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Subject: Trayvon Martin
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [3210201915] Sun, Mar 25, 2012, 13:06
Let the wackos reveal themselves
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| 1561 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 23:16
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Not exactly (though I suspect you are just being confrontational at this point. Luckily I'm not following you with a gun, I suppose).
Confrontational? No I'm just saying.
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| 1562 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 23:27
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might be, because he wasnt told to.
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| 1563 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 23:29
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Anybody hung up over whether the number he called was an emergency or non-emergency number has so completely missed the point of this incident that discussion with them is irrelevant.
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| 1564 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 23:39
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Anybody hung up over whether the number he called was an emergency or non-emergency number has so completely missed the point of this incident that discussion with them is irrelevant.
I'm not hung up on anything Brah. I just know it wasn't 911.
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| 1565 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 149171815
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 10:57
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911 vs non-emergency number - who cares? Most times non-emergency and 911 go to the exact same operators, 911 calls are just given priority in the queue.
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| 1566 | Tree
ID: 395323014
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 11:06
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exactly the point. to sit here and attempt to discredit someone because they used the phrase "911" instead of "non-emergency" is to basically not have a leg to stand on.
i'm sorry AF, you've done a fine job of discrediting yourself with such non-issues as your main argument...
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| 1567 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 149171815
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 11:07
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1546 ugh. we have ZERO evidence of which one attacked first. NONE.
We have evidence. We have GZs statements to investigators which the investigators found credible and consistent. We have GZ passing a voluntary lie detector test. "Did you confront the guy you shot?" the tester asked. "No," Zimmerman responded. The examiner concluded that Zimmerman "told substantially the complete truth" during the lie detector questioning. We have the wounds on GZ and TM - GZ had zero offensive related wounds. The TM autopsy revealed bruising and cuts to the hands of Trayvon Martin consistent with the statements and accounts of George Zimmerman.
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| 1568 | Mith
ID: 412561115
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 11:27
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investigators which the investigators found credible and consistent.
False. Investigators didnt believe him.
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| 1569 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 149171815
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 11:41
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"Called as a prosecution witness, Sanford Police investigator Chris Serino testified he found Zimmerman credible in his description of his fight with Martin."
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| 1570 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 17:18
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35 minute review of the case and the primary actors.
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| 1571 | Boldwin
ID: 86361820
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 21:39
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HOW DID THE TRAYVON MARTIN CASE BECOME A NATIONAL MEDIA SENSATION? With help from the Justice Department. “Through their requests for documents from local, state and federal authorities, Judicial Watch researchers were able to obtain hundreds of documents and emails pertaining to the case. This information helped Judicial Watch prove that a little-known unit of the Department of Justice (DOJ), the Community Relations Service (CRS), was deployed to Sanford following the Trayvon Martin shooting to help organize and manage rallies and protests against George Zimmerman.”
Frankly, for the government to help organize and manage rallies and protests against an individual charged with a crime looks like a civil rights violation to me. I hope Zimmerman’s lawyers go ahead and sue, as they’ve indicated. The discovery process will be fascinating. - Law professor and world's greatest blogger, Glenn Reynolds.Trayvon Martin's uncle, Ronald Fulton.
Ronald Fulton is on the executive committee of the Community Relations Board (CRB) of Miami-Dade County. The stated mission of the Community Relations Board of Miami-Dade County reads in part: "The primary mission of the Community Relations Board is to intervene and contain community tensions, as quickly as possible." The CRB is part of a larger section of the Miami-Dade government known as the Office of Community Advocacy whose mission statement reads: "The Office of Community Advocacy (OCAd) is charged with making Miami-Dade County "One Community" that embraces our diverse enriched and unique population."
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Mr.Fulton's seat on the Executive Committee of the local Community Relations Board played no small part in the Trayvon Martin story going from local to regional and then to national levels. How 1984. The government organizing hate campaigns against individuals. Whatever your theoretical rights under the constitution, your actual safeguards might as well be non-existant.
