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| Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:44
Time to move to a new thread.
Links: draft picks roster grid
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| | | 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:45
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BTW, when I took Guardado, my short list was Guardado, Isringhausen, Rhodes.
Are we all on the same wavelength?
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| | | 2 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:45
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Guru
Sent you an email.
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| | | 3 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:01
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FYI to the league. I am getting ready to goto the Texas Tech / Missouri basketball game. I'll be gone until around 9:00pm CST. I'm not sure exactly what I want to do with my next pick. Alot of it will depend on who gets picked between now and my pick. With that said, I don't feel comfortable leaving a queue.
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| | | 4 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:18
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If there is a mystery moderator still out there, V. Wells is 25 not 26.
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| | | 5 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:18
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Funny, my shortlist for RP was Eddie, Rhodes, and Izzy. Had to go to Plan B when they were all gone just before me.
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| | | 6 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:42
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Yes! This is exactly what I wanted. I take Rivera and then Percival, Dotel, Rhodes, Isringhausen, Guardado, Hoffman all go later in the round. Thought about taking another one with my next pick, but...
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| | | 7 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:54
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I try not to get caught up in the run on a particular position. I try to stay the course and pick the player that best fits into my team. When it's this early though, many times that player is still one of the best players on the board.
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| | | 8 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:59
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My problem is that I was planning on taking a RP anyhow and then suddenly everyone before me has the same idea. Definitely dwindled down the list of closers with a guaranteed job pretty quickly.
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| | | 11 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 20:26
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I disagree big time bh, but I'll say more after the draft.
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| | | 12 | Tavo
ID: 35117271
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 20:30
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I also try to stay away and not get caught up in a run for a certain position, as it usually leads up to drafting lesser value.
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| | | 13 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 20:34
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I think post 9 crosses a line about discussing the draft in a way that might possibly influence picks.
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| | | 14 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 20:39
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Post 9? I don't see any post 9.
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| | | 15 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 21:50
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I'm back from the Texas Tech game.......and in a great mood!!! :-) :-) Big game for us Red Raiders.....Hopefully this will take us off the bubble and into the Big Tourney.
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| | | 16 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 22:53
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I can't be on here much longer. I think I'm going to send Peter N a one person queue if Guru hasn't picked yet.
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| | | 17 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:01
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Bedtime for me. Too far from my pick to leave a queue. I'll check in before 7am.
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| | | 18 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:03
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Sorry for the delay. I'll pick within 10 minutes.
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| | | 19 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:08
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Anybody have a clue when jumpball will pick?
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| | | 20 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:18
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I haven't heard anything from him.
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| | | 21 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:19
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I do have a queue from J, however.
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| | | 22 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:23
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I hope that jumpball shows up by 11:30 ET (when the 6-hours clock expires)
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| | | 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:37
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I sent him an email. He's been pretty good about staying in touch.
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| | | 24 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:23
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How does the weekend set up for people? We've made very good progress so far, and should hopefully get through at least round 7 by the end of today.
For the weekend, we could:
1. suspend the clock
2. lengthen the clock (8, 10 or 12 hours)
3. continue at 6 hours
What's your pleasure? Who thinks they may have difficulty staying in touch over the weekend?
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| | | 25 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:27
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Personally, I would prefer a 12-hour clock, but am fine with whatever the consensus is.
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| | | 26 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:27
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having 3 ladies to entertain (well, 2 of them are VERY young) - my accessability to the computer will be rather limited. However, a 12-hour clock will work for me though I would favour to eliminate the clock until Sunday night (maybe restart the clock on Sunday 7PM ET)
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| | | 27 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:29
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I have no problem with continuing the 6 hour clock.
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| | | 28 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:36
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I'd say keep the 6 hour clock but shorten the time it runs, maybe from 10am ET - 10pm ET. This would require an owner to only check in once or twice a day but still keep the draft moving.
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| | | 30 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48927711
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 11:03
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I'll be around this weekend, so I'm ok with whatever. However, next weekend I may have very limited access. (If it would help, I could do all of my picks now to get them out of the way.)
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| | | 31 | jumpball
ID: 371302613
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 12:47
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I'm out of pocket with no internet access all day Saturday.
