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0 Subject: Fire Marshall Bill

Posted by: Boldwin
- [40850297] Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 12:59

Send in Obama to fix the subprime mortgage mess. I dare ya. Ridiculous.



It's all just too funny. It's a farce.

Eager beaver googlers have only to google Talbot Obama Acorn today to learn just what 'community activist' means in Obama's case.

I'm not even gonna do the work for ya'.

Acorn was in the business of doing the 'Chicago Shakedown' [you know Jesse Jackson so you understand the term] on lenders intimidating them into making bad home/business loans and donating to the radical action group Acorn when Madeleine Talbot discovered Obama and hired him to train her radicals intimidation tactics, power dynamics and Saul 'The Red' Alinski style mob action organizing.

No Obama wasn't in the Senate long enuff to create the subprime mortage fiasco but he's been helping to create the mess his whole professional life outside accedemia.

Put him in there, as he knows all about it. Go ahead.

'Hey, look what I found, there's a wooden sabot in the gears, I guess we'll have to socialize everything'

1tree on the treo
      ID: 236113120
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 17:50
you're cute in your own fuzzy curmudgeon way, baldwin.
2Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 19:18
BTW Pelosi and Reid are insisting that the bailout package send money to Acorn. No matter how hard Reps insist, they just will not allow that measure to be pulled.
3Perm Dude
      ID: 4893020
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 21:09
Yeah, but they are so slimy, they don't even mention them by name anywhere in the bill...
4Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 22:58
5Boldwin
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      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 23:00
6Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 23:25
7Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 00:20
PD#3

I couldn't agree more. Originally the Dems had an exact dollar amount going to Acorn which has been changed to 20% of the profits going to a slush fund named the 'housing Trust Fund' from which Acorn [and other groups like La Raza] will be funded.

Besides sending 'rent-a-mobs' into banks and bank executive neighborhoods to harrass bankers forcing them to make bad loans, Acorn is being sued in 13 states [some called the worst cases of voter fraud in state history] for signing up 'Dick Tracy' and other made up names as a registered voter.

So what we have is Dems holding the nation's economic survival hostage unless Obama voter fraud gets a chunk of the bailout bonanza.

You just don't see chutzpah like that everyday.
8Perm Dude
      ID: 991910
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 01:34
We dealt with a lot of the "ACORN-scam" in the AG thread, as I recall. As far as I can tell, ACORN was, for the most part, the victim in the few cases of attempts to turn in fake voter registration forms.

It is important to note that there was no actual voter fraud. Ever. That's because the voter registration forms weren't for real people who could vote.

Back in 2002, ACORN fought against predatory lending practices. I don't know how this has gotten twisted around to encouraging lower standards for home loans. Wait--I do! The Right needs another dummy to beat up, and this one has the attraction of:

voter fraud (!)
big city Chicago machine politics (!)
minorities stealing public money (!)

Practically the trifecta of GOP political smears for the last 25 years.

The brother of the founder ACORN stole a lot of money from ACORN not long ago. News flash: Obama didn't make him do it.
9Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 02:01
Yeah, that would explain why Acorn is so vehemently against photo voter ID's.
10Perm Dude
      ID: 991910
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 02:13
Yeah, they couldn't be standing up for those who feel it is intrusive. Those who oppose you politically must be corrupt all over, yes?

There are, to my knowledge, 5 (not 38) cases involving ACORN and voting laws:

-Ohio (2006)
-Washington (2007)
-Michigan (2007 or 2008)
-Missouri (2006)
-Colorado (2004 or 2005)

[No Illinois case that I'm aware of].

As was said by the King Country (WA) prosecutor at the time, the case was an example of people trying to find an easy way to get paid--a "vandalism upon the voter rolls." No prosecutors in any of these cases allege that ACORN intended for any ineligible person to vote.

The problem stemed from paying temp wokers to turn in registeration forms for voters without checking them. The temptation to cheat was too high for some of the workers, and without a system to check ACORN was just begging for this kind of thing to happen.

Sproul & Associates (hired by the RNC) on the other hand.... Well, I don't see you talking about them, ever. Now *that* was a voter registration fraud.
11Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 06:20
In Chicago, when the dead register to vote, they show up.
12Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 06:46
Wakeup call:

In case you were wondering what the unspecified 'Yes we can' actually means, now we know...

...it means for starters that the current 350,000 Acorn member rent-a-mob will be fully government funded.
13Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 16:00
02 Present
14Boldwin
      ID: 40850297
      Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 07:37


And the government needs to give a couple billion to this? Why?