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| 1573 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 00:30
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exactly the point. to sit here and attempt to discredit someone because they used the phrase "911" instead of "non-emergency" is to basically not have a leg to stand on.
I wasn't trying to discredit you, you do an excellent job of that all by yourself.
It is somewhat relevant that he called non-emergency. Zimmerman called in as a citizen "neighborhood watch guy" about a suspicious person. If someone calls 911 it is more of an OH SH*T phone call, it wasn't that (yet) I'm just trying to teach you that there is a difference between the two phone calls. 911 goes to the The Seminole County, Department of Public Safety Emergency Communications Center and the other directly to the Sanford Police Department non emergency line. I can understand where you might have been confused so I'll give you a pass.
Most times non-emergency and 911 go to the exact same operators, 911 calls are just given priority in the queue.
That is incorrect, two different entities and two different facilities and the operators have different levels of training. (all 911 operators are certified Emergency Medical Dispatchers (EMD) It's not a matter of a queue.
I don't have a need to discuss the case any further, more stuff will come out. SPD was right from the beginning and look at this mess now. The case did end how I thought it should, even though it was a railroad job.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion even if it is it is misguided, illogical and oblivious to simple facts of the case.
I don't judge you.
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| 1574 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 08:56
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It is somewhat relevant that he called non-emergency.
Please see 1563
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| 1576 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 23:11
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Please see 1563
You're right although true it is not an important point in the scheme of things.
I think the important thing is the jury system worked. I hope we can all move forward and educate our youth. No matter what any child's race is or creed or whatever political stripe they come from or we come from, it should be beyond politics to stand united in the sense we can organize ourselves to better address the needs of children.
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| 1583 | Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 14:10
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I heard someone discussing the case and they brought up something I had heard before. It said that Zimmerman had taken a black female to prom and that he had mentored black children. When I tried to verify it, I only saw links to very right-wing websites. While it doesn't matter in the case, it does shed some light on his personality. Has anyone else heard or seen this from a source you would consider reliable?
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| 1584 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 14:28
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"some of my best friends are black people."
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| 1585 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 16:43
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At the start of the case, it was reported by CNN. I havent seen/heard it much since. 1584 is entirely off base Tree.
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| 1586 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 16:50
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Mark A'Mara answers "Yeah" to that question from hannity
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| 1587 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 17:41
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1584 is entirely off base Tree.
no, it's not. i really don't care if mentored black children, took a black girl to prom ten years ago, married a black woman, adopted 1500 black babies, or fed 10,000 starving black Africans.
he shot, and killed, a black child. his relationship - past or present - with other blacks, is completely irrelevant.
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| 1588 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:22
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he shot and killed a black man, is self defense. 17 yr olds, are routinely tried as adults in this country. TM, whatever he was or wasnt, was not a "child".
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| 1589 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:24
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He was a child. He was never tried, as an adult or otherwise.
Let's cut the counterspin, please.
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| 1590 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:34
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no PD I will not stop. Use of terms like stalking, when it does not apply. Misrepresentations of TM as a "child", when that does not apply. I will not stop calling it out.
As for TM not getting a trial, he wasnt giving Zimmerman one either.
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| 1591 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:53
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Misrepresentations of TM as a "child", when that does not apply. I will not stop calling it out.
He was a child that did a very adult thing, sucker punch and continuous bashing of guys head against side walk.
Can we let this thread die?
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| 1592 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:54
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17 yr olds, are routinely tried as adults in this country.
and he wasn't "tried" for anything, except for those who had him painted as some thug.
he's 17. that's a child. you can sit there and kick and scream all day that it's not, but you'd still be wrong, except you'd be ACTING like a child.
Use of terms like stalking, when it does not apply.
we get it. definitions don't matter to you. what words actually mean, don't matter to you.
all that's important is your own interpretations, as evidenced by your ridiculous statement "As for TM not getting a trial, he wasnt giving Zimmerman one either."
let's not forget - Trayvon Martin was the one being followed.