I'll be able to be here late Friday night, late Saturday night, sometime Sunday afternoon, and again on Sunday night.
(Not sure when I can find time to do research!)
Signed,
"4 corners"
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| | | 32 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 12:54
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I am cool with suspending the clock during the weekends. I have no issues (yet) with this current weekend but believe we are well on track to finishing this thing in a timely manner.
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| | | 33 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 13:18
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Sorry about that. 3 hours for me.
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| | | 34 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:07
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I've been wondering how long Walker would last.
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| | | 35 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:12
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Agreed...scratching one off my short list
Would you believe I had him ranked #92...affirmation
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| | | 36 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:22
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Let me make a proposal for the weekend.
Starting Saturday morning, increase the clock to 12 hours through round 9. Continue to suspend the clock during the same 1am-7am period (EST)
If we make it through 9 rounds before Monday, we'll suspend the clock and pick it up Monday morning (with the normal 6 hour clock again). Also, if we get to the end of round 9 and there are any vacant picks, we'll wait for them before continuing round 10.
We've got a shot at clearing 9 rounds before Saturday, although it may be a long shot.
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| | | 37 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:28
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Walker was on my radar too, but I'm not too worried. Borowski with your 6th pick? Wow.
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| | | 38 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:32
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I thought for sure you would take Walker after taking Edmonds earlier. To me there isn't much difference between the two.
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| | | 39 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48927711
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:34
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Trip, yeah, I actually had Koskie and Glaus ranked 91st and 92nd - and that's where they went. I guess I'll go pick the 3rd baseman I had ranked 90th...
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| | | 40 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 19:24
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I'm around and will pick within the next 5-10 minutes.
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| | | 41 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 19:45
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Actually, I'm a little afraid Walker will be traded, and that will totally shoot him down a few notches. At his best, Walker is an absolute stud, but it's been awhile.
Andruw Jones just went. I prefer him to Castillo, but I was at a point where I needed a middle infielder who can steal bases. Jones is in his prime and should have a great year.
With Jones gone, I have four guys on my short list right now, and I'm hoping at least one of them makes it back to me.
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| | | 42 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 19:51
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Andruw was becoming another Pierre for me. He was starting to stand out as an unpicked player in the midst of a bunch of players who had been taken. Definitely has good upside potential.
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| | | 43 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 20:01
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I'll be in the other room watching wrestling. If it gets within one pick of me, someone please AIM me. My AIM name is in post 80 of the other discussion thread. Thanks.
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| | | 44 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 20:30
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You're not on AIM. Or you have me on ignore...
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| | | 45 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 20:32
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oops
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| | | 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 20:33
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OK, now im on.
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| | | 47 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 20:33
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I was maybe a bit early on Nick Johnson, but needed a 1B, and am still trying to overcome the OBP deficiencies of Soriano.
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| | | 48 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 21:02
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Johnson's fine... But having two 2003 Yankees... that's another story...
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| | | 49 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 21:25
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the little ones are asleep... i'll post my pick in a few mins
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| | | 50 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:32
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what do you guys think about adding the manager's numerical projection of the drafted player (if available) to the rationale thread?
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| | | 51 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:38
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I don't really have "a" projection for each player. I'm looking at a composite ranking using a bunch of projections from different sources.
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| | | 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:39
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... but, it still might make a nice addition. Puts a little meat on the bones.
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| | | 53 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:49
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Turning in.
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| | | 54 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:59
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If only to hear some hilarious projections from the hen, I am for it.
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| | | 55 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 23:55
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Dammit. Species took Dunn, who was a pretty deep sleeper on my list. He might be the most underrated player in baseball, and he's going to tear this league a new one in 2004.
But he's not one of my short list...
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| | | 56 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 00:13
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Anybody interested in trading their 8th and 9th round picks for mine?
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| | | 57 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 01:35
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Dunn's walk rate hasn't really declined, so in this scoring system he's still pretty solid. A decent 1b is getting hard to find so I went for it. The man also stole 19 bases in 2002 so SB's in the teens would be sweet. I think last year was a fluke so he should improve.
