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Subject: Gurupie 20 2009 Preseason Discussion

  Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 09:46
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Welcome to 2009 Preseason Discussions.
 
1Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 16:59 		We have a couple guys on the waiting list who are qualified too, so if anyone decides they need help, let me know.
 
2Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 18:34 		Subject to:1 - Dice roll to determine who has the #10 and #11 picks between darkside and Species, who tied in 2008;2 - First round draft lottery to determine the top 3 picks;Following is the current draft grid for 2009 (I wonder if Jaydog noticed how many of his picks got traded?):
Pick Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Great One Great One Great One Ref Great One Great One Great One
5 blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh
10 darkside* darkside* darkside* darkside* darkside* Great One* darkside*
11 Species* Species* Species* Great One* Species* Species* Great One*
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 Tosh R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Great One Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz
16 PermDude Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked
19 blue hen Peter N. blue hen darkside Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 blue hen Ref darkside Ref blue hen Great One Ref
Round 8 Round 9 Round 10 Round 11 Round 12 Round 13 Round 14
1 PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Species Great One Ref Species Great One Jaydog darkside
5 blue hen Ref Ref blue hen blue hen Peter N. Peter N.
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh R9
10 darkside* darkside* Ref* darkside* darkside* darkside* Peter N.
11 Species* Species* Species* Species* Species* Species* Species*
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Ref Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz
16 Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked
19 Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref
bolded = traded once
bolded and italicized = traded twice
bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice
 
3blue hen
      ID: 8115717
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 23:43 		Nice. I have 7 of the first 65 picks. Anyone want to move up?
 
4Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 11:01 		RE: 2

Can probably get the tiebreak and lottery done soon.
 
5Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 13:35 		Rolling the tiebreaker now...
 
6Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 13:37 		I've got 11 picks in the first half of the draft, and am looking to package them and get up into the 1st 2 rounds.
 
7Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 13:40 		Darkside rolls: 548
Species rolls: 495

Darky gets the higher draft pick.
 
8Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 14:48 		I'm still trying to figure out how one of Species dice rolls was a 20. We are rolling ten- 10-sided dice 10 times. So on the one roll he averaged a 2!!! Talk about unlucky! That still wasn't the difference though.

I've only used this site twice now but thus far both times the first person had the highest roll. The first time it went in order even 1-2-3.
 
9Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 18:04 		boooooooooooooo

I guess I can take the *'s out :(
 
10Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:08 		Ref has asked me to prepare the draft lottery.

For those unfamiliar with the process, here is a brief recap.

1. The bottom 14 teams are each assigned selection probabilities for the lottery, defined as chances per 1000. The last place team has a 25% chance of being selected; the team 14th from the bottom has a 0.5% chance (5 per 1000). For the upcoming lottery, here are the selection probabilities (chances per 1000) assigned to each team:
PermDude 250
youngroman 200
GoatLocker 148
Great One 109
blue hen 81
Toral 59
allhair 44
Guru 32
Tosh 24
darkside 16
Species 15
Yokel 10
R9 7
Jaydog 5

2. The lottery is conducted as three sequential random "draws". The first draw will be for the top pick, then the 2nd pick, then the 3rd. All teams not selected for one of the top three picks will be assigned the 4-14 position reverse standings order.

3. The process for each draw is to simulate the random selection of four balls from a total of 14 balls, numbered from 1-14. There are 1001 such possible combinations that can be selected. One of these is predetermined to represent a "do over", and the other 1000 combinations are each pre-assigned to one of the 14 teams, in the proportions listed above. I have done this in the linked spreadsheet: http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20-Feb09-14x4_balls.xls

There are 1000 rows. Columns B,C,D, and E list the four-ball combos. Columns F&G list the team that is assigned to each combo. Once a four ball combo is drawn, it is a simple matter to look up the team that is represented by that combo. For example, if the combo is 1-10-13-14 (in any order), then the team selected is Perm Dude. (2-7-9-12 is the "do over" combo.)

3. If the second or third draw results in a duplication, then it is tossed out and done again.

4. The program for selecting the 4 ball combinations is derived from the random.org website. Here is a sample (the top 4 numbers are the only ones that matter): http://random.org/cgi-bin/randseq?min=1&max=14

The version of the program that we use sends an email confirmation to several people, so the results can be audited and verified. I wrote the program, but Ref will run it and post the results here.

