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Subject: French Burhka Law
Posted by: Boldwin
- [263342011] Wed, Apr 20, 2011, 12:40
Women American legal experts discussing the French anti-burhka law.
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| 1 | bibA
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Wed, Apr 20, 2011, 14:06
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Very interesting take....a freedom of speech issue.
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| 2 | Perm Dude
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Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 00:05
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If you know anything about Ann Althouse, what she said is no surprise at all.
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| 3 | Boldwin
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Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 06:03
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Ann Althouse is probably Glenn 'Instapundit' Reynold's favorite blogger to link to and so I read Althouse nearly daily.
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| 4 | Boldwin
ID: 2354214
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 06:07
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The reason I said it might surprise people is because most westerners probably assume most western women are horrified by the burhka. And I'm even sure those two 'blogging heads' would be horrified to have to wear one but they can imagine seeing it thru religiously serious muslim eyes certainly.
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| 5 | Tree
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Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:09
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And I'm even sure those two 'blogging heads' would be horrified to have to wear one but they can imagine seeing it thru religiously serious muslim eyes certainly.
i'm not surprised by this take at all, and most rational thinking people shouldn't be either. their stance is similar to that many pro-choice people take - i would hope my partner never had an abortion, but it's ultimately her choice, and i can see why some people make that decision.
believing that something, while not ok for you, is ok for others, is a fairly common thing for rational thinkers. nothing unexpected about it at all.
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| 6 | Razor
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Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:17
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That last time this issue was discussed on the board, I said the same thing. What France is doing is tantamount to religious persecution. It's not the state's place to dictate which religious traditions it deems inappropriate, so long as they are voluntary and do not harm others.
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| 7 | Frick
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Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:36
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I don't remember the source, but I saw a great FU video posted by a Muslim women regarding the law. Under her Burhka (which I assume includes the headpiece), she wore a medical mask. So when she removed the veil, in essence no more of her face was shown. And since she was wearing it as a medical "necessity" she was not required to remove it.
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| 8 | nerveclinic
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Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 08:07
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I have mixed feelings.
Ultimately it feels like a freedom of religion issue and the state has no right to force women to go against their beliefs simply because the state (Of France) finds it at odds with it's culture as it's not hurting anyone.
On the other hand. I live in a country where I have to make cultural concessions all the time. No kissing in public, wear only modest clothes etc. Why, because we are told that is the culture of the UAE and as expats or tourists here we are expected to follow the norms of the local culture. "When you visit our country you should understand the culture and obey it".
One might argue that one is a religious issue (full face Bhurka), versus simple culture (UAE's rules) but the rules in the UAE are all revolving around Muslim ethics. They are happy to tell people here if you don't like it we will show you where the airport is, you are in our country you will dress as we tell you, etc.
A frenchman wrote into the local paper when the law was passed, and basically recited all the lines we hear all the time in Dubai, in reference to the new French law.
In our country, it is against the culture to walk around in public with your face covered. Please respect the culture of our country and dress appropriately. If you are not happy with our culture then you should leave and go to a country where this kind of dress is accepted.
Ultimately as an issue of freedom I am against banning the burkha but the rhetoric in Muslim countries against what we consider normal culture when we visit gives one room for pause. Don't even get me started on the rules one is expected to follow when they visit Saudi and how much ones religious beliefs are restricted there.
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| 9 | bibA
ID: 48627713
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 09:03
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Those mid-east countries might not have the mores of the west such as freedoms of religion and speech. Just as Fascist and Communist countries have not. In Singapore, one might get caned for painting graffiti. That does not mean that we in the west should consider their customs when we follow our own ideals, which we probably hold every bit as dear as they do theirs.
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