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| 1593 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:56
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definitions do matter. Stalking, has a legal definition and it does not apply. It also, implies that one is hunting another, and that too, does not apply. You use it, to stir up an emotional reaction. That you lack the integrity to admit as much, is your deficiency, not mine.
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| 1594 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 19:51
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i use it, because it's the proper word, by definition. i'm not a lawyer, and therefore am not trying to apply any sort of legal definition.
it's fairly obvious there wasn't a pattern of behavior to constitute the legal definition of stalking, although, what Zimmerman did certainly fits the National Center for Victims of Crime definition, which states "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking."
again. you can change definitions to suit your needs. it doesn't change the definition of the word to anyone other than yourself.
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| 1595 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 20:01
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Misrepresentations of TM as a "child", when that does not apply.
let's talk about misrepresentations. there's the one that Martin was some sort of hulking man-child, towering over the smaller and hapless Zimmerman.
Martin was 5-11, 158 pounds on the autopsy table. Zimmerman was 5-7, 185 pounds.
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| 1596 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 20:20
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It also, implies that one is hunting another, and that too, does not apply.
Actually, this is exactly what Zimmerman was doing. You might not like that the word implies other things, but you can't hide from the definition..
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| 1597 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 20:32
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Following someone, and hunting them, are not the same things. Redefine the English language if you must, but call yourself a republican first.
Now, if you claim to have omniscient powers to see into the mind and motivations of someone you have never met, please tell me how many powerball tickets you have purchased in the past year. Surely with that ability, you would have ensured your families financial comfort by now.
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| 1598 | Tree
ID: 56282413
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 20:52
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Following someone, and hunting them, are not the same things. Redefine the English language if you must
they sure can be. look up the dictionary definition of hunt.
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| 1599 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 20:55
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Tree...you know damn good and well why you are using the term stalk instead of follow. You intedn to paint a specific mental image and follow simply fails to do so.
Lie to yourself if you must, but you arent getting away with lieing to me.
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| 1600 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 21:26
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a survey, to see how much you KNOW, vs how much you think you do, about the case.
Note question/point 47. I thought I had heard this way back when GZ was first questioned, but wasnt certain. Why that didnt get more airtime, is a valid query.
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| 1601 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 23:24
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Zimmerman was neighborhood watch, sort of his job description to watch and follow. A truthful look of the known facts shows GZs version of the events is likely what occurred.
GZ...He called police, he passed a lie detector, he cooperated, investigators found him credible. The FBI desperately scoured GZs past to find anything they could use to charge him with federally...they found him clean. From all statements from those that knew him or knew of him in the community say GZ was a valued member of the community and helped many people. Community organizer.
TM...Kicked out of his mothers and fathers house. Kicked out of school. Known assaults and fights. Getting caught with jewelry and burglary tools. Autopsy that showed liver damage from a specific drug. Using racial slurs to describe GZ. Autopsy results show TM had injuries to his knuckles when he died. Community thug.
GZs version of the events is likely what occurred. If someone physically assaults you: breaks your nose...bashes your head into concrete - face that from an unknown stranger that has been actively evading you...tell me you would not fear for your life. In this country in that scenario we legally allow citizens to use self defense lethal force.
I find it really hard to understand why the interest and fabricated importance of this case. This case is inconsequential and seems manufactured to draw attention from the real problems this country is facing. It seems the media/federal government/activists are more interested in constructing a fantasy version of what they wished would have happened so it could be used to sway opinion on specific political objectives/agendas. It is despicable for the federal government to inject themselves into this case. Self defense shootings happen 300-500 times annually in this country. Shootings happen hundreds of times across this country every weekend. Why is this case special?
A community watch person has to use lethal force to defend himself from an assault by a thug...case closed.
