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0 Subject: Social Justice VS Actual Justice

Posted by: Boldwin
- [35615181] Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 08:37

Having identified an "oppressed" or "vulnerable" group in need of help, they look for a relatively better-off group to characterise as "the oppressor." Then they penalise that group in order to "equalise" it with the other.

The results of this simple-minded thinking have been catastrophic.
Thus rich Sorbonne educated elites with access and familarity with all the best thinking of collected human wisdom...to their horror discovered that those owning eyeglasses on average had slightly more income than those not owning eyeglasses and so had them taken out to the countryside, beaten in the back of the head with hoes and left for dead.

1Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 09:06
Absolutely necessary
2Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 10:19
The apologists for applied "social justice" have always explained away its relationship to totalitarianism as nothing more than what we may call (after Orwell's Animal Farm) the "Napoleon scenario": the subversion of earnest revolutions by demented individuals (e.g., Stalin, Mao -- to name just two among too many). What can never be admitted is that authoritarian brutality is the not-merely-possible-but-inevitable realization of the nature of "social justice" itself.

What is "social justice"? The theory that implies and justifies the practice of socialism. And what is "socialism"? Domination by the State. What is "socialized" is state-controlled. So what is "totalitarian" socialism other than total socialism, i.e., state control of everything? And what is that but the absence of a free market in anything, be it goods or ideas? Those who contend that a socialist government need not be totalitarian, that it can allow a free market -- independent choice, the very source of "inequality"! -- in some things (ideas) and not in others (goods -- as if, say, books were one or the other), are saying only that the socialist ethic shouldn't be applied consistently.

This is nothing less than a confession of moral cowardice. It is the explanation for why, from Moscow to Managua, all the rivalries within the different socialist revolutions have been won by, not the "democratic" or "libertarian" socialists, but the totalitarians, i.e., those who don't qualify their socialism with antonyms. "Totalitarian socialism" is not a variation but a redundancy, which is why half-capitalist hypocrites will always lose out to those who have the courage of their socialist convictions. (Likewise, someone whose idea of "social justice" is a moderate welfare state is someone who's willing to tolerate far more "social injustice" than he's willing to eliminate.)

What is "social justice"? The abolition of privacy. Its repudiation of property rights, far from being a fundamental, is merely one derivation of this basic principle. Socialism, declared Marx, advocates "the positive abolition of private property [in order to effect] the return of man himself as a social, i.e., really human, being." It is the private status of property -- meaning: the privacy, not the property -- that stands in opposition to the social (i.e., "socialized," and thus "really human") nature of man. Observe that the premise holds even when we substitute x for property. If private anything denies man's social nature, then so does private everything. And it is the negation of anything and everything private -- from work to worship to even family life -- that has been the social affirmation of the socialist state.

- Barry Loberfeld, FrontPageMagazine.com
Thus the continual war against the individual, freedom to work without collectivist coersion, individual rights, the individual right to chose, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the war against the family [as a competitor with state indoctrination] etc.

"Social Justice", [the phrase itself a disingenuous propaganda trick] is a totalitarian war fought by an elite [uniquely powerful, privileged] class against every individual human.
3Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 11:47
What is "social justice"? The abolition of privacy

Social justice is Christianity in practice.
4Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 12:27
"Social Justice", [the phrase itself a disingenuous propaganda trick] is a totalitarian war fought by an elite [uniquely powerful, privileged] class against every individual human.

i'm not really sure how anyone can actually believe in such a stupid statement.

who here is among the "elite" class you speak of? because i can speak with some confidence that several of us here believe in social justice, and none of us are in this "elite" class you speak of.
5DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 13:07
Surprised you guys even gave this the time of day. Smart thing to do is just again say "Boldwin, this is not your personal blog" and delete it.
6sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 13:13
re #5..... +1
7Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 14:03
Boldwin

Start a blog. Seriously. You're just the right combination of pissed off, versed in propaganda, intolerant of people you disagree with and well written to operate a successful far-right conservative site. I'm sure you could make a little bit of honest cash with some initial effort and I really think your talents could lead to something bigger a little ways down the road. The amount of time you invest here would be plenty to keep it active enough.
8Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 14:07
Mith is right. There are plenty of people who would pay to read his ramblings on the far right. Maybe he could get a spot on the new Glen Beck network?
9Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 14:51
As a bonus, he could turn off comments so as not to have to deal with responses at all.
10Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 22:08

Start a blog.

