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Subject: RIBC - Draft discussion thread #1

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 12:43
This thread will be for discussion of the RIBC draft. Actual picks should be entered in the draft thread. A roster grid will be updated regularly.

The draft formally begins on Monday, March 1, but early picks are allowed. We will use a 6 hour clock, with a clock moratorium from 1am to 7am EST. Any skipped pick may be made up at the earliest opportunity. Managers are encouraged to make alternate arrangements when they might be unavailable to pick directly.

If sufficient progress is made during weekdays, we might relax the clock rules during the weekend. Decisions on this will be announced each Friday.

For those who might be unfamiliar with the league rules, refer to the predraft thread. In particular, post 62 provides a recap of the Yahoo league settings page.

The draft will continue for 25 rounds. Players who are unlisted in the Yahoo system may be drafted. If an unlisted player is drafted, that team must preserve an empty roster spot until the player is made available in Yahoo. Failure to do so will result in the loss of rights to that player.

After two rounds are completed, a separate draft rationale thread will be initiated. In that thread, each manager will provide a brief rationale for each pick, with about a 2 round lag.

If managers make alternate arrangements for upcoming picks (queues, etc.), notification should be made here.

This is a general draft discussion thread, and is not restricted to comments from league managers. However, managers and outsiders are requested not to discuss specific players who are as yet undrafted. Please restrict draft discussions to concepts, strategies, and already drafted players.
 
1penngray
      ID: 51382817
      Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 18:40 		Will there be a qualifying league? I would be interested in joining.
thanks
 
2J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 18:45 		http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/mb/base/16243.shtml?1078008093
 
3 Tavo
      ID: 35117271
      Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 19:05 		That league is full though. If there is a second qualifying leauge I would like to join in as well.
 
4J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 21:51 		damn hen, whats the hold up? Its Saturday night, we all know you're sitting at home...lets go!!!

;)
 
5Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 15:42 		hen gets his first date in 3 years while he is up in the draft......what a schmuck.
 
6blue hen
      ID: 4300290
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 00:08 		I was actually in San Francisco trying to track down Species. That didn't happen, but I just got back now.
 
7Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 00:32 		doh! Forgot that was this weekend! lol

I'll be in roughly 745am-ish Pacific Time tomorrow if it gets to me.
 
8Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 00:36 		I'm wondering if smartone or J was interested in trading. My 1st and 2nd for yours. I can consider some other round swap (an even numbered one obviously where I pick a few spots ahead of you) to sweeten the pot.

The offer is contingent on the player I want being there.
 
9 smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 08:12 		Species, shoot me an email with your AOL/Yahoo Messenger screen name and let's see if we can pull a draft-trade
 
10 J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 08:49 		Species, send me an email too...
 
11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 10:55 		I'm a little surprised that Bonds wasn't drafted until #8, especially with OBP as a category (where he has no peer).

 
12Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 10:58 		He's pretty peerless in the SLG department, too.
 
13Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:02 		Agreed, although Helton and Pujols can challenge him there - especially since they're likely to get more AB (and therefore can influence the category more, even if they have a slightly lower raw average).
 
14smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:02 		may i post my comment now, or should I wait 2 more rounds?
 
15blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:13 		I almost took Bonds over Prior. Actually, I was going to try to trade my pick but didn't. The total PA number being so low was what held me back...
 
17Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:17 		smartone - you can say whatever you want here, as long as you avoid mentioning players who are not yet drafted.

I won't be starting the rationale thread until we've completed 2 rounds, but you can always say something now and then cut and paste when the time comes. Up to you.
 
18Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:18 		Email sent, smartone.
 
19J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:20 		ughhhh, I really dont like picking right here!!! I was hoping for Bonds! Then I was hoping I could trade with Species! Oh well...
 
20Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:25 		Among other drafting tools, I develop custonmized rankings based on various stats projections for the year. Using the RotoTimes and RotoWorld projections, I get Bonds ranked #1 for this scoring format. Using RotoWire projections, he ranks a close 2nd to Helton.

I think that the use of slugging pct and OBP both enhance Bonds' value vs. the standard categories of HR and BA. Even with limited plate appearances, his positive influence on OBP seems to be at least double everyone elses except for Helton, and he's 50% better than Helton.

I'm not saying that this alone makes him an obvious pick ahead of any of the other top 8 - but it's certainly a consideration.
 
21Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:31 		How did you come to that ranking at Rotowire, Guru?

Using the dollar value projections feature with our league's peramater (I forget exactly where I set the percentages spent on hitting vs pitching), I have Beltran listed first, followed by Arod, Pujols and Helton. Including pitchers, Bonds is ranked 8th in dollar value.
 
22StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:33 		To me Bonds is not a sure #1 because of other factors, namely injuries. If he truly was not on steroids, then maybe it isn't a problem. My thinking is that his back will act up again this year affecting his playing time and batting. This is at least what I feel happened to Big Mac. He went off of Andro and his body fell to pieces. Just one of those intangibles that may or may not having any bearing on reality.
 
23smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:34 		my major concern about Bonds was the steroids, however, all my other options were "steroid-happy" hitters, so if EFFECTIVE tests happen - it is likely that they will all be busted... therefore, it was a rather easy decision to pick the guy ranked #2 in my pre-draft ranks (including the "discounting" of his declining SLG% and assuming a rather low number of ABs)
 
24Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:35 		I'm using RotoWire's raw stats, not their dollar values. Dollar values are based on their ranking model as well as their stats. I guess my ranking model is a bit different.
 
25Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:36 		I customized my rankings in a manner similar to Guru. In the resulted rankings I had Pujols #1 but he was followed closely by Bonds and then Helton.
 
26Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:37 		smartone - was the email addy you put above accessible at work? Do you have any interest in a draft-and-trade?
 
27Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:41 		For the record, the RotoWire dollar values (for hitters only) have this list for the top 5 (based on my attempt to replicate our league parameters):
Beltran-ARod-Pujols-Helton-Bonds

Using the same statistical projections and my model, the top 5 hitters would be:
Helton-Bonds-Pujols-Beltran-ARod

Further, those 5 hitters all rank pretty tightly together. Then there is a significant dropoff in value for the 6th rated hitter.
 
28Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:47 		I had ideas of who would be gone already. With the fences moved back in KC, I thought there would be an outside chance that Beltran would have still been there for me at 12. But he went #6, so I guess that wasn't realistic afterall.
 
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:51 		Although jumpball cannot access the RotoGuru site directly from work, I did set up a backdoor method for him to be able to read the draft and discussion threads. Hopefully, it will work for him, so that he can check in at lunchtime and then send his draft choice to someone via email.
 
30smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:52 		for the record, my statistical model for the top-6 hitters is ARod - Bonds (very very close), Helton-Pujols and Vlad-Soriano
 
31Caper
      Donor
      ID: 1535108
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:56 		I took Beltran. He was high in my rankings and is better protected in the line-up this year than last. It is a contact/free-agency year and he is healthy to start. I had some greater concerns with the health-risk of the other options I was considering and felt Beltran was the best risk/reward for me.
 
32KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:57 		I also used (and tweaked) Rotowire's stats and had the following 1-5:

Beltran-ARod-Pujols-Bonds-Helton

As with most others' rankings, they were a fairly tight bunch. I think if you were able to get any of those 5, you did pretty well (at least as far as hitting goes). Beltran basically made the top of my list because of the SB factor. Truly the only complete 5-category player out of the 5.

 
33 Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:19 		Okay, let's try the other direction......I'm interested in trading down. My first two rounds picks for your first two. Anyone interested?
 
34Tosh
      Sustainer
      ID: 57721710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:34 		I certainly didn't have Soriano listed as #3 in my listings (almost took Beltran), but decided to hope for the 40-40.
 
35Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:41 		Species - I'm not interested in swapping draft picks with you.

;-P
 
36Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 30792616
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:41 		hmmm. Shouldn't this thread be in the Baseball Standings Forum?

;)
 
37Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:42 		Soriano definitely hurt by the OBP designation, but 2b eligible and 40-40 possibility is pretty studly.

After waffling, I took Schilling. Thanks jumpball for making my choice easier by taking Pedro off the board.....lol.
 
38Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:45 		Yeah throw some weight around, moderator!
 
39Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:46 		PD[36] - Nope. I got speical permission from the proprietor to post here. Apparently this league has interest outside of its own members.

jumpball/species - I was starting to hold out hope that Pedro would slip to me - although I should have known better.
 
40Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 30792616
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:47 		OK, Guru, as long as you got permission. That's all I'm about anyway.

:0
 
41jumpball
      ID: 371302613
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:49 		Guru,

This is a test to verify that I can post through the backdoor to this thread.
Thanks for setting up the back door. I wouldn't ahve been able to get online until about 10:00 tonight otherwise. You guys might have been in the 5th or 6th round by then! :-)

jb
 
42the_abbott
      Sustainer
      ID: 44010135
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:54 		I hope that this story does not get blue hen worrying too much: Mark Prior reported injured - 5 to 10 days
 
43Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:15 		Well, I'm back to the drawing board now...I'll have my pick in a few...
 
44Peter N.
      Donor
      ID: 257161713
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:19 		I gave Bonds a serious look, but in the end, I just couldn't pass up on Vladdy.
 
45Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:23 		Glad to know that all 3 men I considered, as I was waiting for jumpball, have all gone in the last 3 picks.....lol. At least I'm not crazy. Hard choice between Schilling and Ramirez....and of course it made my stomach turn that I was choosing a member of the Red Sox! Ugh.
 
46Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:29 		3 Red Sox picks in a row.
 
47Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:33 		4 out of 5 Red Sox players now. Still in the first round.
 
48Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:43 		If this was BA and not OBP I would've likely taken Garciaparra. OBP hurts his value, IMO. Not a bad pick by any stretch, but interesting at this point.
 
49Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:20 		I wondered if Randy would go in the first round. Obviously a pick with immense upside, and significant risk.
 
50Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 48927711
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:35 		I think a lot of us got burned on RJ last year. Similar situation this year with Bonds - older player, increased susceptibility to injury - is probably what caused his drop.

I know I didn't want to have a 'wasted' first overall pick for two consecutive years...
 
51Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:00 		I wouldn't have taken him so high. I felt there were other pitchers that had more upside, but I really like RJ all the same and all indications show he has recovered from his knee surgery.
 
52Tavo
      ID: 35117271
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:21 		Anybody else surprised by Bobby Abreu being taken before Gary Sheffield? I think Sheff is the superior player but could be just me.
 
53Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:25 		Guru took my pick. Have several backups, but like thome the best.
 
54KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:31 		Look at the last couple of years and Sheff and Abreu are very similar in the categories we're using. Given that, I'll take the younger player and the guy who hasn't had less than 572 AB in the last 3 years.

Sheff was on my radar, but I liked the upside potential of Abreu better. I don't see Sheff having much more upside than what he already has shown.

 
55Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:36 		Ref - my choice came down to Thome vs. Delgado.
 
56Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:39 		Agree w/KKB. What Abreu has gives up to Sheff in OBP and SLG stats and a move to the Yankees lineup, he makes up in SB, youth and the fact that he isn't changing leagues.
 
57KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:52 		Don't forget that Abreu is also likely to steal more bases than Sheff. Possibly as much as two to three times the SB of Sheff.
 
58Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:54 		I can tell this draft is NOT going to be easy. There is no such thing as a sleeper.

Guru AND Ref screwed me. I thought I would get one of Thome or Delgado. Grrrrrrrr.
 
59Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:56 		Here's hoping the lofty dimensions in Right-Center in Petco Park don't kill Giles' SLG%.
 
60Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:02 		Species - Giles was the other guy I was considering.
 
61GolfFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 1730209
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:06 		Who won last year?
Or better yet what was the standing?
 
62Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:17 		Species, Giles was a nice ballsy pick. #2 highest rated player on my board at the time, but thought he could actually squeak back to me.

Abreu better than Sheff? I couldn't make this argument if I had to.
 
63blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:18 		How do we post our reasoning?
 
64GolfFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 1730209
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:22 		Will Sheff not run as much in NY?
He had 18 last year.

B. Abreu had 22.
 
65Tavo
      ID: 35117271
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:30 		Sheff had 27 more runs, 31 more rbi, and 19 more Homers! Singles, doubles, and triples were about a wash, and he had just 4 less SB than Abreu. Abreu had a couple more BBs than Sheff, but Sheff had a higher batting avg, and Abreu struck out more than double the times of Sheffield. I know Abreu is really good player, but better than Sheffield? No way
 
66Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:31 		Sheffield has 40 sb over the last 3 years. Abreu has 89.
 
67Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:38 		Tavo, HR and BA are not categories in this league. In Runs + RBI over the last 3 years, Sheff nudges out Abreu 624 to 615. He beats Abreu in average OBP stats over the last 3 years .413 to .405 - pretty close. He beats Abreu in average SLG stats over the last 3 .56633 to .51066. That's significant enough, but the difference in steals and age combined with Sheff's move to a new league have me leaning toward Abreu for the purposes of this league.
 
68Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:40 		Note to the league, I'm leaving work now and will be home and on line in about an hour, depending on the commute.
 
69KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:46 		If we were using last year's stats, your arguments would be valid. However, as I mentioned in #54, I'm looking for upside. Sheff has no upside. Last year was about as good as he's going to get nowadays. However, Abreu still has upside. His stats have declined the last couple of years, but I'm expecting that to turn around. And if he has a year like he did in 2001, then you get the following comparison:

Sheff (2003): 126 R, 132 RBI, 18 SB, .604 SLG, .419 OBP

Abreu (2001): 118 R, 110 RBI, 36 SB, .543 SLG, .403 OBP

Again, I just don't see Sheff repeating, nor getting better, than he did in 2003. However, I do see Abreu having the potential, despite the last 2 season, to get better than his 2001 season.

And I also factored AB into the equation. Sheff has had 1 year since, well, forever, with more than 560 AB (any surprise that it was last year?). Starting with 2000, Abreu has never been under 572 AB. In other words, I don't see Sheff repeating last year because the chances of him getting that many AB's again are slim to none. Meanwhile, Abreu will likely be around 570 AB's and has far more potential to do better than previous years.

 
70Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:50 		Guru and Trip - #60 and 62 - that's reassuring. After the 1b got snapped up I waffled quite a bit. I went to the 3-year averages and saw how solid Giles' OBP and SLG have been compared to some projections and couldn't ignore his strengths there. Petco or no Petco, his OBP isn't likely to falter, and maybe he'll leg out some triples to replace a few lost HR's.
 
71Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 16:53 		GolfFreak - This is the inaugural RIBC.

blue hen - Rationale posting won't begin until 2 rounds have been completed. Then they are posted, naturally, in draft pick order. I'm sure Guru will notify and post a link when ready.
 
72Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 17:54 		jumpball......the human 4-corners......the human timeout (insert draft-slowing slug joke here)

;-)

Just messin' with ya jumpball....but get your butt home already!
 
73blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 18:14 		Count me in on the Giles bandwagon. My pick for NL MVP actually. Was hoping to get him.
 
74GolfFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 1730209
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 18:57 		Species
Thanks. I though I remember last year a Group of the Big Boys. Doing a Draft and Rationale posting.
Maybe it was Basketball.

blue hen
True to form. You said you would take Prior
in the top 5.
 
75rockfish
      Donor
      ID: 43105722
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:12 		sorry for the butt,Giles is a reach. What were his problems last year? wrong thread! Could not help myself.
 
76Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:19 		I had Giles even with two others as the next best available OFs at the time he was taken.
 
77Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:22 		Magglio comes off the board.....it was between he and Giles for me. While Magglio is likely to have 10-15 or so more RBI, runs will probably be even and Magglio might have a few more steals, but over the past three years Giles has an average OBP of .427 to Magglio's .381 and SLG of .576 to Magglio's .558. The OBP is very significant and the SLG was helpful as well to offset the likely loss of RBI.
 
78Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:23 		Moving the fences in should bring that OBP back up nicely.
 
79Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:23 		I mean SLG%.
 
80Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:50 		Note to the league:

I'll be at home all night but at times will have to check the draft periodicly. If anyone wants alert me when it is my turn with an AIM message, I'll pick right away.

My AIM name is Kinlanj
 
81Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 21:15 		Shucks.

Nice pick, Caper. Vazquez was my top choice since Delgado was taken. I figured he was a longshot but when the two shortstops went I thought I had a glimmer of hope.
 
82Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 21:27 		Wow. Not that I expected a SS to come back to me, I'm surprised how high Renteria went. I considered him with my pick, but felt weird having my first guy not really being a masher.
 
83 smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 22:16 		i may need help tomorrow... the Internet connection in my company was disconnected and we had no connection to the world since 1:30PM. IT blame it on AT&T, but who cares, it's DRAFT TIME... When my next turn to draft comes up, if you don't see a post from me (either here that I am "thinking", or a draft pick) - I was wondering if someone could kindly call me at the office (I am at area code 914) and update me about the previous picks, and I'll get back to him over the phone a couple of minutes later with my decision.
 
84jumpball
      ID: 198192210
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 22:45 		Species -- i think blue hen is learning the 4 corners too ;-)
 
85Trip
      ID: 2210302613
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 22:45 		Good job everybody! I appreciate the pace of the draft so far. I will be unavailable from 7-1 ET tomorrow. It doesn't look like it will be an issue, but from the turnout today I expect to be up again about 1 PM ET tomorrow. This would mean I would have to leave a queue of about 20 players. I don't feel comfortable leaving a queue of that many players this early in the draft. I doubt it will be an issue.
Darkside/KKB- I wouldn't expect a pick from me until 1 PM ET tomorrow. I will shoot you guys an e-mail if I anticipate picking earlier.
 
86KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 22:47 		Trip, no need for an email for me. I'll be checking in often enough as it is.
 
87smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:28 		Guru, thanks! (re #83)
 
88Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:42 		I'll be up another 30 min or so. AIM is turned off.
 
89Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 52347519
      Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:47 		if bmd picks in the next 20 minutes or so, I'll make mine, if not I'll do it in the morning.
 
90Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:00 		If BMD still has the same screen name that he did last time I was in a draft with him, he's not online. Im going to bed.
 
91Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:01 		Slackjawed.....what about leaving a queue with someone? Or are you East Coast and up early?
 
92J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:11 		bmd doesn't always sign on AIM when he's online, so he might make a pick without making an AIM appearance.
 
93beastiemiked
      ID: 6117323
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:14 		I'm back from the gym and will pick asap. ETA of 15 minutes.
 
94Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:27 		Hang in there Slackjawed! We can make the turn tonight!
 
95Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 52347519
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:36 		yeah, i stayed up after seeing bmd's post. I'll pick in a couple of minutes. was hoping to get rolen... really surprised he came so close.
 
96beastiemiked
      ID: 6117323
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 01:10 		Feel free to move this once the other thread is up and running.

Draft rationale for pick 1.2 Albert Pujols:

Not much to rationalize here. He's been easily a top notch fantasy star the past 3 years. No reason to expect injury(knock on wood) nor a downturn in production. The clincher for him over guys like Helton and Bonds is his position eligibility. With our benches being so short having versatility is always a big plus.
 
97 beastiemiked
      ID: 6117323
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 01:11 		I'll be around all day tomorrow so if anyone needs to leave me a queue feel free to send me one.
 
