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Subject: Anybody for a 5x5 roto keeper league

Posted by: JTSERB - [481020120] Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:50

I'm looking to start one this year or does anyone know any that have openings and are starting fresh this year? I'm in one keeper, but its h2h and would like to be in a roto one. Post if interested maybe we can get one going

beebop
ID: 39182320
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 20:36

Im in one currently, if someone was to set up another, id definitely be interested in joining it aswell.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 12:42

I'd be interested. I can also talk to one of my friends and see if he's interested.

What kind of details were you thinking? Slow draft vs. live draft? # of keepers, # of years... You know all that good stuff.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 12:53

Sounds like a good idea.

If you decide not to start one there are regular openings listed at the Fantasy Baseball Cafe classifeds.

Seem to be more 6x6 with BA and OBP leagues this year. I don't see the attraction myself.

Nerfherders
ID: 50232320
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 13:12

There is an opening in our roto keeper league The Perfect Keeper League. It's contracts, drafting, $82 cap. If youre interested shoot me an email.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 13:19

I am in a couple leagues already, but wouldnt mind another keeper league.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 10:03

I would join another league as well.

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:31

I'd give a keeper league a shot.

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 23:58

I'd be up for a new one.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 09:50

I could be interested also

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:19

I'm going to BUTT this. The Johan getting traded thread will probably attract some interest to this Forum and this thread seems to be getting slightly buried.

We've got 8 people right now:
1. JTSerb
2. beebop
3. Kyle
4. wiggs
5. wazaaap_guy
6. C1-NRB
7. ksoze
8. Jack Hammers

We'd probably want 12-14 total just so talent is fairly well dispersed.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 21:57

Throw my hat in the ring for one of the remaining manager slots.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:20

I'm in.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:48

1. JTSerb
2. beebop
3. Kyle
4. wiggs
5. wazaaap_guy
6. C1-NRB
7. ksoze
8. Jack Hammers
9. Taxman
10. Toral

clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:51

Sounds like the CMSL is disappearing. I'll take on another league if you guys need me.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:04

id would be interested too depending on draft schedule. 1 week in early march and another right before the season begins I could have pretty limited internet access

loki
ID: 51042421
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 21:34

Am interested, but would you please email details.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 02:03

Well, going in I wanted to make this is money league and probally should have posted so. I feel that if there is money involved you get players that really want to play and the chances that they will disband their team is less likely. If there isn't enough interest in a money league I have no problem doing one without, but would prefer to "have something on the line"

Here are the basics.

Type: Roto 5x5, AL and NL, Keeper.

# of teams: 14

Fees: $75 per season

Scoring
-Batting OBP, RBI, R, HR, SB
-Pitching WHIP, ERA, K, W, SV

Keep 5 hitters and 4 pitchers each year.

Roster

C
1b
2b
SS
3b
MI
CI
OF
OF
OF
DH
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
P
P
P
6 Bench Spots

I am up to any suggestions. Maybe a Dynasty league instead? Option to draft minor league players and have rights to them? Lemme know what you guys think

JT

beebop
ID: 6013311
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 02:24

Whats a dynasty league? lol.
I like the format, more accustomed to 10/12 team league though. I like the drafting of prospects to keep on a kind of minor league roster. Works well in Nerfs TPKL. But maybe something like a limit on how long they can be on that roster for (IE; after so many games/AB's/IP they have to be either cut or brought up or traded by the end of that season. I like the salary cap over the keeping of x amount of players as it gives you a chance to keep more players/bring your minors up all the way through etc. Ill play either, just thought id bring it up.
Money league would be fun too.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 05:09

Dynasty league or prospect league would be good. Maybe start as a prospect league and get more dynasty-like every year.

I like 14-person leagues if we can get that high. Talent to easy to find to 10/12s.

If there's CI and MI I think there should be 4 OF.

Not sure if I'm up for a money league. Have to think that one over.

clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 07:03

May actually not be able to take on another team after all...one of my other leagues is expanding, and we've got several things going on. Fill all the other spots and keep me on the back burner if you don't fill it up. Should know something for certain by Monday or Tuesday at the latest.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 08:55

I would be ok with a money league, just not sure I can do 75 dollars right now. I am spread pretty thin at the moment. I could probably do like 40ish. If this wont work please remove me from the league

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 09:00

I'm not a money leaguer.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 11:03

RE 12: Money's tight here too. I'd be down for $40 max.

RE 18: I like beebop's idea of having a "minor league" roster. Something like 5 or 6 guys on that.

RE 19: I also agree that if there CI/MI there should be an extra OF. What if instead of CI/MI and extra OF there's just 2 UTIL spots?

If we don't do money league we's have 13 (12 if clv can't play) so finding 1-2 more players shouldn't be too tough.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 11:04

that first one should be 17 not 12. I don't know what's wrong with my typing and reading skills :)

wazaaap_guy
ID: 520591413
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 13:25

I'm down for any amount of money within reason.

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 16:32

I could do a money league as long as it doesn't go too high, $40 or 50 sounds right to me.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 17:07

$75.00 seems to high, which is no problem.

I am comfortable with $40.00.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 22:22

I'm not excited about the $ aspect, but I will play. I've paid more to host games at TSN and received marginal participation from some of the managers invited to play. Actually sounds like a plan.

I hope DH means the same as a Utility player(any position except Pitcher).

I propose a limit on IP and Games played.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 22:36

would it be straight keeper, or some other aspect like forfeiting the round you drafted that keeper in or something?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 15:32

re 28... yes DH will be UTIL any hitter

re 29... im not sure what you mean there wg...

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 13:50

I think I understand post 29... correct me if I am wrong.

If you draft a player in the first round this year then next year you forfeit your first round pick to keep him. If you keep a 9th round player and throw back your 2nd rounder then you draft in the 2nd round and forfeit your 9th round pick.

It works well if find a sleeper and a "stud" pick is a dud then you can make up for that.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 01:30

I don't suppose anyone would be interested in an auction would they? The rotisserie rules?

Since this is a new league and all, and we're going to play for something, it could be set up from the beginning in what I think IMHO is the most rewarding format.

$260 salary cap, (monopoly money of course, you play for whatever amount), 23 players, Long term contract option. (Players can be held for 3 years at their action price, with a LT contract option after the 2nd year). Keep between 8 and 15 each year,

I'm sure many of you have done an auction league and do them now. I think its a great draft every year. I love the trades you can make when there's a $$ value attached to players. And you can really capitalize on young talent when you find it early and build a team.

