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Posted by: Perm Dude
- [431013412] Thu, Oct 16, 2014, 19:40

ho hum. Senate will switch to the GOP for a couple of years, but nothing will change because they aren't passing legislation, approving nominees, and doing much of anything.

The GOP has nothing which which to threaten Obama. This is the problem with a party of extremists. At least, in Gingrich's day, they were still doing the people's work and were willing to leverage their advantage into compromise legislation with Clinton.

These days, compromise in one of many words they don't know.

Meanwhile, hopefully, this year's Sharron Angle will head back to the Iowa Senate in January
1Seattle Zen
      ID: 576301411
      Thu, Oct 23, 2014, 12:11
Wendy Davis is losing the Texas governor race, but, come on, it's Texas...
Davis' campaign has been criticized as poorly-run, and some have wondered if she was the right nominee for the party. But these criticisms miss the point — both the long-term structure of Texas politics and the state's short-term situation mean that 2014 never looked like a promising year for a Democratic comeback. "The assessment of Wendy Davis has been a little unfair, and too focused on her rather than on the context of the candidacy," says Professor James Henson of the University of Texas at Austin.

Too bad, a little bit of sanity and grace would do Texas a world of good.
2Tree
      ID: 55815821
      Thu, Oct 23, 2014, 22:40
it's pretty insane down here.

some of Wendy's ads were, to say the least, offensive. i definitely hated when her campaign decided to go all Willie Horton with some of her ads.
3Seattle Zen
      ID: 576301411
      Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 12:03
538.com has made election night a lot less intriguing in my opinion. I remember spending the night on the internet zipping back and forth between dozens of windows on the edge of my seat. Not any more.

If every current favorite in FiveThirtyEight’s forecasts wins (which is unlikely), we’d be looking at a net gain of three governorships for Democrats and independents. Republican governors in Alaska, Florida, Kansas, Maine and Pennsylvania are forecasted to lose.

There are two states (OR and AK) and DC looking to join WA and CO in legalizing and regulating marijuana. Florida is attempting to amend their constitution to allow for medical marijuana.

Don't really care that the Senate is going to go Republican, that pathetic institution doesn't accomplish a damn thing.
4Seattle Zen
      ID: 576301411
      Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 12:11
Oh, I forgot Guam, which has already voted YES for medical marijuana today.

With 56 of 58 precincts reporting, voters in Guam have approved a medical marijuana measure with over 56% of the vote.
5Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 14:29
I heard that Florida might say "no" to medical marijuana. What's up with that? I don't follow the issue too closely--do you think the governor's race there has clouded things?

I think the Dems might pick up a couple of House seats this time. Not enough to make a difference, but more is better.
6sarge33rd
      ID: 361043413
      Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 14:43
<---cautiously hopeful about todays outcomes. Scared, that my home state is potentially sending an abject moron to the Senate.
7Boozer
      ID: 151036422
      Tue, Nov 04, 2014, 23:36
Governer LARRY? wuddup SZ! we were just wanted to give O'Malley a GTFO present. he's everybody else's problem now
8Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Wed, Nov 05, 2014, 00:12
Boozer, WTF? Maryland with a republican gov??? Who is that guy?
9Boozer
      ID: 151036422
      Wed, Nov 05, 2014, 00:16
I was kind of hoping to hear from the (R)WINNER sometime soon here in MD, or anything about him, any coverage whatsoever. instead I get the loser on all local networks, all night. how much loves us, what he did wrong, who his family is.

Life in Maryland
10biliruben
      ID: 32104457
      Wed, Nov 05, 2014, 08:50
Kinda hoped we would have a Visine election in Washington (get the red out), so we would have some hope of raising desperately needed revenue for education. Alas.

The gun measure was huge, however. And the pilot for preschools in Seattle will at least be interesting. A few more dollars for buses, as well.

But what we really need is an income tax. Until that happens, we won't see much progress on things I hold dear.

11Seattle Zen
      ID: 576301411
      Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 14:49
Here is what I could envision happening legislatively in the early days of this new Congress. A package that includes - Keystone XL pipeline, corporate tax reform, immigration reform and a whole slew of judicial/executive appointments filled.

