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Subject: Why isn't this treason?
Posted by: Khahan
- [13126822] Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 18:40
Faisal Shahzad admits to planting bomb in Times Square and admits his guilt 100 times and more.
A dictionary definition of treason from yahoo dictionary:
# Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
additional definitions from dictionary.com
1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
and finally a bit of background on treason and the US Constitution:
A person commits the crime of treason if he levies war against his state or country or sides to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort. Treason is a crime under federal and some state laws. Treason is made a high crime, punishable by death, under federal law by Article III, section 3 of the U.S. Constitution: "Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
He is a US Citizen who admitted that he waged an act of war on our country. Simply why don't the charges against him include treason? |
| 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 19:07
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My understanding is that the punishment for terrorism is greater than that for treason.
Also, I believe that the fact that he says he was a soldier fighting the United States as a whole isn't enough to make it treason.
Finally, the only definition that applies is the one in the Constitution.
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| 2 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 19:13
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The punishment for treason is death. The punishment for terrorism is apparently life in prison. He is a US citizen yet he joined the enemies of the US and committed an act of war against our country (his words and matches the definition of treason given in the Constitution).
Can't be much more clear to me so I'm missing something.
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| 3 | Boldwin
ID: 545192117
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 20:38
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Hard to give him the death sentence for treason when liberals have been holding ticker-tape parades for them for so long.
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| 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 21:30
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Khahan: For many of us, life in prison without possibility of parole is a more difficult punishment than letting him be a martyr. Maybe you think differently on this, but getting killed for what he did is exactly what he wants. I don't see any reason to give him what he wants.
Baldwin: Where, exactly?
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| 5 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 22:02
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I always wondered why John Walker Lindh wasn't charged with treason either.
Totally ruined the ticker-tape parade I had planned.
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| 6 | Razor
ID: 57854118
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 22:33
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You should have come to mine.
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| 7 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 00:11
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I think its pretty unfair to infer that 'the liberals' are supporting these guys, Boldwin. Though I'd agree they are a big reason the death penalty is so scarce these days.
And PD, I completely understand that and a part of my wants to laugh in his face as he rots in prison, nameless and forgotten.
But a bigger part of me wonders why we waste resources on his life.
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| 8 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 01:07
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Hard to give him the death sentence for treason when liberals have been holding ticker-tape parades for them for so long.
are you this ridiculous in real life too, or is it just something you do on the internet?
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| 9 | Boldwin
ID: 545192117
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 01:20
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Hey, one of them won the shiney Ted Turner prize.
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| 10 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 11:08
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he rots in prison, nameless and forgotten.
a terrorist is prison is forgot a dead one is remembered better and that is probably their goal have him forgotten.
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| 11 | Mith
ID: 37540118
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 11:29
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Khahan
[liberals] are a big reason the death penalty is so scarce these days.
Pretty sure old Boldy is not the best friend to death penalty advocates.
Anyway, with regard to why treason isn't charged, I don't believe it has much to do with a conservative/liberal dispute. I believe it's more about the difficulty in getting a conviction. No one calls John Ashcroft liberal, and he declined to charge Walker-Lindh with treason. For whatever it's worth, to this layman that case seemed like every bit as much a slam dunk as Shazad's.
terrorist in prison is forgot a dead one is remembered
Actually I think the overwhelming evidence is that a terrorist in prison is usually a heralded political prisoner. There is no easy answer.
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| 12 | Boldwin
ID: 545192117
Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 20:49
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It's this simple...how can you punish treason when half the country belongs to the anti-american party and the other half believes the government is their enemy?
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