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Subject: Gurupie 20 2013 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species - Dude [07724916] Thu, Jan 31, 2013, 15:39

Greetings G20 comrades!! The calendar is about to turn over into February, pitchers and catchers are reporting pretty soon, so it is time to start preparations for another stellar G20 baseball season. We have a new prospect draft process to sort out so we need to begin getting our ducks in a row.

That starts with taking roll call as to your intentions of returning. Please check in with your intentions for this year.....throw out some trade fodder if you have any and let's do this.

Great One
ID: 120252515
Thu, Jan 31, 2013, 15:40

I'm in and looking to trade one of my hitters for a SP.

Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Jan 31, 2013, 16:59

In.

ESPN is down at the moment and I don't remember who all was on my roster but I think i have some closers available. And I'm willing to consider moving one from my GGGolden Arm rotation.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jan 31, 2013, 18:05

Need to move one of the following: Matt Kemp, Giancarlo Stanton, Jose Bautista, Ryan Braun, Eric Hosmer, Anthony Rizzo. Literally - can't start em all.

Also looking to move Elvis Andrus or Jose Altuve, and also Chris Sale and Addison Reed.

R9
ID: 99272420
Fri, Feb 01, 2013, 02:28

In.

Willing to part with uber prospect Billy Hamilton for the right price.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Feb 03, 2013, 09:58

IN!
Looking to match success in football. This sport is SO much harder!

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Feb 03, 2013, 17:25

In.

Looking to trade some excess RBI guys for pitching/MI: LaRoche, Hart, Ethier

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 15:13

MLB network had their top 50 prospects show on this weekend. G20 teams should get familiar with Cleveland SS Francisco Lindor, who came in at 14 (if memory serves). Speedy with a quick bat......a top flight prospect. With Desmond, Profar and Lindor..... I have a surplus.

Barring something unexpected, I will keep Mariano Rivera. CONTENDERS: Get your 2015 picks lined up. There is no reason to expect Rivera will have problems racking up saves in 2013. He will certainly be better than your 2nd and 3rd tier closers.

I am also quite likely to be interested in trading Granderson, Sabathia and/or Teixeira. Inquire within.

This is also the appropriate time for any other Gurupies to chime in if you have interest in joining the league. If there are openings, we need capable, interested parties to fill them.

Great One
ID: 120252515
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 15:33

Do we have the most current draft pick trades and prospect chart handy? Would be good to plug in here if so.

mjd
ID: 29021169
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 16:06

IN

Young talent available at very affordable prices. My rebuilding process is beginning to show some promise.

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 17:02

8 -- no. Espn has been down for maintenance for over a week before they launch for 2013.....so I can't access the trade list and put together a preliminary draft grid. I can't even send out an email blast to point people here.

Will do both when I have the chance.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 19:08

IN.

Depending on upcoming positional eligibility ... Manny Machado might be available.

PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 20:25

youngroman
ID: 211146417
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 04:18

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 12:11

In.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 14:26

I think you can reactivate on ESPN now.

WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 14:52

Re: 7

I'd be interested in joining if you guys had an opening. Very rarely do you find such a deep, competitive league and I'd like to be a part of it.

Species
ID: 91141520
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 21:47

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK; 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA; 22.07 Tim Wheeler,OF,COL
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,BOS; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT
Guru: 19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE; 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ; 25.02 Matt Sczcur,OF,CHC
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,DET; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,AZ; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
SlackYokel: 18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was(1); 19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,COL(1);24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
Slizz: 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,KC; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,KC
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,LAA

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)

Fosten
ID: 33153522
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 00:11

Re: #7

I'd be interested in playing as well. I enjoy leagues with a deep player pool and room for prospects. I won the 20-team Happy Baseball league last year, so this seems like a natural next step.

C1-NRB
ID: 57125523
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 00:25

I'll take the third spot in line for any possible openings, if it goes that deep.

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 02:30

In.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 09:53

We should update the teams for Myers, Odorizzi, and Bauer, to name three.

Great One
ID: 120252515
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 10:04

Casey Kelly to SDG

Species
ID: 2411614
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 15:01

Going to work on some constitution clean up. While I do that, one question for the group:

Our prospect draft rule change did not speak to one aspect.....that being, WHEN must prospects meet our at bat and IP limits. The rule, as currently structured, states:

Before the season at the keeper deadline and then again at the prospect keeper draft deadline, 7 days before the draft (8 days before the ASG), all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released.

The intention for recognizing the rule before the keeper deadline at the start of the season makes sense.....don't dilute the supplemental draft by allowing prospects over the limits to continue to be retained as prospects.

The intention for implementing the limit at the ASB was (in my opinion) directly tied to the timing of the Prospect Draft.

So, the question at hand is: Do we continue to recognize the AB and IP limits for prospects at the All-Star break?

My interpretation of the intention of the rule points me towards an opinion of "no". Without the Prospect Draft in the middle of the season, there is no need to arbitrarily continue to institute the recognition of AB and IP limits for prospects. The new timing of the Prospect Draft fixes the issue of "hoarding" prospects before the Prospect Draft....and any prospects not on the prospect list are then fully available to anyone during the season if they wish to burn a roster spot.

Before I adjust the wording of the Prospect Draft rules, I wanted to make sure that the league is on board with my interpretation. Please discuss and provide your opinions. Thanks.

Species
ID: 2411614
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 15:06

2012 Standings for posterity:

Standings
1. Toral Blues 165.5
2. Team Hall 160
3. Blue Hen 156
4. darkside of the moon 133
5. Ref Guru 127.5
6. Team Tosh 126
7. beastiemike d 118.5
8. youngroman's Luschen 118
9. GO's Gaslight Anthem 106.5
10. Niner's Niners 104
11. Roto Guru 102.5
12. Team GoatLocker 86.5
13. Team Nash 83.5
14. Sam n Max G 82.5
15. Team mjd 81.5
16. Endangered Species 79.5
16. Team Nerfherders 79.5
18. allhair allstars 76.5
19. Slackjawed Yokels 74.5
20. Team Sherby 38.5

Guru - if you would continue to be so kind as to prepare the lottery of the teams outside the top 6 (bmd through slizz), it would be greatly appreciated. I will then prepare the draft grid.

NOTE: Please also run a coin flip between the two 16th-place teams (Nerf and myself) to see who will pick higher. The "winner" of the coin flip will get the 4th spot in the draft.....the "loser" of the coin flip will get the 5th spot.

Species
ID: 2411614
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 15:21

Borrowing from our thread last year after the implementation of our new P-draft rules, our preseason schedule will go something like this now:

Draft order for both drafts and lottery done
Keepers due
Keepers all posted
Prospect Keepers (renouncing/call-ups) due
Prospects posted
P-Draft order/picks/rounds established
P-Draft
P-Draft rules edited with new prospects added
S-Draft
Waivers turned on

Species
ID: 2411614
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 15:27

Fixed the teams of the prospects (including Jean Segura as well):

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK; 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA; 22.07 Tim Wheeler,OF,COL
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT
Guru: 19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE; 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ; 25.02 Matt Sczcur,OF,CHC
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
SlackYokel: 18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was(1); 19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,COL(1);24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
Slizz: 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)

Also adjusted the p-draft wording.....will finalize it more once the question in Post 23 is sorted out.

Prospect Rules
Prospect Draft: The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft).

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 15:48

Re 23: I say no, we don't need to check limits at the ASB. You can hang onto a prospect during his rookie season, then have to keep him.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 16:47

In.