98Tosh
      Sustainer
      ID: 57721710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 02:53 		Sorry I missed the back turn, but had to play a little baseball on the XBox. Life isn't all about OBP, SLG% and spreadsheets, but also consists of being able to coordinate the left thumbpad, right buttons, and both trigger fingers. :)
 
99Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:05 		I set up the rationale thread. Please post when you make your draft pick. If you are not ready to post your rationale at that time, then simply post a placeholder so that I can splice it in later.

I created placeholders for picks 1-5 already, so Caper, please pick it up from there.
 
100Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:06 		I found it funny that Slackjaw put [placeholder] for his ARod pick. Unless that was his rationale, meaning he figures he needs a shortstop and just randomly picked him. Otherwise the perfect comment would probably be "who else would you consider?".
 
101Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:07 		ah, that explains the placeholder then. :)
 
102Caper
      Donor
      ID: 1535108
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:11 		OT. How do I turn off the bold after using it, in the same post? In the rational thread I did not want the explanation in bold but {b\},with the <> of course, did not shut down the bold.
 
103Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:16 		Caper- in your post you used the \ symbol. use the / symbol instead and it will work.
 
104smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:22 		=== I am online ====

Guru, just to be on the safe side, could you please give me a call just in case I don't make a pick an hour or so after PeterN picks, thanks!
 
105J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:30 		and the / needs to be before the b
 
106Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 10:35 		I just sent an email to jumpball to let him know he's up. Hopefully, he's able to stay in touch today.
 
107the_abbott
      Sustainer
      ID: 44010135
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 10:36 		Thanks Farn & J.

I had always wondered how to get the text bold, and now I know. I have got to brush up on my HTML coding!
No, in truth I have not got any, my software does it for me.

I know it is off thread but a few more tips like that would be appreciated. How about starting with this placeholder secret?

Respectfully
the_abbott
 
108blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 11:06 		Here's my comment on Giambi for when we get there...

Haha suckers! I couldn't believe Jason Giambi was still available 28 picks into the draft. He's clearly one of the best hitters in baseball, and the OPS format we're using pushes him even higher. Not only that, but now he's got Gary Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez to support him, and a Yankee lineup that should score a million runs. After taking a pitcher with the first pick, I have no problem whatsoever with Giambi as my cornerstone hitter.
 
109Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 48927711
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 11:25 		well, that's what makes you a future champion
 
110Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 11:52 		Wow. After two rounds of debating between players I wasn't crazy over, I would be thrilled to have any one of 3 different players in this round.
 
111 the_abbott
      Sustainer
      ID: 44010135
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 12:57 		OK, OK. I am still off thread - sorry.
I am having to work hard with this!

I found out how to do the placement
[placeholder]

I need somebody to enlighten me with regards to how text is then placed into this placeholder. (It obviously has something to do with your ID number but there is also obviously, but not to me, a way of coding this)

Someone give me a clue?

the_abbott
 
112Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 12:59 		A moderator needs to do that.
 
113the_abbott
      Sustainer
      ID: 44010135
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:10 		Whoops! Sorry.......
 
114Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:15 		Sorry guys. Bad timing of a meeting.

I figured I was required to have every Giles on my team. Wasn't that in the by-laws of the league?
 
115Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:55 		Giles was on my short list, Species.

I actually thought you'd go local with Chavez.
 
116Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:59 		Giles doesn't even have to duplicate the OBP of his breakout year to be a heck of a lot closer to Boone and Kent than people give him credit for. And if he does duplicate last year, I'm thrilled. Conceivably there is cause for improvement, although I worry about the lost production of Sheff and Javy affecting him.
 
117the_abbott
      Sustainer
      ID: 44010135
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:17 		Species

If Giles hits like he did last season then his OBP should not decline if he bats in the same position (# 2) the only difference with Sheffield & Lopez not being there will possibly be the amount of runs he scores.

Am I missing something?
 
118Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:20 		He might not get the same pitches to hit that he did last year.
 
119Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:29 		I had 4 hitters on my short list: Giles, Chavez, Wells, and xxx. I'll bet darkside takes xxx.
 
120Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:30 		He didn't - but then, I wasn't interested in another first baseman at this point.
 
121darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:33 		Woulda served you right if I had since you took my Chavez pick!

Maybe I can get it right after KKB goes ;)
 
122Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:56 		I have decided to only draft players from the AL bEast.
 
123Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:01 		Hmmm... xxx is still there, as is a pitcher that I thought would disappear.

I'll decide soon.
 
124KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:03 		Sorry Guru, but Vin Diesel is probably never going to be available for this league.
 
125Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:26 		Actually he is available sinc ethey don't have to be in the Yahoo database. KKB what did we tell you about mentioning players still available!?!?! :)
 
126darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:37 		I was thinking hard about Wilson, Guru, but could only suffer so many question marks in my first few picks and I already had RJ and Schmidt. I think Wilson will prove to be a steal.
 
127blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:37 		Yeah, remember how I tried to use Tim Brown as a keeper in my WWE league?
 
129Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 16:13 		Oswalt is the pitcher that I was surprised to see available this late. I almost picked him instead of Wilson, but decided to stick with the plan.
 
130J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 16:27 		warning - Jimy Williams is a fantasy baseball nightmare!!!! ;)
 
131Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 16:32 		I almost took Oswalt with my last pick, can't believe he was still there for me.
 
132Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 16:33 		Reminder - when you make your pick, please post your rationale from 2 rounds earlier. If you aren't ready at that time, or if you can't do so without commenting on an undrafted player, then simply post a placeholder. This is the simplest way to keep the rationales progressing on track.

Also, if it's your turn to post a rationale and the rationale thread is running behind (becuase someone else failed to follow through), feel free to create placeholders for the intervening picks.
 
133Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 18:45 		I cannot freaking believe Oswalt nearly made it back to me. Ref, any chance you wanna trade? Geeeeeeeeeeez. I too nearly took him last round. Crap I would've jumped on him like Michael Jackson at a Barney Show.
 
134smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 18:57 		J, jumball.... there are 2 players on my short list, pliiiiiz dont pick both of them, since I am not so happy with my #4 & 5
 
135Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 18:58 		I'm always up for a good trade.
 
136Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 18:59 		btw, species, you're up in the draft rationale thread.
 
137jumpball
      ID: 198192210
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:02 		smartone -- you want to propse a trade?
 
138Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:04 		It's funny, in Round 3 I wrote in this thread that I was happy with any of three players at that pick, and they were Giles, Jeter and Oswalt. I got 2 of them and all 3 nearly made it to me.

Ref - I wasn't sure you were around so I went ahead and made my pick. Jeter will be okay for me, but man Oswalt would've been sweet.
 
139smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:05 		jumpball, a simple trade would work (your next 2 trades for my next 2 trades) - if not, it's OK, we can leave it
 
140jumpball
      ID: 198192210
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:13 		i'd need some incentive smartone, and i'm not sure that just switching spots in round 7 so I can move up 2 spots would be enough.

I'll make my pick in 5 or 10 minutes unless you want to do a deal that helps me a tad. :-)
 
141smartone
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:19 		i'll pass, thanks
 
142Peter N.
      Donor
      ID: 257161713
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:39 		FYI to the league. I'm going to get a bite to eat, but will check back in about an hour.
 
143Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:49 		jumpball - you have some draft rationales to write. :) Mr. 4-corners.
 
144Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 20:02 		See post 80
 
145smallwhirled
      ID: 471461310
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 20:48 		For some reason, I just have the feeling Schilling will be better than those goals that Specias put in the rationales thread. Could be an awesome pick, IMHO.
 
146Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 22:52 		Its my bedtime. Would anyone who has already picked in round 4 like to take my queue?
 
148Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 23:06 		Queue sent to Species. 2 names, top one is my first choice. If the draft swings around quickly and the second player is still available, you can go ahead and post him as my 5th rounder.

Thanks
 
149Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 23:13 		Your queue SUCKS DONKEY DICKS MITH! GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
150J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 23:18 		woah you said DICKS!

sorry

I was hoping Mulder would've made it back to me. Rumor has it, he's gonna be fine.
 
151Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 23:54 		If hen ever shows up I have MITH's pick. Don't know if Tosh is around.

If I don't see hen by the time I go to bed, I will forward MITH's queue to Guru.
 
152J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:05 		CLEARLY someone just posted posing as blue hen!
 
153Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:12 		LOL.....hard to tell if that is a crack about the pick, or about getting laid!

Do I post MITH's pick then????????
 
154J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:15 		I was going for option B, but just as every pick he makes, it can be taken both ways :)
 
155J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:15 		so, yeah, post MITH's pick
 
156beastiemiked
      ID: 6117323
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:18 		Is Tosh around?
 
157GolfFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 1730209
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:34 		Just wondering was that really blue hen?
diff ID #
Plus seems alittle high for Edmonds
but he did take Jim Edmonds in round 7
in Mock draft.
 
158Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:48 		GF - I hear you, but blue hen has posted from no less than 3 different ID's now regarding this draft.

Edmonds' OBP and SLG are pretty high. One site's projections have Edmonds' OPS at .960, good for 10th among all hitters.

Lastly, hen immediately asked for someone to cut and paste his draft rationale for Giambi, which he had left earlier in this thread.

Seems close enough for me.
 
159darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 08:46 		Everyone:

Just a heads up. I'm driving from DC to Ohio this afternoon, attending a funeral tomorrow morning and then driving back to DC tomorrow afternoon, so I won't be around. I hope to make my picks for rounds 5 and 6 before I leave at 2:30pm today. But, things could slow down. If that's the case, and it's not my pick by then, I'll either wait till I get to Ohio tonight or leave choices with my friend, Dave. He'll also be looking after things tomorrow, but I want to stay as involved as possible. However, given that I will be w/o internet until about 9pm tomorrow night, I needed to make sure there was some coverage. If he does pick, he'll post the picks and put a placeholder in the rationale thread, and do so using my handle. I told him to post here if he needs help w/ something, but doubt he will. I hope I don't delay things too much, but wanted you to be aware of my situation. Thanks!
 
160KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:25 		Slackjawed Yokel, just wanted to thank you for taking Pierre. He was high enough on my draft sheet that I was going to have a big decision whether to get him or fill another need if he was still there for my next pick.

At least now I can go back to my original plan. :)

 
161Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:30 		lol KKB. Isn't it funny how sometimes we are glad a player we like gets taken so the decision is easier? And what the heck are you doing wondering about a player 16 picks away! ;-)
 
162Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 48927711
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:30 		KKB - Yeah, I was actually considering him last time around. I had him ranked like 25th overall, but couldn't pull the trigger last time. In fact, I struggled with it again this time but as long as he continues to swipe bases at an abnormal pace, I should be alright.
 
163Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:37 		FYI - I'm out of pocket until probably 4:00 ET, although I would assume I will get a break around 1:00 ET. I will check with Dave R, so if he posts a pick and it isn't Enrique Wilson then it's probably okay ;-)
 
164Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:42 		I have a dentist appt. at 1pm, but should be back by 2pm.

I just posted from Tosh's queue. His list was:
Colon
Furcal
Cabrera

Amazing how closely our queues are mirroring the actual draft!
 
165Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:47 		beastiemiked - are you ready with your 3.02 rationale? I have Tosh's for 3.03.
 
166Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:05 		I'm here and will pick shortly.
 
167Caper
      Donor
      ID: 1535108
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:13 		Is BH around? I have to be away from the computer for about an hour very shortly. I would love to get this pick done before leaving.
 
168 beastiemiked
      ID: 2601988
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:19 		Send me a queue Caper. I don't pick for another 25 or so picks.
 
169Caper
      Donor
      ID: 1535108
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:23 		It looks like I am alright. Hen picked and saved me the debate I was having over Dotel vs Rivera. It was one or the other for me here and Hen made the decision.
 
170blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:27 		I've been looking at Pierre since round 3. Obviously, he gets you a tough category, and look how high Gagne went. But the SLG totally scared me off. It's like Shaq and free throws.

Dotel was probably next on my list but I remember the last time he tried to close. If I recall, he was so bad they let Mike Jackson close. I wasn't going to take him over Mr. Automatic.
 
171KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:53 		Species, I was looking 16 picks away because I had him right about where it looks like Slackjawed Yokel had him and he was standing out from all the other available hitters like a beacon. Hitting in COL again should raise his SLG a bit, so that would have been only of minor concern for me.
 
172smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:08 		does anyone want to trade my next 2 pick 5.08 (current) and 6.09 for his 5th and 6th round picks? please reply in the next hour or so
 
173Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:12 		KKB - Pierre hitting in Col again? Did I miss something?
 
174Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:14 		smartone - no trade interest here
 
175smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:28 		#172 is intended for any of the following:

J
jumpball
species
Ref
Guru (not interested)
Trip
darkside
KrazyKoalaBears
 
176Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:38 		Not interested.
 
177darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:40 		I'll also pass. Thanks.
 
178J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:44 		no thanks
 
179KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 11:50 		Guru, no, I did. LOL. I seem to have this problem this year with mixing up teams and players. What I should have said was that his SLG dropped off some when he moved from COL, but that he picked it up last year and I think it's a sign that it won't be as big of a problem as some think.
 
180Tosh
      Sustainer
      ID: 57721710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:03 		Like Guru noted in 164, my queue went Colon, Furcal, Cabrera, and that's the way the draft went. But the pre-edited/sent copy also included Pierre and Webb, the other two picks surrounding mine.

Not gonna let anyone slip ... are you guys?
 
181Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:33 		I have a 2 player queue from jumpball.

J, will you be picking in the next 10 minutes? If not, I'll forward the queue to someone else, since I'll be gone from 12:45 until about 2:00.
 
182 Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:40 		I'll have the draft up until I leave work at 4:30 and won't be picking for some time, so I'll be happy to take any queues. If anyone sends me a one, let me know in this thread because I do not keep hotmail up.
 
183Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:42 		Mattingly - I just emailed you jumpball's queue.
 
184Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:50 		RE 180

Tosh, I second that notion! Doing this 16 team and the 20 team draft at the same time with such great fantasy managers is really tough. No obvious player slips and sometimes you have to reach just to make sure you get the player you want that fits your team as there is little chance of him falling by the time it gets to you again! Talk about some serious brain cramps!
 
185Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:55 		Guru - received.
 
186Peter N.
      Donor
      ID: 257161713
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:57 		Whew!..........After Ensberg came off the board, I got real nervous thinking Blalock wouldn't make it back to me.
 
187blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:20 		He almost didn't...
 
