious social value as neocons aren't either traditional conservatives or faithful christians. They may however firmly and genuinely hold conservative social values for whatever reason, not that you would know or could trust the reason.]
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| 57 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 16:31
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MITH
Thot liberals wanted government out of our sex lives, not phoning the media with the juicy details.
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| 58 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 16:42
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MITH #33, #53
When the intern or mistress turns up dead then it demands answers, see Ted Kennedy, Gary Condit, Joe Scarburough, Bill Clinton, etc.
Or when those around them are being threatened and/or murdered to keep them scared and silent, see Bill Clinton.
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| 59 | sarge33rd
ID: 75591913
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 18:15
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was 57 a response to 28, or a feeble attempt at deflection?
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| 60 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 20:06
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I thot it answered 28 just fine.
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| 61 | sarge33rd
ID: 75591913
Sun, Jul 02, 2006, 20:55
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there ya go thinking again when you aint used to it.
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| 62 | Mith
ID: 4662737
Mon, Jul 03, 2006, 09:08
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Nerve
I think your points would all be valid, if the drug in his possession was a drug that "gets you high". Pain killers, downers, methamphetamines etc.
You clearly miss my point (or extend it beyond its intention) as I believe you might with some of the other posts in this thread.
Whether I agree with the policy of detaining someone in a case like Rush's is irrelevant. My point is that there was no special treatment for Rush, that any known drug abuser and doctor shopper would have been subjected to a 3 hour detention.
As for my position on whether it was right to detain anyone in such a case, I'm pretty much with you. We don't know exactly why he was detained. If it was so that police could make sure that what was in the bottle was in fact Viagra and not OC or some other controlled substance maed to look like Viagra, then no, I don't take much issue, like you. And if of course they were sure enough that what was in the bottle was Viagra, then, like you, I do think the policies that law enforcement acted on might be overly authoritarian.
But again, all of my previous posts have been in response to B's ridiculous contention that Rush was treated more harshly than he would have been if he was not Rush (specifically, not a conservative). I'm sure you understand the difference.
Baldwin
Thot liberals wanted government out of our sex lives, not phoning the media with the juicy details.
There's your stupid broad brush again. Not really worth responding to since you have fled to this straw man many times before but since you're sliping and forgetful I'll remind you that the first priority of mainstream media, be it liberal or conservative, is always to get ratings/sell papers. Adhering to political idiology will always come 2nd. Remember Clinton/Lewinski. Again.
When the intern or mistress turns up dead then it demands answers, see Ted Kennedy, Gary Condit, Joe Scarburough, Bill Clinton, etc.
You are forgetful. No one turned up dead. Levy was simply missing (as I said above). At the time that Condit was being villified, no known crime had even been committed and besides the liklihood (confirmation came after the media blowup) that Levy was his mistress, there was simply nothing to connect him to her disappearance. Levy's body was not found until a year after she turned up missing - long after 9/11 had pulled the media's attention away from the Condit story.
Re post 28, I asked you when "these particular liberals" (seems clear now you mean liberal mainstream media - should have know but you never can be sure with you). That means I've challenged your contention and that I'm looking for an example for you to support it with. You instead deflected with post 57 (not an example but a flimsy straw man) and then made a failed poor attempt in post 58. But we know that B believes that every unfounded third-rate tabloid rumor he has ever read about Bill Clinton is the Gospel truth so arguing the issue isn't worth the time. I've already spent too much time addressing him here.
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| 63 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Mon, Jul 03, 2006, 17:39
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No one turned up dead
There you go painting with that broad brush. Actually some of those girls turned up dead.
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| 64 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 374522815
Mon, Jul 03, 2006, 17:54
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Actually some of those girls turned up dead.
My reference was very specific, the opposite of broad.
But if your post 58 wan't a reply to my Condit/Limbaugh analogy, then clearly you have no response to it.
I'll rephrase since you have this tendency to allow my points to get lost in your ever-shifting arguments: if Limbaugh was treated so harshly for those 2 or 3 days because he is a conservative, how do you explain what the media did to Gary Condit?
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| 65 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Tue, Jul 04, 2006, 05:53
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The Condit situation stunk to high heaven and still does. It is still a monumental scandal that has never been explained. It is the media's job to explain exactly that level of scandal. Fresh on the heels of Monica Lewinski and the starbuck's massacre I think they had every obligation to shine the spotlight on that. You think that because they didn't have a body yet, that they had no story???
You want to conflate that story with a bottle of viagra?
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| 66 | bibA
Sustainer
ID: 261028117
Tue, Jul 04, 2006, 17:48
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I could have swore that the intern's body was found near her condo in D.C. If memory serves me correct, it wasn't far from some mansion she had researched on her lap top, and that the authorities were satisfied that Condit was not involved. This stuff (a liberal no longer being a suspect) is not covered extensively in the main stream media- see Fox News- so this may explain Baldwin missing it.
