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Subject: Electoral Compass: See Candidate you Align to Posted by: walk - Dude [32928238] Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 09:34 Electoral Compass I cannot speak to the validity of this instrument (i.e. if it measures what it says it measures...how closely your attitudes and beliefs align to the presidential candidates), but I took it, and coincidentally, I came out closest to the candidate I support, Obama. Others care to take and post? | |||||||
| 1 | Great One Sustainer ID: 053272014 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 09:52 |
I got Bill Richardson, but Hillary Clinton was my closest "major" candidate. This will lead me to some more research. Nice tool. | ||||||
| 2 | Perm Dude ID: 39014118 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:01 | Closest to Obama. | ||||||
| 3 | Richard Dude ID: 204252420 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:05 | I don't post around here too much but I love taking little analysis quizzes like this one. I came out 1/3rd of the way up the social liberalism progressive axis with a very slight left-leaning on the economic axis. Democrats to the left of me and republicans to the right of me. I fall closest to Bill Richardson but am about as close to him as Ron Paul. It's no wonder that I'm having a hard time finding a candidate I really like. | ||||||
| 4 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:08 | Like I said, I did not do any research on the scientfic validity of this tool (and this is an area of expertise for moi). I found it at Sullivan's website. I wonder to what degree the 27 questions reliably measure the political categories they attempt to measure, cover all of the key political issues that are espoused by the candidates, and how the candidates' positions on the social and economic continuums were determined (and how accurate they are). The FAQs and about Colophon do suggest this is not some piece of junk, but there's no references for studies either. I like that they speak to statistical consistency and variability. It's a good, fun starting point, and could be a little more rigorous than that. | ||||||
| 5 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:40 | If we use X-Y coordinates, I came up about a -1,4. Says closest to B Richardson and furthest from F Thompson. HC, Obama and Edwards were all within the sphere of influence (if we want to call it that), the graph plotted for me. | ||||||
| 6 | boikin ID: 59831214 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:45 | closest to Ron Paul no surprise there, next closest is Rudy, a little surprising usually i score closer to richardson. | ||||||
| 7 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:59 |
another little quiz to indicate which candidates you most closely align toward surprisingly (not???? lol) HC, Edwards and Obama all came in at 22 for me, with just different aspects of disagreement with each. Thompson (as indicated above) came in the furthest from me, with a 2. | ||||||
| 8 | biliruben ID: 4911361723 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 12:28 | Closest to Obama. | ||||||
| 9 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 12:40 | What a load of crap. Where is Dennis Kucinich? | ||||||
| 10 | Boxman ID: 337352111 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:04 | Closest to Huckabee, furthest from Obama. | ||||||
| 11 | Ref Donor ID: 539581218 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:05 | It's funny, the only time I ever come to this forum is when something catches my eye on the forum list. What a tool. Thanks Walk! Not only does this help clarify things, but it's a wonderful resourse to see where everyone stands on these issues. One stop shop. Like most of the country, I'm having a very difficult time with the candidates this year. If I hadn't selected neutral on a few questions, it might even make my ideal canidate even better. Need to go do some research on a few topics. | ||||||
| 12 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:42 | SZ, where did you fall out? I don't think Kucinich's omission precludes you from seeing where this tool says you fall out. I am sure we can plot Kucinich ourselves if he was omitted (probably farther left than Obama on both indices, no?) | ||||||
| 13 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:52 |
