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0 Subject: Lori Berenson from New York's Shinning Path

Posted by: Seattle Zen
- [411302615] Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 19:34

Pardon Ruled Out in Peru for New York Woman

I don't know how many of you remember this case, but I found it chilling. Ms. Berenson is facing another 14 years in prison for associating with Maxist rebels in Peru. This is no Club Fed joint either, I've heard that the prison is unheated and viciously cold most of the time.

I wanted to know what everyone thought about the prospect of GW bringing her case up in coversation with Pres. Alejandro Toledo when he visits next month. I know that I would have a lot more respect for the man if he talked Toledo into letting her return to the US.

"Let me ask you something, Andro, can I call you 'Andro'? I've been talking to Mr. and Mrs. Berenson and they sure miss little Lori sumptin fierce. She is a good girl, just was caught in the wrong crowd. Hell, she prolly didn't understand what they all were sayin', they speakin' Spanish and all. Why don't you just let me take her home today, I have a seat on Air Force One for her, and I'll make sure that your privatization program is even MORE lucrative to you and all you 'Andro Juniors', you know what I'm sayin'?"

The left press would be so shocked, they'd take at least two days off bashing the man. What would it hurt to ask?

PS: where were all of the "Liberal New York is to blame for Lori Bereson's tomfoolery" stories back in 1995?
1Baldwin
      ID: 4261155
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:11
There is anyone around defending the Shining Path?

They're rep stinks even in commie circles I thot. No sympathy for her whatsoever considering.
2Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:36
I believe from this and other sites that Ms. Berenson is accused of being a member of the MRTA, not the Shining Path. The Revolutionary Worker Online, organ of U.S. Maoists linked to the Shining Path hasn't been bringing Berenson up link, which supports this.

Toral
3Madman
      ID: 21020124
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 20:41
the United States considers that Ms. Berenson had received due process in her failed appeal of her conviction.

So under what basis would a pardon be granted?

He could ask Peru to upgrade their entire prison system (Bereson's treatment included). That would be a general human rights issue.

But I see no reason for special treatment of Bereson simply because she has a US passport in this case. She broke the law, she got caught.

Going in and begging for special treatment here would be an arrogant action on our part. The sort of thing that can give a super power a bad rap -- for good reason -- in world opinion.
4Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 391321922
      Tue, Feb 19, 2002, 22:37
I haven't been following the case very closely, though I've read a bit on it. I can't see the reason for any pardon either.

pd
5steve houpt
      ID: 38138167
      Wed, Feb 20, 2002, 02:39
The last thing I would believe if I was GWB was that there was anything you could do to get SZ's respect and stop liberal bashing for even an hour. Most of the country sees that bashing for what it's worth.

If GWB had facts that her rights were denied (not under our law) or some other group does, might mention it. Or see if sentence could be reduced to 'appology for terrorism' which is only be 12 years. And see if he could get some agreement to let her go in 2008.

She was retried, sentence reduced from life (treason) to 20 years (collaborating with terrorists). Might try to get it down to 12 years (apology).

If NYT fought for ANWR, tax cuts, the House stimulus package, against Farm Bill and against CFR every day until the 2002/2004 elections, then I could be bribed to try and get her out in 2004. :)

Didn't Toledo make a visit here after his election? Or was Powell supposed to visit with him when 9/11 occured? Know Powell was in South America.

Here is an article in Cgristian Science Monitor written before her second trial in MARCH 2001.

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... some observers say that reforms in the country's judicial system and the departure of a corrupt administration have increased the possibility that, this time, she will get a fair trial.

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Berenson's family and lawyers say a fair trial is still impossible. "I'm amazed that the current government has allowed this and other trials to go on while the reform in the judiciary process has not been completed," says her father, Mark Berenson.

But others say Peru, which faces general elections next month, has changed dramatically in the four months since Fujimori resigned.

