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Subject: Limbaugh to buy Rams?
Posted by: Pancho Villa
- [10957119] Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 10:57
Rush Limbaugh and Dave Checketts are among bidders to buy the St. Louis Rams.
The first irony is that Limbaugh, who positions himself as a free market advocate who decries government intrusion and out of control spending, would team with Checketts, who recently blackmailed Salt Lake County for funds to build a soccer stadium in suburban Sandy for his MSL team.
Then there's the expected reaction from NFL players, a leaue that is roughly 70% black players.
Kiwanuka cringes at the idea of Limbaugh becoming an NFL owner. "They are flat-out racist," Kiwanuka said of many of Limbaugh's statements. "He jumps on Obama and he jumps on other people for being racist. But a lot of the comments that he said, I feel like they have no place in journalism. It is just an opinion show that should be only be taken for shock value. I liken it to 'South Park' when I am listening to him."
"I love Spags and would play for him in a heartbeat, but under that situation ... obviously trades you have no control over, but if it was a free-agent thing, I wouldn't care if I only had one offer on the table, I would rather stay a free agent."
Maybe Limbaugh believes he can create the kind of team that Checkett's alma mater BYU has accomplished some success with over the years - white and conservative. Good luck with that Rush and Dave. |
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| 37 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:27
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PV
They are only threatening you vicariously now, as they micromanage what the famous are allowed to say and still keep their lifestyles/livelihood.
They will indeed reach down and touch everyone having gotten away with this. First they came for...and no one protested. Then...
And PV, you know perfectly well that Obama is just the man who would do it too.
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| 38 | Slizz
ID: 288571512
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:33
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For the record, I think Michael Vick is a piece of crap. That being said, he also deserves the right to continue playing a professional football player at the highest level, as long as owners are willing to accept/pay him. He paid his debt to society and hopefully our system "rehabilitated" him...
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| 39 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:35
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I always did like that Rashied Davis.
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| 40 | Razor
ID: 57854118
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:37
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As I said in the Vick thread, Vick's having served his debt to society has nothing to do with his ability or "right" to play in the NFL. If the NFL wants Vick or Limbaugh, great. If not, great. Their business, their call. Boldwin seems to be pissed off that Limbaugh has pissed off so many people over the years that the NFL would reject him on account of it being bad for business.
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| 41 | Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:43
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No one is talking rights here, slizz, as much as Baldwin wants
to knock down that strawman.
Of course he has the right.
We are talking business. Rush is probably bad for business.
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| 42 | tree on the treo
ID: 287212811
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:44
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First they came for...and no one protested.
the irony of baldwin citing a poem who's first two stanzas defend communists and socialists is delicious...
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| 43 | Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:44
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Don't forget the trade unionists, tree!
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| 44 | Slizz
ID: 288571512
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:53
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I get that...and outside of my last sentence about Obama, my focus was on the business aspect. Bottom line, Rush's job is to stir the political pot and affirm people's beliefs (Boldwin/Baldwin - sorry if one leans the other way)...or drive them nuts (Tree, Seattle Zen). He gets paid extremely well to do that. If being politically correct got him the same $400 million contract, i'm sure he'd do that too. Not to get off topic, but correct me if i'm wrong - aren't the highest paid radio personalities somewhat insensitive and controversial (Off the top of my head - Stern, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck)?
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| 45 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 13:17
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Tree, you moron. I'm not in favor of Hitler's treatment of those people either.
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| 46 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 14:14
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I don't think Rush Limbaugh is a racist. And I've probably listened to him more that you accusers.
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| 47 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 14:15
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Slizz has this one nailed, basically.
My guess is that 3% of the population is genuinely bothered enough that Rush Limbaugh will be a small part of an ownership group to say something about it and/or participate in some meaningless opening day protest next year if he gets the team bought.
Roughly 3% of THAT group is genuinely bothered enough to actually do anything meaningful about it. Somehow I suspect that even the Rams have a season-ticket waiting list longer than the 100 yahoos that might give their tickets up in protest.
