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Subject: A conspiracy theory, I DO believe in... Posted by: sarge33rd - [99331714] Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 11:47 NASA to "search" for and release docs from a 1965 incident Given the enormity of "space", and the virtually incalculable number of solar systems/stars and thus planets which would be "out there", I find it almost impossible that our planet is the only one which hosts an "intelligent" life form. Given that premise, I have no doubts but that some of those other inhabited systems, would have begun their development 1,000+ Earth years before ours did. Given then, the technological advancements we have seen in the past 1,000 years, I see no reason to rationally discount the possibility of interstellar travel by older civilization(s). The question then becomes...why would our government keep evidence of this, from the general population. One answer, would be their inability to "defend" against it, should this other civilization chose to attack us. In that scenario, we would obviously lack the techno edge to mount a meaningful defense. Another answer, could be, that it could "undermine" the existing predominant religious views, causing more than a little consternation and discomfort within the populace. Both answers, would essentially boil down to "fear" on the governments part, of the reaction of the general population. I'll grant that a population in panic mode, would be disastrous for any government. So my question then is....Are we "ready" as a society, for such a revelation? | |||||||
| 1 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 12:41 |
I avoid the "alien conspiracy theories" at all costs. I prefer to stay grounded in mundane concepts like intelligent men using hidden and under handed methods for their own personal gain. Once you start mixing in the "aliens" it just adds to the "wacky" tag. Just to play your game though, not that I believe any of it, this is just science fiction fun, other possibilities could be... 1) We are working with them. 2) Aliens started the human race through genetics or inbreeding with apes. 3) They are here among us now and using sophisticated plastic surgery to disguise themselves. 4) They did crash here, in New Mexico, we have the bodies and have started cloning them. 5) The whole thing is a trojan horse and is being used to distract us and make the real conspiracy theories seem mundane. 6) It's mixed in with "real world conspiracy theory" to make anyone who doesn't believe the government hook line and sinker look like a nut. It's close to halloween...who else can come up with some other wacky ideas? | ||||||
| 2 | Mötley Crüe Dude ID: 439372011 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 13:08 |
I don't see anything wacky about what sarge proposed in his first paragraph. It actually makes quite a lot of sense. I'd be willing to buy that aliens exist and that they've visited Earth or are here now over some of the nonsense I've heard labeled as 'conspiracy theories'. I don't believe alien abduction stories in general. It's too easy to claim things without evidence and lay that at the hands of super intelligent beings. | ||||||
| 3 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 13:36 |
Shirley McClain claims in her book that Dennis Kucinich has seen a UFO. Kucinich, she writes on page143-144 of the book, "had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind." | ||||||
| 4 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 14:48 |
There's a big problem with all the "claims" of UFO's. No doubt there are people seeing what we watched in movies as extra terrestrial crafts. Here's the problem, and this is no longer theory. The US government is building and testing craft in area 51. This isn't conspiracy. This isn't crazy theories. It's happening. There have been tour guides who have taken people out to watch them fly. They look very much like the "fictional" UFO's. There has been articles about it in "Popular Science" magazine dating back to the 80's. So the US government has advance flight technology they have no intention of disclosing for the time being. If you were to see one of these flying through your neighborhood, you would think it was an alien craft. The stealth airplane which wasn't used and confirmed until the first Gulf war, dates back to the 70's. This technology has existed since at least the late 80's (When the tours were taking place} before the government shut down the area of land people were driving to. So yeah, people are seeing strange aircraft. How do we know it's not "ours"? | ||||||
| 5 | holt ID: 129202215 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 14:55 | Believing in life out there is one thing. Believing that life out there is capable of transporting itself from one star to another without dying in the process is another. There could be civilizations that reached our level of technology 20 million years ago, but 20 million years may not even be enough time to develop interstellar travel. I mean we haven't even detected unmanned alien probes. It's not a foregone conclusion that manned interstellar travel is even possible. Conditions required for life arising on a planet may also be much more rare than some propose. I realize that there are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on the earth, but that doesn't necessarily mean that intelligent life is common. | ||||||