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The trial would have been handled according to political interests, and I think there would have been pressure on the judges to find her guilty. Things have changed in that regard. I don't see that happening now," says lawyer Carlos Rivera of the Legal Defense Institute, which defends Peruvians falsely accused of terrorism.

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Rivera says Peru's civilian terrorism courts have been cleaned up significantly in recent years under Judge Marcos Ibazeta, the presiding judge in Berenson's case. A respected independent, Mr. Ibazeta promises a fair trial and has allowed the proceedings to be broadcast live.

Berenson now faces charges of terrorist collaboration, which carries a 20-year sentence.


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The I'm just a NY liberal and could not be guilty defense did not work, so everything was unfair (may be by OUR standards). She sounds like someone that is so smart they are stupid. Because if her story is true, she is stupid. You should not get 20 years for being stupid, but when you are playing near fire (without all the luxuries of US court system), happens sometimes. Especially when you are tried under other countries laws. If her story now (should have kept mouth shut when in front of that TV camera years ago) is true, and everybody elses is not, 6-12 years for lesser crime would be more than enough for being that stupid.
6Myboyjack
      Leader
      ID: 4443038
      Wed, Feb 20, 2002, 10:47
I don't think Lori Berenson should get any more special treatment in Peru than does this Saudi princess in Orlando who wants to go home. I'm shedding no tears for either of them.
7KnicksFan
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      ID: 57832250
      Fri, Feb 22, 2002, 03:13
A little OT, but Lori Berenson is a fellow alumnus of my Junior High School (Simon Baruch Middle School, IS 104 in Manhattan). Our other famous graduate is Robert Downey Jr. Good group, eh? Hope I DON'T follow in their footsteps.
8Myboyjack
      Leader
      ID: 4443038
      Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 11:28
Berenson Case 'Closed'
9Seattle Zen
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      ID: 411302615
      Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 12:07
At least the Shrub asked.
10Seattle Zen
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      ID: 37241120
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 14:17
Well, I got a glimpse last night at why the Peruvian President will never let Lori go. I was at a bar and met a nice Peruvian woman. We talked about Fujimori and all things political. She seemed very educated, well aware that the press in her country is controlled by moneyed interests and the government, overall an intelligent liberal.

So I posited a simple question, "Why can't you let Lori Berenson out of jail and come home to the US?" This woman got hoping mad, I mean SPITTING mad and went on a fifteen-minute screed against this vile, murderous bitch. She said that just by looking at her, all of Peru could tell that she was GUILTY, Berenson committed all names of heinousness, car bombs, hostages, and my favorite, they would go into small villages and kill people, take their babies and raise them to be Marxist guerillas.

I pointed out that just 5 minutes before she went on about how the Peru media was controlled by the Gov't and money (one and the same), but now suddenly it wasn't so bad. It was ME who was fooled by the US media. I pointed out that Berenson was guilty by association only, that no one ever pointed to an act that SHE did, but no, I guess when the international press says that Berenson was tried in a secret court proceeding, it means it was only closed to everyone outside of Peru, for it sure sounded like every single Peruvian was watching it on TV like it was the Watergate hearings. And all of Peru knows that she committed every nasty thing under the sun.

I came away with the succinct feeling that the populous of Peru are fed a line of crap regarding Berenson. "See, we are cracking down so hard on these vile, heartless children killers that we will throw Americans into jail for LIFE regardless of the international consequences. Just imagine what we would do to YOU if you thought about joining a radical dissent political faction".

You learn something new every day, especially over beers.
11Baldwin
      ID: 144331618
      Sat, Apr 06, 2002, 14:29
Umm Zen? You are aware that revolutionary movements around the world are employing child soldiers in untold numbers right? If you are going to go to another country and stir up bloodshed and you get caught you will be subject to the laws of that country and can expect to be dealt with harshly. Gratz to Peru for capturing her and sticking to their guns.
12steve houpt
      ID: 333510
      Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 21:39
I think you're right SZ. You were talking to an intelligent woman. She got hot when she realized she was talking to someone that buys Berenson's 'I'm liberal, I'm could never be guilty of anything, I'm just misunderstood, I knew nothing, I saw nothing, I did nothing BS'.