I am not an activist. I am not a promoter of capitalism. I am a mirror of objective reality.
12Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 22:25
Social justice is Christianity in practice. - PD

Start a blog. - MITH

My 'blog' or my activism is promoting one-on-one, person-to-person the actual kingdom of God as the permanent and complete solution to man's problems. [As opposed to Satan's lame excuse, substitute kingdom that PD has fallen for.]
13Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 23:10
I don't believe you have a clue, at all, as to my beliefs, since you continue to misstate them time after time.

I'll tell you what: Jesus would be disappointed that many who say they are His followings worship, instead, confrontational political debate.

Say what you want about your bias toward "one on one" conversions. Your public face, on this board, is un-christian and does a supreme disservice toward whatever other compartment in your life you've placed Jesus into.
15Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 00:22
I am not an activist. I am not a promoter of capitalism. I am a mirror of objective reality.

Oh my goodness what an exceptional byline for the top of your blog's page.

Bloggers, even political bloggers, aren't necessarily activists. But they are often people who do pretty much what you've been doing here for over a decade.

Why an ongoing discussion here with a bunch of people you don't take seriously and who mostly don't take you very seriously would be any more rewarding is beyond me.

Look I'm not trying to get rid of you. I'm completely serious. Your talents are wasted here and I think you'd have as good a shot to achieve some notoriety as anyone similarly starting out.
16Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 01:47
I'd really rather see another conservative rise up and knock down all the moonbat absurdities so I can retire completely. B7 is almost there. Not sure he has the time to address nearly enuff of them.
17sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 02:28
moonbat absurdities? Apt description B, of roughly 90% of what you have been posting over the past year yr so.
18Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:07

My 'blog' or my activism is promoting one-on-one, person-to-person the actual kingdom of God as the permanent and complete solution to man's problems.


falsely proclaiming other people want all Christians sent to concentration camps is a wonderful way to promote the kingdom of god. /sarcasm
19Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:24
Spending decades conflating innocent people who wouldn't hurt a fly with terrorists is eventually going to land those innocent people in some future Gitmo. It is a project and a theme you yourself have labored tirelessly on day and night since we met.
20Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:53
Spending decades conflating innocent people who wouldn't hurt a fly with terrorists is eventually going to land those innocent people in some future Gitmo. It is a project and a theme you yourself have labored tirelessly on day and night since we met.

i wish i had the drive to labor tireless at *anything*, much less the nonsense you're proclaiming. the fact is, i'm just not that motivated.

no one on this board, save for you, has tried to do anything with innocent people in an effort to make them appear guilty. Just because you can't accept that *some* Christians might kill in the name of God (despite millenium of proof that some have) doesn't mean someone is out to get *all* Christians.

don't sit here and falsely accuse others of something you're very much guilty of.

you've called out nearly everyone who believes differently than you - you've mocked Jews, Freemasons, Muslims, other Christians, and just any body anyone else.
21Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:55
Spending decades conflating innocent people who wouldn't hurt a fly with terrorists is eventually going to land those innocent people in some future Gitmo.

Have you read your posts in the many threads about Muslims?

Some of those innocent people are in the present Gitmo.
22Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:57
Promise me a dollar for every time you did it to me on this board and I'll fill up a thread with examples.
23DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:00
Here's my bet for you: Find a post that says "All Christians are terrorists" (and isn't clearly saying it in a tongue-in-cheek manner) and I'll send you a dollar.

However, if you post one that you think says that and it actually says "some Christians are terrorists", and you send me a dollar.
24Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:01
you've called out nearly everyone who believes differently than you - you've mocked Jews, Freemasons, Muslims, other Christians, and just any body anyone else.

You can point out where other people are in error without calling them terrorists.