Mgrs tend to stick around. I'd be willing to take care of some of the record keeping. We've had a league here locally for about 15 years now, I handle most of that and its really not that difficult. I can elaborate if there's interest. I would urge you to think about it.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 09:07

I would like you to elaborate more Jack Hammers. It sounds very interesting. That is what I want though a keeper league that is very involved and rewards the most diligent managers. Im in the the NBBL and its in its second year and it is by far the best league I am in, but it is weekly matchup and I want to get a roto going.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 09:13

I have been involved in a football auction league for a few years. It works out awesome. If you want any help i can try to help with some suggestions. Email me if you want.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:16

The first year is 23 players in an auction draft. The number of players can be amended to suit the league but but the original leagues are set up with

2 catchers
1b
3b
1 corner infielder (1st or 3rd)
2b
ss
1 middle infielder (2nd or ss)
5 outfielders
1 util/DH (any offensive player)
9 pitchers

You must keep no less than 8 and no more than 15 players each year. Each year you again start with $260 minus the value of all of your kept players.

So some managers could conceivably keep 8 one dollar players and have $252 to spend, others could keep 15 at various values and have only 8 dollars left for 8 players, Not much of a auction left for that manager but his team is basically already built from keepers, most managers are somewhere in between obviously.

A couple of things come into play at the drafts
-you would not be able to make a bid on a player you don't have a position open for
-you must keep money available to fill all of your positions, So a bid cant be made if it takes takes you beyond having 1 dollar left for each open slot on your team. example: the end of the draft gets interesting, Somebody brings up Phil Hughes for 2 dollars. Somehow he has slipped through (happens every year), You already have 9 pitchers. you cant bid, or you have spent 256 dollars and have 3 slots left. You cant bid higher than 2 dollars because if you won Hughes you wouldnt have enough money left to fill out your team. Players can be "stolen" at the end of the draft if you are paying attention and tracking.

Long Term Contracts

Players can be held at their original auction price for 3 years and then has to be thrown back. However at the end of the 2nd year you have the OPTION of tendering that player a LT contract for 1, 2 or 3 more years at 5 dollars per year, That money is added to your players value immediately. For example: you stole Phil Hughes for 2 bucks at the end of the draft, You can have him this year and next at 2 dollars. At the end of next season you must decide whether to offer an LT contract for 1 2 or 3 more years at $5 per year added immediately. So you give him 2 years, His price becomes 12 dollars and you have him 2 more seasons. If you give him 3 yrs his price becomes $17 and you have him 3 more seasons. If you decide not to offer a LT contract, you still have him that 3rd year at 2 bucks but then he goes back into free agency. Long term contracts force you to decide whether you are playing for this year or the future.

When players are traded their LT contracts and year eligabilities go with them. Players given a LT contract CANNOT be dumped.through the length of their contract. (My league amended this to allow dumping if a player goes on the DL),

Waiver pickups are valued at 10 bucks.

or

Each manager manager has a budget of $100 to bid on free agents throughout the season after the draft

Top 4 teams win money
Ist place 50%
2nd place 25%
3rd place 15%
4th place 10%

(I like this part because its never really over for many teams, you can at least try to reclaim your entry by squeezing into 3rd or 4th)

In a nutshell, this is how it goes. Rules, numbers, etc can be amended to fit our league, simplify, whatever, To my knowledge, The guys that originally started this in the 80's, met at at a bar in NY called The Rotisserie. Came up with these rules and started playing, They wrote a book publishing it all, a new book every year with new player values and capsules but the rules remained basically the same, Out of that grew all of us, maybe even this site and all the others. The book was "Rotisserie League Baseball" by Glen Waggoner and some other guy. They dont write it anymore but perhaps some of you still have it around. I have a couple of copies somewhere. I googled and and saw plenty of entries.

If we are interested I'd love to use this format. I think you'd find it very rewarding especially for those who go at it hard. There's not alot of shortcuts to winning, And if you're not winning, its the best format for building for future years. (ie trade Albert Pujols at $42 in the last year of his LT contract, for Prince Fielder at $4 in the first year of his original contract). Obviously the best formula is to dig out that young talent and get it cheap and early. I think this is where Rookie pitchers began to break hearts, how long can you stick with them?

There is some work involved, I would be willing to track the contracts and year eligablities, (when you lose em, when you're decision on a LT contract is due etc.) Maybe Wiggs can help monitor the draft, he does a hell of a job with our football auction. Position available, money available and all. But I think as we get into it you will find yourself doing it on your own because thats how you win.

I'm heading out skiing for the weekend at aronnd 4. Be back Monday, and off all day. Mull it over, if were going to do it we have to start right away. This is Rob J's original thread so I assume he'll have the final decision on it

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:23

i like the idea here, but i do not like 2 catchers.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:36

We can amend whatever we want. Just once we start, we have to try to stick with that template as these leagues can go on for years. We tweak little things from year to year in our league but nothing that would affect previous decisions,

By the way, there are about a zillion periodicals out there that will dive you dollar values on players and capsules that taat are geared for this format

I hate philadelphia
ID: 4031169
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:37

JT I thought I was in this?

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 16:47

My mistake, this is JT's original thread. I had posted Rob J. So I'll assume JT Serb has the ultimate decision on what to do with this league.

Headed out, see ya Sunday/Monday

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:25

Hey Philly I have you down for a spot.. your good to go.. We are just hammering out the details now

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 03:04

Ok, I have drawn up the rules for the league. I am looking for a 14 team league. Auction Keeper Style.

Below are the rules. I am only looking for serious and players committed for the long haul. Please respond asap if you want in so we can get this going.