 
11Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:45 		And the winner of the lottery and overall first pick is...

youngroman
 
12Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:47 		2nd pick goes to...

PD
 
13Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:48 		3rd ball is PD...rerun...
 
14Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:49 		4th ball is yr...rerun
 
15Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:49 		YR again...rerun
 
16Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:50 		yr yet again...
 
17Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:51 		you guessed it...yr again...
 
18Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:53 		8th ball PD...rerun
9th ball yr...rerun


10th ball..................GoatLocker!
 
19Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:54 		confirmed
 
20Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:55 		So for all that work, all we did was flip the 1-2 picks.
 
21Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 16:55 		So no big surprises. YR and PD flipflop places and everyone else stays put for the first round. No other rounds are affected.
 
22blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 17:08 		Booo urns. Who wants Russell Martin (or Todd Helton)?
 
23R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 18:02 		I'd take Martin if I didn't have the bestest catcher around already. Only cost me Johan Santana to get him too, bargain!

Anyone interested in taking a gamble on Duchscherer's health?
 
24Great One
      ID: 4510512113
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 19:04 		I'm still looking for a 1B and/or closer.
 
25Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 19:37 		Slugging Indians C Victor Martinez can be had for the right price.
 
26GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 21:47 		Wow, first time I haven't gotten screwed by the Lottery.
Miracles will never cease to happen.
 
27Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Wed, Feb 04, 2009, 09:06 		Sweetswinging Rangers C Jarrod Saltalamacchia can be had for the right price.
 
28blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Wed, Feb 04, 2009, 10:07 		I'm offering Todd Helton, and you guys are offering these guys? Wow. Maybe I should just keep him.
 
29Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Wed, Feb 04, 2009, 10:14 		Rotoworld Keeper rankings (both hitters/pitchers)... Victor = #74 ---- Salty = #218 ---- Helton = #242
 
30blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Wed, Feb 04, 2009, 12:00 		That's in a 5x5 league where Helton's walks don't count. Plus it's Rotoworld.
 
31Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 20:29 		I'm sure a few walks will get him up in the top 10! ;)

 
32blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 11:08 		Right, because that's what we were talking about. See the post above where I said "Helton is a top 10 keeper."
 
33Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 17:46 		bh, I was trying to exagerate for effect like you do. ;) I'm just not as good as you in that department!

I haven't even started researching baseball yet. Guess I'd better think about looking soon. Sure hope Manny has a team to play for(preferably LAD)!!!

Guru has renewed the CBS site yesterday so we could get the $30 discount.
 
34Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:39 		We had talked quite a bit in the previous thread about different things and possibilities for this season, but haven't mentioned anything since we added our new managers.

Plaque: In G24 football and G20 Hoops we have done away with the tradtion of the traveling trophy. In its place, we are buying a permanent bobblehead with a personalized engravement. It's cheaper and a lot less of a hassle! Twarpy still has the plaque for this league and will send it to me. We just bought this thing last season to upgrade it. We also get a free bobblehead from CBS (not personalized) for buying the earlybird deal. So what would hte league like to do with this situation?

As far as schedule goes, I haven't started looking yet. I'm assuming it will be similar to last season. Our drafts are normally blazing fast so I'll try to put it on the same schedule as before and still try to build a day (or two) into the schedule in case something happens and we get behind.

Also, I've not started looking at prospects yet to check for eligibility. If any prospect is ineligible, they will be added to your team and removed from your prospect list. Then you can declare them as one of your keepers or drop.
 
35Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:28 		The season starts quite a bit later this season--prob. due to WRC. So we will be able to draft later this season. I know a couple people will be relieved to know that as they had planned to be gone during the time we drafted last season.
 
36blue hen
      ID: 351241510
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 10:33 		I want to BUTT this thread for reasons that will be apparent later.
 
37blue hen
      ID: 8115717
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 15:55 		Trade Announcement

Blue Hen receives:
Beastiemiked's 13th round pick
Jonathan Sanchez, SP, SFO

Beastiemiked receives:
Ref's 5th round pick (previously acquired in the Soria deal)
 
38beastiemiked
      ID: 40155223
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 19:13 		Confirmed.
 
39blue hen
      ID: 8115717
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 22:42 		Still looking to make some deals. Helton and Dewitt might be two hitters of interest, and Arroyo could help your pitching.
 
40Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 10:17 		GO acquires
Haren
CoCo Crisp
12.15 pick

Slizz acquires
Bedard
Dukes
5.04 pick
 
41Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 10:27 		Confirmed.
 
42Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 13:09 		Nice trade for both. Dukes a reasonable gambit for Slizz, a potential ace (if healthy) in Bedard and a draft pick upgrade. GO gets stability in his ace pitcher.
 
43Great One
      ID: 31112109
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 13:16 		Still looking to move a few others... Dice-K, Sizemore, Wang all on the block. Looking for a good young 1B and a closer (or closer upgrade in a deal with Hanrahan).
 
44Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 13:54 		Yea...thats the way we saw it as well.

I filled out my roster and he stabilized his staff with Haren.

Win/Win for both sides.

 
45blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 14:00 		Highway robbery. Great One wins this in a landslide (although the pick does even it out a bit).
 
46Great One
      ID: 31112109
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 14:13 		Ref got a 5th for Jon Sanchez?! highway robbery!! that guys sucks!!!

Slizz, since you don't know Blue Hen yet, you should know he disagrees with everybody and has a really out of whack ranking system relative to the rest of the world.

 
47blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 14:40 		No, bmd got Ref's 5th for Sanchez. I had Ref's 5th for Soria. That guy sucks. Now if bmd had said Sanchez is available for a mid-level pick, I'd have known Sanchez sucks, but I didn't.

Haren is MUCH better than Bedard, especially considering league and health, and I put Crisp ahead of Dukes. Pretty out of whack, I guess.
 
48Great One
      ID: 31112109
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 15:10 		Yeah, we just threw Crisp in, nobody planned to keep him on either side of the deal unless the rest of my offense breaks their legs next week. Dukes IS a 25 year old keeper with 20/20 potential. I've got him the #31 OF ahead of Magglio Ordonez and Corey Hart and Vernon Wells.
 
49Great One
      ID: 31112109
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 15:14 		Yes Haren is healthier than Bedard at the moment, but Slizz is thinking long term and is betting Bedard comes back around to form after he shakes off the rust early in the season. When both are healthy, Bedard is better.
And as far as your league idea, that gets cancelled out by the fact that Haren pitches in a major hitters ballpark and Bedard pitches at Safeco. Those two stadiums where they pitch half their games are at opposite ends of the spectrum (source: Rotoworld's Park Factoring Chart).
 
50Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 16:26 		In what way, shape, or form is Crisp better than Elijah Dukes?

I really would like to know?

Dukes, with nearly 100 less AB's, had more HR's, a better OB%, more RBIs, more HR's, almost as much runs, and steals bases at the same rate as Crisp. I anticipate that he will be even better this year considering he will be sandwiched somewhere between Zimmerman/Dunn/Milledge.

Yes, i'm in the tank for the guy as I was hoping the Rays would keep him but I think he has a solid top 100 overall players type year. Worst case scenario is Alex Rios IMHO.

Bedard, while he is a higher risk and a downgrade from Haren, I think he could put up comparable stats...and he's in his contract year. Never underestimate that.

I'm happy with it...

 
51Great One
      ID: 31112109
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 16:33 		In 81 games - Dukes had 13 HR's, 13 SB's, 44 RBI and 48 Runs with .385 OBP...
 
52blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 16:52 		The year before, Dukes hit .190. I'm not sold. On Bedard either - those stadiums are just home games; Bedard has to face a DH in every game (except interleague).

Whatever, it sounds like you're both happy with the deal, which is how deals should work.
 
53Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 17:55 		I completely agree with you on Bedard...hes a huge risk pitching in the AL vs the NL West...but you have to give a little to get a little. If Bedard can return to his 2007 form, I believe I will be fine.

Afterall, he was a stud pitching in the AL East :)

Dukes is gonna be that out of nowhere stud, kind of like Nate McLouth.

 
54Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 23:45 		RE 37 and 40, Trades Approved. BH please let me know who youw ant to drop. I have turned on trades--commish approved so you can do them on the site. Once draft is over, it will be back to voting process and 1 Day + wait.

I have been swamped lately, Should slow down soon.
 
55blue hen
      ID: 8115717
      Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 00:46 		Go ahead and drop Grabow. Whoever owns Matt Capps, I sincerely apologize for the injury he's about to have.
 
56Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 00:27 		Got some guys On the Block. Not sure who my final keepers will be just yet. May depend on what kind of offers I get.
 
57Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 14:03 		Keepers were due March 12th last year. The seasons starts a few days later this year so we can probably go later than that.
 
58Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Mar 02, 2009, 18:32 		Latest draft grid with two February trades:
Pick Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Great One Great One Great One Ref Slizz Great One Great One
5 blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh
10 darkside darkside darkside darkside darkside Great One* darkside
11 Species Species Species Great One Species Species Great One
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 Tosh R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Great One Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz
16 PermDude Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked
19 blue hen Peter N. blue hen darkside Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 blue hen Ref darkside Ref beastiemiked Great One Ref
Round 8 Round 9 Round 10 Round 11 Round 12 Round 13 Round 14
1 PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Species Great One Ref Species Great One Jaydog darkside
5 blue hen Ref Ref blue hen blue hen Peter N. Peter N.
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh R9
10 darkside darkside Ref darkside darkside darkside Peter N.
11 Species Species Species Species Species Species Species
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Ref Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Great One Slizz Slizz
16 Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked blue hen beastiemiked
19 Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref
bolded = traded once
bolded and italicized = traded twice
bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice
 
59Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 10:37 		So the season starts 11 day later this year. Last year's draft took just over 9 days for the 14 rounds and 280 picks. So we can likely start the draft somewhere around the 23rd or 24th with keepers due a couple days before that. Probably would not have Keepers due on a Fri or Sat. So perhaps even they could be due at 11:59 pm on a Sunday night for a Tuesday the 24th start date? However the 24th is the last possible date we should start. If it takes say 10 days, we could get Waivers run one full time before opening day. There are only two games that day.

Anyone have an opinion about that time frame?

 
60Great One
      ID: 46215212
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 12:59 		That all sounds pretty good to me. Sunday night 3/22/09 at 11:59 PM, right?
 
61blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 13:22 		Works for me. I hope this goes fast.
 
62GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 14:40 		Works for me too.
 
63youngroman
      Donor
      ID: 02934823
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 14:45 		re 58: I think I won the lottery for #1 pick overall.

the timeframe is ok for me.
 
64Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 17:21 		Oops.
Pick Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 youngroman PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 PermDude youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Great One Great One Great One Ref Slizz Great One Great One
5 blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen blue hen
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh
10 darkside darkside darkside darkside darkside Great One* darkside
11 Species Species Species Great One Species Species Great One
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 Tosh R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Great One Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz
16 PermDude Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked
19 blue hen Peter N. blue hen darkside Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 blue hen Ref darkside Ref beastiemiked Great One Ref
Round 8 Round 9 Round 10 Round 11 Round 12 Round 13 Round 14
1 PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude PermDude
2 youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman youngroman
3 GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker GoatLocker
4 Species Great One Ref Species Great One Jaydog darkside
5 blue hen Ref Ref blue hen blue hen Peter N. Peter N.
6 Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral Toral
7 allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair allhair
8 Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru Guru
9 Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh Tosh R9
10 darkside darkside Ref darkside darkside darkside Peter N.
11 Species Species Species Species Species Species Species
12 Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel Yokel
13 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9 R9
14 Jaydog Jaydog Ref Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog Jaydog
15 Slizz Slizz Slizz Slizz Great One Slizz Slizz
16 Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy Twarpy
17 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21 bj21
18 beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked beastiemiked blue hen beastiemiked
19 Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N. Peter N.
20 Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref Ref
bolded = traded once
bolded and italicized = traded twice
bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice
 
65blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 17:30 		Please italicize 5.20: Soria and Sanchez.
 
66Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 12:32 		Done on my sheet - thanks. Will post after more deals or closer to the draft.
 
67mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 21:19 		Trade

blackjackis21/mjd acquire GO's 11th pick in the 4th round

GO acquires Conor Jackson and our last round pick
 
68Great One
      ID: 46215212
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 09:44 		Confirmed and agreed on CBS
 
69Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 09:47 		The CBS deal doesn't mention the return pick in the last round. Normally that would be final, but since it was mentioned here, I assume this is the one you want.
 
70Great One
      ID: 46215212
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 10:17 		yep, 4.11 for 14.17 i guess it is?
 