| 6 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:00 |
Yeah my whole problem with the "theory" is "where are the photos"? Where are the video tapes? Everyone has a digital camera now a days. why isn't there solid visual evidence if this is happening? All the photos have been CRAP. As the old Wendy's commercial said...show me the beef. | ||||||
| 7 | holt ID: 129202215 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:07 |
It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value. - Arthur C. Clarke I think it was also Clarke who said something like "There are two possibilities. Either we are alone in the Universe, or we are not. The thought of either is quite staggering". close enough | ||||||
| 8 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:12 |
I really like holt's post #5 as an answer to Sarge's initial post. Sarge, for someone with such a healthy, intellectual sense of skepticism, I am really surprised you buy the UFO conspiracy. As someone who has spent time working for the Federal government, do you really believe they are capable of keeping such a SHOCKING truth from leaking? You just seem far more Missourian to me. | ||||||
| 9 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:19 |
1,000 years ago on Earth...the year 1007. 485 years yet, until Columbus would cross the Atlantic and mistakenly think he found another route to India. (A time consuming journey frought with danger, disease and death.) The English Longbow, was still 300 years shy of being one of the most formidable weapons known. Look at the medical/scientific advancement we have made in the past 1,000 years. Compare then over the past 100 years, and it shouldnt be terribly difficult to imagine that within another 1,000 (assuming we dont obliterate ourselves in the interim), we would develop the ability to travel the stars. Such technology, would have to inlcude obviously a means of propulsion/navigation, but also "suspended animation" in one form or another. (That, or absolute proof of Einsteins Theory of Relativity perhaps.) IMHO, it isnt so far fetched to assume, that if one had the levels of tech necessary for interstellar travel, they could keep themselves hidden from a civilization which had only developed radar in the previous 65 or so years. | ||||||
| 10 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:21 |
do you really believe they are capable of keeping such a SHOCKING truth from leaking? Please dont take this as an endorsement of theories about space aliens on Earth but there is no shortage of such alleged "leaks". | ||||||
| 11 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:25 |
it shouldnt be terribly difficult to imagine that within another 1,000 [years]... we would develop the ability to travel the stars. Sure it's easy (and of course fun) to imagine. But I'm with Holt in post 5. Agnostic but not holding my breath. | ||||||
| 12 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:26 | to be blunt Zen...the theory of Christ as an alien life form, is more easily believed, than in the theory that he was born via immaculate conception, and is the "son of God". IOW, nothing Christ is credited in the Bible with having accomplished, couldnt be explained via technology. As for the bodies disappearance from the cave? "Beam him up Scotty". | ||||||
| 13 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 15:46 |
Re: post 12 Yes, Sarge, and you don't buy that. Why this? but there is no shortage of such alleged "leaks". Sure, perhaps I should have said, "blown the cover off by exposing the proof", not a "leak". | ||||||
| 14 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 16:48 | I guess I buy this, by visrtue that there are just IMHO, too many other stars out there, and thus too many other planets, for me to accept that of ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them, this one and this one alone, is inhabited by a species capable (sometimes) of logical thought and technological advancement. | ||||||
| 15 | weykool Leader ID: 41750315 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 17:14 |
Nerveclinic left out #7. We are nothing more than Cows/sheep/chickens to these aliens. Just like we take the milk/wool/eggs from our "animals" they are using us to produce greenhouse gases to be used on their homeworld. Once we have produced enough gases they will send ships to our planet and transport it back to theirs. We need to start to do something now about preparing for global cooling and the coming ice age. | ||||||
| 16 | Mötley Crüe Dude ID: 439372011 Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 21:39 |
Alien wife: Honey, can you stop by Earth on the way home tonight and fill up the car with gas? Alien husband: Sure, pookie. Do we need a half gallon of milk while I'm there? | ||||||
| 17 | biliruben ID: 59551120 Tue, May 21, 2013, 09:37 |
Why so many people believe in conspiracy theories. 63% believe in conspiracy theories. Who's the sheep? | ||||||
| 18 | Tree ID: 59451219 Tue, May 21, 2013, 10:52 |
Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness. this was the takeaway for me. i've long felt that people who rely on conspiracy theories and religion were similar in that people use them to explain what, to them, is inexplicable. Before we got a basic understanding of science and nature, God was used to explain what man didn't understand. i believe conspiracy theorists work in much the same way, but towards less natural events - such as bombings, shootings, lunar landings, and so forth. Believing in a conspiracy allows that person to better grasp what they otherwise can't wrap their head around. instead of going with the "well, sometimes, we can't explain something" motif, they need a conspiracy theory because they need an answer. | ||||||
| 19 | holt ID: 1414114 Tue, May 21, 2013, 12:56 |
There's nothing wrong with keeping an open mind about things. I'm sure there are plenty of "conspiracy theories" that turned out to be true. A quick google search turns up a lot of lists of these. Here's one example (just skimming through it, looks interesting. not vouching for its accuracy): 33 Conspiracy Theories | ||||||
| 20 | Boldwin ID: 164192113 Tue, May 21, 2013, 19:40 |
Orson Welles --- "Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste." - people like Orson Welles | ||||||
| 21 | Boldwin ID: 164192113 Tue, May 21, 2013, 19:44 | Trial Balloon - wiki | ||||||
| 22 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Tue, May 21, 2013, 20:42 | Alex Jones: Government "may not" have caused the OK tornadoes. | ||||||
| 23 | Boldwin ID: 384162217 Thu, May 23, 2013, 11:01 |
Made me look at the original Black Panthers in a whole new favorable light: | ||||||
| 24 | Boldwin ID: 434372312 Thu, May 23, 2013, 22:33 |
It is what it is. Raw police radio feed. | ||||||
| 25 | beastiemiked ID: 53512921 Thu, May 23, 2013, 23:17 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox Very good read if you have a lot of time to waste. Love some of the theories. My completely unexpert opinion is there is intelligent life elsewhere. My guess is they are super advanced and they are monitoring us. Kinda like how we monitor animals. They aren't going to destroy us for no reason so I think we'll be left alone until we develop advanced space travel. When that happens I could see them coming back and crushing us into oblivion. I also like the theory that all civilizations destroy themselves before they can develop advanced space travel. | ||||||
| 26 | Boldwin ID: 534112621 Mon, May 27, 2013, 00:03 | Monsanto is just about as evil as evil gets. | ||||||
| 27 | Boldwin ID: 32532618 Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 21:07 |
You can either believe the Americas were visited often by traders keeping trade secrets secret ie the location of their trade partners...and that mariners were frequently blown off course to the Americas... Or you can believe one busy hoaxer in Illinois produced: all this material #1 all this material #2 I'm goin with Occam's Razor myself. | ||||||
| 28 | Boldwin ID: 1757723 Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 00:07 | What I said... | ||||||
| 29 | Boldwin ID: 1757723 Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 00:21 |
What Rush said. Limbaugh: 'We are in the midst of a coup' | ||||||
| 30 | Boldwin ID: 215342423 Tue, Jun 25, 2013, 01:49 |
whistleblower journalist David Chase Taylor His warnings may have prevented the nuclear dirty bombing of the superbowl The validity of his claims are vastly supported by the official desperation to shut him up. Switzerland is twisting their own laws into knots in order to bend to USA pressure and turn him over. | ||||||
| 31 | biliruben ID: 41431323 Tue, Jun 25, 2013, 08:27 | Do you believe, because their were disaster preparedness drills, that Obama was planning to nuke the Superbowl? Yes or no? | ||||||
| 32 | Boldwin ID: 125452510 Tue, Jun 25, 2013, 11:51 |
Simply on that evidence alone? No. Just follow the trail of broken bodies. | ||||||
| 33 | Boldwin ID: 37451819 Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 20:45 |
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| 34 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 21:49 | other than to prove you can post an image, was there a point to that post? | ||||||
| 35 | Perm Dude ID: 41661813 Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 22:07 | Probably that the militarization of local police departments is a problem that should concern us all. | ||||||
| 36 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 22:46 | and what do snowblowers in a state with winter weather, have to do with that? 30 M-16s, doesn't surprise me much at all. 44 bayonets? OK, fair question there as to why. 20 magazines per rifle seems a bit much, till you figure some will be damaged. The Hum-Vees? No biggy. The only thing there legitimately questionable, is the bayonets for Law Enforcement. | ||||||
| 37 | Perm Dude ID: 41661813 Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 00:56 |
Local police departments should have few, if any, military equipment. Because when you get a tank (for example) then you start wanting to use it. Then you start using it all the time. When, in fact, you don't need it at all. | ||||||
| 38 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 01:08 |