I. TEAMS AND ROSTERS
1.1. There will be 14 teams in the PED FREE Auction League or (PFAL) consisting of all MLB players. Each team will consist of 29 players (25 starters and 4 minor leaguers).
1.2. A team's roster consists of the following players:
• 11 starting hitters: 1 C, 1 1B, 1 2b, 1 SS, 1 3b, 3 OF, 1 CI, 1 MI, 1 UTIL
• 9 pitchers (any combination of starters and relievers)
• 5 Bench Players (any combination of Pitchers and Hitters)
• 4 minor league players (any position)

II. AUCTION
2.1. Each team must acquire 23 players at a total cost not to exceed $260 (not real money). A team need not spend the maximum.
2.2. Teams will nominate players for acquisition in random order.
2.3. The team bidding first opens with a salary bid of at least $1 for any eligible player and the bidding proceeds at minimum increments of $1 until only one bidder is left. That team acquires the nominated player for the final bid amount. The process is repeated, with successive owners nominating players to be bid on, until every team has acquired a squad of 25 players by requisite position.
2.4. No team may make a bid for a player it cannot afford. For example, a team with $3 left and two openings on its roster is limited to a maximum bid of $2 for one player. (Leaving $1 for the other unfilled roster spot.)
2.5. No team may bid for a player who qualifies only at a position that the team has already filled and that team has already fulfilled its utility position.
2.6. After an owner acquires a player, he immediately chooses the position that player will fill. Players eligible at more than one position may be shifted during the course of the auction.
2.7. The salary of a player acquired in the major league auction is his final bid amount.
2.10. Following the major league auction, a four-round minor league draft will take place to pick the four minor league players for each team. In the first year of the league, the order of selection in the first round will be random and will be reversed in subsequent rounds. In all other years, teams will draft in reverse order of the previous year's finish for all rounds of the minor league draft.
2.11. The salary of a player drafted in the minor league draft is $0. If you want to bring a player from your minor league roster to your active roster there is a $5 fee.

III. POSITION ELIGIBILITY
3.1. A player may be assigned to any position at which Yahoo deems it is eligible.
3.2. The position eligibility of minor leaguers who have no major league experience will be determined by Yahoo

IV. FEES
4.1. BASIC: The entrance fee is $40.00
4.2. All fees must be paid by DRAFT DAY! Unless arrangements have been made, commissioner has right to freeze rosters until fees are up to date.

V. PLAYER SALARIES
5.1. The salary of a player does not change unless the player becomes a free agent, or is signed to a long-term contract.
5.2. The salary of a player acquired in the major league auction is his auction price.
5.3. The salary of a player called up from the free agent pool during the season is $10.
5.5. When a player is claimed off waivers, his salary is the same that it was when he was dropped. If the player clears waivers (i.e., is not claimed), then he becomes a free agent. If he is subsequently acquired, his salary becomes the same as a free agent, $10.

VI. PRIZE MONEY
6.1. The money shall be divided among the first four teams in the final standings as follows:
• Overall: First Place 70%
• Second Place 20%
• Third Place 10 %

VII. STANDINGS
7.1. The following criteria are used to determine team performance:
• OBP
• Total Runs Scored
• Total Home Runs
• Total Runs Batted In
• Total Stolen Bases
• Total Wins
• Total Saves
• Earned Run Average
• WHIP
• K’S

VII: TRADES
9.1. No trade may take place from August 24th until the last day of the regular season.
9.2. There are no limits to the number of trades a team may make during the season.
9.3. Auction money may not be traded at any time

X. WAIVERS
10.1. Any player may be released at any time by his rotisserie team.
10.2. When a player is released, he is placed on waivers for 2 days. Within those 2 days, the lowest placed team to claim the player acquires the player. Waiver priority will be tracked using yahoo.
10.3. When a player is claimed off waivers, his salary is the same as when he was dropped.
10.4. After the 2-day waiver period has passed, if the player has not been claimed, he immediately becomes a free agent and is available to all teams.

XI . MINOR LEAGUES
13.1. Following the major league auction, a four-round minor league draft will take place. In the first year of the league, the order of selection in the first round will be random and will use snake style draft.
13.2. Only players who qualify as a rookie in the major leagues are eligible for the minor league draft.
13.3. When a player is drafted in the minor league draft, he is placed on the team's minor league roster. This protects a team's rights to that player.
13.4 Once a player is activated by his rotisserie team, that player loses his minor league status.
13.5. If a player remains on his team's minor league roster, he is not bound to a contract.
13.6. A minor league player may be retained from one season to the next without his salary counting towards the team’s $260 salary cap.
13.7. Each team has a maximum of four minor league players he may retain from one season to the next. In the minor league draft, a team may only draft enough players to reach the four-man minor league roster limit.
13.9. Once a player is activated, waived or reserved from the minor league roster, he cannot be put back on the minor league roster. The only way a player can return to a minor league roster is if he is drafted in a subsequent season's minor league draft.

XIV. ROSTER PROTECTION AND CONTRACTS
14.1. From season to season, each team must retain between 8 and 15 players, excluding minor league players. There is a limit of 4 minor league players a team may keep from one season to the next.
14.2. If a player is given his option contract, his salary remains the same for one season. After that season is complete, the player must be released and made available for the next major league auction.
14.6. If a player is signed to a long-term contract, his salary will be raised by $5 for each year of the long-term contract. For example, if a player’s salary is $9 and a team wishes to sign him to a three-year contract, his salary is increased by $15 to $24.
14.7. If a player is released before the end of his contract, the team releasing that player will be penalized as follows: The team's salary cap will be decreased by $1 for each year in the total number of years in the contract. For example, if a player is signed to a 4-year contract and is released during his second season, the team waiving the player will have $3 removed from his allotted salary cap in the next season, leaving that team with only $257 instead of the usual $260.
14.8. A player may be signed to only one long-term contract. After the contract has expired, the player must be released and made available for the next major league auction.
14.9. Minor league players are not bound by contract until they are called up to the major leagues prior to September 1. A minor league player may be retained from one season to the next without his salary counting towards the team’s $260 salary cap.
14.10. Trades do not affect the contract status of a player.

XV. GOVERNANCE
15.1. The decision of the Commissioner supersedes the rules herein and is final in any disputes. He also has the power to change a rule with an unforeseen loophole post de facto (After the fact) for the benefit of the league. The overall good of the league as a whole will be greater then the benefit to any sum of its constituents.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 03:05

If anyone sees any possible rule changes that you think might be beneficial let me know I am open to change.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 07:53

2.5. No team may bid for a player who qualifies only at a position that the team has already filled and that team has already fulfilled its utility position.

Does this mean all bench players must have multi-position eligibility? Or can you bid on whoever for your bench once your whole roster is complete?

Also, what about FA pick ups? Are they restricted by the same?

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 08:16

I'm sure 2.1 is a misprint, it says "23 players at... $260," should be 25 players.