McConnell and Boener have been bellyaching about executive action on immigration reform because there is nothing, nothing they can do to stop it. There is a downside to agreeing to immigration reform, their base despises the idea. But there are intelligent reasons to include it in a package. One, they aren't actually "giving" anything away since the President could make most of the actions happen by clicking his pen. Second, the few smart, strategic minds left in that party see the folly of being the anti-Latino obstructionists.

Republicans want the Keystone XL and the President is not really opposed, I think that is an easy concession for him. The real trick will be in the details of corporate tax reform. Obviously, the top tax rate will need to come down, that's priority one of the Rep. Democrats could agree upon that if there are enough progressive changes to offset it, serious change to overseas accounting, dramatic changes to accounting rules that allow one quarter of large corporations not paying a single dime in tax. In short, the Dems would trade revenue neutral, tax fairness reform for a top rate tax cut. And all of this requires around 200 appointees to get sworn in right away.

Let's do this.
12sarge33rd
      ID: 41028614
      Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 15:28
Except I see that pipeline as a disaster waiting to happen. I know the President doesnt oppose it overtly, but it truly is a HORRIBLE thing. If it is such a grand idea, why arent they running it across Canada to Vancouver?

Call me cynical, but I see the House and now the Senate, voting to repeal the ACA. After 3 or 4 of these being vetoed, they will begin attaching such a repeal as an amendment to otherwise "must sign" legislation.

Unless saner minds in the GOP emerge, and emerge in positions of power, I see the House moving forward with Articles of Impeachment. Without the Senate held by Dems, I am not so certain the Senate wouldnt uphold them, despite no legitimate basis for it. If that happens, and it is by no means certain, then look for the same thing to be done to then President Biden. That of course, puts John Boehner in the WH, assuming he holds as Speaker of the House.

This GOP has shown itself perfectly willing to oppose its own ideas, in order to oppose Obama. They hate him, with an utterly irrational thoroughness. I dont look for that to suddenly stop.
13Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 16:08
The GOP isn't interested in governing, IMO.

I get Zen's point, that there are areas of intersection with which to have some forward movement on issues. I just don't trust the GOP to take those opportunities. Their ODS was just validated Tuesday.

But, know hope. One of the reasons why 2016 looks good for Democrats is that it is a presidential year, and the GOP is defending 26 Senate seats while the Democrats are defending 10.
14Seattle Zen
      ID: 576301411
      Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 18:23
Here's a story in the New York Times thinking along much the same lines as I, but the insiders are rather pessimistic at the prospects.
After years of clashes and a grudging truce, fiscal and economic policy was brought back to center stage by the wave of Republican electoral victories on Tuesday, with both President Obama and the new congressional leadership expressing hope that deals can be reached to simplify the tax code, promote trade and eliminate the budget deficit.

But there are deep policy differences between Republican leaders and the White House. Chris Krueger, a Washington policy analyst for Guggenheim Securities, told clients Thursday morning that he actually saw the chance of tax reform eroding, not improving, because professions of comity would soon be swamped by budget brinkmanship.

The Treasury Department under Mr. Obama has already proposed a detailed plan to broadly overhaul the corporate tax code and bring down the corporate income tax rate to 28 percent from 35 percent. Mr. Obama proposed a novel deal to Republicans: simplify the corporate tax code and allow multinational corporations a one-time low tax rate to bring home billions of dollars in profits parked overseas, but use the windfall from that “tax holiday” for infrastructure spending. Neither proposal went anywhere.

Here is the President's policy paper on corporate tax reform.

There are a lot of questions about the Republicans motivations at this time. Are there enough idiots who feel like another government shutdown is in order? I mean, a dim bulb might conclude that Tuesday's results validated that stunt, that the voters went Republican BECAUSE they do things like obstruct and shut the government down. If that line of thinking prevails, there will be no "window of opportunity" to strike a deal.
Republican aides involved in tax reform say the desire to find a deal is real, but the distance between the Republican Congress and the White House is wider than the president or Republican leaders are indicating. Much of the spade work is done. The Treasury’s business tax plan details just how many loopholes would have to be eliminated or curtailed to bring the rate down to 28 percent, a level not low enough for Republicans.

The retiring Ways and Means chairman, Dave Camp of Michigan, produced an even broader tax code overhaul that would include individuals and small businesses. It included provisions that should have broad appeal among Democrats: a tax on large banks, a surtax on high-income individuals, and a narrower limit on deductions for large mortgages and retirement savings. It also includes a variant of Mr. Obama’s infrastructure spending plan.