Should I run two separate lotteries - one for the prospect draft, and one for the supplemental draft? I assume so.

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 17:15

28: Yes. Two separate lotteries please.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 21:06

Re: 23 - I agree with the opinion of 'no'. The AB/IP limits were tied to the date of the prospect draft. Let's keep it that way effective immediately.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 21:48

IN, need to look, but might have one or two available.

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 06, 2013, 23:13

I'm assuming prospect draft lottery will be run AFTER we declare keepers and prospects.

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 11:04

32: Thanks for that reminder. That is correct. Teams without prospect draft picks do not get into the lottery.

Guru.....please note. We'll have to run it post-keepers.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 11:44

No on 23. AB/IP limits should be at the time of the draft, whenever it is.

Great One
ID: 120252515
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 12:27

I suddenly have extra closers -- Francisco, Romo and Casey Jansen. Anyone need one?

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 13:18

The following teams have yet to respond:

Jaydog
Darkside
Ref
Allhair
Yokel

Anyone with a particlar relationship -- ie father/son....coworker....stalker....whatever....please hit tbem up.

We have a pretty good consensus on post 23. Barring an objection or differing viewpoint I will adopt a change in the rule indicating that we only enforce limits at the Prospect Keeper deadline.

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 13:27

Correction to prospects: I hold the rights to Xander Boagerts and Anthony Rendon.

mjd
ID: 29021169
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 15:51

What's the potential time frame we might be looking at?

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 16:10

38: Thanks. Will correct that.

40: I am going to have to work on that. Since we now have to have keepers done before the Prospect draft...which must be completed before we start the Supplemental Draft.....one big change will be a much earier declaration of keepers. Probably in the March 7 range as a wild guess. 10th tops.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 17:26

Jaydog has been traveling this week, but I know he's already been thinking about keepers and prospects, so he's in.

Bean
ID: 49934911
Thu, Feb 07, 2013, 20:59

7: I might be interested if you need replacement managers. Would want to know more details about league rules & current rosters.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 08, 2013, 11:46

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK; 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA; 22.07 Tim Wheeler,OF,COL
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT
Guru: 19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE; 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ; 25.02 Matt Sczcur,OF,CHC
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
SlackYokel: 18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was(1); 19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,COL(1);24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Feb 08, 2013, 16:22

Think I can make the time to come back.

Jaydog
ID: 4293421
Fri, Feb 08, 2013, 17:32

I'm in!

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Feb 09, 2013, 22:43

Renouncing Michael Taylor and Tim Wheeler. I know we are supposed to do this later but I missed out on the P draft over the ASB because I thought I posted that I renounced them but didn't. Not making that mistake again.

allhair allstars
ID: 4611820
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 11:03

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 13:52

Lol bmd is not playing around!

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 13:54

...and I shouldn't be talking very much after my teams abysmal performance.

R9
ID: 99272420
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 17:50

Very true. :p I like your prospect list though Slizz.

I can't believe how fast the wheels came off the Wheeler train. 33 HR's to 2 (going to the PCL in Colorado too!), 21 SB's to 7 (with 7 CS).

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 23:01

Probably PEDS. Guy was never a top prospect but I figured I knew more than scouts because zomg 33 homeruns.

Species
ID: 91141520
Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 14:42

Okay, some housekeeping and stuff while I have some time.

Slackjawed Yokel is the only manager yet to check in. darkside notified me via email, and the rest have checked in here. I have emailed him to see what's up.
--------------------------
Our rough outline for this presason:
Draft order and lottery for Supplemental Draft
Keepers due
Keepers all posted
Prospect Keepers (renouncing/call-ups) due
Prospects posted
P-Draft lottery/order/picks/rounds established
P-Draft
P-Draft rules edited with new prospects added
S-Draft
Waivers turned on
------------------------------

Last year Keepers were due March 15th. The draft opened on March 17th and the draft clock started March 19th.

In 2012, the season did not start until April 4th. This year it starts March 31st.....5 days earlier. Thus, I propose the following timeline:

- Keepers due Thursday March 7th
- Prospect keepers due Friday March 8th
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th
- Supplemental draft turned on Wednesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Friday March 15th

The 31st first game combined with the P-draft before the Supplemental Draft really gets things moving early. Please review and discuss....I am open to suggestions.

We will use Draftime. I tried to renew but got a weird message about "no draft slots open" and to try back later. I've emailed them.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 16:09

A helpful idea: once prospects are renounced and reported, we should make an alphabetized list so that people can check them quickly. I am on vacation march 1-10 but will get a list going now and delete those renounced as I see them here and then shoot the list to Species for final posting by march 1. Will need his email.

Does that seems reasonable? Give me a go ahead and I will get started today!!

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 12:56

Judy - that would be awesome. Thanks.

Note: my cursory review indicates that Chisenhall, Harper and Pomeranz now exceed the prospect limits. I may have missed somebody....everyone is responsible for monitoring their own prospects so please double check. I will remove the above players from the prospect list.

Heard back from Draftime. It should open back up by next week sometime. Dust off your passwords.

Note: we will end up temporarily placing our prospect keepers on our ESPN rosters while the supplemental draft is occurring so as to avoid confusion while drafting. Post draft we will remove them until called up.

No word from Yokel. Will start getting worried at the end of the week.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 15:03

YOKEL was late with football too...

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 15:20

I renounce Matt Sczcur.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 15:24

Let's see how this looks. Italics are renounces or reached limits.

Prospects
25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT;
22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL;
25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL;
24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE;
18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK;
21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT
24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS;
18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL;
21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA;
26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1);
18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK;
18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was(1);
24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM;
21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA;
21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;
17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG;
25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS;
22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD;
25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1);
21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL;
19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL;
18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB;
21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX;
19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,COL(1);
21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS;
21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN;
25.02 Matt Sczcur,OF,CHC
24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL
21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ;
24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU;
21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC;
21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P;
15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK;
18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL;
26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA;
15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC;
24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA;
22.07 Tim Wheeler,OF,COL
24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI;
24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY;
25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL;
24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA;
24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA;

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 17:20

KKB got Draftime rolling. Invitations sent.

Found a secondary email addy for Yokel there too...sent hkm a 2nd email.

mjd
ID: 29021169
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 17:55

Should Appel still be listed as a prospect?

He was drafted, but opted to return to Stanford this year. Don't know if this might apply to any other players listed on the current prospect list.

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 20:31

mjd - funny you mention Appel. He may be retained as a prospect. He was drafted in the June draft, thus making him eligible to be drafted at the time of our draft. His rights remain yours, should you choose to keep him.

I am pretty sure we discussed this and reached this consensus. This quandry is now removed for future Prospect Drafts.....because by doing the Prospect Draft in March, we avoid any unsigned players. Said differently, if we did not do a draft last ASB....and Appel did what he did last year, he would NOT be eligible to be drafted this year because he returned to college and wasn't a pro player.

darkside
ID: 284089
Tue, Feb 12, 2013, 21:37

Looking forward to the season! The timeline looks good to me. Thanks, all!

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 12:06

I am looking to deal..... both pre-keepers and post-keepers:

SS: I have last year's #2 SS I. Ian Desmond. 25 hr and 21 sb. I have Jurickson Profar on the cusp of a permanent callup....could be their SS or 2b. Both positions are weak and his obp/power/speed combo is the reason why he is almost the consensus #1 prospect in baseball. I also have Cleveland's Francisco Lindor.....rated the #7 prospect in baseball by ESPN's Keith Law.

