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Subject: The Real Obama 4 Posted by: Boldwin - [133532810] Thu, Jun 04, 2009, 06:40 AKA 'The Speech' Obama is clearly giving the most important speech of his life and one he's spent his whole life writing and perfecting. I'm hearing it live and it's powerful. The reactions in the muslim world will be of utmost interest...No doubt quite different in Islamist and moderate circles. Up to now moderate muslims have had no apparent influence on Islamist islam, as far as I can tell. So it's hard to see how a good speech changes anything. Which raises an important question. What is being served but Obama's vanity? Catelog the real results if you spot any. Giving this speech in the home territory of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was seminal in the production of OBL and Al Qeada, tho brave, is just too risky. The downside to an assassination, [and Egypt couldn't protect Assad let's remember], is world war III. | |||||||
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| 2262 | Tree ID: 57842011 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 12:08 |
Limbaugh's incredible career and incredible influence it certainly is incredible. and i hope it continues to be, as the GOP gets smaller and smaller, alienating all those that don't fit into its very white washed world. | ||||||
| 2263 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 13:55 | Which one is The Onion? | ||||||
| 2264 | Khahan ID: 54138190 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 20:08 |
Thank you Obamacare Here is yet another national chain with an owner employing thousands who is passing the cost of obamacare on to us. Now, not only do we have to pay for our own if we want it, we have to pay for everybody else's thru surcharges and increased prices. I was never against finding a way to get care for everybody. I was never against many of the components of Obamacare. I have ALWAYS been against forced purchase coverage. No matter how you slice it its a head-in-the-sand method to accomplish your goals. Obama and any senator that voted for this saw their goals met but hid their heads from the truth of the system they chose to implement it. We will keep paying for Obamacare in ways people both foresaw and had no clue about. It will be more of my hard earned money going out of my pocket. And the only ones truly benefiting are the health insurers. Again, forcing the citizens to buy a product is just plain BS. Its one of the worst decisions the supreme court ever passed down. And as is typical of liberal thinking - act now and pay later. Conservative thinking is to consider cost now and act later. Neither alone is really a good method. One gets things done and then sinks us paying for it later. The other shoots itself in the foot never doing anything because it realizes the cost. Its only when both sides actually work together for solutions that we as citizens win. And that did not happen. Republicans submitted unrealistic plans but did not have the power behind them. Democrats submitted an unrealistic plan but happened to have the voting power to railroad it thru. Neither party had the balls to say, "There's major flaws with both sides proposals, lets keep working." And I've said since before any of these crap policies were passed. | ||||||
| 2265 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 20:27 |
And as is typical of liberal thinking - act now and pay later. Conservative thinking is to consider cost now and act later. Need I remind you, that Nixon tried to pass mandated employer provided healthcare, and that indeed "Obamacare" was the GOPs and the GOP tried in the 90s to pass it WITH this same individual/employer mandate. It IS the Conservatives brain child.That some short sighted employers, in predominantly low wage/no benefit industries are bent over the whole idea, is just too damn bad. | ||||||
| 2266 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 20:27 | and FTR, the WORST SCOTUS decision ever, was "Citizens United", not the declaration of Obamacare as Constitutional. | ||||||
| 2267 | Khahan ID: 54138190 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 20:44 |
2266 I agree with 100%. I said obamacare was one of the worst. Probably top 3 behind citizens united and the wheat farmer. As for 2265, I didn't like it when the republicans proposed it. Forced purchase is just plain bs. And those, "in predominantly low wage/no benefit industries" that "are bent over the whole idea, is just too damn bad" those are the industries that used to employee people full time. Those are the industries that used to give us reasonably priced offers. Those are the industries that used to carry the bulk of the American worker. And those are the industries that are responding to Obamacare and changing. Its not 'just too damn bad' for them. Its 'too damn bad' for us. But you won't admit that until its too late. That's one where owners are taking measures to stay profitable because they control things. What about my industry - sales? My boss has less than 0 control over the price of the product we sell. His only way to get more income is to sell more. But if he can't afford a sales staff how can he sell more? If he gets the staff needed and sells more, well more of this profits go out the window to that staff. He has to jsut simply eat the cost. And there are tens of thousands like him across the country. Reliant on the staff they have to generate income. Sacked with higher costs and no way to pass it on. And that IS reality. That IS happening. Too bad? I say tough shit to that. I still say Obamacare and a forced purchase mandate is going to sink us and do more harm than good. And I stil say there is another way to accomplish many of these goals. Like instead of lining the coffers of an overbloated system like the health care insurers even more, going after some real regulation on them. Just for starters. Obamacare fixed NOTHING. It only helps on the surface. Its damaging effects are far reaching and subtle. And too many people are blinded by the great moral ideal to see the truth. | ||||||
