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| Posted by: Great One
- [240562110] Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 12:34
Hello everyone and welcome to new The Dirty Dozen!
Khahan left us a great league behind and I look forward to handling things from here on out. I wrote up a small league rules page so everything is in one place. I'll email my address seperately for anyone mailing checks. I tweaked payouts so kafenatid is just worked in, and down to 3rd place gets their money back.
The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $10 (Due by Opening Day)
Keeper Deadline will be the last day of February each year
7 keepers
Payouts = 120 pot
1st Place 80
2nd Place 20
3rd Place 10
Kafenatid 10
Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.
Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends) |
| | | 1 | Great One
ID: 240562110
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 12:35
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Please confirm you plan to return in 2010.
We need to find a new manager to take over Khahan's spot, he left a pretty good team behind. Anyone reading this that has interest please email me.
Keeper Deadline = Sunday 2/28 at midnight
Keepers will be entered on Monday 3/1 and draft can begin after all keepers are entered. We'll go untimed for the first round so we know everyone is aware and up and running on Kafenatid.
previous Dirty Dozen thread
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| | | 2 | Great One
ID: 240562110
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 12:43
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FYI - I added the UT spot.
Is the below the only pending trade? Thats all I see.
If anyone makes any trades from here on out, can we please copy and paste the below along with it? that way we always have a running list.
2010 Trades Pending
Da Bomb trades: JA Happ + 2010 5th rd pick
Astade trades: Kevin Correja + 2010 4th rd pick
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| | | 4 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 14:05
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Yeah, I'll be in. Pretty sure I don't have to go by Polkaroo this year.
I also looked at my team recently, and am looking to trade this combo: Matt Cain and Heath Bell. In return, I want the best hitter I can get.
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| | | 5 | Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 14:57
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GO,
I thought there were more trades than that involving picks. However, checking back in my inbox for the dirty dozen I do not find any. So email wise, it looks like that is it. And there was a standing rule that trades involving picks should be emailed in.
Just checking in and thought I'd help out w/ any info I had on trades. Good luck to all this year.
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| | | 6 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 15:15
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Thanks Khahan for checking. Thats all we both see then so probably right.
If anyone else thought they had a trade somewhere its now up to them to find it and it get posted.
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| | | 7 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 15:18
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**This just in, Lance Berkman had 2 SB's taken away from his 2009 totals. After further review they were changed to fielder indifference.
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| | | 8 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 15:20
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heh.
I'm in.
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| | | 9 | Great One
ID: 240562110
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 15:49
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First look...
GO's Keepers
CC Sabathia
Johan Santana
Josh Beckett
Jon Lester
Prince Fielder
Jason Bay
Dustin Pedroia
GO's Extra's for sale
I'll beat my competitor's best prices and will sell for simple mid round picks swaps!
Chone Figgins
Pablo Sandoval
Alexei Ramirez
Brian Wilson
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| | | 10 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 20:50
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I would be interested in taking over khahans team (or any other open ones). Great One you said to email but you didnt leave it in this thread.
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| | | 11 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 00:49
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Checking in. i'm ready for another season and will hopefully finish in the money. Still sore that after all my late season changes, I moved down the totem pole.
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| | | 12 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 08:53
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Posting interest here is fine too, I also got a couple emails about it. So what we'll do is establish some candidates over the next couple weeks and go from there. Then I'll announce the leagues choice say the Monday after the Super Bowl (to give the new guy a few weeks to sort things out before the keeper deadline).
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| | | 13 | barilko6
ID: 29028229
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 10:30
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re: 7 Glad it happened in the off season! I would have hated for that to jeopardize my third place finish!!!!
I am in, and most likely looking to acquire a 7th keeper. I would be offering a draft pick.
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| | | 14 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 12:13
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Unfortunately I think I am going to have to pull myself out of this league this season.
I am having some major life event going on right now-
1st and most important we will be officially adopting our foster don this spring, I will be spending alot of time with him.
I will be having back surgery for my bad discs
I am taking masters courses and working.
I just do not think I will be able to put the effort in all my leagues this season so I had to pick a couple.
I really enjoyed my time in this league and hope that when things cool down if there is an opening in the future you will consider allowing me back in the league.
Thank you to all
Wiggs
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| | | 15 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 12:35
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A foster don! Sweet!
:)
[congrats. Really]
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| | | 16 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 13:41
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Dam pd- I blame the computer- They shouldnt put the s and the d so close together :)
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| | | 17 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 14:31
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Wiggs and The Don... sounds like a Mafia movie.
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| | | 18 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sun, Jan 24, 2010, 10:20
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i'm in this league, right? lol.
with the exception of Hanley Ramirez, everyone else on my roster is open for trade.
interested in draft picks or a multi-player deal. let's get some Hot Stove league action happening!
Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
Brian Roberts (Bal - 2B)
Nick Markakis (Bal - OF)
Josh Hamilton (Tex - OF)
Andre Ethier (LAD - OF)
Kendry Morales (LAA - 1B,OF)
Shane Victorino (Phi - OF)
Tommy Hanson (Atl - SP)
Jake Peavy (CWS - SP)
Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
Russell Martin (LAD - C,3B)
A.J. Pierzynski (CWS - C)
Denard Span (Min - OF)
Dan Uggla (Fla - 2B)
John Danks (CWS - SP)
Edwin Jackson (Ari - SP)
Ubaldo Jiménez (Col - SP)
Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
Huston Street (Col - RP)
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| | | 19 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Jan 24, 2010, 13:55
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As of right not my keepers would be:
Arod
Jose Reyes
Brandon Phillips
Joey Votto
Roy Halladay
Justin Verlander
Brandon WebbThe following can be had very easily:
Torii Hunter
Jason Kubel
Matt Wieters
Scott Kazmir
Rich Harden
Also, the payouts look different than in years past. I think 3rd place should make some money. I propose:
1st: $70
2nd: $25
3rd: $15
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| | | 20 | loki
ID: 3611592911
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 13:39
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I am looking forward to my 2nd season.
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| | | 21 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 13:52
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Keepers:
Albert Pujols
Justin Upton
Carl Crawford
Others:
Adam Dunn
Billy Butler
Matt Cain
Chad Billingsley
Jonathan Broxton
Heath Bell
Octavio Dotel
Brad Lidge
Eric Bedard
Matt LaPorta
Ian Stewart
Alex Rios
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| | | 22 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 13:54
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Regarding the prizes, I was just trying to keep in multiples of 10 for bookkeeping purposes, like if Blue Hen got 3rd (a pipe dream I know!), he'd get 10 and then he'd just be covered for next season. Limiting leftover balances, as well as $ that need to be mailed either way. I don't think anyone would really be all that excited for the extra $5, they are just happy they had a free season.
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| | | 23 | barilko6
ID: 400312513
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 14:31
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As the winner of this year's free season, I agree. The extra $5 would probably just have been rolled over to 2011. No need to send me a cheque for $5.
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| | | 24 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:06
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What's a cheque?
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| | | 25 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:18
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I think they live near Russia.
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| | | 26 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:32
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In the 90s they were the baddies of every other action film. The took over Air Force One, if I recall correctly. Luckily Harrison Ford was president then.
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| | | 27 | barilko6
ID: 400312513
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:52
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Elmer Valo
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| | | 28 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:53
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And Barilko wouldn't want one for just $5?! He's really passing up a great deal. But I know in Canada they are all about peace and no guns and stuff, so I guess I understand.
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| | | 29 | barilko6
ID: 400312513
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 15:54
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Unless the bad ass is familiar with slingshots, kayaks, and snowballs, his fighting skills are useless in Canada.
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| | | 30 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 16:36
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I think I'd rather put my money on the R.C.M.P.
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| | | 31 | GoldCoach
ID: 893426
Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 08:59
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I would be interested in taking Wiggs' place until he wants back in. Can you direct me to rules costs etc...???
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| | | 32 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 22:30
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I agree w/ posts 22 and 23. 5 bucks just isn't worth the hassle. keep it simple.
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| | | 33 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 23:32
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I'm in you losers.
I actually sat there trying to figure out what a foster don was for a few moments.
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| | | 34 | barilko6
ID: 56054276
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 07:55
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Upon further thinking, I am starting to really dislike Da Bomb's idea as I just realized it would take $10 off of my 1st place winnings next October.
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| | | 35 | Great One
ID: 46051211
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 09:50
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Speaking of keeping it simple, we've got our managers filled, I flipped a coin, teams have been assigned and they are now free to trade.
I'll post their rosters shortly for them. Please welcome Slizz and DPR to the Dirty Dozen!...
Slizz will be taking over Khahan's squad.
dpr will be taking over Wiggs' squad
Wiggs gets first option on the the waiting list should he have the opportunity to return, Goldcoach - we'll keep you in mind as well should the opportunity arise. Thanks everyone. Lets get this season rolling. We've got about a month til keepers are due.
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| | | 36 | Great One
ID: 280112612
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 10:08
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Team Slizz
Furcal
Adrian Gonzalez (SD)
Hafner
Aaron Hill
Adam Jones
Longoria
Y.Molina
Manny Ramirez
BJ Upton
J.Werth
Willingham
M.Capps
Joba C.
Gallardo
Haren
Felix
Hoffman
Meche
B.Myers
R.Soriano
Wainwright
Jered Weaver
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| | | 37 | Great One
ID: 280112612
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 10:08
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Team DPR
Bobby Abreu
Garrett Atkins
Clint Barmes
A.Cabrera
C.Granderson
Ian Kinsler
Konerko
Derrek Lee
McCutchen
Posada
M.Reynolds
Vernon Wells
Blanton
De la Rosa
Zach Duke
Gavin Floyd
Jenks
Lackey
F.Liriano
E. Mujica
C. Marmol
Ramon Ramirez
Joe Saunders
E. Volquez
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| | | 38 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 11:36
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Thanks for having me in the league guys.
Excited to see my roster. I will likely be looking to make some trades but preliminarily I like Kinsler, reynolds, granderson and mccutcheon as keepers. Likely followed by lackey lee and abreu. I will try to improve those last 3 ideally.
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| | | 39 | Great One
ID: 8047279
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 11:43
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I've got some interest in Lackey myself, but I'm overloaded on pitching as it is. If I can figure out a reshuffle I'd probably come after him.
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| | | 40 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 11:52
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A lackey, beckett, lester 1-2-3 would be quite amusing, and strong.
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| | | 41 | Great One
ID: 8047279
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 11:54
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I had Dice-K and Bucholz before last year too lol... so its pretty much what I had, the whole rotation sans Wakefield.
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| | | 42 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 11:54
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btw, when out of your 3 strongest keepers Reynolds has the best BA thats not a good sign. Some great power/speed combos though.
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| | | 43 | Great One
ID: 8047279
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 12:06
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Kinsler has AVG, no?
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| | | 44 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 12:11
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hopefully this year. He hit .253 last year.
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| | | 45 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 12:51
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Two trades to announce haha
TRADE
Sandoval
GO's 10th Round
for
DPR's 5th Round
Weiters
Da Bombs 10th Round
for
DPRs 6th Round
New Keepers:
Kinsler
Reynolds
Granderson
Sandoval
McCutcheon
Lackey
Weiters
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| | | 46 | barilko6
ID: 80572710
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 12:54
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Nice to see DPR hitting the ground running!
Blue Hen might not have any competition for that last place spot this year.
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| | | 47 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 13:01
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Dang, GO got a better pick in return? ;) Add Vladimir Guerrero to my list of available players in post 19.
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| | | 48 | Great One
ID: 280112612
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 14:15
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2010 Trades Pending
Da Bomb trades: JA Happ + 2010 5th rd pick
Astade trades: Kevin Correja + 2010 4th rd pick
Sandoval + GO's 10th Round
for
DPR's 5th Round
Weiters + Da Bombs 10th Round
for
DPRs 6th Round
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| | | 49 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 20:12
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Sandoval? Man. I should start putting players on the block. Billy Butler anyone?
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| | | 50 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 20:46
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i need to get in on this action.
spin the wheel, make a deal. the following players are available:
Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
Brian Roberts (Bal - 2B)
Nick Markakis (Bal - OF)
Josh Hamilton (Tex - OF)
Andre Ethier (LAD - OF)
Kendry Morales (LAA - 1B,OF)
Shane Victorino (Phi - OF)
Tommy Hanson (Atl - SP)
Jake Peavy (CWS - SP)
Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
Russell Martin (LAD - C,3B)
A.J. Pierzynski (CWS - C)
Denard Span (Min - OF)
Dan Uggla (Fla - 2B)
John Danks (CWS - SP)
Edwin Jackson (Ari - SP)
Ubaldo Jiménez (Col - SP)
Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
Huston Street (Col - RP)
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| | | 51 | astade
ID: 118611
Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 20:46
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I have alot of guys that are on the trading block. I think a few of them are borderline, but just check out my relievers! :)
Email with any offers including player swaps draft picks:Lance Berkman (Hou - 1B)
Michael Bourn (Hou - OF)
Robinson Canó (NYY - 2B)
Johnny Damon (NYY - OF)
Víctor Martínez (Bos - C,1B)
Carlos Peña (TB - 1B) Andrew Bailey (Oak - RP)
Cole Hamels (Phi - SP)
J.A. Happ (Phi - SP,RP)
Josh Johnson (Fla - SP)
Hiroki Kuroda (LAD - SP)
Roy Oswalt (Hou - SP)
Andy Pettitte (NYY - SP)
Chad Qualls (Ari - RP)
Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP)
Francisco Rodríguez (NYM - RP)
James Shields (TB - SP)
Carlos Zambrano
Barry Zito (SF - SP)
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| | | 52 | Slizz
ID: 590452821
Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 22:46
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wow. thats alot of pitchers :)
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| | | 53 | Slizz
ID: 590452821
Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 22:55
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My last keeper as of now comes down to Aaron Hill, Manny Ramirez, Jayson Werth, or Yovani Gallardo. Let me know if any of the above interest you guys.
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| | | 54 | barilko6
ID: 18010297
Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 08:10
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I am looking for 2b, 3b, or starting pitcher. Willing to move a draft pick to make it happen.
Let me know what pick you are looking for in your offer.
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| | | 55 | Great One
ID: 280112612
Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 08:44
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2010 Trades Pending
Da Bomb trades: JA Happ + 2010 5th rd pick
Astade trades: Kevin Correja + 2010 4th rd pick
Sandoval + GO's 10th Round
for
DPR's 5th Round
Weiters + Da Bombs 10th Round
for
DPRs 6th Round
(found from last year)
Bay/Wilson/wiggs11th for Kinsler/McCutchen/GO's 3rd
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| | | 56 | barilko6
ID: 35032299
Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 10:32
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Hey Blue Hen...
You know that you are allowed to trade some of your picks to get 7 real keepers right?
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| | | 57 | Great One
ID: 8047279
Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 11:23
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Barilko, why are you worried about what BH is doing when you know neither of you can compete with me anyway?
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| | | 58 | barilko6
ID: 110232916
Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 17:23
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BH promised me Yankees tickets if I beat him this year.
True story.
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| | | 59 | Great One
ID: 9033110
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 11:42
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Peter N's roster
Jermaine Dye (CWS - OF) 126/503 78 27 81 0 .250
Derek Jeter (NYY - SS) 212/634 107 18 66 30 .334
Justin Morneau (Min - 1B) 139/508 85 30 100 0 .274
Mike Napoli (LAA - C) 104/382 60 20 56 3 .272
David Ortiz (Bos - 1B) 129/541 77 28 99 0 .238
Carlos Quentin (CWS - OF) 83/351 47 21 56 3 .236
Aramis Ramírez (ChC - 3B) 97/306 46 15 65 2 .317
Juan Rivera (LAA - OF) 152/529 72 25 88 0 .287
Alfonso Soriano (ChC - OF) 115/477 64 20 55 9 .241
Kevin Youkilis (Bos - 1B,3B) 150/491 99 27 94 7 .305
Ben Zobrist (TB - 2B,SS,OF) 149/501 91 27 91 17 .297
Brad Bergesen (Bal - SP) 123.1 7 0 65 3.43 1.28
A.J. Burnett (NYY - SP) 207.0 13 0 195 4.04 1.40
Francisco Cordero (Cin - RP) 66.2 2 39 58 2.16 1.32
Ryan Dempster (ChC - SP) 200.0 11 0 172 3.65 1.30
Justin Duchscherer (Oak - SP) - - - - - -
Frank Francisco (Tex - RP) 49.1 2 25 57 3.83 1.11
Brian Fuentes (LAA - RP) 55.0 1 48 46 3.93 1.40
Jon Garland (SD - SP) 204.0 11 0 109 4.01 1.40
Tommy Hunter (Tex - SP) 112.0 9 0 64 4.10 1.30
Brandon Lyon (Hou - RP) 78.2 6 3 57 2.86 1.11
Joel Piñeiro (LAA - SP) 214.0 15 0 105 3.49 1.14
Wandy Rodríguez (Hou - SP) 205.2 14 0 193 3.02 1.24
Matt Thornton (CWS - RP) 72.1 6 4 87 2.74 1.08
Tim Wakefield (Bos - SP) 129.2 11 0 72 4.58 1.44
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| | | 60 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 14:24
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Pete with another team with Soriano!
At least I know of one trade he won't offer...
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| | | 61 | loki
ID: 180343119
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 20:34
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This is my 2nd season in the Dirty Dozen, and to
the
new members welcome.
This league is very competitive as well as
being very enjoyable. Having said this, the
following players are available for draft picks:
Brett Anderson SP
Jeff Nieman, SP
Max Scherzer, SP
Scott Feldman,, SP
Johnny Cueto, SP
Luke Hochevar, SP
Scott Baker, SP
Kurt Suzuki, C
Joe Bautista, 3B, OF
Cameron Maybin, OF
Felipe Lopez, MI,CI, OF
Travis Snider, OF
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| | | 62 | Peter N.
ID: 220522718
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 21:07
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Lol PD, seems like I can't get away from Soriano.
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| | | 63 | Peter N.
ID: 220522718
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 21:09
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I'm excited to be in the league. Thanks for having me. It'll be a challenge, but I'm looking forward to it. I have a solid infield to build around so that's a start. Good luck to everyone!
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| | | 64 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 10:56
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Re:61-email address.
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| | | 65 | barilko6
ID: 3011117
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 18:01
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Trade Announcement
Slizz Trades:
Aaron Hill
Last Round Pick
Barilko6 Trades"
5th Round Pick
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| | | 66 | barilko6
ID: 3011117
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 18:33
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Trade Thoughts:
Did I pay too much for a one year production from Aaron Hill? Maybe, but 2b looks pretty weak this year, and this was probably the only guy that was going to be available to me. A 5th round pick in this keeper league is really a 12th round pick, so I am happy with the move.
I still might need to add one more keeper due to all the talent I moved out to get Mark Teixeira last season.
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| | | 67 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 22:41
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care to get some of it back?
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| | | 68 | Slizz
ID: 590452821
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 23:16
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Confirmed.
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| | | 69 | Slizz
ID: 590452821
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 23:17
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Man-ram, Werth and his $h1t-strip, or Gallardo...make my decision on the last keeper easier!
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| | | 70 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:11
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Trade Alert
Blue Hen acquires Kevin Youkilis
Pete acquires Billy Butler and Chad Billingsley
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| | | 71 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:12
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Confirmed. Sucka.
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| | | 72 | Great One
ID: 280112612
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:15
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anyone making draft pick deals, please try to add them to this rolling list. it'll make it easier for everyone to keep track of...
2010 Draft Pick Trades Pending
Da Bomb trades: JA Happ + 2010 5th rd pick
Astade trades: Kevin Correja + 2010 4th rd pick
Sandoval + GO's 10th Round
for
DPR's 5th Round
Weiters + Da Bombs 10th Round
for
DPRs 6th Round
(found from last year)
Bay/Wilson/wiggs11th for Kinsler/McCutchen/GO's 3rd
Slizz Trades: Aaron Hill + Last Round Pick
for
Barilko6 Trades" 5th Round Pick
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| | | 73 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:16
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I'd still like to upgrade my last keeper. Depending on the player, my 3rd to 6th round pick would be available. Keepers right now are as follows:
Justin Morneau
Derek Jeter
Ben Zobrist
Aramis Ramirez
Billy Butler
Chad Billingsley
Wandy Rodriguez
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| | | 74 | barilko6
ID: 4014228
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:17
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Hey, anyone looking at a rebuilding year and want to take a chance on one of these potential stars:
Elvis Andrus
David Price
Jay Bruce
Dexter Fowler
Chris Davis
Rick Porcello
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| | | 75 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:49
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BH, enjoy that greecey meatball Youkilis while you can. I see Butler's stats being close to his and I picked up a potential Cy Young award winner in the process. Can't complain. I just hope Billingsley's #s this year trend more to his 1st half of last year instead of his 2nd half.
