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Subject: Alarmism and fear mongering from the GOP Posted by: Perm Dude - [72302414] Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 18:50 A place to gather the stories, speeches, "jokes," and slime coming from the "do-nothing" GOP, with a particular emphasis on fear mongering. This is also a place for the apologists to explain why this is all the Democrats' fault. As an aside, let me say that there are many, many members of the GOP who do not engage in such gutter tactics--some, in fact resist its use. But the talking points of the GOP are clearly in the "scare them" category (and have been for some time). First up: Rep. Michele Bachmann: Thomas Jefferson says to arm yourself, people, against the cap and trade! | ||||||||||||
| 1 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 18:58 | Oh for Christ's sake. PD the PD at it again. | |||||||||||
| 2 | Perm Dude ID: 72302414 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:16 | Can't forget the Great Leader, referring to "Barack Ogabe" | |||||||||||
| 3 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:48 |
Hillary The Movie Blocked At issue was whether the 90-minute "Hillary: The Movie" and television ads to promote it should have been subject to strict campaign finance laws on political advocacy or should have been seen as a constitutionally protected form of commercial speech. The high court's decision will determine whether politically charged documentaries can be regulated by the government in the same way as traditional campaign commercials. A ruling is expect by late June. A conservative group behind the movie wanted to promote it during the heat of the presidential primary season last year, but a federal court had blocked any ads, as well as airings on cable TV video-on-demand. Why block it? | |||||||||||
| 4 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:50 |
Left Wing Fear Mongering --- Global Warming If you believe global warming is a great left-wing conspiracy, don't read any further. Folks who vacation on the other side of the pond may have noticed that summer seems just a bit hotter than years ago. It's not their imagination. That hotbed of liberal propaganda, the American Geophysical Union, reports that the length of heat waves in Europe has doubled over the last century. What's more, the AGU found that the frequency of extremely hot days over that period nearly tripled. Data compiled by a team of researchers at the University of Bern in Switzerland include this stunning tidbit: previous assessments of daily summer temperature change underestimated heat wave events in western Europe by about 30 percent! How did that occur? Turns out that thermometers often were not kept in modern instrument shelters called Stevenson screens, which are now used to shield the sensors against outside influences. | |||||||||||
| 5 | Mith Dude ID: 01629107 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:51 | ... | |||||||||||
| 6 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:53 |
You people are aware that Obama accused Hillary Clinton of fear mongering aren't you? Hillary The Fear Mongerer "Well, I think there's no doubt that we've been dominated by the politics of fear since 9-11... The tragedy of New York was a trauma to the country that is going to take a long time for us to work out. Hillary Clinton did good work in terms of helping the city recover(?) But, I have to say that when Senator Clinton uses the specter of a terrorist attack with a new prime minister during a campaign, I think that is part and parcel with what we've seen the use of the fear of terrorism in scoring political points." That's right. Tell it like it is Barack... Fear-mongering is fear-mongering, plain and simple. | |||||||||||
| 7 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:55 | Slime from Rahm Emmanuel, "Never allow a crisis to go to waste." | |||||||||||
| 8 | Perm Dude ID: 72302414 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 19:59 |
If you are interested, Election Law Blog has a bunch of stuff on this case (Citizens United). The Christian Science Monitor with an article on it. Essentially, it boils down to what the definition of "electioneering" is. | |||||||||||
| 9 | Perm Dude ID: 72302414 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 20:01 | Forgot that this is probably as good a place to collect the "they do it too!!" responses from the Right as well. Looks like you guys are already ahead of me on that. | |||||||||||
| 10 | Tree ID: 61411921 Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 20:05 |
here's a fairly comprehensive list of fear mongering started by the Right... also, here too... | |||||||||||
| 11 | Boxman ID: 3821468 Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 09:43 |
Forgot that this is probably as good a place to collect the "they do it too!!" responses from the Right as well. Looks like you guys are already ahead of me on that.
