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boikin
ID: 430211013 Fri, May 24, 2013, 14:19
PD, that was not even a statistical analysis that was a frequency table. Secondly I was not trying to say if they were being targeted or not, I was just pointing out that article did not disprove or prove anything. I am sure if I brought up my concerns with nate silver he would agree but since he is job or writing editorials for NYT I sure doing proper analysis are not his first concern.
Now if you want to show me where the statistical analysis was in that article feel free
I was just pointing out that article did not disprove or prove anything. I am sure if I brought up my concerns with nate silver he would agree
You don't have to ask you, since he doesn't claim to have proved anything:
Ms. Noonan is surely correct that many conservative taxpayers were audited. In fact, based on some simple math that I’ll present in a moment, it’s likely that hundreds of thousands of Mitt Romney voters were selected for an audit in 2012.
However, it’s also likely that hundreds of thousands of Mr. Obama’s supporters were audited. Although the percentage of taxpayers who are audited is relatively low — about 1 percent — the number of taxpayers in the United States is so large that this still yields well more than a million audits every year, across the political spectrum. To be clear, this calculation assumes that individuals’ risk of being audited is independent of their political views. In fact, there is no way to know exactly how many supporters of each candidate were chosen for an audit — nor could there be, since individual-level voting records and audit records are private.
The point is, however, that even with no political targeting at all, hundreds of thousands of conservative voters would have been chosen for audits in the I.R.S.’s normal course of business. Among these hundreds of thousands of voters, thousands would undoubtedly have gone beyond merely voting to become political activists.
The fact that Ms. Noonan has identified four conservatives from that group of thousands provides no evidence at all toward her hypothesis. Nor would it tell us very much if dozens or even hundreds of conservative activists disclosed that they had been audited. This is exactly what you would expect in a country where there are 1.5 million audits every year.
Frankly Boikin I have no idea what you're talking about when you say Silver's work does not necessarily show what it says it is showing. I'm not sure you do, either. What is it you think he claims to have "proved"?
For the record dozens of Tea Party exemptions were approved in 2012.
But that's a whole different thing from Silver's point. Read the link, Great Carnac. - MITH
More specifically:
dozens of Tea Party groups were approved for tax exempt status beginning in May 2012. That was the same month that Representative Dave Camp of Michigan wrote to the I.R.S. asking for information about all “social welfare” groups that had applied for tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, to determine whether the I.R.S. was targeting conservative groups...
from March 2010, when the agency began singling out conservative groups, to April 2012, just before it received Mr. Camp’s letter and changed its search criteria for the last time — the I.R.S. approved the applications of just four groups with those conservative keywords in their names. After the I.R.S. altered its search criteria the final time, the agency approved more than 40 Tea Party applications.
But you keep pretending the IRS wasn't illegally used as a political weapon.
Lie with statistics.
Go ahead, tell me with a straight face Van DerSloot wasn't targeted to harass a key Romney donor.
Yes I knew your link didn't include discussion of 'groups' but that just demonstrates that Sliver didn't even try to make that case, thus weakening his case that a highly politicized IRS was too ethical and law abiding to attack individuals.
I swear Nate Silver writes down a row of numbers and you guys complain that they aren't in alphabetical order.
From the post:
None of this ought to take away from the major part of the I.R.S. scandal — the targeting of conservative groups that applied for 501(c)(4) status, which the I.R.S. has admitted to and for which the statistical evidence is very clear. And evidence could yet emerge that there was targeting of politically active individual taxpayers.
come on Mith, Go ahead, tell me with a straight face that you expect them to read the entire thing, or even use some basic reading comprehension skills.
I really gotta start making a list of all the dodges you guys come up with when you know your side has been acting like Nixon and McCarthy all rolled into one and 0n steroids.
Or be honest and tell us why you like what this administration has been doing.
Give us a little of the old 'ends justifies the means', why doncha?
On Aug. 24, 2011, federal agents executed four search warrants on Gibson Guitar Corp. facilities in Nashville and Memphis, Tenn., and seized several pallets of wood,...
In one raid, the feds hauled away ebony fingerboards, alleging they violated Madagascar law. Gibson responded by obtaining the sworn word of the African island's government that no law had been broken.
In another raid, the feds found materials imported from India, claiming they too moved across the globe in violation of Indian law. Gibson's response was that the feds had simply misinterpreted Indian law.