And I assume 6.1 should be "The money shall be divided between the first three teams, unless you meant to go with Jackhammer's breakdown in 35.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 11:14

i think having the minor league call ups at 5 dollars each and the FAs at 10 each is very steep. We have run auction leagues before and probably 2/3s of the players go for less then 5 dollars. FAs are the players that dont get picked up as the worst of the best.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 15:16

I had expressed interest earlier and still am interested. However as stated earlier I will be out of town for a week (3/4-3/9) with limited internet access (restricted to hotel lobby computer assuming there is one and borrowing friends computers). I assume I will be able to get access a couple times a day so If you think this can work (for ex. how long til a player is off the board? etc), sign me up, otherwise good luck with the league.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 16:12

Post 43: Khahan it means that say your already have a 1b. You cannot bid on another 1b until all your starting positions are filled. You bench can be any position.

Post 44: Ksoze you are correct, 2.1 is a misprint it should read 25 players, and yes 6.1 also a typo should read the first 3 teams.

Post 45: I wasn't sure on what price so I left it as it was in jack hammers suggestion. What price is it normally set? Say $2 for Minor league call up and $2 for FA?

So far

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers ?
5. Wiggs ?
6. Taxman ?
7. Toral ?
8. Kyle ?
9. WG?
10. CLV is needed
11. Khahan?
12.
13
14.

Please confirm

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 16:22

Toral confirms.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 16:26

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers ?
5. Wiggs ?
6. Taxman ?
7. Toral
8. Kyle ?
9. WG?
10. CLV if needed
11. Khahan?
12.
13
14.

Please confirm

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 16:27

errr... you forgot me. I'm in. By the way, what kind of time limits are we going to have on bids? How long until a player is won when no other bids are made?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:01

ok since it looks like im in ill ask a few questions that i have (quite a few as Ive never done a league this complete)

1) payment- how is this being handled (payment methods)

2)what is the rationale for having to complete your starters before moving to your bench as opposed to just needed a complete roster when the draft is done (sorry if this is common practice just surprises me)

3)FA prices- are these prices come out of our draft budget are they only so we would need to drop equal priced players to pick them up or are they only relevant in terms of keeping players?

4) can you clarify the rules which require you to call up a minor leaguer? For example if my minor leaguer is called up in june how long can he stay on my minor league team? also if i call him up do I get to pick a replacement minor leaguer then or do I have to wait til the next draft?

Also as this is both my first keeper and auction draft what are good resources to use (magazines to buy or websites to subscribe to tho rather not spend too much)

wen do we start?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:03

o and also it looks like this year TSN will be offering the ability to create free leagues like yahoo does. from my limited knowledge of both I seem to prefer the TSN format as it seems to be highly customizable. may be something worth looking into

JackHammers@work
ID: 441143514
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:10

45 and 47 $5 works fine. Dont think you should go much lower I guess I should also explain that free agents and waiver pick ups DO NOT affect your salary cap ($260) until next draft. that 5 or 10 dollars we are talking about is the player's salary. we have used $10 in the past because its much harder decision to keep a player at $10 than it is at $5 or $2.

you can confirm me too

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:10

i am in

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:30

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Taxman ?
7. Toral
8. Kyle ?
9. WG?
10. CLV if needed
11. Khahan?
12. Ksoze
13
14.

Please Confirm

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:38

1) payment- how is this being handled (payment methods)

I will be able to accept paypal, or snail mail.

2)what is the rationale for having to complete your starters before moving to your bench as opposed to just needed a complete roster when the draft is done (sorry if this is common practice just surprises me)

To prevent position scarcity, make sure everyone has a complete roster. I am able to go the other way on this if the majority doesn't want it

3)FA prices- are these prices come out of our draft budget are they only so we would need to drop equal priced players to pick them up or are they only relevant in terms of keeping players?

FA don't count against cap until the following year

4) can you clarify the rules which require you to call up a minor leaguer? For example if my minor leaguer is called up in june how long can he stay on my minor league team? also if i call him up do I get to pick a replacement minor leaguer then or do I have to wait til the next draft?

If you call up a minor leaguer you cannot replace him until next years minor league draft. No time limit on the call up he can stay there as long as you like, but once called up he cannot return to minor league team.

Also as this is both my first keeper and auction draft what are good resources to use (magazines to buy or websites to subscribe to tho rather not spend too much)

There are plenty of free sites out there just google them and they will pop up. Also rotowire has a free trial for a week. Check that one out plenty of info.

wen do we start?

I want to start as soon as we get the league filled and rules finalized.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:39

I'm not sure on the time for bidding on players. It is different everywhere i believe. I have only been in one auction league b4 and didnt track it. Any suggestions here wiggs or jackhammers?

wiggs
ID: 287151918
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 19:57

we do 8 hours without a bid. For example
babe ruth 35 dollars at 8 am at 4 PM he would be sold. If someone bids 36 at 2 the 8 hours would reset. You should have 1 player up for bid for as many teams as you have.

14 teams- 14 players at a time.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 22:07

JTserb, cannot confirm yet. I want to make sure I can give this my full attention. I'll let you know as soon as I can.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 22:51

JTSREB

Please scratch me from your forming league. My experience with auction leagues is that I have neither the time nor patience to learn the concept/rules. Best for all if you proceed with out me.

Best of luck with this league. Thank you for considering me for a slot.

JTSERB
ID: 5045283
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 23:10

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle ?
9. WG?
10. CLV if needed
11. Khahan Possible
12.
13
14.

Please Confirm

clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 08:45

Afraid I've just got too much on my plate...going to be stretched with the leagues I've been in in the past...bad timing - the boss is retiring shortly, and we'll be busy transitioning the business to me, meaning I'm probably going to be pretty swamped.

Thanks for the opportunity...maybe I can jump in if someone has to back out next season (or farther down the line).

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 11:01

Sorry for the delay this weekend was hectic for me and I didn't check a Guru board at all. I'll confirm and ask why don't we use ESPN's free baseball league. It allows for keepers, and it's starting up today. I used it last year and it's was really great after they fixed their initial bug.

Also with the Minor Leaguers: Is this a straight draft?

And regarding the Auction: my heart jumped out of my chest when I read that. The Rotoguru Football Auction League was WAAAY too much fun while drafting. I hoped to be a little help for keeping track of things, but during the draft I was gone for 2 days and lost track of other teams. Hopefully I'll be able to keep up and lend a hand with this draft.