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| 48 | Great One
ID: 4778411
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 14:44
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The Rams have a waiting list?! haha... poor saps. :)
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| 49 | Great One
ID: 4778411
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 14:46
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In 2003, Limbaugh resigned from ESPN's NFL pregame show after saying Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed. Asked about Limbaugh's bid to purchase the Rams, McNabb said: "If he's rewarded to buy them, congratulations to him. But I won't be in St. Louis any time soon."
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| 50 | Slizz
ID: 288571512
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 15:37
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Lol...Per wikipedia, the Rams do not have a season ticket waiting list. Serious question - do you think a team consisting of the UFL all-stars could beat the St. Louis Rams?
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| 51 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 15:56
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Tree, you moron. I'm not in favor of Hitler's treatment of those people either.
never said you were. i just find your usage of that poem ironic, especially since Niemoller's principles are in stark contrast to your own.
i was actually discussing theology and belief in Christ and all that with one of my closest friends, who happens to be a convert to Christianity.
i mentioned you to him - how i've never heard him have a mean word to say to anyone, which of course is in stark contrast to you.
here is what he said "I also feel bad for that guy on your message board. We don't know his heart, but we know he's not acting kind hearted."
they were sage words, because it kind of makes me understand you better, and, also, makes me feel sorry for you.
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| 52 | Great One
ID: 4778411
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 15:58
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JP Losman at QB! Tatum Bell! Pittman! they'd be unstoppable...
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| 53 | Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:08
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OT, tree, but did you see this piece in The Onion? Brilliant!
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| 54 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:37
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When dealing with really committed and destructive troll-swine in a forum setting bluntness is required for the benefit of the lurker.
What would Jesus do? Bow out of this forum rather than throw pearls before swine and be gored by Tree and Sarge. To stick around and keep the swine at bay, means to more combative than I would like.
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| 55 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:39
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If God Had Wanted Me To Be Accepting Of Gays he wouldn't have destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah.
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| 56 | Razor
ID: 57854118
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:41
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Nothing should cause you act un-Christian, am I right?
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| 57 | Boldwin
ID: 1794329
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:55
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Consider me in 'Jesus whips the money-changers out of the temple' mode when I deal with Trolls.
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| 58 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 17:09
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What would Jesus do? Bow out of this forum rather than throw pearls before swine and be gored by Tree and Sarge. To stick around and keep the swine at bay, means to more combative than I would like.
whatever. i simply pointed out the irony in the true words of the poem you used.
you some how took it as me saying you approved of Hitler's methods.
fact of the matter, these days, the only hatred and nastiness on these boards is coming from you. you've got a lot of anger inside, and i feel sorry for you.
you might wanna talk to someone about that rage before it spills over and you attempt to hurt people with your actions, and not just your words.
If God Had Wanted Me To Be Accepting Of Gays he wouldn't have destroyed Soddom [sic] and Gomorrah.
like i said, hate and lack of tolerance - nothing new for you.
you're probably also intolerant of the Jewish version of why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, which is basically that the cities were destroyed because the inhabitants were cruel and simply rude to strangers.
and PD - thanks for that link. got several legit LOLs. it was made even more funny by Baldwin's response.
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| 59 | sarge33rd
ID: 469311317
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 18:31
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Boldy...you ARE the local troll.
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| 60 | rfs on blackberry
ID: 37931319
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 20:03
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I wonder if Bart Scott would line up and play beside a teammate who was a domestic abuser?
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| 61 | rfs on blackberry
ID: 37931319
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 20:07
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I wonder if the ass clown was smart enough to know his haters would cause such a stir to generate 10 million in free pr for him which will recruit more followers. I think he is laughing at us. .... Naw.
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| 62 | Seattle Zen
ID: 238441010
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 20:21
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cause such a stir to generate 10 million in free pr for him
You really think that the ass clown is not already overexposed? Seriously, what knuckledragger has not heard of Rush and his show? He's well beyond saturation.