Mariano Rivera: I will keep him so he will be available post-keepers to the highest bidder. I would be looking for 2015 picks and prospects.

Sabathia is also available for studly young players and picks.

Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira have plenty left in the tank for teams needing power, rbi and runs in the high scoring Yankee lineup.

Lots of options I would like to consider.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 13:57

Still need to deal something. Kemp, Hosmer, Rizzo, Altuve, Andrus, Sale, Reed, and Halladay are the most likely to go. Let's talk.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 14:13

After being so THRILLED to grab Halladay, you now want to dump him? Ye of little faith.

Great One
ID: 120252515
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 14:24

Well if we are gonna call out Phils fans for not standing by their own - Judy didn't have much faith in Cliff Lee in 2012! :)

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 14:34

Actually, Halladay is my favorite player. And I'm not eager to dump him; I suspect a player with his talents is someone who will bring the most back in return.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:17

Just ran the coin flip between Species and Nerf.

Nerf wins. I have an audit copy of the run, if either party wants to see it.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:20

Species provided the following draft grid - prior to the lottery, of course.

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
2	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
3	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	R9	R9	R9	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	blue hen	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	Ref	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	R9	blue hen	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	GoatLocker	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Tosh	Pete N.
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Guru	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral

Pick	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
2	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
3	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	blue hen	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Jaydog	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	Species	Species	Species
12	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	blue hen	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	Pete N.	R9	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:30

Confirming: ^ This is for the prospect draft?

Also, are we allowed to draft players not yet drafted by a MLB team?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 15:50

No, that is only for the supplemental draft.

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 16:06

Long on keepers, looking to trade for draft picks in 2013 or 2014 or prospect picks. Closers Jim Jonson, Glen Perkins, Huston Street available. Will consider offers for anyone; you might be insterested in Brett Lawrie or Gio Gonzalez.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 16:39

66: Cliff Lee stank it up for most of the season!!

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 17:14

68: Send a copy to R9.....he had the most to lose on that coin flip ;-)

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 18:01

I want to remind everyone of the proposed timeline in post 53 . If anyone has concerns. ...raise them now!

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 18:05

Timeline is fine by me - keepers in 22 days.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 22:00

Time Line works for me.

R9
ID: 99272420
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 23:11

Haha was reading the coinflip with mild interest, then checked the grid and went "Oh right! Did I win?!?! Awww boooo." lol

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 13, 2013, 23:48

Brett Gardner(should get 40+ sbs) and Chris Davis(30+ hrs) available.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 12:33

FYI, I would also consider prospect draft picks in a deal for Kemp, Sale, Altuve, or Addison Reed.

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 12:33

Don't talk to me about Brett Gardner...lol.

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 12:47

Any interest in Dan Uggla??

Would be willing to part ways with him for a reasonable pick in the supplemental draft.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 16:22

Still looking to deal some of my HR/RBI guys: LaRoche, Ethier, Hart, Alvarez. Looking for pitching.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:30

Preparing to run the lottery for the supplemental draft.

spreadsheet with the number combinations is here:
http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Feb13-14x4_balls.xls

I'll send audit copies of the lotto runs to Species, Tosh, and Ref.

Standby...

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:34

Pick #1: 2-9-10-11

Allhair

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:35

Pick #2: 1-7-10-12

Nerfherders

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:36

Pick #3: 6-7-9-10

Slackjawed Yokels

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 15:39

Allhair was "seeded" 3rd in the lottery, Nerf was seeded in a 4/5 tie, and Yokel was seeded 2nd.

Slizz gets the disappointing lottery snub from the top seed (last place) position.

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 18:10

R9 is really bummin over that coin flip now ;-)

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 18:26

Two emails out to two different Yokel emails. I am giving him one week to chime in. Next Friday at 3:00pm Eastern we start looking at options.

GO
ID: 300542419
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 21:04

Trade
Species acquires Evan Longoria, TB
GO's 2015 1st Round
GO's 2015 4th Round
GO's 2014 5th Round

GO acquires Jurickson Profar, TEX
Species 2014 1st Round
Species 2015 Last Round
Species 2015 2nd to Last Round

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 21:46

Confirmed

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 23:21

This about sums up my reaction to that news:

My shocked face.

Re - longoria trade. Bold. But I like it.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Feb 15, 2013, 23:42

That now gives GO four prospects. I'm assuming that GO must still get down to three prospects by prospect declaration day.

There were three managers (R9, Species, and Tosh) that received the special draft-transition exemption, and are allowed to have more than three prospects at declaration day. These managers have until the ASB to drop to three prospects.

Species has now dropped to three prospects, so no longer receives the exemption. Only R9 & myself are now allowed to have more than three prospects on March 9.

GO
ID: 210411222
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 08:44

Casey Kelley or Gerrit Cole are for sale for picks or an upgrade.

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 10:53

Great trade. And Tosh's assessment is correct, in my view.

Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 11:10

Everything Tosh said in 95 is true. GO is subject to the normal 3-prospect limit. I no longer have the exemption.

Now that it no longer applies to me, I would like clarify something regarding the exemption teams....or at least offer my interpretation of it.

It was my perception that the exception was intended to grant the exception teams the same amount of time to evaluate their prospects as they would have had before the rule change - that being the 2013 ASB. We wrote the exception rule requiring them to get down to 3 by the ASB.

What happens if R9 or Tosh make a trade for anadditional prospect after the Prospect Draft?

It would be my thought that at the 2013 ASB the exception teams must not keep more than three of the prospects that they had at the time of the exemption rule. Any prospects acquired since would still be able to be kept until the Prospect Draft next year.....just like any other team that exceeds the prospect limits via trade.

Make sense?

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:02

May or may not make sense -- but according to the rule if they keep more than 3 prospects at the ASB every one of them must have been owned at the end of the PD last year.

100

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:18

Updated with the trade, prospect renouncements as well as removing ineligible prospects:

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA;
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
SlackYokel: 24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)

These managers have had their 2014 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Great One receives Species' 1st rounder for his 5th (Profar/Longoria)

These managers have had their 2015 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Species receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th (Profar/Longoria)

101

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:27

Missed this trade from last year:

R9
ID: 40623279
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:59 Trade:

I send Addison Reed and my 2014 10th round pick to Hen for some bum on his bench and his 2014 3rd round pick.

102

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:32

99: You could be right. Here is what I think was the rule wording (post 584 of last year's thread):

Transitional Rule: At the 2013 prospect draft keeper deadline, managers who had more than 3 prospects at the end of the 2012 prospect draft (“exception teams”) may keep up to as many prospects as they had then (i.e., 4 or 5). If these managers keep more than 3 prospects, every such keeper must be a player who they owned at the end of the 2012 prospect draft. Other teams that acquire a prospect from the exception teams cannot keep more than 3 prospects. All exception teams must reduce their keepers to no more than 3 before the first day of MLB baseball games after the 2013 All-Star Break. (This rule may be deleted from these rules after this first day of games and as soon as exception teams’ keeper lists have been reduced to 3, either by their own action or by the commissioners if an exception team fails to reduce its keepers.)

103

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:46

BUTTing this:

- Keepers due Thursday March 7th
- Prospect keepers due Friday March 8th
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th
- Supplemental draft turned on Wednesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Friday March 15th

104

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:51

The sentence I had in mind:

"If these managers keep more than 3 prospects, every such keeper must be a player who they owned at the end of the 2012 prospect draft."