DB
ID: 231491110
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 12:04

JTSERB, I would be interested in joining the league.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 12:42

Sorry, I was away for the weekend but am definitely still in.

Some thoughts:
Not really sure what 14.2 says, can you clarify?

I would strongly prefer Yahoo... it's what most of the gurupie leagues on here play on, so the majority would be more comfortable with it I believe.

Re ksoze's questions: I would also ask about this. A big strategy in auction's is simply filling out the rest of your roster with $1 pitchers. If you had to do this before you filled in your bench, you're basically relegating half your roster to $1 players... pretty much meaning you shouldn't go with this strategy. Personally, I think if you want to bid on 8 1B, you should be allowed to run the risk of filling your 1B, CI, Util, and 5 bench slots with 1B. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the issue at hand though.

I would also vote for 4th place money to be included... finishing 4th/14 in such a complex leagues seems like it should be rewarded, at least with your dues paid for next year (10%)?

Lastly, pretty obvious question but I can draft anyone I want in the auction, right? So there's a good chance the good minor leaguers will be gone come prospect draft time?

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 13:48

I am interested in joining. Participating in a league (Basketball)Wiggs is running right now.

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 14:04

JT SERB can you email your snail mail addr for pmt.

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 14:37

JTserb - do you have any problem with a team being co-owned? I'm thinking perhaps CLV and myself could share a team. I have not approached him yet so it may be a moot point, but if thre are no objections I'll bring it up to him and see what he thinks.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 14:53

I was going to ask the same thing. If we do ESPN you can co-own teams, and the layout isn't too different to Yahoo Leagues. The real problem I ran into last year was trading. Since you couldn't compare stats like you could in Yahoo pre-trade I'd offer a trade look at it and if I didn't like it I'd rescind the trade. It led to a lot of "why'd you offer and rescind this trade?" and then a lot of "Don't pay attention to rescinded trade offers"

Hopefully they fix this. They've yet to open up the leagues.

Also I wanted to possibly co-own my team, since I don't follow minor leaguers and my friend does. If not, I'll just talk with him in private, as I do with all of our leagues. :)

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 15:02

unless you use yahoo as your mail provider and based on your email in this thread is there really any hard in sharing your login with a friend? as I looked at the TSN settings more they seem to have additional settings which I dont believe yahoo does (free live scoring, ability to add conrtact and salary to site, daily stats summaries which puts all teams stats for the day on one page, roster grid which on one page lists all current rosters, and team history which shows how players have performed while on your team). With some of these I may be wrong but they seem to have some nice features included in their free game

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 19:39

Post 63,69,70: Kyle were going to use yahoo, its what im most familiar with as well as most gurupies out here. ESPN and TSN are slow, buggy, and bad service IMHO. Yahoo has always been the top notch service and I don't see any reason to change it.

Post 64: DB... I haven't seen you around here before. New to the boards? or a friend of somebody on here? Anyone know DB? Sorry for the inquisition. I just want to make sure I get managers I know will be here year in and year out.

Post 65: 14.2 clarification: When a players contract is up and has not yet been signed to a long term contract he can be resigned for one year at his current contract rate. After the next season he cannot be resined and must be released. It's kind of like the Franchise Tag i suppose.

Post 68: Khahan, I have no problem with co-owned teams.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 19:41

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle
9. WG
10. Khahan/CLV possible...
11.
12.
13
14.

DB
ID: 231491110
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 19:44

JTSERB, I have been a lurker on the boards since 1998 (for smallworld advise and tips while in college), never posted nor have I played much fantasy baseball over the last 5 years(I am a Naval Officer) because of deployments and lack of internet on ships and in the desert. But I am leaving the military next month and will have time to devote to fantasy baseball.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 20:13

DB, good enough for me, welcome aboard good group of guys here in this league.

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle
9. WG
10. Khahan/CLV possible...
11. DB
12.
13
14.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 20:36

Just for a little more clarification on Rule 14.2

Is this a literal franchise tag as only one player can have this done to them? Or can we have the 15 maximum all "franchise tagged"? Also after this one year contract extension (I guess it's like a Team Option :-P) can you offer the player a multi-year deal and get them for the $5x years offered price?

Example: I extend Babe Ruth's contract for the extra year after year 1 for his auction value of $35. After year 2 I want to extend and keep Ruth for 5 years, so I get Ruth for $60 ($35 + [$5x5 yrs]) and 5 years.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 20:42

After your resign a player using the option you cannot resign him again he must be released to the FA draft. So basically after year one you have 3 options.

1. Let player go
2. Resign for 1 more year at same rate
3. Sign to a multi year contract with $5x rate.

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 20:59

Sorry, Serb, doesn't look like it'll work for CLV and myself. We gave it a try and like CLV, if a spot opens up down the road, keep me in mind please.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 21:37

another question.

is there a maximum length multi year deal we can sign a player to? obviously the escalator makes it hard to go too long but just curious in case it seems practical

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 22:05

I decided not to have a maximum. I don't think any problems will arise being as the escalator should nullify any possible problems. Anyone have a problem with this? or see any possible problems that can happen?

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 22:38

Re:79 I don't see a big problem with it. Although I do believe you should only have one chance to sign him for whatever length, that's at the end of that 2nd year.

Personally I 've never signed a guy for longer than 2 years, And there's not that many 3 year signings throughout our league. I'm trying to get my team to peak THIS YEAR or NEXT YEAR. Sure I'd like to win in 2013. But I don't want to sacrifice a chance at this year's money for it.

The only problem I can see from unlimited years is that since we are also offered the ability to dump these players (14.7 Post 41)($1 per year penalty against next years cap)its too easy to get out. I like the concept of having to live with alot of your decisions good or bad, it makes the original decision much more important and cant just act frivolously and not be held accountable. Perhaps (JT) you could just raise the penalty to 5 or 10 dollars per year against next year's cap and subsequent years for which that player would have been under contract

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:24

this seems to have stagnated.

how many more do we need?

JTSERB
ID: 110592811
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:41

from the looks of it, we need 4

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle
9. WG
10. DB
11.
12.
13
14.

