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Subject: Proposed Rule Change for 2012 polibaseball
Posted by: Tree
- [320371412] Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:32
This is the official draft thread--per our rules, only this is the official record.
enough with this. it's time to move into the millennium.
i propose we use Draftime for 2012. not both, but just Draftime. try it provisionally for 2012, with everyone really getting a chance to see how it streamlines a draft and kicks it into over drive.
using both these boards, and that site, is useless. it doesn't give us a chance to really use that site.
so i'd like to propose that we try Draftime exclusively to conduct our regular draft in 2012, with a re-vote afterwards to see if we go forward in the future with it, or revert back to the boards, only. |
| 1 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:37
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Do we want this to be a slow draft or speed draft league?
I've personally kicked my ADD with I high dose of meds, and like to kick back and ponder my picks for a bit. If you want to set up queues and let the draft run itself, there are leagues where that's the case.
This ain't one.
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| 2 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:45
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that's the great thing about this program bili. it can go at each individual's pace.
i use the queues when i need to, which is rare. i mostly use them to help me remember players i am considering for my team, so i don't lose sight of them in 1000 pieces of paper.
all i am proposing is that we TRY it, exclusively, for ONE season, and then we go from there. i'm not proposing we adopt it for the future of this league, at least not yet.
but the resistance to this amazing bit of program is baffling to me.
is it so awful you don't even want to try it for one season?
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| 3 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:44
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Why does it feel to you like we are not using it?
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| 4 | Great One
ID: 132561522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:02
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cause if I am 3 picks away, and set up a 3 man que to auto pick and go out for the day, I have inconvenienced somebody that has to come over and double post the same exact information for no good reason
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| 5 | C1-NRB
ID: 192411119
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:08
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You can go slow on Draftime. A new, and really cool feature, lets you set a delay on the autopick feature that allows you put a timer in place. I set it in case I'm not around when my turn comes up so I don't hold things up forever, but it gives me a cushion to check in and change my mind, analyze trends, etc.
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| 6 | Great One
ID: 132561522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:13
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Yeah, I had my for 20 minutes i think in our last draft. Kind of a nice hybrid to keep things moving if you are busy but still open to change my mind when that email pops up.
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| 7 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:43
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Why does it feel to you like we are not using it?
because we're not. we're using the rotoguru site to draft.
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| 8 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:59
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Who input all those picks at Draftime?
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| 9 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 01:09
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Who input all those picks at Draftime?
i can put all those pics into an excel spreadsheet. it doesn't mean we're using excel to draft.
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| 10 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 05:15
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I vote yes for trees proposal.
You don't have to turn the que on until you need it.
When I sleep here it's day there in USA and I turn the que on so I don't hold everyone up. I usually set it for a 1 hour delay, maybe only half hour half way through draft. If you don't want to have a que pick for you, you leave it off.
It's just more efficient when someone can't be around to pick. You still have the option to do it at your old pace.
Of course this is te Political Ludite League.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 07:34
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my most recent pick was a queue pick. i knew i wanted a RP in that slot, i set the queue specifically for that pick before i went to bed.
i wake up, and the pick was made while i slept. no phone calls, no texts, no posting on a message board, no waiting around.
the queue also makes it fantastic if i'm not at home. it basically lets me keep my "cheat" sheets on my phone. i make a long queue of who i want, and if i come up, it gives me a chance to review my list of players, and take one.
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| 12 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:20
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Who input all those picks at Draftime?
i can put all those pics into an excel spreadsheet. it doesn't mean we're using excel to draft.
What part of 'we all made our picks on Draftime' are you unclear on?
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| 13 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:26
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If your real point is, "I, Tree, am angry that every last one of you don't have your queues filled and set on auto-pick..."
...I got news for you. That won't change just because you manage to kill the draft thread.
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| 14 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:31
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And no I am not stubbornly being a poliboard luddite about this. My queue at Draftime is about two rounds full and set on auto-pick with a two hour delay and I like Draftime. It just keeps getting better and better over there. Everyone should use all the features there for their own good.
Turn off the Stalinist and get over it if everyone doesn't.
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| 15 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:43
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Boldwin, what purpose does it serve to also post individual picks over here one by one? I understand if you want to archive, but someone can do that with one cut/paste at the end of the draft or every few rounds etc.
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| 16 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:45
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I'm all about community action. Get the spirit.
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| 17 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:49
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Well I think we talk plenty without all the extra posts which aren't really discussion. I don't see how seeing the picks over here leads to more discussion.
How about this - maybe someone posts them at the end of each round? and we can all say our favorite and least favorite pick of each round? maybe that would add to the sense of community drafting and foster draft trash talk etc.
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| 18 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:52
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This is a matter of feel. Vote. Whatever everyone in the league feels will make this continue to be their favorite league is ok by me.
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| 19 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:54
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Other than discriminating against conservatives. That has got to stop. I'm staging a walkout. Democracy be damned.
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| 20 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:56
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Tilted Kilt, here I come. Only an hour fifteen to my north. See ya in two weeks.