105

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:52

Yokel's team.....so that possible replacement managers could see what they would be inheriting:

Chris Iannetta, LAA C Carlos Pena, Hou 1B
Jason Kipnis, Cle 2B Adrian Beltre, Tex 3B, DH
Pedro Ciriaco, Bos 3B
Nelson Cruz, Tex OF
Domonic Brown, Phi OF Ichiro Suzuki, NYY OF Bryce Harper, Wsh OF Chris Young, Oak OF Jed Lowrie, Oak SS
Chris Perez, Cle RP Jeremy Hellickson, TB SP Sean Marshall, Cin RP Raphael Soriano, Wsh RP Steve Delabar, Tor RP
Josh Lindblom, Tex RP
Wandy Rodriguez, Pit SP
Jair Jurrjens, FA SP Derek Holland, Tex SP
Aaron Harang, LAD SP
Ervin Santana, KC SP
Chris Young, FA SP

Prospect: Addison Reed, SS, OAK

106

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 13:53

104 -- yes, but the proceeding sentence - as I read it - refers specifically to the 2013 prospect keeper deadline. While they are separate sentences, to me the first sentence helps "define" the context of the second sentence.

Opinions?

107

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 14:00

You're quite right about that. I should have referred to the following sentence:

"All exception teams must reduce their keepers to no more than 3 before the first day of MLB baseball games after the 2013 All-Star Break. "

No exceptions I see.

108

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 14:10

Toral - I agree.

My point was: the intention of the wording was not to extend the rights of the exception teams for those prospects owned as of the rule change. However, subsequent to that, if they acquire a prospect after the prospect draft, they should retain those rights to the 2014 P-Draft just like any of us could.

I don't mean to continue to complicate this any more than it needs to be.....if R9 and Tosh don't care, fine by me.

I will leave it to them to decide whether to push it. But if it is not settled in advance, then their ability to acquire (and retain thru to the 2014 p-draft) a prospect between the P-
Draft and the ASB is in question.

109

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 14:16

My understanding of my team, based on the exemption rule, and #98 above.

** On prospect declaration day (March 8), I am allowed to keep my four prospects (Machado, Hultzen, Zunino & Castellanos). I get no draft picks.

** I must drop or activate one of those four players (Machado, Hultzen, Zunino & Castellanos) by the ASB.

** If I acquire additional prospects after March 8, I have until 2014 to ultimately drop back to three players. This rule applies to all managers.

110

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 14:58

One possible turd in the punchbowl ...

The prospect draft happens, and every team is back to three players (64 players total w/ the exemptions).

Now suppose that prior to the ASB, R9 or myself wants to trade one of the exempted players ... how would that play out?

111

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 15:28

109 says is more clearly than I did :) That is how I feel the rule was intended to be.

110: It is my belief that the rule covering the players on the exempted teams only apply when they are ON the exempted teams. My opinion would be that there would be no further stigma or designation upon them after that.

112

GO
ID: 300542419
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 15:29

Getting an error when I try accept the Longoria trade on ESPN.

We're Sorry
No moves allowed until player in ineligible slot is moved.

113

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 15:55

111 - My question is mainly with the 60 versus 64 player issue.

If I trade away one guy, and R9 trades three ... we have met our end of the agreement. Yet 64 players still remain on the prospect list.

Who is responsible for cutting prospects so we can reach our desired number of 60? Or do we just roll with 64 prospects until 2014? I see no problem doing that, as we complete the transition to the new draft date.

114

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sat, Feb 16, 2013, 20:33

Whoever owns those exemptions prospects would then have to drop a different prospect at the asb.

115

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 11:37

OK, now I'm confused.
Trade I just got an email on voting on is Longoria for Dobbs.
Is real trade still as listed in 92

???????????

116

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 11:39

Dobbs is probably a placeholder since Profar isn't on the active roster--he's a prospect. I was confused, too!

117

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 12:07

That was my thought, but just wanted to make sure.

118

Species
ID: 91141520
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 12:46

116 and 117 ..... yes, that is just a placeholder. The trade is as outlined in 92.

119

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 20:00

114: Nooooooooo wayyyyyyy dude. Really disagree.

The point of the rule was to give teams time to get down to 3. Not to attach any exemption issues on another team.

The result of the rule does, as Tosh notes, conceivably does allow for 64 prospects until the 2014 P-draft.

120

GO
ID: 210411222
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 20:08

How about putting a *** next to the names of those prospects while they are owned by those managers. Or those 3 names only take up 2 slots at most til they are called up, traded or renounced.

121

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 21:55

Species, what stops those teams from trading the prospect they were going to drop at the asb? Since they have to drop 1 prospect they could trade him instead and get compensation. Maybe add if they trade a prospect away they still have to drop a different one.

I'm very opposed and think its a pretty big loophole to have 64 vs 60 prospects in the league after the asb.

122

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 22:23

It seems like we should have kept the All-Star break 3-man cutdown for all teams this year. It's still needed because we're still in our transitional period to the new rule.

As Ref predicted, loopholes are being found, or rather created; interpretations, even if directly contrary to the words of the rule that was adopted, are being trotted out now that give the exemption teams extra benefits.

123

R9
ID: 99272420
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 22:51

Seeing as how this mostly affects me, I'll chime in.

One of the reasons I traded for so many prospect picks was because I planned on going for it all this year. I spent two years wheeling and dealing to line things up for 2013. I wanted to go into this year with as many draft picks and prospects as possible. It is HIGHLY LIKELY that I will at some point trade one or more of my prospects for help this year. That was a major point of why I traded for them. Prospects have established value in G20 as swappable for Main Roster help. (Especially in the closer area... I can count past 5 fingers how many 'insert top 10 prospect here' have been swapped for a top 10 RP arm.)

Now we're attaching some condition to my prospects that would not have been there had we not implemented a new draft date.

My understanding of the exemption rule was to avoid any negative consequences to any team as a result of moving the draft date. Putting conditions on my (and Tosh's) prospects would be a negative consequence.

I think G20 will be better off having the p-draft in the offseason. I just don't think its all that fair that it affect Tosh and I negatively in 2013.

I'm also not sure what the issue is with us having 64 prospects for a bit instead of 60. I could easily be missing something, and I'm open minded... so someone tell me what I'm missing here.

------------------------------------------------

At the end of the day I don't think this issue will affect me all that much, so I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. I'll accept whatever the consensus is. I just wanted to get my side in writing in case some of you hadn't considered it from my POV.

124

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Feb 17, 2013, 23:29

[121 & 122] - Extra benefits? The league decided to change the draft date effective immediately. Three teams had already made strategy trades based on the previous date/rule. These teams have agreed to abide by the previous rule, and drop to three prospects by the ASB.

These teams would normally have had until the ASB to receive the 'extra benefits' from their strategy and trade away their additional prospects. So those teams deserve those benefits. Species just got the 'extra benefit' of someone named Evan Longoria. After the keeper deadline, the 'extra benefits' will be the teams that receive an exempt prospect in trade.

Just because several managers thought it was important to prevent the hoarding of prospects by certain other managers ... we can't penalize the teams that were following a strategy based on the existing rules at the time. We need to just have 64 prospects for now. There are too many possible resolutions/conditions, and then someone has to monitor things the whole time.

125

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 01:09

R9 do you not see how you have a pretty big advantage now compared to if we would've kept the prospect draft at the ASB? You can trade your 3 extra prospects before the ASB and the manager that receives them can wait until next spring to make any decisions. Whereas before they would've had to drop all of the other prospects at the ASB.

