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Subject: 2010 Baseball Forum draft discussion
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [5510572522] Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 13:39
For the Chatty Cathy's.
I'm going to open the draft in a few minutes. Again, if you can doublecheck my work I'd appreciate it. The trades were tricky, so please let me know ASAP if something is off. |
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| 399 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 12:16
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A is really revolutionary as it creates a secondary road onto the prospect list.
Rule B is growing on me. It pleases me the way it mirrors the way a RL team would play with their farm. Can you imagine how locked out of the bigs a prospect would be if they were never called up unless the team was positive he was ready?
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| 400 | Punk42AE
ID: 582102623
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 12:17
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I'm with Tree, I don't really see why we should change the rule at all. If you want to call up someone good for you, but that comes with the price that you're taking him off your own prospect status and you would have to have him as one of your Roster Keepers the following season, or release him for free game.
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| 401 | Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 12:40
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In this league, I'm a firm beleiver in the addage "keep it
simple."
niether rule does that.
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| 402 | Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 22:11
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Taylor would have been my pick if I didn't already have a few
big league- ready prospects.
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| 403 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 22:48
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I prefer status quo and keeping it simple.
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| 404 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 00:40
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i'm going to be kayaking much of the day tomorrow, so i likely won't be online much. anyone want to take a queue for my next pick?
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| 405 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 00:42
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send it over
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| 406 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 00:46
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alright, i'll send you something shortly. thanks.
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| 407 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 10:08
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Where are you kayaking in North Texas? Granted, the Trinity isn't the East River, but...
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| 408 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 11:12
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C1, you're back up in the prospect draft.
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| 409 | Punk42AE
ID: 582102623
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 16:16
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Umm actually I was supposed to be up
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| 410 | Taxman
ID: 352492521
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 16:25
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Punk..we get 5 prospects...you kept three and took 1 in each of the first two rounds. I think that makes 5 and puts C1 in the 3.01 draft slot.
Concurance?
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| 411 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 16:41
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Punk called up Jeff clement and used his last draft choice to get him. I think he should get one more prospect.
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| 412 | Taxman
ID: 352492521
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 16:51
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I am confused. Maybe the commish can answer question. I will be out of pocket the next few hours.
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| 413 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 17:13
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B7
That's not how we've done it in the past AFAIK.
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| 414 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 17:32
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Oops. It looks like you didn't want Mike Montgomery, anyway. Or did you? Hmm.
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| 415 | tree on the treo
ID: 287212811
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 17:44
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ok...clements was a prospect keeper.
the key here is that he was a keeper. iirc, punk does not get an additional pick in his normal slot because when he declared keepers, clements was just that, a keeper.
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| 416 | Building 7
ID: 232122716
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 18:34
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He's only got 4 keepers.
At the beginning of the keeper draft he only had 2 keepers.
He could have had an extra draft pick and called up Clements after the keeper draft. Nobody said anything.
I think nerve did something similar last year.
He finished in 13th place.
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| 417 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 18:58
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Nerve and AF both did it last year.
what i'm trying to figure out is if they got a pick in their normal slot, or at the end of the draft.
looking back, it may have been in their normal slot, and if so, i retract what i said above in post 415.
he definitely gets a pick - where that slot is, is another story.
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| 418 | Taxman
ID: 352492521
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 20:27
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I'm guessing that the PD's silence approves of PUNK taking the 3.01 pick...renumbering C-1 to 3.02 and Montgomery, I will make pick 3.03.
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| 419 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 20:53
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Hmmm. I just got back from Mass--missed all the above.
The use of the last pick to call up a prospect has been done before, and (as I recall) we've permitted the manager to make enough picks in the prospect draft to flesh out a full squad of five.
I'll root around a little more, but I don't recall any case of the draft order changing as a result.
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| 420 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 21:00
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The only one I can find that is handy is 2008, when Zen called up Phil Hughes as his last pick. This dropped his prospect keeper list from 3 to 2. He drafted three players in that year's prospect draft.
The thing is, he won the league the year before, so he already was drafting last each round, so this is not conclusive about the draft order changing. But is seems conclusive that the spot made from a called up prospect is filled with that year's prospect draft.
