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0 Subject: What an amazing day - the Obama inauguration

Posted by: Tree
- [1311551521] Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 11:38

watching various coverages of the inauguration.

this truly is an incredible, historical day in our nation's history, and one we really all should be proud of.

days like today help me keep the faith that this nation is among the greatest in the world, and a leader and role model to nations that strive for equality and democracy..
1jedman
      ID: 552262217
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:17
The transition of power in such a peaceful, orderly fashion makes me proud to be a citizen of this country. No matter your political persuasion, today is a day to celebrate what makes America great.
2Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:31
amen jedman, amen. i said the exact same thing to my girlfriend as we watched Obama speak.
3C1-NRB
      ID: 2911103011
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:40
The transition of power in such a peaceful, orderly fashion makes me proud to be a citizen of this country. No matter your political persuasion, today is a day to celebrate what makes America great.

Absolutley.
4Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:46
Amazing stuff. And a great speech by Obama.
5nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:47


I was pretty surprised how militant the speech was in some places. He was definitely telling the world not to think they can F*** with the USA just because he's President. He seemed to be making a conscious effort to make that statement. I was actually a bit taken back by how militant it was.

As usual, great delivery...except for the oath...
6boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:49
why do we have poems and benedictions? Lame!

The transition of power in such a peaceful, orderly fashion makes me proud to be a citizen of this country. No matter your political persuasion, today is a day to celebrate what makes America great.

and to think they thought that was not possible to change governments every 4 or 8 years. It is good thing they were wrong.
7Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:57
I actually know Elizabeth Alexander, and the delivery of the poem was as pretentious as I thought it might be. Good poem, great finish, but the delivery was a bit too self-conscious for my taste.

Funny ending of the benediction, however.
8nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 13:01


Now CNN is saying it was actually Justice Roberts who screwed up the oath, he said the sentence backward and Obama knew it and that's why he froze.

9Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 14:02
The attention and enthusiasm for this inauguration is certainly extremely refreshing. While perhaps a great deal of it has to do with President Obama's racial background, IMO anything that gets the masses talking, watching, paying attention and just plain caring is a positive thing.
10walk
      ID: 181472714
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 14:23
Our big, Euro-owned, investment/private bank showed the inauguration live in two different auditoriums, with an email indicating it was okay for employees to take the time to watch (if it did not interfere with client meetings and you had managerial approval; naturally). Standing room only, and people gave loud cheers several times for Obama. Some laughter at a few of Bush's close-up's.
11Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 15:11
And I'm proud to be an American...
12Jag
      ID: 460211812
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:09
I missed the speech, the Sci-Fi channel is having a Star Trek Enterprise marathon and I also needed to do the laundry. Oh well.
13boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:15
The attention and enthusiasm for this inauguration is certainly extremely refreshing. While perhaps a great deal of it has to do with President Obama's racial background, IMO anything that gets the masses talking, watching, paying attention and just plain caring is a positive thing.

nothing atracks a crowd like a crowd.
14tree on the treo
      ID: 521142259
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:35
jag - sorry you missed history being made, and you missed one of the greatest and most important moments in this nation's history....
15Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:47
boikin: I don't think people came there, by and large, because there was a crowd. People came there and sat in the cold for hours to witness history being made.

Don't sell short the significance that today had for many, particularly African-Americans. For older African-Americans in particular, in their lifetimes to know and speak with former slaves, to suffer the indignity of not being able to eat at a lunch counter, and then to see an African-American take the oath of office as President, today was a life affirming date and one they will remember the rest of their lives.

It might not be important to you or Jag, but don't for a moment try to pass this off as some kind of ordinary day or ignore that today might have real significance for many other citizens.
16weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:58
Now CNN is saying it was actually Justice Roberts who screwed up the oath, he said the sentence backward and Obama knew it and that's why he froze.

Of course CNN would point out something like that....they cant allow for their guy to make a mistake.
If the same thing had happened to Bush there is no doubt in my mind CNN would be pointing out how rude it was to correct a supreme court judge.