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| | | 76 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 11:01
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Great negotiation tactic, Pete. You laughed when I said that Butler and Billingsley both had a chance to be better than Youk separately. Clearly, I was right.
However, Youk is better, and I needed to cut down on keepers. Billingsley and Butler were sitting at 8 and 9 so I am quite happy with this trade.
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| | | 77 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 11:04
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Nothing wrong with some friendly trash talking right? :-) Youkilis will be better and is proven. I needed to get younger and you needed to cut down keeps so it was a good fit for both.
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| | | 78 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 11:15
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Yeah. I guess I can't complain about my hitting: Pujols, Upton, Crawford, Dunn, and Youkilis...
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| | | 79 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 12:20
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Trade Alert
Loki acquires Pete's 3rd round pick
Pete acquires Max Scherzer and Loki's 15th round pick
Steep price to pay, but I really like Scherzer. It's another gamble, but the upside is worth it for me at this point.
I'm pretty sure my keepers are set now, but shoot me an e-mail if you have a thought.
Justin Morneau
Derek Jeter
Ben Zobrist
Aramis Ramirez
Billy Butler
Chad Billingsley
Max Scherzer
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| | | 80 | Peter N.
ID: 4011129
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 12:23
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Updating the rolling list...
2010 Draft Pick Trades Pending
Da Bomb trades: JA Happ + 2010 5th rd pick
Astade trades: Kevin Correja + 2010 4th rd pick
Sandoval + GO's 10th Round
for
DPR's 5th Round
Weiters + Da Bombs 10th Round
for
DPRs 6th Round
(found from last year)
Bay/Wilson/wiggs11th for Kinsler/McCutchen/GO's 3rd
Slizz Trades: Aaron Hill + Last Round Pick
for
Barilko6 Trades: 5th Round Pick
Loki Trades: Max Scherzer + 15th Round Pick
for
Pete Trades: 3rd Round Pick
Loki to confirm.
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| | | 81 | loki
ID: 200413119
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 12:27
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Trade with Peter N confirmed.
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| | | 82 | barilko6
ID: 43111514
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 15:11
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Blue Hen, I read your words in post 78 last night, and it might have been the beer, but I could have sworn it said you were hitting up Ton's pujols and you were dunn.
Keep your secret fantasies to yourself man.
My new team name is going to be:
Over the Canadian Hill
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| | | 83 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 17:50
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Is that like a metric ton? You turned 35?
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| | | 84 | barilko6
ID: 43111514
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 19:03
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Wait? There is life after 35?
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| | | 85 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 17:08
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Looking to deal Matt Cain and Heath Bell for picks. Would also consider packaging one of them with a hitter - Youkilis, Crawford, or Dunn. Make me an offer.
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| | | 86 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 21:33
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B6 - you lie!
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| | | 87 | barilko6
ID: 11110106
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 07:11
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haha....Slizz, please, less posting here and more accepting of my trade offers.
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| | | 88 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 13:09
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Slizz is out building a snowman right now I'm sure.
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| | | 89 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 13:14
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Heh.
Just sent off my MO this morning for this league, GO.
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| | | 90 | barilko6
ID: 311431011
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 13:59
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I think you took my 2010 fee out of my winnings from last year, right GO?
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| | | 91 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:15
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I have Holt and Barilko paid for 2010 so far. Slizz, I can roll his 10 onto F101.
Got a check from someone too a few days ago too, would have to check when i get home.
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| | | 92 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:36
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Registered league, invites going out... added extra UT spot. Also, an option I noticed was when to add guys to the player pool. I've currently got it at "when player enters the majors" -- do we want that or do we want to be able to add minor league players? Also, do we want to offer the ability to draft players not in the system (i.e. some AA player that Blue Hen is hot for and he wants to stash). I'll email this as a vote. 7 votes wins.
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| | | 93 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:40
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Actually, screw that second option, we're going with only draft guys in the system because its too damn difficult to track guys not in the system. So either the player pool is -- Yahoo's whim or once they enter the majors. Vote coming.
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| | | 94 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:45
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I feel that in a keeper league every player should be available. I am not sure I understan what you mean by when they make it to the majors, but I dont think we want to allow last years champ (#1 waiver right?) to get their pick of the rookies effectively for the last pick of the draft.
Also, since payment is now being mentioned, has it been listed anywhere in this thread where to send the money?
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| | | 95 | barilko6
ID: 311431011
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:47
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I say go with anyone in the system, as per previous years. As DPR noted, its a keeper, and lots of guys like to draft and stockpile young guys.
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| | | 96 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 14:50
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I'll email payment details.
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| | | 97 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 12:26
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Alright - based on discussion via email, here's what we are going to do. 1. We're going to go with the "As soon as Yahoo! adds them" player pool as defined by them(as we have done in the past). So they will have "Evan Longoria" (Scott Sizemore this year for example) or whatever on the verge of debuting guy and we can draft or pick them up post draft as we see fit.
2. During the draft anyone can pick anyone they want, college player, overseas, Barilko's magic rabbit... whoever. We'll pick an obvious "Heathcliff Slocumb" type placeholder who will need to remain on your roster until that player gets called up or you will lose your rights to drafted player. After that player gets added please notify me and I'll add them manually to your roster so you don't have to use waiver priority etc. If you pick once of these guys, its your responsibility to let me know they've been called up and added to the system. Also, lets please have a gentlemen's agreement not to add any of these guys on purpose and if you notice another guys placeholder has been called up, please let the league know.
3. The draft is your only opportunity to pick these guys and use the placeholder system. Otherwise, when Yahoo adds them throughout the season - they go through waivers and everyone gets an even shot based on the rolling waiver priority.
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| | | 98 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 12:31
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sounds good. I hope t doesn't end up too challenging.
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| | | 99 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 12:56
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I don't expect more than a few placeholders, so I don't think it'll be terribly difficult. And once they debut, there won't be anything to monitor.
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| | | 100 | barilko6
ID: 131181114
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 15:19
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And just a note for all new guys. This is not a snake draft, its a straight 1-12 draft.
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| | | 101 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 15:53
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Yes, you are allowed to draft yourself. Or Tim Brown.
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| | | 102 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 10:22
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As someone pointed out, we'll need to add an extra round to compensate for the extra UT spot. I was actually considering another bench spot too. So anyone against 2 extra rounds? (1 for the UT, 1 more bench spot).
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| | | 103 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 00:31
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I'll give you the $ for this, mitb baseball, & F101 at the MiTB football draft...sound good?
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| | | 104 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 00:32
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and yes, i was plowing snow and eventually gave up until the next am. by the time i made it 1/2 way down the driveway another 2 inches was already at the top...ridiculous.
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| | | 105 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Feb 14, 2010, 12:51
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I think our benches are already pretty big. I'd like to put that one up to a vote. I do agree with another round for the UTIL.
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| | | 106 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Feb 15, 2010, 01:50
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i concur w/ blue hen.
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| | | 107 | barilko6
ID: 21156157
Mon, Feb 15, 2010, 08:56
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Yes...I am definitely open to adding one more to our rosters to account for the extra Util spot, but I think that would be it.
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| | | 108 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 14:44
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So the consensus seems to be just add one round to the draft to accommodate the extra starting roster spot (without shortening the bench).
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| | | 109 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 15:01
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Looks like the draft will be 24 rounds then, the first 7 "rounds" will be keepers. So 17 rounds left to draft starting on March 1st.
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| | | 110 | barilko6
ID: 501131614
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 15:13
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Canada votes in favour.
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| | | 111 | Great One
ID: 20129413
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 15:28
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Canadians only get 15 rounds of picks. Its a new rule.
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| | | 112 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 16:42
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What is "favour"?
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| | | 113 | barilko6
ID: 501131614
Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 16:48
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re: 111 I guess that would make the league more fair for the rest of the group.
Re: 112: We say eh a lot, so we need to balance out the a sound with some extra letter u's in words.
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| | | 114 | Great One
ID: 15156520
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 11:49
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Brought over from last years thread, Barilkos 2010 predicted order of finish for this year: 1. Barilko6
2. Who Cares they aren't number 1
3. See Above
4. Who Cares they aren't number 1
5. One of the new guys
6. Tree
7. Who Cares
8. Who Cares
9. Who Cares
10. Who Cares
11. Who Cares
12. Who Cares
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| | | 115 | Great One
ID: 15156520
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 11:50
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I've got Blue Hen pegged to battle Tree for 6th.
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| | | 116 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Feb 21, 2010, 22:26
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Tree's a pretty good manager. Seems a bit lofty.
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| | | 117 | Peter N.
ID: 191221519
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 10:51
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Ya'll are all going down. Yes, I said ya'll.
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| | | 118 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 10:58
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So that's the singular? You're only going to beat one person? Who is it? Perm Dude? Holt? Great One? Me?
If you wanted to talk smack, you should have used the plural - all y'all.
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| | | 119 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 11:01
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I'd say Barilko since its obvious Canada can't beat the USA... oh!!!!
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| | | 121 | Peter N.
ID: 191221519
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 11:20
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My bad, y'all. As in, you all are going down. Lol, I'm from Texas and I can't even get it right.
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| | | 122 | barilko6
ID: 31512210
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 11:51
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Canada was just setting up the right matchups. Everyone knows that Russia and the US are the biggest money makers for our bars and television ratings, so tanking last night ensures Canada's best chance to face both teams again in this tourney. What a team, looking out for small business owners everywhere.
On a similar note, I plan to look out for all of you little guys here in the Dirty Dozen too by dominating all the categories.
While that obviously eliminates any chance at first place for you guys, it also levels out the rest of the playing field by ensuring no other team will get a huge 12 points in a category.
You are welcome. We Canadians are so polite.
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| | | 123 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 14:23
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They are so polite they don't even give free drinks away in the casino's!!!! boo!!!!
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| | | 124 | barilko6
ID: 31512210
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 15:20
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haha...yeah that is true. Canada just doesn't want you to lose money because you are drunk. So polite.
I wish we weren't so polite in that regard though..haha
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| | | 125 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 11:23
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Is there any way that i could see last years draft results?
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| | | 126 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 11:33
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It was on Kafenatid - let me know if you can see this link...
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| | | 127 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 11:36
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I put in excel and emailed to you.
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| | | 128 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 11:40
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Yea the excel works. Thanks alot.
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| | | 129 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 12:47
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I would be open to adding one more young keeper if someone has a good one that they are throwing back.
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| | | 130 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:04
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Last year's rosters have disappeared from yahoo. Anyone know where they are?
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| | | 131 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:09
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I'm seeing them on Yahoo through my Fantasy Profile.
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| | | 132 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:23
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Got em.
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| | | 133 | barilko6
ID: 8112413
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:01
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Hey...what is the keeper deadline this year? I can't seem to locate it, granted I haven't done a huge amount of looking.
And what will be Tree's keeper deadline?
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| | | 134 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:06
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Check my "constitution" at the top -- Keeper Deadline will be the last day of February each year
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| | | 135 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:17
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The draft starts untimed on monday right? What clock do we use once we get going? How long does the draft take?
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| | | 136 | Great One
ID: 2510199
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:18
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I think 4 hours, I'll have to check. It usually lasts a couple weeks. This is my first time commishing though, so I'm not sure about setting all that up just yet.
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| | | 137 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:23
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Alright sounds fair. From RIBC drafts it seems a round a day so 2 weeks is about what I expected.
I am going to be traveling the first weekend wednesday march 3rd to the 7th. I will give more details as we get close and hope it doesnt pose any problems.
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| | | 138 | barilko6
ID: 8112413
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:44
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Sweet. I totally missed that line in your opening monologue.
Anyone who is interested in trading for Juan Uribe, it looks like I am going to be forced to let him go. It sucks, but I can only keep so many guys. Uribe comes from a medal placing fantasy team, so he would bring a winning attitude and some nice intangibles to any Dirty Dozen team.
I am also looking to cut bait on David Price. Make me an offer!
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| | | 139 | loki
ID: 200413119
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 16:34
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GO-Would you please post the draft order.Thanks
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| | | 140 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 17:00
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I'll give you this pickle for Uribe. It got more fans than Nickelback!
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| | | 141 | barilko6
ID: 321152417
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 18:15
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I will try and keep my cards close to my chest.
That may or may not be the best offer I have received so far.
I hate to talk about other manager's offers, but I might have something lined up for some asparagus and a brown cow.
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| | | 142 | barilko6
ID: 321152417
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 18:52
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In all serious, I would be interested in upgrading my last keeper slot, but I will admit at a very limited price.
I can move Javier Vazquez plus a draft pick, or just a draft pick, but will not move anything really high.
SO:
If you have a guy, preferably a starting pitcher, and you would like to upgrade a later pick instead of losing him for nothing, shoot me an email.
Also, if you would like to acquire Vazquez, shoot me an email as well.
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| | | 143 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 19:59
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i'm still looking to make a deal. anyone on my roster save for Hanley is available.
Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)
Brian Roberts (Bal - 2B)
Nick Markakis (Bal - OF)
Josh Hamilton (Tex - OF)
Andre Ethier (LAD - OF)
Kendry Morales (LAA - 1B,OF)
Shane Victorino (Phi - OF)
Tommy Hanson (Atl - SP)
Jake Peavy (CWS - SP)
Jason Bartlett (TB - SS)
Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
Franklin Gutiérrez (Sea - OF)
Adam LaRoche (Ari - 1B)
Russell Martin (LAD - C,3B)
A.J. Pierzynski (CWS - C)
Denard Span (Min - OF)
Dan Uggla (Fla - 2B)
John Danks (CWS - SP)
Edwin Jackson (Ari - SP)
Ubaldo Jiménez (Col - SP)
Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
Huston Street (Col - RP)
Jordan Zimmermann (Was - SP)
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| | | 144 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 21:54
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Just like everyone else, I am busy with work and other baseball leagues that are about to kick-off. I am still surprised that I've received very little interest in the following players: Lance Berkman (Hou - 1B) Michael Bourn (Hou - OF) Robinson Canó (NYY - 2B) Víctor Martínez (Bos - C,1B) Carlos Peña (TB - 1B)
Andrew Bailey (Oak - RP)
Cole Hamels (Phi - SP) J.A. Happ (Phi - SP,RP) Josh Johnson (Fla - SP) Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP) Francisco Rodríguez (NYM - RP) James Shields (TB - SP) Carlos Zambrano Some of them may not be a good fit for your club, but there is plenty to be had for either a draft pick upgrade or a package deal. Email me!
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| | | 145 | Great One
ID: 161422510
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 11:42
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Draft Order before any draft pick trades.. straight draft, 17 Rounds after 7 keepers.
1. Perm Dude
2. dpr
3. Peter N
4. Blue Hen
5. Da Bomb
6. Slizz
7. Tree
8. Astade
9. Loki
10. Barilko
11. Holt
12. Great One
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| | | 146 | Great One
ID: 161422510
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 11:43
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I love how Barilko says "medal winning" cause he won a bronze last year... at least he'll have the same color as his national hockey team. If they get lucky!
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| | | 147 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 12:22
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Damn, I really fell like a rock. I was in the top 3 for most of the early part of last year.
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| | | 148 | Great One
ID: 161422510
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 12:24
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BH is like the opposite of the cream rising to the top (that would be me).
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| | | 149 | barilko6
ID: 59142512
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 13:05
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Hey, would you rather have a silver haired lady or a Brazilian bikini model with a nice bronzed tan.
Exactly.
And as for the Canadian Hockey team, I would be more than willing to engage in a little side bet that they end up with a Gold. (Much like Team Barilko will have at the end of the Dirty Dozen season this year)
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| | | 150 | holt
ID: 11272514
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 15:52
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Don't feel bad BH. You should have never been in the top 3 to begin with. But hell, if Barilko can finish in 3rd place, pretty much anyone who runs a team out there should have a good shot.
And oh crap, I just noticed that keepers are due 2/28.
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| | | 151 | Great One
ID: 161422510
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 16:06
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Get signed up Kafentid, info just sent. Looking for some opinions on the draft pauses. I'm thinking we just copy RIBC or something like that. I really never paid much attention myself. What is standard for nights/weekend draft pauses?
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| | | 152 | Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 16:29
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GO, in the past for Dirty dozen the draft clock ran from 8 (or 9) am to 11pm EST. It paused on weekends from Fri 11pm and did not resume again until Monday at 8 (or 9) am EST.
*yes, I'm still peeking in. Can't completely let go. if I keep the interest thru the whole season, I may look to grab a spot if one opens up next year*
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| | | 153 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 16:34
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I think we had a 4 hour clock and RIBC had 6, but maybe my facts are wrong. I'd be happy with a 2 hour clock.
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| | | 154 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:05
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on behalf of those of us that have 2+ hr meetings, I recommend having a broader window for picks....if we slow down during the draft then we can re-assess a shorter clock.
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| | | 155 | barilko6
ID: 59142512
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:30
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If you need that big of a window to fit your broads in, either get a smaller broad, or start getting them to use the door. Damn Supersize me.
Holt, come on I earned that third place finish fair and square. Its hard to compete in fantasy baseball in Canada when you have to turn to page 9 out of 9 of the national newspaper, which is past the hockey, curling, ice skating, canoeing, more hockey, and finally some more hockey news to see baseball stats from the Saturday games of the week before.
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| | | 156 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:34
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you guys dont have the internet yet in your homes?
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| | | 157 | barilko6
ID: 59142512
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:49
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Sometimes. But its hard to get the hamsters to run hard enough to power up both my beer fridge AND the computer at the same time.
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| | | 158 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 23:45
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Ok, we are in business... offers are abound- If anyone is interested in: Mariano RiveraFrancisco RodriguezAndrew BaileyPlease email me. I'm looking for a draft pick swap.
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| | | 159 | barilko6
ID: 401592612
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 13:59
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What the heck?!? Who would actually vote this thread to a 1?!?
I am going to join in and vote it 1 as well.
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| | | 160 | barilko6
ID: 401592612
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 15:29
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I am still willing to move a later draft pick for my 7th keeper...someone who is better than Javier Vazquez.
Is everyone really set with their keepers?? I have received zero emails since my last post looking for a keeper on Wednesday.
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| | | 161 | Peter N.
ID: 191221519
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 16:20
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My keepers are set, but they are a sad sad group. LOL, I'll look to improve that this year.
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| | | 162 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 20:34
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***Trade***
DPR trades John Lackey
Perm Dude trades Gordon Beckham
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| | | 163 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 20:35
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confirm.
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| | | 164 | barilko6
ID: 10125277
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 08:29
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TRADE
Perm Dude Trades:
Adam Lind
Barilko6 Trades:
Javier Vazquez
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| | | 165 | Great One
ID: 15156520
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 10:10
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Barilko and I are betting our entry fee and team name on tomorrows Canada vs. USA hockey... I'll have to go by Canada Rules for the season. Any ideas for his USA themed name?
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| | | 166 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 10:17
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Canada-the 51st State
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| | | 167 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 10:36
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confirming #164
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| | | 168 | GO on G1
ID: 4867520
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 12:24
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Thanks khahan for the draft pause notes, we'll go with that
since its worked in the past. And you are always welcome
back to the league you created sir...
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| | | 169 | barilko6
ID: 10125277
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 15:59
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re: 165
Guys, seriously, you need not waste too much of your time on this request, for reasons that are fairly obvious. Eh.
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| | | 170 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sun, Feb 28, 2010, 00:22
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GO, I sent you money via paypal. I added $2 bucks to cover 'fees'. Will that cover it? Let me know.
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| | | 171 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, Feb 28, 2010, 13:37
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Re: #97 Fred will add the name of a player to a roster if we send the name to him. Email from Fred: "The placeholder would just have to be a scrub player. Either that, or just send me the name of the player and I can add him. If it's done ahead of time, I can add the player before the person makes the pick."javascript:spoiler_insert();Fred.
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| | | 172 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 09:28
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Looks like I'm "Canada Rules"... oh well. Barilko, I'll be sending you my kafenatid log in so you can start plugging in players and pick trades. Whatever you don't get done at lunch I can finish this afternoon or tonight. We'll turn the draft on by tonight and the first round we'll do with no clock so that everybody knows we are up and running. I think eveyrone signed up for Kafenatid so thats great. Astade, got yours, although I factored in the 10 dollar draft into the prize pool so that we can just keep it an even 10 bucks for everyone (unless its Canadian $). I can send you $2 back if you have a PayPal account yourself. Also got checks in the mail last week, one from PD and I think the other was from Holt. I forgot to write that one down.