The fairest solution imo is to attach "prospect drop" slots on the exemption teams. You would have 3 of these spots and Tosh would have 1. If you trade one of your prospects, you can send that "prospect drop" slot along with the prospect or you can keep it. This would mimic our old setup for you guys while not handicapping other teams that want to deal prospects.

126

R9
ID: 99272420
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 02:07

But doesn't everyone have that advantage? For example, Hen has that same new advantage; he can trade a prospect to someone and that manager doesn't have to make a decision until next spring.

I don't see how its an extra benefit to me; its the same benefit everyone is getting from the draft being moved...

127

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 09:09

The difference is bh and the team he is dealing with are under the same prospect constraints. Your 6 prospects and tosh's 4 are under our old system.

You aren't allowed to keep more than 3 past the asb so why should the new team be given extra time? The team you are trading them to has nothing to lose. This artificially props up the value of your prospects.

The exemption is basically benefitting the team you trade the prospects to and your team since it gives your prospects slightly more trade value. It hurts every team(albeit very slightly) that doesn't deal for a prospect with you guys.

To me it's more of a principle thing. I think my solution is 100% fair to exemption teams and every other team.

128

R9
ID: 99272420
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 17:12

Fair enough. I'm fine with the amendment.

129

Species
ID: 91141520
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 19:55

Teams looking to rebuild shouldn't sleep on Jedd Gyorko. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6396/jedd-gyorko

Local SD paper notes that the Padres want Gyorko to win the SD 2b job. After going .311/.373/.547 with 30 homers and 100 RBI between Double- and Triple-A, he is someone worth investing in.

130

Species
ID: 91141520
Mon, Feb 18, 2013, 19:55

......meaning.....I have him and you need to trade for him :)

131

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 11:25

Still looking to deal Matt Kemp or Chris Sale. Let's talk.

132

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 13:46

I am sending a third and final email to Yokel. As outlined in post 91...he has until Friday the 22nd at 3:00pm to respond. After that we have to move on. I am going to contact the managers who have mentioned their interest - wazuuuup guy, Fosten and Bean. If anyone has any opinions on these 3 and wants to recommend one.....please contact me privately.

Yokel has had over 3 weeks to respond. Life happens, and I hope all is well with him and his family.

Still looking to possibly move d'Arnaud, Rivera, Gyorko, Granderson, Teixeira and even Sabathia.

133

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 13:50

Anyone have Fosten's email?

134

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 14:06

Can someone PLEASE post the league constitution in this thread so potential managers can review the rules?

Like ASAP?

Thanks (sorry...no access from work)

135

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 15:25

titution
Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA;
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
SlackYokel: 24.06 Addison Brown,SS,OAK
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)

These managers have had their 2014 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
8-18-12 R9 receives blue hen's 3rd rounder for his 10th (Reed)
2-15-13 Great One receives Species' 1st rounder for his 5th (Profar/Longoria)

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Species receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th

Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral

Commissioner:
"Ref” refguru@gmail.com - "Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com

Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position

Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.

Activity/Unforeseen Circumstances
Activity will be monitored. Every team and circumstance is different. Not every team will want to change their lineup every day or be able to respond to every trade or answer emails immediately. Not every manager will make as many transactions (add/drops or trades) as others. Albeit, if we notice some time of inactivity or it is brought to our attention, we will address it. Please understand that we are trying to work with you to resolve the issue. You are expected to respond to all trades/emails in a timely manner whenever possible. You are also expected to keep healthy and competitive players who are playing in your active lineup. Activity on our threads in the Rotoguru boards and on our league site are encouraged and required at times for league business, including rules discussions, drafts, etc. Should unforeseen scenarios arise, the commissioners will use their best judgment to settle any matters in the best interest of the league.

Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily. Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our league's bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.

Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.

2013 PRIZE POOL
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.

Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous year's finish and will not snake.

Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, he may not be picked up until after our Prospect Draft that year. No draft-eligible prospect will be allowed to be picked-up after the Sunday freeze before the All-Star break until after the prospect draft concludes.

There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.

Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.

Prospect Rules
Prospect Draft: The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the current standings one week before the ASB and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player.

There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as he's in the ESPN database) by dropping a player. (Commish must do this for you).

Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.

All prospects are listed below. It is each manager's responsibility to alert a commish when your prospect is entered into the ESPN database so an email alert can be attached.

Before the season at the keeper deadline all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.

At the prospect draft keeper deadline, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. They may keep all three or none as long as none have been traded, (see below) but they will only get as many draft picks as it takes to max their prospects at three, barring a trade.

Prospect draft picks are assigned after your prospect keepers are announced. So if you have 3 prospect keepers, you don't have a prospect draft pick to trade. You may trade a pick at any time, but if you have traded a prospect draft pick, you may only declare two keepers. If you've traded two picks, you can only keep one and if you've traded all three, you may keep none. Once prospects have been declared and draft picks assigned, a manager may again exceed three prospects via trade.

136

Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 18:02

At least Tosh voted "No" on the ill-considered and mindless original proposition (to change the date), so he has an equitable case, if not a legal one. Didn't R9 vote "Yes"? I have forgotten.

I completely disagree that there was any intention to change the rules so that teams with extra prospects would not suffer any disadvantage whatsoever from the passing of the rule, being as those supposedly suffering hadn't bothered to bring up their concerns before the original vote and there was strong objection to then changing the rules for them AFTER THE FACT. What was passed was an accommodation out of fairness. Certainly I knew of the prospect-trade loopholes when I drafted the rule, and plugged them as best I could when I wrote the rule. I did not suspect that things like Species' view of the intention of the rule would govern and the words be ignored. More fool me.

The only really outrageous results of the debacle will only take case if if there are prospect trades which are hypothetical, which may well not happen.

So I'm going to drop my concern with the whole issue. I doubt there is anyone completely happy with the way things have turned out.

Toral

137

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 18:53

Toral -- good points.

Thankfully, the manager most affected by this - R9 - has basically said "screw it" (my paraphrasing) and has accepted the issue. Tosh quite likely has a self-fulfilling fix with Machado likely to meet prospect limits well before the ASB.

This has been an imperfect thing that hopefully passes without much more (if any) discomfort.

138

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 19:31

Machado and my other three prospects are very trade-able chips, so I need to know what my options are before I even waste my time contacting managers.

@Toral - When this entire thing went down last year, I was out in the woods with minimal internet access. Using the phone to address my concerns was barely an option. My voting 'no' was almost the most I could do at that time.

Sure, I will be able to activate one of those guys prior to the ASB. But I would have had until the ASB to trade any of my four prospects without penalty. Now it seems that I will have to absorb a penalty if I trade one from March 9 - ASB.

139

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 19:59

I'm confused as to the timing of calling up / keeping prospects on the roster. When it was at the ASB, it's easy, you can keep your prospects through the supp draft and if one is ready in the first half of the season call him up, dropping another player.

I'd like to be able to somehow continue that process but in a smaller timescale, because those of us who have 3 prospects and a high pick dont want to lose the pick or the prospect right away. Nor should we have to hold a keeper slot for a prospect who may or may not start and/or be effective. Because otherwise what is the point of having 3 prospects going into the preseason?

Solution 1. Prospects called up before either draft do not count towards the 9 keepers.

Solution 2. S draft is before P draft, and in the intervening period we can decide if one of our prospects will be better than the bench guys we drafted. Call up, hold, or renounce at that point.