| 2268 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 20:47 | No, the worst decision still standing is Kelo. | ||||||
| 2269 | Seattle Zen ID: 4811181319 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 21:43 | Hell no! Bush v. Gore | ||||||
| 2270 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 22:02 | Gotta go with ya there Zen. | ||||||
| 2271 | slug ID: 167132313 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 09:03 |
I think the end of 2267 is getting to the heart of the matter "Obamacare fixed NOTHING. It only helps on the surface." There are good ideas that have been implemented, but there was no fundamental change. I have told many of my friends that I was happy Obamacare passed because it shows we can change the status quo. Now, let's change it to something that will work for the long term. | ||||||
| 2272 | Boldwin ID: 131052163 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 14:05 |
Obamacare fixed NOTHING. It wasn't even meant to fix anything. The only objective was to sabotage the private insurance industry [while maintaining free market pretenses] and force them out in favor full-blown socialism. AKA single payer. | ||||||
| 2273 | Razor ID: 177192916 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 14:20 | How can anyone say Obamacare fixed nothing? There are plenty of provisions in Obamacare that are very popular and agreed upon as positive by both parties. Whether you think those provisions were worth passing the entire bill is irrelevant in refuting your claim. Obamacare will certainly provide more people with health care is certainly a positive. | ||||||
| 2274 | Razor ID: 177192916 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 14:24 | I should add that comments like "Obamacare fixed nothing" are the reason why Republicans can't be taken seriously on the issue of health care. They don't appear to have any objectives or goals with respect to health care other than to maintain the previous status quo. I think you'd find a majority of Democrats are willing to modify and improve Obamacare, but when Republicans think every piece of it is flawed, it becomes impossible to do so. If Obamacare is a failure, Republicans will have to share part of the blame for being unwilling to work on fixing it. | ||||||
| 2275 | Boldwin ID: 131052163 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 14:34 |
They don't appear to have any objectives or goals with respect to health care End the sabotage now. Extreme tort reform. The primary purpose of medicine should not be creating a superwealthy class of lawyers. Free markets work. If patients were looking the doctor in the eye, and paying him directly with their own money, and every patient doctor interaction wasn't a pricey lottery ticket all too likely to ruin the doctor's practice and life, prices would come back down to earth. | ||||||
| 2276 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 14:59 |
Dammit Boldwin...free markets DO NOT WORK WITH HEALTHCARE. Our system has proven that over the past 50 years. We spend more than any other country, and get less than just about any other country FIR those dollars. Everything a free market is predicated upon is absent from healthcare. Price comparisons, consumer choice, not available. | ||||||
| 2277 | Boldwin ID: 131052163 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 15:24 | Our system has proven that liberals sabotaging the system don't help the people they claim to be helping. | ||||||
| 2278 | Khahan ID: 39432178 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 15:39 |
If the free market doesn't work then why do we have some of the best doctors and best actual health care in the world? Our health care is great. Our health care financial system and paying system and insurance system sucks. The problem with the health insurance and health pay systems has always been two-fold: 1) lack of regulation 2) tied into 1 - letting the paying companies dictate doctor actions. A doctor should be able to make a diagnosis and do a test he feels is necessary without a single thought of, "what will insurance do" ever popping into his head. And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix that. A family should be able to purchase affordable healthcare (actual and truly affordable, not just healthcare named affordable). And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix that. A business wanting to provide healthcare as a benefit to its employees should be able to afford those healthcare plans. And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix that. There are many other ancilliary issues that feed into this like a doctor should not pay more in liability insurance than some households make. And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix that. We've had many discussions on these boards about what the problems are in this country that drive up the cost of health insurance. They range from those mentioned above to issues like the cost of new equipment for hospitals, dealing with attorney's, the size/scope/overhead of an insurance program. And obamacare does NOTHING to fix any of those problems. Obamacare does NOTHING to make health insurance affordable. And we are beginning to see the pushback from it with incidents like Pappa Johns Pizza, theOlive Garden and franchisees like the owner of those 40 restuarants I linked