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| 12 | Perm Dude ID: 30246257 Wed, Mar 25, 2009, 09:48 | We'll get to the "vacuous argementative style of the GOP" in another thread, Boxman. | |||||||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude ID: 54242267 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 12:55 | Hannity calls talk about a revolution "refreshing." | |||||||||||
| 14 | Boxman ID: 3821468 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 13:04 |
Way to mislead posters and lurkers who otherwise wouldn't have clicked on the link!! They talked about an orderly revolution against the debt the President is running up. I didn't see anything about beheading our fellow countrymen or the "revolution" as you implied in your post. | |||||||||||
| 15 | Perm Dude ID: 54242267 Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 13:46 |
Then you took the wrong implication. I can hardly be held responsible for your lack of critical reading skills. Bachmann, of course, believes that the country is on its way to giving up the dollar as its legal tender. I would be careful of trying to pin her down on the side of moderation when it comes to what "revolution" means. | |||||||||||
| 16 | Perm Dude ID: 312102714 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 00:55 |
She's the gift that keeps on giving. The more I drill down, the more wacko she seems. The Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act. More alamist crap, from the a part of the GOP that used to be kept under wraps, but which now rules the roost. Comes from a party which has stressed party cohension (i.e., no dissent) over a cogent political philosophy. When the endtimes crowd started making policy decisions, it was the beginning of the end of the role of Republicans on the national stage. | |||||||||||
| 17 | Wilmer McLean ID: 132132711 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 01:55 | ||||||||||||
| 18 | Baldwin ID: 122332717 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 02:57 |
PD If you had the capacity to be objective anymore, you'd realize there is a curious double-think going on in the left over mercury. I can remember when a utility in Chicago allowed a miniscule amount of mercury from meters to be released outside the house, the media treated it like three mile island and Exxon Valdez all rolled into one. But break a bulb in the nursury and it's all good. So what? It's part of the neccessary sacrifice to go green. Nuke activists will tell you with a straight face that one atom of plutonium can kill you. But somehow the one atom of mercury trick didn't catch on. Curiously one ecoweenie project [energy conservation] overlapped another [pollution] and the most recent hysteria [global warming/conservation] won the collision automatically. Thot isn't allowed to obstruct the liberal project of the moment. There really isn't any thinking going on by the left. It's all about emotion and hysteria over there. Which so far begs the other question, just how far and in how much detail are we going to let government run our lives? Nanny reaches into our cars and buckles us in, changes our light bulbs, puts out our cigarette, ohoh I think I see her with an enema bag. | |||||||||||
| 19 | Perm Dude ID: 41236287 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 09:38 |
Didja even read the link, Baldwin? Or reflexively go into attack mode when a member of your tribe was criticized? The government becomes a "nanny" to push for more efficient light bulbs? | |||||||||||
| 20 | Razor ID: 53243617 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 12:36 | Bachman and Baldwin are not interested in thinking this thing through, just whining about environmental conservation for no good reason. OR is there a good reason I am missing? No, there's not. | |||||||||||
| 21 | Baldwin ID: 122332717 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 16:30 |
They don't push for healthy non-smoking. They outlaw smoking. They don't remind you to buckle up. They ticket you into penury over it. They don't encourage energy efficient bulbs, they try and outlaw standard bulbs, even if you don't want mercury containing floresent bulbs in the nursery. | |||||||||||
| 22 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 18:50 |
As opposed to conservatives, who don't try to regulate online gambling, they slip a provision into a port security bill to make it impossible to do. They decide that outlawing discussions about contraception in schools is a good thing. They decide for us that stem cell research is to be forbidden. I'll get the inflatable fireman pad so you don't kill yourself coming down off your high horse. | |||||||||||
| 23 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 18:55 | On second thought, as long as we're letting people make their own choices, get your own damn pad. | |||||||||||
| 24 | Perm Dude ID: 172582810 Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 19:10 |
Industry experts say that continuing to use inefficient bulbs waste incredible amounts of energy, and contributes to even more mercury in the air by virtue of the continued burning of coal. But nooo---this is about "choice" isn't it? The GOP is reduced to a group of petulent teenagers. | |||||||||||
| 25 | Baldwin ID: 122332717 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 03:46 |
PD That's mighty strange coming from the 'It's my body and I'll kill as many babies as I wanna.' lobby. | |||||||||||
| 26 | Baldwin ID: 122332717 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 03:57 |