Geez - this thingie has me most closely alligned with Rudi G. I'm pretty sure that's not right. Next closest is Ron Paul. I'm furtherst away from Obama, which I'm sure is accurate. The questions are just to blunt an instrument to really measure anything. For instance the question about the death penalty detering crime: I could answer "yes" that I agreed it probally is a deterent to crime - which I presume alligns me with Rudi's position. However, that wouldn't be accurate of my position because I oppose the death penalty whether it deters crime or not. | ||||||
| 14 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:26 | Good point, MBJ. Perhaps the instrument is not direct (blunt) enough. That item should then read: "I support the use of the death penalty as a punishment (for capital offenses)." | ||||||
| 15 | Seattle Zen ID: 49112418 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:32 |
Walk I fell to the left of Obama, who they claim is farther left than Edwards, which I do not agree with. | ||||||
| 16 | biliruben ID: 5610442715 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:35 |
Yeah - I think Edwards is the farthest left of all non-Keebler Elves running for the dem nomination. He's the only one that has shown any passion for the poor, at any rate. Which I guess makes him unelectable in this country. ;) | ||||||
| 17 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:49 | yeah, SZ, I think you have it right. We don't know how they plotted the candidates. More importantly is your circle-size though (as opposed to some other size, aaar aaar). My circle encompassed Obama, Clinton and Edwards, so it's all just a validation that I'm a bleedin' heart liberal! | ||||||
| 18 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:50 | bili, I forgot about Edwards' social views though. I dunno his stance on abortion and such, maybe that's why he's not as far left as Obama? I just don't remember. I can only remember something about "my personal views are separate from what I think should be the law." | ||||||
| 19 | biliruben ID: 5610442715 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:58 |
I don't recall either. You can use your compass to explore each candidates views, however. Reading through Edwards, he was neutral on same-sex-marriage and far left on abortion and stem-cells. | ||||||
| 20 | walk Dude ID: 32928238 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 16:00 | Got it, "the compass knows." | ||||||
| 21 | WiddleAvi ID: 251113917 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 16:47 |
The original link in this thread has me closest to Obama. USA Today also has a quiz USA Today Quiz and it has me closest to Kucinich and Obama was 2nd but there was a decent gap between the 2. | ||||||
| 22 | Species Dude ID: 07724916 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 16:53 | Fun tool. Closest to Ron Paul....furthest from Thompson. I am to the right on the economic side and a little further north on the social side.....pretty closely resembles the muddled mess that are my political beliefs. | ||||||
| 23 | boikin ID: 59831214 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:19 | i find it intersting that there is none of the canidates are in upper right and lower left quandrant, i am curios if anyone falls in that catagory, i end up a little left of ron pauls head. | ||||||
| 24 | Jag ID: 14828255 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:19 | I was closest to Ron Paul, but not far off my boy, McCain. | ||||||
| 25 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:52 |
Yeah - I think Edwards is the farthest left of all non-Keebler Elves running for the dem nomination. He's the only one that has shown any passion for the poor, at any rate. Assuming you believe it's not all politically motivated. He could be donating the money he spends on uber haircuts to the poor...I'm not buying it. | ||||||
| 26 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:53 |
For instance the question about the death penalty detering crime: I could answer "yes" that I agreed it probally is a deterent to crime - which I presume alligns me with Rudi's position. However, that wouldn't be accurate of my position because I oppose the death penalty whether it deters crime or not. Nice to hear MBJ...I've also always been opposed to it and I answered honestly I DON'T think it deters crime. | ||||||
| 27 | nerveclinic ID: 105222 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:56 |
I came out closet to Obama. Half way up the liberal social chart and just barely over the line towards liberal economics. I answered carelessly and find the method to the poll dramatically flawed. (I can't take the time to tell you why at 4AM though) | ||||||