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| 421 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 01:11
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I think we are waiting for Baldwin to pick? perhaps moi?
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| 422 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 01:17
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Baldwin, it looks like. I'll email him.
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| 423 | biliruben
ID: 16105237
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 09:03
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I railed against this for a few years, then gave up. Nerve is the master and the trick's defender.
Basically you are double-dipping - getting either an extra prospect or an extra keeper, depending on which eye is closed at the time. I'm over it now, however.
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| 424 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 09:10
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Basically you are double-dipping - getting either an extra prospect or an extra keeper, depending on which eye is closed at the time. I'm over it now, however.
that's why i swear we closed that loop hole a couple of years ago by NOT allowing an additional prospect pick.
seems to me that when you name your keepers, including prospects, that's that. and if you call up a prospect in the draft, you don't get to fill that slot.
i am nearly certain that what we did previously, and then somehow it got convoluted.
closing that loophole is a VERY simple way to avoid the double dipping.
do i need to start another thread to propose a rule, because i'd like to propose one that says "if you call up a prospect during the regular draft, you do not get a pick in the prospect draft to replace the call up."
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| 425 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 09:47
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ESPN auction values 10 team
I'm in a 20 team, 30 man roster auction league tomorrow. The above link is values for a 10 team league. Also we get $300 vs. $260. I've never done an auction league. Anyways, does anybody know how to convert these values to a 20 team league. i.e. Pujols is $35 on the linked cheat sheet. What should he go for in my league? Is it twice that much? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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| 426 | Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 09:55
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As part of the Miguel Cabrera controversy, I called him up with my last draft pick and then only had 4 prospects that year. Not saying that's the rule, but it's what I recall happening then.
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| 427 | biliruben
ID: 16105237
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 10:39
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I don't think it's linear, B7 - you are simply going to have a lot more $1 players on your squad, but Pujols is still going to go for a fairly large pile of nickels.
Just a quick thought with no experience behind it.
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| 428 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 11:36
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do i need to start another thread to propose a rule, because i'd like to propose one that says "if you call up a prospect during the regular draft, you do not get a pick in the prospect draft to replace the call up." - Tree
See that's the way I thot it was, and not having been a commissioner, I failed to notice exceptions taking place.
Then again I must have called up Weiters immediately. I wonder why I didn't come smack up against this issue then?
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| 429 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 11:42
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I particularly like B7 and Taxman's prospect draft.
That gives B7 wins in both drafts....he's got the big Mo.
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| 430 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 11:56
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bili, propose that rule, then. I started to write something like "A manager can use his last regular draft pick to select a player from his prospect list but in so doing loses the ability to fill that spot in the subsequent prospect draft" but maybe it is easiest to simply say: "A manager may not select in the regular draft a player already on his prospect roster."
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| 431 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 12:11
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I only had 2 picks and I failed to cash in on the short-lived Ackley-mania.
My thinking (always scary) is that there are 10 extra bidders each with $300. That's an extra $3000 floating around vs a 10 team draft. But, 300 extra players will be drafted, most for $1. I'm guessing they are going to go up in price.
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| 432 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 12:33
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Building 7>>>
I ran the numbers in Baseball HQ.
Only top 1Bs eg Pujols ($45 to $39 and Fielder ($31 to $27),
ARod, Braun ($35 to $33) and all catchers ex Mauer, Martinez
and McCann go DOWN in value. Everbody else is UP. The
amount is dependent on position (scarcity factor involved). Some
examples:
1B: Morales $15 to $23, Loney $6 to $18.
2B: Pedroia $18 to $26, Uggla $4 to $8.
3B: Sandoval $17 to $25, Kouzmanoff $5 to $13.
SS: Jeter $16 to $25, Andrus $2 to $17!!
OF Lind $24 to $26, Werth $15 to $20, Abreu $19 to $25, Span
$10 to $22, Pierre $8 to $27!!, Bourn $2 to $21!!! (Steals at a big
premium), Willingham $4 to $13.
SP: Halladay $34 to $38, Peavy $15 to $17, Buerhle $6 to $10.
Closers: Broxton $11 to $26!!, Bell $6 to $18, and Hoffman $1
to $16!!.