Ill do a 12 team league if we can only find 2 more, but I dont want to go any lower than 12

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:45

I think you missed goldcoach signing up in the thread unless something went wrong I cant see here. Which could give as us little as 1 more needed. How long does an auction draft run?

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:57

i like/prefer 12 teams.

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:59

draft will take about a month

JTSERB
ID: 110592811
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 21:59

Correct I did miss goldcoach sorry about that.

Auction drafts are the same as normal drafts really. Clock can be adjusted for time, we should be ok though. Most drafts havent even started yet.

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle
9. WG
10. DB
11. goldcoach
12.
13
14.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 22:03

yea i know we are fine at this point tho i did figure an auction might go a little longer and shortening time limits likely has a larger negative effect than in normal drafts. if we go by wiggs' month estimate we should be starting in about a week so it would nice to have the league filled by the weekend. really im just eager to start

JTSERB
ID: 110592811
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 22:04

Yea I suposse it takes longer, but if everyone is on the same page itll move fast.

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 23:21

You could probably set up the league and send out the invites so we can at least get that going.

I think if we start the draft next week we should be fine.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:16

I set up league on yahoo already, will get kafenatid going to, but don't want to open it all up until we get enough members.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:34

JT, I dont think there is any reason to do kafinated with an auction draft.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:43

My mistake wiggs you are correct, will be using rotoguru for sure. You have corrected me quite a few times, maybe i need a co-commish eh? LOL... Thanks for the help

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:46

JT, anything you need bro. I have run a football auction draft for 4 season now (i believe) The last 2 season Sarge has stepped up to be co-commish and it makes things a whole lot easier. I have a pretty good system I use for players that are on the board I would be happy to help you with that. Depending the time of day I have good computer access so it shouldnt be a problem.

Do we have all of our managers now?

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:49

nah we still are 3 off of 14, I will do a 12 man league if we have to though.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 15:16

so.....?

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 15:54

i think we need to find a 12th manager and get this thing rolling. It is going to be tough to finish if we dont start now.

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 15:58

agreed there wiggs, been trying to find someone off the boards, no luck yet.. every seems to be "busy" this year

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:00

So is it OK for us to start recruiting? Time isn't really all that short...maybe let's tale a week to try to recruit 3?

I think we have good selling points in what may be a first-time auction league for some managers, with reliable commishing and players....

Toral

barilko6
ID: 491137128
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:08

Guys, honestly I would LOVE to be part of this. I have been looking for a great auction league for some time now.

That being said, I am heading out March 13th until the end of March, with very limited access, so I really couldn't make it work this year.

I don't know if it would be too hard to join in year 2, but keep me in mind!

100

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:13

Toral by all means it is ok to recruit. It does not matter to me how good the player we get are, just that they are active.

101

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:30

toral, this draft will easily take a month. Season starts in about 5 weeks. We dont have alot of time to waste.

102

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 16:47

K. I won't waste any time.

103

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 17:39

Toral has convinced me to at least give this a whirl, plus he promised me 50% of the recruiting fee he gets paid for getting me on board:)

eneu at rogers dot com is my email.

104

Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 18:10

K. We just need 2 more and we're good to go.

105

Khahan
ID: 361271318
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 19:22

Alright, if you'll have me, I'm in.

106

JTSERB
ID: 91501418
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 19:51

1. JTSERB
2. DPR
3. I Hate Philly
4. Jack Hammers
5. Wiggs
6. Toral
7. Ksoze
8. Kyle
9. WG
10. DB
11. goldcoach
12. Twarpy
13 Khahan
14.

1 more to go..

107

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:08

any luck anybody on finding a 14th?

108

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:22

I dont mean to sound like a broken record here, but i really think we are going to have a problem finishing this before the season starts. We dont have enough players yet to even set up the draft. We will probably need a day to just get the players announced. No one wants to do this over weekends I am sure, so we are looking at a starting date of probably Feb 26th. The season starts March 24th.

That gives us 19 days to Auction 406 players. I realistically dont see that happening.

109

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:26

Yea, I think your right wiggs. Really want to do this, but as you said it just doesn't seem possible now. Maybe we can start next year

110

barilko6
ID: 491137128
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:28

If you guys are looking to do this next year, I am definitely interested in reserving a spot now.

111

dpr
ID: 31392114
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 15:41

wouldnt it be 26 days? and couldnt we go with 13 managers if needed? Also skipping the early games could make things possible as then we would just have to be done by the 30th. We could maybe retroactivelively add stats for red sox and As players which were drafted before these games too. Might make things really tough but seems plausible.

112

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 16:40

We could do 13 team league, that isn't the problem, but we need full commit from all members of the league to be on top of everything to have a chance to finish on time. I don't want to forgo any games at all.

113

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 16:48

options are
a) to start now and hope
b) run the clock on weekends- maybe make it alittle longer
c) all of the above.

I really want to do this this year so I would vote c. Lets do this.

114

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:02

I have no probelms with a clock on weekends -- except that I can't be around this Sunday until late evening. Not sure whether we would be able to start by then anyway. Wouldn't want to miss the first few guys thrown out.

115

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:14

If we're going to do it, then C.

116

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:19

Everyone check in that wants to do this. We will start as soon as everyone checks in and still wants to do this. I agree with wiggs we will use option C. Clock on weekends, everyone must use Ques. Basically everyone needs to be on top of their game.

So Far Checked In

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR

I will send out a email to all members tonight.

I think we can do this guys.

117

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:26

errr... how would you realistically use a queue for an auction draft?

118

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:30

Just have a question about the rule of having to complete your starters before bidding on bench players.

That would mean, would it not, that the 14th first baseman nominated goes for $1. Because the other 13 teams will have a 1B and cannot bid on him. (and the same for the other hitting positions) Is this really a common rule?

The last phrase is rule 2.5 needs to be clarified as well:
"2.5. No team may bid for a player who qualifies only at a position that the team has already filled and that team has already fulfilled its utility position."

Toral

119

JackHammers@work
ID: 441143514
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:32

I'm in. Lets go.(c) We can always shorten the clock in later rounds.

One good thing is that no one can hold up these drafts, because if your a no show you just miss your chance to bid

120

DB
ID: 2152011
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:41

I'm in!

121

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:44

Re: Toral's request for a rule qualification... I'll refer to JTSerb's comment in post 56 about it and vote that this rule goes away.