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| 67 | sarge33rd
ID: 575352217
Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 17:30
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No charges for Limbaugh over Viagra
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Rush Limbaugh will not face charges in Palm Beach County for the bottle of Viagra found in his luggage that appeared to have been prescribed to someone else, prosecutors said Wednesday.
damned liberals, letting him off easy. [/sarcasm]
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| 68 | Boldwin
ID: 49626249
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 07:13
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I try, I try to leave but you guys let me down. Why you ask? Without me here exceptional features go unnoticed. Did no one notice the Taepo-Dong that only rose for 42 seconds and then exploded prematurely?
Tsk tsk, without me around who will keep this place up? Without that spark I seem to provide things seem to flag. Oh, I'm not saying readership will experience total shrinkage without me here. But something large will be missing.
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| 69 | sarge33rd
ID: 575352217
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 10:28
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But something large will be missing.
Quite true. One of only 2, (yours and Rush Limbaughs), known e-g-o-s larger than my own. :)
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| 73 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:20
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Why did somebody bump this thread and then delete their post???
Is there a point?
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| 74 | Perm Dude
ID: 283248
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:22
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Might have been a spam deletion.
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| 75 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 22:30
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what a scumbag of a human being, not to mention being really creepy.
Limbaugh calls contraception advocate a slut and insists she post videos of her sexual experiences online.
wow.
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| 76 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 22:41
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I see, it isn't low of her to ask me to pay for her sex without consequences.
Now I gotta pony up for her jimmy hats and I don't even get a receipt.
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| 77 | sarge33rd
ID: 4717718
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 23:16
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What is low, is that we are continuously forced to endure your arrogant ignorance.
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| 78 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 23:21
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Alright, how much cash do you need for condoms to shut you up?
*wearily pulls out wallet*
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| 79 | sarge33rd
ID: 4717718
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 23:25
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Yep, you're a worthless PoS.
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| 80 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 23:38
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But I thot liberals considered personal requests for publicly funded condoms a perfectly respectable request?
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| 81 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 08:50
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You think a lot of stupid things.
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| 82 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 09:11
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Did you bring up condoms because you thought that was what she was asking for?
And Rush is scum for drawing that conclusion.
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| 83 | Tree
ID: 1922229
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 10:30
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what makes a woman a slut, exactly? is there a measuring stick? is it the number of times she has sex? how many people she has sex with? at once? over her life time?
and what about a man? can he be a slut? should he stop using condoms to help spread disease and unwanted children?
there mere concept that it is ok to call a woman a "slut" in such an offensive manner, is just ridiculous. if personal insults for someone speaking their mind about a position is becoming more and more entrenched in the Radical right's idealogy, then the Republican party would be best served to dump their asses in the ocean, like used tea leaves.
as the far Right gets uglier and uglier, the moderate right gets more and more turned off. i wonder if they're going so far that they're not also eliminating themselves from contention in 2016 and beyond.
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| 84 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 10:37
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Pretty ugly stuff. And facts be damned. She isn't asking Rush to pay for her insurance. She's asking for her insurance to cover the drugs.
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| 85 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 10:58
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And facts be damned.
Technically when you ask your insurance to pay for something you are asking everyone who pays for insurance from that company to pay for it....while that does not necessarily mean she is asking Rush to pay it is asking others to pay.
This whole issue ignores tons of other stuff that insurance companies don't pay for that cost individuals more out of pocket costs.
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| 86 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 11:31
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Technically you are correct. Which is why technically Rush is wrong.
Insurance companies which cover Cialis but don't cover oral contraceptives for polycystic ovarian syndrome (for instance) because people are worried those women might be having sex reveal a real shortcoming in the health care marketplace.
And a terrible fixation with sex.
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| 87 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 12:13
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I didn't read the article or look into what Limbaugh said beyond the headlines I saw on the web, so maybe I misunderstand the issue. But isn't Rush well known for promiscuous and what most religious faithful would regard as immoral behavior? I don't know that he hasn't fathered numerous children in high-end hedonistic vacation resorts around the globe and doesn't have to regularly be treated for STDs. But assuming he hasn't and doesn't, surely contraception methods are something that are a part of his lifestyle. And of course it's hard to take seriously Rush's attempt to so demean another person with a term which seems to so aptly apply to him.
And we all know how Boldwin would react to liberal commentary defending a particular morality that is openly flouted by the source of the commentary. But it's been clear for years now that B has no game here if he doesn't allow himself to frequently defend or resort to such obvious hypocrisy. One of the things that has always amused me about this forum is that it's most active member always demands that debates occur on his terms - until a particular topic he is compelled to argue doesn't work on his terms and then he will happily have it on the terms he had previously derided.