above. And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix those problems. In fact, obamacare created those problems. All Obamacare does is promote some morally ethic ideal that sounds good on paper, 'everybody should have access to health insurance.' That is all it fixes. And its doing it very poorly because of the pushbacks from industries and employers. Don't get me wrong here, I agree its great to provide healthcare to everybody. Its awesome. But I'm not an idealist. I consider myself a realist. And realistically, its a nightmare that was not thought out. And we're starting to see the problems with the plan that was passed. It doesn't matter who's plan it was. These are problems that many predicted from the beginning and some problems nobody saw coming. What this country needed first was an overhaul of health insurance, not of the healthcare system. | ||||||
| 2279 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 15:45 |
You're right about Obamacare not fixing that problem. Khahan. But in fairness, that wasn't the problem it was intended to fix. The problem was access to the insurance in the first place. Yeah, we do need an overhaul. But let's not blame Obamacare for not fixing a problem it wasn't even addressing. | ||||||
| 2280 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 16:03 |
A family should be able to purchase affordable healthcare (actual and truly affordable, not just healthcare named affordable). And Obamacare does NOTHING to fix that. THAT, is patently untrue Khahan. Both PD and I, have in the past posted a link showing what affect the PPACA would have on your insurance costs, outside of employer provided. MY cost drops from $650/m, to under $100. LONG damn ways from doing NOTHING. | ||||||
| 2281 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 16:18 |
My 2279 was specifically about the cost of health care and not the cost of health care insurance. On the latter, Obamacare offers subsidies to help those who can't afford insurance on their own. Kaiser's subsidy calculator is an easy way to find out the specific subsidy amount for any particular person. Obamacare was targeted to those individuals and small business owners who found health care insurance unattainable. I realize that it is the job of business owners to loudly complain about costs, particularly government costs. But I don't take them altogether seriously, to be frank. Because if some partisan business owners decline to pursue certain business opportunities because they have to charge people 15 cents more per pizza to ensure healthier employees, I'm confident in capitalism enough to know that someone will fill that breach. Our country will be healthier and live longer as a result of this not-perfect solution. | ||||||
| 2282 | Boldwin ID: 131052163 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 16:18 |
That does not count any of the dozens of stealth 'revenue enhancements' buried in Obamacare. It doesn't count the tax increases down the road when this system crashes. It also doesn't count the personal cost when you get fired or get converted to a part-time worker because of Obamacare. It also doesn't count the lost opportunity cost of now living in a socialist country and no longer in a free market capitalist country. | ||||||
| 2283 | slug ID: 167132313 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 16:27 | Health care (due to health care insurance) wasn't based on free market principles prior to Obamacare | ||||||
| 2284 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 16:28 |
Part-time or full time, it doesnt matter Boldwin, If the company works its staff the EQUIVALENT of 50 full time workers/week AND employs 50 or more people, then the requirement to provide coverage kicks in. Hire 100 people and work them all 18 hrs/wk...boom. You have exceeded 50 full time worker hours, and you get to provide health care for all 100. | ||||||
| 2285 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 19:10 |
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| 2286 | Khahan ID: 54138190 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 21:59 | 2281 - I see the cost of healthcare and cost of healthcare insurance as the same thing. Or if not exactly the same thing, as least co-dependent and inseparable. | ||||||
| 2287 | Boldwin ID: 910431619 Fri, Nov 16, 2012, 22:48 |
 Monument to their favorite USA president? As good a guess as anyone has. | ||||||
| 2293 | Boldwin ID: 44100266 Mon, Nov 26, 2012, 16:13 | I've known about the following story for years. No one can say I am bringing it up for election purposes. I'm not asking you to discuss it. I'm not even going to discuss it myself unless pestered into it. I just want you to consider it's merit and the implications. Just between you, yourself and you. | ||||||
| 2294 | Tree ID: 3710342616 Mon, Nov 26, 2012, 17:36 |
I'm not even going to discuss it myself this is different than anything else you post? | ||||||
| 2295 | Boldwin ID: 291029284 Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 21:27 | " Obama is the only President that can make Bush look Frugal, Clinton look Ethical and Carter look Competent!! " | ||||||
| 2296 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 21:56 | said nobody of any import, ever. | ||||||
| 2297 | Pancho Villa ID: 59645318 Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 23:06 |