For the sake of the country I hope he is successful.
I hope we can get past this nauseating honeymoon period soon.
Enough with all the gushing already.
Time to move on deal with some very tough issues.

"One of the greateast and most important moments in this nations history"?
What is your time frame?
10 days?
And here I thought you knew more about US history than that.
17Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 16:59
Obama didn't correct him. He just froze when unexpected words were said by the Chief Justice.
18Baldwin
      ID: 360281920
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 17:03
I'm willing to accept CNN's take on it but if this was Dan Quayle in the exact same situation it would be a completely different take from them.
19nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 17:35

I'm willing to accept CNN's take on it but if this was Dan Quayle in the exact same situation it would be a completely different take from them.

I've seen Barack Obama speak and I've seen Dan Quayle speak, and Dan Quayle is no Barack Obama.

20jedman
      ID: 552262217
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 17:54
The transition of power is a great thing and today is an historic day, I am proud to be an American.
I am willing to accept the CNN story on the oath gaff, it's no big deal and should just be forgotten.

I was not moved by the speech listening online. He is a great orator, but I didn't think the ideas flowed real well. I did like the part about not messing with us because we will win.

Now the honeymoon ends and governing begins.

That is the part I am concerned about, but as I've said in the past, I will be happy to admit being wrong and see our country pulled out of our financial problems. I just don't think growing government is going to solve it.
21Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 18:04
I don't think people are as concerned about the size of government as whether it does what it is supposed to.

The kick-in-the-pants about Bush is that he exploded the size of government (in all areas: budget, employees, scope) but we all seemed to feel that government was actually doing less with more money.
22jedman
      ID: 552262217
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 18:20
My concern is cutting all the waste in government. There has to be so much fat that can be cut out and yet I don't think that will happen. We are so out of whack financially and cuts have to be made someplace, federal, state, and local. We can't just keep printing money and throwing it at the problem. It's like individuals that keep getting different credit cards to pay their bills. Eventually you have to pay for it.

Bush's presidency just kept going downhill for me as the years went on. I am grateful that we have been safe, I give him credit for that. I don't think he will ever be given full credit for that. Fiscally, he was not good and spent way too much for my liking.
23Baldwin
      ID: 360281920
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 18:44
Life lesson for republicans. You may try and cultivate a 'compassionate' image and counter the usual deranged slander by caving in to every spending demand, but there is not enuff splurging in the world that could make the MSM love a republican. A republican could spend the income of twenty generations on liberal giveaways and still not win them over.

Better to stick to principle and let them yammer.

24Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 19:40
So Republicans ran up huge deficits as part of an image makeover?
25Perm Dude
      ID: 12021208
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 19:49
1.8 million very cold people. No arrests.
26Razor
      ID: 181051618
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 20:54
Baldwin is not big on the Republican Party taking any sort of responsibility for their failures. Kind of ironic in that regard, since they are allegedly the party of personal responsibility.
27jedman
      Dude
      ID: 315192219
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 21:06
I read Baldwin's post differently. I think he is saying the Republican
party has to take full responsibility for their failures, principally not
adhering to the conservative philosophy of fiscal responsibility.
Bush spent way too much money and yet that did nothing to win
over those more on the left.
28Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 21:17
Its disingenuous. B knows that the government expanded most under a Republican majority in Congress, a period during which the minority party was largely shut out of the process.
29jedman
      Dude
      ID: 315192219
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 21:41
Do you think Obama and a Democrat majority in both houses will
spend less than Bush did? I hope so but I'm doubtful. I guess it's
hard to tell right away because there is so much already earmarked
to spend with the bailouts. What will it take for our government to
finally slow down the spending? I mean, at some point, doesn't it
have to?
30Baldwin
      ID: 360281920
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 22:25
So Republicans ran up huge deficits as part of an image makeover? - PD

Tricky

You condemn republicans for not reaching across the aisle and compromising all the time, but if they do it's just for show.

But in this case Bush isn't a real republican. He's part of the big government [biggest of governments actually] globalist neocons who hijacked the party.