Even the thought of Rush at an owner's meeting is enough for Irsay to speak out.
And, hey, this guy knows a$$holes, he sees one every morning in the mirror.
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| 63 | Pancho Villa
ID: 369201322
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 23:20
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First they came for...and no one protested.
Parroting Glenn Beck much?
The Obama administration offered some mild criticism of Fox News the other day. It called its reporting opinion, and not news, and labelled it a de factor arm of the GOP. Now Glenn Beck has responded by likening this onslaught to the murder of Six Million Jews.
Beck said: "When they're done with Fox, and you decide to speak out on something. The old, 'first they came for the Jews, and I wasn't Jewish' {comes to mind}."
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| 64 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 31924144
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 05:25
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Point of Information (Parliamentary Procedure):
The poem is emotional and poignant, yet lacks the first first, I believe.
Jehovah's Witnesses in Nazi Germany - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
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In April 1933, four months after Hitler became chancellor, Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in Bavaria and by the summer in most of Germany.
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From 1935 onward, Jehovah's Witnesses faced a Nazi campaign of nearly total persecution. On April 1, 1935, the group was banned nationally by law. The same year, Germany reintroduced compulsory military service. For refusing to be drafted or perform war-related work, and continuing to meet, Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested and incarcerated in prisons and concentration camps. In 1935 some 400 Jehovah's Witnesses were imprisoned at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.
In 1936 a special unit of the Gestapo (Secret State Police) began compiling a registry of all persons believed to be Jehovah's Witnesses, and agents infiltrated Bible study meetings. By 1939, an estimated 6,000 Witnesses (including those from incorporated Austria and Czechoslovakia) were detained in prisons or camps. Some Witnesses were tortured by police in attempts to make them sign a declaration / renouncing their faith, but few capitulated.
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Procede on.
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| 65 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 09:40
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not sure what you're talking about, Wilmer.
if you're discussing Niemoller's poem, in the past 70 or so years, it's been altered many times. According to Niemoller himself, the version where they came for the Communists and Socialists first is his preferred version.
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| 66 | Pancho Villa
ID: 369201322
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 09:42
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I fail to see the relevance of analogies comparing opposition to Rush Limbaugh owning an NFL team with thot police, speech police and Nazi oppression of JWs in 1930s Germany.
IMO, these analogies are just as much the work of thot and speech police as the tactics of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. If you oppose Limbaugh's bid to buy the Rams, you're a Nazi. It's pretty sad that Limbaugh refuses to take personal responsibility for comparing the NFL to notorious black street gangs. It's pretty sad that Limbaugh and his followers can't understand why black NFL players would take offense being compared to criminals.
Procede on.
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| 67 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 09:50
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Don't you know that a boycot is only an effective feature of capitalism when employed to produce an outcome that is favorable to the political right?
Otherwise it's a postmodernist politically correct exploitation of the free market.
This isn't hard peopl; you're a hero if you try convince people to boycot David Letterman becuase you don't like what he says. But you're a part of some Orwellian zeitgeist if you try to convince people to boycot Rush Limbaugh because you don't like what he says.
Duh.
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| 68 | Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 10:54
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read a good opinion article this morning with respect to Rush Limbaugh buying the Rams: Rush Duped Us...Again. Thoughts?
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| 69 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 11:08
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I was actually just thinking the same thing reading through the posts here. I started to think why does Rush even want to own part the Rams, must be some other end game.
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| 70 | Pancho Villa
ID: 369201322
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 14:19
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must be some other end game
It's an opportunity for the hard right to play matyr; to distort reality by using some of their favorite polarizing words and catch-phrases. Hugh Hewitt calls it the new McCartyism.
Now the NFL is in the swamp, and it will have to find its way out. You don't have to be a listener to Rush to see the hatchet job being done to him, to resent it, and to wonder what the next manifestation will be of the new McCarthyism. Indeed, fans of free speech generally should be as outraged as conservatives.