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| 21 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 10:12
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post 17 is a great post, and i think is a wonderful idea.
post 13 is typical of the "i'll make stuff up to fit what i believe" mentality of the poster, especially on the heels of post 11, which pretty much explained yet another valuable way queues can be used.
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| 22 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 10:26
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Many other leagues have draft discussion threads. If the idea is that going strictly with Draftime will kill that, I'm not so sure that would be the case given the experience of other leagues.
We haven't fully engaged in Draftime (or OTC) in the past--partly because the way it is right now is somewhat duplicative for the Commish. I've got to add keepers into two systems, set up the draft order, doublecheck for trades, etc.
Given all that, I am actually fine to continue doing both systems, since I think that the Draftime program really sells itself once a manager tries it out a few times. This would give managers here who are reluctant to change a chance to come to like it at their own pace.
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| 23 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 10:33
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I think what's been repeated a couple times, that isn't sinking in with some people, is not everyone can access draftime at work. Perhaps a fantasy game filter on the system where as it doesn't recognize rotoguru that way? Or maybe the mechanics of the que as opposed to simple typing here.
So if some can't access at work, why do people insist we use that only? How would that work?
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| 24 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 11:29
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We haven't fully engaged in Draftime (or OTC) in the past--partly because the way it is right now is somewhat duplicative for the Commish. I've got to add keepers into two systems, set up the draft order, doublecheck for trades, etc.
that's the same process if we draft on the boards, no?
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| 25 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 11:37
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If we don't use draftime, I don't have to set it up.
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| 26 | Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:04
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Seems to me both systems are picking up slack that the other is weak on. Witness the picks of AF which draftime couldn't execute because they weren't set and Nerves picks which can't be done via mobile and Draftime.
Granted if you could decree in some iron-fisted way that everyone have a queue set and designated pickers assigned and every feature tuned...then half the members wouldn't be very happy.
Viva la difference....let there be diversity.
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| 27 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 01:47
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decree in some iron-fisted way that everyone have a queue set and designated pickers assigned
Sigh
You don't need a designated picker. You just turn on autopick if you aren't going to be around and it picks from your que.
During the Gurukeeper draft I made at least 5 picks while asleep.
In the past we had to send another member a 10 player list for that to work potentially giving away pick ideas.
picks of AF which draftime couldn't execute because they weren't set
And what is your point other then "he didn't set it"?
Nerves picks which can't be done via mobile and Draftime
It can always be done by draftime as long as you set the que and autopick.
The point is we always have both, it's just trying to encourage members who have to be away, some of whom are now taking 5-6-7 hours to draft, to use the available technology out of respect to other league members who keep checking in to see nothing happening.
Ludites everywhere I tell you.
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| 28 | Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:28
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Draftime only works when all the managers use the features properly. They are not. Not even close. The only thing Tree's proposal does is kill our plan B which is frequently running two picks ahead of Draftime.
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| 29 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 16:05
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The only thing Tree's proposal does is kill our plan B which is frequently running two picks ahead of Draftime.
no. the proposal forces people to actually use draftime. if it was the only option, it would be put to use.
why use it, if it doesn't count, which, as has been established for this year's draft, it doesn't.
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| 30 | Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 16:24
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Tree
So it is an iron-fisted way to force everyone to use all the Draftime features. Why didn't you say so?
Since you personally killed the pleasant voluntary telephone community expediting we used to use, which was clearly the quickest drafting we've ever done, I guess we must follow that sabotage with stalinist tactics. Typical.
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| 32 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 16:29
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So it is an iron-fisted way to force everyone to use all the Draftime features. Why didn't you say so?
yes, that's exactly what it is. that's exactly what happened in the other leagues that used draftime. it was iron-fisted. you guessed it! successful drafts with few delays - iron fisted!
Since you personally killed the pleasant voluntary telephone community expediting we used to use, which was clearly the quickest drafting we've ever done, I guess we must follow that sabotage with stalinist tactics. Typical.
yes. i personally killed the phone system. i take responsibility. all my fault. i went to everyone's house, and took away their phones.
nothing is stopping you from calling or texting people. except yourself. i have ZERO control over what you do in regards to the phone calls you make, and the texts you send.
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| 33 | Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 16:44
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We went from one year with everyone giving me their phone numbers except you and bili [or was it SZ], nothing but civil phone calls and generally ten minute picks...
...to you calling me a terrorist the next year and poisoning the community real good.
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| 34 | Great One
ID: 48281723
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 17:19
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Maybe instead of phone calls (or that other simpler, user friendly automated system which allows me to do an entire draft from my phone with minimal effort), we could write each other letters when we are on the clock. Then mail them out, and when its received you could write your guy in and a little note to whoever is up next and mail it to the next guy in line. We'd have to start in like January though I suspect. But stamps do seem to go up in price on a regular basis too so we'd need to check that out and make sure they don't increase mid-draft cause I'll likely buy in bulk right after Xmas. Always wanted a pen pal!