Honestly I think he has some personal conservative sympathies but they are entirely out of keeping with the family plan, the skull and bones who hold his leash, the elite who fund the family political campaigns. If he has any genuine conservative impulses they get overwhelmed.
31Baldwin
      ID: 360281920
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 22:32
Its disingenuous. B knows that the government expanded most under a Republican majority in Congress - MITH

MITH is being disingenuous. He knows perfectly well that the landscape was different back then.

Reagan vetoed spending plenty if I recall correctly, but beyond that the only way he could get his program of defeating the evil empire was by making tradeoffs with dems and giving them their domestic spending.

MITH, you aren't actually trying to sell the idea that Reagan engaged in profligate social spending? So who was it that pushed for the bread part of the 'bread and guns' spending?
32Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 22:51
MITH is being disingenuous. He knows perfectly well that the landscape was different back then.

Reagan vetoed spending plenty if I
blahblahblah

B is experiencing an episode of dementia. The 108th and 109th Congresses were IN THIS DECADE.
33Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 22:57
Jedman
Do you think Obama and a Democrat majority in both houses will spend less than Bush did?

No. like it or not the plan is to spend our way out of our economic woes. It isn't some hidden agenda.
34Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 22:59
What will it take for our government to finally slow down the spending?

National mindset. Dominant economic philosophies are cyclical.
35Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 23:01
WK - "One of the greateast and most important moments in this nations history"?
What is your time frame?
10 days?
And here I thought you knew more about US history than that.


our nations history goes back to about 1776, give or take a few.

what happened today, on a larger scale, only happened 43 times previously, and NEVER with an african-american, who, 45 years ago, would have had a tough time eating at the same lunch counter as me, or, even voting.

and today, an african american is president.

THAT qualifies as great and important.

jedman -
I will be happy to admit being wrong and see our country pulled out of our financial problems.

i appreciate hearing this from SOMEONE who leans to the conservative side of things. that's all anyone is asking - give Obama a chance, and offer him praise if he deserves it.
36C.SuperFreak
      ID: 4511481822
      Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 23:46
As a Canadian watching from Canada I can honestly say it was a fantastic day for the US. A day for US citizens to be proud of. And sure I could point out few issues about the day, but holy crap, who didn't get goosebumps watching Obama taking the oath. A significant milestone in US history.

I hope that the Rep and Dems can set aside their differences, work together, and rebuild your magnificent country.

PD #15 well said.

cheers!
37Razor
      ID: 181051618
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 00:13
Of course CNN would point out something like that....they cant allow for their guy to make a mistake.
If the same thing had happened to Bush there is no doubt in my mind CNN would be pointing out how rude it was to correct a supreme court judge.

For the sake of the country I hope he is successful.
I hope we can get past this nauseating honeymoon period soon.
Enough with all the gushing already.
Time to move on deal with some very tough issues.

"One of the greateast and most important moments in this nations history"?
What is your time frame?
10 days?
And here I thought you knew more about US history than that.


Two ignorant comments in one post.

The Presidential Oath isn't important or anything. I mean, it's written in the Constitution, but I don't see why the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court should know that. It takes a lot of gall for someone to hold it against Obama for saying the oath correctly and to give Roberts a pass when reading the oath to Obama was his only job today.

As for your lack of belief that the inauguration of a black man as President of the United States represents historic day, pphhtt. And the rest of the country pphhtt's too.
38nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 01:47

Of course CNN would point out something like that....they cant allow for their guy to make a mistake.

Why would they, it was Roberts mistake?

From the AP Next in the oath, which is enshrined in the Constitution, is the phrase "... that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States." But Roberts rearranged the order of the words, not saying "faithfully" until after "president of the United States."


39weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 02:12
Razor:

You are the last person on these forums who should be using words like ignorance.
When I read your posts "King of ignorance" comes to mind.

I fully understand the significance that this is our first black president.
However, in the context of all on the significant events of this country it doesnt make the top 100 list.

The real tragedy of Jan. 20th, 2009 is that it came one day after MLK day.
In King's famous speech he said:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

One day later all we are talking about is the color/significance of a man's skin.

40Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 06:48
King was not afraid to acknowledge progress. Given the number of times I've seen the claim from the anti-patriotic far right that yesterday somehow dishonored MLK, you'd think MLK only uttered one sentence in his life.
But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."
Yes of course King would have cherished the moment and celebrated in the achievement.
41Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 07:41
WK - The real tragedy of Jan. 20th, 2009 is that it came one day after MLK day.
In King's famous speech he said:

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

One day later all we are talking about is the color/significance of a man's skin.


exactly.

the point is that no one is judging Obama by the color of his skin, but rather his character.

discussing his skin color is not the same as judging him by it. they are vastly, vastly different.

there is a reason TV cameras kept zooming in on Georgia congressman John Lewis yesterday.

Probably more than most people alive, Lewis knows deeply and profoundly the significance of an African-American being elected president. If you don't know his history, and what we went through in the first 30 or so years of his life, look him up.

You know he was a proud, proud man yesterday, and it had everything to do with what a black can do today, compared to what could happen to a black man 45 years ago, for simply walking down the street.
42Frick
      ID: 3410551012
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 08:33
I didn't vote for Obama, but I hope he does an amazing job. Why wouldn't you hope he does well? We all live in the same country, if you don't want him to do well, you are rooting against yourself, which seems petty.

I can't decide if yesterday was a historical or not. In some regards electing a black president, is truly remarkable, in other regards it shows a lack of progress for racial integration.

The one thing that concerns me is the pure admiration that Barack seems to inspire in people. I don't recall the same type of fawning over Bush being elected, but I didn't pay as much attention back then.

Regardless, I hope he does a great job.
43weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 09:18
Exactly on the money Frick.

The same people who are fawning and gushing over everything that Obama does are the same people who did everything they could to undermine president Bush and by extension the country.
And now the same hypocrites want to play the good of the country card.
44Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 09:32
Please provide some examples of "gushing and fawning" committed by people who sought to undermine President Bush and the country.


Prediction: If weykool attempts an answer on his own it will be one that confuses the concepts of "undermining" something and simply "opposing" it.
45biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 09:45
I am sure I expressed skepticism at the time that Bush and the requisite character and intelligence for the position.

That skepticism was quite obviously warranted. His character blackened the soul of our country, as he appointed a legion of incompetents and worse and allowed our ethics to be compromised in far-reaching ways. His lack of depth of understanding of complex issues and his reliance on simple mantras have brought our country to the brink.

There is a difference between warranted and unwarranted criticism.
46sarge33rd
      ID: 42041218
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 09:51
The true signifigance; I believe it was Washington DCs Mayor who said it;

"My kids, will never know having grown up in a country that hadn't had an African-American President."

Like those Germans now who are under about age 18 or so, never knew a time when there were 2 Germanies.

The signifigance and inherent alteration in perspective that entails; simply can not be denied.
47Razor
      ID: 56038210
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:06
I wonder what would make the top 100 on weykool's list of most significant events in American history in front of Obama's inauguration? I have to admit, I am ignorant on this.
48boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:06
I can't decide if yesterday was a historical or not. In some regards electing a black president, is truly remarkable, in other regards it shows a lack of progress for racial integration.

would it had been less or more historical had it been a women? Given the underlying demographics of the country the odds of not having a woman president is much less likely that to have never have had black president.
49Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:59
The same people who are fawning and gushing over everything that Obama does are the same people who did everything they could to undermine president Bush and by extension the country.

You're leaving out a huge part of the equation.

Bush isn't a real republican. He's part of the big government [biggest of governments actually] globalist neocons who hijacked the party. - Baldwin

It's not just Obama supporters who long ago abandoned Bush, to the point of denying him his place at the table of conservatism.

John McCain ran as fast as he could from any association with Bush during the campaign, but the far right doesn't consider McCain a conservative or even much of a Republican.

It's almost funny that the leaders of today's so-called conservative movement, whose mantra is that the MSM is stacked against them, are themselves part of the MSM, not Republican politicians.