I've known about the following story for years. It's not a story, at least not in the presentation in the link presented by Conservatives who Love America. What a joke. They're phony conservatives in the Boldwin mold, and they don't love America. They're a disgrace to conservatism. Here's the headline: Mom of Murdered Obama Gay Lover Speaks Up Here's the first comment on the story by a conservative who loves America: Obama the Murderer!!!! Even Wayne Madsen, who I somewhat respect for his courageous, if irresponsible efforts to expose the true story of 9/11, and whose wrirings this trash is based on, doesn't make the claim the headline does. He says things like, Among the members of the gay ‘DLC’ were Obama and TUCC’s choir director, Donald Young, an openly gay man who reportedly had a sexual relationship with Obama. Even Madsen isn't so irresponsible and so desperate to have Obama haters suscribe to his blog that he states unequivocally that Obama had a murdered gay lover. More from Madsen via Boldwin's link: Larry Sinclair, the gay man who claimed to have had two sexual encounters with Obama in Chicago in 1999, wrote a book, “Cocaine, Sex, Lies & Murder,” in which he states that Obama was linked to Young’s murder. Sinclair wrote that he was in contact with Young shortly before his murder and Young revealed his relationship with Obama Now, one has to ask, if Obama is willing to murder(or have murdered)Donald Young and Larry Bland, why would he not murder an opportunist like Larry Sinclair, who appears to be the biggest threat to exposing Obama's bi-sexual exploits? Before putting this embarrasing piece of garbage to rest, let's take a short look at just how dishonest this article is. The conservatives who love America claim: Norma Jean Young, the 76-year old mother of the late Trinity United Church of Christ choir director Donald Young, has spoken out and declared that persons trying to protect Obama murdered her son at the height of the 2007 Democratic presidential primary to protect Obama from embarrassing revelations about his homosexual relationship with her son. [text is bolded in the article] Here's what Norma Jean Young said: Norma Jean Young revealed to The Globe that her son Donald, who was openly gay, was a “close friend” of Obama. Mrs. Young also believes the Chicago Police Department has not placed a high priority on finding the killers of her son. Mrs. Young, who is, herself a former employee of the Chicago Police Department, told The Globe that, “There is more to the story,” adding, “I do believe they are shielding somebody or protecting someone.” Nowhere does she say, as earlier claimed, that persons trying to protect Obama murdered her son at the height of the 2007 Democratic presidential primary to protect Obama from embarrassing revelations about his homosexual relationship with her son. Boldwin daily demeans the MSM, lapdog media, lamestream media, drive-by media, and yet, seems to believe that this type of "journalism" is not only acceptable, but preferable. | ||||||
| 2299 | Pancho Villa ID: 59645318 Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 10:30 |
I'm not even going to discuss it myself unless pestered into it. I just want you to consider it's merit and the implications. Pestered? So, you post something extremely provocative and outrageous, and, if challenged, you consider it pestering you? Fine, then. Let's discuss the merits. As shown in #2297, the article linked flat out lies when they claim Donald Young's mother declared that persons trying to protect Obama murdered her son at the height of the 2007 Democratic presidential primary to protect Obama from embarrassing revelations about his homosexual relationship with her son. So that article has no merit. The supposed bombshell in all this is Larry Sinclair and his book, "Cocaine, Sex, Lies and Murder." Now, here's a shocker. Guess who comes running to Sinclair's defense? Yep, the completely disgraced, zero-credibility faux journalist Jerome Corsi on WorldNetDaily. Last week, Robert Braddock Jr. – the Democratic Party operative who taped the lie detector test administered to Sinclair in February 2008 – was indicted in an unrelated matter by federal authorities and charged with conspiring to conceal campaign donations. Braddock’s polygraph concluded Sinclair was lying. But Sinclair continues to insist the charges in his book against Obama are true and that he has been a victim of a White House-organized campaign to discredit him. Ok, so we're talking about the credibility of a person indicted for conspiring to conceal campaign donations. If Braddock has no credibility given an unrelated charge, then his administration of Sinclair's polygraph results must be brought into question. So, credibility is important to Corsi. Except, apparently, when it comes to Obama's accuser. Public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27-year criminal record, with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16-year jail sentence. The Pueblo County, Colo., Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds. Addressing the Pueblo County theft charges, Sinclair swore in a 2004 affidavit that his "ALLEGED VICTIM SEEKS TO USE DEFENDANT AS SCAPE GOAT FOR HER HUSBANDS AND BROTHERS PROBLEMS WITH MEXICAN DRUG DEALERS." Sinclair's affidavit, which he posted to his blog, accompanied a request to a Colorado judge to dismiss the warrant on the grounds that Sinclair was "disabled with [a] severe spine injury and nerve damage," that returning to Colorado would put his life in danger, and that he was "terminally ill." Sinclair, who is still alive, is 46, stands 5'7", and weights 168 pounds, according to arrest records. Colorado records list him with 13 aliases, including "Larye Vizcarra Avila" and "Mohammed Gahanan." Yet, according to conservatives who love America, Jerome Corsi and Obama haters everywhere, Sinclair has been a victim of a White House-organized campaign to discredit him. I've considered it's merits. Has Boldwin? | ||||||
| 2300 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 18:48 |