Interestingly, one of Gibson's leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Co. According to C.F. Martin's catalog, several of their guitars contain "East Indian Rosewood," which is the exact same wood in at least 10 of Gibson's guitars. So why were they not also raided and their inventory of foreign wood seized?
Grossly underreported at the time was the fact that Gibson's chief executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, contributed to Republican politicians. Recent donations have included $2,000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., and $1,500 to Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
By contrast, Chris Martin IV, the Martin & Co. CEO, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the Democratic National Committee over the past couple of election cycles.
"two hostile raids on its factories by agents carrying weapons and attired in SWAT gear where employees were forced out of the premises, production was shut down, goods were seized as contraband and threats were made that would have forced the business to close."
Gibson, fearing a bankrupting legal battle, settled and agreed to pay a $300,000 penalty to the U.S. Government. It also agreed to make a "community service payment" of $50,000 to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation — to be used on research projects or tree-conservation activities.
... are but a few examples of the abuse of power by the Obama administration to intimidate those on its enemies list.
Is this really the way you wanna play it? Cause there are a lotta liberal businessmen to return fire on when republicans get back in power.
For those not blinded by the meme-of-the day, you might recall my own link (#487) of this thread.
Apparently, the new rule of the Far Right is that problems in government have to tick off two or more Far Right current outrages to be mentioned by them.
When CVFC, a conservative veterans’ group in California, applied for tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service, its biggest expenditure that year was several thousand dollars in radio ads backing a Republican candidate for Congress. The Wetumpka Tea Party, from Alabama, sponsored training for a get-out-the-vote initiative dedicated to the “defeat of President Barack Obama” while the I.R.S. was weighing its application. And the head of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, whose application languished with the I.R.S. for more than two years, sent out e-mails to members about Mitt Romney campaign events and organized members to distribute Mr. Romney’s presidential campaign literature. Representatives of these organizations have cried foul in recent weeks about their treatment by the I.R.S., saying they were among dozens of conservative groups unfairly targeted by the agency, harassed with inappropriate questionnaires and put off for months or years as the agency delayed decisions on their applications. But a close examination of these groups and others reveals an array of election activities that tax experts and former I.R.S. officials said would provide a legitimate basis for flagging them for closer review.
There are currently over 300 "non-profits" under investigation for improper political involvement. I guess for some conservatives Citizens United just didn't go far enough...
The Associated Press has turned up a collection of secret email accounts used by White House appointees. Yet another dark wall is revealed in the most "transparent administration in history." --- "most U.S. agencies have failed to turn over lists of political appointees' email addresses, which the AP sought under the Freedom of Information Act more than three months ago." --- Already we know that while she was the EPA administrator, Lisa Jackson used an email account in the fictitious name of Richard Windsor to hide her communications inside and outside of government.
Some of those emails have been seen by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which sued for them under the Freedom of Information Act. But, according to CEI, the "EPA has refused to produce — or produced only heavily redacted — documents in response to virtually all (of senior fellow Chris) Horner's requests." --- a shakedown element is connected to this latest — yes — scandal: "The Labor Department initially asked the AP to pay more than $1 million for its email addresses." --- Federal law prohibits the government from using private emails for official communications unless they are appropriately stored and can be tracked. Yet that appears to be a widespread practice of this administration. That's illegal, which defines outlaw behavior.
Yesterday the Department of Justice tried to explain away the Attorney General's deceptions. It claimed that the Attorney General told the truth when he told Congress he never "heard of" prosecuting a member of the press.
But he told a federal judge, in a sworn affidavit, that there was "probable cause" to believe that a Fox News reporter committed a crime. - Jay Sekulow
What is the point of having laws anymore? At this point they are nothing more than a tax on the honest. They don't even slow down the lawless. They pay no penalty for breaking the law.
So the suggestion that rightist media is far inferior.
We are to understand that no journalists covering Washington at FOX News, Breitbart, National Review, Pajamas Media, Weekly Standard, Washington Times or The Daily Caller had the contacts, the insiders, the access to break this story.
Actually threatening going permanently nuclear does not have that milktoast Bob Michels feel to it.
Unfortunately McConnell and Boner are only Tea Party for show. They'd rather have drinks with the Dem 'in crowd' and get the invites to the fashionable Washington salons than represent their constituents real feelings.