Johnston, RI is a suberb of Providence. Looking at a map, I'd almost say it is to Providence, what Queens is to NYC. For such a city to have a SWAT team, is not at all abnormal in todays world. A little research done earlier, says the bayonets are for ceremonial purposes, and I can see that. Shine them up, and they become like the shiney suit of armor worn by the Buckingham Palace Guards during the relatively recent Royal wedding. So what does that leave? Snowblowers and a dz HumVees? Big friggin deal. | ||||||
| 39 | Perm Dude ID: 41661813 Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 01:51 |
I didn't say SWAT team. The problem isn't that SWAT members are getting the stuff, but regular officers are. The militarization of police, combined with tough federal drug laws and domestic NSA intelligence gathering, should give everyone pause. *Please* do a minimum amount of research on this issue before you decide to blow it off because of your knee-jerk reaction to the source. | ||||||
| 40 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 02:19 |
YOU didn't say SWAT, but *I* did. Like I said in 38, a little research....(btw, a "little research" can be defined as googling "Johnston PD gets military equipment") Johnston police use military surplus assault rifles, humvees to train, equip SWAT team | ||||||
| 41 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 02:20 | oh yeah.,..I DID do "a minimum research", which was apparently, substantially more than you did. | ||||||
| 42 | sarge33rd ID: 3871221 Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 22:21 | Saw this at Barnes and Nobles, for only $8. Had to buy it, in your honor B. | ||||||
| 43 | Boldwin ID: 2246117 Fri, May 02, 2014, 00:03 |
Former senior counsel for the World Bank blows the whistle on that organization.Georgetown University history professor Carroll Quigley from a book that he authored all the way back in 1966 in which he discussed the big plans that the elite had for the Bank for International Settlements… | ||||||
| 44 | Bean ID: 5292191 Fri, May 02, 2014, 02:36 |
Owe my soul to the company store. China and Japan now each own about 6 or 7 % of our national debt. Thank god we can default on those loans run some super inflation making them useless or nationalize whats left of our natural resources still before its too late. Of course that could be provocation for war. Why did Japan bomb us anyway, when was that day of infamy again? Oh wait, all of what i said would be like mercantile strategies right? Gator said that shit was hetorsexual or something like that. Dont worry about that shit, he said it would be dangerous if we did. Aint that right Gator? Dont worry, be happy. Hehe | ||||||
| 45 | Gator ID: 19323103 Sat, May 03, 2014, 09:18 |
Bean your idea is not only heterodox economics but is considered a chief reason why we went into a worldwide depression in the 30's. Going back to the topic of this thread, I am not sure if there is intelligent life in outer space, but I am confident there is none in Washington. | ||||||
| 46 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sat, May 03, 2014, 10:39 |
All this time I thought the great depression was due to overleveraged specualtion crashing the market at the same time as widespread crop failure. Guess I've been reading the wrong books. Try Grapes of Wrath, it might give you a different perspective on the Great Depression. Anyway, as I understand it, this market speculation was not done by the poor who suffered most from its result. It was done by rich a$$hole$ who thought they knew how to run an economy but clearly did not. They did however know how to remain rich, so you gotta give em credit for something. My, perhaps flawed, education taught me that it took a world war fueled economy that brought the spirit of working together for a common cause, and a liberal thinking president to bring strength to this country again after market greed and crop failure destroyed it. Some of the same people who got us into the trouble have fathered children who still call Roosevelts "Fair Deal" the worst piece of legislation and the ruin of the country. I believe they like to call it a raw deal, hoping that the joke would seem funny to the uneducated people it was made to help most. My people saw it as just what it was called, a fair deal. My people formed unions to stop the tyrrany of the wealthy (Rednecks BTW were working class coal-miners, during their strikes they wore red bandanas for solidarity, these unions were multi-racial). Tenant farmers, displaced by the dust bowl, were also known as Rednecks. They were called this because of long hours working in the sun left their necks sunburned. I really dont know how the term Redneck became a negative thing, when so many people took pride in the title at one time. so, you know, you can keep your 401Ks, IRAs and all that crap, its just another way to steal from the common man as you game the market to your personal advantage and rob him for his stupidity in trusting you. I prefer the governments assurance of a safety net over the assurances of market economists, they have continued to let us down ever time we put our trust in their theories. Especially the theory that we shouldnt be watching them like hawks. So, thank you guys for the S&L failures, thank you guys for the bank failures, thank you guys for exporting all of our jobs. You market economists have done a great job. Just so you fully understand where I am coming from, cause i dont want to be misunderstood. You can scour the ranks of the military today. You know, those guys who defend your pansy asses cause you are too scared to join and help. You'll find that they are disproportionately represented by working class hillbillys who generally trace their roots back to british colonies and American Indians. So when you call us rednecks, show some reverance. I certainly hope you arent going to destroy all that we have worked for and repeatedly defended for your own personal greed. | ||||||