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| 1602 | Tree
ID: 395323014
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 10:31
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Tree...you know damn good and well why you are using the term stalk instead of follow. You intedn to paint a specific mental image and follow simply fails to do so
no, that's your own conscience speaking.
i used the word "stalk" because that's exactly what he was doing. when, at night, you're attempting to stealthily pursue someone (hopefully undetected), you are stalking.
when your friend is driving from the kickball field to a particular bar, and you don't know how to get there, you follow them.
stalk is, absolutely, the correct word there, and i'm sorry if it paints the man your defending in a bad light. perhaps you should blame the actions of the man you've defended, instead of trying to blame words.
Zimmerman was neighborhood watch, sort of his job description to watch and follow.
absolutely not.
it's not "neighborhood watch and follow", it's "neighborhood watch."
pretty much any neighborhood watch group will tell you that they are not vigilantes, and when they suspect something criminal, their members are encouraged to contact local law enforcement and not get involved any further.
GZs version of the events is likely what occurred.
this statement shows how far of a reach you're willing to make. we simply don't know if GZ's version of the events "is likely what occurred." it is impossible to know that.
If someone physically assaults you: breaks your nose...bashes your head into concrete - face that from an unknown stranger that has been actively evading you...tell me you would not fear for your life. In this country in that scenario we legally allow citizens to use self defense lethal force.
seriously. i don't understand this. Trayvon Martin had basically two options - evade the suspicious adult male following him at night, or confront him.
you have condemned Martin for either action. to you, the minute he walked onto a street where George Zimmerman was hanging out, he signed his own death warrant.
A community watch person has to use lethal force to defend himself from an assault by a thug...case closed.
your usage of the term "thug" here is disgusting, especially because Zimmerman had no way of knowing who he was following.
what should a teenager do when he is being followed by an adult with a criminal past? (of course, Martin couldn't have known the man pursuing him had faced criminal charges for assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest, and had a restraining order put out against him from an ex-fiancee).
should he continue to evade his pursuer (something you acknowledged played a role in Martin getting killed), or should he confront his pursuer (something you acknowledged played a role in Martin getting killed).
i hope a black teenager doesn't encounter you at night. sounds like you'd execute him on the spot.
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| 1603 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 12:03
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seriously. i don't understand this. Trayvon Martin had basically two options - evade the suspicious adult male following him at night, or confront him.
Now you've got it!Evidence shows Trayvon first chose to evade the "suspicious adult male" (gay rapist) but once in a safe haven (outside his father's house) he decided to come back and commit a VERY ADULT CRIME
This is 100% THE CASE and THAT is why George Zimmerman is not guilty. Unfortunately Trayvon Martin has paid for his brashness with his life. :-(
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| 1604 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 12:05
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this statement shows how far of a reach you're willing to make. we simply don't know if GZ's version of the events "is likely what occurred." it is impossible to know that.
absolutely false. It is impossible to know what happened. It is NOT impossible, to know what LIKELY happened.
seriously. i don't understand this. Trayvon Martin had basically two options - evade the suspicious adult male following him at night, or confront him.
False again. What actions cause you to declare GZ as suspicious, while discounting the suspicious actions reported BY GZ re TM?
TM had a 3rd option, which his g/f tried to get him to do, and that was simply to return to the apartment. No confrontation was needed, necessary or reasonable.
your usage of the term "thug" here is disgusting, ...
No, your ignoring of the evidence is disgusting. You say GZ had no way of knowing who/what he was following, yet you give TM a free pass for turning and committing felonious assault against someone HE had no way of knowing who/what he was.
Hypocrisy level...expert.
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| 1605 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 149171815
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 12:14
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Tree...what should/could TM have done? Better choices...#1 Do not physically assault anyone. #2 Go home. #3 Call the police. #4 Confront and TALK to the guy following him. #5 Keep evading. #6 Knock on a neighbors door, ask for help, and have them call police. #7 Run. #8 Get to a public place where there are other people present.
Most important thing...Repeat #1...do not physically attack.