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| 88 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 17:16
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Rre: 86
How many religiously affiliated organizations don't cover birth control at all? I can only speak for the one that I work for, but it does cover birth control if a doctor prescribes it for a medical condition. They will not cover it, if it is for only contraception prevention.
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| 89 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Mar 02, 2012, 17:22
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Like a lot of things having to do with insurance, it is hit or miss.
Here's a list (pdf) of Catholic affiliated institutions and their contraceptive policies. The one closest to me (University of Scranton) is the one that should be the bare minimum coverage, IMO. Contraceptives are covered, if medically necessary, for anything except birth control.
The Obama Compromise (don't know if that the official name, but there you go) essentially pulls contraceptive coverage outside of the insurance plans entirely, to allow those who want the covered to get it without having to go through their plans.
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| 90 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 04:54
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But isn't Rush well known for promiscuous and what most religious faithful would regard as immoral behavior?
Not to my knowledge. Perhaps you are drawing more from the number of times that he has been divorced than the facts allow.
That he has been divorced and more than once generally draws raised eyebrows among the social conservative set.
Given that he is a work-o-holic for whom his marriage will always play second fiddle...
Given that a man with his wealth fosters the sort of gold-digging 'I can be rich and try the next hotness' behavior that dogs the rich and famous now days in this litigious selfish age, it isn't clear he's to blame at all really. Could just be the dames.
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Stop planting baseless mental images of a string on bastards and tropical orgies for which you have not a scintilla of evidence.
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Rush isn't anti-contraception at all.
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Rush is against mislabeling communism as insurance and 'taking from those with the means and giving to those with the need'. Contraception isn't some kind of unforseeable and unbearable expense for which one buys insurance.
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It's always worn me out the number of times liberals on this forum just slink away defeated and refusing to acknowledge their defeat.
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You may think the comparison of Newt and Clinton is fair. I imagine that is your favorite example. I don't need him to be a saint. I don't need him to have never been dogged by lynch mobs of partisans.
I do need him not to be a serial rapist and sexual harrasser. I do need him not to commit perjury to a federal grand jury. I do need him not to leave a trail of dead bodies of fund raisers and supporters who knew too much, rape victims who knew too much, reporters who knew too much, RTA investigators who knew too much, former bodyguard/hitmen who knew too much, fellow drug users and bagmen etc etc. I do need him not to be caught with a list he prepared of the 35 scandals he has committed. I do need him not to create a computer room in the WH full of illegal FBI files. I do need him not to have been involved in insurance, banking and real estate fraud complete with fires to coverup the evidence. I do need him to obey the laws on producing subpoenaed evidence to congress and otherwise complying with his constitutional oath.
I won't have this double standard of you expecting me to only recognize the accomplishments of perfect humans and you to get away with supporting flagrant anti-american criminals just because you are consistent and not hypocritical in your support of flagrant anti-american criminals because you never had any standards to begin with.
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| 91 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 09:18
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lol
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| 92 | Mith
ID: 50151411
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 12:23
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The Rush Limbaugh sex trourism rumors have been around for years and to my knowledge have only been fueled by Limbaugh, himself, including on-air boasts about wild vacations that he can't tell you about. The viagra arrest following a trip to the Dominican Republic wouldn't have helped a case that he never engaged in any such activity - but I've never heard of him denying it. My guess is that he's been to more than a few high-end hedonistic resorts in his day, especially in his heavily drug-fueled years of the previous decade. But if you're telling me that breaking multiple laws over a number of years to support a prescription drug habit doesn't qualify as immoral behavior...
I won't have this double standard of you expecting me to only recognize blah blah blah
LOL it's YOUR standard!
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| 93 | Mith
ID: 50151411
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 12:30
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I haven't read through this debate extensively but there's a part of it that I don't see addressed and don't understand why. Birth control pills do a lot more for women than prevent pregnancies. Cycle regulation and ease of the severe pain and physical sickness are surely legitimate medical uses which even the troglodyte mysogynists who reject contraception as a form of healthcare couldn't deny.
Why haven't I seen that point driven home?
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| 94 | Tree
ID: 17248312
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 13:52
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Why haven't I seen that point driven home?
honestly, i think it's the lack of women posters here. in other forums - from message boards to Facebook - it's women tending to bring up that point.
apparently, the rest of us are stuck at being aghast at Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a "slut" and insisting she post sex videos of herself, and even more aghast at the number of people who are supporting his outrageousness.
but i have seen the other reasons argued extensively. unfortunately, the anti-woman crowd appears to be unwilling to accept those arguments either.
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| 95 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 16:15
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There is something seriously amiss if this girl can't even get the guy to pony up for the price of the contraception.
