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Subject: Muslim PC Police
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [1463718] Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 14:47
The ability of PC police, whether right or left, to infiltrate and then dominate parts of culture in European countries is a growing problem, IMO. It isn't just a left-right thing either. The thought that one should never be offended seems to be behind it all, and many people in Europe seem to be spending oddles of time coming up with ways people might be offended and legislate against it happening.
Newest case in point I've seen: British Muslims in a tizzy over the use of a puppy in a print ad |
| 1 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 16:04
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Tayside Police's new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.
The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards - a black dog sitting in a police officer's hat - has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.
The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.
So if the dog is considered unclean by their religion, should the shopkeepers be forced to display the advert anyway?
I get your point PD but is this "big story" worth a thread?
How many Muslims actually complained, it might have been 3? The article is vague.
It also doesn't say anything about "ways people might be offended and legislate against it happening."
Of course there are stupid Muslims. Of course there are stupid Christians. There are many people who are fanatical about religion who are stupid.
This looks like not much more then a national enquirer story but have at it.
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| 2 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 16:36
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Guess what Google get you: Fear of Muslim students in USA force a disabled student-teacher witha service dog to leave school
As long as Muslim immigrants are not acclimated to Western values these issues will be increasingly common. Modern immigrants, especially Muslim, seem to have a sense of entitlement superiority over the domnant culture. A large segment seems to not want to fit in or even just be left alone - they want Western values to be sunjugated to the ones they carry with them. Where does that come from?
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| 3 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 16:48
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nerve - This issue, especially in Europe, is not isolated or insignificant, your attempt to marginalize it notwithstanding.
The reaction of Muslim immigrants in Europe to the Danish Mohamed cartoon; the Muslim activists Dutch MP who had to flee to America ue to death threats, the criminal trials of people like Brigit Bardot for speech in France that "denigrated" Islam - these things ring a bell with you?
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| 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 1463718
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:01
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I think that's the right of it, MBJ. I don't think this is anecdotal at all.
Remember the Mohammed cartoons? Europe's response, by and large, was to capitulate to the bullying and legislate against actions which might offend people.
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| 5 | Perm Dude
ID: 1463718
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:01
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Damn--was writing my note then forgot to post it. Meanwhile, MBJ makes the same point!
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| 6 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:20
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nerve - This issue, especially in Europe, is not isolated or insignificant, your attempt to marginalize it notwithstanding.
Ummm I am specifically commenting on the story PD posted. I read the story and commented on it. The story is stupid and vague. Give me more meat and I might go along with you but it was poorly written, and unspecific.
Now you are dragging the "Danish Mohamed cartoon; the Muslim activists Dutch MP who had to flee to America ue to death threats" into the discussion.
You want to discuss that? Fine, different story. The story about the dog in the police ad isn't worth the band width IMHO, so now I am "marginalizing" it.
What the F does the story even say MBJ? Some Muslims don't like a dog in an ad?
How many don't like it? The article doesn't say.
What have they done besides complain? The article doesn't say.
Have they threatened anyone? The article doesn't say.
Then the article shockingly states "some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert." Why should the shopkeeper have to put up the photo if dogs are considered unclean by his religion (Stupid as that is, I mean it really is stupid I agree).
I might not put up the advert because I just generally don't like cops. Let's write an article and thread about that.
I mean what is this besides a stupid story?
If you want to get on a soap box about it go for it but it isn't in the same league as other stories about cartoons that have caused death threats.
And we all know Christians never make death threats.
National Enquirer.
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| 7 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:34
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2 City Council members have become involved. The police chief has apologized to the community for not running this innocuous ad by the force's "diversity administrator" It's a full retreat.
But you're right, no one has been murdered yet, so it must just be another of a multitude of isolated incidents that have nothing to do with one another. There's dinfintely not a pattern of outrage, offense and grossly over sensitivity by the European Muslim community and surrender by the Euros.
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| 8 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:38
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Frankly MBJ I think the story in post 2 is close to worthless too.
So some people from the backwoods of Somalia don't like this guys dog, because it's against there religion (Again stupid I agree)
The guy seems a bit overly sensitive to me. He says a person threatened the dog and he made a big scene over it and left.