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| | | 173 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 10:30
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Make sure you update your keepers in the thread if you've made a trade since you posted.
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| | | 174 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 10:40
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Astade, I take it back, there were some fees in there, I looked at the detail, so thanks for putting the extra bit in there. Anyone else paying that way (credit card I presume?) just pay $11 which comes out about right.
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| | | 175 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 13:07
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Can someone else confirm and doublecheck that post 80 was the last draft pick trade, so that chart is up to date. I don't see anything else after that with picks...
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| | | 176 | barilko6
ID: 49212112
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 13:15
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I will be done lunch in about 30 minutes and will enter the keepers then.
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| | | 177 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 13:16
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I just looked through and that looks to be it.
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| | | 178 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 13:17
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Thanks, condensing all the updates into the keeper thread for Barilko. Off to a meeting.
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| | | 179 | holt
ID: 11272514
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 17:04
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re 172 - I didn't send a check, I had prize money rolled over from last season. I can paypal some extra for fees though, if need be.
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| | | 180 | Great One
ID: 15156520
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 17:57
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Holt you are good, I see my note about rolling over from last year. I can't figure out who sent the other check then. Who else sent a check like a 2 weeks ago?
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| | | 181 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 21:32
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hey sorry, was busy taking care of a couple things and boxing. will pick and than catch up :)
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| | | 182 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 08:39
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I am ready to pick, although would like to hear from Pete who had interest in this spot. I'll give him a little bit, then I'll pick and turn the 4 hour clock on. That will start within the hour.
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| | | 183 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 08:43
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Man, he's quick! :) TRADE
GO's 1st Round Pick for Pete's Derek Jeter
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| | | 184 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 08:44
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It has been entered into Kafenatid and Pete can pick at any time. I'm turning the clock on at 9 AM.
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| | | 185 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 08:46
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Secretly I hope this trade is a bust and Jeter's career wraps up in the next year and I never have to see the Red Sox play against him again. :0
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| | | 186 | Peter N.
ID: 329115
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 09:01
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LOL GO, I'm not a fan of Jeter or the Yankees either so we're in the same boat in that regard.
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| | | 187 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 10:18
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I like the Jeter move for GO.
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| | | 188 | barilko6
ID: 3422229
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 10:22
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Apparently Perm Dude can't access Kafenatid. I left him a message to give me a call when he can so we can get his pick entered.
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| | | 189 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 10:47
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3 picks done, BH is up
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| | | 190 | Great One
ID: 3222418
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:15
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FYI - I'll be out of touch from about 4:30 til tomorrow morning, going to Muse concert. My que is setup and my designated pickers are assigned. Anyone who just has me please add some more guys to submit picks. Will have my phone and will check email a couple times tonight.
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| | | 191 | Slizz
ID: 5724878
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 09:57
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Thanks to GO and those who have offered their help throughout the draft. Its been quite hectic with me for the past couple months with all the planning, house (condo/townhome) hunting and what not...but it should be over soon enough! Anyhow, here is the engagement video for those interested: Proposal and yes...that (& the fact I can't draft a decent hoops tea) are the reasons why I am slowly sinking down to the bottom in G20 hoops.
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| | | 192 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 20:15
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congrats jay! don't worry about the draft, we still have plenty of time before opening day.
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| | | 193 | Great One
ID: 26234311
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 11:20
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We can definitely look at starting even later. It only took 8 days to complete. Perhaps we can start the draft each year on opening Thursday of March Madness, with keepers due on "Selection Sunday". That would give a 2 week window. Waiver Priority will be reverse of the draft order. I will publish the rosters and "start the season" Monday March 29th, about a week before the real season starts.
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| | | 194 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 12:29
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Actually, I like getting one draft out of the way early.
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| | | 195 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 13:23
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I also like finishing early, before the RIBC drafts begin.
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| | | 196 | Great One
ID: 26234311
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 13:42
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I can hardly contain my excitement awaiting Barilko's season preview. Can't wait to be picked to finish 5th like I am every year! FYI for the new guys - Since 2005, its been some combination of myself, Da Bomb and Holt in 1st or 2nd. Holt has NEVER finished out of the top 3 in the history of the league. I have not either since the first season in 2005. Last year was Da Bomb's 1st season missing the podium, but he's had 3 tough 2nd places. 2009 - 1st GO, 2nd Holt
2008 - 1st Holt, 2nd Da Bomb
2007 - 1st Da Bomb, 2nd GO
2006 - 1st GO, 2nd Da Bomb
2005 - 1st Holt, 2nd Da Bomb
2004 - 1st Astade!, 2nd Holt
I'm shooting to be the first 3 time champion and cement my status of THE Great One.
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| | | 197 | barilko6
ID: 482531021
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:24
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I will definitely do a season preview once you enter all the teams into Yahoo and I can get a better look at things.
FYI for the new guys:
While GO's listing of the top 2 is definitely accurate, what those listings don't show is that my team has improved every year since I joined the league.
2006: 9th Place
2007: 7th Place
2008: 5th Place
2009: 3rd Place
I sense a very obvious pattern here and realize that 1st place is pretty much locked up for me this year.
I wish you all good luck as you fight for 2nd and 3rd.
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| | | 198 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:31
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So in two years you'll be in 3rd place again?
:)
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| | | 199 | barilko6
ID: 482531021
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:35
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hmm....I would take that. 1st this year, 3rd next. And then back to first!
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| | | 200 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:37
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Can you show who was third? Or do some sort of RWF-style standings?
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| | | 201 | Great One
ID: 26234311
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:45
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We can all see third and beyond using the "All-Time" tab in the box over our Yahoo league homepage standings.
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| | | 202 | barilko6
ID: 482531021
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:45
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Blue Hen, just go to our league and click on "All-Time". It will show you top 3 and then your team's position
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| | | 203 | Great One
ID: 26234311
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:46
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Barilko, they are in the "Draft Results" page if you want to take a look, of course that doesn't have stats or anything.
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| | | 204 | barilko6
ID: 482531021
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:51
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Yeah...I need to see the full presentation with stats and all to ensure the quality of my preview.
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| | | 205 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 00:40
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jack, you put my name with an exclamation mark?! you seem surprised ;) yeah, i got lucky that year. In my defense aside from 2005, I've always finished in the top half!
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| | | 206 | Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 14:51
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Vote - 7 votes for change.
Change from overnight free agent additions (as done in past) to same day adds (now an available option, 5 min prior to gametime player will freeze).
GO votes in favor of same day.
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| | | 207 | barilko6
ID: 362241213
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 14:54
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Finally Yahoo.
Yes.
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| | | 208 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 17:27
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I prefer next day. I don't like not being able to drop an active player while he is playing.
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| | | 209 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 17:27
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Same day. Can I still vote for ESPN?
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| | | 210 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 08:46
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Same day.
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| | | 211 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 16:44
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re 208:
I think you can drop a player who is playing or already played, but the player you pick up isn't on your roster til the next day (same way next day works). Am I mistaken? That's why I changed my vote in ribc to same day.
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| | | 212 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 16:53
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Once a player’s game starts you are not able to waive them if they are in a starting roster position until 12:01 AM PT the next morning. Bench players can be waived, but if a player gets injured during a game and you want to waive them you will have to wait until the next day if you had them active.
I guess I misread. I wonder why they've programmed it to work this way? Players that are locked should be waivable and treated as next day transactions. I don't get it. I don't want a closer to go down and then be forced to drop a shortstop to get his replacement just because the games have already started. Unusable in my opinion.
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| | | 213 | Loki from IPhone
ID: 82221017
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 19:00
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Holt-We both changed our votes in RIBC in opposite
directions. We have a power outage in my part of NJ w/
PSE&G saying it may not return to tomorrow night. Glad our
draft is over. It would be difficult from the IPhone.
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| | | 214 | barilko6
ID: 122541615
Tue, Mar 16, 2010, 16:54
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Dang, we finished this thing way too early. Now I am sitting around actually trying to strategically think about my march madness picks.
That will end up as successful as Blue Hen will in this league.
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| | | 215 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Mar 23, 2010, 19:30
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When are we starting the league?
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| | | 216 | barilko6
ID: 46232248
Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 10:10
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That is a good question, I will ask it too!
It should be at least 3 days before the season starts so we can all make some changes.
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| | | 217 | holt
ID: 56217179
Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 10:17
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Thought it was going to be at the end of the month. It's posted somewhere.
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| | | 218 | Great One
ID: 16242315
Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 10:18
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post 193
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| | | 219 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Fri, Mar 26, 2010, 00:55
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odds are i'll finish 6th!
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| | | 220 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 10:08
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Starting the season today. Players are now on waivers. Waiver order is reverse of draft order. Please check your roster again and let me know if there are any errors.
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| | | 221 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 10:14
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23.07 Juan Abreu = Jenrry Mejia, RP, NYM 24.04 Tobi Stoner = Drew Storen, RP, WAS These guys are placeholders, please add them once available in the Yahoo system.
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| | | 222 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 10:17
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We're all patiently awaiting Barilkos review now too... he needs a funny alias. Like "The Great Canadian Vision" or something.
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| | | 223 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 12:18
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Still looking for votes on same day vs. overnight. Remember, you can only add/drop players who are not yet frozen (their game started) on a given day. Currently 4-1 in favor of same day. 3 more to pass.
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| | | 224 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 12:27
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This is same day so long as the games haven't started for the day? Or same day if the team for the player you are picking up hasn't started for the day?
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| | | 225 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 12:33
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I believe once an individual players game starts, they freeze til the next morning.
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| | | 226 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 12:53
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OK. As long as it isn't an "all players freeze for the first game" situation, count me as a vote for "same day" pickups.
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| | | 227 | holt
ID: 56217179
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 16:17
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the downside is, you can't drop a player whose game has already started. could make it difficult to add anyone to your roster in the evening.
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| | | 228 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 22:15
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same day.
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| | | 229 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 22:55
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#227: Right, so at worse it would be what we have right now.
My only problem is that sometimes I'd prefer to have a guy come onto the roster the next day (or two). I wish Yahoo had the option of when a guy comes aboard.
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| | | 230 | holt
ID: 20202323
Mon, Mar 29, 2010, 23:51
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With next day you can cut someone anytime you want to. If you like to make moves late at night, same day transactions is pretty bad, if I'm understanding it correctly.
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| | | 231 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Mar 30, 2010, 03:13
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I believe you are holt. I agree that it would be frustrating not to be able to make a move when games are going on.
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| | | 232 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Tue, Mar 30, 2010, 09:34
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Crap, because I started the season, i can't change to same day from overnight. Exploring the options.
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| | | 233 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Tue, Mar 30, 2010, 23:54
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how convenient ;)
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| | | 234 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 08:46
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Alright, so I wrote to them asking how we could change it... and they just switched it to same day lol... so even though we were headed that way anyway, I think we needed one more "same day" vote to officially pass it. Not sure who hasn't voted, Tree, Pete maybe?
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| | | 235 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sun, Apr 04, 2010, 12:55
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good luck fellas! Heres to me making it in the top 6!
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| | | 236 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 00:20
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Ugh, can't drop a player who played today even after his game is finished with the same day setting.
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| | | 237 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 01:02
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you'll be okay.
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| | | 238 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 01:23
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I'll try my best. Meanwhile, Great One jumps out to a first day lead led by the stats obtained from Beckett and CC!
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| | | 239 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 12:06
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I am looking to move Beckett or CC because I'm sick of them squaring off (last nights bad start being irrelevant, cause even when they pitch well against each other, only one can get a W).
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| | | 240 | holt
ID: 56217179
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 19:17
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Stupid Zambrano. Wish I had followed through on benching his ass today. Dunno why I changed my mind. Otherwise, a good opening day.
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| | | 241 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 22:21
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glad you were holding the grenade this year...Zambrano!!!!
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| | | 242 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 23:02
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The White Sox opened the season with Mark Kotsay as their DH??? I'm dumbfounded.
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| | | 243 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 23:06
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and he hit in the 5 hole today...
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| | | 244 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 23:54
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Kotsay had a great spring. He earned the spot.
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| | | 245 | barilko6
ID: 2734968
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 09:49
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Zambrano was awesome!
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| | | 246 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 11:35
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Ryan Howard cannot hit lefties, and Guru's new site, Baseballdata.com showed Howard hitting about .167 with 9 Ks in 22 ABs against Lannon. It seemed lke a good move to bench him, so naturally he went 2/6 with 1 HR and 2 RBIs.
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| | | 247 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 14:18
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This season cannot begin without Barilko telling me I didn't pick enough closers and that I will finish in 4th place.
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| | | 248 | barilko6
ID: 58311614
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 15:12
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Hey Loki...did you type that website in right? I just tried it and got nothing.
Great One...your team needs more closers and you are going to finish 5th!
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| | | 249 | barilko6
ID: 58311614
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 15:13
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Actually I just checked your team and noticed that you have better closers than I do!
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| | | 250 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 00:30
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barilko, what ever happened to your promise of a League Preview? did i miss it?
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| | | 251 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 08:49
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When you know you are finishing in last like Barilko will, why bother? He should just preview the battle for last between him and BH!!
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| | | 252 | barilko6
ID: 5835377
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 08:54
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I only do those before the season starts...otherwise when I get my predictions perfect, you guys will just claim that its because I got a sneak peek at opening day!
This year I couldn't see everyone's rosters until a day or two before the games started, and at that point I am too busy getting things ready for my live draft!
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| | | 253 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 11:36
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cop out
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| | | 254 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 11:39
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Yeah, they were up for a full week before... but thats cool. Excuses, excuses...
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| | | 255 | barilko6
ID: 54356711
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 12:56
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Full week...couple of days...you guys need to factor in the Canadian exchange rate.
Nah, the week before the season starts is way too busy to be spending time writing reviews that only 2 people read, especially when I have a new league this year that is a big money league and requires a little bit extra Barilko love!
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| | | 256 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 13:13
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You want big money? I'll bet you $100 you can't beat me this season. Thats like 3 bottles of maple syrup, right?
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| | | 257 | barilko6
ID: 54356711
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 16:53
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Ooooo....too late! I already committed my baseball funds for the year.
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| | | 258 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 22:31
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yea b6! where was that preview?!?!
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| | | 259 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 07:03
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Barilko, it only matters if you think you are gonna lose, right? Otherwise you don't really need any $. Sounds like you are a beaten man already! :)
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| | | 260 | barilko6
ID: 4134389
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 10:45
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Slizz...I hope your drafting skills are better than your reading skills!!!
GO: I can't predict injuries, which is the only way I will lose this year. True story.
I would be willing to agree to some sort of alternative side wager though....
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| | | 261 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 11:07
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I can predict injuries, its my main advantage. I predict Brad Lidge, Kerry Wood and Mark Prior will have injuries this year and/or miss long stretches of games.
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| | | 262 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 11:07
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Marcus Camby too.
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| | | 263 | barilko6
ID: 4134389
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 11:35
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I am just waiting for Blue Hen to jump in on Lidge and Prior, or at least claim they will get 30 saves and 200 Ks respectively.
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| | | 264 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 11:49
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You should note, I didn't include Oliver Perez.
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| | | 265 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 12:53
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Brad Lidge has a lifetime pass for me.
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| | | 266 | slizz-bberry
ID: 2325812
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 13:25
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Now...what about Prior?
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| | | 267 | Great One
ID: 592262415
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 13:58
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I forgot Daniel Cabrera. BH's ultimate pitching staff! 1. Matt Cain
2. Jon Sanchez
3. Oliver Perez
4. Daniel Cabrera
5. Mark Prior
CP. Brad Lidge
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| | | 268 | barilko6
ID: 4134389
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 16:20
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I remember Blue Hen waxing poetic about how great Nolan Ryan is in another thread on these forums.
Lets add him as a middle reliever.
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| | | 269 | Khahan
ID: 391582715
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 16:43
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Barilko...263 - that is lifetime totals, no? So BH was right!
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| | | 270 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 17:53
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You forgot Jeremy Bonderman. Definitely put him on this list. And I'd remove Cain. I've waxed more poetic about Jake Peavy than Cain.
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| | | 271 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 19:28
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Yeah, and Cain is actually pretty good. Peavy is done.
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| | | 272 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 23:03
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ok...who makes up BH's ultimate team?
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| | | 273 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 00:04
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Slizz nice start to the season! It looks like I overestimated the speed on my team. I'd like to go ahead and explore opportunities to get some more base stealers. Feel to email me with trade offers for swipe-artists.
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| | | 274 | Slizz
ID: 13104129
Sun, Apr 11, 2010, 11:08
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thanks man! to quote white man can't jump...even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days...but i'll take it. guys like stewart, stubbs, and rasmus (vs RHP) have helped. I think we could all use some speed on the bases...
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| | | 275 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 19:09
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BH likes Ethier a lot a think, I remember he said he got the best player in the G20 draft when I chose Nelson Cruz over him.
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| | | 276 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Mon, Apr 12, 2010, 19:31
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the best of blue hen... just checked my stats today...1-16, way to go guys!
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SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Apr 14, 2010, 12:07
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Injury bug: Grady Sizemore, Jacoby Ellsbury, Jimmy Rollins and Cliff Lee currently out with injuries. Ouch.
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| | | 278 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 14, 2010, 12:15
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Yes, I had Ethier ahead of Cruz, and still do. I definitely wouldn't say he's one of "my guys" but he was definitely the best player taken in that draft.
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| | | 279 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 18:38
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I need to add some HR's... pitching for sale.
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| | | 280 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 18:48
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As much as I'd hate to part with Ludwick...
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| | | 281 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 18:54
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Well that was quick. Good deal PD. lol... now I gotta find a solid SP to replace those innings pitched.
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| | | 282 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 19:18
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Don't really understand what Perm Dude is trying to do here. Cruz was like half his team's offensive production. I guess it's a case of selling high, but I think he traded away his best hitter now and for years to come.
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| | | 283 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 19:23
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Absolutely it is selling high (Cruz is a very good player but he's streaky and he looks awfully good in a streak).
Also, it is a matter of some players underperforming right now (like his teammate Carlos Lee, Coghlin, Mags & Uggla).
You have to give to get, too. I've got a number of power-hitting OF but my SP sucks!
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| | | 284 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:17
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Looks like somebody got "Perm Duded" again. At least he's not going to a team that has a shot.
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| | | 285 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:21
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"for years to come" -- I bet you'd be surprised to learn that Nelson Cruz is 30 years old. Only 2 months younger than Beckett. So its not like he is trading away Justin Upton or some young kid. I'd say its pretty darn even. I think we can all agree last seasons full season rankings are a fair gauge. Beckett finished #73 and Cruz #85.
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| | | 286 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:22
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You should spend more time on your team and less with your marketing guys coming up with slogans, bh.
I'll make sure to wipe my feet when I step past you...
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| | | 287 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:29
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I think it is pretty clear which side is better but overall it isn't a terrible trade. Looking at ADPs, cruz was rated about a round ahead of beckett and based on this year so far (if you can put stop in a week...) that gap would have widened. This obviously isn't a wide margin but i feel Cruz is likely the better contributor, especially for a rebuilding team, where the risk associated with arms make bats the safer bet.
Also, you got a Red Sox from a clear homer. You have to overpay to pull that off. haha.
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| | | 288 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:31
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Yeah, he would have been cheaper if he didn't re-up for 4 years last week. I ordered his jersey yesterday! lol..
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| | | 289 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:34
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ESPN ADP has them 2 picks apart, 61 and 63.
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| | | 290 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:41
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mockdraftcentral 62 an 74
yahoo 70 and 78
couchmanagers 68 and 75
But either way doesn't make too big a difference they clearly aren't too far apart.
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| | | 291 | Peter N.
ID: 33241319
Thu, Apr 15, 2010, 20:57
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Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with the trade...and I'm a Rangers fan.
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| | | 292 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 00:18
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i can't believe people are making hay out of this trade.
Nelson Cruz is good. he's probably a Top 25 outfielder.
but he also hasn't really shown that much at the major league level. he has never played 130 games, and only has one season of playing over 100 games.
and if you look at his splits from last season, he had a GREAT first half, and a relatively lesser second half.
meanwhile, Beckett has 5 consecutive double-digit win season, four of which were 15 or more wins. He's good for 160+ K's, a WHIP under 1.20, and probably an ERA under 4.00.
I'm just not sure how anyone can be critical of this deal.
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| | | 293 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 00:26
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For the record I'm totally fine with the trade... But if I were to try to explain any second-guessing in this league it usually happens when a coveted player all of a sudden gets traded. Usually when there is an announcement of interest to trade a 'keeper' and managers give it a good run only to find out that they were out-bid, it goes over better. just my 2 cents.