You aren't even interested in an accurate reading of the right side of the aisle. We all understand what you are doing with your little 'extremist' rubber stamp and your grafiti. If the Tea Party were really marginal the RINO's like McCain, Rubio and Graham wouldn't be having to practically caucus with Reid in order to defeat their own party's wishes wrt immigration..
lmao...you rightwingnuts, the extremists who have hijacked the GOP, keep blaming everything for your 2012 defeat EXCEPT...yourselves. Every week, its a different boogeyman. Someday, you might even admit the truth...you are, your own worst enemy.
The federal government is planning to quietly enact what could be the largest consolidation of personal data in the history of the republic...
Not to worry, says the Obama administration. "The hub will not store consumer information, but will securely transmit data between state and federal systems to verify consumer application information,"...
But a regulatory notice filed by the administration in February tells a different story.
That filing describes a new "system of records" that will store names, birth dates, Social Security numbers, taxpayer status, gender, ethnicity, email addresses, telephone numbers on the millions of people expected to apply for coverage at the ObamaCare exchanges, as well as "tax return information from the IRS, income information from the Social Security Administration, and financial information from other third-party sources."
the filing says the federal government can disclose this information "without the consent of the individual" to a wide range of people, including "agency contractors, consultants, or grantees" who "need to have access to the records" to help run ObamaCare, as well as law enforcement officials to "investigate potential fraud."
If these government agencies can't protect data kept on their own servers, how much more vulnerable will these databases be when they're constantly getting tapped by the ObamaCare Data Hub?
Say anything to get it passed.
We'll have to pass it to see what's in it.
Destroy any whistleblower who spills the beans before we can pass it.
The House GOP asked the IG to prepare a report on 501c3 audits, but limit them to just the Tea Party ones. When he does, they are up in arms that all the audits are--against Tea Party groups!
in regards to post 129, i anxiously await to see whether Baldwin:
1. ignores it 2. blames the liberal media 3. blames liberals 4. blames the gay agenda 5. blames the Jews, because sooner or later the Jews get lamed for everything 6. actually admits he was wrong.
How can they claim IRS processing of tax exempt status is classified, and so classified that they dare not share them with congressmen? Time for a special prosecutor.
** At least 292 conservative groups targeted ** At least 5 pro-Israel groups targeted ** Constitutional groups targeted ** Groups that criticized Obama administration were targeted ** At least two pro-life groups targeted ** A Texas voting-rights group was targeted ** Conservative activists and businesses were targeted. ** At least 88 IRS agents were involved in the targeting scandal ** At least one conservative Hispanic group was targeted
Today the Inspector General confirmed that 292 conservative groups were targeted by the IRS. Only 6 liberal groups were targeted.
(A)..they were not 'targeted'. They came up, because of key words. just as numerous progressive groups did. (B) Like Benghazi...no story is here to be had, by HONEST people. Only, by biased pawns of their machine. (C) Have you bought your Glenn Beck wardrobe yet?
They don't seem to understand that many of these groups were actually participating in the very activities which were illegal by an organization with a 501c3 status. In fact, that *is* the beef: That these partisan organizations were heavily scrutinized.
This is like a bunch of men, caught in a sting operation at a whorehouse, complaining that they were unfairly targeted because of their gender.
btw Boldwin? Why was it 292 conservative groups and 6 progressive?
From PDs link above:
The Treasury inspector general (IG) whose report helped drive the IRS targeting controversy says it limited its examination to conservative groups because of a request from House Republicans.
A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) “to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.”
Because Issa ASKED for exactly that. IOW, the entire "scandal", is a GOP fabrication.
sarge: so you don't get lost in the maelstrom: The letter referenced in #131 is specific, and limited to, the audit which itself was limited in scope.
In other words, when found out that the audit was biased by design, the Right still tries to point to letters about that same audit--a drum circle of "proof" as it were.
All 292 Tea Party groups, meanwhile, were part of the IRS witchhunt.
(A) Since when is an investigation of potential criminal wrong doing, frowned upon by the Republican party? (Arent you the ones who self promote as tough on crime?) (B) The witchhunt as it were, is being conducted BY, the GOP.
Obviously the authoritarian proponents of criminal profiling don't think it's so great when they are the ones being profiled.
If this is what it takes for them to figure out the practice of such general class profiling is wrong - whether it's Muslims or young black men or tea partiers, I'll gladly welcome them into their enlightenment.
When your plan is simply to attack Obama, the real facts don't matter so much when all you really need are some facts with the sheen of official-dome on them.