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Subject: The mystery of recruiting
Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid
- [211013916] Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 00:55
I just want to bitch about this to somebody so please ignore this... |
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| 64 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 14:04
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Conrad Gutermuth 6-3 PG conf 13
G, not sure. Got 2 maxes left so still looking over everyone.
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| 65 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 14:12
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OK.
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| 66 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 15:04
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Max'g:
Veltman - 18
Collier - 18
Lang - 10
Hardison - 20
If anyone is in Conf 10 or 20 let me know if the last two are a problem (leavin' work at 4:30EST)
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| 67 | Flying Polack
ID: 275541920
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 15:51
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Reno is maxing
Daniel Seay- Conf 27
Henry Wiser- Conf 27
Jeffrey Perdue- Conf 27
Lenny Eldridge- Conf 15
Is anyone here from Conference 15? If so are you maxing Lenny?
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| 68 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:05
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Chris is South Bend in 15.
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| 69 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:47
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Not maxing Hawkins.
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| 70 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 16:53
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Gracias. I am offering him a scholarship then.
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| 71 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 17:57
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Frances Riney conf 12
Ended up going for too many studs. Couldn't find any sleepers that I liked or someone else isn't already on. Oh well, if I don't win any ties I can at least get some good use out of the NA spots.
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| 72 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 18:00
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Owen Dahlem conf 2
Don't think I mentioned him yet.
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| 73 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 18:07
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I'm on Hardison. I took off the guy in conf 4 to add him. The rest are in conf 19.
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| 74 | KM
ID: 4882237
Fri, Jun 28, 2002, 20:54
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Portland is maxing:
Braxton Morton conf 29, who we shall surely strip from San Jose
Shea Bryan conf 29
Rico Sellers conf 13
Edward Paul conf 17
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| 75 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 04:13
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WTF, 3 of my maxes in the top 10. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dahlem(Mr. #1) is bad, he's in conf only reason why I maxed him. Riney is nowhere near the skill as Leffler, yet he is ranked higher. Ah well, the joys of recruiting.
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| 76 | kev
ID: 11438306
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 04:53
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Noah Allgeier is ranked 49th. I will take that on a guy with his att's and stats with EXC scouting.
Not a player from Conf 31 is on the top 75. I will take that, as my other 3 maxes are all in conf.
And my team won.
A good night!
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| 77 | VID
ID: 6249266
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 09:06
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3 of 4 in the top 75. Expected one-maybe two of them, kind of surprised about Bogard.
No worries since I'll win at least two ties:)
Is it my imagination or does League 4 seem to be getting better with recruiting?
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| 78 | KM
ID: 4882237
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 13:20
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I've definitely noticed that over the seasons, these phenomenal stats with not-so-hot ratings guys seem to consistently be higher on the list than EXC scouts with nice ratings. We all expect everyone else to go after the obvious studs, while we shoot for those potential studs, where you have to look past their initial ratings. The only guy I recruited that has poor ratings with studly stats is number 34 on the list, ahead of lots of other guys averaging over 20 PPG with E or G+ shooting with G defense too, AND this #34 guy turns the ball over more easily than Chris Webber in an NCAA game.
So I'm generally happy, 3 guys not on the list. I think for next season's recruiting I'll just study where the well scouted, goot ratings, good stats guys aren't being heavily recruited and hope to win those 3/3 ties KNOWING that if I even do get the guy that he'll be good.
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| 79 | G Dogg
ID: 13631420
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 17:40
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Only 1 on the list. Terry Goodwin from 8. Not bad and not unexpected since he's in conf.
I feel very good about this season, in terms of recruiting. 3 maxes not on the list and almost all of my "sleepers" aren't on the list, either.
Couple that with the fact that my team is playing some decent ball and I can't complain.
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| 80 | kev
ID: 11438306
Sat, Jun 29, 2002, 17:52
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This was my 4th time recruiting (twice in lg 12, once in lg5, and now this), and really, you learn quickly. I screwed my lg12 team by just going for studs the first time around, and only landing one, and getting a walkon.
When I recruited for lg 5, I had 2 guys I was on all by myself. They had horrible attributes, but alright stats. One of the players, ended up being a +4, and will be starting for me...
With my 3 guys maxed not in the top 75 all being in conference, Im hoping this recruiting class goes just as well. Im getting a better eye for recruits.
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| 81 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 16:17
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6 on Keeling again this week, bmd? Man, he just keeps looking better and better. I'd love to have him, but I'm pretty sure he's all yours.
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| 82 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 13539209
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 16:29
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My question is-is it guesswork or something I don't see?
Just got my recruits in League 6. One guy I was alone on 6-10, avg. 15+ points, 7+ rebounds, 1+ asts, almost 1 steal and half a turnover a game. His attributes were average and the scout was either poor or fair. With these stats, plus good intelligence I though he may be a plus 4. He came in at plus 1. Poor shooting, poor hands, exc intelligence and good athlete.