Personally I faced a VERY similar situation when I was around TMs age. Guess what, physically attacking the man with a gun never seemed like a good option and I am alive today because I did not think it was a good idea to physically attack a neighborhood watch person.
we simply don't know if GZ's version of the events "is likely what occurred." it is impossible to know that
We do have a good idea GZs version is likely true: Passed a lie detector, GZ fully cooperated with the investigation, investigators found him credible, witness statements matched the GZ account, we have the police "video ruse" that made GZ very happy to know the incident was caught on video, physical evidence of the beating. Are we 100% certain...no...but given the evidence it is likely true.
i hope a black teenager doesn't encounter you at night. sounds like you'd execute him on the spot.
If the black teenager punches me in the face - breaking my nose and then jumps on top of me and start bashing my head into concrete...if I am armed the person is going to have some lead pass through center mass.
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| 1606 | Tree
ID: 416292511
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 12:50
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Now you've got it!
read the context. read the referring posts before you decide to be a smart ass. TRS said that Martin chose to evade, and that played a role in him getting killed. then he chose to defend himself against an adult male, and that played a role in getting him killed.
In his world, Martin was doomed from the get go.
Evidence shows Trayvon first chose to evade the "suspicious adult male" (gay rapist) but once in a safe haven (outside his father's house) he decided to come back and commit a VERY ADULT CRIME
actually, evidence doesn't show this at all. it's been gone over by several posters here. inventing evidence doesn't change things.
What actions cause you to declare GZ as suspicious(?)
um. common sense. if i'm being followed at night, that person following me is suspicious.
yet you give TM a free pass for turning and committing felonious assault against someone HE had no way of knowing who/what he was.
again. we have no idea who attacked who first. make it up if it makes your soul feel better, but we don't know for sure.
#1 Do not physically assault anyone.
if you feel your life is in danger from someone following you, that may be the only course of action.
#2 Go home.
and be shot in the back? no thanks?
#3 Call the police.
certainly an option. and then pray they get their fast enough to stop the man following you.
#4 Confront and TALK to the guy following him.
i've heard this suggestion from other people - and it's asinine. who does this?!!? "why are you following me creepy man?!?! stay away!"
as a kid, from day one, we're taught "Stranger Danger" and "don't talk to strangers." this is a totally asinine suggestion that goes against years and years of what we're taught as children.
#5 Keep evading.
earlier, you said this contributed to his death. he should continue such actions?
#6 Knock on a neighbors door, ask for help, and have them call police.
unlikely a positive outcome can come out of this, unless being trapped on a front porch is your idea of a positive outcome. we've seen people shot on door steps, we've seen rape victims begging for help being turned away at the door.
#7 Run.
see #5, "keep evading".
#8 Get to a public place where there are other people present.
i don't think you have any idea what sort of neighborhood they were in. this was a "taupe neighborhood, nearly a mile from the 7-11 from which Martin walked. it's not nearly the kind of place with lots of public people-packed placed. Martin would have had to leave the neighborhood, while person's unknown are chasing him.
if i'm a scared kid, barely 17 years old, and it's dark outside, i have two choices. run for my life and hope this adult following me isn't up to something nefarious, or turn and confront, and fight for my life.
i know how i was when i was a kid, and i would have been scared out of my wits. i'd try to lose the guy, but if he kept following, i'd turn and defend myself.
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| 1607 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 13:22
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Tree...when will you admit that you are ignoring the facts as presented in court and continuing with your own (and others) blind suppositions and "what ifs", unsubstantiated by forensic, physical or eyewitness evidence>
I'm done with this. Y'all can continue to ignore reality all you want. But the evidence is clear, as long as you are willing to shut your yap and open your eyes.
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| 1608 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 13:31
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Evidence shows Trayvon first chose to evade the "suspicious adult male" (gay rapist) but once in a safe haven (outside his father's house) he decided to come back and commit a VERY ADULT CRIME
actually, evidence doesn't show this at all. it's been gone over by several posters here. inventing evidence doesn't change things.