But huge impediments could block the path, one House Republican aide said. The White House still would like a tax overhaul to increase revenue to help address the national debt. Republicans want a simplified tax code to produce the same amount of revenue as the current one. And Mr. Ryan believes the faster economic growth that he says such reform would bring should be assumed when the tax take is estimated. That would mean that if faster growth does not materialize, a Ryan tax plan would fall short of its revenue projections.

This surprised me. I didn't know that the Republicans proposed a revenue-neutral corporate tax reform package. I think the Dems could concede that issue.
Bigger still is the scale of ambition. Thus far, Mr. Obama wants to confine the tax overhaul to the byzantine corporate tax code, which would leave the tax forms of individuals and most small businesses untouched.

To Republicans, that is impossible, philosophically and politically. Business lobbies like the National Federation of Independent Business and even the Chamber of Commerce would stand in the way. Republicans would worry that they would be castigated as helping Big Business while ignoring the travails of other taxpayers.

But White House officials say they attained the progressive tax code they wanted when the “fiscal cliff” deal of January 2013 allowed the highest tax rate on affluent families to return to 39.6 percent, after the expiration of a cut passed under President George W. Bush. They worry that any simplification of the individual tax code would reduce tax rates on the rich at the expense of lower-income families.

See, if Republicans insist that any tax reform must include individuals, there can be no corporate tax reform alone, then there will be no movement at all. The conclusion at the end of the story pretty much sums up American governance in the 21st century.
The window for action is short, given the complexity of the task, Mr. Obama’s lame-duck stature and the looming presidential election. A senior Republican House aide involved in tax policy said that unless both the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee have drafted and approved legislation, a potential deal would probably slide to the next president.

15biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Fri, Nov 07, 2014, 08:48
Two years of nothing, is what I expect.

I may be surprised, but I doubt it. Republicans are entrenched in their "give Obama nothing" mindset, and with Hillary, who they may hate more than Mr. Obama, on the horizon, it will be more of the same. Why would they take a chance on degrading a winning strategy? What's bad for Obama is bad for America (or more appropriately the other way around), but the devils in the details, and their base doesn't, or can't, analyze details.

My truss company failed because state contracts for building dried up. Obama's fault. Vote Republican.
16sarge33rd
      ID: 1310101016
      Mon, Nov 10, 2014, 17:10
A Canadians take.....

“When you are done with Obama, could you send him our way?”

'nuff said
17Pancho Villa
      ID: 2131916
      Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 10:22
In my congressional district, longtime BlueDog Democrat Jim Matheson retires, and Mia Love makes history by becoming the first black Republican woman elected to Congress.

Love's political experience is limited to a seat on the city council and a short term as mayor of Saratoga Springs, a bedroom community next to my town that didn't even really exist as an entity until the late 90s.
It will be interesting to see if she can become an effective legislator, or a Republican novelty to be trotted out in the media as an example of GOP 'diversity.'
18Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Tue, Nov 11, 2014, 19:38
She's already getting trotted out. I'd be interested to see if she finds her wings.
19Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Fri, Nov 14, 2014, 23:23
The Obama [or as I like to call him, 'President Shroom'] administration is taxing pot dealers up to 90% taxes. I'm curious if SZ voted his single interest and voted against this anti-pot administration?



20Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Fri, Nov 14, 2014, 23:35
Mia shreds race obsessed media. Imagine the colorblind society MLK advocated. Imagine congress full of color-blind principled politicians like Mia. Imagine a media that was colorblind.
21Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Sat, Nov 15, 2014, 00:53
"...instead, he ended up paying close to $20,000 to the IRS because of a 1980's tax code called 280E...."

Barack Obama: Taking the reins of presidential power in 1982.

Go away. You're a lying troll who even lies about leaving.
22Pancho Villa
      ID: 2131916
      Sun, Nov 16, 2014, 22:22
color-blind principled politicians like Mia

In the heat of the race, September 12, Darrien Hunt was gunned down by Saratoga Springs police in one of the most egregious acts of police aggression in Utah state history. Mia's response?

"I don’t want to be mentioned in anything," said Love. "I think it should just go through the process it is supposed to go through."

