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Subject: Brownshirts and Chaingangs
Posted by: Baldwin
- [38241203] Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 05:05
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| 1 | Nerveclinic
ID: 480171611
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 06:29
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Your a funny guy B.
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| 2 | Baldwin
ID: 38241203
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 07:51
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Funny?
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| 3 | Tree
ID: 61411921
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:23
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no, THIS is funny...
not as funny as the first post, but funny...
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| 4 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:29
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Well first of all it's WND and it's hard to make heads or tails of fact and fiction. They blend rumor with fact until I have a hard time understanding what I am reading.
As far as Obama's mention of a national security force as big as military? It not going to happen. it's not even possible with the deficits we are running.
My guess is it was a poor choice of words and exaggeration.
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| 5 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:47
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Your funny because of these hysterical headlines you come up with.
I can only begin to imagine what it's lie around your house. What would you do if you didn't have all this to wring your hands about? Yo wouldn't know what to do with yourself. I'm guessing you must be bald because you've obviously pulled all your hair out by now.
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| 6 | Perm Dude.
ID: 7257237
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:57
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Do we really have to recycle discredited fear mongering from the campaign just because Baldwin refuses to believe the truth.
Step 1: Baldwin posts a wild-eyed "proof" of Obama's plans for socialist/nazi/dictatorial power.
Step 2: PD posts full o'facts rebuttal link.
Step 3: Baldwin ignores it.
Step 4: See step 1
Brownshirts?
Badwin has turned into a tool. Manipulated by far-right scare-tactic web sites, his Jesus is weeping.
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| 7 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:08
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PD there is the video clip of Obama stating we need a national security force as big, and as well funded as the USA military. I'm hopeful Obama mispoke. If he didn't I would find it a little disturbing.
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| 8 | Perm Dude.
ID: 7257237
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:13
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This video?
You can see that that video is only a snippet--20 seconds. That's so the material can be taken out of context. The FactCheck link I provided in #6 gives a transcript of that speech (from July).
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| 9 | Pancho Villa
ID: 42220236
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:23
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The WND article refers to the House Bill, which passed overwhelmingly with bi-partisan support 321-105. It's strange how the WND article uses quotation marks, then fails to credit them, such as
consider whether "a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people" should be developed.
Are those words in quotation marks actually part of the bill. It's unclear. Do Congressional bills usually ask questions of consideration about whether things shoul be developed?
Then I clicked on the link for the word uniforms, which is a shopping site for mostly NFL jerseys. I was expecting to see brownshirts, modeled by goose-stepping youth. What a disappointment.
There's no mention of the Senate bill in the WND article, possibly because it's co-sponsored(along with Ted Kennedy) by longtime conservative stalwart(and my senator) Orrin Hatch.
Washington » Spurred on by President Barack Obama, Congress is quickly advancing Hatch-Kennedy legislation that would greatly expand community-service programs and the education stipends provided to participants.
A Senate committee signed off Wednesday on the Serve America Act, which enjoys broad bipartisan support and could come up for a full Senate vote next week. The House passed a similar bill Wednesday 321-105.
The legislation, sponsored by Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch and Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy, would triple the number of AmeriCorps positions, creating 175,000 new opportunities to help low-income Americans in areas such as health care, clean energy and education.
"Volunteer service is the lifeblood of our nation," Hatch said. "It brings out the best in our people and strengthens our communities."
The SLC Tribune article doesn't reference anything along the lines of mandatory participation, but then the Tribune, unlike WND, has a standard of journalistic integrity to uphold.
The Trib article does report that the bill is not without its critics.
That price tag irritated many House Republicans, including Utah's Jason Chaffetz, who voted against the legislation. He didn't like the idea of federal dollars paying people to volunteer.
"Paid volunteer programs sounds like an oxymoron to me," he said.
Utah GOP Rep. Rob Bishop also voted against the bill. Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson supported it.
Hatch has tried to counter these Republican criticisms, saying the AmeriCorps' paid volunteers, who receive small amounts, then recruit unpaid helpers.
"In the long run, I believe the Serve America Act will allow communities to help themselves," Hatch said, "meaning the government will ultimately be asked to do less and less."
