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Subject: Birther thread Posted by: Perm Dude - [154552311] Sun, Aug 02, 2009, 22:20 Probably good to try to pull the birther stuff into one thread, since Baldwin and the rest of the hard right insists on sticking to their story no matter how silly it makes them look. Pride goeth before the fall, and all. The latest fake Kenyan birth certificate gets three strikes. | |||||||
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| 1219 | Boldwin ID: 43492714 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 03:20 |
I am deadly serious about this. I think CNN is putting hispanics on the horns of a dilema. Either rise up and support Obama, [in which case we'll treat you like heroes] or sit this election out [in which case we will send racist profiling sentiments your way]. Yes this isn't the first time anyone ever used the term sleeping giant. Considering the timing, considering the situation, considering what everyone knows you'd say if this were said by a republican...it's beyond cute and edging into racist territory. | ||||||
| 1220 | Mith ID: 23217270 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 04:22 |
Please spare me what you think I'd say. But thanks to you, we know exactly what conservatives will say when it is reported (not even written!) by a mainstream news outlet that doesn't cater to the right fringe. Who are the race baiters again? You really believe the media isnt allowed to look at the masses of Latino voters and their potential to impact politics? Who are the speech stiflers again? And you make these accusations of racism and threats against a broad ethnicity without having read a single word of the article other than the headline! The thing starts off quoting someone who predicts that the future first Latino president has already been born. (Corrected link.) Had you bothered, you'd know that the 2012 election isn't even mentioned in the thing. It discusses the future of the impact of Lations as they begin to dominate the population. It doesn't get to the low number of current Latino voters until page 3 and even then tempers that issue by noting the growing number of elected Latinos in politics. And far more space is dedicated to stressing the diversity of American Latinos and the places they and their families originate from, stating plainly that they will not be so politically homogenous as they currently seem once they start participating in more representative numbers. As usual I'm sure you'll be just filled with reasons to reject this opportunity to roll back the piss and vinegar a touch. Its because you clearly prefer anger and fear and convincing yourself that you're right to bitch about it. You don't ever watch CNN. It would bore you to tears. Your preferences for having things to be angry and fear and bitch about are clearly much better sated by lazily taking the word of people who are in the business of making you hate the media, and who rely on angry, fearful, bitchy people like you to consume, espouse and perpetuate the rancid bile they feed you. | ||||||
| 1221 | Boldwin ID: 43492714 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 04:44 |
If you think reporters don't enjoy their cute titles you are missing the fun of it. And they know many more people will register the title than read the whole article. The title chosen wasn't obvious. For example when I wrote the title for my post about Sendak 'The Wild Rumpus Ends', I came up with that myself only to be surprised to later find at least a couple thousand other similarly titled internet pieces. I don't think too many latino leaders think of their communities as sleeping. Then again I could be wrong. | ||||||
| 1222 | Frick ID: 14082314 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 07:29 |
So right after a story about how white births are no longer the majority, an article is published talking about the growing impact the Latino population will have on politics. In an election year. Shocking and a complete stretch. | ||||||
| 1223 | Tree ID: 5752919 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 10:59 |
I think CNN is putting hispanics on the horns of a dilema. Either rise up and support Obama, [in which case we'll treat you like heroes] or sit this election out [in which case we will send racist profiling sentiments your way]. idiotic. CNN is struggling with their lowest ratings ever, struggling because they've remained impartial and unbiases in an era when more and more news outlets are letting their biases show. If you think reporters don't enjoy their cute titles you are missing the fun of it. who here has ever been employed as a reporter? anyone? ok, then as someone who once was a newspaper reporter, i'll speak up. Damned straight we enjoy our cute headlines. and damned straight that "sleeping giant" phrase had ZERO to do with anything even remotely racist. And they know many more people will register the title than read the whole article. it's as if you don't know the phrase "sleeping giant". who on earth but the most bigoted of people sees that phrase and thinks "oh! sleeping! they must mean latinos!!!" no one. no one except those who are bigoted in their heart and desperate to pin that label on someone else. | ||||||