Poor Rush. Poor misunderstood Rush. Poor free speech denied Rush. Poor drug-addled Rush. Poor viagra smuggling Rush. Poor thrice divorced Rush. Poor super rich Rush. A victim of the new McCarthyism. Don't you see him defending himself in front of a panel of rabid Marxist senators?
Don't you see him losing his broadcasting career due to opinion-based smears, something Rush's brand of conservative would never do? Didn't Ann Coulter tell us that McCathyism was a good thing anyway?
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| 71 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 31924144
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 16:13
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RE: 65,66
I only wanted to add an overlooked historical fact. I wasn't comparing Jehovah's Witnesses to Rush.
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| 72 | Pancho Villa
ID: 369201322
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 16:51
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According to ESPN, Checketts dumps Limbaugh.
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| 73 | Seattle Zen
ID: 238441010
Wed, Oct 14x, 2009, 18:48
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Checketts dumps Limbaugh
To bad, so sad...
Smart businessman, there, that Dave Checketts. Not smart enough to foresee the backlash, but not too George W.-dumb to realize and correct his own mistake.
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| 74 | holt
ID: 308491916
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 01:17
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Are you guys tagging Limbaugh as a racist based on his McNabb comments? That whole deal was stretched out of proportion. There were even liberal journalists defending Limbaugh at the time. I think you could call those comments insensitive but I don't think they were racist. Dumb, yes. termination-of-employment worthy, yes. Racist, no. The other racist comments attributed to him were apparently fabricated by a blogger and posted to Wikipedia and then spread from there. I read something today where Limbaugh is going to take some form of legal action based on this. (?)
Anyway, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. When I'm driving I want drums and guitars. I doubt that any of you lefties listen to him either. Why would you want to??? Point being, you probably never heard him say any of those things about james earl ray being awesome or slavery being good, but you're quick to use the reputation he's gained based on those smears against him. I would guess that most of what you know of Limbaugh is based on outright lies and sound-bites that are taken out of context. Despising someone based on the fact that they hold polar opposite political beliefs to yours is cool and all, but disinformation is bad for everyone. It's not cool. Just the facts please. If you think the McNabb stuff was bad enough that he should be blocked from buying the Rams then so be it, that's your opinion. I just have to say that as a life-long Rams fan I'm a little pissed that someone who would have shown actual interest in making this team good again has been blocked from buying them. I have no doubt that he would have made a concerted effort to improve the quality of the Rams roster and coaching staff, something that current ownership has no interest in. To all you non-Rams fans who helped to screw this venture up, screw all of ya! If someone more competent than Limbaugh buys them now, then thanks I guess. :D
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| 75 | Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 01:30
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life-long Rams fan
So, you were a LA Rams fan, then after they moved to St. Louis, you hung on? Or did you start in Cleveland? Huge Norm Van Brocklin fan or was it Bob Waterfield?
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| 76 | holt
ID: 308491916
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 01:46
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Are you making a joke? I have no idea, sorry. Anyway, yeah I was an LA fan (old enough to remember Joe and Jack Youngblood) and then a StL fan, fwiw. They were good in the 70's, then went into what I would call the dark ages, were good again for a brief time, and now I'm afraid we're in the dark ages again already. I'd like for them to stop sucking so hard.
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| 77 | holt
ID: 308491916
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 02:05
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Oops, Jim Youngblood, not Joe. I got a Rams uniform one Christmas with John Cappelletti's number 22 (at my request!). I was maybe 7 yrs old.
People who grow up in NFL cities don't really choose their favorite team. They are born into it. Being born in Oklahoma, I simply picked the team that had the coolest uniform. It didn't hurt that they were also good at the time.
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| 78 | Mith
ID: 159201318
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 08:27
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Holt
Limbaugh has a long history of offensive comments. And yes he occasionally wades into racism in these rants.
I take no issue with a player or fan who looks at the list in that link and doesn't want his services or his business to be associated with that.