140

R9
ID: 99272420
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 21:40

136, I voted Yes because I really felt moving the draft was better for the league. I chose to decide by more then just how it would affect me.

Sort of like a politician who votes for something out of conscience instead of self-interest. Which is batsh!t crazy, I know. More fool me! :p

141

BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:37

Nerf, it's not an issue. You don't have to keep a guy right after you take him in the p draft.

142

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:48

135. It's 3 OF and 1 DH.

??????

143

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 22:57

Tosh, I don't see how you would get a "penalty". The only issue is if Machado doesn't reach prospects limits by the ASB. Even then, it's most likely he'd reach it after the ASB so you would probably just have him on your regular roster.

Nerf, I'd be against both proposals. Solution 1 gives too much to teams that already have an advantage(a major league ready prospect and 2 other keeper worthy prospects). Solution 2 doesn't work because there would be prospects drafted in the S draft.

If you are overloaded on prospects and have a high pick, perhaps try to deal one of them to those of us that don't have 3 keeper prospects.

144

WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 23:21

Adding my email... still very interested in joining if there's an opening and you would have me.

145

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 19, 2013, 23:25

143 - Yes. I can just activate him any time that I want, and then it's all moot. The only 'penalty' is if I want to trade a prospect. You are the loudest proponent of getting to 60 prospects, rather than having 64. So if I trade a prospect, we are still at 64.

Are you contending that if I trade a prospect [from 3/9-ASB], that we as a league must drop to 63? And if so, which manager must waive one of their prospects (thus absorbing a penalty)?

146

Species
ID: 91141520
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 00:15

Nerf 139: I'd like to be able to somehow continue that process but in a smaller timescale, because those of us who have 3 prospects and a high pick dont want to lose the pick or the prospect right away. Nor should we have to hold a keeper slot for a prospect who may or may not start and/or be effective. Because otherwise what is the point of having 3 prospects going into the preseason?

The point of 3 prospects going into the P-Draft is related to a long-ago compromise when the league was formulating the prospect draft/prospect list rules. Managers who were against it wanted the compromise of 3 per team or 60 total. I think you have to have a limit somewhere and this system has worked reasonably well.

You also have to draw the line somewhere in regards to flexibility. In other words, we as managers have to weigh the cost/benefit analysis of drafting that 18 year old phenom -- who could take 3-4 years or more to make the majors -- but who might just be the next A-Rod, Trout or Harper. Trust me....it effects my decisions and it should effect yours. That's just part of it and it's a check-and-balance that I think works well.

This year, we go in the following order:
1 - regular keepers -- our 9
2 - Prospect keepers -- i.e. who are you keeping as a prospect, who are you renouncing and who are you calling up?
3 - Prospect draft

So....one nice thing is that if you have someone ready for the majors -- Wil Myers for me as an example -- you don't have to keep him as one of your 9.....I can call him up and let go (renounce) his prospect rights and just have him on my team and gain a replacement prospect pick.

147

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 00:37

Tosh, I want 60 prospects at the ASB. If you trade a prospect I want either you or the guy you trade him to to drop a prospect by the ASB. You can negotiate that into a deal if need be. If you don't trade a prospect you'll still have to renounce a prospect. It's not a penalty since if we didn't move the prospect draft to the spring you and the team you were trading with would have the exact same dilemma.

148

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 01:00

So the way I understand it is I keep 9, then I can call up prospects? Okay that makes much more sense.

I have Jacob Turner who isnt going to be keeper quality but certainly a guy I want to give a trial to for the back of my rotation (not as far back as most teams, sadly).

149

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 01:09

It's the same thing as before...except one has to make a decision before the season about carrying prospects.

I think it's shrewd management if he wants to call up Myers and get an additional prospect. Sure he'll be using a slot with no production until Myers super 2 date passes...but the benefit is worth it.

Doing that will give the Rays one more year of his services unless they sign him to an Evan Longoria type deal.

And if there is another slot open, WG would make a great manager.

150

BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 07:44

Wait, if you keep Myers as a prospect then call him up, you don't get another prospect pick. The reason you were able to keep him was because you had a prospect pick available.

152

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 09:45

150: That's not what 146 says. Post REGULAR keepers (i. e. top 9) I can call up Myers to my roster before Prospect Keepers are declared. Then I get a replacement prospect pick.

153

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 10:02

So, as I interpret this discussion, you can call up Myers (for example) after keepers are declared, and then renounce him as a prospect, and then get another prospect pick for the pending prospect draft.

In this instance, you effectively have 10 keepers plus 3 prospects before the supplemental draft begins.

Correct?

154

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 11:29

Concurring with bh150, I don't understand at all how one gets the power to call up a prospect before the supplemental draft is held.

So, since we now get to call up and return prospects -- twice is it? -- before they have to come off the prospect list, we can now call up all our prospects, all have 3 prospect draft picks, and then return them to the prospect list?

155

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 11:30

That's not how I interpret the rule, and not how I want the league to run, personally.

156

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 11:41

No, I take that back. That wouldn't work unless you renouned them as prospects when you called them up.

157

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 11:42

Looking at it, my wording is a little strong. Don't read into it. Just saying that I don't think someone should be allowed to have 10 keepers plus 3 prospects. Callups should happen after the p-draft (or before keepers lock).

158

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 12:10

[154] you can't "send down" a prospect if you have renounced his status as a prospect. And you can't get a new prospect pick unless you renounce prospect rights to an existing (called up) prospect.

So your last sentence doesn't apply (and never has).

159

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 12:11

oops - I see that Toral already renounced that statement [156]

160

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 12:18

153 and 156 are correct....and I didn't clarify that well in 146. In order to get a new replacement pick, in my example I must call up AND renounce Myers prior to the assignment of Prospect picks.

This is no different than what we normally did.....it just happens in March instead of at the ASB.

161

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 12:50

Seeking help on a quandry....thank you Bean for pointing this out.

In last year's p-draft, Yokel drafted "Addison Brown, SS, Oak"

There is no Addison Brown. There is Addison Russell...Oakland's top draftee in the June 2012 draft.

It seems obvious that he meant Russell. I would recommend amending the record of the prospects to correct it. However, that WAS Yokel's oversight....and the point could be made that given that it was his error, we could say "too bad". That would not be my ruling however.

Thoughts? Particularly since there is a 90% chance I will award the franchise elsewhere even if SY pops his head in at the last minute?

162

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:00

We've had typos in the p-draft before. I'm tempted to let this slide, presuming we get to make fun of all three people - Yokel, the new manager, and Ref.

163

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:14

I would amend the name to Addison Russell. We know who he meant.

164

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:35

I always figured it was 9 keepers plus 3 prospects with call ups after the supp draft. No idea how we worded it or what's best for the league.

165

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 13:55

164: I am confused by your interpretation. How is this any different than the old system?

Old system: I declare my 9 keepers. I call up Myers before the Supplemental Draft, giving me 10 players before the supplemental draft even starts. At the ASB I renounce Myers and get a replacement pick (assuming I am under 3 prospects after renouncing Myers).

New system: I declare my 9 keepers. I call up AND renounce Myers before the P-draft, giving me 10 players before the supplemental draft even starts. Then prospect keepers are posted and in this example I get my 1st round pick because I only have 2 prospects.

If anything, this system/scenario is riskier to me. If Myers blows out his knee....or otherwise does not project to exceed the prospect limits, I was forced to renounce him much earlier than before. So, where you see some advantage (debatable)....there is also a price/risk involved too.