| 1224 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 11:21 |
I have no idea why that headline would be considered racist. Maybe because Boldwin can't differentiate between racial and racist? This is probably why his prescriptions for Hispanics are so tone deaf. Hispanics, a natural conservative group, have fled the GOP in droves as a result of the GOP's fixation on ham-fisted "solutions" to the Mexican illegal immigration "problem." | ||||||
| 1225 | Mith ID: 23217270 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 12:02 |
If you think reporters don't enjoy their cute titles you are missing the fun of it.. Right. What would I know about reporters? Not their code language, obviously. But bitchy conservative are just naturally fluent it seems. Which page in the translation book explains that "sleeping giant" really means: Either rise up and support Obama, [in which case we'll treat you like heroes] or sit this election out [in which case we will send racist profiling sentiments your way]. The headline is (hilariously) followed by a column that is almost entirely about how the growing Latino population will increasingly find it's way into and eventually dominate the political landscape over the next 40 years, both at the polls and on the ballots, and will come to occupy wide political diversity. The thing doesn't discuss the 2012 election or President Obama, much less tie either to the title in any way - except in the minds of people who need something to be angry with and afraid of and to bitch about. And possibly race-baiting conservative opinion writers. And they know many more people will register the title than read the whole article. Suckers who read the WSJ opinion pages, obviously. I don't think too many latino leaders think of their communities as sleeping. Then again I could be wrong. Regarding political involvement? How poorly do you regard "Latino leaders" (whoever you have in mind) that you think they are against politically empowering their communities because they are too proud to potentially label them as "sleeping"? And how many widely recognized Latino American "leaders" can you name who aren't already in politics, anyway? Have you ever heard of a politician who wouldn't be disappointed with low-turnout constituents or who would avoid telling them to register for fear that he might sound too critical of the current numbers they bring to the polls? | ||||||
| 1226 | Mith ID: 23217270 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 12:09 |
"oh! sleeping! they must mean latinos!!!" Now I understand the image that lept to the front of Taranto's and Boldwin's brains. So the media is never allowed to use a phrase with the word "sleeping" if it refers to Latinos. LOL! Exactly who makes up the anti-speech, race-baiting PC crowd again? | ||||||
| 1227 | Tree ID: 49512111 Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 12:25 |
Now I understand the image that lept to the front of Taranto's and Boldwin's brains. it never even crossed my mind until brought up by Baldwin, but in his brain, he sees any number of these images when the words"latino" and "sleeping" are put together. (never mind that the "popular" image is of a sleeping mexican peasant, and not all latinos, but hey, he probably thinks all latinos = mexicans.) i don't suspect Baldwin will bother with reading this, but for anyone who is curious, here's an interesting article on "the sleeping Mexican phenomenon". The roots of this caricture might surprise you. Posture and dress coalesced to manifest into flesh-and-blood sleeping Mexicans during the presidency of Porfirio Diaz, the autocrat whose privatization policies forced hundreds of thousands of rural Mexicans to move to urban areas and live in poverty during the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century. Exhausted after a day full of work or travel, all that many working-class Mexicans could do was find a wall and sleep—an image American travelogues of the day breathlessly captured for their audiences. | ||||||
| 1228 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 13:51 | SCOTUS rejects, without comment, birther suit. | ||||||
| 1229 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 23:04 | How can Alan Keyes not have standing? He was running for President. | ||||||
| 1230 | sarge33rd ID: 34536813 Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 23:46 | Because the claim itself is pure, unadulterated BS. NOBODY, has standing. Might as well be filing a complaint alledging a Martian is running. They wont hear that one either. | ||||||
| 1231 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Jun 11, 2012, 23:49 |
Some of the reasoning appears at the end of this piece. Apparently, since the courts are unable to remove Obama from office (which is impeachment), the power to do so is reserved to the Congress, so they were asking the court to do something they were unable to do anyway, even if they proved their case. | ||||||
| 1232 | sarge33rd ID: 34536813 Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 01:31 | gawd...the idiotic responses beneath that piece... | ||||||