She probably left with the succinct feeling that most of the populous of the USA has been fed a line of crap regarding Berenson innocence.

Little does she know that it's only a few. :):)

Like I said if (big if - no one is ever guilty) Berenson's story is true, she is guilty of being an idiot. That's a crime in some countries. bet she won't be that dumb again.
13Seattle Zen
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      ID: 55343019
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 13:45
I'm harkening back to this thread because last night I said "goodbye" to my neighbor and great friend Fiorella, the Peruivan I mentioned in post 10. Little did I know that Fiorella and I would become such close friends. We live in "The Compound", a piece of land in a great Seattle neighborhood with two houses and a shared driveway that makes a great place to throw a party. My friends Nicole and Marianna live in the place up front. I'm the David Koresh of this little commune;) Fi is moving to Barcellona.

I never brought up Lori Berenson again with Fi until last night when I asked if she remembered what we talked about the first time we met and she remembered. I will miss you very much, mi amiga. Buena Suerte, mi amor, Hasta el próximo tiempo.

I think you're right SZ. You were talking to an intelligent woman.
14Toral
      Sustainer
      ID: 2111201313
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 14:30
Zen, I love bonding, but don't get the story. Who is the "intelligent woman"? Fiorella? Did she eventually agree that you were right, that Ms. Berenson was a good person? Is this a story of you converting an "intelligent liberal" to radicalism? or what?

Feel free to elaborate.

Toral
15Seattle Zen
      Donor
      ID: 55343019
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 14:40
And I love bondage :)

No point to the story other than to say "goodbye". Like I said, we never spoke of Ms. Berenson again. My opinion hasn't changed, I doubt hers has either.

I think you're right SZ. You were talking to an intelligent woman. was taken from post 12. It is one of the only things The Source has posted that I agree with. Fi is very intellegent. I will always be in awe of multilingual people because I had such a difficult time learning Spanish in high school and Japanese in college.
16Seattle Zen
      ID: 178161719
      Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 02:40

Lori Through the Looking Glass:A New Perspective On the Lori Berenson Case


Excellent piece on Lori's plight.
From Lima, Peru’s justice minister told the Inter-American Court that it must show respect for the rights and tranquility of the Peruvian people over that of Lori Berenson when it make its decision. Separately, the president of Peru’s Congress, Antero Flores Araoz, wrote to the Inter-American Court emphasizing that Lori should not be freed. A number of members of Peru’s Congress signed a letter addressed to the Court urging it rule against Lori. Even the respected members of the Peruvian Truth and Reconciliation Commission sent the Court an amicus curiae incomprehensibly opining that Lori should not be freed and Peru not be compelled to give her another trial. This same Peruvian commission had, incongruously, in its August 30, 2003 official report, stated that the Fujimori anti-terrorism laws, under which Berenson was initially tried by hooded military judges with purportedly no legal training, were illegal and that they must be brought into compliance with international standards. Even Berenson’s second trial, in which certain charges were dropped and her sentence reduced, was held under Fujimori-era laws. This commission further had found that the January – February 2003 revisions to these anti-terrorism laws, made more than a year after Lori Berenson’s second trial, while representing a major improvement, did not yet go far enough and were still in need of compliance with the American Convention on Human Rights.
17Seattle Zen
      ID: 10732616
      Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 18:19


She's free and the hottest falsely-accused terrorist in Peruvian history.

The Liberation of Lori Berenson - “Forty-four seconds, and it ruined her life. It doesn’t take much.”

This story is heart rendering, and to think that the Peruvians STILL want to throw her and her child back into prison for five more years, outrageous!
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