As opposed to conservatives, who don't try to regulate online gambling, they slip a provision into a port security bill to make it impossible to do. If your party wasn't the party of vice, you'd approach this issue a lot more intrusively. Swat teams for poker night at the nursing home. Insufferable NPR reports with quavering voices. They decide that outlawing discussions about contraception in schools is a good thing You actually think this is overly intrusive? If it was your side's issue you'd outlaw it as hate speech and haul off parents who give their kids 'the speech'. They decide for us that stem cell research is to be forbidden. See post #25. You think preventing murder is overly intrusive? You think the government might have a legitimate role in preventing murdering people for parts? How bout we start with you and see how you really feel about it? | |||||||||||
| 27 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 08:37 | All PD will do is rehash Pelosi's feeble talking point about "I'm a Catholic, but....." | |||||||||||
| 28 | Perm Dude ID: 172582810 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:01 |
I've never hashed that point, Boxman, so I'd never re-hash it. You think the government might have a legitimate role in preventing murdering people for parts? The more Baldwin posts, the more he proves the point of this thread. | |||||||||||
| 29 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:30 |
#26: You lie. And you know it. I, personally, would do none of those things. Because unlike you, I actually act according to my stated beliefs most of the time. Any time you want to debate the actual issues instead of engaging in completely fabricated hypotheticals, I'll be right here. Speak in particular to the first point. Was that a "conservative" action or not? It's a yes or no question, if you can manage that. | |||||||||||
| 30 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:37 | How is Boldwin lying? | |||||||||||
| 31 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:40 |
Oh, and while we're at it, demonstrate according to the actual LAW, and not YOUR personal beliefs (after all, that's what you're railing against liberals about, imposing their personal beliefs on you) how: Preventing how people can choose to spend their money is a good thing. Stem cell research IS murder in all cases. Abortion IS murder. And remember.... cite statutes, not your beliefs. This should be fun! | |||||||||||
| 32 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:44 |
30: Call it a massive strawman if you prefer. It's the same thing. You have a problem with his last sentence in 26, by the way? Or is that the sort of thing you only jump on other posters for when they attack someone you DO like? | |||||||||||
| 33 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:46 | PS: I hereby formally retract my apology in post 3 here, since clearly I was not wrong, just a bit ahead of myself. | |||||||||||
| 34 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:49 |
I don't know why you get such a hardon for me to go after Boldwin. Maybe you like to watch I don't know. Every post from you is either an attack on Boldwin or furthering the dissemination of left wing talking points. Maybe you have an agenda. Let's see what he said. How bout we start with you and see how you really feel about it? I'm not sure how to respond to this given that he wasn't talking to me and this sentence is filled with pronouns so I need it spelled out for me so I can properly communicate my feeeeeeelings to you. Boldwin wasn't espousing on my belief system. | |||||||||||
| 35 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 11:50 |
Try reading, then. Seriously. Remember, this is about YOUR hypocrisy. Keep on topic. | |||||||||||
| 36 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 12:10 | Uh oh. Anger. I was responding to your question. Its not my fault you asked about the wrong sentence. | |||||||||||
| 37 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 12:35 |
"You think the government might have a legitimate role in preventing murdering people for parts? How bout we start with you and see how you really feel about it?" Can't read? Or just being a total dickhead about it? Let me know. | |||||||||||
| 38 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 14:48 | Man you're angry all the time. Nothing else to do on Sundays? | |||||||||||
| 39 | DWetzel ID: 33337117 Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 20:12 | Stick to the topic. | |||||||||||
| 40 | Baldwin ID: 122332717 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 12:00 |
Dwetzel Oh, and while we're at it, demonstrate according to the actual LAW Well that's the problem, isn't it? Dems are the ones who make murder legal. Just ask Terry Schiavo or the murdered million babies this year. And last year. And the year before that. | |||||||||||
| 41 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 12:11 | LOL | |||||||||||
| 42 | Perm Dude ID: 172472916 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 12:21 | It's like an autopilot thread, DW. Start a thread about how the Right is alarmist and watch while they prove it in post after post. | |||||||||||
| 43 | Tree ID: 61411921 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 12:30 |
Just ask Terry Schiavo or the murdered million babies this year. And last year. And the year before that. have some respect for the dead. you'd think if it was your pet project, you'd at least get her name spelled right...it's Terri, with an "I"... but overall, your full answer was a total LOL... | |||||||||||