| 1233 | Building 7 Leader ID: 171572711 Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 07:48 |
"Even the political candidates who lost to Obama in 2008 would only have had standing to sue if they had filed their complaint alleging unfair competition from an ineligible candidate before the election, the 9th Circuit judges said." I disagree, but that is something. What if the evidence of the unfair competition from an ineligible candidate was acquired after the election. sarge33rd, do you understand the concept of legal standing ? They did not look at the merits of the case, but tossed it out, because they thought Keyes did not have the right to bring any case after election day. He should have filed before the election. | ||||||
| 1234 | Frick ID: 14082314 Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 08:16 |
I was really hope this would all go away now. But, it looks like we get to spend more time hearing about it again, since I'm sure someone will refile prior to the election this year and the case will waste more time in court. Re: 2132. Agreed. | ||||||
| 1235 | sarge33rd ID: 34536813 Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 11:26 | yes B7, I understand the concept of legal standing. What you seem unwillling to understand, is that the complaint HAS no merit. None. Zero. | ||||||
| 1236 | Boldwin ID: 38202019 Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 23:33 |
Frank Marshall Jr? This has been my theory for about a year. | ||||||
| 1237 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 00:00 |
This topic is still alive and well within the GOP far right, yet calls for Romneys Tax Returns are treated with disdain by those same far right loons. I'd invite any intellectually honest explanation for that. | ||||||
| 1238 | biliruben ID: 21841115 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 00:31 | Mental. Illness. | ||||||
| 1239 | Perm Dude ID: 56832185 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 01:41 | It is extremely important to denigrate Obama personally with such wild assertions, in order to justify the vitriol they already hurl at him. | ||||||
| 1240 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 02:06 | said hurling no doubt precipitated by 1238's brief yet accurate, explanation. | ||||||
| 1241 | Pancho Villa ID: 59645318 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 10:06 |
This has been my theory for about a year. So, after pressing your theory that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen because of his father's British/Kenyan citizenship, you've completely abandoned that position in support of this new theory. After all, if Ann Dunham's marriage to Obama was a sham, to cover up her pregnancy by Marshall, then any talk of the president not being a Natural Born Citizen is moot, since both his parents were unquestionably American citizens. Thanks for clearing this up, so we can put this birther conspiracy to bed once and for all. Obama was born in Honolulu to a mother and father who were both American citizens. Case closed. | ||||||
| 1242 | Tree ID: 53840219 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 10:44 |
This topic is still alive and well within the GOP far right, yet calls for Romneys Tax Returns are treated with disdain by those same far right loons. I'd invite any intellectually honest explanation for that. i honestly believe it's rooted in racism, or maybe the slightly "lesser" form, bigotry. if Barack Obama was white and named Donald Worthington, we wouldn't be asking these questions. | ||||||
| 1243 | Mith ID: 98342014 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 11:45 |
my theory for about a year. So this would leave at least a 7 month period in which he was still advancing birther theories while he actually believed Obama's father was an American citizen. | ||||||
| 1244 | Mith ID: 98342014 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 11:46 |
if Barack Obama was white and named Donald Worthington, we wouldn't be asking these questions. Well, unless there was what appeard to be a black person's hand in Worthington's childhood photo, I'm sure... | ||||||
| 1245 | Perm Dude ID: 56832185 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 12:06 | PV's post is spot-on. If this is the new theory, it doesn't belong in this thread. | ||||||
| 1246 | Boldwin ID: 378202110 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 12:59 |
MITH I have always taken the position that Obama's version is a lie. While I post every new wrinkle of that lie that comes out, if you think about it I've been pretty quiet the last year. The two big new developments the last year has been Sheriff Arpaio proving the latest certificate is a forgery and the accumulation of evidence that Marshall was more involved in the lives of Obama and his mother than previously understood. I've come to think of Obama writing two autobiographies before the age of 40 as desperately keeping the lid on the embarrassing lie at base of his origin story and the depth of his communism commitment. | ||||||
| 1247 | Tree ID: 198162113 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 14:20 |
Sheriff Arpaio proving the latest certificate is a forgery that would be great evidence for your side...if it was actually true. but it's not. | ||||||
