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Subject: Arbeit Macht Frei - Work Makes You Free
Posted by: Baldwin
- [30327249] Sat, Apr 24, 2010, 20:06
'War is Peace'. In '1984', our insiders' rosetta stone of the plans of the power elite, The future is dominated by a diminution of the meanings of words.
One of the next pushes will be to melt down the meaning of the word freedom so that it no longer can be used as a club over the head of the collectivists, statists, communitarians, marxists...chose your description of those who would steal our individual freedom and replace it with forced labor and stolen resources taken at an inopportune time not of our choosing, transmitted thru the inherrently inefficient hands of government, for the benefit of those who have not earned it and therefore will not fully appreciate it.
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| 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Apr 24, 2010, 20:38
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Accusing others of doing exactly what you are is practically Rovian.
It would work, too, if we already hadn't noticed the Far Right's willingness to bend the rules of meaning long ago.
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| 2 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Apr 24, 2010, 21:07
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Another example of the Right's "We didn't get what we wanted, so we'll blow overheated rhetoric at you":
Franklin Graham gets disinvited from a Pentagon prayer breakfast because of his continued anti-Islam remarks, so what is the reaction: "Bottom line: you want to know who's now running the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy and the Marines and calling the shots where it counts? Fundamentalist Muslims and homosexual activists."
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| 4 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 18:28
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Well that was not germane.
I would like to moderate what might be the assumptions of some.
I am not denying we all should feel a personal obligation to help others in need, especially where they have expended themselves fully and still cannot meet their needs.
Anyone who claims that the government performs that roll for us, and does so acceptibly, needs to prove that it does enuff good to offset the harm that it does.
History is rife with proof that this is almost never the case and that such an altruistic utopia has never remotely come close to satisfactory. The failures going down that road in my estimation being so severe as to forever preclude ever going down that road again.
'We'll get it right this time' just does not cut it, and having so much proof it doesn't work, the burden of proof that a new 'five year plan' of wealth redistribution will finally lead us to the promised land should be monumental indeed.
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| 5 | tree on the treo
ID: 287212811
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 20:00
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so we allow someone to use nazi propaganda to paste liberals with a broad brush stroke, yet questioning the moral issue of a church is not allowed?
since when?
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| 6 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 20:03
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Since you posted it as a challenge to him personally.
That's right: Broad crackpot over-generalizations are more acceptable than personal attacks. And yes, I consider the post to be a personal attack, the way it was written.
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 20:03
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I should note that I did not delete the post myself--I saw it, but someone else whacked it before I got to it.
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| 8 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 00:48
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fair enough i will not make it personal to anyone on this board the next time i reference the Jehovah's Witnesses as being pretty darn secretive about the pedophile accusations for their religion.
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| 9 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 06:06
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Tree
You have once again proven that your sole purpose in being here is to make discussion impossible.
If the regulars see no problem sitting down at the table with someone who instead of discussion insists on random and inappropriate charges of racism and pedophilia what a sorry table it is.
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| 10 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 08:34
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it's not as if it's a big secret...although, much like the Catholic Church and their own sex abuse scandals, there's a lot that was attempted to be secretive, to church higher-ups, but much of that did leak out...
Details of the policy have been published in Jehovah's Witnesses' publications and press releases issued by their Office of Public Information. Some details are found only in letters to elders which, while solely for internal use, have been made available on the Internet.
it's a widespread enough problem that there's even a group dedicated to helping survivors of sexual abuse in the Jehovah's Witness church...
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| 11 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 10:32
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It's an interesting gauge of how important this thread's subject is, that such an outrageous tactic would be used to try and kill it.
The recent Pew finding showing only 22 percent of Americans trusting the federal government should give anyone pause who believes government should be so large as to bandage every boo boo."A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." - G. Ford Sure you can get some support for any specific government fix, but do you really believe that if government were empowered to reach that far, micro-manage that much, that the expense would be bearable? In point of historic fact governments quickly reach a point where the government is so expensive and overbearing that the solution is worse than the problem.
Because there is no money tree.
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| 13 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 11:10
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How they are going to spin it:
Just ran across this one. They are going to call 'getting government off our backs 'negative freedom', ie. lack of government coercion.
Gotta have a euphemism for government coercion. Don't want people thinking about that part of the equation.
Then on the other side of Sherwood Forrest where they hand some of it back it's going to be called 'effective freedom'.
Of course killing the golden goose is not an effective way to mine for gold, but it does suggest to the simple mind that the government, which only 22% trust, is effective.
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 11:32
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It's an interesting gauge of how important this thread's subject is, that such an outrageous tactic would be used to try and kill it.
what's good for the goose is good for the gander, unless you can't handle your own tactics.
it's what you do constantly, spinning every thread here in a direction that is unrelated to the original topic.
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| 15 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 11:38
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Doesn't make it right for anyone to do. Acting crazy in order to demonstrate the craziness of someone else only has the effect of making everyone act crazy.
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| 17 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 11:48
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i was just making a point and gauging the reaction. it's not an issue i am going to continue to pursue.
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