Who are the respected and oft-quoted heroes of the far right? Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Michele Malkin, Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly to name a few of the top stars. These pundits, opinionists, satirists and authors are as much a part of the MSM as Katy Couric and Matt Lauer. To different degrees, these leaders of conservatism and the Republican Party abandoned support for Bush soon after the 2004 election, they ravaged almost every single Republican candidate running for the top job in 2008, and now their message is sabotage the new president in every way possible and denounce any Republican who even gives the appearance of cooperation or bipartisanship.

IMO, some of the same people who did everything they could to undermine president Bush and by extension the country are the same people who are doing everything they can to undermine President Obama and, by extension, the country.



50boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 11:19
Good post PV, am i missing the meaning of MSM hear though?
51walk
      ID: 181472714
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 11:38
#45, bili, WORD. Sums it up.

Now we'll see how Obama does. He was handed a big, Big, BIg, BIG mess, and I hope he can fix it. His style leading up to yesterday is clearly different, being more open, less idealogical, and less arrogant than the previous administration. That's a good start, IMO.
52nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 12:30


I will say this about the inauguration, I was watching it on CNN and thy really do treat the guy like a deity.

I know it was this great historical day with the first black President etc. but the way they reported you would have thought the clouds had parted and Christ had descended from the sky.

I guess everyone is looking for the next JFKennedy-esque leader.

53walk
      ID: 181472714
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 12:32
And we need it!

I think you are right in your observations, NC. Now, let's see how he is treated based on the outcomes of his decisions. I hope fairly, and that includes criticism.
54Frick
      ID: 3410551012
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 12:58
Re 52: I agree wholeheartedly. He's still human and he will make mistakes. I'm curious to see how long the honeymoon lasts.

Re 48: I think it is a huge step forward for the country. Is it a historic day? By making it a historic day, are we saying that racism is still present and real vs. saying it's another president and his race is irrelevent.

I'm young enough that I never saw segregation, so maybe some of the signifigance is lost on me.
55Razor
      ID: 56038210
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 13:15
How can the significance be lost on anyone? 150 years ago, blacks were enslaved. 50 years ago, blacks were segregated from whites. When Barack Obama was born, the Civil Rights Act had not been passed and blacks were still being overtly and legally discriminated against.
56nerveclinic
      ID: 26107108
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 13:15

By making it a historic day, are we saying that racism is still present and real vs. saying it's another president and his race is irrelevent.

Not really in the context of your point but man racism is alive and well in America to the point I am honestly shocked.

Because I am in Dubai I am getting a lot of my "TV" from the internet. Sites like Justin TV and others. These sites use half the screen for the image and the other half for a "chat" about what is going on.

Even before yesterday the level of racism is nothing short of shocking. Even during football games extremely offensive racist language and lots of it used in reference to Obama.

Yesterday I was watching CNN on Justin TV and there were chatters throughout the day going on about N**** this and Ni**** that. Lots of "fried chicken" remarks. Incredibly graphic comments about his mother having sex with n*****'s.

This isn't isolated to yesterday, it goes on all the time on these TV chat sites, during NFL games for example. It's prevalent, it's graphic and it woke me up to the fact that gross racism is still alive and well and is pervasive.


57Baldwin
      ID: 360281920
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 16:41
Where was Hillary?
58Perm Dude
      ID: 410112116
      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 12:56
A nice series of images here.
59Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 13:44
Where was Hillary?

where were you?
60Perm Dude
      ID: 410112116
      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 14:51
David Horowitz (!) putting a good conservative face on the inauguration.
61Perm Dude
      ID: 47047238
      Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 16:10
Massive picture of the inauguration

Includes Yo-Yo Ma taking a picture himself.
62Razor
      ID: 56038210
      Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 16:52
Clarence Thomas is very clearly asleep in that photo.
63Boldwin
      ID: 13057258
      Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 17:27
Had that effect on me too.
64Perm Dude
      ID: 47047238
      Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 17:41
Heh. Scalia is thinking about sausages.

Bush looks a little pissed, but he's clapping. He's got a nice chair, too.
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