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Subject: Times Square bomber
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [5510572522] Tue, May 04, 2010, 21:25
Not as much about this act as the Underwear Bomber, but this doesn't make wackos like Marc Thiessen from about being angry that the suspect was read his rights.
Somehow, despite the galling lack of torture to gather intelligence, the FBI found that the "bomb" wasn't really--how shall I say it?--explosive.
Fallows with a great essay on "If the TSA were running New York" and a good follow-up. If the point of terrorism is to make us run about like timid moles, they won by a landslide. |
1 | Jag
ID: 1241047 Tue, May 04, 2010, 22:34
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I was discussing this with a friend on Ventrilo and he was telling me a theory about how they were going after Viacom, who produces the South Park episodes. I love that show , which attacks both the far right and the far left.
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2 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Tue, May 04, 2010, 23:00
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Wish I could see more episodes, myself. They are brilliant.
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3 | Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157 Tue, May 04, 2010, 23:18
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Just finished watching the Cartman as the East LA teacher/ Mr Garrison penis grafted on the mouse episode.
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4 | astade Sustainer
ID: 214361313 Tue, May 04, 2010, 23:38
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I wonder why he waited 2 days before trying to board a plane? While the TSA/Homeland Security can claim a victory that he didn't leave the country, imagine if he had attempted to fly out on Sat evening or even Sunday?!
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6 | Mith
ID: 482583111 Wed, May 05, 2010, 10:55
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For the record The chief suspect in the case of the failed Times Square car bombing is Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad, who has confessed to the plot. Much of the media has latched onto Shahzad’s Muslim faith and his Pakistani identity, making inflammatory remarks and suggestions about Muslims and Pakistanis:– CNN contributor and Redstate.com blogger Erick Erickson complained that the words “muslim” and “Islam” are “not mentioned” enough in stories about Shahzad. He wrote, “It really is pathetic that you’re more likely to see the words “racist” and “Republican” together in the newspaper these days than “terrorism” and “Islam.” [5/4/2010]
– Hate radio host Neal Boortz tweeted, “OMG! The Times Square Bomber is a Muslim! Shocker! Who would have believed it?” [5/4/2010]
– The cover of today’s Washington Post-published Express features a black-and-white photo of Shahzad with the sensationalist headline “MADE IN PAKISTAN” [5/5/2010] Yet one fact being ignored in the American media’s sensationalist narrative about the failed bombing is the fact that the man who was responsible for police finding the bomb was Muslim. The UK’s Times Online reports that Aliou Niasse, a Senagalese Muslim immigrant who works as a photograph vendor on Times Square, was the first to bring the smoking car to the police’s attention
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7 | Tree
ID: 248472317 Wed, May 05, 2010, 11:21
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the more i read about it, the more i'm wondering if this isn't another case of a guy simply losing his $hit because of the destruction of his American Dream.
he spend much of his adult life in the Northeast, had an MBA, a wife, and two children, and they owned a home in a good neighborhood in Connecticut.
but then he lost his job, and eventually the home, and the family was apparently forced to move into a small apartment in a less-than-desirable neighborhood.
not excusing his actions, but his background doesn't really indicate a lifelong or even remotely long-term Muslim extremist background.
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8 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 11:26
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Nor bomb making.
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9 | Myboyjack
ID: 447112610 Wed, May 05, 2010, 11:51
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Tree- i think he quit his job. Then made several trips to Pakistan and abondoned his house. Sounds like a radicalized rube to me.
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10 | Tree
ID: 248472317 Wed, May 05, 2010, 12:04
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Tree- i think he quit his job. Then made several trips to Pakistan and abondoned his house.
actually, it appears, so far, that he made a single trip to Pakistan. you are correct, however, that he left his job on his own accord.
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11 | Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215 Wed, May 05, 2010, 12:11
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I'm glad he has a MBA rather than a Masters in Chemistry.
I think it says a lot about the American public/MSM that this stupid story has trumped the Nashville flood and the Gulf oil disaster. Poorly executed dreamed-up debacle more important than two actual disasters?
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12 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613 Wed, May 05, 2010, 15:38
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I'll tell you what was telling. Bloomberg immediately goes on Katie Couric and makes the supposition it might have been tea partiers.
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13 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 15:41
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Actually, he was speculating and he said he thought it might be a domestic terrorist. He never said tea partiers.
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14 | Farn @ work Leader
ID: 451044109 Wed, May 05, 2010, 15:43
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PD - shhhh.... its no fun if you guys continue to point out the inaccuracies of certain posters. You are supposed to be mindless sheep who take in propaganda.
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15 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 15:50
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sorry.
Don't tell ref on me.
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16 | Tree
ID: 248472317 Wed, May 05, 2010, 16:25
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Actually, he was speculating and he said he thought it might be a domestic terrorist. He never said tea partiers.
actually, i'm pretty sure he said "a squadron of genetically engineered super dachshunds."
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17 | Boldwin
ID: 183112613 Wed, May 05, 2010, 17:15
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Actually, he was speculating
Also called supposition.
and he said he thought it might be a domestic terrorist. He never said tea partiers.
..."someone who doesn't like the healthcare bill"...ie a tea partier, the HCR bill being the catalyst which created the Tea Party movement.
Watch your smugness/justification for smugness ratio. It really sux, as I was completely accurate unlike those who commented on my post.
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18 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Wed, May 05, 2010, 17:46
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Er, no. Unless you believe that domestic terrorists are all tea partiers. And that people who don't like the healthcare bill are all tea party members.
Am I going to have to draw this up as a Venn diagram?
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19 | DWetzel
ID: 278201415 Wed, May 05, 2010, 17:53
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Hasn't it been proven that he's completely impervious to logic?
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20 | astade Sustainer
ID: 214361313 Wed, May 05, 2010, 22:52
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Nice link on how to create a Venn diagram in MS Office.
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21 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 194174 Fri, May 07, 2010, 05:07
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Exception to Miranda Takes Center Stage in Times Square Plot (Huffington Post May 4, 20101 Brian Levin, J.D.
As politicians and commentators square off over terrorism defendants like Faisal Shahzad, the alleged Times Square bomb plotter, being read their Miranda rights an important point is often missed. The United States Supreme Court has carved out a critical exception to the iconic legal rule that is often overlooked, but very important in cases like this. During a press conference at the Justice Department the FBI's Deputy Director John Pistole mentioned that the 30 year old naturalized American citizen from Pakistan was questioned pursuant to the public safety exception to the Miranda rule and that he provided authorities with valuable information. Pistole also explained that Shahzad continued his cooperation even after he was read his rights. Shahzad's charges in federal district court in Manhattan relate to terrorism and use of a weapon of mass destruction.
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Almost twenty years after Miranda the United States Supreme Court under the more conservative leadership of Chief Justice Warren Burger reined in Miranda for the first time by carving the public safety exception. In New York v. Quarles, 467 U.S. 649 (1984), the High Court held that in limited circumstances where legitimate concerns about public safety exist, evidence and statements are admissible in a subsequent trial even when a suspect is not informed of his Miranda rights. In Quarles an armed rape suspect fled into a supermarket where he ditched his gun. Upon capture by the NYPD he was found to have an empty shoulder holster and was asked where his gun was. The court held that a public safety exception existed because the abandoned gun was a danger to the public.
As discussion about who should get Miranda rights intensifies, the exception as much as the rule should also carve the parameters of the debate.
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22 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 194174 Fri, May 07, 2010, 05:08
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(Huffington Post May 4, 2010)
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23 | Razor
ID: 57854118 Fri, May 07, 2010, 10:16
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Good post, learned something new.
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