| 47 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sat, May 03, 2014, 11:48 | Oh shit, i need to watch what I am saying. The neo-McCarthist boogey men will come and get me. Soon I wont even be able to say anything in my own home in private with my goomah. | ||||||
| 48 | Boldwin ID: 345837 Sun, May 04, 2014, 00:44 | Bean would like to forget how hard Dems work to make sure as few military votes get cast and counted as possible. | ||||||
| 49 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Sun, May 04, 2014, 03:02 | 48...another debunked RW talking point, being proudly bandied about by Boldwin. | ||||||
| 50 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sun, May 04, 2014, 11:25 |
48 Boldy, instead of waiting for you to try to misrepresent reality again, I was hoping that you would make a big deal of my calling the New Deal the Fair Deal. I was hoping that I could trick you into revisiting the actual work done by Truman to further the cause of the common man over the new deal, hoping to teach you a little bit of history. You cleverly ignored my intentional error thwarting my plan to provide you with an education. I simply cannot defeat you. | ||||||
| 51 | Tree ID: 438482411 Sun, May 04, 2014, 13:46 |
instead of waiting for you to try to misrepresent reality again, i don't know why we keep using nice terms for "lying". | ||||||
| 52 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 05:15 | Miltarized regional police organized as LEC's claim they are immune from citizen oversight and do not need to honor FOIA requests. | ||||||
| 53 | Bean ID: 5292191 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 11:34 |
Do away with non-profits/churches etc. Do away with itemized deductions and you do away with this legal issue. IMHO: FOIA should apply to all entities that receive federal aid. This includes farm subsidies etc. Dont want the scrutiny dont take the hand out. | ||||||
| 54 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 14:13 | That is like the most extreme way of handling this possible. All a court has to do is recognize that a regional swat team made up of uniformed on duty police paid by the public, is obviously subject to the same rules of public disclosure as every other public police force. | ||||||
| 55 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 04:45 |
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| 56 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 05:00 |
I really dont know how the term Redneck became a negative thing - Bean Same reason our would-be marxist saviors of the underclass loathe 'trailer trash' and love to describe what would happen when you drag a dollar thru a trailer park. The reason is that they intend to replace the 'rich-thru-competence' class and the 'children-of-the-competent' class. They do not identify with those working their plantation. They have not the slightest intention of ever doing an honest day's work. They are pirates, schoolyard bullies and backstabbers. Cut-throats, kidnappers and blackmailers. The only way they will ever get a sunburn is when they parade around pretending to be the oppressed. "Give me your money." | ||||||
| 57 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 05:11 |
And the salesman at the high end audiophile outlet makes most of his money from the trailer park. They are the ones living within their means who can actually afford high end equipment, cash on the barrel-head. Or so my banker son tells me. The New Dealers hate people who aren't dependent on the government. People who pay into the system are fools in their eyes. Their natural prey. "Just another stupid jerk, takin' pride in his work." | ||||||
| 58 | Bean ID: 14147911 Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 12:21 |
Your cynicism about social welfare is fully understandable, but there is no doubt in my mind that our society needs the social security system. Left to their own devices, most people will live beyond their means and be destitute in old age and a system of privatized retirement savings is just a playground for predators. One day we'll have a new labor party that actually represents working stiffs. Most hard working people are tired of the takers on both sides of the aisle. Rich pricks taking more than they need and lazy jerks looking to get in on the latest scam are equally disgusting in the eyes of blue collar America. | ||||||
| 59 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 18:14 | No we needs Chile's SS system. Where funds are actually held in actual investments. Not in empty boxes of IOU's. | ||||||
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