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| 79 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 08:54
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I doubt that any of you lefties listen to him either. Why would you want to??? Point being, you probably never heard him say any of those things about james earl ray being awesome or slavery being good, but you're quick to use the reputation he's gained based on those smears against him.
i also never heard Hitler say anything directly attributed to him, but i don't like him either.
i'm not comparing the two in any way, just saying i don't need to hear a person's words directly to dislike that person.
and you are correct - some of the things attributed to him, he never said. personally, i'd never heard the James Earl Ray or slavery comment you mentioned, until you did.
and i would be just as critical of the people fabricating those remarks as i am of the people who post on this board who deal in fabrications and find it acceptable to spread them.
aside from the obvious issues with spreading lies, the fact remains (as MITH showed), Limbaugh says enough things that are racially-tinged and offensive that there is no point in lying or exaggerating.
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| 80 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 10:48
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Also...
you're quick to use the reputation he's gained based on those smears against him. I would guess that most of what you know of Limbaugh is based on outright lies and sound-bites that are taken out of context. Despising someone based on the fact that they hold polar opposite political beliefs to yours is cool and all, but disinformation is bad for everyone. It's not cool. Just the facts please.
With all due respect, Holt, you obviously don't spend enough time reading the comments hear if that's the kind of "guess" you'd make about what most of us "know of Limbaugh". For the record, some of us pay rather close attention to the media and in point of fact do look into context - something you apparently believe is likley beyond the standards of "any of us lefties".
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| 81 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 13:09
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A. Serwer at The American Prospect Kathryn Jean Lopez said Limbaugh being rejected was "an outrage," adding that Limbaugh was taken off the deal "because of his politics." On Twitter, the normally astute Jon Henke repeated this canard, asking "What would happen if NFL told Olbermann or @Maddow their political views made them ineligible for NFL team?"
Limbaugh's "political views" weren't the problem. His racial views were the problem. The players and NFL officials who spoke up didn't complain that Limbaugh was a Republican, they didn't even complain about his "views." They complained about actual things he said about black people that made him an inappropriate candidate to own a team in an organization with such a large contingent of African Americans.
The NFL is an organization made up of a lot of people who make a great deal of money -- I would guess that on average, management and ownership probably skews Republican. But it's also an organization made up of a lot of black people -- and while the right was focused on debunking racist things Limbaugh didn't say, they pretty much ignored Limbaugh's record of racist commentary, which includes not only a habit of comparing black athletes to gang members but a general hostility toward black people. Limbaugh only recently suggested that having a black president encouraged black children to beat up white children -- he's also compared President Obama's agenda to "slavery reparations," used epithets to reference his biracial background, and compared Democrats responding to the concerns of black voters to rape.
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| 82 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 15:08
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Redstate.com: Tonight, Rush is us. And we are him.
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| 83 | Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 15:19
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True dat.
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| 84 | Mith
Dude
ID: 01629107
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 17:11
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The insidious Thot Police have set their sights on the NFL!
Scary stuff!
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| 85 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Oct 15, 2009, 17:51
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Thot Police I read that as "The Police" and thought man sting got the band together and is buying a NFL team. What a disappointment i got when i hit the link to see which team.
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| 86 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Fri, Oct 16, 2009, 09:49
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Limbaugh revels in his victim-hood.
This just had to be a setup the entire time. He's having too much fun.
On his syndicated show Thursday, Limbaugh said he was approached by St. Louis Blues chairman Dave Checketts earlier this year about participating in a Rams bid. Checketts assured him his involvement as a minority investor had been vetted by the NFL, he said.
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Limbaugh blamed Smith, executive director of the NFLPA and an “Obama-ite,” along with Sharpton and Jackson, whom he referred to as “race hustlers,” for Checketts’ decision to drop him. He said his sacking was an example of the political clout wielded by President Barack Obama’s administration.
“What is happening to the National Football League, what is about to happen to it, has already happened to Wall Street, has already happened to the automobile business,” Limbaugh said.
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