So what is it that I am not picking up?
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| 83 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 17:23
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Real quick...the E int negated his poor hands and lowered the TO's. PPG, as I'm sure you know (especially now), are impossible to decipher. The G ath helps his F reb. and also his F def. Because of his athleticism, I'd guess he was able to score many of those 15 PPG on easy putbacks.
I'm surprised by the P shooting as I've never seen someone score so much with that, but I'd guess he's close to being an F shooter. I think he'll still be a solid contributer because of his height, int and ath.
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| 84 | kev
ID: 11438306
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 17:32
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I have picked that up to (what GDogg said)
I have a player who is a Exc Def, with Exc Ath, but only a fair rebounder, but he pulls down 6 to 7 boards a game, just for the fact his defense causes bad shots, and his athleticism helps.
That is the one thing with the attributes- some help others.
Like when Im looking for a PG, I look for Int first, then I hope to find a guy with good hands, that could turn into an Exc.
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| 85 | VID
ID: 6249266
Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 18:30
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Thanks guys. Those are pretty significant differences.
He was 174/380 in shooting. Seems to me to be a fair shooter at least.
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| 86 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 14:55
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G, do you need any safeties in lg 1? If so check out Fenton and Hugo from my hometown.
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| 87 | Spyce
ID: 81144414
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 15:13
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This is my first time around recruiting so i wanted to ask a few questions to get a feel for how to proceed after seeing the Most Rec'd:
1. What do you know about a player if he doesn't appear in the Top 75? Could he still be maxed by 3 coaches? 6 coaches? 15 coaches?
2. Generally, if a player is 10th most rec'd after week 1, where will he be by the end of the year? do top 10 guys generally end up in 3-way ties or more like 12-way ties? What if the player is ranked 60th?
3. To what extent does the Top 75 change over the course of the season?
RSF - i used the 'AtAGlance' with the manual update and worked fine
Beezer - unless i am mistaken Collier didn't hit the top 75 - we could have an inteesting run-off (of course i'm so new to this i have no idea what not making the top 75 really means ;-)
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| 88 | kev
ID: 11438306
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 16:07
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Spyce
After week 3, you have your W3W12's come out, and the top 75 basically dont matter. The W3W12's will tell you
A)How many people are within 3 or 12 RPE's with you
B)How many people your tied with
C)If your trailing, what the highest RPE is on the guy.
If a guy is top 10, Im guessing anywhere froma 6/6 or 7/7 to a 12/12
From what I gather from my other recruiting if they are in the lower half of the top 75, chances are your looking at a 3/3 or 2/2
Not top 75? Probably a 1/1 or a wide open, but you could still get a 2/2.
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| 89 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 17:18
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I do and I really like both, especially Fenton. How many RPE do you have on them? Thanks, bmd!
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| 90 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 23520518
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 17:31
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Spyce - I too was shocked not to see Collier on there. I'm expecting either 2/2 or 3/3 on him, which is a lot better than I expected.
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| 91 | Strike One
ID: 356372421
Tue, Jul 02, 2002, 19:47
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Also, if you are trailing, W3/W12 tells you how many people are ahead of you on a recruit.
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| 92 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 49618222
Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 01:00
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91 StrikeOne That's good info.
To add to the "StrikeOne" file, if you have no points on or scholarships granted to a recruit at the top of the most highly recruited list, you are unlikely to get him.
Toral
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| 93 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 01:33
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G, 41 RPE, had 32 on both last week and both were W3-0 and W3-0
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| 94 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 14:03
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Put another 9 on Fenton and 6 on Hugo. Still got that carryover visit I'm never going to use.
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| 95 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Fri, Jul 05, 2002, 18:09
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BMD, I gotta ask. Are you getting another #1 class here, without having backups? Damn you're good.
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| 96 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 17:13
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SWEET, interleague scrimmages are available. I've always wanted my teams to play each other.
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| 97 | Matt G
ID: 37722615
Sun, Jul 07, 2002, 21:48
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hey guys, sorry ive been shady, trying to find a job is tough work. But anyhow, here's my story. I have 2 teams most of you know, one is in the talent lite Lg 7 I'm in Conf 15. I ended up 17-7 and lost in the finals of the PTT. I also swept the Major awards, the same player got Player and Frosh of the year. This year looks promising. Needless to say I have a great team, I lost two starters who were only starting cause they were seniors and overachieving all their careers but I had 2 Sophomores waiting to jump in. I'm also in lg 4, Conf 10. I got points on guys just in time to get the bonus 15. I got one of my maxes from last year, i was looking for height and i got it OOC in Jackson Nix. I have a great starting 5 but lack depth, all of my Starters are UnderClassmen except my PG who gets 4.5 Ast and 11pts a game, so I'm looking for PG's or some more height, i think with the good shooters i have, passing may be a downfall this year. I think I'm a class or maybe 2 from having an awesome team. Here is who im after
Stanton 4
Head 7
Massey 10
Vertrees 10
then one guy getting 9
Cummings 10
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| 98 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:00
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Atta boy... go after Conf 4 like a wild dog.