I suppose one could interpret that as being color-blind, or it could be interpreted as being completely unwilling to address the principles and values she likes to trumpet as her strengths.

It's pretty easy to be color-blind in a community that has virtually no color but white, and the Utah legislature has gerrymandered the state so successfully as to render the Hispanic minority communities irrelevant. But given the one in a million chance that a black kid would be shot in the back six times by Saratoga Springs cops, and respond with "I don't want to be mentioned in anything," is cowardly.

She could have said something even semi-courageous like,

"I sympathize with Darrien's family, and hope all in our community strive to eradicate fears based on skin color, which very well may have been an element in this tragedy."

Because every person in our community, admit it or not, knows those cops wouldn't have shot a white kid 6 times in the back for doing nothing.



23Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Mon, Nov 17, 2014, 11:33
I promised to leave?
24Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Mon, Nov 24, 2014, 19:05
America, You’ve Been Grubered!
The most important effect of the revelations of the Administration’s flunkies’ history of cheesy lies about Obamacare is that liberals must now answer one threshold question before discussing the substance of any new socialist scheme:

Why should we trust anything liberals say about anything?

Grubergate is just one of the score of scandals, frauds, and failures that have destroyed any trust in this collection of creeps by anyone except the most leftist and the most stupid, two sets which, if graphed in a Venn diagram, would be represented by a single circle.
...
the liberals in the media, which is to say “the media,” ran through the first four of the five stages of grief in record time.

Stage One – Denial: “Gruber who? Never heard of the guy I said was key to the whole Obamacare idea. And I never heard of Obamacare either. Look, a squirrel!”

Stage Two – Anger: “This is an outrage, citing the statements of a guy we spent years touting as an expert on Obamacare who says it was all a giant scam! You are the worst human being since that inhuman monster who wore a whimsical shirt to a comet landing!”

Stage Three – Bargaining: “Well, uh, Mitt Romney hired him too so it’s not so bad. Wait, what? You say that for conservatives, defending Mitt Romney over Romneycare is not a thing?”

Stage Four – Depression: “How can we ever hope to trick – I mean ‘convince’ – the American people to trust us enough about made-up crises to ever again transfer massive amounts of money and power to us liberals and the institutions we control?”

How indeed. The liberals will probably never reach Stage Five (Acceptance), and they face the huge hurdle the next time they gin up some bogus problem that demands a solution that – here’s the shocker – requires they be given more money and power. That hurdle is the fact that we conservatives are never going to let anyone forget how they Grubered America.

The climate change scam? They’ll Gruber at us that it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened, even worse than the ice age they were predicting back in the 70s if we didn’t – wait for it – give liberals more money and power.

The midterm election was a big blow to the fading cash and freedom-devouring climate change scam. The fact that global warming does not seem to involve any warming was already presenting a problem for the slobbering fetishists of the climate panic. Now, every time they start saying, “Trust us. I know how a year ago I said that by now the oceans would be dried up, but they’ll totally be gone next summer – really,” people will respond, “Don’t Gruber me, bro.”

It’s kind of hard to build up a lot of trust for your next big idea when you excuse lying about your last big idea because it was so darn important: “Oh yeah, deceiving you about health care was cool because health care is a big deal. Sure, climate change could mean the end of the world, but on that one, well, absolute honesty. This whole green energy thing totally won’t cost you more for electricity, limit your freedom, or enrich our liberal billionaire donors. Cross my heart. Now excuse me, I gotta catch a chartered jet to Gstaad for a conference on the importance of taking away your cars.”
25biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 07:30
If you wished to discuss this (and I'm guessing I know the answer to that), perhaps you should have started somewhere closer to "there's this gruber guy..."

After a quick google, I'm still scratching me head.

For the rest of us "socialists, creeps, leftists and stupids":
He's a self-promoter, and one of a handful of economist consultants who worked on ACA.

And as far as I can tell, he's not saying anything I didn't know well in advance of ACA passing. He's just saying it loudly and in inflammatory terms. So the goofballs at town hall can understand him, I guess.

I'm scratching my head why they think this is some bombshell. And I doubt Baldwin can explain it, because he's so deep in the rabbit hole that he thinks it's self-evident.
26Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 13:51
The guy they hired to game the CBO figures and sell the bill to newspapers all over the country [without disclosing to them that he was paid to do it] admits if they had been honest there is no way the bill could have been passed.