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| | | 294 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 08:42
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Its just BH always being critical of PD's trades. Which is weird cause he just intimated that Cruz wasn't that good 15 posts ago.
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| | | 295 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 08:51
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Another bonus of the same day stuff, I pushed the trade through this morning and PD will get Beckett's start tonight.
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| | | 296 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 09:02
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I'd like to welcome my new free agent ace pitcher... Carl Pavano. **shakes hands, holds up jersey while trying not to injure him**
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| | | 297 | barilko6
ID: 273371610
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 11:37
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Really? People have a problem with this trade?
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| | | 298 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 12:32
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Pretty sure I said Cruz "wasn't as good as Andre Ethier" and not "Cruz sucks".
True, Beckett and Cruz are pretty close in current value. But Beckett is about at his peak value, and Cruz could really turn into a superstar. As long as we're talking about "selling high" then I think Beckett is the guy being sold high.
No matter. I don't either team is going to beat me no matter who they have.
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| | | 299 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 13:25
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Cruz could really turn into a superstar.
how's mark prior doing?
Cruz is good. but he's also 30 years old. on the average, he's about to hit the downside of his career.
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| | | 300 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 13:34
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Oh my god! That's Tree's music! Where the hell did he come from??!!
Just saying that Cruz has more upside potential than Beckett. Not claiming by any stretch that he'll hit it.
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| | | 301 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 13:57
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I don't think beckett has the potential to be more than a marginal keeper (meaning to me RD 6-8 redraft) and that is not really a player who is helping your team. Cruz IMO, has the potential to be a 3-4 rounder if he continues to show what he has last year and half (IMO he will, but he obviously has risks related to whether he is real and that he isnt the youngest) Thats why I think it is clear which side i better, though it is a close enough deal that I could see situations where the beckett side makes sense for them. Not sure why I am really arguing however, as it clearly isn't close to a vetoable trade.
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| | | 302 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 14:13
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Just saying that Cruz has more upside potential than Beckett.
by definition, a Pony League all-star has more upside potential than Beckett. Doesn't mean i'd want him on my team.
:: chair shot!!!! ::
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| | | 303 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 14:27
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Ya know, i always heard the Political League had lots of talk and discussion... this league blows them out of the water and with 33% less teams to contribute.
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| | | 304 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 14:29
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Yeah, but both leagues would be booooring without my trading schemes...
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| | | 305 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 14:46
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Sounds like we need to work on a Poli deal then, cause nobody has said anything in a week over there.
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| | | 306 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 15:57
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I was a pony-league all star snub. Man, I stink.
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| | | 307 | holt
ID: 56217179
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 16:17
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You all suck.
Just wanted to contribute.
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| | | 308 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 16:36
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I was a pony-league all star snub. Man, I stink.
i guess they never saw your upside potential.
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| | | 309 | barilko6
ID: 34351616
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 17:05
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If anyone has upside potential, its me. In fact I plan to smack you all upside the head!
hahahaha....see what I did there? I used the word upside twice in the same paragraph, but with two entirely different meanings. Upside. And then another upside some 12 words later. Classic stuff.
Reminds me of the time when Blue Hen and I were walking downtown Toronto and he noticed these prostitutes grabbing some hoes to cultivate their garden, and then without even realizing it, Blue Hen pointed them out and said, "Hey, check out those...."
Wait, I better not finish that one.
True story.
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| | | 310 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 19:40
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#285: Just for clarification, both are 29. And Cruz is about 6 weeks younger than Beckett.
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| | | 311 | Peter N.
ID: 33241319
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 19:42
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Ya'll all suck...just thought I'd add a texas twist to the trash talking.
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| | | 312 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 20:03
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I can't believe people are making hay out of this trade. I don't think anyone had an issue. Just saying that if I were a rebuilding team I'd rather have Cruz than Beckett, especially when Cruz is my best hitter. But hey, everyone has their own values in fantasy, that's a big part of what makes it interesting.
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| | | 313 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sat, Apr 17, 2010, 01:23
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PD <3's the Red Sox...lol
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| | | 314 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sun, Apr 18, 2010, 22:30
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BH, nice 5-save day for you! I don't think you have any ace-closers....but you sure managed to spread your chances for saves.
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| | | 315 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Apr 18, 2010, 23:23
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Heh, I didn't even notice. I guess that's what I get for having five (and a half) closers. Lindstrom is the key - I have him in several leagues and if he holds on to it, that'll be sweet.
By the way, I'm pretty sure Jonathan Broxton is an elite closer, despite only one save so far this year. Honestly, he might be the best closer in baseball - good team, good park, solid grasp, lots of strikeouts AND he's only 25.
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| | | 316 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sun, Apr 18, 2010, 23:25
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sorry, I stand corrected. Broxton is definitely legit. Amidst the other names somehow I overlooked him when making my previous post.
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| | | 317 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Apr 18, 2010, 23:29
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Hey, Tobi Stoner got called up and pitched tonight. I figure I'll need a different placeholder. I picked up Denny Stark, who is also quite unlikely to pitch this year, as a replacement replacement for Drew Storen, who I still claim rights to. Same initials, so I guess that's a start. Or a Stark.
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| | | 318 | Great One
ID: 33326158
Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 08:46
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Its funny that we can't even pick a guy so ridiculous that he won't get called up. But of course when the Mets are involved lol...
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| | | 319 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 10:00
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Not that I knew it at the time, but Stoner is exactly the type of player a team like the Mets calls up the day after they play a 20 inning game.
When I saw him last night (by searching for "ST"), I figured Denny Stark would be the perfect placeholder since he hadn't pitched since 2004... until he appeared in 9 games for the Mariners last season. Maybe he's not so great after all. We'll see how it goes.
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| | | 320 | barilko6
ID: 313411914
Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 15:41
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you guys are all in trouble.
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| | | 321 | holt
ID: 20202323
Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 22:54
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Daily Fantasy Video Highlights are now available for $9.95. See all the action right from your roster page all season long! Check it out now. Your free preview period ends on April 25th. Buy now.
Not tempting at all.
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| | | 322 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, Apr 20, 2010, 19:44
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can't knock that yahoo! hustle.
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| | | 323 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, Apr 20, 2010, 19:45
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bh - i need a closer...lets talk!
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| | | 324 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 17:07
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For the past week 6 of my hitters are under the proverbial Mendoza line and one is actually under .100. Manny Ramirez was my only one doing well, and today he joined Ellsbury,Rollins and Lee on the DL. It seems like it is going to be one of those seasons.
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| | | 325 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 18:36
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Good - One down, 10 to go!
Oh wait. I have Manny in RIBC. Totally wasn't expecting his calf to land him on the DL. Sucks.
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| | | 326 | Great One
ID: 23336239
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 13:48
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Dead last in Runs, HR's and RBI's... thats hard to do! My team must think all those 1's mean we are first.
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| | | 327 | barilko6
ID: 583212613
Mon, Apr 26, 2010, 14:22
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You're like 2/3rds of Juan Pierre!!!
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| | | 328 | holt
ID: 583242816
Wed, Apr 28, 2010, 17:28
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Pretty sure I was dead last in all the hitting categories for a while last year. It's a long season.
Who has Trevor Hoffman? Dotel is so bad I'm ready to bench him, but Hoffman is beyond terrible. Dotel is on the block btw, so get your awesome offers in.
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| | | 329 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Wed, Apr 28, 2010, 23:06
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i have trevor hoffman... gosh, i love this game.
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| | | 330 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 23:23
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Just posted on our league site...anyone who has an extra SS and wants OF depth ... shoot me an email and hopefully we can work something out!
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| | | 331 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 23:32
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Tejada had a nice night for you. I watched that home run he hit--pretty nice smash.
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| | | 332 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 23:44
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This had been my plan all along if you couldnt tell...but I am officially going for 2011.
Anyone looking to get a leg up this season and (hopefully) improve their team to make a run this year while sacrificing some of your future let me know, as I am interested.
Not sure how much I have to offer for SS. Drew is likely an upgrade but not sure that is what you are looking for.
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| | | 333 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 23:49
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PD, thus far I've watched mediocrity from him ... so I guess I should be happy with his performance tonight. I don't think he'll help me much this year. dpr, I'm looking for a SS that hits towards the front of his respective lineup and will produce Runs and steal some bases.
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| | | 334 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 23:59
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well guess who leads SS in runs and hits 2nd in 2nd best offense in baseball(to date)?
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| | | 335 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, May 01, 2010, 00:15
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PD, counter offer sent to you.
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| | | 336 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, May 01, 2010, 00:20
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All right. I'm probably taking more of a risk on this one, but I think Tejeda & Pods will move toward their mean a bit more. And I've really given up on Vazquez--obviously!
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| | | 337 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, May 01, 2010, 01:08
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I'll probably regret this once Tejada starts taking his 'B12' shots.
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| | | 338 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, May 01, 2010, 15:47
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Now if I can just figure out when to start Andruw Jones and when to bench him. I started him last night and he got benched with back spasms. So I bench him today and he has 2 HR and 1 SB so far.
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| | | 339 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:14
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I'd start anyone facing Vazquez.
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| | | 340 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:17
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His 2nd venture in NY isn't much different than his first one ... ugh
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| | | 341 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sat, May 01, 2010, 23:16
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PD, why don't you post what you think Pods and Tejada will look like by the end of the year?
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| | | 342 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, May 02, 2010, 09:52
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I think both will hit a shade under .300 for the year. Tejeda will have 15 dingers (perhaps more) and about 90 rbis. Pods will have 25 steals.
Very stupid of me to try to get one more start out of Vasquez.
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| | | 343 | barilko6
ID: 20451213
Sun, May 02, 2010, 14:51
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I agree PD, that is why I offloaded him in the offseason!
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| | | 344 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Wed, May 05, 2010, 00:08
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FYI - Perm Dude and I did meet up after all. I got him so drunk he traded for Miguel Tejada.
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| | | 345 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Wed, May 05, 2010, 00:09
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haha! I owe you one BH ;)... next time tell me ahead of time so I can package a better trade.
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| | | 346 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, May 05, 2010, 10:14
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Heh.
Yeah, he's only hitting .455 since he came over. I'm happy. Pods should start swiping bases as well.
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| | | 347 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, May 06, 2010, 12:32
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Maybe I am asking too early, but I am surprised that no one is looking to make a move for this year.
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| | | 348 | Great One
ID: 243372812
Thu, May 06, 2010, 12:42
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I'm still looking to buy more hitting and to break up all my BOS/NYY pitchers...
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| | | 349 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, May 06, 2010, 12:54
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I sent something, tho it is more talking points than a proposal.
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| | | 350 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sat, May 08, 2010, 10:57
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i'm looking to deal a pitcher via 2 for 1 upgrade. let me know if anybody has some interest.
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| | | 351 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, May 08, 2010, 23:36
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another pain in the ass night of not being able to make moves because "A player has already played and is no longer editable for today." Grrrr.
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| | | 352 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, May 09, 2010, 00:41
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Yeah PD, I got that too. Annoying.
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| | | 353 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, May 09, 2010, 23:03
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Re 351 and 352-I have had this problem also. If the league voted to change, perhaps Yahoo tech support would allow it.
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| | | 354 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sun, May 09, 2010, 23:09
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I concur, being on the west coast this is not optimal. GO, can we put this to vote?
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| | | 355 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 09:05
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We could put it to a vote, but I don't think they can really do anything once the season has started. Should we vote anyhow? Personally I have greatly preferred this because I've been able to add/drop guys into my lineups immediately 10 minutes before a guy is set to play dozens of times and haven't once yet tried to drop someone after their game started. I think the whole point from their point of view is you can't drop a guy on the same day you are playing him.
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| | | 356 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 09:07
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... so yes, it would be nice in the future if they would just make that move effective the next day.
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| | | 357 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, May 10, 2010, 09:34
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#355: The way it works on Yahoo is that you cannot make a move even when the games involved are over. And they do not give you the option to make the move for the next day's roster.
I might be alone here, but I do most of my research in the evening. I follow a few of the games, and if a player comes up that I want to get I pick him up right then. I also make moves involving probable starters but (again) I'm not permitted to make the move because the player's team has already started that day's game--even though I don't want them for that day's game.
I work very late into the evening--sometimes after the West Coast games finish. And I would even find the whole thing acceptable if I was permitted to pick up players at the conclusion of the last day's game. But that is seemingly impossible too.
I like same day pickups when I can do them, but not at the cost of no evening pickups at all.
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| | | 358 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 09:41
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You can drop anyone not in your starting lineup, so no evening pickups at all isn't really accurate.
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| | | 359 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, May 10, 2010, 09:58
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I actually had a DL situation - I was trying to move Blanton off my DL, since it wouldn't let me do anything with him in that slot. But since his game started, he was locked into that slot, and still wouldn't let me do anything even though tomorrow's roster had him out of it.
Fortunately, none of you suckers had picked up John Buck by the time I got in this morning.
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| | | 360 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 10:32
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I emailed to ask them if it was possible to switch (if we decided to). Also asked if there is a plan to remedy the situation. I was thinking, they can delay add/drops with waivers -- maybe they should be every player on a one day waiver overnight? But you can still add drop as you see fit.
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| | | 361 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, May 10, 2010, 10:35
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You can drop anyone not in your starting lineup, so no evening pickups at all isn't really accurate.
AFAIK, you can't pickup players once their game has started on that day.
The problem is that Yahoo insists on applying same-day rules to all pickups. I'm not interested, after the games have started, in making changes to that day's roster. And there is no reason, in any case, to apply the same day rules to the day's games which have already ended.
Again--I may be the only one here who does this, but effectively blocking evening pickups for the following day is not something I'd be interested in continuing.
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| | | 362 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 10:55
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No but a guy on my bench who was in a 7 PM can be dropped, he's not frozen at all. So I can drop him and pick up whoever for a 10 PM game. Maybe they could do something like "after the last game has started" then all everyone unlocks and add/drops go to the next day.
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| | | 363 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, May 10, 2010, 12:20
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So I can drop him and pick up whoever for a 10 PM game
Not entirely, you can't. You can't pick up a guy whose team already played in a game that day, for example.
Yes, you can make some moves: You can move players whose team haven't played for another player whose team hasn't played. You can move bench guys for players whose team have yet to play. And both those types of moves will occur immediately.
Not altogether helpful when you are trying to make moves at 10pm, for example. Or at any time for the next day's games.
I don't want this to sound like a big hairy deal, especially since we are locked into this for the season. But I'm certainly not getting out of the change anything close to what I'm paying into it, IMO.
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| | | 364 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, May 10, 2010, 12:44
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I have played alot of TSN games in the past and with this being the same system i like the way that it is set up.
We chose same day rosters so the logic makes sense that you can't pick up players once they have played or completed there game, as you would be picking them up for that day.
I don't know what time things unfreeze but I know that couple days ago I was able to pick Chacin up at 1040PM PST so it isnt incredibly late for west coast people.
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| | | 365 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 12:54
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Its probably right after whenever the overnight processing occurs.
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| | | 366 | barilko6
ID: 364291014
Mon, May 10, 2010, 15:29
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I see pros and cons in both formats, neither being strong enough for me to prefer one over the other.
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| | | 367 | Great One
ID: 4841108
Mon, May 10, 2010, 15:54
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Its like Tim Horton's new M%M chocolate covered donut vs. the old school honey dip or apple fritter.
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| | | 368 | Astade
ID: 38542218
Mon, May 10, 2010, 20:13
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Something is inconsistent here because I picked up Braden
after he started yesterday. How did that work?
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| | | 369 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, May 11, 2010, 21:55
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the top of the 5th in the twins game highlights my teams hitting struggles.
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| | | 370 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, May 15, 2010, 16:36
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I can't believe some of those guys in this massive trade are even on rosters. Hochevar?
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| | | 371 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Sat, May 15, 2010, 16:49
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I obviously going for the future and jsut looking for guys with upside. As a former number one pick he has it. he started out pretty good but has struggled lately. Prob held onto him too long but not much upside on waivers anyways.
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| | | 372 | barilko6
ID: 574581515
Sat, May 15, 2010, 16:59
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Yeah, this is a pretty big blockbuster, and I am looking forward to getting these pieces onto my championship roster.
It hurts to part with the biggest player in the deal, but now I have some flexibility to make some further moves.
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| | | 373 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 12:44
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George Will agreeing with Bill James, Beane etc "Batting average is a hopelessly Neanderthal metric of success"... suggesting we switch the Triple Crown from AVG to OBP. I can't agree more. Wish our league would follow suit.
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| | | 374 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 13:06
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if you do a drastic change from AVG to OBP in a keeper league, i think it needs to be voted on for 2 to 3 seasons in the future. teams have been built on one stat - to change for the upcoming season could potentially mess up some strategies...
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| | | 375 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 13:11
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I'd be all for starting it in 2013 or something like that.
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| | | 376 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 13:12
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Actually, considering we have most of 2010 still to play with, 2012 makes sense for a shift if anyone else had interest.
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| | | 377 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 13:17
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I actually had this thought earlier this week reading my ESPN the Magazine... and seeing the great George Will say it I found it interesting. Here was the ESPN player poll -- Question: What's the most overrated statistic in baseball? The biggest loser: batting average (16 percent, just ahead of ERA, 13 percent). "Who cares if you get a bunch of singles and end up hitting .320?" says an AL outfielder who didn't approach .320 in 2009. Most underrated stat was on-base percentage (14 percent), beating runs and WHIP (10 percent each). Says the singles-hitter hater: "OBP shows the true impact of a hitter."
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| | | 378 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Sun, May 16, 2010, 13:45
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I'm surprised wins isnt up there. Though I guess with them being the purpose of the game maybe they are hard to overrate. More like least telling of ability?
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| | | 379 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Sun, May 16, 2010, 14:21
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I agree on that, just ask Grienke lol... poor guy.
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| | | 380 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Sun, May 16, 2010, 14:50
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Did we push thru the trade early? probably isnt a good idea to do that 30 mins before games start. Now we both have holes in the lineup from where the players we traded were and didnt have time to start the new guys.
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| | | 381 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, May 16, 2010, 17:00
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Wins will always be a stupid stat as long as they keep handing them out the way they do. Starter throws 8 shutout innings and has two run lead, reliever comes in, gives up 3 runs in 1 inning, then team comes back to win 4-3. Stupid reliever who gave up 3 runs gets win. Great.
I've always heard that the scorer can use discretion when charging wins and losses but I've never seen it happen.
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| | | 382 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Sun, May 16, 2010, 20:18
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agree with Tree's logic in post 374...that being said, I prefer OBP.
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| | | 383 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, May 16, 2010, 20:32
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#381: I think it comes from the misguided belief that each team win has to get assigned to a particular pitcher. They should have "team wins" which could be assigned for those types of games (there should never be a player who gets a BS and W in the same game, IMO).
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| | | 385 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Mon, May 17, 2010, 00:46
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Damn it, sorry about pushing that through, it didn't click it was a weekend with all the day games. Usually I just pump them through the next morning, but I got up late and was rushing and didn't think. I went in to try and put the traded guys in the lineup but can't move anyone after games started. I can probably put a request in to get Nolasco added back to DPR's lineup and Tex/Smoak to Barilkos... thankfully nobody went absolutely crazy with like a 3 HR game or something.
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| | | 386 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Mon, May 17, 2010, 01:11
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wins, in MLB, may be overrated.
wins, in fantasy, are not. part of drafting is knowing that wins can be arbitrary, but also knowing that a pitcher who pitches for a contender is likely to get more wins than a pitcher who pitches for a doormat.
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| | | 387 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, May 17, 2010, 01:25
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well if anything they are worth more in real life...
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| | | 388 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Mon, May 17, 2010, 08:37
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well if anything they are worth more in real life...
for a team, yes. for a pitcher, no.
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| | | 389 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Mon, May 17, 2010, 17:24
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I saw a very interesting argument that Quality Starts were almost exactly like wins, but slightly better. There's a minimum inning limit, and you can still get one if you struggle a bit (the old 4.50 ERA situation). They're not perfect, but they're better than giving positive credit for losses.
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| | | 390 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, May 17, 2010, 20:22
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yea quality starts are a much more pitcher dependent way of doing it instead of basing it half on the offense. You get credit for putting your team in position to win, which really is the job.
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| | | 391 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, May 23, 2010, 15:18
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Jose Lima dead at 37, apparently from a massive heart attack. Weird.
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| | | 392 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, May 23, 2010, 19:42
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The end of Lima Time. Pretty sad. He was an entertaining pitcher.
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| | | 393 | barilko6
ID: 204582318
Sun, May 23, 2010, 19:58
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Sad. He was one of the few guys that I would have guessed he would have played the game for free.