166

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 14:31

Yeah, looks like it's fine given our rules.

167

GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 15:24

Trade
GO acquires Gio Gonzalez, WAS
Toral 12th 2013
Toral 12th 2014
for
Toral acquires Casey Kelly, SDG - prospect rights
GO's 2nd 2013
GO's 3rd 2014

168

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 15:42

Confirmed.

169

GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 15:51

Greg Dobbs is a hot commodity.

170

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 15:57

Co sign with #169. Anytime you can get Dobbs you gotta do it.

171

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 17:02

Nice trade fellas!!

172

R9
ID: 99272420
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 20:43

I've talked with lots of managers before seasons start about how so-and-so 'has a 10th keeper', I.E. a prospect who is clearly MLB-ready who will be helping them out right away. Its nothing new.

(Ironically, there doesn't seem to be a clear example this year. ;) Skaggs, Machado and Myers seem like the best bets though)

173

mjd
ID: 29021169
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 21:27

Here's an example that occurred under the old rules a few years ago: One of my 3 prospects was Jayson Heyward. During the S draft, I called him up in lieu of my final draft pick. Because the P draft didn't occur until the ASB, I only had 2 prospects until the ASB.

Hence, a "10th keeper". I never considered the possibility of sending him down, but I could have.

Looks like anyone doing that now gets to replace that prospect 3-4 months earlier, but if he does, cannot send that prospect down if his prospects are maxed out.

What about those teams falling under the exemption? Do they get another pick in the upcoming P draft?

Can that player who was called up be sent down?

174

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Feb 20, 2013, 22:31

Anyone that renounces a prospect in order to receive an additional prospect pick doesn't have the otpion of sending that prospect back down. It's either keep him on your regular roster or drop him.

175

GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 10:40

Anyone looking for a closer I'd move Jansen or Romo either for a pick or player upgrade 2-1.

176

Species
ID: 511502113
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 14:50

Executive Decision: Even though I gave Yokel until tomorrow at 3:00pm ET, I have decided to pull the trigger a day early and award the franchise to a new manager. Some rationale:

- OVER three weeks have passed with no communication
- Last year I nearly reassigned the team due to his being late as well
- His activity was low last year: 12 moves all year
- While poor attention to detail isn't a crime (he drafted someone already on a roster in the P-draft, then got the NAME of the player he drafted wrong to boot), it is perhaps another indication of his inability to devote a reasonable amount of time to the league.

One has to assume real life factors are weighing heavily on his attention. That's not an indictment, it's just life. I wish SY well and wish he had the time to devote to the league.

With that said, I would like to welcome wg, once known as wazuuup guy, to the league. I "interviewed" him last year (for Yokel's team as well) and strongly feel he has the qualities we look for in a G20 manager: the time, the interest, the expertise, the knowledge of prospects, and the activity level to do well. I reached out to several managers in G20 to ask about their experiences with the managers who expressed interest in the league. While everyone got strong reviews, wg was lauded for his high activity and strong competitiveness.....and quite simply he's also done it longer so he is well known to the group.

wg: please introduce yourself and post your email address. I'm sure blue hen is anxious to try to rape you in a trade. :p

177

Species
ID: 511502113
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 14:54

Corrected prospect list and up-to-date trades (will get an updated draft grid done soon as well):

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA;
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 24.15 Matt Harvey,P,NYM; 25.07 Gary Brown,OF,SF
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
mjd: 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL; 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 25.01 Tyler Austin,OF,NYY
Nerfherders: 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,FLA; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
Species: 18.05 Wil Myers,OF,TB; 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
wg: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,OAK
youngroman: 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;24.12 Jean Segura,2B,MIL

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)
2-20-13 Toral receives Great One's 2nd rounder for his 12th (G. Gonzalez)

These managers have had their 2014 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
8-18-12 R9 receives blue hen's 3rd rounder for his 10th (Reed)
2-15-13 Great One receives Species' 1st rounder for his 5th (Profar/Longoria)
2-20-13 Toral receives Great One's 3rd rounder for his 12th (G. Gonzalez)

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Species receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th

178

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 16:35

Oh, Oh, think I'm being stalked.
Welcome aboard wg.

179

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 17:40

Welcome WG! Watch out for bh!

180

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 17:41

What is the order for the p draft? Might make a difference in my renouncing a guy....

181

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 18:50

Judy - that is to be determined. First thing is we will declare our prospect keepers. From there, we assign picks based upon who has less than 3 prospects. Next we run a lottery for the top 3 picks....the rest of the round goes in inverse order of last year's standings...just like our regular draft.

Please see the timeline waayyyyy above...or what I sent out via espn email a few hours ago.

182

WG
ID: 3811221423
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 19:49

Thanks for having me! I really appreciate the kind words and being given a chance to join such a competitive league with such great managers. I think I have played in leagues with you all before and look forward to playing with you here as well.

I'm a very active owner and will probably make a lot of add/drops and bug you all about trades down the line. I am an attorney, so I'm on the computer nearly all day (unless I'm in court), meaning I am usually around to chat or converse via email.

Having said that, it looks like my team can definitely use some work. As of now, I think I'd be comfortable keeping

Bryce Harper
Adrian Beltre
Jason Kipnis
Nelson Cruz
Derek Holland
Jeremy Hellickson
Rafael Soriano

and I'm struggling to find 2 other guys I'd be happy about retaining. No real world-beaters besides Bryce, so I'm definitely open to trade talks. Ideally, would prefer a 1 for 2 or a package for a guy like Harper if possible. Feel free to send any ideas as it'll take me a little time to gauge player values and draft pick values.

Again, thanks for having me!

Go Mets!!

183

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 19:49

Ok so I might get in the top 3 for the first round or be at my regular #7 slot.

I got the timeline. Just trying to decide on whether to keep a guy or hope for a better one in the draft...

184

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 20:16

Commence 82 trade offers coming wg's way.

185

PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 20:40

Welcome WG!

186

darkside
ID: 81492120
Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 21:49

I can't possibly comment on all that has been discussed, though I will mention that my prospect strategy for the last few years has been to draft someone I expect to start next year. The last two years it's given me my starting catcher (Arencibia) and a good SP (Tommy Milone). The notion of a 10th keeper is the primary value I see in our prospects. That's mainly because they're so hit and miss I can't stand waiting 2-3 years to find out the guy sucks, but I can't discount the fact that I'm a terrible trader and can't turn prospects into legit studs like Species does ;)

Speaking of trading, welcome WG--I sent an email your way. I can only assume I wasn't the only one...

I'm so happy baseball is back. I look forward to walking over to the World Series parade when it rolls through DC! The Nats are gonna be a force to be reckoned with this season.

187

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 10:39

TRADE
GoatLocker acquires Jim Johnson, BAL
Toral Last Round pick 2013

for
GoatLockers 4th round pick 2013

188

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 10:45

Confirmed

189

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 11:51

Guys (and Judy);
My time has been very limited the last few months, but it looks like I may start to have a little more time soon. I still need to do some research, obviously. I have way too many potential keepers and obviously a few would not be traded. Somehow I need to get down to 9 from these players. Not sure if I will have the time to investigate any time soon. Send me a note with ideas. I am open to draft picks and prospects or upgrade of keepers. You should probably use email over ESPN as I can't reply to that. If I can ship a guy or two, it will be easier to figure out my keepers and see who else I'd be willing to move.