188J
      ID: 4720310
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:30 		Houston...we have a problem, well, I do anyways. I think I just lost internet access from my desk at work altogether. There's this one computer that I get to share with about 200 people, but thats it :(
For whatever reason, originally pretty much all of the internet was blocked, then they let us have access to some "business related" sites, somehow I was able to access these boards and a few other sites, but now nothing. Not even business related sites! Who knows, maybe it'll change, but I may need some help with the rest of this draft.

For the people picking before and after me, or whoever else pays enough attention to this draft, I may need someone to email me a list of who's been picked since my last pick, then I can email you back with my pick and you can post it. Any volunteers? :(

Hopefully I'm just jumping the gun here and the "internet" will be restored, but its not looking good.
 
189 smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:32 		J, feel free to use me... do you have a Messenger?
 
190smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:35 		BTW, Websense blocks the rotoguru.com homepage it has the word "gambling" filtered... however, I am linking directly to the Message Boards.

Is there anyone here familiar with Websense?
 
191darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:09 		I'm leaving for my road trip in about 30min. As Species said he was out until 4, I'm just gonna try to check in and make my picks upon arrival in Ohio, meaning about 9pm. If that goes awry, I'll call my friend and he'll make the picks for me.
 
192Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:30 		Guess I can stop waiting on Species then.
 
193Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:49 		I'm here.....picking in a few
 
194Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:49 		oh well, we had been making pretty good time so far. We can handle little bog-down, I suppose.
 
195Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:53 		Jumpball also stated in his queue that he wouldn't be available again until about 10pm.
 
196Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 14:59 		I am here as well...

We have made very good progress, but I don't want to make my pick and put darkside on the clock where he might miss his 6 hour window.
Any thoughts on this?
 
197Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:07 		Since we're still waiting on Species anyway, I don't think you have any concerns, Trip. Even if you could make your pick immediately, darkside will supposedly be checking in around 9pm, which would just be 6 hours. As it is, you're still only 4th in line.
 
198Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:12 		Sorry guys.....thought I made up my mind but need to investigate just a little....give me 10 more min, tops.
 
199Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:15 		Species, if you take my pick, I'll have to start investigating all over!!!
 
200Mikel
      ID: 45172623
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:23 		Atta boy J! Way to take the first Tiger!
 
201Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:27 		I've waffled more than the International House of Pancakes.....you're up Ref
 
202Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:47 		You know Ref.......the sadist in me saw Green on the list and chuckled, because I deduced you might have wanted him being the Dodger fan and all. I considered it, but wimped out and went with the boring Maddux pick. Let's hope he has one more 16 win season in him.
 
203Ref
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:52 		Species, you threw me a curve with that pick. I had you taking one of three people with your pick. I wanted Green all along, but when you took a few extra minutes, I came up with a backup player just in case you took him--which I thought you might.
 
204Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:57 		You'll have to AIM me later with who I should have taken! ;-)
 
205Ref
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 16:01 		No, not sayng someone you should have taken, just thought you may be going in a different direction. It was pure conjecture on my part.
 
206Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 16:53 		Here's hoping darkside's buddy Dave will check in soon.

I'm leaving my computer at 6:30 ET but should be around to check in again in the 8:30-9:00 ET range.
 
207Guru
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 16:54 		I'll be out from about 7pm until 10:30pm tonight. Given darkside's travels, it doesn't sound like much will happen in the meantime anyway, but don't send me any queues if you want me to cover for you during that span.
 
208J
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:06 		smartone, I'll send you an email in the morning, thanks for the help!!!
 
209Dave
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:19 		Hey,
sorry for the delay on Darkside's pick, I'll try to get the next one in much faster.
Also, if anyone could halp me out with a problem. I posted Darkside's placeholder in the rationale thread but I accidentally listed the pick as 5.15 instead of 3.15. I've tried changing it with the self edit link at the top of the thread but I couldnt scroll down to that message. It stops at the message before it. Thanks for your help and sorry again for the delay,
Dave
 
210Mattinglyinthehall
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:20 		Don't worry about the typo. Guru can fix it. Thanks for helping out.
 
211Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:34 		Dave - thanks for your diligence with darkside's pick. Hang tight because KKB should be making his TWO soon, then you're up again. If you're going to step out, feel free to let us know and you can email darksides list of 3 more players and we can make the pick if need be.

Someone needs to fix bmd's Rolen draft rationale, cut and pasting his rationale up higher in the thread and deleting the post he made.
 
212Species
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:38 		Guru - how about a new discussion thread soon?
 
213Dave
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:39 		I'll hang around for the next pick. I've already got a list from Darkside. He's actually on the road right now, but I've talked to him and the next pick should go quick.
 
214KrazyKoalaBears
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:55 		I'm back from dinner and will make my pick soon.
 
215Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:59 		Note that there is a new discussion thread here.
 
216TaRhEElKiD
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      Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:19 		I like that last pick Guru.

THK
 
217blue hen
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      Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 14:32 		BUTT just for post 157.