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| | | 394 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, May 23, 2010, 20:24
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From the article I read it sounded like he still played winter ball.
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| | | 395 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, May 24, 2010, 16:08
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Well last year was a tumultuous one with all of my injuries, but much like the real Bombers (Yankees), I re-tooled during my off year and am now back on top once again where it is familiar ;)
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| | | 396 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, May 25, 2010, 12:04
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Rollins finally returned only to go back on the DL after a few games, Sizemore went on the DL, and Ellsbury is about 1 for 14 with no SBs after coming off the DL. Yet I have been able to maintain 6th place only 17 points off the lead. If my team gets healthy, it should make a strong run at the lead.
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| | | 397 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Tue, May 25, 2010, 12:36
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Disappointed I sat Bucholz last night. My pitching has been underwhelming so far but I think with the track record some of these guys have it should turn around. My teams rise from last place has coincided with Bay's rebound so hopefully that keeps up. I am gonna have to move one of these Mets -- Bay or Ike -- when Beltran returns.
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| | | 398 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, May 25, 2010, 12:45
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my team is also primed to make a run to the top.
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| | | 399 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, May 25, 2010, 22:31
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No offense Loki, but is it time for us to stop considering Sizemore a notable name? (i have him in 2 other leagues...and it just pisses me off b/c his value is so low so I can't trade him but I hate the fact he's on my roster to begin with... as for my quartely report card...my team got out to an ultra-fast start but my pitching has been awful as of late...I thank Longoria and Werth who have carried me, but I need to get more production out of the rest of the lineup...I think in due time water will find its level, but these guys have to start stepping up!
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| | | 400 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Thu, May 27, 2010, 07:57
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man...bomb squad is just lighting it up!
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| | | 401 | Astade
ID: 38542218
Thu, May 27, 2010, 12:07
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That's because all he does is cycle through all the Free
Agents. He does it every year...Kinda lame
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| | | 402 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Thu, May 27, 2010, 13:50
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Thats what the Poli leagues wants you to do... use the waiver wire as your bench.
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| | | 403 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, May 27, 2010, 14:03
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Re 399-Duly noted.
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| | | 404 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Thu, May 27, 2010, 14:18
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I traded so much to get Sizemore in G20 a few years back... it was a quick fall from grace. Lucky I got rid of him there when I did.
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| | | 405 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, May 27, 2010, 15:44
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Are you being serious Astade? It's lame that I am active on the waiver wire?
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| | | 406 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Thu, May 27, 2010, 15:49
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Yeah, I'll take that kind of active managing over those that check in once a week. Not the case so much in this league, but man are there people who have already tuned out in RIBC (and Lucky 13 previous years).
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| | | 407 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, May 27, 2010, 16:05
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It is only a matter of time before some of those FA pickups explode--I have no problem with an active waiver picker in the league.
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| | | 408 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Thu, May 27, 2010, 16:11
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Yeah, and you give up on a guy you shouldn't have... like when I let go of Freese.
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| | | 409 | Astade
ID: 38542218
Thu, May 27, 2010, 20:31
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I was just giving you a hard time for having nearly double the
FA pickups over the next closest manager.... Think nothing of
it.
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| | | 410 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Thu, May 27, 2010, 20:36
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I don't even know why I have Freese. He's completely blocked by David Wright. Checking my team log, he's 3 for 20 for me. 1 rbi.
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| | | 411 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Thu, May 27, 2010, 23:57
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you can't get him in your UT spots? .327 AVG and 23 RBI's the last month you should be starting him over Guillen and Torres at I'd say.
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| | | 412 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Fri, May 28, 2010, 08:26
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Anybody have interest in Dan Haren?
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| | | 413 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, May 29, 2010, 14:03
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I'm interested if the price is agreeable, just not sure what you want in return.
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| | | 414 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, May 30, 2010, 18:40
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Peter N-Re our predraft trade: I used the draft pick for Wandy Rodriguez and he has pitched so poorly that I have had him on the bench for most of the season. Scherzer finally did what he is capable of, but I see you had him on the bench.
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| | | 415 | Peter N.
ID: 464303018
Sun, May 30, 2010, 19:30
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Yeah, I had him in the starting lineup in the 20 team league, but forgot to start him in DD. I'm still holding out he'll stay a keeper for me.
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| | | 416 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, May 31, 2010, 13:51
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Kendry Morales, just ridiculous. Who has Morales? Reminds me of the King of the Hill episode where Hank warns Bobby about being prideful during sports events.
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| | | 417 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, May 31, 2010, 22:30
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Kendry Morales is not alone.Check out this link: Injured while celebrating
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| | | 418 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 14:23
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Nothing like a 10 player deal to get the blood flowing...
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| | | 419 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 14:46
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There is far too much in that trade for me to make any sense of it, but the guy getting Sabathia and Bay wins. Some people love Tommy Hanson way too much.
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| | | 420 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 15:39
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I lose, wooooo!!!! :) but somehow I will move up in the standings this year AND improve my keeper situation beyond. And his squad is better too now. We're all winners.
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| | | 421 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 15:47
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Hanson would be the best pitcher on the Blue Hens... maybe you should make an offer.
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| | | 422 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 15:57
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Hard to get a read on big trades like this. I think Ibanez and Damon have little value two years out but maybe that's not what he's going for.
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| | | 423 | Great One
ID: 594322114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 16:11
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I can't keep any of these guys anyway, so to me the only keepers involved was turning CC into Hanson. Bay/Bucholz/Ike turned into Swisher/Aardsma and I freed up a spot for Montero to come off the DL cause I'm dropping Ibanez.
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| | | 424 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 17:14
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Exactly. I'd rather have Cain or Hamels than Hanson, but maybe that's why I'm so far down in the standings.
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| | | 425 | Great One
ID: 39342317
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 17:55
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Yeah ESPN (whoo!) keeper rankings have CC #38, Hanson #40, Cain #77 and Hamels #68.
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| | | 426 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 17:56
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Pretty sure I said "I'd rather have..." than anything else.
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| | | 427 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 21:39
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Bryce Harper has received as much hype as a hitter as Strasberg did as a pitcher. The Nationals did not do it with Strasberg, but is there a chance that they will give Harper a taste of MLB in September?--Wishful dreaming from the number one draft prioity.
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| | | 428 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 21:44
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he should be a junior in high school...plus catchers (if he sticks, take longer)
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| | | 429 | slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 20:06
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If Harper has "C" Eligibility as a Rookie...where do you draft him at? 12 team league, no keepers, with our scoring format
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| | | 430 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 21:03
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Well that probably wont be until 2013 or later so it is really hard to say. But if he keeps up the hype and is the top prospect at that point then I guess be like Heyward if we knew that he had the job out of camp.
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| | | 431 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 12353217
Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 21:41
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(Saw this in my feed reader for Rotoguru Baseball)
The word I've heard in listening to the Nats announcers is that Harper will be groomed for a few years and will be an OF, so it's highly unlikely he'll have any C eligibility and even more highly unlikely that he'll be in MLB in September (this year).
Other than that, I think the Heyward comparison is on target.
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| | | 432 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jun 15, 2010, 23:53
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This is the worst injury while celebrating:
http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/140474-bound-happen-postgame-
celebration-seriously-injures-tucson-player.html
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| | | 433 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 00:20
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Found this Judy. update from 2008
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| | | 434 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Jun 21, 2010, 23:35
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GO, I received your trade offer. Please see my comments in the response. Thanks.
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| | | 435 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 00:21
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GO, I want to pick your brain and am interested in the reasoning behind the trade. I can see how you would do this trade for the future, with Josh Johnson as probably the best player involved, but I don't see it helping you this year, and you are definitely in contention for a top 3 place. (Josh Johnson for Hughes, Rios, Aardsma).
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| | | 436 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 01:11
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Don't question GO. He is a supreme manager ;) P. Hughes will skip his next start (and according to Eiland, more down the stretch). Look at my stable of starting pitching... This is really Johnson for Rios + Aardsma. GO, got another stud pitcher and even if he doesn't place this year, he has a keeper to boot. Btw, I noticed you are looking for a Closer...ready to trade Reyes?!
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| | | 437 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 01:14
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full disclosure...i made similar trades last year trying to broaden my depth my trading a keeper and it backfired. I ended up finishing in 5th (I was in 2nd or 3rd at one point) thanks to my new acquisitions faltering. Watch it happen again, lol.
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| | | 438 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 01:35
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This is really Johnson for Rios + Aardsma Managers often downplay the receiving side of their trades, but this might take the cake ;) Hughes is only about halfway through his innings limit.
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| | | 439 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 01:56
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true... but he won't get anywhere near the IP of Johnson. so... you are looking for a closer, right?
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| | | 440 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 08:57
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Hughes getting a few starts skipped isn't a big deal in Roto -- its hurting me in H2H -- but I don't see it as a big deal in Roto cause he's still got 100 good innings to throw this year or so. People often ask why I make some of the deals I do. I'm not really sure, I just wanted Josh Johnson. So Astade told me which holes he needed filling - Steals and Saves... and then a good young SP to replace Josh if he was going to part with him. And I got it done. I will just have to find someone to replace Rios and Aarsdma now. I guess we'll see if I fall in the standings or not now. Also I drafted Hughes, Rios late this year so I don't have a huge attachment to them. And we all know how I feel about closers.
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| | | 441 | Peter N.
ID: 535532221
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 09:50
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I think Da Bomb is getting nervous because Astade received more immediate help and he's knocking at the door. :-) Its a fair deal though as GO received a top 5 SP keeper for years to come. Far better of a trade than a Denard Span for Neftali Feliz that I was offered. That was almost insulting. ;-)
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| | | 442 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 09:55
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I guess you feel that way because you plan on keeping Feliz. But myself and others like GO never keep closers in a league like this. People value players differently. Re: 439, yes.
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| | | 443 | Peter N.
ID: 535532221
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 10:35
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When you look at my team, Feliz is most definitely a keeper. On top of that, Span wouldn't even get a sniff at being a keeper. Explain how that trade would've made any sense to me.
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| | | 444 | Peter N.
ID: 535532221
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 10:49
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If you are looking are looking for some starting pitching, Hudson and Oswalt are available for a draft pick.
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| | | 445 | Astade
ID: 38542218
Thu, Jun 24, 2010, 11:41
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Peter N, you weren't the only one that kept getting trade
offers for Span!
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| | | 446 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jun 25, 2010, 10:30
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I kept Jonathan Broxton for the last two years. Any complaints?
I also got an offer for Span, but he's only valuable if desperately need steals AND have a spot in the outfield with someone who is a one-dimensional power hitter.
Personally, I tend to overindex on Hughes and underindex on Johnson, but if you feel the way most people do about both of them, then this trade makes perfect sense.
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| | | 447 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, Jun 26, 2010, 01:18
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just watched the end of the NYY-LaD game. Does anyone have any sites they can point me to with the statistics of batters that face Mariano Rivera for the first time. BH, perhaps?
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| | | 448 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sat, Jun 26, 2010, 09:53
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There are only about 2-3 closers worth keeping year to year. One of them is Broxton. Congratulations on those awesome 50 IP he gives you each year. What about the other 1350 innings? No wonder you are 12 points in saves and about 10 total points in the other 4 categories combined.
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| | | 449 | dpr
ID: 21517275
Sun, Jun 27, 2010, 06:17
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The positive value of broxtons era lqst year (qnd it was a fairly standard ERA for him) was worth more thqn the ERA of J Johnson, CC, verlander,lester jiminez and lee. Add in thqt closer qre likely more durable and he makes a fine keeper.
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| | | 450 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sun, Jun 27, 2010, 09:29
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No it wasn't because his 50 IP of a really good ERA coupled with a crappy starter for 200 IP... isn't better than 200 IP from i.e. Josh Johnson and 50 IP from random late round closer i.e Jon Rauch.
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| | | 451 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sun, Jun 27, 2010, 09:31
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Closers are more durable? Thats far from the truth... per ESPN regarding keeping closers if there's any aspect in which saves are even more unpredictable, it's forecasting consistency in the category over several seasons. To that point, if we establish 40 as a good benchmark in the category, only two closers (Francisco Rodriguez and Jose Valverde) have reached that plateau in two of the past three seasons. Two. No one has done it all three years. Even if we adjust that benchmark down to 30, only six relievers (Francisco Cordero, Trevor Hoffman, Joe Nathan, Jonathan Papelbon, Mariano Rivera and Rodriguez) have done it in each of the past three seasons. That's a startling amount of inconsistency. You'll note, too, that both Hoffman and Rivera are beyond their 40th birthdays, so they're not even guaranteed to play each of the next three seasons.
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| | | 452 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Jun 27, 2010, 09:53
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All pitching is a crap shoot, particularly closers.
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| | | 453 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sun, Jun 27, 2010, 11:12
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Thats certainly true too.
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| | | 454 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 10:21
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Closers are just "less certain." There's a lot about them that can be predicted well. I knew Broxton was going to be at this level. I knew Brad Lidge could have a successful season in Philly.
But some are just confounding. Rafael Soriano until this year. Brian Fuentes. Ryan Franklin. Bobby Jenks. All those guys have success when they shouldn't and fail when they should.
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| | | 455 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 12:48
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Add Lidge to that list, too.
And way to jinx Broxton there.
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| | | 456 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Jun 28, 2010, 23:42
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Broxtons ERA was multiple more deviations from the mean(however we calculate those numbers) than Johnsons so even though Johnson gave 3x as many innings Broxton does more to keep an ERA down.
In terms of injuries I was just making a guess and don't have any data to make it up, but none of the data you state disputes it either. I just imagined that less innings would equal less injuries. While i know that turnover for closers is high how often are closers getting injured? I would think the odds of a top line closer getting injured over the course of the season would be lower than a starter.
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| | | 458 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 00:41
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Broxtons ERA was multiple more deviations from the mean(however we calculate those numbers) than Johnsons so even though Johnson gave 3x as many innings Broxton does more to keep an ERA down. Total innings matter more. You can have an ERA of 0.00 but if you throw 10 innings the effect on your team is marginal. For a quick comparison using 2009 stats, I used Josh Johnson (ERA 3.23) and Bobby Jenks (3.71) vs. Broxton (2.61) and Beckett (3.86). Johnson and Jenks had a combined ERA of 3.33 while the other side was at 3.53.
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| | | 459 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 00:42
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When you pair broxton with a starter who has fairly significant negative ERA for a top starter it is not surprising that he can't make up for all of it.
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| | | 461 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 00:51
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lets say you are going for a 9 in ERA. That is 3.48 currently.
If you have 1324 at 3.5 and 76 at 2.61 you get 3.45
If you have 1191 at 3.5 and 209 at 3.23 you get 3.46
So Broxton is slightly better. He inproves your ERA my 25% more (bit of rounding in this data and with the two being pretty close it doesnt show the point the best).
Broxton ERA was more than 3 times more under your goal ERA than Johnsons and he pitched slighly more than 1/3 as many innings.
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| | | 462 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 00:53
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Absolutely, dpr.
Typically, relievers will actually have higher ERA's and WHIP's anyway. Last year, 14 of the top 30 closers (in terms of of saves) had ERA's over 3.00, which means nearly half of the closers weren't really helping much at all to lower your squad's team ERA.
WHIP is the same way. If you don't have a reliever with a WHIP under about 1.25 then he probably isn't helping you at all. Last year only 12 of the top 30 closers had a WHIP under 1.25.
That makes sense for these guys to carry these numbers, because it only takes a couple of really bad outings to screw with the numbers. And they don't get enough IPs to knock a bad outing or two down.
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| | | 463 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 01:04
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Also, the 40 save plataeu was hit by 4 closers last year. If we use the same criteria as a "good benchmark" for wins then we get 19 (weakly came to this number but for 2008 it was 6, which for wins=18, 2007 7 had 40 saves which is 18 wins).
So if you are choosing a criteria that only 17 got in the last year years, and 4 last year is it surprising that only 2 got in twice? FOr wins only 3 guys have done it 2 of the last 3 years, with none doing it all 3 (webb, CC, verlander). Also there were 22 instances of 18 wins occuring so it was a somewhat significantly more likely event.
The ESPN statement is pretty silly and I imagine if you did similar "analysis" for ERA or other stats you would get similar results.
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| | | 464 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 10:02
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ESPN didn't say starting pitchers were a reliable keepers, it just said that closers were not (outside of a couple) because of injury and the volatility of the position. re 459 -- But the starters don't even matter that he picked. We can just use numbers with no specific pitcher attached. If you want better pitching stats across the board for a season, a good SP has more of an impact. Its simple math. Good Starting Pitcher X = 3.50 ERA for 200 IP
Average Closer Pitcher Y = 3.00 ERA for 50 IP
your 250 IP gets you a 3.40 ERA
Average Starter Pitcher X = 4.00 ERA for 200 IP
Great Closer Pitcher y = 2.50 ERA for 50 IP
your 250 IP gets you a 3.70 ERA
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| | | 465 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 10:05
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And Wins and Saves are very different things, because you can't get Wins if your team doesn't score even if you pitch a 1 run gem... but closers are guaranteed 40+ opportunites of a definite scenario of being brought in to close a game and it is most certainly in their control.
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| | | 466 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 11:23
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By saying that something isn't reliable it is implying that the other things are more reliable. Starters (at least with regard to wins, are not). And you say outside of a couple, isnt that all that we are talking about when we mention keepers?
Also, I am not sure i would like to keep a closer just because a closer will likely never be more than an average keeper. Broxton and the other top tier closers (rivera, papelbon, (nathan)) seem a good bet to have ADP in the 5 and 6th round for the next few years but those arent the players that give you a winning keeper list. it is having maybe on of those players with mainly top 4 round guys that sets you up.
My point was about the ERA. Look at post 461. Broxton goes farther towards getting you to the ERA that you want than Johnson does.
With each of these guys on your team and doing what they did last year, you need the rest of your team to pitch around 3.55 to give your team the goal of 3.5. If your goal is higher, then Broxton helps more, lower, Johnson helps more.
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| | | 467 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 11:43
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So you are saying Broxton has a huge impact on ERA/WHIP, so we should see that reflected pretty easily... lets go to the standings! Blue Hen has Broxton (1.87 and 1.10) + Valverde (0.53 and 0.68) + Nunez (2.27 and 0.98). So why is he DEAD LAST in WHIP and only 5 points in ERA? Because they have combined for 100 good innings. And his starters have (save for Matt Cain) pitched 400 below average innings. GO has 10th Round closer talent.... but has good starters. And an 8 in ERA and a 9 and WHIP. Because I have only 100 average IP from my closers, but 400+ good IP from my starters. Its simple math, the more good innings you have the better. Now that I have given away my entire pitching strategy. Great.
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| | | 468 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 11:59
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dpr, 461 - a closer's era has less impact than a starters era. Its very simple when done properly.
To do it properly, you have to use the same era for a comparison of the generic, 'closers vs starters.' Yes, there will be instances of specific closers having more beneficial impact than specific starters. But in general, you have to use the same era to compare the 2 types.
Dennys Reyez and Livan Hernandez are both sporting a 3.10 ERA. Reyes has it thru 20 Innings and Hernandez has it thru 98 innings. Without even doing the math, which do you think will have a great impact on your teams overall ERA?
If you want to use ERA to justify a specific closer over a specific pitcher, it can be done. But it cannot be done to counter the general sentiment from postings (in the 440-445 range) that closers do not make good keepers in this kind of a league.
Btw, how's my old team doing? I should have weathered the storm a bit longer. The drive to play is defintely still there. :)
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| | | 469 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 11:59
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Well if we are going to take one isolated instance (Blue Hen and his 3 total starters...) and draw from our conclusions from it, I have zero closers, why arent my ratios in first? Though I will give you that saves and ERA are positively related though I am not sure what that proves other than that there are alot of bad closer.
The point is for last year Broxton and Johnson had very similar positive effects on ERA.
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| | | 470 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 12:08
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468,
That is all pretty obvious. Obviously more innings is going to move the ERA farther from a point where it started, either higher or lower.
My point was a counter to GO statement that a closer does not pitch enough innings to help ERA. I stated how Broxton last year (who pitched a fairly average season for a keeper quality CL, which is the discussion) was able to more positively impact your team from an ERA perspective than many top flight starters. I used Johnson as my example as he was the closest to Broxton in ERA effect. Per my data there were only 14 starting pitches who had a more positive impact on ERA than Broxton. Of the top 12 in ERA effect 10 were starters because relievers dont pitch enough to beat guys who give sub 3 ERAs but once you get above that pitching an ERA around 2 beats an ERA around 3-3.5
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| | | 471 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 12:23
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I think BH is a pretty good example actually, cause he's throwing all these relievers to in theory have great ratios.... but just a couple starters that aren't going well are blowing the whole strategy out of the water because of the # of innings they throw. Conversely, a few good starters and 1 below average closer you won't even notice a change in the numbers because his IP hardly put a dent in the good 600 IP you got from 3 good starters.
