Posted by: Boldwin
- [323592819] Wed, Apr 30, 2008, 14:10
See the first month of the mass kidnapping in the "Compassion" Fascists thread.
Part 1 was the kidnapping.
Part 2 is the denial of due process.
Part 3 will be the 'rat caging' of an entire religion.
Yes, you have agreed to and have moved away into your own apartment and away from your husband as we have demanded.
Yes, you have paid hundreds of dollars per hour long course in parenting many times over.
Yes you have scrupulously attented countless hearing after hearing in the many widely separated locations to which your childrn have been dispersed.
Yes you have told us most of the words we want to hear but we really don't believe we have completely broke you until you believe white is black and the sun is the moon and thanked us for having shown you the 'light'.
Your parental rights are hereby terminated.
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Boldwin
ID: 213382621 Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 16:00
What does it take to get an ally around here?
This maybe? They are our kids, and by 'our' I don't mean the government's.
You might ask for a second opinion if you took your kid in for flu symptoms, they treated with antibiotics which don't work on viruses, and then they insist on a heart operation.
the abduction of their five-month-old son by police officers
It's plain what's going on here. Police officers feel such affinity for Obama - they need to kidnap children so that they can be indoctrinated by liberals and inducted into Obama's private army.
“all too many people with disabilities end up being killed by the health service – the very institution supposedly dedicated to saving their lives.”
Each week 24 disabled people are killed by such prejudiced presumptions; indeed, there was a case at my local hospital recently. These shocking figures are based on a government-commissioned inquiry into one region of the country, which found people with disabilities 37% more likely to be killed by incompetence or inadequate care – and their lives end on average 16 years earlier than they should. The more serious the disabilities, the higher the risk.
I never said or implied anything about political bias tree. But I often feel they do more harm than good with many of the cases they take. However, in this case (and admittedly more than normal lately) they did a good thing.
With civil liberties suddenly in fashion on the political right, I suspect there's going to be an awful lot of backtracking from previous positions on the ACLU from that side of the political aisle.
I never said or implied anything about political bias tree
when you say Dare I say it - Yeah for the ACLU? , there is an implication there.
the ACLU has almost always been evenhanded. it always make me laugh when Conservatives (not talking about you) call the ACLU liberal, when we'er talking about an organization that once defended the rights of the American Nazi Party to have a parade.
The ACLU gets a liberal tag because of their stance on a number of issues, that tend to be considered liberal, e.g., Death Penalty, Abortion, Affirmative Action.
However, I do agree that the ACLU is evenhanded in their defense of civil liberties. I disagree with them on some of the stances, but they are consistent with their views and applying them to everyone equally.
Continued belief that opposition to capital punishment is a "liberal" issue as opposed to a civil rights one is yet another reason for why the political right is the more authoritarian side of the aisle.
And why the current civil rights trend on that side is clearly more of a political fad than some newfound (much less longstanding - haha) respect for those ideals.
The ACLU's problem is that they believe some civil liberties are far, far more important than others.
I agree with MITH that capital punishment isn't a liberal or conservative issue, particularly when we've got plenty of evidence that it is being applied unevenly.
First sentence of 525 sums up my thoughts on the ACLU pretty well. On the whole, its not a matter of politics, more a matter of perspective.
But recently they've taken more (or maybe we've just heard of more) cases where people are fighting for equal rights or fighting against government intrusion. This case I referenced (which I brought up here because it was discussed earlier in the thread) is a good example. And the case of the Alamaba (or Mississippi?) girl who sued to be able to bring her girlfriend to the prom is a case they supported where people are looking for equal rights. All great things.
But too often you hear about the aclu coming to the aid of people and when I hear about the case I just groan and think frivilous lawsuit.
Offhand, tree, no. None come to mind. Im posting *my* impressions on them, though I know I've formed those impressions from constantly seeing the aclu pop up various idiotic lawsuits. I don't keep a mental or physical roladex of these things.
538 - kind of my point. if it happened "too often" as you state, then you'd likely remember some of them.
it's one of those things were certain pundits from a certain side of the aisle that prefer we not have civil liberties scream loudly about something that simply isn't true.
That's hardly a fair comparison. Khahan clearly is stating his impression and saying so. The Rightist Media take their impressions, call them "fact" and then surround those facts with pundits repeating talking points to make it so.
We all have impressions, and that isn't a bad thing. We need to treat people fairer--not doing so, or making false comparisons to score some political point is a bad thing.