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| | | 58 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 02:27
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I got called out of town and this is the first time I've checked the site. Won't be home for a couple of days and don't have my notes with me and will just have to wing it. Hope I don't reach too far or overlook someone, but my gut, along with last year's stats and some projections were working well for me this far IMM.
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| | | 59 | Matt S
ID: 34945140
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 04:57
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Am I the only one that saw Luis Castillo picked as a PR? :)
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| | | 60 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:36
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I guess my Mike Young selection should show as a shortstop instead of a 2B at this time. Either way he will fill one slot in my middle infield.
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| | | 62 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:48
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Guru, I don't like you much right now. ;) I had Lee pegged for my next pick and I was hoping beyond hope that he would make it to me. Definitely a great pick this far into the draft, IMHO.
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| | | 63 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:53
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I was watching him as well, but didn't really expect he could make it back to me.
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| | | 64 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:03
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You'd have been sore with me, KKB, if Guru hadn't taken him as I was planning on it. It's tough to get a break around here!
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| | | 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:18
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Well, you can blame Species, because if he hadn't picked Dunn, I might have. I was in the process of debating Dunn vs. Lee when Dunn disappeared.
I was actually considering Lee back in round 4 when I took Preston Wilson. I didn't think those two were very far apart. So I was somewhat surprised to see him survive this long. I think too many closers and left-side infielders got in the way.
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| | | 66 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:18
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My shortlist for a while had been Castillo, Loaiza, Lee, and Nevin. At least I got one of 'em.
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| | | 67 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:25
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KKB, I'm going to start a new thread for rationales to begin with round 6. Plase post your 5.16 rationale in the old thread, and then post 6.01 in the new one.
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| | | 68 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:48
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Thanks to whomever posted my rationales. It looks like maybe a closing tag for the bold is missing though...any chance someone could clean that up? Thanks a lot.
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| | | 69 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:51
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Done. Perhaps subliminally, I thought Javy Lopez was a bold pick at that time.
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| | | 70 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:01
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Thanks Guru. Talking to my friend Dave last night I was telling him that I think I'll either have a great team, or a horrible one....3 of my first 4 picks (Bags the exceptiong) definitely have lots of question marks. Here's hoping.
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| | | 71 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:30
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I'm still looking to trade up. Besides swapping rounds 8 and 9, I'd be willing to swap 25th round picks as well.
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| | | 72 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:33
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Damn. About 8 guys just got crossed off my list. Still have 2 of the 4 I was interested in before...
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| | | 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:58
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Hopefully, Ref will be able to check in soon from wherever he is. (BTW Ref, I thought your pick of Loaiza last time was fine. Didn't raise my eyebrows.)
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| | | 74 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 11:35
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Why I hate Guru
My four guys were Andruw Jones, Carlos Lee, Matt Mantei, and xxxx. Guru took Lee and Mantei in the last two rounds. I don't regret taking Luis Castillo, but it's a long gap between picks in this league. Hopefully xxxx makes it to me.
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| | | 75 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 11:51
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It's becoming clear in this draft that if you're looking at a particular player, you can assume that at least 3-4 other people are looking at that same player. Sure is making strategy hard to follow.
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| | | 76 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 11:54
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It means I may as well wait until almost immeadiately before my turn to start deciding. As you say, it happens almost each round that the choice you are looking at goes in the preceeding 2-4 picks.
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| | | 77 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 11:54
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OK, I'm here. Guru, I went back and forth with Lee and Loaiza for over 30 mins. I had remembered those guys names on guys I wanted to look at. I tried to pick the one that might not be there. Now that Lee is gone, I may have to reach...again, I have no notes with me so I am really unprepared. Gonna try to find a player that will fit into my team and not reach too far. Might take me a few mins but I'll pick soon.
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| | | 78 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 12:16
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Ref, should I just tell you who I'm thinking about for next round so you can get him out of the way? ;)
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| | | 79 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 12:22
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HAHA! KKB, I've got a couple names now, but I have no idea exactly where they were in my notes and what players I am missing. One guy, who I like, may be a bit of a reach--but at this point will still help me and may not get back to me.