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| | | 472 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 12:40
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As you noted in a higher post, closer ERAs are better in general than starter ERAs. But you are right - the reason I have 5 closers is because I try to only have quality SP so they can't ruin my ratios, and then load up on RP. I thought I was good with Hamels and Cain. Oh well.
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| | | 473 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 13:04
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BH's problem seems to be that he didnt get middle tier starters, or the ones that he did, did awful. 1/3 of his innings are good from relievers, 1/3 are good from solid starters in cain and hamels, but then he didnt draft people to fill his last third so those have an era near 5.5
really though, my point is beside the argument that a closer isn't a good keeper. it is that a closer can give as good help to your ERA as a starter. I have given many stats to this effect IMO. 75 innings at 2.5 helps as much as 200 at 3.2 if you are doing well.
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| | | 474 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 14:13
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Khahan - Slizz has your old squad, he was in first for most of the season, but has tailed off a bit, still in the top 5 though.
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| | | 475 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 16:26
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dpr in 473 - you are cherry picking stats to prove your point. I can cherry pick stats to disprove your point.
Aside from cherry picking stats,here is one thing you are missing (assuming hitting IP cap):
In your example, you have 125 innings unaccounted for. What are the other pitchers doing with your innings?
Is it better to have 75 innings at 2.5 and 125 innings at god-knows-what? or is it better to just have 200 innings at 3.2?
I don't know about in DD, but in RiBC South a 3.2 would be worth 16 points. So its well above average/norm. the chances of you filling in those other 125 innings with a quality pitcher who can keep you at 3.2 is pretty low. I'll take the 200 innings at a 3.2 era any day.
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| | | 476 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 18:34
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Speaking of closers, I'm looking to trade one or two if anyone is looking.
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| | | 477 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 20:19
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I am not sure what stats I cherry picked. Broxton was the initial discussion closer and I made the statement of several starters that his ERA had a more positive effect than in 449, the most borderline of them being Johnson, who is the SP stats I used. What was cherry picked? The stats I am using are the exact stats that would be used to compare the ERA effect of Johnson and Broxton for 2009.
And then in terms of which is better. I took 3.5 as a reasonable goal to try to achieve. This would give 9 points in the category this year which I think is the rule of thumb for what you should shoot for. Given this, the two pitchers help pretty much the same amount to get to your goal ERA.
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| | | 478 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 20:49
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We need to call in the experts...
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| | | 479 | holt
Donor
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Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 21:47
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I can tell you that it's a good idea to not punt saves, and bad closers are painful. I have Carpenter, Lincecum, Romero, and Kershaw. You might think I'd have nice ratios but Dotel, Bell, Jenks, and Gregg are killing me. My 1.35 whip is only ahead of BH's!
I may just be having bad luck so far though. I usually am among the leaders in saves, but this is the first time I've had such terrible closers.
When I see Dotel entering a game in a non-save situation I want to go out on the front porch and puke.
One last thing. Who cares if someone has a different strategy from yours? If an opponent is being an idiot, then that's a good thing, isn't it?
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| | | 480 | astade
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Tue, Jun 29, 2010, 22:36
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speaking of idiot... my tale spin continues. I should never be allowed to complete a mid-season trade ;)
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| | | 481 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 00:53
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My point was a counter to GO statement that a closer does not pitch enough innings to help ERA
To prove this point you choose to focus on 1 specific starter and 1 specific closer (it doesn't matter that somebody else brought them into the conversation, you choose to focus on them to prove this point). That is cherry picking. These 2 happen to prove your point so you continue to use their stats to support your position.
At the same time, your position suddenly slides from "My point was a counter to GO statement that a closer does not pitch enough innings to help ERA" to a comparison of, " the ERA effect of Johnson and Broxton for 2009."
If you want to make the point that specifically Broxton had a more positive impact than Johnson in 2009 then do it. I don't think anybody would argue with that. But that one incident does not prove the other point that a closer has enough IP to have an impact on team ERA (compared to a starter).
And holt, its not that I care that somebody has a different strategy. I'm not even in this league to compare with dpr. :) But I enjoy a good debate and also may get a new appreciation for closers by immersing myself in the debate. We all can learn something from it. I was surprised at the impact broxton could have on overall ERA, tbh. I double checked the math 3 times. Would I keep a closer based on that? Nahh. Money is still against any given pick having that kind of an impact.
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| | | 482 | astade
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Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 00:59
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miss you Greg!... this new commish we have is mediocre at best ;)
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| | | 483 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 01:14
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Well if I am going to be doing math to prove the point I need to use numbers (and you seem to think this part of the argument was telling so doing so made sense..). So how am I supposed to get numbers? I chose Broxton because he was mentioned by BH. Discussing elite closers and a 2.5 ERA isn't cherry picked. If I chose Rivera and 1.5 sure. But 2.5 is repeatable and a reasonable (conservative?) expectation for an elite closer. From there since we are comparing closers to starters obviously I need to compare to starters. I have conceeded that closers do not pitch enough innings to match the top SPs but they do pitch enough to compete with the second tier, of which I named several pitchers and then did the math with the best of this group (thereby implying that for the rest of the group broxton would fair even better). It wasnt broxton versus johnson, but broxton vs Johnson and all pitchers worse (all but 10-15 SPs)
I am not sure how my position slide. I was trying to show how a CL can compete with a starter in ERA effect (to counter GO point). To do this I used an fairly average ERA for a tier one closer and show how it competes with a good (though not elite ERA. I gave names here as I think it gives meaning to the argument instead of just hypothetical CL A with 2.5 ERA over 75 innings vs SP A with 3.2 over 200.
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| | | 484 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 01:17
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481 quote-
"If you want to make the point that specifically Broxton had a more positive impact than Johnson in 2009 then do it. I don't think anybody would argue with that. But that one incident does not prove the other point that a closer has enough IP to have an impact on team ERA (compared to a starter)."
If I prove that Broxton in an average year certainly repeatable many times over has a bigger effect than the pitcher with the 18th best ERA on the year than arent I proving that a closer can have a significant impact? Or can only the 17 players above johnson have a significant impact?
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| | | 485 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 02:10
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Before we go further, address the other 125 innings pitched you aren't accounting for.
This is the one big area you are missing.
As for where you get the data, start at 1400 IP since that is the league cap.
Figure out what ERA you are looking for. We'll use your goal of a 3.50 ERA.
Take the average number of innings pitched for a closer and the average number of innings pitched for a SP and take the average ERA for a closer and the average ERA for a SP.
Crunch the numbers. Thats where you get the numbers from for 'does a closer have enough innings to have a significant impact on team era compared to a closer.'
I think there is probably even justification for using means over averages.
If you want to keep using specific players to prove your point I can use specific players to disprove your point. What about Brad Lidge? Nobody saw his 7.71 ERA coming. He would have had a big negative impact.
What about Brian Fuentes, the MLB leader in saves in 2009 with a 3.93 ERA. If you have a 3.50 ERA thru 1345 IP and then add in Fuentes 55 IP and 3.93 era (24 runs) you actually end up with a 3.51 era. Not a significant difference.
Rafael Soriano at 75.2 IP ends you up with a 3.47 ERA. Not a significant impact.
In general, closers do not have enough innings to have a significant impact on a teams ERA in a league with 1400 IP. Yes, there may be exceptions to the rule. But those exceptions do not justify the general rule of thumb being ignored.
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| | | 486 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 09:50
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Right, but do the same calculation for Ryan Dempster, Jered Weaver, Matt Garza, Chad Billingsley, John Danks, Wandy Rodriguez, or Edwin Jackson. Those guys are unlikely to be found on the waiver wire - how much does it help drafting one of them over the bottom tier closer (let's say Dotel, Lindstrom, Francisco last year, Qualls last year, etc). And that's to say nothing of what happens when you start reaching to the Vicente Padillas and Vin Mazzaros of the world.
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| | | 487 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 10:19
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Actually that gets to the heart of my point BH. There is a difference between comparing specific individuals that fill different roles and comparing the two roles. I think we should probably move this to GO's thread though. Thanks for letting me butt in for a while here.
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| | | 488 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 10:56
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Yeah, I'd like to get more points of view thats why I moved it over... maybe from some RIBC guys who have tried different strategies etc.
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| | | 489 | holt
ID: 315293011
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 12:30
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Don't forget, before the season starts you only have probabilities to work with. What I'm trying to say is, before anyone starts using Josh Johnson's stats from this year, keep in mind that the stats are way better than all of the preseason projections. When you are putting your keeper list together, you don't have the luxury of seeing into the future. There are very few sure things in baseball. I thought Joe Nathan was one of the few sure things, so he's been a keeper for me for years. In previous years it was a good decision. This year, it was very bad. Still, I believe that top tier closers are worthy of keeping, depending on your roster. My adventure with sub-par closers will probably cause me to go after the top closers a lot harder next season.
Back to work...
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| | | 490 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 12:37
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Note -I think we were using Johnsons numbers from last year when he had a 3.23 and 1.16 which left him as the #12 ranked SP. This year he had a hot start giving him a 1.83 and 0.96 at the moment, but certainly I expect he'll wind up around the same as previous. I can say its been nice having Soria/Franklin this year cause I haven't really chased saves much like I do each year when I find them for free. But I sacrificed hitting when I picked those guys.
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| | | 491 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 13:52
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485-
To disprove does not all you have to prove is an instance of does. I proved (I believe this part has been accepted, at least by you) that Broxton has a bigger effect than the pitcher with the 18th best ERA.
To go past that as that aspect does admittedly make for a weak argument. I thought we were talking about keeper quality closers. The closers who were kept in this league posted ERAs of 2.61, 2.1, 1.76, and 1.85 in 2009. I was using the worst of these which is why I didnt feel my stat was cherry picked. Now if the worst (from an ERA perspective) has an impact of all but the top 20 starters that means that top tier closers have ERA effects of Tier2 starter. That I would consider a significant impact.
If we expand the argument to more than the top tier. To start with, you used Soriano and describe is impact of lower ERA by .03 as not significant. But remember that Johnson who had the 18th best ERA only lowered it .04 so .03 really is quite good and like puts him on par with at least a Tier3 starter. Now Lidge, he certainly had a significant impact, just not the kind your team wants. I would say without crunching the numbers that for a team goal of 3.5 a closer needs to have an ERA under 3 to have an imapct (or over 4 for the inverse). Of the top 30 closers, 11+ saves, 19 had ERAs under 3, who likely made impacts of around SP3s. Of closers with more than 25 saves (as guys with 15 saves aren't really closers...) 14/21 made significant positive impacts.
I think it is fair to say that closers to make a significant impact which while not on par with the top tier, compete with the rest.
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| | | 492 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:06
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Its still all about volume of innings pitched. And BH has THREE closers with absolutely dominant numbers... yet he is last in WHIP and bad in ERA. And he has Cain and Hamels who are good. Shouldn't those closers be offsetting the 1-2 crappy guys he's started beyond those two? Well they aren't getting it done. Because the three of them combined still can't counteract Matusz etc. The proof is in the standings. The closers don't pitch enough volume of innings to offset average pitchers #'s.
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| | | 493 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:11
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Now that is cherry picking stats.
How is matusz' near 5 ERA average? Or Porcello's near 6? Hardens 6+? Those are why he is doing poorly, and I believe he has a 5 in ERA so fairly average.
(all stats here are from memory of when I looked yesterday so they could be off by a bit)
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| | | 494 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:23
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Actually, Hamels has a 1.39 WHIP for the year, so he is decidedly NOT helping. Look at the list below... it's NOT about SP vs. RP, it's about being bad across the board. Look at Lindstrom, who has a 2.67 ERA and a 1.58 WHIP, totals that would be first in ERA and last in WHIP.
Porcello - 70 innings, 1.70
Blanton - 18 innings, 1.42
Harden - 60 innings, 1.70
Joba - 30 innings, 1.43
Lindstrom - 30 innings, 1.58
5 crappy outings from Padilla, Buerhle, Harang, Gio Gonzalez
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| | | 495 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:31
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I am not going to track all of BHs transactions within his lineup which makes this somewhat crude analysis but here goes.
Here is the starters on BHs roster for more than 30 days:
Cain 107.2 2.93
Hamels 90.1 4.08
Porcello 70 6.14
Harden 65 5.68
Blanton 68.1 6.19
Only Blanton has he dropped and that was a week ago so he had these guys the majority of the season. So assuming he was starting all of these guys, which is a big assumption and maybe BH can shed some light they give 401.3 innings with an ERA of 4.07. Yet his ERA is 3.86 so the closers did have a noticable effect, in this case moving him down .2. His RP ERA btw using the guys in his lineup which i assume has remained relatively constant is 2.74 (so solid obviously but nothing ridiculously good) over 194 innings.
That is obviously only 600 innings and he has pitched 800 so nothing is close to exact but with the remainder of his innings being pitched by spot starters like matusz millwood myers, beuhrle, gonzalez and wells I would only guess that they are hurting his starters portion of the ERA and improving the effect of relievers.
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| | | 496 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:50
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So what we are saying is... closers don't pitch enough volume of innings to offset average/bad pitchers #'s.
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| | | 497 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:54
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If everything were exactly the same, and we swapped Lester for Broxton before the start of this season. What would his stats be this season? And if those numbers are better then what they are right now, then that = the answer of who has a greater impact.
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| | | 498 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 14:59
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no one does. neither does cain or anyone. You expect them to magically lower the ERA to 1? What do you expect to happen when your starters are absolutely terrible?
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ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 15:00
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I bet if we swapped Lester for Broxton that ERA is lower than the 3.86 that Broxton was able to help get it to. And that is the crux of the debate. I picked him instead of Johnson, just cause Johnson is having an abnormally good year so far.
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| | | 500 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 15:05
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Without doing the math I can tell you that it is Lester. I have said numerous times that a CL cannot compete with the top tier which a 2.8 ERA is.
Also, when you are dealing with the higher numbers, like BHs ERA is then the analysis shifts to favoring starters, whereas if we shifted to a team with a 3.2 ERA it would shift to the closers.
Without getting into it too much, with the goal of 3.5 I have been using
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| | | 501 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 15:09
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BTW that analysis that you are calling for is the exact analysis that have done in this thread for a hypothetical team with a 3.5 ERA. It shows that for that team a 2.5ish from a reliever is very equivalent to a 3.2ish from a starter. This means that top tier (and I dont know how many are at 2.5 but say 1/4?) reliever has equal effect of the 20th starter. Thats an SP2.
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| | | 502 | Great One
ID: 505322312
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 15:38
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Well certainly if a team already has a 3.5 ERA then adding a closer with a 2.5 is going to help more than another starter who just keeps them at 3.5. But the question is how do you get to that magical 3.5 in the first place.
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| | | 503 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Wed, Jun 30, 2010, 19:29
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re 495 BH team log
Prob have to be logged into our league to read it.
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| | | 504 | astade
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Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 00:53
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Holt, sad to admit it but that is the first time I've seen the team log. That is a cool feature from Yahoo!. Thanks.
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Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 10:56
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If I had known Lester would have these numbers and that all my saves gambles would pay off (which isn't even true thanks to Chris Perez), then fine. But I had much more faith that Broxton would hit 2.00 than Lester 2.50.
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ID: 3265018
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 11:51
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I just picked him cause I thought he wasn't having the extreme good year that Josh was having. Lester did have 225 K's and a 3.41 last year and was on average chosen ahead of Broxton this year in drafts.
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| | | 507 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 12:17
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Well 3.4 is very different than 2.8. If we took the stats of both from last year than the answer would be broxton would have the bigger effect (very close though) for BH.
Generally speaking releivers throw 1/3 of the innings of starters so they need to be 3 times farther away from the rest of team ERA to have the same effect.
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| | | 508 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 13:01
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Without doing the math I can tell you that it is Lester. I have said numerous times that a CL cannot compete with the top tier which a 2.8 ERA is.
You don't want to compare a top tier closer to a top tier start to prove your point?
Look at it this way to figure out if a closer has more or less of an impact than a starter:
Take a team with an era of 4.00. They want to lower it and can choose between a SP who is projected to have an ERA of 3.00 or a RP who is projected to have a an ERA of 3.00
Wins, k's and Saves are not a consideration.
You have 1 slot you can fill. Who do you take?
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| | | 509 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 13:05
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That is obviously the starter but arent we past that point?
I have shown in this thread that top tier closers have a similar ERA effect to tier2 starters. Middle CL have the effect of tier3 starters.
Closers do not pitch enough innings to have the biggest impact of anyone in the game. But they do pitch enough to have a noticable impact. Around that of a tier2. That is a significant impact.
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| | | 510 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 13:11
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And no I do not have to compare top tier to top tier to prove my point. My point is that a closer, and certainly a keeper level closer, pitches enough innings to make a significant impact on ERA. Unless we define significant as something that only the top 10-15 pitchers reach I have clearly demonstrated this. 491 is a more written out post to that effect.
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| | | 511 | Peter N.
ID: 3966122
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 23:06
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Hey fellas, sorry to breakup the banter, but we have a trade! My trade with Astade, Oswalt for Baker, also includes Astade sending me his 6th round pick in exchange for my last round pick.
Big Papi and Hudson can be had for similar type deals.
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| | | 512 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Thu, Jul 01, 2010, 23:28
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confirmed.
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| | | 513 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 16:32
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Sheesh, Yadier Molina and his .231 average and .616 OPS is an all star starter. And Omar Infante made it as a reserve. Isn't he a reserve on the Braves?
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| | | 514 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 20:24
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wtf, Infante??
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| | | 515 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 12:15
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I know we live in a fantasy stats offensive universe - but isn't Yadier more about his amazing defense? ESPN article I remember from a while back... all the other catchers say he is the best. ESPN article
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| | | 516 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 12:26
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also, once a player gets into the ASG they tend to keep getting voted in. Victor Martinez, for example, kept getting voted in despite years of stats which were comparatively weak. And VMart has never has the defensive skills Yadi has.
Molina is tops among all active catchers at throwing out runners. He's a multi-year gold glover. And, according to several sources, he calls a great game.
Since the Home Run Derby seems to have assumed a larger and larger share of the attention for the All Star Game, hitting stats seem to have become more meaningful. But Yadi is a bit of a throwback to when other skills mattered.
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| | | 517 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 12:53
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Yeah Yadi is definitely very valuable to his team even if he hits .220. He must be one of the greatest defensive catchers the game has ever seen.
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| | | 518 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 13:01
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If is whole package is so good though wouldnt he be getting paid more? It is hard to quantify defense so in this sense I will trust the GMs to best evaluate the whole package. If he is paid like a average C (2 years ago 4 years 16M) when he is supposed to be a .275ish hitter he becomes an allstar when hitting .230? Seems a stretch. Also his UZR rating is lower this year than it has been in past years so his defense isnt even as valuable. If he signed a rookie contract or something to do with service time than I take it back but he had 3.5 seasons when he signed the contract.
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| | | 519 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 13:33
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Dpr, all I can say is I watch a lot of Cardinals games and it's my personal opinion that he is an incredible defensive catcher and team member. I wouldn't have any idea what his salary is.
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| | | 520 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 13:38
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He signed a 4 year contract in 2008. Since then, he's been selected to 3 ASGs. I suspect his next contract will get him a pretty big raise.
His BA for his career is .265 which, given his defensive skills, is pretty good. But even if he continues to hit as he has, he'll still set career highs in RBIs and will come close with dingers. This, coming from a guy not known for his bat.
I think, however, he'll start hitting closer to his career average pretty soon.
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| | | 521 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 13:41
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The last 2 years when he was selected to the All star games he hit over .300 (end of the year I didnt look for splits). That is very different than .230. But molina isnt the worst all star and olivo isnt the worst snub.
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| | | 522 | barilko6
ID: 42628513
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 14:28
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Sorry for the silence from Canada guys, was away.
Infante is the worst all-star ever. There may have been some guys that were worse, but at least they were chosen to fill a team quota. Atlanta already had no need to fill a quota here. Terrible choice.
That being said, I am looking to move Saves for help at other positions.
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| | | 523 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 14:41
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I agree. I like the idea of a versatile super sub being an all star, but the guy has only 165 abs this year.
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| | | 524 | Bh
ID: 18625520
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 22:27
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Don't blame Manuel for Infante - Selig told him to take a flex
guy. My big omission is Jered Weaver - having a good year
and the game is at his home ballpark...