| 28 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 19:24 |
More importantly is your circle-size I didn't get a circle. I have this thing that looks like a contact lens in the upper left. No one is any where near it. | ||||||
| 29 | Punk42AE Donor ID: 036635522 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 19:26 | First one I came out closest to Rudy, and just a few back of that was Ron Paul. | ||||||
| 30 | Jag ID: 14828255 Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 19:32 | Zen is closest to Tommy Chong. | ||||||
| 31 | CanadianHack ID: 21937272 Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 03:59 |
The Electoral Compass one puts me closest to Barack Obama. The Minnesota Public Radio one says Hillary Clinton. The USA Today one says Dennis Kucinich. That I am not in support of a Democrat and not any Republicans is the clear thing from that. | ||||||
| 32 | CanadianHack ID: 21937272 Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 06:19 |
If only I could edit my stupidity. That I am in support of a Democrat and not any Republican is the clear thing from that. | ||||||
| 33 | Tree ID: 46001716 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 20:42 |
here's another quiz... my results: 98% Dennis Kucinich 95% Mike Gravel 78% Chris Dodd 78% John Edwards 77% Barack Obama 75% Hillary Clinton 72% Joe Biden 70% Bill Richardson 37% Rudy Giuliani 29% Ron Paul 28% John McCain 21% Mike Huckabee 17% Mitt Romney 11% Tom Tancredo 7% Fred Thompson 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 34 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 20:59 |
83% John McCain 82% Ron Paul 79% Mitt Romney 75% Mike Huckabee 75% Fred Thompson 62% Rudy Giuliani 61% Tom Tancredo 38% Bill Richardson 34% Mike Gravel 32% Chris Dodd 29% Hillary Clinton 29% Dennis Kucinich 27% Barack Obama 27% John Edwards 22% Joe Biden 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz There's no chance of me ever voting for McCain. Also, lest anyone think Obama is anything shy of extremely liberal - I'm somehow closer to Kucinich | ||||||
| 35 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 21:26 |
80% Hillary Clinton 78% Chris Dodd 77% Barack Obama 75% John Edwards 68% Bill Richardson 66% Joe Biden 57% Dennis Kucinich 55% Mike Gravel 45% Tom Tancredo 42% John McCain 40% Rudy Giuliani 39% Mike Huckabee 38% Mitt Romney 31% Fred Thompson 21% Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 36 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 21:26 | Doubt there's any chance I'll vote for Hillary. | ||||||
| 37 | Pancho ID: 47161721 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 21:28 |
Your Results: 61% John McCain 61% Mitt Romney 56% Rudy Giuliani 53% Bill Richardson 52% Chris Dodd 52% Barack Obama 52% Fred Thompson 51% Mike Huckabee 51% Hillary Clinton 49% Ron Paul 49% John Edwards 43% Tom Tancredo 43% Joe Biden 42% Dennis Kucinich 41% Mike Gravel How is it possiblr for Obama and Thompson to be tied? And how did you guys get that color in your posts? | ||||||
| 38 | Perm Dude ID: 2609178 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 21:37 |
Like a lot of these, I have some problems with the questions. But here 'tis: 82% Chris Dodd 82% Barack Obama 81% Dennis Kucinich 80% Bill Richardson 79% Joe Biden 78% Hillary Clinton 77% Mike Gravel 77% John Edwards 36% Rudy Giuliani 31% John McCain 27% Ron Paul 26% Mitt Romney 23% Mike Huckabee 18% Tom Tancredo 14% Fred Thompson 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 39 | biliruben ID: 4911361723 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 22:12 |
b>84% Mike Gravel 83% Dennis Kucinich 79% Chris Dodd 78% Barack Obama 77% Bill Richardson 75% John Edwards 73% Hillary Clinton 72% Joe Biden 35% Rudy Giuliani 34% Ron Paul 33% John McCain 26% Mike Huckabee 23% Mitt Romney 17% Tom Tancredo 15% Fred Thompson 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 40 | Seattle Zen ID: 529121611 Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 23:31 |
100% Dennis Kucinich 99% Mike Gravel 80% John Edwards 77% Chris Dodd 77% Barack Obama 74% Joe Biden 73% Hillary Clinton 70% Bill Richardson 33% Rudy Giuliani 29% Ron Paul 23% John McCain 17% Mike Huckabee 15% Mitt Romney 9% Tom Tancredo 5% Fred Thompson 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 41 | J-Bar ID: 59048322 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 00:14 |