| 1248 | Perm Dude ID: 56832185 Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 14:24 |
I'd be interested in this proof. Last I heard, the Sheriff was demanding to see microfilm: Sheriff Joe's birther press conference | ||||||
| 1249 | biliruben ID: 59551120 Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 10:10 |
Daily News Speaking to a group of GOP diehards on Wednesday in Fairhope, Ala., party Chair Bill Armistead raved about a film called “Dreams From My Real Father.” The movie claims President Obama’s grandfather was a CIA agent who convinced Barack Obama Sr. to marry his teenage daughter to hide the fact that she’d been secretly impregnated by a communist. See 1238. | ||||||
| 1250 | Pancho Villa ID: 59645318 Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 21:32 |
I verified that it is factual, all of it This is a very enlightening statement into the midset that equates theories, accusations, and innuendo as factual. We were treated to similar yestrday on this very forum: Sheriff Arpaio proving the latest certificate is a forgery Again, this new line that Marshall is Obama's real father, completely discredits the original birther theory that Obama was born in Kenya or that he's constitutionally unqualified to be president because of some fictional natural born citizen clause. So, what's the motivation? Marshall passed on the communist gene to his illigitimate son? Other than somehow getting DNA samples from Marshall and Obama Sr., likely a complete impossibility, is there any way to know for sure who the real father is? I use that word, "likely", because it's at the heart of the American Thinker article linked to in #1236. Ann, Gilbert says, was about five weeks pregnant when she posed, and the photographer was likely also her lover. The other word at the heart of that article is "believes." Kengor and Gilbert believe Gilbert believes It might be interesting to some to conjecture about what people think is likely or what they believe, but let's not confuse that with things that are factual. I believe, and think it's likely, that Building 7 was imploded on 9/11/01. Funny thing is, this who's Obama's real father thing is some kind of soap opera that has nothing to do with the man who is president in 2012. Yet, from the American Thinker article: The truth will eventually come out, perhaps in 2013, but maybe not for many more years. When it does, historians will ask why the media was complicit in deceiving the American public If this statement pertained to the destruction of Building 7, it would be pertinent. But dealing as it is with a manufactured soap opera about people who have been dead for decades and have no bearing on anything relevant in 2012, it just reeks of an agenda of personal hatred. | ||||||
| 1251 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 22:13 |
I verified that it is factual, all of it Is the Right-Wing Psyche Allergic to Reality? A New Study Shows Conservatives Ignore Facts More Than Liberals | ||||||
| 1252 | Pancho Villa ID: 59645318 Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 23:30 |
I've come to think of Obama writing two autobiographies before the age of 40 as desperately keeping the lid on the embarrassing lie at base of his origin story and the depth of his communism commitment. - Boldwin There's no factual evidence that there's any lie at the base of his origin story, but even if it is a fact that Davis turned out to be Obama's real father, why would it be embarrassing? It's not like Obama had any hand in the shennanigans his mother, grandparents, and the other participants might have been involved with prior to his birth. And how is that more embarrassing than the story that Obama Sr was actually a bigamist with a wife back in Kenya? As for his "communist committment", this, of course is based on his relationship with Davis when a teenager. From the American Thinker: Davis was the single most important influence in shaping the political beliefs of the young Obama It goes on to describe Davis as a ponographer, womanizer and sexual predator. And yet, there's no statement proclaiming Davis was the single most important influence in shaping the sexual beliefs of the young Obama. So, a teen age boy completely buys into a "communist committment" from his alleged mentor, but chooses to be a dedicated monogamous family man instead of a Bill Clinton clone, despite being regaled with escapades of sexual conquests complete with pictures? Gilbert's reflections on the media are fitting here, because he spells out the danger: All evidence indicates that Barack Obama was raised and indoctrinated by Frank Marshall Davis, Communist Party propagandist, during his formative years. And all evidence indicates that Barack Obama, his entire life, pursued the dreams from his real father. And what are those dreams? They are the dreams of a forced imposition of a classic Stalinist/Marxist agenda upon America at home and abroad. And what is the history of Marxism? ...Marxism leads to economic ruin and the biological destruction of populations and societies... link All evidence? Indoctrination? Dreams from his real father? These are the ravings of lunatics. For these "journalists" to suggest they know what Davis and Obama spoke about or the depths of their relationship is pure folly. Where are the interviews with Obama's close school mates at Punahou detailing Barry and Frank hanging out talking about the biological destruction of populations and societies? The extrapolations are fantasy based, again, reeking of personal hatred. So, spare us Boldwin with your, "I've come to think...." You haven't really thought about it at all. You just lap up whatever is spewed out there without any kind of cognitive reasoning or intellectual integrity. | ||||||