The reason the prosecution lost this case is because prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel proved this to be the most likely scenario. This evidence was only ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS George Zimmerman was found not guilty.
I understand that some people will never look at this case objectively, thankfully the jury did and justice was served.
The Zimmerman case is fading from the media spotlight and will soon fade from public discussion.
It has always been a non-case. This is a case which never should have been brought, and would not have been brought except for racial politics.
It was brought and it was lost by those that brought it. Deal with it and move on.
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| 1609 | Tree
ID: 416292511
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 14:14
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The reason the prosecution lost this case is because prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel proved this to be the most likely scenario. This evidence was only ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS George Zimmerman was found not guilty.
right. none of this is "evidence". this is "testimony."
it's pretty clear that the english language, and word definitions, have been thrown into the garbage by those defending Zimmerman.
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| 1610 | Action Figure
ID: 336221413
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 15:16
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right. none of this is "evidence". this is "testimony."
Evidence can be divided into two categories:
Testimonial - statements or the spoken word from the victim(s) or witness(es).
Physical - also referred to as real evidence, consists of tangible articles such as hairs, fibers, latent fingerprints and biological material
It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! so you get nothing! You lose!
Good day, sir!
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| 1611 | chode
ID: 212581213
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 15:23
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Post 1609 brought me a hearty guffaw.
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| 1613 | bibA
ID: 48854410
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 16:19
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Zimmerman detained, possibly threatening his wife with his gun
Well, at least he knows he can stand his ground in a confrontation with her!
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| 1614 | Tree
ID: 46813913
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 16:36
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more details here...
Shellie Zimmerman recently announced plans to divorce her husband, who was acquitted in July on murder charges related to the 2012 death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.
Her attorney told ABC News that Zimmerman pulled a knife on her today after she discovered a firearm in the house they shared. He then pulled a gun on his wife and her father after a verbal altercation, according to attorney Kelly Sims.
a leopard doesn't change his spots.
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| 1615 | Mith
ID: 3692387
Sat, Jan 10, 2015, 07:44
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George Zimmerman arrested again. Since his high-profile acquittal, Zimmerman has had three other encounters with the Lake Mary police.
In September 2013, Zimmerman's estranged wife, Shellie Zimmerman, called 911 to tell police he had punched her father and was threatening her with a gun. She opted not to press charges.
In the second incident, which occurred in November 2013, Zimmerman was arrested and accused of domestic violence by girlfriend Samantha Scheibe, who later said investigators had misinterpreted her statements and dropped charges.
In September 2014, Zimmerman was involved in an incident of road rage.
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| 1616 | Boldwin
ID: 510591420
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 13:16
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Destroy a man's life with the gauntlet you've put him thru with your racist persecution, and then guffaw at the emotional carnage you've wrought in his life.
Look in the mirror, when you mock him. I'm not allowed to describe what you'll see.
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| 1617 | Mith
ID: 8018814
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 13:44
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Was he destroyed by racist prosecution during his pre-Trayvon-encounter brushes with the law?
Or is assaulting a police officer less an indication of character than carrying a bag of skittles?
I love how the conservative sense of responsibility circles right down the drain the moment they think they can blame a liberal for their problems.
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| 1618 | Bean
ID: 121011511
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 13:59
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Only thing important at this time is whether or not he is a further danger to the public, however we got here. This might be a case of someone who is mentally challenged for whatever reason, who needs help and might be a risk to society. Let's hope the wisdom of local authorities is adequate.
He cannot be re-tried for past deeds, but if he goes to Vegas and tries to get sports memorabilia back, he could serve some time. So, I wouldn't be looking for cheap air fares if I were him.
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| 1620 | Tree
ID: 161036918
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 13:30
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oh, good lord. now Baldwin defends a man with a history of a violence, and somehow tries to blame racism.
Zimmerman was not a pillar of a community before Trayvon Martin, and he's been even worse since.
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