78% Tom Tancredo 75% John McCain 74% Mitt Romney 68% Fred Thompson 64% Mike Huckabee 63% Rudy Giuliani 51% Ron Paul 47% Chris Dodd 46% Bill Richardson 45% Hillary Clinton 42% John Edwards 41% Barack Obama 34% Joe Biden 28% Mike Gravel 21% Dennis Kucinich 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 42 | AirJar ID: 351123160 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 00:26 |
72% Mike Huckabee 69% Mitt Romney 68% Tom Tancredo 68% Fred Thompson 65% John McCain 63% Rudy Giuliani 47% Ron Paul 40% Bill Richardson 39% Joe Biden 38% Barack Obama 38% Mike Gravel 36% John Edwards 35% Hillary Clinton 34% Chris Dodd 32% Dennis Kucinich | ||||||
| 43 | Boldwin ID: 120301616 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 02:42 |
This test is flawed and I can prove it. McCain is FAR from my favorite and Hillary wasn't at the bottom. Perhaps the test doesn't fully take into account that they are all lying. | ||||||
| 44 | CanadianHack ID: 31645103 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 03:41 |
87% Chris Dodd (D) 86% Dennis Kucinich (D) 86% Barack Obama (D) 83% John Edwards (D) 83% Mike Gravel (D) 83% Bill Richardson (D) 82% Hillary Clinton (D) 77% Joe Biden (D) 44% Rudy Giuliani (R) 33% John McCain (R) 28% Mike Huckabee (R) 26% Ron Paul (R) 26% Mitt Romney (R) 21% Tom Tancredo (R) 17% Fred Thompson (R) | ||||||
| 45 | Tree ID: 30032185 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 06:37 |
This test is flawed and I can prove it. McCain is FAR from my favorite and Hillary wasn't at the bottom. or, more likely, it doesn't take your hatred of Clinton into question. perhaps it should have asked "which candidate offends you because she is a woman" to better accurately measure your vote. | ||||||
| 46 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 07:11 |
76% John McCain 72% Mitt Romney 65% Tom Tancredo 65% Fred Thompson 64% Rudy Giuliani 64% Mike Huckabee 49% Ron Paul 47% Hillary Clinton 46% Joe Biden 45% Chris Dodd 44% John Edwards 41% Barack Obama 37% Bill Richardson 33% Mike Gravel 28% Dennis Kucinich 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 47 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 07:12 | I agree with Baldwin. The test is flawed. There's no way I'd vote for any of the Democrats. If the entire Republican ticket withdrew, I'd stay home. | ||||||
| 48 | walk ID: 28027186 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 07:30 | Isn't it moronically obvious that the test measures your attitudes and beliefs relative to the questions asked, not based whatsoever on your perceptions of the candidates' qualifications? In other words, the test only indicates to which candidate your views are most closely aligned, and that's all. You do realize that, right? If not, and you want something that also asks you what you think of the integrity, character, leadership qualities, etc of the candidate per se, you'd have to go elsewhere. D'oh! | ||||||
| 49 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 08:54 |
In other words, the test only indicates to which candidate your views are most closely aligned, and that's all. You do realize that, right? Keep the bombers in the hangar walk. I know the intent of the quiz. I was making some truthful humor. | ||||||
| 50 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 08:58 | except the part about staying home in a race with no republicans, right? | ||||||
| 51 | leggestand Leader ID: 451036518 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:17 |
I appear to be "independant" or "moderate" as D's and R's are sprinkled throughout my results rather than all D's and then all R's, or vice versa seen so far in this thread. I also think it's interesting that everyone scored between 37% and 75% for me, while many (not all) of the previous posters see scores of 80%+ and 20%- as your barbells. I'm not going to make a conclusion as to why, but it is interesting to see the differences. FWIW, Giuliani has typically scored towards the top on most of my tests, but I imagine he is going to drop out at some point. 75% Rudy Giuliani 67% Chris Dodd 66% Bill Richardson 65% Barack Obama 65% Hillary Clinton 62% John Edwards 57% John McCain 57% Mitt Romney 53% Joe Biden 53% Mike Huckabee 53% Tom Tancredo 51% Mike Gravel 50% Dennis Kucinich 43% Fred Thompson 37% Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz | ||||||
| 52 | Pancho ID: 47161721 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:37 | I was wondering if anyone besides me would have Rs and Ds scattered through the list. | ||||||