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| 35 | Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 17:50
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Baldwin you can call me anytime you like, even if it's just to tell me what the weather is like in Illinois.
By the way it just struck me, are you related to Alec Baldwin?
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| 36 | Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 18:32
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Lol, nope. But my problem is I need a fresh contact list before I can call people. I'm on a new email account and lost the old ones.
I really would love to pick your brain about that country. If muslims had a Switzerland that would be it.
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| 37 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 22:51
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I'm down with the Pen Pal option.
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| 38 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 01:04
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I've been watching that Mike Tyson Pigeon show on Animal Planet. It's rather fascinating.
It could be more expeditious than the US postal service, but we'd all have to get our pigeons now, raise them, and then ship them out to each other in January of the draft year so there would be enough time for all of them to arrive at their "designated picker starting point" for us to begin in mid-March.
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| 39 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 10:17
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IThat's the kind of ingenuity we need!!
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| 40 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 07:46
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If you want to get the draft done quickly, we can do a Yahoo quick draft. 90 seconds per pick. I think you can account for keepers now. We could all meet at one time and get it over in two hours. I doubt that's what people want, though.
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| 41 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 08:42
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This is the only draft that doesn't have a clock. What's the incentive to make an available que if there's no clock?
It's hard to understand, since Drafttime now has the capability to set a que for each specific round.
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| 42 | Tree on the Evo
ID: 28045819
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 09:02
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Using draftime is about much more than the speed of the draft, as has already been explained several times..
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| 43 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 09:05
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taxman told us about this delay a long time ago. By tomorrow I'm sure we're start humming along with the picks.
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| 44 | Tree
ID: 24115767
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 12:00
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i'm gonna go ahead and vote.
For - 1
Against - 0
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| 45 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 12:18
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I'm OK with yes, but if we don't use a clock from the beginning, it seems rather pointless.
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| 46 | Myboyjack
ID: 560301921
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 12:27
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NO
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| 48 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 13:12
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Post 47 Editted:
Yes, but with a very long (like 14 hour) clock- if any clock at all.
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| 49 | Taxman
ID: 372242415
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 01:26
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My vote: Stupid to do any thing else other than Draftime
For----- 2
Against -0
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| 50 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 10:55
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3-1 actually. Make it 3-2.
Until the folks that chronically delay the draft show they can set a queue any better than they can follow the boards, committing to a flawed technology makes things worse across the board.
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| 51 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 10:58
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YES - Draftime only. If doing a super long clock, how about 8 or 12 hours. 14 is more than half a day. Thats a bit much.
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| 52 | biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 11:02
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There are some who will interpret any clock as them having that much time. "my clock doesnt run out until after I get home from work! No need to set a queue! I'll just make the league steam for 7 hours and the cant say anything"
No thanks
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| 53 | Boldwin
ID: 233241222
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 11:34
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If I only get a one word comment:
No
[but a weak no, could it really hurt to experiment once? I'd hate to get steamrolled into continuing it. We could really use more experimentation on using the clock better. I just don't like not using rotoguru at the same time. Yeah, like I could stick to a one word answer.8]
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| 54 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 11:48
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Baldwin, that's my point with this - is to try it ONCE, and see how it goes. that's all this proposal is - a one season experimentation to try something different, and then gauge how well it works.
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| 55 | Boldwin
ID: 233241222
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 11:56
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If it isn't wildly successful if you get your experiment, I want it clear that there is a predisposition to going back to the way it was.
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| 56 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 12:55
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re: 55 - as the original proposal states:
i propose we use Draftime for 2012. not both, but just Draftime. try it provisionally for 2012, with everyone really getting a chance to see how it streamlines a draft and kicks it into over drive.
using both these boards, and that site, is useless. it doesn't give us a chance to really use that site.
so i'd like to propose that we try Draftime exclusively to conduct our regular draft in 2012, with a re-vote afterwards to see if we go forward in the future with it, or revert back to the boards, only.
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| 57 | Boldwin
ID: 323371315
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 16:41
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We've actually used the clock there a lot some years. I don't see why that wouldn't have accomplished your goal this time as well if we had done so.
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| 58 | Tree
ID: 60121615
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 18:35
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I don't see why that wouldn't have accomplished your goal this time as well if we had done so.
1. a clock wouldn't give us queues that can be used by computer or designated picker.
2. a clock wouldn't give us a seamless way to let someone know it's their turn to pick.
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| 59 | Boldwin
ID: 323371315
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 22:35
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We have used the clock at kafenatid to do all those things before.
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| 60 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 22:44
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there is no reason to use draftime if we're not going to use draftime properly. so, i have to set up a queue there, but the pick only counts if it's made on the board?
dumb and a waste of time.
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| 61 | Boldwin
ID: 323371315
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 22:51
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Spoken by someone who spends all his free time trying to destroy the poliboard.
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| 62 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 23:47
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Spoken by someone who spends all his free time trying to destroy the poliboard.
and if by that you mean exposing your lies and hypocrisy, your fanaticism and psuedo-Christianity, then you're correct.
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