If these were Pat Buchanan's boys what would we be hearing? Did the MSM completely get over their reservations over Sliwa's Guardian Angels? I don't want them getting billions from the government either but at least they aren't running around shaking down bankers and intimidating people.
15Boldwin
      ID: 44916136
      Mon, Oct 20, 2008, 03:52
Present
16Boldwin
      ID: 419402022
      Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 16:40
17Boldwin
      ID: 2962619
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 22:07
Democracy is suicidally crazy. There is no hope.

Here's more proof. Chris Shays who was one of the most eliquent and convincing voices in the Banking Committee for beefing up regulation of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac is in a squeaker of a race with a former Goldman Sachs investment banker.

Let's just turn the whole freaking burning building over to Fire Marshall Bill.
18Boldwin
      ID: 2962619
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 04:48
I must have watched that video at the top of the thread a million times by now. If anyone can find a more brilliant and perfect sketch from end to end please post it.

I've watched every other Jim Carey sketch on you-tube and after watching this one sketch they all are weaker. The Vanilla Ice one is remarkable tho.

Tina Fey is in striking distance maybe lately. The Stewart series on MADtv are brilliant.
19Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 18:47
"Let me show ya, show ya somethin, show ya somethin, show ya su..u..um..thin." Obama and Rahm
20Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 18:56
Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, not content until they finish crashing the world's economy, invite self-described 'Bank Terrorist' to testify before congress on how exactly to complete the job.

Perhaps 'the one' will step in with his ACORN big butt and restore sanity...not.
21Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 09:31
The link in #20 has no relationship with the context of the post, which, in itself, is an exercise in incoherent babbling. From the link:

Congress Puts Left-Wing Maniac in Charge of Deliberately Crippling Economy

So, Henry Waxman is a left-wing maniac? The title alone reveals that large amounts of excrement are sure to follow which have little to no bearing on reality. For instance:

The fact that global warming is not real makes no difference to Henry Waxman.

The fact????

To get an idea of how reasonable the guy is, consider that he helped Code Pink funnel $600,000 to the terrorists fighting our troops in Fallujah.

Absolutely unconcerned with facts, which is no shock given the previous sentence. From the link within the link describing Waxman helping terrorists fighting our troops in Fallujah:

Waxman had written a letter addressed to the American ambassador in Amman, Jordan to help ease transit through Customs of $600,000 worth of medical supplies and cash collected by the anti-American groups Code Pink and Global Exchange.

Those of us who care about history and reality will remember that the seige of Fallujah was based on removing the population from the city so that they could live as refugees in squalor in the desert, maybe with a tent, maybe not. At least a hundred thousand people, who all must be described as terrorists in order to satisfy the pro-Americans responsible for writing this fiction. How they can turn a humanitarian effort into sounding like Waxman was helping to arm Al-Qaeda is beyond the capability of any rational human being.

Are people supposed to be impressed by these new examples of 'conservative principles'? Intentional lies and distortions and claims of fact which belie the very meaning of the word?

The post is embarrassing. Frank and Dodd didn't invite any self-described 'Bank Terrorist' to testify before congress. Characterizing Waxman as a self-described 'Bank Terrorist' is simply lying. Please show me a quote where Waxman describes himself as a 'Bank Terrorist.'

And the obligatory reference to ACORN, as if that supports any of the falsehoods spewed in the first sentence, is a good example of Moonbattery, though not in the sense you'd like it to.

22Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 10:13
I linked to the permalink above my target instead of below it. It should have read.

This is the guy Barney Frank and Chris Dodd call before congress for advice on how to procede...
Bruce Marks, founder of the leftist Neighborhood Assistance Corp. of America, makes a good living shaking down banks for loans to deadbeat borrowers that he thinks are entitled to homes.

Last month, he and about 100 urban protesters stormed Fannie Mae's headquarters, demanding it stop foreclosures on subprime houses — the same homes his group pressured Fannie to fund.

As usual, the bullying tactics worked: Fannie Mae is now reviewing every foreclosure, while increasing the number of mortgages it restructures by lowering interest rates and extending loan terms to make payments more affordable. The government-backed firm guarantees some 30% of the nation's outstanding mortgages.

Marks founded Boston-based NACA last decade to fulfill his warped sense of the American dream. He thinks owning a home is a right, not a goal. And he thinks every American should have a house — even those who can't pay for one.