| 1253 | biliruben ID: 21841115 Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 09:49 |
It really is remarkable, despite all actual evidence, what these folks are able convince themselves of. If it weren't for Boldwin, I would go with a cynical Ockham's razor explanation: they were all simply being paid. That's the simplest explanation, and one I could actually feel much more comfortable with. The truth is much scarier. That there are that many people with significant psychiatric issues out there. | ||||||
| 1254 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 17:55 |
Taitz slapped around by judge after suing Occidental College for Obama records. "You should know that evidence is not stuff printed from the internet." Hmmm. Wonder if that can be applied here... | ||||||
| 1255 | Tree ID: 55115417 Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:06 |
of course it can. but that's not even my favorite quote from the article: On a radio podcast he went on after the case, attorney Jay Ritt, a friend of Botterud’s who was brought on to assist Occidental defend its position, commented on Taitz’s legal skills. “I would like to take credit for a spectacular job preparing papers and going down to the Orange County Superior Court and arguing this case and getting sanctions, but I honestly believe a rhesus monkey could have beaten Ms. Taitz and got a sanction award based on the awful lack of merit to the subpoena itself,” Ritt said. “And the case itself, from what I could tell, seems just ludicrous on its face.” | ||||||
| 1256 | Boldwin ID: 51036421 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 01:13 |
 http://minutemennews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/altered-national-archives-1961-hawaii-arrival-records-12-20-2012.jpg | ||||||
| 1257 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 01:17 | when B, will you admit that this whole effort, is perpetrated BY fraudsters? | ||||||
| 1258 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 02:12 |
Wait--this is still a thing? In World War II, they would question would-be spies by asking them baseball questions. Now, would-be idiots are just asked about Obama's birthplace. | ||||||
| 1259 | Boldwin ID: 1303155 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 13:13 | And indeed all we have to do is ask if they believe the constitution matters, or if we should just blow it off whenever we feel like it. | ||||||
| 1260 | sarge33rd ID: 12554167 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 13:29 | Your entire premise, is false Boldwin. The courts, have already made that decision. You might as well continue to argue that the GOP initiative of an individual mandate in healthcare reform, is unconstitutional. | ||||||
| 1261 | Tree ID: 35054512 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 14:07 |
wait. last time i checked, those records were "missing"... i swear that there is a guy in Topeka who comes up with this stuff, and he's paid to fool the fools. i want that gig, because they are so easily suckered. | ||||||
| 1262 | DWetzel ID: 5411161018 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 14:17 |
"And indeed all we have to do is ask if they believe the constitution matters, or if we should just blow it off whenever we feel like it." This is actually right; too bad you don't even know what side you're on. Can we please have one "Boldwin's moronic conspiracy theories thread" and just confine this stuff there? | ||||||
| 1263 | Boldwin ID: 1303155 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 14:20 | Wait, what happened to the real August 1st? | ||||||
| 1264 | Perm Dude ID: 201027169 Sat, Jan 05, 2013, 14:43 |
"Before" will be "before the conspiracy theorist changed the date with PhotoShop." Nothing like generating your own evidence. | ||||||
| 1265 | Khahan ID: 54138190 Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 00:41 | 1259 - and isn't there something in that Constitution along the lines of innocent until proven guilty? | ||||||
| 1266 | Mith ID: 1311443016 Sat, Jan 19, 2013, 09:09 | Starved for attention, the Birther Queen has moved on to the tinfoiler issue du jour, Sandy Hook Trutherism. | ||||||
| 1267 | Boldwin ID: 125451212 Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 18:52 |
Hollywood producer Bettina Viviano, formerly Vice President of Production, Steven Spielberg's Amblin Entertainment. | ||||||
| 1268 | Tree ID: 275221211 Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 20:28 |
 or, if you prefer. now it all makes sense! 
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