I'm sure I'm seing this because Guru is right next to me, but every single pick except for Wilson, he either took a player I almost took or did grab the player I was ready to take. Tough crowd!
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| | | 80 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 12:43
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Same thing happened in the RIHC draft.
When I've participated in other "expert" league drafts, there always seemed to be a a fair number of managers that didn't seem to know what they were doing - at least insofar as assembling a well configured roster with good statistical fit. I'm sure many did not approach it with much more than the back of an envelope.
These RotoGuru Invitational leagues are clearly the most competitive I've been in. Not many "obvious" sleeper opportunitites to cover for the unfortunate injury or player who simply craps out unexpectedly.
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| | | 81 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:11
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Good pick, Ref. I had Podsednik in mind for the next round, but doubted that he'd survive that long.
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| | | 82 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:16
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Agreed. That has me researching plan b.
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| | | 83 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:27
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I can't say anything in regards to why I chose him at this point, hopefully I can say it by the time the rationale thread comes around. He is the player that I thought may have been a smidge of a reach but didn't think he'd be there for me by the time he got back to me. I'm sorry it took me little extra time to pick.
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| | | 84 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:42
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I thought about him last round but everything I read says his numbers won't be as good this year. However, if he can match his OBP and steals from last year I think he's a very solid pick.
Bh, I'm guessing xxxx is still out there for you.
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| | | 85 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:43
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With Clement I am not officially a closet Cubs fan. Perhaps Maddux and Clement will benefit from seeing other teams' 3-4-5 type starters early on.
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| | | 86 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:47
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I have a guess about xxx.
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| | | 87 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:48
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I mean xxxx.
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| | | 88 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:48
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He sure is, BMD. I'm guessing Peter N. or Caper takes him. Just my luck.
With Podsednik gone, I have a list of 5 or so that I'm looking at. I'll definitely get one of them (5 picks away) but hopefully two.
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| | | 89 | smallwhirled
ID: 26229421
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:02
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Oh smartone, where are your pitchers. I've rarely seen a draft like this, ballsy.
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| | | 90 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:10
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Poor J. Stuck with Russ Ortiz.
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| | | 91 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:16
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bh, you sure you don't want to swap picks?
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| | | 92 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:17
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Hell no.
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| | | 93 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:17
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SW, what is a pitcher? Is this the guy that throws the ball towards the guys that hold a bat?
disclaimers:
1. I read something about pitchers and I already have Troy Percival
2. By the end of the 25th round I'll have a bunch of pitchers on my roster
;-)
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| | | 94 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:19
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We are seeing a range of approaches in this draft. I wonder how many were planned from the get-go, and how many have been dictated by subsequent activity.
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| | | 95 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:27
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"approaches" is a hard word to read...
If you'd given me the first pick, I'd definitely have a shortstop by now. Actually, I took Tejada in the 2nd round of the mock draft, and have had a pretty similar strategy here. I just have a preference against starting pitchers who aren't studs. Is than an approach?
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| | | 96 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:35
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Doesn't there need to be a "placeholder" for J's 6.08 rationale?
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| | | 97 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:37
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hen, how many "studs" SP are there? seems that you are against a lot of people ... ;-)
Guru, my strategy is embedded in my ranking algorithm which I try to follow closely (in most cases, I end up picking a guy which is ranked among the top-5 of every round's avaliable players). The question is whether my assumptions were correct, assuming the projections are "given"... ;-)
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| | | 98 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 18:43
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I'm heading home. About a thousand people have my q, so I won't worry about this next pick.
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| | | 99 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 18:51
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Don't worry, dude. I'll make sure you get exactly the guy you want.
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| | | 100 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:48
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Woohoo!
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| | | 101 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:53
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Sorry for the delay. I had to drive my kids around a little and it turned into 2.5 hours of running about.
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| | | 102 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:07
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Woohoo!
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| | | 104 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:25
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Definitely not the guy I thought you were going to pick.
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| | | 106 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:33
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Dude, don't talk about guys that aren't drafted yet.
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| | | 107 | Toral
Sustainer
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:34
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Sorry, bmd and guyz. My bad.
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| | | 108 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:46
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No prob.