71beastiemiked
      ID: 40155223
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 11:31 		I've called up Ian Stewart twice but he is under the original threshold for abs. Is he still considered a prospect or will I have to use a keeper slot on him.

From the rules it sounds like he's still considered a prospect and I can keep him without using a keeper spot.

Managers may call-up and then OPTION (send down) their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.

 
72Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 12:17 		Hmmmmmmmm.

When you called him up last, he basically stayed on your active roster last year until the end, correct?

I guess you could officially "send him down" to the prospect list for a 2nd time as allowed in the rules and keep him as a prospect. I'd like to hear other opinions but I think bmd's interpretation is accurate.
 
73Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 12:45 		LOL, I was just coming here to say we are going to go through every prospect to see if they qualify to remain on the prosepct list. Those who don't will be taken off the prospect list and will be put on that player's team so he may use one of his keeper slots on him if he wishes.

Before the season at the keeper deadline and then again at the prospect keeper draft deadline, 7 days before the draft (8 days before the ASG), all hitters must have less than 300 ABs (400 if drafted in Rds 1-5) and pitchers less than 110 IP (100 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or 40 GP (50 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.

As the rules apply to Ian Stewart, bmd is correct. He was drafted in round 3 and is grandfathered under the original rules. He has been called up twice and since he has not hit the AB threshold, he is entitled to be sent down (salary added) after last season. The next time he is called up, he will lose his prospect status (or hits 400 ABs while and not called up at our midseason deadline).
 
74Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 12:54 		When the site wipes all non-keepers it also wipes all salaries. So we will ahve to re-add them before the draft. It doubles the work, but w/o a taxi squad or anything to save them--the only other way is to manually add and drop players.
 
75blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 13:15 		I am looking to deal Elvis Andrus or David Price. You'll be able to keep those guys without using up a keeper.

I'm also looking to trade Ryan Theriot. A middle infielder with speed.
 
76Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 15:04 		I haven't decided who my 9 keepers will be just yet. I have at least 15 guys I'm choosing from--though I have since narrowed it down to less than that at this point. I've had discussions but have made no offers yet nor countered anyone yet because it is so wide-open on my final 9 at this point.

I have pretty much decided that I can't keep three closers--so thta would mean that F. Cordero will likely be traded. Still trying to figure out about Hafner, Headley, Ibanez, etc.
 
77Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 16:10 		Species and I have went through all prospects.

We've added salaries to about 15-20 guys--including guys who were called up but still have prospect eligibility.

There are about 7 guys who were very close to hitting the threshold but still legal (Kershaw was 2.3 IPs away for instance).

In the end, we didn't find any players who had lost their prospect eligibility.
 
78Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 16:34 		I went ahead and put the keeper policy on the site. As of now the keepers will be due by end of day Sun 3/22. We have 9 keepers.

I am going to try and figure out if we can add our prosepcts to the keeper total to see if we don't have to re-assign the salaries. My guess is that we will keep it as is and re-add salaries to all prospects on Mon 3/23.

Man a taxi squad like the added for football would be great for our prospects. But I've asked for that for 6 seasons at least and they've refused to listen. Wish I could get a message to the programmers instead of the lame support staff at CBS.

As it stands now, Draft would start sometime around Noon on Tues. March 24th.
 
79 Peter N.
      ID: 4910362617
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 21:28 		GO, I just saw your offer on CBS. Very interesting. I'll get back to you by the end of the weekend. Also, I hardly ever check my hotmail address anymore and have included my gmail.
 
80Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 05, 2009, 22:59 		Talking it over, we may put prospects on the team and add them to your keepers. You can only keep 9 plus your prospects. The most anyone has is 4 so it would be 13 max for bh, less than that for the rest of us. Then we could jsut keep them on our teams through the draft to make that easier as well. Still your draft would be over once you hit 23 regular players. Just easier to do it this way then have to find the players and add salary all over again.
 
81Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 08:56 		bh - whats the price on price?
 
82blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 10:52 		As you can imagine, lots of people are asking about Price. And that makes sense - we all saw him in the ALCS. And you don't have to drop anyone to keep him. So I'm looking for someone who would be the cornerstone of my franchise, someone who will team with Braun to bring home the bacon for a long time.
 
83Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 11:03 		of course...do you see anyone on my team that you'd like?
 