Hatch and Kennedy began work on this bill more than two years ago. Even the WND article admits that the bill reauthorizes through 2014 the National and Community Service Act of 1990 and the Domestic Volunteer Service
Act of 1973, acts that originally, among other programs, funded the AmeriCorps and the National Senior Service Corps
WND's problem appears to be "new programs and studies", again quotation marks without accredidation.
Baldwin asks,
It's either voluntary or it's not.
Unless you can provide something other than speculative hysteria, it is voluntary. Let's see actual quotes from opposing Congressman(like I provided), or explicit wording in either the House or Senate bill that service is mandatory.
Many, however, are raising concerns that the program, which is intended to include 250,000 "volunteers," is the beginning of what President Obama called his "National Civilian Security Force"
Many is a meaningless word here. It could mean the staff at WND. It could mean those pundits who will write or say anything negative about Obama. It could mean people who start threads with titles like
Education:The Destruction of America
Postmodernism for the Masses
Acorn Watch
Brownshirts and Chain Gangs
What you're doing isn't politics. Politics would entail a presentation of the bill and a debate on its merits, pros and cons. Now I'll wait for the standard response like,
Let me know how it feels when they bus a mob onto your lawn
Would you find it acceptable for the government to take your kids away permanently if they refuse to answer intrusive questionaires?
Globalists are all working for the same thing
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| 10 | Boxman
ID: 3821468
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:52
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As far as Obama's mention of a national security force as big as military? It not going to happen. it's not even possible with the deficits we are running.
Me thinks when The Bammer says "as well funded as" (or something like that) he probably doesn't mean a brazillion dollars like the defense department gets but well funded in the sense that the project can achieve its goals as a result of its funding?
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| 11 | walk
ID: 181472714
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 14:24
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Brazilian dollars?
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| 12 | Baldwin
ID: 38241203
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 15:57
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You guys just don't get that the ACORN model has been his lifetime work in progress and the idea of an ACORN the size of the military is his wetdream.
I personally have no doubt he isn't stopping there. If it is at all politically possible, and the media will pull every trick in the book to make it so, he will put every last american on a mandatory volunteer work group.
Yeah, he means it.
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| 13 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 16:06
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Brazilian dollars?
It's less then Gazzilion, but still a nice chunk of change.
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| 14 | tree on the treo
ID: 22235210
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 19:31
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the media will pull every trick in the book.
I am so sick of that line of bull$hit and only a true idiot would continue to repeat....this whole media conspiracy you jerk off to gave GW Bush a free ride as he led us into war, financial dire straits, and the lowest points in this country's history.
jesus. it's like dealing with a robot who vomits up what he hears on the radio...
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| 15 | Pancho Villa
ID: 42220236
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 13:35
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Michele Malkin
chimes in on the GIVE and SERVE bills in a much more responsible manner than Baldwin, giving lots of figures as to where the money is scheduled to go and clears up my question as to the word "mandatory," which does appear in the House version, though in a very murky way:
Especially troublesome to parents' groups concerned about compulsory volunteerism requirements is a provision in the House version directing Congress to explore "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic and educational backgrounds."
Since the quotations begin prior to directing Congress to explore, it's difficult to fully understand the context, but it's still major cause for concern.
And while Malkin does refrain from paranoid screeching about brownshirts and chain gangs, she does dabble in a favorite Baldwinism by evoking George Soros in a completely generic and disconnected way.
It is essentially a special taxpayer-funded pipeline for radical liberal groups backed by billionaire George Soros that masquerade as public-interest do-gooders.
She gives no details or examples, but you get the picture. Now, for true examples of Baldwinisms, I discovered this site.
Obama 'Brownshirts' Bill Now Working Its Way Through The Senate
This dangerous bill is unquestionably[unquestionably? sounds like brownshirt tactics] nothing less than a way to further fund and indoctrinate more foot soldiers for the Democrat Party, following the Marxist model of Saul Alinsky.
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation -- the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.
No mention of Orrin Hatch or chain gangs, though herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps is pretty close.
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| 16 | Boldwin
ID: 392192513
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 15:45
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Try the shoe on the other foot, PV.
Imagine Bush was interested in mandatory propaganda courses and activism work programs to...