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| 99 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:13
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Flying Polack, I'm in league 14 and plan on joing league 4 next
season, but thought I'd let you know that I'm giving your recruiting
advice a go. My last recruiting class was a bust and I thought that
your strategy sounded good. Just an FYI.
RSF, is there any way that I can make your program work for a different league?
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| 100 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 16:33
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balls, just put the correct "Recruiting" URL in the setup page. I use it for Lg 23 also.
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| 101 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Mon, Jul 08, 2002, 17:50
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thanks RSF, you still da man!
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| 102 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Wed, Jul 10, 2002, 12:18
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Wow! I just noticed my first attribute change. A 6-10 Jr with Poor Shooting skills is now Fair. Sweet! I have only been practicing "Mid-Range Shooting" this season for about 3 weeks (I did strictly defense last year). While I doubt the overall shooting skills will be that different, it is nice to see a +5 player on my team.
Also, I may have been too quick to judge my -1 walk-on Guard. My stud Jr SG got hurt so I decided to see what the walk-on could do. In two games, he went 17 for 34. Not too shabby.
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| 103 | VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Thu, Jul 11, 2002, 12:30
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I have too many teams and I'm getting rid of Houston in League 18. League 18 is not what everyone has made it out to be, so I will hold onto my teams in Leagues 4 and 6.
Houston's in good shape. It has what I call the Fab 3-right now at SG, SF and PF. It has some versatility and I have leads on some adequate players for next year. It is also signed up for the Bran Muffin tournament.
Anyone want it? Thought I would post here before I posted on the simsports message boards.
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| 104 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:16
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Did you guys have your teams play each other? I had Reading square off with Gainesville. Reading beat the crap out of Gainesville. The Rabid Chipmunks shot over 60% from the field. I think the DoggyDoggs might be way overrated.
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| 105 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:25
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Yeah, got weird results. Youngstown(lg 1) faced Providence(lg 4) expected it to be close with Providence winning by 7-10 points, well Youngstown ended up winning by 2. Did a rematch on Wednesday with a similar score but Providence won by 3. Also scrimmaged Youngstown vs Pensacola(lg 2) thought Youngstown would beat them soundly, of course I was wrong and Pensacola won. Not exactly sure how to process these results.
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| 106 | G Dogg
ID: 539522315
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:32
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How many points are you putting on Fenton and Hugo? 6 on Keeling again? I think with two of us on Keeling, everyone has been frightened away.
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| 107 | beastiemiked
ID: 5153373
Fri, Jul 12, 2002, 17:37
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I think 9 on Fenton and 6 on Hugo.
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| 108 | Flying Polack
ID: 33771811
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 10:15
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Balls (Post 99)- Have you tried a whole season using my strategy? This past season was my 3rd using it, and also the most successful. I ended up with 5 0/0 leads, plus 2 max ties. I ended up not using priority points, and I got a +13 class. I was very happy, and would recommend that recruiting strategy to everyone.
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| 109 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 473133021
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 12:16
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Polack... I stick to that religiously, and I haven't gotten more than one walkon since starting it. I've even managed a couple ranked classes.
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| 110 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 42121814
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 12:39
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Hot damn! I WON A TIE! I am now 1 for 8 on Max ties.
Using the "Polack System", I was able to grab a top ranked class. 2 were hometown maxes (0/0s) and third was a late hometown player, one I wouldn't have gotten if not for this system.
On the Clemson Rodans in Conf 23 (where I finally won a max tie), I got a pretty decent class (1 Hometown Stud, a good hands PG, and a walkon [who actually looks decent]). I think I did too much OOC recruiting with this class, but it was fun finding the "diamonds in the rough".
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| 111 | balls
Donor
ID: 193311316
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 13:04
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I just finished my first season using the Polack System with great results. I got a +12 class and ranked 6th in one publication. I'm very happy using that system. At one point I had 4 max ties, but then I dropped off one guy to pursue two others. I ended up getting one of my max ties(4/4) and those two other guys. One guy that I got was a wlkon though. I gave him 70 RPE but did not have any scholarships to offer and he still chose my school. I'll be sure not to get caught without any scholarships again. I like the system. I think it keeps your chances of landing walkons very low. And like RSF said it's fun finding the "diamonds in the rough".
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| 112 | kev
ID: 11438306
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 16:37
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This will be my first year trying Pollack's recruiting. Last year, my recruiting was good, but lucky also. We will see how this works.
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| 113 | Jgunnip
ID: 356372421
Tue, Aug 27, 2002, 18:48
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pollack's "system" is what most coaches use, with the occasional exception of maybe maxing just 3 instead of four.
I've done that since my first season (7 seasons ago), and over my eight teams, i've brought in 13 consecuative class of +9 or better.
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