84blue hen
      Dude
      ID: 710321114
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 11:19 		That's tough Slizz. Your team is young and growing. It might have to be two players. Think of something and shoot me an email.
 
85GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 18:56 		OK, just starting to look.
Might be a case where every single player I own is available.
If you think there is somebody you want let me know.

Had a couple of emails, and just got them answered.

Cliff
 
86Great One
      ID: 4425722
      Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 18:32 		"We've got two goals in the G20," Obama said, "the first is to make sure that there is concerted action around the globe to jump-start the economy. The second goal is to make sure that we are moving forward on a regulatory reform agenda."
 
87Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 11:34 		Man, GO needs his baseball fix badly.
 
88Great One
      ID: 46215212
      Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 13:18 		You should be proud that our President is preparing for G20!

He does play fantasy sports!

 
89Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 12, 2009, 23:21 		Great article. Thanks.
 
90Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 14:02 		I have had some inquiries but I haven't even decided who I am keeping for sure. Injuries and depth chart is ahaky for some.

As of now here is were I am:

Keeping
DLee 1b
Roberts 2b
Hanley SS
Manny OF
Soria RP
Marmol or F. Cordero RP

Keeping 3 of these players and at least 2 will likely be SP:
Shoppach C
Hafner DH
Headley OF
Cantu 1b/3b
Ibanez OF
Marmol or F. Cordero RP
E. Santana SP
J. Weaver SP
C. Zambrano SP
Pelfrey SP

I will consider 2 for 1s or even 3 for 1s or possibly draft picks--depending on the player.
 
91Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 16:40 		Post 59:

So the season starts 11 day later this year. Last year's draft took just over 9 days for the 14 rounds and 280 picks. So we can likely start the draft somewhere around the 23rd or 24th with keepers due a couple days before that. Probably would not have Keepers due on a Fri or Sat. So perhaps even they could be due at 11:59 pm on a Sunday night for a Tuesday the 24th start date? However the 24th is the last possible date we should start. If it takes say 10 days, we could get Waivers run one full time before opening day. There are only two games that day.

We should finalize keeper due dates and draft start. Is there a reason Friday keepers is somehow undesirable? Why not have Keepers Friday and start the draft on Sunday or Monday?
 
92Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 17, 2009, 18:12 		There are people who are out of town this week. Too late to make them due earlier now. We will be fine if we keep close to our usual pace.
 
93Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 12:10 		We've had no responses about the plaque [34]. Also no rule change proposals have been made. Anything affecting the players, prospects (also can be made before midseason deadline), game, etc. need to be made before keepers are due.
 
94Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 12:18 		Will we be posting keepers at the forum, or just tagging them as keepers on the CBS site?
 
95Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 12:28 		Keeper Thread

Started working on it right after I posted. Need to be posted in the keeper thread as well as marked on the site in case of a discrepency and the thread will be the only way to save it for historical perspective. I know I like to go through and look at them.
 
96 beastiemiked
      ID: 40155223
      Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 18:24 		As of now I'm keeping

Jose Reyes

Papelbon

Berkman

Verlander

Zimmerman

Cueto

Dempster

Lilly

Werth

Outside looking in

Carpenter

Thome

Hoffman

Ankiel

Cust

Having a real tough time deciding between my last few keepers. I'd be looking to part with just about anyone except Reyes, Papelbon and berkman for a reasonable offer.

 
97Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 09:25 		Available as keepers in trade or for draft choices:

Adrian Beltre
Howie Kendrick
Denard Span
Kerry Wood

Might reade for younger player:

Carlos Beltran
 
98Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 13:06 		bj21 has had to turn the team over to co-owner mjd. He has not been able to contribute and doesn't forsee much ability to do so in the next few months. He may be able to stay on as co-manager for now, but the team is mjd's.
 
99Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 17:14 		Don't forget to mark your keepers on CBS site too!
 
100 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 15:12 		I sensed that bj21 was going to leave most of the team
responsibility to me due to his time constraints and I am
prepared to declare keepers on time and have been prepping for
the daft. As a member of G24, I'm well aware of how fast the
draft will move. I don't anticipate any problems.

Please keep bj21 on as co-owner, at least for a while, as I'm
moving in mid to late April. I'll be arranging for a seamless
transition with internet access and the like, but the local cable
high speed internet service provider is not known for their great
customer service.
 
101allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 22:11
Are we still looking at 12 noon on 3/24 as a draft start time?
 
102Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 23:45 		yes

Because Species sent two prospect along with Wells for Chipper, I needed to add another keeper spot and a roster spot for GL's prospects for keeper/draft purposes only. No rules are being changed.
 
103blue hen
      ID: 8115717
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 01:58 		Reminder:

Before the season at the keeper deadline and then again at the prospect keeper draft deadline, 7 days before the draft (8 days before the ASG), all hitters must have less than 300 ABs (400 if drafted in Rds 1-5) and pitchers less than 110 IP (100 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or 40 GP (50 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.

I got a couple inquiries about Price and Andrus, who weren't kept. Both are prospects according to these rules.
 
104R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 02:24 		Anyone thinking more longterm and who has interest in Mauer, drop me a line.
 
105 Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 07:53 		Adrian Beltre and my 12 round d.c. available for your 2nd round d.c.

Will take best offer (highest pick)in inbox after church (about 12:30 Eastern) or first offer received thereafter.
 
106Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 11:46 		I can't self-edit my post in the keeper declaration thread. That was on a different computer and I didn't reset my ID on that one. I will not be back on that computer until Monday.
 
107Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 12:52 		Is it possible to list the difference if a change is made to an originally submitted list. I would rather just read that Vernon Wells is no longer a keeper ... rather than have to go through my sheets and try to figure it out. Thanks.
 
108Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 13:34 		It's funny how many times some of these players have been traded. Bedard and Wells have both been traded yet again and both spend time on my team too.
 
109Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 16:29 		[106] I whacked the older Species post.
 
110Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 00:01 		Changed my mind at the lats minute and decided to keep Ervin afterall. His injury scares me though.

Looks like bmd is the only one not to declare keeps. Havne't checked CBS yet.
 
111beastiemiked
      ID: 40155223
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 00:07 		Give me a second. Pretty sure I'm keeping the 9 I posted in this thread earlier though.
 
112Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 00:09 		Need to mark keepers for R9 and Slizz too on CBS. Going to switch it off auto so it doesn't drop all their players before we can mark them.
 
113Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 00:43 		jaydog and yokel had unmarked their prospects. I think everyone else's was ok though.

Keepers processed. Please check your rosters.
 
114GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 08:57 		Mine looks good to go.
 
115Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:54 		Jaydog should have Corey Hart, and not Randy Johnson.
 
116Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:33 		Switched Jaydog's keepers and added Chipper to Species'.

This happens every season and I'm glad we have the keeper discussion thread. Better sign of intent then messing up a check box or forgetting to save on the site.
 
117Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 13:29 		Guru and I have discussed it and we have made an executive decision to abandon the traveling plaque in this league like we have done in our other leagues. In the other two, we purchase a bobblehead for teh champ which is drop shipped from the company with the winner's info engraved on it. We just ask that the winner take a pic of it and email it to me.

In this league we have gotten a free league bobblehead as part of our early bird special entry fee. So it only costs us shipping to the winner. We have money on file from past year(s), so our dues would only have to cover the site nad the prize pool. Since the shipping will be pretty close to the same every season, Guru will have a much easier time figuring out how much to assess each of us. Having the funds combine now should make things a little easier for him and save everyone at least a buck or two/year.

If CBS stops sending us the bobblehead, we can start dropshipping the bobblehead like we do the other sites.
 
118Great One
      ID: 46215212
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 14:05 		You know I love the bobblehead, plus we get to keep it, so thats a bonus.
 
119beastiemiked
      ID: 40155223
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 19:12 		Let's get the draft up and start rolling.

Really sad that the only guy that I got anything for was Sanchez. I'm guessing at least 5 of my guys go in the 1st 2 rounds.

 
120R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 19:35 		There was alot of pre-draft trade chatter, but it seems like everyone had a solid keeper group already. Was tough to find matches that fit.
 
121darkside
      ID: 151582717
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 21:32 		The Rotoguru site is blocked at my work (luckily I can at least follow the draft using Guru's mirror site). There is one computer I can use, so I will do that when I can, but I may be sending queues to people. Thanks in advance to anyone that helps out.
 
122Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Mar 24, 2009, 01:48 		Draft Discussion

Draft Thread

We will now switch our discussion to the draft discussion thread in the baseball leagues forum.

The draft is open and the clocks will start officially at Noon.