Sorry for the hold up guys. I keep on 2nd guessing myself. Slackjaw you around?
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| | | 109 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:57
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I'll stay around a few more minutes in case Slackjaw shows up, (I hate sitting at work during a Friday Happy Hour), but then I need to go have a drink.
I'll be back in a few hours however.
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| | | 110 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:59
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I'm here guys, but I need 15 minutes or so to make sure I'm making the wrong picks.
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| | | 111 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:00
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Hurry. I can taste my beer now! Just don't take my guy.
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| | | 112 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:04
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Can I leave a queue with someone? I'm outta here in a few.
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| | | 113 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:05
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someone please AIM me when I am up. AIM name is on page 80 in the other thread.
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| | | 115 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:19
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I've got a queue from bmd and will pick for him after slack picks.
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| | | 116 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:28
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sorry, for the delay - I got sidetracked a couple of times, cleaning boogers off a dvd, putting the kids to bed, etc.
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| | | 117 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:32
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Back to you tosh.....
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| | | 118 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:34
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Thanks, and onto the next. I'll be able to post a rationale for 7.03 after a few cold beers!
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| | | 119 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:34
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Pick again Tosh. Mueller has been taken.....
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| | | 120 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:41
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Thanks for heads up. I guess I have too many spreadsheets going right now, and forgot to remove him from the correct one.
Re-picked and GO!
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| | | 121 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:59
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Just catching up on marking players off on cheatsheets/rankings.....I'll pick within the next 10 minutes.
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| | | 122 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 22:07
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Onto smartone. Great pace!
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| | | 123 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 22:15
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surprise... J, get ready!
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| | | 124 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 23:06
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Wow, we rolled for a while there. What else do you expect on a Friday night? BMD with another good pass, but I'm content with Rocket and Burnitz.
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| | | 125 | jumpball
ID: 198192210
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 00:19
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Guru -- i sent you a 2 person queue.
Be back late tomorrow night.
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| | | 126 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 00:39
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MITH - sent you a queue to the hotmail acct.
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| | | 127 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 07:56
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Let's stick with my clock proposal in [36]. I'll repeat it here:
Starting Saturday morning, increase the clock to 12 hours through round 9. Continue to suspend the clock during the same 1am-7am period (EST)
If we make it through 9 rounds before Monday, we'll suspend the clock and pick it up Monday morning (with the normal 6 hour clock again). Also, if we get to the end of round 9 and there are any vacant picks, we'll wait for them before continuing round 10.
I'll be in and out today, but around for most of the day. If you want to leave a queue, I can handle it. I already have a queue from jumpball.
J has until 4:20 this afternoon.
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| | | 128 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 07:58
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Just to clarify - if we make it through round 9, suspending the clock until Monday does not necessarily mean suspending the draft until Monday. If we can continue to inch forward, let's do so.
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| | | 129 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 09:26
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The rationale thread was getting to be a chore to reorganize. Please try to follow these few simple rules:
1. When it is your turn to make a pick, also post your rationale from 2 rounds prior. If you are not ready with the rationale, then please post a placeholder entry. It is much simpler for me to go back and insert the text into an existing post slot than it is to splice in a completely new post slot.
2. If the manager(s) in front of you have neglected to post rationales or placeholders, please post placeholders for them before posting yours.
3. If you post a pick for someone else from their queue, please post a placeholder in the rational thread as well so that it is ready for the next rationale.
When you are ready to post a rationale for which there is a placeholder, either post it here or post it in the rationale thread. I can copy the text into the appropriate placeholder slot and then delete the out of sequence post.
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| | | 130 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 09:34
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I will be in and out this morning and out this evening. Hopefully I will get my picks in before tonight.
Guru-no rush, but you're up in our keeper league
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| | | 131 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 12:36
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Swell. Thome broke his finger.
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| | | 132 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 12:53
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I'm getting ready to go to the Texas Tech / Iowa State Basketball game. The draft is too far from me to leave a queue at this point. I'll check back in a couple of hours.
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| | | 133 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 14:53
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Just got on. Need to figure out what's going on, but will have my pick shortly.