I can point out where other people are in error without calling them terrorists.
25Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:08
DWetz, Tree and lately even PD lately have been sugggesting I might capable of violence and that's just disingenuous nonsense anyone with even a passing familiarity with me would dismiss as nonsense if they didn't have an agenda at work of demonizing the opposition.

You guys are no better than the people who call the DCFS and leave a phony accusation of child abuse against someone they have a disagreement with.
26DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:28
Well, then you just talk an awfully big game.

What everyone is observing is that your constantly inflammatory, demeaning rhetoric is exactly the same kind of rhetoric that you see from the Unabombers, the bin Ladens, and the Breivik's of the world.

When you start calling everyone who thinks maybe a 5% tax increase is in order a marxist socialist who hates America, and when you call a mainstream Catholic a Satan-duped follower of a false religion, and when you consistently call anyone who ever disagrees with you about theses statements a pissing troll while being constantly whiny about the incivility of others, it's pretty clear that you're either dangerous, or pretending to be dangerous for some other end.

Maybe if you toned down the rhetoric about fifty notches and attempted to discuss instead of constantly belittling anyone who ever disagrees with you to the point of dehumanizing them, people would attempt to take you seriously.

It's kinda hard to have a rational discussion with someone who starts off every conversation with "hey, you evil socialist treasonous, here's why you're an evil Satan-worshipping asshat." You may even believe it, and I don't really care either way -- but if you think that's the right way to approach things, you clearly shouldn't take offense when someone calls you an evil fear-peddling dangerous pedophile-protecting cultist.

You wouldn't last five minutes in a sensible message board where you weren't surrounded wholly by like-minded hatemongerers, or weren't constantly allowed to baselessly berate and collectively insult the leftmost 85% of the population.
27DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:34
And I'm quite sure that I, at least, suggest it because I fear for the safety of those you associate with. I associate with a large number of people (easily over a couple thousand) on multiple message boards, and you're the only one I've ever come close to feeling that way about.

Perhaps you should wonder why that is, instead of just bitching about other people disagreeing with you.
28Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:35
even PD lately have been sugggesting I might capable of violence

To borrow your phrase: Epic fail.

Find it. Take your time.
29Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:40
Your snide hysteria over the 'christianist' threat have not gone unnoticed. It is a flimsy term that can be flung at anyone without substantiation just as the term 'cult' does.
30Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:42
Glad you noticed. You apparently overlooked the part where I didn't accuse you of doing violence.

You're the old man on the sideline, urging others to do what they have to, and whipping up the purebloods for the coming conflicts.
31DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:45
"Your snide hysteria over the 'christianist' threat have not gone unnoticed. It is a flimsy term that can be flung at anyone without substantiation just as the term 'cult' does."

From the person who throws out 'Marxist' like he gets a punch in his "go to heaven free" card every time he says it, and accuses everyone else's religion of being phony, terrorists, or duped by Satan, this is about as hypocritical as it gets.

Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

32Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:54
PD

*ignore troll*

You should be aware that the SPLC is collecting the names of everyone you gratuitously accuse and handing their names over to HLS for future incarceration.
33DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:56
*ignore Satan's agent of cultism*
34DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:57
*prays for the children that the cult allows to be raped*
35Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 10:59
You really think names aren't being collected already? That the self-justifying Homeland Security (begun under a George Bush administration you cheered on as a grudgingly acceptable alternative to someone who believed in global warming) has been collecting names for years?

Baldwin, your bias toward assuming everyone who isn't a Christian has a proclivity toward violence (hence your belief that you are being accused of violence when you are simply being accused of acting un-Christian) isn't helping.
36Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:14
That Tree and DWetz spend all day long trying to get me thrown out of here and into prison doesn't surprise me. That is what they live for.