| 53 | leggestand Leader ID: 451036518 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:42 | I agree, Pancho. Every test I have taken has put me with 1-2 R's and 3-4 D's in my top 5. I think it's so interesting that so many people have all R's and D's perfectly segregated. | ||||||
| 54 | leggestand Leader ID: 451036518 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:46 | I will also say that many of my current opinions come from the arguments presented by people in this forum. For one of many possible examples, on the illegal immigration issue, I was very much for deportation and stopping the flow of illegals into the U.S. 12-18 months ago, and I believe I posted such belief here. After hearing the arguments on this forum and learning some of the facts, I came to the conclusion that my initial reaction was probably not my true belief, and have changed my stance. | ||||||
| 55 | Perm Dude ID: 29028188 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:56 | I find that, despite the very pointed posts here, that the arguments on this forum help refine many ideas on issues for me. Certainly I'm not as intellectually lazy as I used to be on many things! | ||||||
| 56 | Kyle Donor ID: 052753312 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 10:02 |
67% Hillary Clinton 67% John Edwards 66% Bill Richardson 64% Barack Obama 64% Chris Dodd 64% Tom Tancredo 63% Mike Huckabee 60% Joe Biden 56% John McCain 51% Mitt Romney 51% Rudy Giuliani 46% Fred Thompson 45% Mike Gravel 36% Dennis Kucinich 34% Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz On the Compass I am on the X axis and halfway between Paul and the origin to the right.When I looked at my results if I change my somewhat agree/disagree to completely agree/disagree then I would have matched about 80% of Huckabee's stances. That's interesting since I've thought he was the best conservative candidate. There's no way in Hades that I'll vote Hilldog. | ||||||
| 57 | sarge33rd ID: 99331714 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 10:06 |
77% Bill Richardson 75% Chris Dodd 71% John Edwards 71% Hillary Clinton 70% Barack Obama 67% Mike Gravel 61% Joe Biden 60% Dennis Kucinich 47% Rudy Giuliani 44% John McCain 40% Mike Huckabee 36% Tom Tancredo 32% Mitt Romney 27% Fred Thompson 25% Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz Interesting that Obama is so far down the Dem list for me as he is. Perhaps even more interesting, that Rudy is at the top of the Rep candidates. *shrug* Oh well...I'm still debating between Obama and R Paul. (With Paul looking more and more like he'd get my write-in if Obama doesnt get the Dem nomination.) | ||||||
| 58 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 11:03 |
except the part about staying home in a race with no republicans, right? Absolutely. | ||||||
| 59 | DWetzel at library ID: 47021812 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 13:21 |
77% Barack Obama 74% Chris Dodd 73% John Edwards 72% Hillary Clinton 71% Joe Biden 70% Bill Richardson 61% Dennis Kucinich 59% Mike Gravel 57% Rudy Giuliani 49% John McCain 47% Mitt Romney 38% Fred Thompson 36% Mike Huckabee 30% Tom Tancredo 28% Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz One of them thar blue wackos I guess, though it at least got sorta close in the middle. | ||||||
| 60 | Boldwin ID: 120301616 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 13:46 |
perhaps it should have asked "which candidate offends you because she is a woman" to better accurately measure your vote. - Tree BZZZZZT Wouldn't ruffle my feathers in the slightest if the woman was Jeane Kirkpatrick for example. | ||||||
| 61 | Tree ID: 3533298 Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 14:09 |
is that because she's dead? or because she's supportive of governments that restrict civil rights and oppress its citizens? | ||||||
| 62 | Myboyjack ID: 8216923 Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 08:34 |
What does is say about my choices when I find that I agree with this absolute nut's platform more than any of the other candidates?  Hey Baby! Frank Moore for President. | ||||||
| 63 | Laurens Higler ID: 2935677 Mon, Apr 07, 2008, 09:56 |
The webapplication is made by the VU university of Amsterdam. Students in political science also participate in the project. We base the placement of the candidates on their election programmes, news articles and what they say in debates. You can easily check al the positionings by just clicking on the photo of the candidate you would like to check. Please send this link to anybody, this will enhance our statistics. | ||||||
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