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Subject: Central Planning - Green Jobs
Posted by: Boldwin
- [202591810] Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 18:58
China leads the way in showing us how not to build alternative energy. Whatever you do, don't let the government get involved.
China has actually overtaken the USA in producing wind power projects.
Most of them 49.5MW to avoid government rules which kick in at 50MW.
Over a third of them not actually hooked up to the grid because there is no incentive to do so, nor do those involved with transmission lines have any incentive to build them.
Notice without the free market everything turns to crap.
Kinda reminds you of America producing ethanol which costs more energy to produce than the fuel which is being produced and therefore you cannot power ethanol refining with ethanol fuel.
Renewable resources big government style.
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| 1 | Tree
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Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 19:26
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because, of course, how one country handles things must be the way ALL countries handle things.
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| 2 | Perm Dude
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Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 19:43
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I think a comparison to how the US is actually handling wind power would have been more useful, rather than an article about the China-specific reasons why wind turbines are routinely not run at capacity.
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| 3 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 20:09
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Is this the follow-up economy lesson to "Democrats Made Me Poor?"
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| 4 | sarge33rd
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Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 21:44
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Over a third of them not actually hooked up to the grid because there is no incentive to do so, nor do those involved with transmission lines have any incentive to build them.
Notice without the free market everything turns to crap.
I'm curious. What incentive, would an electric company have, to allow someone else's wind turbine to use their lines? Woouldn't the utility co already have a major investment in place in their own electricity generating equipment? So if not FROM the Govt, just where would these incentives (which in the lacking cause those wind turbines to not be hooked up) originate? (Note...you are not allowed to say the govt, since that wou;d belie your second contention which implies the free market solves all...which totally ignores the reality that the free market caused the recent US economic collapse, free market futures speculators are 100% responsille for the current, and past, gas price run ups)
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| 5 | Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 22:02
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1) I am not against minimal regulation to prevent monopoly which is anti-free market.
2) The owner of the power lines has an asset to rent and the owner of the power supply has a need to fill. As long as one of the parties isn't trying to corner the market , a legitimate government area of concern, then this mutually beneficial deal should happen on it's own.
3) The answer to monopolies isn't to create government monopolies.
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| 6 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 5015685
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 01:56
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New report shows even clean energy projects are dying in regulatory nightmares (Daily Caller - 03/11/11)
While the Obama administration has repeatedly pushed for the development of a renewable energy industry, its regulatory process is strangling clean energy projects before they even get off the ground, according to a report released Thursday by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s “Project No Project” initiative.
The study, which was meant to quantify the economic impact of stalled energy projects due to regulatory burdens, found that there are more renewable energy projects currently caught up in red tape than projects in the fossil fuel industry.
The report by TeleNomic Research, titled “Project Denied: The Potential Economic Impact of Permitting Challenges Facing Proposed Energy Projects,” was conducted by Steve Pociask, president of the American Consumer Institute, and Joseph Fuhr, economics professor at Widener University and senior fellow at the American Consumer Institute.
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All together, the authors found 351 stalled energy projects around the country that they say, in the aggregate, are costing the U.S. economy $1.1 trillion in GDP and at least 1.9 million jobs in 49 states. The reasons for the delays, say the authors, are what they call “Not In My Back Yard” activism, a broken permitting process and a system that allows for never-ending lawsuits.
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“The reason we did it is because as people talk about jobs, you really can’t develop jobs until you find some way to put facilities through the permit process,” Kovacs told TheDC.
But the fact that even renewable energy projects – something the Obama administration champions at every opportunity – is experiencing more difficulties with bureaucratic red tape than the fossil fuel industry is, said Kovacs, “the biggest shocker on the whole project.”
The report is now being circulated on Capitol Hill.
Project No Project -- Progress Denied: A Study on the Potential Economic Impact of Permitting Challenges Facing Proposed Energy Projects (PDF)
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| 7 | biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 08:25
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Talk to Baldwin about the American Consumer Institute. They are a corporate funded faux "think-tank" designed to muddy the waters of real debate. I'm sure he's run into them in the net-neutrality "literature". They are heavily funded by the telecoms and cable companies to confuse people into not supporting net-neutrality, from what I understand.
The last thing they are concerned about is consumers. They probably had a good giggle when they came up with the name.
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| 8 | Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 19:24
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Tell it to the communists over at People For the American Way. They're still giggling.
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| 9 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 18:28
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Not really related, but here's a project I donated to. I became aware of it through a high school buddy who lives in Mendecino.
Old-Growth Redwoods Saved
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