Marks, who proudly calls himself a bank terrorist, has extorted billions of dollars from Citigroup and other large banks to subsidize uncreditworthy borrowers in the inner city, where he accused the banks of "redlining."
23Perm Dude
      ID: 36100229
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 10:17
He stands up for the poor. Damn him!
24Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 11:39
Fine, you posted the wrong link. So let's hear your opinion of the blog post you did link to, the one that calls Waxman a left-wing mainiac and supports that claim with:

The fact that global warming is not real makes no difference to Henry Waxman. To get an idea of how reasonable the guy is, consider that he helped Code Pink funnel $600,000 to the terrorists fighting our troops in Fallujah.

After reading that bit of fiction, why would anyone but the most rabid consumers of fallacious political nonsense even bother to peruse Moonbattery for pertinent information?
25Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 17:45
We've had many go arounds about global warming and my position is still the same as the founder of 'The Weather Channel'. It's a hoax.
26Boldwin
      ID: 421172615
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 19:58
Here's a great idea. Let's give the Chris Dodd's of the world the power to force every last mortgage lender to hand out bad loans to the poor.

Because he didn't quite finish the job with the first sledgehammer to the system.
27DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 21:54
I'm always bemused that people like you seem to believe (I almost said "think" but that's the wrong word) that the banks are basically blameless in this.
28Boldwin
      ID: 421172615
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 22:18
The banks weren't doing anything Barney Frank and Chris Dodd's committee wasn't either allowing or ordering them to do.
29Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 22:58
Right. They forced the banks to become greedy bastards.

Somehow I think the bankers were hired for the same biases that got them into trouble. They didn't need to have your Democratic whipping boys do so during the Bush Administration.
30Boldwin
      ID: 421172615
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 17:52
What makes them any greedier than anyone else? Say tax collectors, or consultants or democrats?
31Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 18:09
Or Republicans? Nothing at all. That's really the point. No one made them greedy.
32Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 18:07
Understanding the Financial Crisis

To understand it you have to understand the Managed Funds Association

They call themselves the alternative investment community and they are basically anti-investors. They are anti-capitalists betting against capitalism. And they are in the White House and in the driver's seat.
The hedge fund short sellers looted $11 trillion from the U.S. economy. They walk away with all our invested capital and they walk away with the intrinsic profit from devalued home mortgages (our homes) through short selling. Yet, no one goes to jail. Why? Answer: they are too chummy with the Obama administration. The looters have been given a seat at the table in the White House. They are being protected by our government.

If they are left unchecked, the worst will be still to come. We will be witnessing the complete collapse of the capitalist system. And that means more profits for the hedge fund short sellers.

The collapse of the U.S. economy began in 2008 and is, as I state in my book Wizards of Wall Street, just the first phase of the plot to destroy capitalism and impose socialism on the American people.

The subsequent phases of the plot are now upon us, and are being implemented, beginning with the health care reform bill. The financial reform bill, the cap and trade bill, the card check bill, and the immigration reform bill are now on the agenda.

All of these "reform" bills are part of an orchestrated attack on freedom, liberty and justice. They have been written in order to transform America from capitalism to socialism -- to dilute and change the political and economic structure of America.

As an immigrant who came to America to achieve success, I understand the stakes, perhaps more than most. This is a fight to save America, to save capitalism and protect us from the disaster of socialism.

I know that the liberals, who say they want to help the poor, think that the solution is socialism. But socialism never helps the poor; it only traps them indefinitely in poverty. You will never have a rags-to-riches story in a socialist economy. Liberation from poverty is only possible through capitalism.

The economic success of China did not come from socialism, but rather from capitalism.

The Chinese Communists authorize capitalist ventures to sustain socialism in their country. Without capitalism, socialism cannot survive.

It is the wealth generated from capitalism that sustains socialism. Socialism does not produce wealth, only capitalism does.

The only wealth associated with socialism is the wealth the socialists have stolen from the capitalists, through seizure, confiscation and redistribution of the capitalists' wealth.

Once there is no more wealth left to seize, confiscate, or redistribute, socialism dies.

Socialism has a perfect record of failure.
So after they crashed the system, they are going to be scrutinized more now, right? Wrong.
A trade group representing hedge funds spent nearly $1.1 million in the fourth quarter lobbying federal officials on proposed financial regulations, including a measure that would require hedge funds to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
The $1.08 million that the Managed Funds Association spent on lobbying in the latest quarter was about double the $520,000 it spent in the period a year earlier. The group's lobbying total for the latest quarter also tops the $910,000 it spent the previous quarter.
Unlike mutual funds and money-market funds, hedge funds don't have to register with the SEC and thus don't have to disclose who runs them, how much money they manage and what securities they buy.
Hedge funds, which cater to institutional investors and wealthy individuals, have fended off past attempts to regulate them. They sued, for example, to overturn an SEC push to register them in 2005. But they have come under closer scrutiny after the financial crisis in 2008 and early 2009.