| 44 | DWetzel ID: 278201415 Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 13:07 |
I've come to the realization that there isn't much point in trying to have a rational debate with people who believe that a majority of the American population are organ-harvesting murderers who want to kill our wives and children in a global conspiracy. Honestly, I don't know what took me so long. | |||||||||||
| 45 | Perm Dude ID: 4831617 Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 00:00 |
At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot? At some point soon, it will happen. It’ll be over an innocuous issue. But the rage is building. It’s not a partisan issue. […] Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation. This, over dish detergent. Puhleaze. Let's stop with the Chicken Little politics, please. | |||||||||||
| 46 | Perm Dude ID: 33348513 Sun, Apr 05, 2009, 15:58 |
Taking it all seriously... Cause, meet effect. | |||||||||||
| 48 | Mith ID: 2894309 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 12:21 |
Hunter @ Kos This isn't new, of course, and isn't confined to Beck. Media influence on individual actions has been a talking point for twenty some odd years. Conservatives believe Spongebob Squarepants, the PBS show 'Arthur' and one of Teletubbies -- you know, the gay pride one -- can turn kids homosexual, and they so believed that Murphy Brown encouraged single motherhood that a American vice president condemned the fictional character by name. According to conservatives, everything on TV influences behavior, whether it's promiscuity, violence, or thinking that an asexual cartoon sea creature is coming on to you. They think rap music causes violence, video games promote violence, and that Rachel Ray wearing a checkered scarf is a coded signal of terrorism's insidious grip on the Food Network. | |||||||||||
| 49 | Boxman ID: 3821468 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 12:25 |
Wow, someone at the Daily Kos rips on a Republican. How on Earth did you ever find that. I mean, really, your powers of research and digging are second to none. What is your secret? So is this proof or an opinionated hate piece? 
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| 50 | Pancho Villa ID: 16344722 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 13:16 |
Wow, someone at the Daily Kos rips on a Republican. Perhaps it would carry more weight for you at Little Green Footballs? I’ve been expecting this meltdown since Glenn Beck started talking about the “End Times” on his Fox News show last week, but yesterday he went full-on survivalist. All he needs is a sandwich board reading, “Repent, sinners!” Is it irresponsible for Fox News to be airing this over the top, creepy alarmist stuff during a financial crisis? Well, yeah, I think so. But then, I’ve pretty much stopped watching since it became the network of Mike Huckabee, Pat Buchanan, and all Hannity, all the time. | |||||||||||
| 51 | Mith ID: 2894309 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 13:56 |
Re: post 49 This is your American political right, ladies and gentlemen. | |||||||||||
| 52 | Boxman ID: 3821468 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 14:03 |
Laughing at a blog from a left wing looney site? Well then the answer is yes. Hang on, you said, This is your American political right, ladies and gentlemen. So am I now the "defacto" leader of the right wing or is Rush Limbaugh? | |||||||||||
| 53 | Perm Dude ID: 336813 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 14:07 | Given the large vaccuum in leadership of the GOP, this could be your week to be the leader and you wouldn't even know it! | |||||||||||
| 54 | Razor ID: 371502414 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 14:33 | GOP has no leadership because they have no coherent, rational message. It's mostly just fear mongering as seen in this thread. Need to get some smart people back in the GOP. They've been running them off or shouting them down for years. | |||||||||||
| 55 | Mith ID: 2894309 Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 15:03 |
You know, it's hilarious when you think about it. All I did to warrant a reaction I'd expect from a pre-pubescent was post on-topic content, including what I find to be thoughtful commentary on the subject. And post 49 is the reaction from a guy who posts Ann Coulter's column in this forum every week. | |||||||||||
| 56 | Mith ID: 2894309 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 11:51 |
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| 57 | Seattle Zen ID: 193121011 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 12:12 | Why do you hate America? | |||||||||||
| 58 | Perm Dude ID: 9330102 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 15:21 |
Glenn Beck has found his niche: Professional GOP Alarmist. That whole "journalist" thing was a drag. Too much reading. | |||||||||||
| 59 | Tree ID: 61411921 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:30 |
"it's supposed to taste like a $hit taco..." i wonder if the people who should be watching that, actually will. granted, considering it's true humour, and not the humour-excuse of Coulter, i doubt they'll understand it... | |||||||||||
| 60 | Perm Dude ID: 193231017 Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 18:23 | Just after the clip in #58... | |||||||||||
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