Let me know if you need any other names. If I have time I will
run the same exercise through Baseball Prospectus.
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| 433 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 12:34
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Sorry I didn't see the $260 and $300 difference let me see what
happens.
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| 434 | coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 12:47
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With $300..
Pujols $45 to $46, Fielder $31 to $32, ARod stays at $37, Braun
$35 to
$38.
Mauer $27 to $35, Martinez $19 to $25, Soto $15 to $14, Baker
$13 to $9 ....assuming 2 catchers in the league.
Morales $15 to $27, $6 to $21.
Pedroia $18 to $30, Uggla $4 to $9.
Sandoval $17 to $29, Kouz $5 to $15.
Jeter $16 to $29, Andrus $2 to $20.
Lind $24 to $30, Werth $15 to $23, Bourn $2 to $24.
Halladay $34 to $44, Peavy $15 to $20, Buerhle $6 to $12.
Broxton $11 to $30, Bell $6 to $21, Hoffman $1 to $18.
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| 435 | Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 13:00
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PD - I would if I cared. Given that my final pick in the
prospect draft has almost never born fruit, the impact on the
league is simply negligable.
The most impact generally is seen with prospects who
recently earned a starting gig in the bigs, but we have
enough savvy drafters that the quality is gone in the main
draft.
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| 436 | Building 7
ID: 471052128
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 13:31
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OK, Thanks cc. It looks like the top players have a slight increase and those borderline to make a 10 team lineup will go up a lot, because they are now a sure-fire starter in a 20 team league. And those ranked 12th to 20th can go from $1 to whatever the bidding brings.
Closers...instead of 3 available per bidder (30/10) are now 1.5 per bidder. (30/20) Same thinking for big-time base stealers. Those are the ones that can double. The $1 players may be pretty bad.
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| 437 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 13:32
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but we have
enough savvy drafters that the quality is gone in the main
draft.
well, do we use this for another rule, in the interest of leveling the playing field? perhaps simply not being able to draft someone with no MLB experience?
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| 438 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 17:28
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Let's see if I have this straight. We don't keep track of whether someone has ever been on a regular roster before. For this draft all we look at is whether they still qualify 300AB/125IP. Is that correct?
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| 439 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 17:44
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Yes. So long as they aren't already a prospect or drafted already.
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| 440 | Building 7
ID: 232122716
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 21:12
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Another auction draft question. Once in awhile I get to nominate who we bid on. Is there any strategy there. I was in some mock drafts and all the expensive guys went first. That may be because some were on autopick.
I was thinking of tossing a speed guy out there (N. Morgan) and overbid 1.5 x his price before people catch on that they should go for double. Or a closer.
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| 441 | biliruben
ID: 16105237
Sat, Apr 03, 2010, 10:03
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I might try tossing out the guys on my list just under the one I'm interested in. If I am interested in a speedy OF, toss out the speedy OFs you don't want first. Satiate the others who want speedy OFs, then you will have less competition when your speedy Of comes on the market.
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| 442 | Building 7
ID: 232122716
Sat, Apr 03, 2010, 11:37
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Thanks bili. It sounds sinister. I like it.
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| 443 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Apr 03, 2010, 22:19
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I usually nominate players I don't want, as long as I am sure they
will get drafted example Adam Dunn, just to drain money from
people.
Also once I draft a position, for example SS, I then nominate short
stops the next few rounds to also drain money where I am covered.
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| 444 | Boldwin
ID: 362262121
Sun, Apr 04, 2010, 13:48
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Since you guys discontinued the Poliboard Basketball League it is a long long empty stretch in my fun schedule between seasons. Baseball at last!
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| 445 | nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 13:59
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Watching the Phillies-Nats on the Ipod touch... Life is good.
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| 446 | Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 15:10
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Listening to dodgers while pretending to work. Baseball at
last!
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| 447 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 15:40
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There was a poli hoops league? maybe we should revive it and merge with Elimination Chamber which will be looking for some more people for next year. We can call it the Social Justice Chamber or something.
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| 448 | Boldwin
ID: 535651
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 21:28
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I'm certainly game for an expert basketball league. I really don't enjoy public leagues. Too easy to win.
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