Is it any surprise that hedge funds will escape new reforms in the Dodd bill currently working its way through the house and senate? What I find interesting is that the average investors money will be penalized in the regulatory reform (mutual funds) but not hedge funds for the wealthy (by having their account minimum in the millions) will be exempt from the rules. The small investor gets screwed again. They were screwed by the distorted markets caused by the reckless investments by hedge funds made in the 2000's that led to the credit market meltdown as the collateral damage worked it way through all the markets trampling the small investor. Now we tie down the small investor with new restrictions while letting the hedge funds roam free once again through out the market.

I have one question. When the next bubble bursts will capitalism (if you can still call it that - it looks more like oligarchy and fascism's love child) still stand? Could this be where we are in the next market crisis.
33sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 18:12
? Boldwin? Where have you been? The economic collapse BEGAN, when the housing bubble burst. Said bubble was allowed to happen, when a Rep Congress and a Dem pres; repealed te Glass-Steagall Act and "modernized" our financial services industry. This was then exacerbated, by GWB and his relaxing of remaining regulatory features. ALL of which, occured well before Obama was even a national figure.

As bili (IIRC) has repeatedly posted here abouts; how can you CLAIM to be "pro business", while screaming at the tops of your lungs to pull money OUT of stocks (market capital) and put it into precious metals (hoarding)?

And you are trying to lay this at the feet of the sitting Pres??????????
34Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:02
Where have you been? The economic collapse BEGAN, when the housing bubble burst

And there was Chris Dodd at the center of both prongs of the attack. Creating and defending the subprime fiasco from his seat on the banking committee, and preventing proper oversight of vultures like Soros today.
35Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:03
while screaming at the tops of your lungs to pull money OUT of stocks (market capital) and put it into precious metals (hoarding)?

Where did I do that?
36sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:05
Except that the Modernization Act, was authored by Sen Graham Rep SC; Representative Leach Rep IA and Representative Bliley Rep VA.

Sort of ignoring that minor detail, aren't you?

wiki
37Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:06
Your purpose is really to step all over post #32 hoping no one reads it.
38sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:06
re 35...perhaps YOU haven't; but your heroes (Beck et al) most certainly have been.

Don't try and throw all blame at Dems, when your much beloved republicans are at LEAST if not more, complicit.
39sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:09
...they are basically anti-investors. They are anti-capitalists betting against capitalism.

this is the very thing being done by Beck and others, when they tell people to get their money out of stocks and into gold.

Further (re your allegation in 37); when a writer starts with such a fraudulent premise/basis; the rest of what he has to say becomes immediately suspect.
40Perm Dude in Denver
      ID: 37340716
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:22
Now we are blaming short sellers for things?

In particular, only the subset of hedge fund short sellers?

So the problem isn't the fact that "financial managers" tried financial tricks and shortcuts to get more and more slices of fees, or that they would re-bundle mortgages with the sole intent of hiding their risk levels, or that they were selling financial products to people who shouldn't have been buying them? Rather, the problem lies with the small number of people who not only told the financial companies of the risks that they were taking with the market, but were willing to put up their own money to bet against the "experts?" And were, in fact, the only ones who were actually correct in their market predictions?

Taking it another step further, the people who were correct in their market predictions should not be hired by the government because....?
41Biliruben movin
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 19:59
Only stupidshit sheep Need apply. What a load a lamb
manure.
42Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 20:31
Taking it another step further, the people who were correct in their market predictions should not be hired by the government because....?

When George Soros broke the bank of England they didn't make him Chancellor of the Exchequer.
43Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 20:34
Don't try and throw all blame at Dems, when your much beloved republicans are at LEAST if not more, complicit. Sarge, 33rd degree non-mason

I have pointed out that the globalist influence driving the USA to insolvency, loss of sovereignty, etc lies on both sides of the isle twice as long as you have been posting here. So STFU pretending that means it isn't happening.

44sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 20:43
roflmao
You cry "marxist" with every other post.
You whine about Soros, in about 20% of your posts.
You quote discredited sources, in a third of your posts.
You lambast Clinton whenever possible, despite his being out of office for a decade now.
And you DARE tell me to STFU??????

Can even YOU, not see the absurdity there?

46Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 21:31
*counting the posts until troll swarm again points out neocons do it too so it must not be happening*
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