Bonus scandal: Of course Obama's palace guard, the MSM hasn't told you who Gruber was.

Start getting some of your news from people who actually think you deserve to hear the truth.
27Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 13:57
And as far as I can tell, he's not saying anything I didn't know well in advance of ACA passing.

I guess an alternate reading of your comment is that you were deliberately on 'Team: Lie until it passes.' knowing full well it was a pack of lies.

I can't help believing there is no one so stupid as to believe Obamacare was gonna be a net money saver. Was that a mea culpa, bili?
28biliruben
      ID: 81382416
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 15:17
Well, it appears it is> a net money saver, at least to date.

I am certainly not going to waste my time parsing partial quotes from town hall from some airbag.
29Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 17:05
Yeah, we aren't even allowed to ask someone who now feels entitled to free healthcare whether they are one of the third of Mexico here illegally, but these expenses will be more than counteracted by what, bili?

The IPAB aka the death panel?

There are hidden taxes all over the place but these don't count as expenses?
30Tree
      ID: 4510222518
      Tue, Nov 25, 2014, 19:22
This place is definitely more interesting with our resident crackpot back. At least he was right about that.
31biliruben
      ID: 81382416
      Wed, Nov 26, 2014, 10:46
I don't know the limits or documentation required to access Medicaid. I would think it would be pretty difficult to get without some documentation, but I really don't know.

Unlike Obama, I would prefer that they did have access to Medicaid, rather than using the ER.

Question for Baldwin: what would you suggest the best method for accessing the health care system would be for someone who can't prove they have a legal right to work in the US?

re: Hidden Taxes. When you mix up costs and taxes, you obscure the story. Are we talking about broad health care industry costs or personal costs? Are we talking about revenues? Are you just shouting and throwing things at walls and hoping for a political win, or are you interested in figuring out whether ACA saves our country money? If the later is the case, then taxes are revenues, not costs. I have already made my personal opinions known on day-to-day health insurance, and would probably making no catastrophic insurance illegal if that were politically feasible.

32Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Mon, Dec 01, 2014, 04:53
From another thread: 'The Republicans may have an historic advantage but the combine still outvotes them. Which is why people like Jeb Bush and Boehner are twisting and turning to figure out a way to pass 'immigration reform' and why they can be counted on not to take down Obamacare even while pretending to, desperately looking for ways to defeat the Tea Party and the mandate of '14.

This congress is gonna look like Newt's congress stylistically but it is doubtful they will act like it. McConnell and Boehner are just the opposite and 'someone' is putting them in leadership positions." - Me

One of the most revealing statements ever...Nancy Peolsi explaining why she should and would retain leadership after leading her party to an historic electoral defeat...'I know where the money is.'

Which is the same reason McConnell and Boehner will lead the REPs. Everybody line up and get your mealticket stamped. See those 100 billionaires exiting 'President Goldman Sach's WH? They'll be along shortly to fund your next campaign too.
33Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Sun, Dec 07, 2014, 10:12
54 Republicans / 46 Democrats

Obamacare kills off another one.

Good riddance Mary Landrieu. Three terms voting against the culture and wishes of your state outweighed the value of having a Louisiana Senator chairing the Senate Committee on Energy.
34Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Fri, Dec 12, 2014, 21:18
Signs of things to come:

We see already that the corrupt combine of president Goldman Sachs and Chamber of Commerce sell-outs McConnell and Boehner intend to outmaneuver the new majority.

As I predicted. Already the combine has removed the conservatives' handle on illegal immigration funding and Obamacare until next September.
35Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Tue, Dec 16, 2014, 11:58
It's all connected:

1) Within living memory you couldn't get elected Dem President without a southern drawl. [Obama being the one affirmative action exception to the rule.] It used to suggest/reassure people the candidate had a centrist streak.

2) There is no longer a single statewide Dem politician in office in the South. The farm team cupboards are bare and gonna stay bare for a long long time.

3) Demographics aren't the lib salvation they are purported to be. Millennial's are more economically conservative than GenX'ers. Young Latinos are more economically conservative than older cohorts.
36Boldwin
      ID: 510591420
      Sat, Dec 20, 2014, 21:43
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