...inculcate the principles of Ronald Reagan and teach young activist republican leaders the methods of Carl Rove.
All government funded.
You'd be like, "Aw, so what? Big deal? Get over it. Move on."
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| 17 | Tree
ID: 61411921
Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 16:10
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Imagine Bush was interested in mandatory propaganda courses
you don't have to imagine it. it happened.
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| 18 | Boldwin
ID: 392192513
Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 05:40
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Tree, do you wake up every day and ask yourself, 'How can I be more stupid than I was yesterday?'
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| 19 | Tree
ID: 61411921
Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 07:13
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no, but when i make a post here that disputes something you'll say, i know you don't really have the skill set to respond without lies or insults.
kind of like the post above. but bring it. it just shows further you don't have anything other than hate and fear in your heart and mind.
how christian of you.
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| 20 | Boldwin
ID: 392192513
Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 07:48
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Just to humor you, do tell, with your extraordinary skill set, what were the Bush mandatory propaganda courses?
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| 21 | Tree
ID: 61411921
Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 13:32
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you can start with the various "faith-based" initiatives he introduced and pushed.
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| 22 | Baldwin
ID: 122332717
Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 19:38
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Please elaborate. Perhaps there were mandatory prayer camps I hadn't heard about. Perhaps they were federally funding the moral majority but somehow that slipped below the radar.
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| 23 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 20:48
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"We have to pass this bill so that we can find out what's in this bill..." - Nancy Pelosi
For some reason socialized medicine requires a private army. [Or Crops, according to the WH]
Presidential Memorandum--Delegation of Authority to Appoint Commissioned Officers of the Ready Reserve Crops of the Public Health Service
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| 24 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 22:11
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This added a reserve component to the already-existing USPHS Commissioned Corps.
Next?
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| 25 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 22:21
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I just learned that every governmental agency was authorized to form their own military during the Bush administration. Not saying they all have done so. I know the Department of Education has their own SWAT team breaking down doors to find school loan fraud.
What could go wrong?
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| 26 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 22:23
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How far afield we've gone from Posse Cometatus how very fast.
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| 27 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 22:53
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Signposts on the road to serfdom.
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| 28 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 23:53
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Most of them with spelling errors.
Fear! Fear! Until the GOP captures the White House! Then it is vital to protect the President!
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| 29 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 00:16
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Did I not say it was the Bush administration that pushed militarization of any agency in the face of Posse Cometatus?
Fear! Fear! The globalist elites.
Fred, get your mind off your powerlust for five seconds and realize you won't have any power in a world-wide dictatorship. And your party affiliation won't save you.
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| 30 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 00:21
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My "powerlust?" Where, exactly, did I exhibit a lust for power, David?
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| 31 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 00:34
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You do understand 'one world government' or in Bush parlance, 'the new world order' is beyond partisan? When I bring it up it is not a partisan attack. Defending the 'new world order' won't gain you anything.
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| 32 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 00:43
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So the answer is "no, you didn't exhibit powerlust" then, eh?
And, as usual, your silence on the Ready Reserve Corps is the usual response of yours when you are proven wrong.
Meanwhile, you are mixing up your metaphors about one world government. You either misunderstand it and this is reflected in your writings, or you understand it and deliberately mix it up when writing about it.
Either way, it plays poorly to throw out a series of unconnected, context-free talking points (some demonstrably wrong) as though they represent deeper points you are unwilling to make completely.
The worst part is that you believe yourself to be a Christian while acting this out day after day after day. Give it up. Clearly the cynical conservative master has won out over the loving Christian one.
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| 33 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 00:55
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1) No, you indeed exhibit powerlust. Everything is calculated for partisan advantage by you, even things that have no partisan context. Can you ever see past your own party's power advantage?
2) Militarizing civilian space is a threat to the current form of government.
3) Realizing that things are going to get very satanic at the end of this age in no way takes away from my loving christian nature.
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| 34 | Boldwin
ID: 345491315
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 01:15
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I'm just curious.
1) PD, what do you think Obama meant when he stated the goal of a civilian army as big and as well funded as the military?
2) Do you think he will be further towards that goal at the end of his admin?
3) Do you think it is an insignificant subject unworthy of comment?
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