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| | | 134 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 16:31
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Guru, Contreras was at the top of my list, but I decided to go a different way--to a guy not even on my list--for different reasons. Man this draft is getting harder instead of easier.
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| | | 135 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 16:34
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I was actually worried that Species might take Contreras, given his Yankee bias. But I suppose he really didn't need another starting pictcher at this juncture, and Nixon was the highest rated hitter on my list, too.
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| | | 136 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:01
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Through 142 picks, here are the tallies by position (making some judgments about split elig):
5 C
15 1B
9 2B
13 3B
13 SS
35 OF
37 SP
15 RP
Assuming that the difficult positions are C, 2B, and SS, a complete roster needs 4 of them (incl. MI). Only one team has 3 of those slots filled, while seven teams have only one of them filled.
Two teams have no relievers. Two teams have only one starter.
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| | | 137 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:04
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I like Contreras quite a bit. Usually when a player has a good strikeout rate and bad numbers elsewhere, it's a decent indicator for his future. That's the good news. The bad news is that it's unclear if that particular effect is different for a *cough* 32-year-old than it is for a 23-year-old. There really aren't many precedents to match up with. Hideo Nomo isn't a great comparison because he did everything well from the start. Rene Arocha might be a good example, but 27 isn't exactly old. Arocha had a good strikeout rate but never harnessed the rest of his game. I'm optimistic about Contreras but the best part is that he'll be a precedent we can use to evaluate other players who are comparable.
Trot Nixon has been sticking out like a sore thumb for quite some time. His OPS is high, but I think he overachieved (though not as much as Mueller) and he doesn't steal and could get lost in a powerful Boston lineup.
Pretty sure I won't be picking today, but hopefully some of my guys will still be there.
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| | | 138 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:24
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I was all set to grab Contreras or Varitek. 2 rounds in a row Guru and Ref have swiped my guys.
Anyone besides KKB and darkside:
I have a 2 man queue and my two rationales to give to you if you'll take 'em.
If the two in my queue are gone, I will not be able to make my pick until later tonight. There are too many other options to consider right now.
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| | | 139 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:25
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Trip, if you want, I will be happy to trade my #10 and #11 round picks for your #10-11 round picks
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| | | 140 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:33
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If both of the guys in my 2-man queue are gone I would consider that, but I would have to see who was taken first.
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| | | 141 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:34
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thanks, Trip, there is a specific player that I am after, if he is gone - there's no deal on my side as well. Let's wait.
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| | | 142 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 17:40
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Well, at least it wasn't only Guru who was looking at Contreras ahead of me. UGH! Back to the drawing board.
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| | | 143 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:00
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Bout to take off...any takers on the cue?
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| | | 144 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:05
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i'll take you queue, and if you want (and if your top-2 guys go off the Board - I'll trade our draft picks)
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| | | 145 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:06
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Trip, if you trust me, you can send it to admin@kafenatid.net and I won't open the e-mail it until after I make my pick. If not, I won't take any offense. :)
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| | | 146 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:16
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I trust ya KKB, queue already sent to smartone.
Thanks
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| | | 147 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:25
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Trip, i didn't receive an email (yet)
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| | | 148 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 18:33
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Doh! After setting out the ground rules for rationales, I made my pick this afternoon and forgot to post the correcsponding rationale! A senior moment.
At least Trip follows instructions. Thanks Trip.
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| | | 151 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 22:28
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When does darkside's clock expire?
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| | | 152 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 22:57
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10:44 ET tomorrow morning.
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| | | 153 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 09:38
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Trip, Please note that I didn't receive your queue via email. Would you like to pull the draft-trade?
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| | | 154 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 10:04
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Smartone, sorry I don't know what happened. I distinctly remember pressing the send/receive button but I can't find it in my sent items either. I have been getting some weird bounces with my e-mail as well.
Both players in my queue were still available and I hope you get who you were aiming for (unless I picked him). :)
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| | | 155 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 10:17
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Trip: it's OK
Guru, ref, Species, jumpball, J: "my" guy is still there and I am interested to trade the 10-11th round picks with anyone who might be less focused on a specific player now
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| | | 156 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 12:08
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smartone - I would consider it if I got a 2nd flop in my favor....say in round 15.