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| | | 525 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Mon, Jul 05, 2010, 22:34
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Votto is the worst. Top 5 in the NL in BA, RBI, and Runs. Leads the league in OPS.
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| | | 526 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Jul 06, 2010, 00:06
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Don't blame Manuel for Infante - Selig told him to take a flex
guy.
don't they already have martin prado for that?
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| | | 528 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jul 06, 2010, 02:12
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Maybe Selig did, but Manuel isn't the kind of guy to allow such a buttinski move, IMO. Obviously having a multi-position player is smart now that the games "count" but I find it hard to believe that Selig would get involved at that level.
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| | | 529 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jul 06, 2010, 12:48
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Can we turn this into a dynasty and fast forward 2 years? If so, anyone need an outfielder?
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| | | 530 | Great One
ID: 3265018
Thu, Jul 08, 2010, 14:21
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Barilko, when can I drop the Canada name? Lets make a deal! Its what is keeping me from first place.
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| | | 531 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Thu, Jul 08, 2010, 19:06
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Anyone with interest in Buster Posey as a keeper? I'm looking for a longterm solution at 3B or SS...
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| | | 532 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Thu, Jul 08, 2010, 23:00
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I'd like to have Posey but I don't think I can help at SS or 3b, unfortunately.
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| | | 533 | barilko6
ID: 1162697
Fri, Jul 09, 2010, 08:26
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GO...what type of deal have you got in mind???
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| | | 534 | Great One
ID: 3265018
Fri, Jul 09, 2010, 13:47
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How about this :0...
Jeter or Johan
Posey
High Draft Pick
Canada Rules team name
for
Tulowitzki
anyone
Any team name I want
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| | | 535 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 09, 2010, 15:12
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The polkaroo was here? And I missed him again?
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| | | 536 | barilko6
ID: 47613108
Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 09:13
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GO, send me an email. I am looking to hold Tulo, but would be interested in making a move.
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| | | 537 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 14:35
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My team rocks!
Looking to move some of my older guys (Dunn, Youkilis, Chipper, closers) so I can rebuild around the core four - Pujols, Upton, Andrus, Crawford. Let's get those trade offers going - looking for some really good young players.
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| | | 538 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 08:30
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Can someone clarify our rules on trading draft picks? Is it
open season, all the time?
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| | | 539 | Great One
ID: 38649207
Fri, Jul 23, 2010, 08:53
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Trade them whenever you want.
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| | | 540 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 01:21
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GO, I thought I was playing for this year and you were playing for next year!!!! thanks for leap frogging me in the standings ;)
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| | | 541 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 10:06
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Yeah, didn't Da Bomb wonder why I was giving up on this season? lol...
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| | | 542 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 15:51
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Josh Johnson and Hughes were producing pretty similarly at the time of the trade but they have definitely gone in two different directions since then. Sometimes thems the breaks. Similarly, I very reluctantly traded my SS Zobrist in my RIBC league about a month ago because my replacement was Starlin Castro and he had an OPS of about .700. Since then, Castro has gone on a tear and Zobrist is the one who has struggled.
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| | | 543 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 16:25
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Performance since the trade:Josh Johnson- 4ER in 34IPJohan Santana- 8ER in 44IP (previously offered)Phil Hughes- 18ER in 23.2IP Aardsma has one save during that time, so I would have been alot better not making that trade or atleast getting Johan in return. Oh well.
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| | | 544 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Sun, Jul 25, 2010, 10:30
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I'm still looking to move Johan for some hitting. He should have his annual strong finish to end the season, as it looks like he has already started.
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| | | 545 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 09:55
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Also looking to move Asdrubal and Kubel, cheap. Picks, I guess.
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| | | 546 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 10:20
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i've got a ton of players looking to move:
who's NOT available? Ryan Zimmerman, Hanley Ramirez, CC Sabathia, Madison Bumgarner, Clay Buchholz, and Kendry Morales.
everyone else can be had.
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| | | 547 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 09:34
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I suppose Morrow on the bench will cost me the league when I'm hurting for K's...
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| | | 548 | holt
ID: 16716911
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 12:52
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OUCH
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| | | 549 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 08:59
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Axford and Nunez with some job instability... should you have traded them afterall Barilko? Gotta love closers.
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| | | 550 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 10:34
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Nunez will be fine, in my opinion.
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| | | 551 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 13:06
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any contender looking for a second basemen, i've got a plethora of them. let's talk trade - all are available.
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| | | 552 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 11:27
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Too many injuries, too little time. Howard on the DL and Ellsbury back on the DL joining the others has made me finally realize that I am going nowhere this season. All my players except Alvarez,Rollins, Ellsbury, Howard, Utley, Lee, Zeinke, and possibly Sizemore, and Hellickson are available for draft picks.
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| | | 553 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 12:15
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9 untouchables Loki? You know we only get 7 keepers in this league...
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| | | 554 | holt
ID: 487341711
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 13:03
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FYI - I'm willing to give up low draft picks for players that can help me but I'm not interested in trading away picks from the first six rounds or so.
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| | | 555 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 13:16
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I'm the same as Holt. I think I can do well with what I've got and don't want to touch my core keepers. But if you see a non-keeper upgrade for me I'd pay with like a 5th, 6th, 7th etc...
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| | | 556 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 13:52
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BH-I know it is 7, but aren't those 9 keeper quality?
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| | | 557 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 13:58
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But I would think if someone offered you a 1st round pick for a some of those guys, maybe the last few guys the made the cut - you'd take the offer instead of throwing them back for nothing.
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| | | 558 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 14:28
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Yeah, I can't imagine anywhere close to the number of keepers allowed being untouchable. Especially Hellickson.
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| | | 559 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 15:28
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Hellickson is on the list because this is a keeper league. He is TBs top pitching prospect, and his 1st 3 starts have shown his potential. I drafted and am keeping Alvarez for the same reason, based on what he should do in the hopefully near future. Of my players I think that Beltran, Hellickson and Sizemore are worth a 1st round draft pick since that is actually the 8th round. Volquez, Dempster, Niese and Ibanez are also worth high draft picks. Now for those who disagree, please remember that this is my 2nd season in the 1st keeper league that I have played in.
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| | | 560 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 15:31
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Loki, I think you're doing fine. And I'm not demeaning Hellickson or his spot on your team. But you said "All of my players except [9 players] are available for picks." I don't think that's what you actually meant.
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| | | 561 | dpr
ID: 55751023
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 16:52
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It is just that sure they may be good keepers but can you can't keep them so they are no good to you. Might as well try to get value for the 2 you rate lowest before you just put them in the draft for no return.
That said: I am looking to move Quentin, GFloyd and Liriano. They are players that can pretty much help any team I would think.
Also for teams more looking to the future I have too many young outfielders. Stanton, McCutcheon, Heyward, and Brown can't all be kept but have varying degrees of keeperness. Let me know if you would be interested.
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| | | 562 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 17:46
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The way I look at it, if I cannot get a 1st for some or a 2nd for the others, I am better throwing them back in and probably getting one or more of them back in the 2011 draft. They will be there along with others who I might like better. That is my analysis, albeit the analysis of someone without much keeper league experience.
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| | | 563 | Slizz
ID: 58617623
Tue, Aug 17, 2010, 19:26
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Sizemore owners are still living off of 2008. The guy can't hit LHP and will be coming off of knee surgery...sorry loki :)
I respect your hustle regarding Hellickson and as a Rays fan I think he is going to be great, but you'd be wise to shop him to a team in need now who needs to get a solid pitcher (& possible keeper, depending how you look at it) for the remainder of the season.
dpr, shoot me an email regarding post #561.
My untouchables:
Adrian Gonzalez
Evan Longoria
Felix Hernandez
Adam Wainwright
Up for Negotiation:
Scott Rolen
Jayson Werth
Colby Rasmus
BJ Upton
Trevor Cahill
Dan Haren
Matt Garza
I definitely want to sell one of my pitchers to a contending team so let me know if you have any interest.
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| | | 564 | barilko6
ID: 15747197
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 08:47
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I was out with Blue Hen last night, but I couldn't get him drunk enough to trade me Albert Pujols.
I am interested in moving:
Jonathan Papelbon, Axford, Huston Street or Matt Capps for those that need saves.
Ubaldo Jimenez, Shaun Marcum, Ricky Nolasco, or David Price for those that need a SP.
Starlin Castro, Ian Desmond, Aaron Hill, and Pablo Sandoval for those that need to fill an IF hole.
Curtis Granderson, Adam Lind, Carlos Gonzalez, and Michael Cuddyer for those that need a top notch OF.
And finally...Joe Mauer for those that want to add a sure thing at C.
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| | | 565 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 12:40
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Barilko and I actually bet on one of the games - Ubaldo Jimenez vs. Matt Cain, straight up. I was thisclose to getting Ubaldo, but then we hit a snag, and the game was steeped in controversy.
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| | | 566 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:22
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Hanley, Zimmerman, Buchholz, and Sabathia are the guys on my roster that will be tough to pull away from me.
that leaves the following available:
Kelly Johnson - power hitting second baseman that will contribute in all 5 categories.
Rajai Davis - steals, steals, steals.
Angel Pagan - 5 categories again.
Brian Roberts - second basemen who will provide steals.
Brian McCann - power hitting catcher.
Cory Hart - Homers!
Jose Bautista - LOTS of homers from the 3b or OF slot.
Chone Figgins - STEALS at 2nd or 3rd!
Andy Petitte - four category pitcher.
and anyone else you're interested in!
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| | | 567 | Peter N.
ID: 32701722
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 08:02
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Tim Hudson, Casey McGehee, Aramis Ramirez, Big Papi all available for cheap. Shoot me a note if you are interested.
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| | | 568 | Peter N.
ID: 32701722
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:13
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Trade Alert
I send Tim Hudson plus my 13th round pick in exchange for Jonny Venters and Holt's 7th round pick. Picks are listed in the trade, but figured I'd list them here as well for future record.
McGehee, Papi, Zobrist, Aramis can be had for a similar type of deal if anyone is interested in them.
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| | | 569 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:13
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confirmed
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| | | 570 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:11
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How about that reliable awesome Broxton? he's gonna fall off the already short list of guys with 30+ saves multiple years in a row. and that sparkling 1.31 WHIP and 3.53 ERA for 50 IP is a long way from being fixed when you only throw a couple innings a week.
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| | | 571 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:38
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True. But he's not my problem.
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| | | 572 | Great One
ID: 2751238
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:05
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I just found it funny that Broxton was the bedrock of this discussion of a guy you can rely on.
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| | | 573 | holt
ID: 157352610
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:35
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Joe Nathan was one of my keepers this year. Figured he was as solid as you could get. Should have kept McCann instead, but that's hindsight. Not that McCann is really much better than Napoli, who I scooped as a FA. Not much harm done, I guess...
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| | | 574 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 17:00
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True. And honestly, I think Broxton is STILL among the best closers in baseball, although he might not get another save this year.
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| | | 575 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 22:36
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Manny going to CWS in AL. Anyone interested for draft pick?
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| | | 576 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 15:49
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The race for 2nd and 3rd places are quite exciting ;)
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| | | 577 | dpr
ID: 40781923
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 16:53
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If any of you fighting for 2nd or 3rd are looking for a little boost before the deadline (the 31st right?) let me know.
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| | | 578 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:46
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I just still can't believe how bad my era and whip are this season. I thought pitching was the strong point of my team. Too many blowups. 1.33 whip just makes me puke. I guess Lincecum pitching like sh@t hasn't helped me any.
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| | | 579 | Great One
ID: 367493122
Sun, Sep 05, 2010, 13:18
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I think this would be 5 straight years of some combo of Holt/GO/DaBomb in 1st and 2nd. Who else is gonna step up?
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| | | 580 | astade
Sustainer
ID: 214361313
Mon, Sep 06, 2010, 01:41
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i keep trying....no more trades for me :/
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| | | 581 | Great One
ID: 548251511
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 10:06
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I have had two big SP's shut down for the year or undergone major surgery yet I can't free up active spots. Don't they DL them in these scenarios?
Josh Johnson and Johan.
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| | | 582 | barilko6
ID: 43822179
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 10:22
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I think with the 40 man rosters now, there isn't a need to put those guys on the DL anymore.
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| | | 583 | Great One
ID: 548251511
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 13:58
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Then we need to expand our rosters! :0
Or maybe allow for season ender guys to be dropped and still be kept. Crappy.
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| | | 584 | Great One
ID: 548251511
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 13:59
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Its actually alright in this league, we have super deep benches anyway, so not worth the hassle of tracking. Just bad luck for me the last month.
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| | | 585 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 14:20
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Yeah - who in the world are you thinking about picking up?
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| | | 586 | Great One
ID: 548251511
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 15:17
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There is always someone worth adding if you have a spot.
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| | | 587 | barilko6
ID: 58341714
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 15:34
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I just changed my team name so that it looks better in our standings.
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| | | 588 | Great One
ID: 548251511
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 15:43
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What a shame there is no way I finish low enough for that to continue to look good.
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| | | 589 | barilko6
ID: 58341714
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 16:37
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As long as you finish second to my first, it still works!
Tell you what, in the spirit of competition, when your team passes mine, you can change your name away from what it is now.
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| | | 590 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 17:01
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And if you finish first Barilko, I will donate a blank check to guru ;)
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| | | 591 | barilko6
ID: 58341714
Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 17:32
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Sweet!!!
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| | | 592 | Great One
ID: 367493122
Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 12:52
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I just envisioned a comic book style move with Guru printing out a list of Da Bomb's players and going city to city taking all of them out.
Guru vs. DaBomb's World!
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| | | 593 | barilko6
ID: 568332110
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 11:34
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Man, there is a real fight for the 2nd and 3rd spots in this thing!
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| | | 594 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 23:37
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My last goal of the season is to pass blue hen in saves.
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| | | 595 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 23:50
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f'n bh.
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| | | 596 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:10
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What'd I do this time.
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| | | 597 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:16
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Continue to exist...
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| | | 598 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 10:27
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Oh yeah, I forgot.
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| | | 599 | Great One
ID: 198353014
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 12:17
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Congrats to Da Bomb. Emailing him and Holt about payouts. Thinking next year we tweak to 70/30/10/10, not sure why made it so lopsided.
Payouts = 120 pot
1st Place 80
2nd Place 20
3rd Place 10
Kafenatid 10
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| | | 600 | Great One
ID: 198353014
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 12:19
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600! posts, nice. and the Poli league thinks they talk a lot or something. and they have more teams to help their cause.
Does anyone see any 2011 draft pick trades? I am gonna try and go through and find any. If so I want to group them all together before we head into the offseason.
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| | | 601 | holt
ID: 995412
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 13:07
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Congrats to Da Bomb. Wasn't even close. My pitching was my weakness, which is the opposite of what I expected. I don't mind finishing 2nd in this league though. It's a good league.
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| | | 602 | Astade
ID: 38542218
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 13:39
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Congrats dabomb!
Holt I traded a pick to Peter N, iirc.
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| | | 603 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 14:09
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Thanks guys. I was gunning for holt's record of 110 points at the end, but came up just short. Congrats to holt and GO for placing in 2nd and 3rd. As for the rest of you, please step your game up ;).
And I know I speak from a biased standpoint, but how do people feel of maybe increasing dues to $20 or so for next year?
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| | | 604 | Great One
ID: 198353014
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 14:18
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I would have no problem going to 20, its kind of a pain to go all through the collection for only 10 each. 20 bucks for 6 months of action is pretty reasonable and painless I think. We would also deepen the payouts down to maybe 4th or 5th place at least getting 10 bucks back.
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| | | 605 | barilko6
ID: 18949413
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 14:49
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Congrats! I made a strong push at the end, but came up limping in 4th place. boo
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| | | 606 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 15:04
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I've got no problem bumping it up to $20.
After what I thought was a very good draft, I was disappointed not be finally move up at the end, despite several mini-surges. I do have a demonstratively better team than at the beginning of the year, particularly at pitching, so it'll be a tough thing to choose keepers next year.
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| | | 607 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 20:53
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Congrats to Da Bomb on your 1st place finish.
My season was over early with season ending injuries to Ellsbury and Sizemore (No comments. I still think if healthy, he is a top player.) and prolonged injuries to Rollins and Utley, but I cannot blame my 9th place finish on that alone. My pitching was terrible, and I did little to improve it or to improve my hitting with free agents during the season.
I have a good set of keepers for 2011, and if they stay healthy, a decent draft will make my team very competitive. I am particularly happy with Pedro Alvarez whom I think will be a top 5 player within a year or two.
I am looking forward to 2011, and $20 is fine with me.
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| | | 608 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 10:38
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Hey guys, sounds like you had a great season. I think it was the right decision to take this year off and make sure I'd be up to following thru on a whole season. With that said, if an opening comes up for the 2011 season I'd love to throw my hat in for consideration.
Congratulations Da Bomb
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| | | 609 | Peter N.
ID: 3792459
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 10:54
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Congrats Da Bomb! That was impressive. I know I made a couple of trades involving picks for next year. I get Astade's 6th rounder for my last(Oswalt for Baker) Also, I get holt's 7th for my 13th(Hudson for Venters)
I have no problem upping the amount to $20 next year. It's all good with me.
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| | | 616 | jonn1
ID: 3101331
Mon, Jan 03, 2011, 02:13
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comment3,
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| | | 617 | jonn1
ID: 3901333
Mon, Jan 03, 2011, 04:13
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comment3,
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| | | 618 | jonn3
ID: 901334
Mon, Jan 03, 2011, 05:13
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comment4,
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| | | 619 | jonn1
ID: 2701235
Mon, Jan 03, 2011, 06:12
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comment3,
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| | | 620 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Jan 04, 2011, 20:57
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Time to ask the question:
Who is jonn and what is he doing????
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| | | 621 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Jan 04, 2011, 21:26
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I don't mind the bumps, brings up good memories ;)
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| | | 622 | Great One
ID: 45012311
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 16:21
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FYI, 4 of us are in favor of going to 20 bucks each... nobody against.
A couple more folks and we have a majority. Anyone else like to chime in and get this squared away in the offseason?
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| | | 623 | holt
ID: 3044420
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 18:25
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20 is fine - the more you all give to me the better
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| | | 624 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 20:48
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$20 is fine.
I am very ready for baseball.
How many days until pitchers and catchers report?
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| | | 625 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 10:44
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Did I vote yet? I'm against an increase, but will fall in line with the voting.
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| | | 626 | Great One
ID: 2902189
Tue, Jan 18, 2011, 14:16
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Per first post, last day of Feb for keepers, just a reminder in case anyone was wondering.
Please chime in with a vote if you can (which will also double as a "I'll be back in 2011")
20 Dollar Entry Fee
FOR
GO
Da Bomb
Loki
PD
Holt
AGAINST
BH
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| | | 627 | Great One
ID: 2902189
Tue, Jan 18, 2011, 14:22
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hunting for all the trades, everyone try and chip in if you see any others...
2011 TRADES
Pete sends Tim Hudson + 13th round pick for
Jonny Venters + Holts 7th round pick
Pete's last round pick for
Astade's 6th round pick (Oswalt)
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| | | 628 | astade
ID: 78462922
Tue, Jan 18, 2011, 20:41
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I am indifferent about the increase to the entry fee.
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| | | 629 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Jan 19, 2011, 20:11
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These players are my non-keepers that I would trade for draft picks if anyone is interested:
Carlos Beltrán
Álex González
Raúl Ibañez
Austin Jackson
Miguel Olivo
Manny Ramírez
Grady Sizemore
Ty Wigginton
Michael Young
Jorge De La Rosa
Ryan Dempster
Jeremy Hellickson
Jenrry Mejía
Jonathon Niese
Bobby Parnell
Jon Rauch
Hisanori Takahashi
Edinson Vólquez
GO JETS!!!!!!!!
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| | | 630 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 09:44
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Looking to make a deal. Six of my keepers are set - Upton, Pujols, Dunn, Crawford, Weeks, Youkilis.
That leaves Hamels, Andrus, Cain, Wandy, Valverde, Broxton, Joba, and Harden. I will trade all eight of those guys for one better keeper. Or individually for picks. Make it happen.
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| | | 631 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 20:15
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I will be back for next year.
In terms of a fee increase, I am selfishly opposed as my team isnt ready to compete but I will abstain from the vote and be fine with whatever.
For keepers, I am always looking to make moves.
Top Tier
Teix
Heyward
McCutheon
Stanton
Kinsler
Extra that I think could make good keepers for some teams, especially one looking to take a risk on a top prospect.