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| 2301 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 19:29 | I would have put the very wealthy in the second panel. After all, that's what they were hoping to get with Romney--another turn on the gravy train. | ||||||
| 2302 | DWetzel ID: 25740420 Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 19:31 |
"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." -George Carlin | ||||||
| 2303 | Tree ID: 1910562515 Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 20:56 |
the second image is ridiculous, and a failed talking point that the majority of Americans who voted saw right through. i honestly don't know anyone who voted for Obama who did so for "free stuff", or any similar implication. hell, the majority of people i know who voted for Obama also wouldn't be caught dead with a Starbucks cup in their hand, which is another implication of that image. :o) | ||||||
| 2304 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 21:09 |
If the conservative right TRULY "sacrificed for freedom", they would either enlist or shut the hell up about taxes and pay MORE than was necessary, not cry about what they owe and try every imaginable trick you can dream up, to avoid taxes. Further, they would endorse Marriage Equality as an equal Freedom, religious freedom w/o blatant efforts to legislate a singular brand of theology based morality, freedom of choice, and the freedom to disagree without being branded as traitorous scum. Until I see them doing that, I'll continue to see them as self-serving hypocrites. | ||||||
| 2305 | Boldwin ID: 54115211 Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 02:57 |
i honestly don't know anyone who voted for Obama who did so for "free stuff", or any similar implication. At this rate there will soon be more people in the wagon than pulling the wagon. You can pretend all those Obama voters are givers all you want. | ||||||
| 2308 | Seattle Zen ID: 3603123 Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 12:46 | This thread is too long, time to move to this correctly spelled one. | ||||||
| 2316 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 17:14 |
Bill Clinton it was said brought the methods of the Arkansas mafia to the WH which was useful in understanding his tactics. Obama has quite a Chicago Mafia connection. Hard for a Chicagoan to escape their shadow. Sears Towers, Arie Crown Theater, General Dynamics... Pritzker, finance chair for Obama's 2008 campaign. Emanuel family mafia history. S.R.Crown Hall was where I studied architecture. S.R.Crown of the Crown criminal family. There is a little more to Obama's claim to being a 'Jewish president' than you would think, just looking at his policies. I don't support this guy's slant. The only thing I find useful is in the connections he makes. Sherman Skolnik, mentioned in there was a fabulous researcher for decades. A go-to source for some of Chicago's news media. With a record of huge gets, and having been led deep into the rabit-hole. | ||||||
| 2317 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 01:56 |
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| 2318 | Tree ID: 161036918 Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 20:26 |
once again, you're not even remotely interested in vetting your sources, or the truth, or honestly. every so often, those words are attached to a different world leader.... | ||||||
| 2319 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Wed, Jul 22, 2015, 18:46 |
I'm only doing this forum with one arm tied behind my back, just to make it fair. These days. Besides, I have an eager army of trolls to Snopes everything. Saves me the trouble. | ||||||
| 2320 | Tree ID: 161036918 Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 10:38 |
you have NEVER vetted your sources or bothered to do real, actual research. this is nothing new. | ||||||
| 2321 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 13:04 | Yeah, I've been crushing you all single-handed for a decade without a lick of research. | ||||||
| 2322 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 15:00 |
More 'Smart Diplomacy'. Father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb says deal may have saved Iran from disaster." Now [*he breathes a sigh of relief] the potential of for unrest, overthrow or military coup has been reduced so he can continue feeding their nuclear weapons project. | ||||||
| 2323 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 19:38 |
"UN Inspectors will be forced to rely on samples provided by ... wait for it ...IRAN. The kind of deal that can only be obtained by an Iranian born communist Chief of Staff and a negotiator rooting for the other side. | ||||||
| 2324 | Tree ID: 161036918 Sun, Jul 26, 2015, 15:09 |
Yeah, I've been crushing you all single-handed for a decade without a lick of research. that was AWESOME for some serious belly laughter. | ||||||
| 2325 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 00:17 |
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| 2326 | Boldwin ID: 49572022 Wed, Aug 05, 2015, 15:40 |
Obama's speech today...whooooBoy, where do I begin? He believes Iran hardliners were against this deal. When they got everything they could possibly hope for from this deal. He can't find an E-mail if his life depended on it but he can sniff out a nuke and tell the difference between a recently cleaned up site made ready from inspection and earlier sources of radiation. His spokesmen can't tell if it's a treaty or not. Kerry isn't sure if Iran wants to nuke Israel. Congressmen who are against this deal are on the side of the terrorists. If Dnesh D'Souza needs a new psych exam, Obama needs the armless suit and rubber room. | ||||||
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