122

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:51

errr... how would you realistically use a queue for an auction draft?

no way to use a queue, but what you can do is find out if someone doesnt want to bid on a player then you can ask them to bid for you. IE i dont want babe ruth someone can say bid on him for me to 50 dollars. or something like that.

I also agree that you should eliminate the rule about filling all roster spots before bench players.

123

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 17:57

Re queues: you could also tell someone "when the guy I nominated sells, throw Joe Blow out there for me at $1".

124

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 19:15

just a reminder that i will be out of town from march 3-9 but will still be able to check in a few times a day. Will this hold up the draft if I am slow? I guess unlike a normal draft at least the only person really hurt poor attendance would be myself but i figure i should be fine.

Couple questions about how auctions work. Have we decided on the time a player is on the clock before he is won? Also when announcing players do we do the more stud players first or it truly in any order we want?

I said it earlier but even if the draft is running behind the key players from oakland and boston will be off the board by their game times and we could make sure others that people would be interested in too are gone by the game but throwin them on the market a few days before. this way we could ahve all these players drafted but still ahve almost another week before we needed to complete out teams. Is there a reason this wouldnt work?

And since I will be away i am up for starting as soon as possible so that I can not miss the first few players who I am assuming will be the studs.

125

JTSERB
ID: 5045283
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 20:35

Checked in

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR
6. Jackhammers
7. DB

Seems nobody likes rule 2.5 and it does not matter to me so I will take it out. You can bid on whoever you like even if you have that position filled already.

DPR you can anounce any player that you would like it doesnt have to be a stud.

For times on a bid, im not sure what do you think wiggs?

Also wiggs I think I asked before, but you wouldnt mind keeping tabs on the auction either would you?

I work nights and usually sleep till about 2 pm central time. So pretty much I am unavailable from 9 am - 2,3 pm.

126

Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 20:58

I am in. Should be fun. I'll be around the entire draft so it shouldn't be a problem.

127

dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 21:53

btw i dont see in the constitution but is there an innings cap?

128

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 22:45

usually we do 8 hours on weekdays and 12 on weekends. That way if people are working they can check before they go in and not have to worry about losing a guy.

As for commishing/helping with the auction- no problem.

129

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 02:23

You know, there is one other possibility...

A logistical nightmare, but if everyone could be here one night for a few hours we could knock half of this out and then start the slow process. or even try to finish. But This is longest draft we ever have to worry about since more than 100 players will be kept in following years.

I'd prefer to do it over a period of time and we'll finish if we start now. I do like having that extra time to exhaust the research. I'll help with the draft also as much as I can be around

130

Goldcoach
ID: 893426
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 08:58

I'm in.
Re rule 2.5 You have three ways to position a player (except C; only two) before you can't bid on a position.
OF:3 OF posit & 1 Util
1B or 3b: Posit CI or Util
2b or SS: Posit MI or Util
I like the rule...adds to the stragedy.

JT see note # 67

131

Kyle@work
ID: 301122210
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:29

I don't see the need for an innings cap. With the way the league is set up if you want you could have 14 starting pitchers and take the Wins and K's categories, but you would have no saves and your WHIP and ERA has a very good chance of being bad. The strategy of getting 14 closers is also possible and you'd have no Wins or Ks but you'd have a lot of saves and a decent shot at a good WHIP/ERA (unless you draft Joe Boroski). I don't think a cap will be necessary

132

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:57

btw JTSerb if you ever send out an email i didnt get it. just fyi

133

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 14:17

I only sent out mail to those who haven't shown up yet dpr.

Checked in

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR
6. Jackhammers
7. DB
8. KYLE
9. GOLDCOACH

Still waiting to hear from:

I Hate Philly
Jack Hammers
WG
Twarpy
Khahan

If we don't hear by Sunday I think its not going to be done. We need to start on Monday im thinking.

134

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 14:30

You want me to respond again JT?

135

Khahan
ID: 46121614
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 14:43

I'm in.

136

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:02

LOL sorry Jackhammers....

Checked in

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR
6. Jackhammers
7. DB
8. KYLE
9. GOLDCOACH
10. KHAHAN

Waiting on..

Philly
WG
TWARPY

137

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:11

I'm in and ready to go.

138

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:21

Checked in

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR
6. Jackhammers
7. DB
8. KYLE
9. GOLDCOACH
10. KHAHAN
11. WG

Waiting on..

Philly
TWARPY

139

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:22

so assuming everyone checks in what is the procedure? when do we start?

140

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:27

Every checks in, I will send out an email to everyone. We will start draft Monday. I hope that works for everyone. There will be a 8 hour clock for the weekdays and 12 hour clock on weekends. Draft will pause from 11 PM Central till 7 AM

141

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:33

Im in

142

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:33

Checked in

1. JTSERB
2. WIGGS
3. TORAL
4. KZOZE
5. DPR
6. Jackhammers
7. DB
8. KYLE
9. GOLDCOACH
10. KHAHAN
11. WG
12. TWARPY

Waiting on..

Philly

143

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:35

Im pretty sure Philly will still be in, he isnt around right now, but talked to him a few days ago.. preparing email right now.

144

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:35

JTSERB is it possible to do list the first round players for over the weekend and then just not have the clock start till monday. I imagine these players could have quite a large amount of bidding activity so it may be helpful to get their bidding started. but of course if someone wasnt around they wouldn't miss out. just a way we could get another round in early. Not sure iof this is practical as Ive never done a draft like this but could be good way to save time.

145

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:45

anyone have a email for the following?

Kzoze
Twarpy

146

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:47

For Twarpy (who has now checked in): see post 103.

147

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:53

sorry for the misprint KSOZE.. didn't mean to butcher your handle :)

148

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:15

You may want to take a look at the initial thread of our Football Auction to get an idea

149

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:28

Email sent everyone. Would anybody be against starting the draft tomorrow? Or prefer to start on a monday?

150

Kyle@work
ID: 301122210
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:33

I suggest we start the way the football league started with open bidding starting at Time X (Tomorrow 6pm CST?) and then starting the clock at 7am CST Monday.

Also I'd be willing to help keep track of who wins who in a spreadsheet to lend a hand. I work in front of a computer so I'll be here most of the time.

151

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:38

No problem JT, I just figured if you kept it up I'd call you Zerb.

152

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:42

I'm for Kyle's idea in 150.