So I could consider my 10, 11 and 15 for your 10, 11 and 15.
I'll be back in 30 min to either make my pick or consider an offer.
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| | | 157 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 12:56
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Ugh. KKB took both on my short list. I was also thinking of Kennedy as a fallback, but then Trip took him.
So, I'm going to need to rethink. Smartone, I'm open to an offer as well, but it would probably need to be something along the lines of what Species is asking for.
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| | | 158 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 13:02
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Guru, no problem. Just consider it payback from earlier rounds. ;)
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| | | 159 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 13:54
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Guru: tick........tick.........tick
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| | | 160 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 14:01
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I just offered smartone a trade offer via email, which I think he'll accept. Waiting for him to respond.
I offered him the same deal he offered in [155] - straight swap of 10th and 11th round picks, so he's probably on the clock now, not me.
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| | | 161 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 16:34
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With no trade in place, I would presume the clock is still running? ;-) tick....tick......tick
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| | | 162 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 16:47
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Actually, the clock is off today anyway, since we're past round 9 (per Commissioner ruling in [127]).
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| | | 163 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 17:31
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i am back... let me get back to you in 5 mins
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| | | 164 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 17:38
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trade
Guru gets picks 10.9, 11.8
smartone gets picks 10.4, 11.13
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| | | 165 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 17:42
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done deal.
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| | | 166 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 18:08
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smartone - if you hadn't done that trade, I'd have taken Wilkerson. But I didn't feel strongly enough about it, and figured I'd wait 5 more picks to see what developed.
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| | | 167 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 18:43
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Guru, I have been considering Wilkerson since the 7th round and I was so surprised that he was so late on the board (I HAD to pick the player ranked #65 on the 148th pick) ... luckily I managed to get ALL 3 players I was considering together with Dmitri Young.
Now I have a looooong time to rest until it's my turn.
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| | | 168 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 19:22
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Ref, you are up!
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| | | 169 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 19:50
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smartone, I whacked your latest rationale, since it was about 5 picks early (vs. your position in that round). I'll add it back in when the time comes. Don't worry about it.
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| | | 170 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 20:05
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Queue sent to KKB for round 10. I cheated and already posted my rationale for round 8.
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| | | 171 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 20:57
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Man Species, I kept going back and forth on Kolb and Fullmer. I needed both positions pretty badly. If you wouldn't have gotten him, surely somebody else would have before it got back to me anyhow.
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| | | 172 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 21:48
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I would like to move up so if anyone wants to swap draft picks for the next 2 rounds I'm all for it.
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| | | 173 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 22:07
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I hear you Ref. I had Fullmer targeted quite a while ago and have been waiting to pull the trigger. I'll write it more eloquently in the rationale thread, but Fullmer jumps from the 25th best offensive ballpark to the Number One offensive ballpark in the league.....yes even better than Coors. Of course, part of those numbers are due to the rather offensive Rangers pitching staff, but the bottom line is that The Ballpark is a great park for hitters and Fullmer is in line for a great year.
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| | | 174 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 22:18
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OT: bmd, Do you realize you have been skipped in the G20 Draft? 8 people have picked since you timed out on your pick 4.13. Just letting you know.....
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| | | 175 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 22:36
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Soooo slooooooow. The only good thing is that I have about two or three guys who haven't been picked in this run, but I bet they'll go soon.
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| | | 176 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 22:42
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We slowed down on the weekend, as expected, but the pace should pick up again tomorrow. I'm hoping we can get get through round 17 by the end of Friday.
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| | | 177 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 00:13
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Thanks Peter, didn't realize our clock was only 6 hours. That's a killer on the weekends especially when it is nice outside.
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| | | 178 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 02:39
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Ouch Guru. It gets a little worse. I hear Chase Utley is taking grounders at first. Better pick him up quick.
Jim Thome (1B) PHI 3/7/2004
Thome's broken finger could keep him out as long as eight weeks, the Philly Inquirer reports. Three weeks is the best-case scenario for Thome, but six to eight weeks is the worst-case scenario. The Phillies won't know if Thome needs a pin for his finger until Monday, when he visits a hand specialist back in Philadelphia.
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