Gotta agree with you there. I think if your kid hasn't walked or ridden home from school by himself by 10, you have seriously hampered his development.
Now all the other baggage you pack into this makes it, as usually, difficult to agree with you.
545 Women terminate pregnancy for many reasons but its usually economic ultimately. Stigmatizing bastard children is really an economic thing since the whole idea of a heterosexual family is really just about the responsibility of raising children in society.
If somehow our society could figure out how to support every child born out of wedlock along with their mothers who must remain at home to raise them, then I might allow myself the luxury of recognizing the beginning of life as something other than birth. Reducing the number of out of wedlock pregnancies is a great way to reduce the problem but that isnt the choice of anyone other than parents.
Meanwhile, we are who we are, get used to it, its not changing anytime soon. Raise your children however you feel you must, but remember not everyone has your same ethics, and nobody wants to hear any holier than thou crap from anyone.
They should be led thru the streets and horsewhipped.
We have entrusted power to people who are intellectually and morally unfit. [the DCFS - B] They should no longer be permitted to wield it.
Back in the 1990s I was on Tennessee’s Juvenile Justice Reform Commission. I remember the folks from DCS giving excuses as to why they weren’t providing kids in their custody with a legally-mandated education. They were shorthanded, they had transportation problems, the kids didn’t want to go. . . . All the same reasons, I noted, given by the parents from whom they had taken the kids for not sending them to school.
I liked being on that Commission because, as a tenured professor, I could state the obvious truths that the apparatchiks could not — though afterward they’d often thank me for doing it. But what these people need is something worse than a tongue-lashing. - Best selling author, law professor, world's leading blogger, Glenn Reynolds
We live in the safest place, in the safest time in likely the history of the human race, yet we can't give of our kids the freedom essential for them to grow up.
Many of today's suburban boys are pussies due to the absurd mothering in our society. Girls treat them as their BFF instead of a potential mate. No wonder there are so many gay boys now, that's the only way they'll get any sex.
Tired of your kid getting picked on at school? Tell him to quit being such a tattle-tail wuss. Afraid that advice will get his butt kicked even more? Tough, he's gotta learn some social skills somewhere along the way.
Raise your boy to be a wuss and you should be jailed for child endangerment. Raise your boy to be a bully, and you should be jailed for child endangerment too, cause some tortured kid will prolly shoot him and all of his classmates.
Of course, we could just blame the teacher for our parental failure. Or just send him to the military to give him the discipline and self-respect we were scared to dole out when he was younger.
I'm not sure I'm going to touch your "gay boy", "pussy" and "military is the great solution", rants.
Pretty much all my friends that are ex-military have had huge problems adjusting to life in mainstream America. I'm not sure that's mainstream America's fault.
That said, I do think we are far too over-protective in our society. It does not allow kids the freedom and independence to experiment, and yes, often screw-up which is essential to learning and growth.
Whether that makes an entire generation or two pussies or not, I can't say. I'm thinking not.
This last issue presents a distinctive challenge to conservatives like me, who believe such work requirements are essential. If we want women like Debra Harrell to take jobs instead of welfare, we have to also find a way to defend their liberty as parents, instead of expecting them to hover like helicopters and then literally arresting them if they don’t.
Somehow, we’ve arrived at a moment when a kid playing by himself, Internet-free and helicopter-parentless, is a surprising thing. Huck Finn may be deep in the American DNA, but he’s disappeared from the summer landscape, replaced by the boy in the bubble. No dirt, no unplanned moments, and no time for discovery.
Creationist Ken Ham, who recently debated Bill Nye the Science Guy over the origins of the universe, is calling for an end to the search for extraterrestrial life because aliens probably don't exist -- and if they do, they're going to Hell anyway.
"You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe," Ham wrote on his blog on Sunday. "This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation."
Evidence is pouring in that keeping families together – even those deemed dysfunctional – is less harmful than pulling them apart.
It’s a U-turn in thinking and practice for child advocates, as new programs emerge with the aim of keeping children in their homes while fixing families.
“When the state has to be a parent, we do our best. But it’s never best for the state to be a parent if we have the family as an option,” said Kevin Quigley, secretary of the state Department of Health and Human Services.
Things are changing, slowly, but they are changing.
“The children removed from their parents do not fare well, and most are returned to their families with little change other than further damage to their already fragile parent-child bonds,” said Sullivan, a clinical psychologist in Medford. “The trauma and associated negative effects of removal can last a lifetime.”