Do you know what the level of sophistication of these Somali students likely was? Know much about Somalia? It's possible they had never even seen a dog before.
No one else (school staff) in the story seemed to think there was much to worry about. (Can't we all just get along?)
They all called it a misunderstanding.
In fact "the school's investigation determined the student did not make a direct threat"
Again, there wasn't much to the story.
It feels good though to create outrage that this poor American boy (man) and his dog was humiliated by the Muslim heretics who were likely nothing more then unsophisticated 3rd world country youths.
Again what's the story? This is your soap box?
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| 9 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 17:48
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2 City Council members have become involved. The police chief has apologized to the community for not running this innocuous ad by the force's "diversity administrator" It's a full retreat.
So what is your point? That the city council members and the police chief are stupid? (I'll agree)
Or that Muslims should try to learn to like dogs (I can go along with that also but then I'm not fond of camels...do I have to be?)
That the article is important?...That's a stretch IMHO, had a bit of Benny Hill to it dinnit?
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| 10 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 18:15
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It's certainly not a watershed moment in geopolitics - it's one small viginette- one of many. You're the one making it out as defining. PD didn't present it that way.
As for the Minnesota teacher - the threat came after other issues with the dog with the Somali students. "Indirect" means the threat to the dog was relayed by a witness to it. That mitigates it how if it's your dog?
Imagine the story is about a Muslim teacher who is ridiculed and threatened over his prayer rug by a bunch of Christian yokels and feels like he can not continue with is position due to that environment. I'm sure your take would be "no big story"
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| 11 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 18:34
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Imagine the story is about a Muslim teacher who is ridiculed and threatened over his prayer rug by a bunch of Christian yokels and feels like he can not continue with is position due to that environment. I'm sure your take would be "no big story"
Not to belabor an already overly weighted issue but...
if the Muslim owned a camel, and the camel was being ridiculed, by unsophisticated redneck American Christians in a primarily Muslim country, then I think your analogy fits and would be just as unimportant as this story.
I mean it's sad it happened, and it's too bad the guy had to stop bringing his dog to the school, but it's not worth shaking our fist.
Do you know much about Somalia? Sincere question.
I don't run into these issues living in a Muslim country. Although I do hear stories as you might hear redneck stories in the rural parts of the USA.
Do they happen? Sure. We can dig them up. Is the story worth dwelling on? Your choice.
I've met too many cool Muslims to let these stories play out as the norm.
Does anyone want to write anything positive about Muslims? I never read anything.
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| 12 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 18:44
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I don't run into these issues living in a Muslim country.
I imagine that's true - don't see a lot of outraged Christians marching around when their feelings are hurt there do you.
Anyeay, you're the only applying this criticism to "muslims" in general.
I don't know oodles about Somalia, jus what I read. I've not been there, if that's what you're asking. What does it matter in this discussion. Is an immigrants disrespect of our values relative? It shouldn't be.
BTW, when are you going to divest yourself of the use all racists epitaths?
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| 13 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 01:38
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BTW, when are you going to divest yourself of the use all racists epitaths?
Oh now look who's all PC... 8-}
I love using the word redneck, it's like breathing, if I had to stop I don't know if I could go on.
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| 14 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 10:33
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Not to dismiss PD's thesis, but the puppy story is a not what it first appeared to be: link
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| 15 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 17:01
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Just frustrating to me that everything I read about Muslims in the American press etc is negative...often justified.
I'm not going to say my experiences the last 2 years have been lovely.
I've met so many good Muslims though. They treat me well, some are friends, they are as puzzled by the freak stories as you and me.
One would think to read American/euro press these other Muslims don't exist. I know that's not what PD intended.
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| 16 | nerveclinic
ID: 5047110
Wed, Jul 02, 2008, 17:14
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Not to dismiss PD's thesis, but the puppy story is a not what it first appeared to be...
Reactions from the earlier enraged posters?
This is exactly what I've been trying to say.
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| 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jun 17, 2010, 11:56
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Norway's PC problem
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