That PD now does it regularly shows how effective even such lowbrow activists can be in stirring up mob psychosis.
37Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:19
Baldy, this is a serious question:

Why is it that if you believe so many people here hate you and make it so hard for you to spread "the good word" you continue to stay at this forum? It seems at this point as if your preaching isn't effective, and may in fact may be "stirring up mob psychosis". Why not take your gospel somewhere else and stop coming here?
38DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:29
I don't want you thrown in prison (except in a possibly visceral sense), for the record. I'm just very afraid that you'll do something horrible that will leave no other option. That isn't something that I welcome, it's something that I fear. I wish I knew how to reach out to those around you to get you counseling and to get them a warning. When you're in the 0.1% of violent rhetoric that I've ever seen and mental illness rates are easily 50 times that number, I think that's a legitimate reason to be concerned. You desperately want everyone else to see things your way, and clearly think that violent and damaging rhetoric is the right way to achieve your end, but it isn't strong enough... there's only one more step from there.

If you're just here to internet-tough guy insult everyone you disagree with and get a laugh out of it and you only mean about 10% of it, well, congratulations, you win the internet, first prize NOTHING. If you're the least bit serious -- yes, I think you're about 90% of the way to being, at minimum, a Jared Loughner.
39Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:38
Farn

Three trolls with a specific agenda and an unwitting convert to their cause do not equate to 'so many people here'.

Why do I stay?

1) This site forces me to research and finetune my understanding of a wide range of issues I wouldn't have cause to otherwise.

2) Letting trolls take over the forum is bad precedent. Can't default it to them.

3) I can't stand to let bad ideas and blatant characterizations of reality go unchallenged. I wish someone else with time and passion would shoulder the load so I could go sip a mai tai and retire get on with more profitable endeavors.
40DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:44
When you insult everyone every chance you get, it's a wonder they don't all just say "By god! I am a marxist troll who hates America and secretly wants Satan and the Muslims to join forces to take over the world!"

Also, LOL at calling the moderator a troll. That's a sure sign you've gone well beyond the boundaries of sanity.
41Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:45
DWetz

I take Jesus' reaction to one of his apostles' use of force to protect him, as serious as a heart attack. He reattached the lopped off ear of the arresting officer and told the apostle 'he who lives by the sword dies by the sword'.

As far as I am concerned that is the last word necessary on the question of christians and violence.

But you don't mean a word you say. You are forming a violent weapon against me knowing full well I wouldn't hurt you with anything other than brutal honesty.
42Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:48
Could the thread drifting trolls please stop? You've already called for my head on a pike for the thousandth time. Let's get back to the topic.
43DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:50
A violent weapon? LOL from the cultist who thinks everyone's beneath him.

I'm just afraid for the safety of the innocent lambs around you when you do go off the deep end. If you do, I hope you get caught and get what's coming to you. I won't be initiating anything. If you don't, I'll consider it society dodging a bullet (and you have nothing to fear from me except unfettered reason).
44Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:57
It's like the guy throwing a pie at Ann Coulter and yelling 'Help Help! She's going to kill me!'

Only you mean me so much more harm than a pie.
45DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:29
Hello there, you
46DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 13:10
Also, I'm almost curious what phantasmal harm you think I wish on you. Almost. I'm sure it'll degenerate into you calling me an evil socialist Satan-worshipping troll though.
47Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 13:21
^ See thread topic at top of page in orange.
48DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 13:24
Read it, doesn't apply to me, so WTF are you talking about? Just because I don't support policies that would grind the poor (those evil, worthless freeloaders) into paste to feed to the pets of the wealthy I hate America or something, is that it?
49Tree
      ID: 17727115
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 16:27
Lol. So now not only do I work tirelessly to get all Christians thrown into concentration camps, now I also spend all day long trying to get you thrown into prison???

This is exactly why i think you're capable of violence - because i believe you are barely holding onto reason and rational thought. If you honestly believe what you said about me, you, Christians, concentration camps, and prison, you're just not being rational.
50Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:06
Was the 'Final Solution' rational? Did it happen anyway?
51Tree
      ID: 17727115
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:22
I'll let someone else respond to that, since i think that being your response pretty much speaks for itself. Lol. Wow. Amazing.
52Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:55
It's not very often Rachel Maddow and I agree.

And it's not very rational that Ollie North would help them do it either. But feel free to research the all too real Rex 84, Garden Plot and Cable Splicer.
53sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 01:46
Here ya go B....anothe internet conspiracy theory for ya to grasp onto:

FEMA
54Perm Dude
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      Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 09:22
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