Reynolds
Strasburg
Santana
Liriano
Bruce
Wieters
D. Brown
Jennings
Nathan (has always been a keeper when healthy)
Anyone is available although if I move the top guys I would be looking to consolidate not expand. Also the guys from the bottom list who are most likely to be among my keepers (likely Santana and Liriano, although Stras particularly is hard to let go) will be harder to part with.
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| | | 632 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 00:51
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Marlon Byrd
A.J. Ellis
Aubrey Huff
Garrett Jones
Carlos Lee
Ryan Ludwick
Magglio Ordóñez
Carlos Peña
Plácido Polanco
Geovany Soto
Jim Thome
Andrés Torres
Dan Uggla
Juan Uribe
Danny Valencia
Josh Beckett
Frank Francisco
Yovani Gallardo
Gio González
John Lackey
Mat Latos
Carl Pavano
Mike Pelfrey
Arthur Rhodes
Francisco Rodríguez
Lots of dead wood here to trim. A strange team--lots of W's at the expense of very poor WHIP & ERA. The team looks like it could hit a ton of home runs but it just didn't, and they couldn't steal a base if they had a "Friend of Al Capone" card.
No one is untouchable. Obviously some are better than others, but make a solid offer and let me know what you are looking for. Time to rebuild from the bottom up.
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| | | 633 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 10:35
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DPR - drop me a note. I think we have some stuff to talk about.
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| | | 634 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Feb 05, 2011, 19:39
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Please remind me; what is the draft order for 2011?
Thanks.
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| | | 635 | Great One
ID: 54127610
Sun, Feb 06, 2011, 11:29
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Draft Order before any draft pick trades.. straight draft, reverse order of standings, 17 Rounds after 7 keepers.
1. Perm Dude
2. homerunners123
3. Peter N
4. Loki
5. Tree
6. Blue Hen
7. Astade
8. Slizz
9. barilko
10. Great One
11. Holt
12. Da Bomb
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| | | 636 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Feb 06, 2011, 15:38
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Trade announcement
Perm Dude trades pick 3.01 to Blue Hen for Matt Cain and 17.06
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| | | 637 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Feb 06, 2011, 17:33
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Confirmed
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| | | 638 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 09:46
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Now that that's over, I want to remind everyone that I am trying to trade Elvis Andrus, Jonathan Broxton, Jose Valverde, and Wandy Rodriguez. Surely, one of those four is better than your last keeper.
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| | | 639 | barilko6
ID: 21155713
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 14:55
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I am looking to trade away one of David Price, Ubaldo Jimenez, or Jonathan Sanchez.
All great K's, and other peripherals.
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| | | 640 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 15:44
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Looks like Yahoo isn't showing rosters right now. Do we have a thread with current rosters?
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| | | 641 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 15:47
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Once you are logging into Yahoo, click on your team name in the fantasy archive.
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| | | 642 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 16:15
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Trade announcement:
PD trades pick 1.01 to barilko for Ubaldo Jimenez plus pick 5.09.
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| | | 643 | Barilko6
ID: 16120715
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 16:20
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Confirmed
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| | | 644 | astade
ID: 78462922
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 23:09
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Great trade, PD!
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| | | 645 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 00:54
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Hunter Pence, Brett Gardner, Colby Lewis, and Carlos Marmol are available for a pick upgrade.
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| | | 646 | Barilko6
ID: 16120715
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 07:08
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I don't want to keep 2 OFs this year so I am looking to move either Ryan Braun or Carlos Gonzalez. Both are top notch guys obviously. I don't need pitching, SS, or C.
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| | | 647 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 08:32
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i'm looking to make moves too. draft picks, multi-player deals, whatever.
Jose Bautista 3b/OF
Kendry Moraloes 1b
Ike Davis 1b
Chone Figgins wherever he plays this year
Corey Hart OF
Kelly Johnson 2B
Nick Markakis OF
Martin Prado 2b/wherever he plays
Shane Victorino OF
Madison Bumgarner SP
email me please.
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| | | 648 | slizz
ID: 5611142722
Thu, Feb 10, 2011, 07:25
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Khahan - if you want your team back...its yours!
As much as I enjoy this league, my time is severely limited due to a move in a new home, wedding plans, etc.
I wouldn't be a quality manager considering my duties to other leagues and would essentially be "dead weight" this year.
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| | | 649 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 13:15
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GO - let me know if an offer is extended. and what kind of a roster am I looking at?
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| | | 650 | Great One
ID: 3414219
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:46
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Khahan, I am sure i speak for the group when I say we'd love to have you back (this is your league originally afterall!)... just need to make sure there aren't any openings with multiple teams before we can confirm you take over Slizz's spot.
There are 10 signed up on the website.. I can't seem to figure out who is missing yet, but that should be the answer.
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| | | 651 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:54
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Astade is the person who hasnt signed up. He posted in the thread a month ago so I would assume he is interest but I guess that needs to be confirmed.
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| | | 652 | loki
ID: 541511114
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 15:51
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GO-In your G20 league there is discussion about a possible change from Yahoo to ESPN. Do you or anyone else see an advantage in this? There are about 5 DD managers in G20, and if Guru uses ESPN for the RotoGuru leagues it might make sense.
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| | | 653 | Great One
ID: 3414219
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 16:43
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Whatever the league wants to do, we can vote on it... lets see what the other leagues wind up doing too cause they are having some good pros/cons debates.
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| | | 654 | barilko6
ID: 441391117
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 18:39
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I would prefer staying Yahoo as my other 2 leagues are found in Yahoo as well. Adding another site to check into everyday isn't terribly appealing.
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| | | 655 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 18:53
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I prefer yahoo for a couple reasons.
1. Yahoo ranks players based on in season performance which comes in handy when sorting through FAs.
2. Last time I used espn I remember that you could basically hoard players on the DL. In yahoo if you had placed a player on the DL you were unable to make transactions once he became healthy again.
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| | | 656 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 18:57
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i have about zero desire to leave Yahoo, because it's much easier to check one site for all my teams.
in fact (and no, this isn't a threat, just a statement of fact), it would be a deal breaker for me and i would likely leave the league.
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| | | 657 | loki
ID: 71251118
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 19:25
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I was not recommending a change, only inquiring if ESPN would be better for our league.
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| | | 658 | Khahan
ID: 301311119
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 20:31
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The year I started losing interest was the first year I had a league move to espn. It was a fun league but it got to be a real hassle having multiple sites to check.
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| | | 659 | astade
ID: 78462922
Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 21:17
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Sorry folks... I rarely check hotmail. I have signed up for the league. Hope this didn't cause any big issues.
As always, I look forward to competing in this great league!
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| | | 660 | Barilko6
ID: 121451213
Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 14:45
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Wait...we can get tree out of here if we switch from yahoo?!? I change my vote then!
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| | | 661 | Khahan
ID: 301311119
Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 00:57
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Thanks for re-invite GO. I'll throw my votes in here,
1. No problem with a fee increase to $20
2. I'd prefer to stay at yahoo
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| | | 662 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 20:38
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I'd also prefer to switch back to next day transactions.
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| | | 663 | slizz
ID: 5611142722
Mon, Feb 14, 2011, 00:05
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glad i could keep the seat warm for you!
maybe next year there will be a spot for me!
Best of luck fellas!
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| | | 664 | Peter N.
ID: 42110168
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 09:13
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1. No problem with fee going to $20
2. I'd prefer ESPN over yahoo, but I appear to be in the minority here so its all good.
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| | | 665 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 10:04
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Yahoo
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| | | 666 | Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 10:54
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Ok - we are officially going to 20 bucks.
Remaining issues... seems like most of the league want Yahoo so we'll stick with that.
VOTE - Same Day or back to Next Day transactions?
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| | | 667 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 12:09
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Does yahoo even offer same day transactions in baseball?
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| | | 668 | Great One
ID: 461381611
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 12:43
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Oh yeah, Khahan missed this last year!
Yes, Yahoo does have same day transactions now for all sports. However in basketball/baseball it freezes a player once his individual game starts (unless he is on your bench) and that player is not add/dropable til the next day.
So for those make their moves during the day, its great... cause you add a guy and can stick him right in your lineup. Or if you see your player is out, you can immediately pick up his backup etc and not miss out on a game.
However for those who primarily adjust lineups in the evenings, it can be difficult to adjust their roster cause many times guys are already locked. This is more of an issue in baseball cause most teams play everyday. Basketball a bit easier cause you only lock in for 3-4 games a week.
One more factor to consider is that if your starter breaks his leg in a game, you can't run to the computer and pick up his backup. So on the one hand your hands are tied, on the other it takes some of the advantage away of sitting at your computer watching all the games (as many experience in NFL with running to pick up the hot RB vs. leagues where everyone is locked at 1 PM on Sunday).
ESPN - does have same day transactions without freezing people, so thats its main difference in this area as BH will surely tell us.
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| | | 669 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 14:07
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I'm fine keeping this league on Yahoo, although my vote is for ESPN.
I'm also fine with a price increase, although my vote is to keep it at the current price.
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| | | 670 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 14:40
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I vote for next day.
I do my roster updates in the evening so it was definitely frustrating at times not being able to add/drop certain players.
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| | | 671 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 15:24
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Next day trading.
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| | | 672 | astade
ID: 78462922
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 22:03
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Being on the west coast, next day trading is ideal.
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| | | 673 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 23:29
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Next day. I got screwed a few times last seasib trying to move guys who were frozen for the day.
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| | | 674 | holt
ID: 3044420
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 03:11
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next day
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| | | 675 | Peter N.
ID: 42110168
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 10:44
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Next day
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| | | 676 | Great One
ID: 461381611
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 11:13
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Switching to Next Day.
Can you guys also do a big favor and write Yahoo complaining about this? because I feel like they are unaware how many people hate the same-day setup. Thats the impression i got when i wrote them.
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| | | 677 | Great One
ID: 461381611
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 11:15
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I prefer same-day... but definitely will enjoy sprinting to the computer to beat you all to the hot pickup each night.
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| | | 678 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 01:38
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so when do we draft and announce keepers and all that?
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| | | 679 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 01:45
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keepers (unless you make me a good offer in a trade):
Evan Longoria
Adrian Gonzalez
Felix Hernandez
Adam Wainwright
bj upton
Colby Rasmus
Willing to package jayson werth and any 2 or 3 other good prospects (kendrick's gotta do something soon), trevor cahill, a closer if you like them as keepers for a good, well established keeper.
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| | | 680 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 11:28
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I believe that there are 7 keepers.
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| | | 681 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 19:01
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I am still trying to see if anyone is interested in Strasburg, Liriano, or Bruce.
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| | | 682 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 21:53
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email always helps...
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| | | 683 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 09:49
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Interesting. I'm trying to see if anyone is interested in Broxton or Andrus.
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| | | 684 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 00:59
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I had some nibbles earlier about Yovani Gallardo who I've had every intention of keeping, but with the acquisition of Jimenez, Gallardo has become slightly more available.
A first rounder might just do it. Or a high draft pick and a very good bat. Lemme know.
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| | | 685 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:28
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2011 Keepers*
Pedro Alvarez
Chase Utley
Jimmy Rollins
Ryan Howard
Jacoby Ellbury
Cliff Lee
Zack Greinke
*Subject to change before deadline
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| | | 686 | Great One
ID: 141502422
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:38
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Reminder - Keepers due on Monday 2/28 11:59 PM or they will be picked for you.
You can post them here.
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| | | 687 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:55
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I am assuming that we are going to start the draft following keeper entry with no clock for the first day, same as last year.
I am flying cross country on the 1st so will have great difficulty making my pick that day. With me having the second pick that means that i will likely be holding the draft up for awhile. If that poses a problem let me know and we can try to work out a solution. Otherwise don't expect me to pick until the evening.
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| | | 688 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 11:16
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Re 687:
I would prefer to begin a few days later in order to have some time to evaluate the remaining players.
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| | | 689 | Great One
ID: 141502422
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 11:38
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Yeah, its gonna take me a couple days to get everything entered as it is. Finding free time in the middle of moving can be tough. I expect we will start more like Thursday and leave it with no clock through the weekend.
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| | | 690 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 11:50
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New keeper list:
Evan Longoria
Adrian Gonzalez
Felix Hernandez
Jason Werth
bj upton
Colby Rasmus
(still working on that 7th)
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| | | 691 | Peter N.
ID: 221502520
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 11:59
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Keepers
Shin-Shoo Choo
Justin Morneau
Billy Butler
Aramis Ramirez
Max Scherzer
Neftali Feliz
Chad Billingsley
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| | | 692 | barilko6
ID: 331422719
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 20:42
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My 7 Keepers:
Carlos Gonzalez
Ryan Braun
Troy Tulowitzki
Joe Mauer
David Price
Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Papelbon
Still willing to move Curtis Granderson, Starlin Castro, Pablo Sandoval and Aaron Hill for almost nothing.
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| | | 693 | astade
ID: 78462922
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 21:59
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Miguel Cabrera
Robinson Cano
Matt Kemp
Andre Ethier
Álex Ríos
Brian Wilson
Jered Weaver
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| | | 694 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 22:17
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Albert Pujols
Carl Crawford
Justin Upton
Kevin Youkilis
Adam Dunn
Rickie Weeks
Cole Hamels
(insert Elvis Andrus jokes here)
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| | | 695 | barilko6
ID: 331422719
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 22:46
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Jonathan Papelbon is up for trades too.
Send me an email
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| | | 696 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 22:51
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*Trade*
Barilko trades his 6th round pick.
Da Bomb trades his 8th round pick plus Carlos Marmol.
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| | | 697 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 23:33
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Trade
DPR trades
Strasburg
Round 14 Pick
Perm Dude Trades
Latos
Round 4 Pick
PD says he will confirm in the morning.
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| | | 698 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 00:43
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wow
My keepers:
Alex Rodriguez
Joey Votto
Josh Hamilton
Jose Reyes
Brandon Phillips
Roy Halladay
Justin Verlander
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| | | 699 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 08:11
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#697: Confirmed
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| | | 700 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 08:37
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Trade
Khahan sends Jason Werth to Perm Dude
Perm Dude send
Yovani Gallardo to Khahan
Updated Keeper List for Khahan:
Evan Longoria
Adrian Gonzalez
Felix Hernandez
Yovani Gallardo
bj upton
Colby Rasmus
Dan Haren
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| | | 701 | barilko6
ID: 41149289
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 10:53
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I would still be interested in adding one more keeper. Send me an email to let me know who you have available.
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| | | 702 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 11:28
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I have to call out Perm Dude here.
You just added Strasburg, Werth, Ubaldo and Cain.
You lost Gallardo, Latos, and your 1st, 3rd, and 4th picks.
I'm taking the under.
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| | | 703 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 13:00
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#700 confirmed.
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| | | 704 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 13:53
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Andrus or Broxton - dirt cheap. Obviously PD has helped most of you fill out your last keeper slots, but if you're interested in one of those two, let me know.
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| | | 705 | barilko6
ID: 581112817
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 18:14
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With my new trade, here are my keepers:
Ryan Braun
Carlos Gonzalez
Troy Tulowitzki
Joe Mauer
Carlos Marmol
David Price
Pablo Sandoval. (I got a feeling!)
Picks traded:
Coming in:
Perm Dude's 1st rounder
DaBomb's 8th Rounder
Going out:
My 5th Rounder to Perm Dude
My 6th Rounder to DaBomb.
I would still be willing to add a good keeper if you want to move someone interesting.
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| | | 706 | Great One
ID: 101552711
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 18:46
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GO's Keepers
Prince
Pedroia
B.Posey
Nelson Cruz
Jon Lester
Josh Johnson
Tommy Hanson
Leftovers for Cheap please email, I'll check back tonight before midnight
Derek Jeter
Joakim Soria
Johan Santana
Adrian Beltre
Nick Swisher
Ricky Romero
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| | | 707 | Great One
ID: 101552711
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 18:48
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And if anyone can keep a summarized list of pick swaps going, that would be help... going to unpack for a while.
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| | | 708 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 19:49
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PeterN 17th
Astade 6th
PeterN 13th
Holt 7th
DaBomb 8th
Barilko 6th
Barilko 5th
PD 1st
PD 3rd
Blue Hen 17th
PD 4th
DPR 14th
Someone should double check this but it is what I came up with.
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| | | 709 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 20:14
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Keepers:
Mark Teixeira
Jason Heyward
Ian Kinsler
Mike Stanton
Andrew McCutchen
Carlos Santana
Mat Latos
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| | | 710 | Barilko6
ID: 391392820
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 21:39
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GO... Are you getting my emails?
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| | | 711 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 22:42
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Re: Draft start
It's still pretty early. I'm all for having it start not so soon.
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| | | 712 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 22:51
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I am traveling through the weekend so would be in favor of waiting a bit too. Next Monday be nice as still like the idea of getting it over early though. If the new drafttime is like the mfl site we used for RIFC, things should flow faster than normal too.
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| | | 713 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 22:56
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my keepers:
José Bautista
Brian McCann
Kendry Morales
Martín Prado
Hanley Ramírez
Ryan Zimmerman
CC Sabathia
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| | | 714 | Great One
ID: 101552711
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:19
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Trade
GO's Last Round + Soria for Barilko's 7th
Barilko replaces Kung Fu with Soria, email copied to a few league members as outlined by Barilko.
Ryan Braun
Carlos Gonzalez
Troy Tulowitzki
Joe Mauer
Carlos Marmol
David Price
Joakim Soria
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| | | 715 | Great One
ID: 101552711
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:23
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Yeah, like I said somewhere... we'll get it set up this week, get everyone signed up and keepers entered. That'll take a couple days I'm sure. Then start things up maybe Friday, no clock, no pressure... everyone can work on playing around in the new draftime, setting up ques etc. Then Monday we can turn the clock on.
Gonna keep an eye on how quick this goes. Thinking for next year we may be able to push the keeper deadling all the way out to like Ides of March, or St. Patricks Day or whenever the first game of March Madness is... cause I think on this new Draftime thing we can do the draft in 7-10 days at most.
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| | | 716 | barilko6
ID: 161272822
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:27
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Confirm trade with GO in 714
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| | | 717 | holt
ID: 3044420
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:48
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No idea where our rosters are posted. Can someone give me a hand?
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| | | 718 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:53
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Holt:
http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/mlb/2010/168659/7
Also see post17 in this thread. 2 Hrs earlier this time haha.
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=basest&thread=7870&last=1268338924
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| | | 719 | holt
ID: 3044420
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 23:59
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Thanks! And nice catch.
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| | | 720 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 00:04
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Keepers:
Ubaldo Jimenez
Stephen Strasburg
Jason Werth
Matt Cain
Magglio Ordóñez
Dan Uggla
Francisco Rodríguez
Picks traded:
PD gets: 5.09 (from barilko) 17.06 (from BH), 14.02 (from dpr).
PD gives: 1.01 to Barilko, 3.01 to BH, 4.01 (to dpr)
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| | | 721 | astade
ID: 78462922
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 00:41
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PD posted late. can I help pick his keepers?! ;)
on a serious note, this deadline (excusing serious circumstances) needs to be enforced. If we are to have a good picture of keepers before the draft we need to see who has been kept. I've been late in the past... so I'm not trying to be a hypocrite, we need to settle on a 'real' punishment
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| | | 722 | holt
ID: 3044420
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 00:43
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David Wright
Matt Holliday
Ichiro Suzuki
Paul Konerko
Tim Lincecum
Clayton Kershaw
Chris Carpenter
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| | | 723 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 01:14
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Would have been on time except for figuring out those picks.
:)
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| | | 724 | Great One
ID: 161202314
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 10:57
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I am gonna let a monkey pick PD's keepers out of a hat. Its the only fair way. Was that everybody? I know we are missing 2 on Kafenatid still, will work the checklist at lunch for keepers and kafenatid.
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| | | 725 | barilko6
ID: 11222110
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 11:22
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Yep, we have 12 sets of keepers listed here.
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| | | 726 | barilko6
ID: 10237111
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 12:37
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If you see anyone that you like, I have pick 1.1 up for trade. Looking for picks back.
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| | | 727 | Great One
ID: 161202314
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 08:41
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Barilko, thanks for your assistance here. Would you mind signing up for kafenatid? :0
Holt I think is the other one who hasn't gotten on the draft site.
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| | | 728 | barilko6
ID: 2622828
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 09:28
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haha...I knew I forgot something!
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| | | 730 | Great One
ID: 36213210
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 11:14
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I think everyone did, at least it wasn't for something more offensive... thanks :0
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| | | 731 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 10:14
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For a team that was so bad last year I managed to have 4 of the first 15 picks be from my leftovers.
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