None of you can honestly believe that. This is an organized Obamacare counterattack in the election between repealers and Obama socialists. This is just a set piece in an orchestrated attack on Catholics which began last week and she volunteered to be the new 'Cindy Sheehan', '9/11 widows' sympathetic [to liberals] victim representative against whom the right dare not breathe a word.
And you all know the game being played.
We're done having that trick played against us effectively. We're playing hardball now days and she can just put on the catcher's mask if she insists on playing. And she can provide it too.
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| 96 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 16:16
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lol
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| 97 | Mith
ID: 37838313
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 16:20
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Perhaps Boldwin would like to take a stab at post 93?
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| 98 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 16:43
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Well let's take a look.
The Washington Times reported Friday, and because of the increase in breast cancer risk, women are 200 times more likely to die from aborting their first pregnancy than from carrying the fetus to term.
But that apparently is not medically relevant to the argument.
Let's see if MITH has some truly relevant numbers. The ball is in his court. Produce.
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| 99 | Mith
ID: 37838313
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 17:09
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?
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| 100 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 17:24
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maybe he can't see post 93, because 98 didn't respond to it...or...well..any other post.
in fact, what the heck does abortion have to do with birth control pills and condoms?
oh, wait. never mind. if there was easier access to those things, less women might go the abortion route.
anyway. post 93. good post MITH.
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| 101 | Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 17:28
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Questions.
Does your car insurance cover windshield wipers?
Spark plugs?
Air fresheners?
Fuzzy ball dice?
Floor mats?
You don't buy insurance to cover small incidentals.
You know why, don't you?
Because it would immediately lead to unnecessary gargantuan insurance bills.
You don't buy insurance for that.
So MITH...show me why the medical benefits of the pill are so pressing that women can't come up with their own contraception but I have to.
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| 102 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 17:45
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Car insurance also doesn't cover the engine giving out. This is why comparing car insurance to health insurance is just incredibly retarded, even for you.
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| 103 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 18:02
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Limbaugh apologizes.
as for the health benefits of the pill, i'll leave that to MITH, since you challenged him. i'm sure he's licking his chops at this one.
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| 104 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 18:24
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Endometriosis and polycystic ovary syndrome would be two things to Google and read for like five minutes on, if you actually care about this stuff. Birth control pills are commonly used in the treatment of both of those conditions, and their use greatly decreases the risk of uterine cancer in those cases.
You can call that fuzzy dice on someone's dashboard if you want to, but it would make you even more misinformed than usual (if that's possible).
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| 105 | Mith
ID: 37838313
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 19:17
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Add simple menstrual cramping, which for some women in my family is literally debilitating for up to three days, and can be considerably eased by the pill.
Yes there are numerous medical benefits beyond contraception. I have a hard time believing this isn't common knowledge.
Was post 98 intended for another thread? Did Boldwin intend to address someone else there?
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| 106 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 19:30
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#101
I have previously agreed with the premise that birth control should be a personal choice and, in almost all cases, paid separately from insurance premiums where all policies are affected. Same with Viagra.
But this is a Rush Limbaugh thread, and the focus should be on Limbaugh's comments. I may agree with the premise as stated above, but I fully support Sandra Fluke being allowed to comment before Congress, which was denied her, and support the media allowing her to publicly state her case, a case which was denied her(and all other women) during congressional testimony.
How sad has our society become when exercising one's 1st amendment right to free speech is met with such vitriol, especially when her persona was so non-combative. Fluke never mentioned Limbaugh in her media appearance. This was no mano a mano confrontation. This is simply another case of a so-called conservative making a mockery of conservatism. After seeing advertisers flee and even being called absurd by Rick Santorum, Limbaugh, probably realizing his long term meal ticket might actually be slipping away, publicly apologizes.
Mock Republicans are the same as some gays, blacks and other minoritites. Theye're constantly telling us how they don't get a fair shake, how they're discriminated against because of their political views, sexual preference, skin color or religion.
While that certainly applies in some cases, more often an individual meets resistance because they're rude, obnoxious, annoying and disrespectful. Of course, persons of any political persuasion, sexual preference, skin color or religion can be rude, obnoxious, annoying and disrespectful, but in this case mock conservatives like Limbaugh need to ask themselves:
"Do people assail me because I'm a conservative, or do they assail me because I'm rude, obnoxious, annoying and disrespectful?"
2/29/12 - "What does it say about the college coed Susan Fluke [sic], who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex? What does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex
3/1/12 - "having so much sex, it's amazing she can still walk. So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it, and I'll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."
3/2/12 - Fluke has boyfriends "lined up around the block."
3/3/12 - "For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke....My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices."
So, what would a personal attack look like?
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| 107 | sarge33rd
ID: 4717718
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 19:55
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Extremely well stated PV.
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| 108 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 16:30
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Rush finds common cause with Ice-T, then insults him.
The man just can't help himself.
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