153

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:49

i say we start tonight. if we start after 5 pm the 1st guy wont come off the clock til tomorrow noon at the earliest, but chances are it will be monday some time. everyone should post 1 player that want to put up. Clock and bidding wont start til all players are up.

154

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:52

Tomorrow sounds good with the clock starting Monday.

JT are you going to name the first 13 without bids attached or do you want everyone to name a player with a bid to start?

And now is definitely the time for any more questions and rule clarifications that could affect the draft so we can be ready for the clock Monday

155

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:55

Woah, Id be against starting tonight. I like the idea of starting tomorrow and a clock on Monday, and review the rules tonight. I understand the urgency of starting soon to be done, but theres a couple of things I'd like to look at first.

156

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:55

Sorry Wiggs, guess we posted at the same time, I can start whenever and name a player

157

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 16:59

I want everyone to post their own player. I think their is some strategy taken away If i post all 13.

And jackhammers is correct. Please everyone if any questions on the rules PLEASE ASK NOW

Wiggs I would start now, but only problem is I haven't heard from Philly today. I don't want him to be behind.

But we can have everybody post their player and their bid on him, but we will not start the clock until tomorrow at 3 pm central. How does that sound everyone?

158

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:04

we wouldnt have to start the clock tonight, but we can start posting players with no clock tonight.

159

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:34

thread for draft room

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=base&thread=19463&lastpost=1203719595

160

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:36

I'm still in. Sorry been busy

161

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:38

JT, we should move this to the standings thread.

162

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:42

good idea wiggs will move it...

163

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:45

here is the new link guys

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=basest&thread=7593&lastpost=1203720300

164

Goldcoach
ID: 439131016
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 17:50

JT I've never received any e-mails. Try this one.

165

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:22

1. I don't believe players should be posted before tomorrow or the clock should start till Monday morning. I stated before that this Sunday is the one day this preseason when I cannot be available (first half of day anyway). In addition I wish time to run projections, calculate values, and determine strategy. At the moment I'm not even sure we will have 14 teams.
Having everyone post one player with no clock for the weekend will get us off to a start anyway.

2. Just to confirm -- we're really going with a CI, an MI, and 3 OF? We'll be the only league in the world with those settings.

Toral

166

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:30

toral, need time to run projection? I dont know what you have been doing for the past month.

What difference will it make if players are posted tonight or tomorrow if there is no clock.

167

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:35

Ok, I talked to a couple members and we will start the clock on Monday 7 AM Central Time.

Tomorrow starting at 7 AM. We will allow posting of the first set of players for the auction.

There is no order of who can post everyone just needs to make sure that they post 1 player that is not already posted.

Toral, what is wrong with 1 MI, 1 CI, and 3 OF?

168

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:37

1. Re rules -- never mind. Just got e-mail with final rules.

2. wiggs -- projections change every day. And as I stated above, until a few hours ago I did not even know how many teams we are going to have in this league.

I don't know if you have noticed but the league contains managers with a wide variety of experience in the auction format. If you intend to have an attitude and make remarks like this in response to simple suggestions as to timing let me know and I will cancel out immediately.

Toral

169

Toral
ID: 575542418
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:38

Toral, what is wrong with 1 MI, 1 CI, and 3 OF?

Doesn't matter now. It's official.

170

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:41

Thanks for starting Monday, I also am pretty booked this weekend, I wont have time to throw a player out tonight, but will check the thread sometime tomorrow. Thanks for being accomodating.

171

JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:43

Yes, that is what we are going with, but just curious why the ? about it.

I have played in several leagues with that type of format

172

I hate Philadelphia
ID: 1111879
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 18:50

I'm still in. Sorry been busy

173

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 23:46

I don't know if you have noticed but the league contains managers with a wide variety of experience in the auction format. If you intend to have an attitude and make remarks like this in response to simple suggestions as to timing let me know and I will cancel out immediately.

you have got to be fricking kidding me. Are you seriously going to act like that because I asked you what the difference is? It makes absolutely NO difference if you put them up tonight or tomorrow There is no clock I think you need to relax or it will be a long season.

174

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 01:00

I just want to confirm something:
If I post up John Doe at an opening bid of $20 and nobody bids, is he then automatically on my team for $20?

175

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 01:19

yea

176

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 08:07

OK, we're off.

177

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 08:37

There was to be a thread for draft discussion, and I hope it gets started.

For follow-up bids, like in the football thread someone linked to, can we just say

Smith $21

rather than repeating all the identification information?

178

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:08

At least give first and last name for follow up bids please. And can we post new players as bold?

179

DB
ID: 291462213
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:13

Can someone tell me how to bold?

180

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:13

And can we put the team and position on new players like Jason Bay as the first post instructed?

181

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:27

to bold type [b]your text[/b] but use > for ] and < for [

182

DB
ID: 291462213
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:28

When do we know if we have won a player?

And when can we nominate a 2nd player?

183

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:29

I was just going to ask the same thing DB. How long does a player stay on the board?

184

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 09:36

I don't believe this question has been authoritatively answered but I was assuming that post 58 would govern how long a player stays on the board.

Although our clock, whatever it is, isn't starting till Monday so no one will win anybody till then.

Toral

185

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 10:38

When do we know if we have won a player?

you will win a player after they have not had a bid on them for 12 hours on the weekend or 8 hours on a weekday. The thing you need to remember is if a player is not bid on for 11 hours and 59 minutes and then someone bids on them the clock will restart for another 12 hours. This works out good because with people at work, or away for the weekend they dont miss out on players.

And when can we nominate a 2nd player

you nominate a player after winning a player. I, or someone will post

Wiggs won Babe Ruth for 1 dollar.
his remaining balance is 259 for 25 players

please nominate another player.

hope this helps.

186

DB
ID: 291462213
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 10:41

Does the clock run all night long?

187

wiggs
ID: 51013815
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 10:47

we ran the clock from 7 am - 1 am est. This worked out well. I saw jt mentioned cst. I will leave this up to him.

188

Khahan
ID: 486552412
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 13:05

Everybody PLEASE get in the habit of using FIRST and last name when bidding. Please. Right now its not affecting much. But what about when Hanley and Manny Ramirez are both up there? There are too many players that WILL be bid on that share last names.
I don't know if this is a rule or not, but its certainly not an unreasonable request.

189

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 19:07

Discussion moved to this thread in Leagues and Standings Forum

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