C J.P. Arencibia, Tor C
1B Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 1B, DH
3B David Freese, StL 3B
SS Hanley Ramirez, LAD 3B, SS
OF Nick Swisher, Cle OF, 1B
OF Matt Holliday, StL OF
SS Alcides Escobar, KC SS
1B Kendrys Morales, Sea 1B, DH
P Tim Hudson, Atl SP
P Adam Wainwright, StL SP
P Carlos Marmol, ChC RP
P Kyle Lohse, FA SP
P Stephen Strasburg, Wsh SP
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP
P Andrew Bailey, Bos RP
P Jose Valverde, FA RP
P Chris Tillman, Bal SP

190

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 12:50

Axford available for very cheap.

191

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 16:38

Wow, I see other people's lineups and my team just doesn't stack up. It seems worse off than it was last offseason. I'm not even sure I have a player that would be a keeper on all 20 teams. (Shields maybe?)

Not set in stone, but looks like my keepers are going to be
C V-Mart
1B Davis
3B Alvarez
OF Willingham
OF Revere
OF Hart
SP Shields
SP Bailey
RP Frieri

That leaves Ethier, LaRoche, Lewis and Doumit up for grabs.

192

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 17:37

Can someone please tell me the date when we'll do the lottery for the p-draft? Not sure why we did it for the s-draft and not the p-draft.

193

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 17:52

[192] species told me that we need to wait until after prospect keepers are final, so that teams without any prospect picks can be excluded from the lottery.

194

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 17:55

Fair. So looks like March 9.

195

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 19:10

PD and I are looking for a 9th keeper...preferably a closer.

Right now, our keepers are looking as follows:

1B - Morneau
2B - Ackley
3B - Frazier
SS - Gordon
OF - Maybin
OF - Darrin "Babe" Ruf
SP - AJ Burnett
SP - Niese
UT - Uggla (would love to move him)

Prospects that will likely be renounced and carried on the active roster:

Anthony Rendon - should be called up post super 2.
Tyler Skaggs - should be part of the rotation from day one.

Would consider moving Boagerts or Correa as both fix to be SS. However, I'm content sitting on their rights as I don't expect either to see any action in 2013.

196

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 21:18

Torri Hunter is available for a Draft Upgrade for anybody interested.

197

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 11:06

Thinking it might be time to move Roy Halladay. Never thought I'd say that. Make an offer.

198

WG
ID: 3811221423
Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 12:59

Got some offers for Bryce... am considering them.

Otherwise, looking to add another keeper or two... willing to trade early draft picks for a player you might not keep.

Or Adrian Beltre in a 1 for 2?

Or Nelson Cruz + a pick or two for a younger OF?

199

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Feb 23, 2013, 22:01

193: We always did the lottery and set the draft and simply removed those who didn't have a pick.

200

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 11:20

199: I kind of like it this way. People have to decide BEFORE hitting the lottery whether or not to "buy a ticket" by renouncing a prospect.

I would be willing to bet that you would have unplanned renouncements if someone got into the top 3.

201

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 15:48

Definitely should be after people renounce.

202

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 17:36

Last year, the lottery was run after the renounce deadline.

203

WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 21:01

Also got Chris Perez if anyone wants a closer for a pick?

204

WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Feb 24, 2013, 23:30

TRADE

Blue Hen gets
WG's 1st and 4th round picks in the supp draft
WG's 2nd round pick in the prospect draft

WG gets
Eric Hosmer
Blue Hen's last 2 picks in the supp draft

205

BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 00:20

Confirmed. To clarify, that's 13.18 and 14.18.

206

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 04:08

Nicely done, BH.

207

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 06:17

TRADE

Blue Hen gets
Slizz's 4th round pick in the supplemental draft.

Slizz gets
Addison Reed, RP, CHW
Blue Hen's last 12th round pickin the supplemental draft.

208

BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 08:21

Confirmed. When it rains, it pours.

I still have one more slot to clear. Also willing to part with my 3rd round prospect pick if you need to keep an extra prospect.

209

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 10:32

Just to give some background on the two trades...

I've been trying to deal Hosmer (or another of my corner men) for a while. In this league, people love youth, and a guy with Hosmer's potential seemed like the kind to bring back a nice haul. Sure enough, from the moment it seemed reasonable to move him, I had plenty of offers, and decent ones. I chose this one because it was the best, and also because it has several parts. If I'd gotten one pick or one player back, even a good one, that's a lot of eggs in the basket. This gives me several nice chips back for Hosmer. That said, it sure is going to be frustrating watching Hosmer star on another team. Especially when Kemp, Bautista, Stanton, and Rizzo all get hurt. It's a great move for WG, getting a building block for his rebuilding team.

For Addison Reed, I had high hopes when I traded for him. In addition to earning saves, I figured Reed would be a nice trade chip in the offseason. Well, the Jim Johnson trade set the value for closers. Reed's better than Johnson (2012 notwithstanding), but that only meant a small upgrade. Remember, I once got a first and third for Jose Valverde. The Reed trade, based on the precedent, is "fair value."

All told, I'm pretty happy. I had to make some moves, and this is certainly the start. Would like to do something else, but at least I'm in better shape than yesterday.

210

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 11:03

Props, both good trades.

Axford can be had cheaper than both Reed and Johnson and he's arguably better than both. Just focus on his k/9 not his bb/9.

211

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 11:40

Nice trade for Hosmer, wg. Very nice. Good value for bh too.

I will get a new draft grid prepared as well.

212

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 11:58

Remember all that talk about Nelson Cruz and Andre Ethier? Here's the draft thread. Looks like Jered Weaver (1.09) or Adrian Beltre (2.20) would have been better picks.

213

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 13:17

Jeff samardzija is available. High k rate and playing for a team that should be good starting in 2014. Great for rebuilding teams.

215

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 17:22

I think I should have 2.12 rather than 2.13 (trade with Great One).

216

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 17:30

I'm looking to trade one of my four (4) fourth rounders in 2013 for a pick in the 6 or 7 range, in exchange for a pick upgrade in 2014. If your team stunk last year, but is going to be good this year, shoot me an email.

217

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 17:43

215: noted. Will correct that.

218

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 18:33

Had a few mins today...

Looks like I'll be keeping these 6 for sure:
1B Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 1B, DH
SS Hanley Ramirez, LAD 3B, SS
OF Matt Holliday, StL OF
P Adam Wainwright, StL SP
P Stephen Strasburg, Wsh SP
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP

Barring a surprise, will keep 3 out of the following:
C J.P. Arencibia, Tor C
3B David Freese, StL 3B
OF Nick Swisher, Cle OF, 1B
SS Alcides Escobar, KC SS
1B Kendrys Morales, Sea 1B, DH
P Tim Hudson, Atl SP
P Carlos Marmol, ChC RP

If you have interest in these 7 or others not mentioned, let me know. So far only two people have inquired and I don't have the time to try and find trade partners. If I have to throw them back, so be it.

219

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 18:58

SPECIAL: the first person who e-mails me offering me a 5th-round draft choice will receive my 10th round draft choice and your choice of Glen Perkins or Huston Street. Do you want the guy with the super heater or the professional closer? It's up to you.

One to a customer, please.

220

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 19:00

RE #214 / #87

Didn't I get the second pick in round 1?

221

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 19:54

Trade confirmed with bmd

My 5th round pick for John Axford and his 12th round pick.

222

WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 19:54

Got Chris Perez if anyone still wants a closer

223

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 20:06

Confirmed axford trade.

224

Jaydog
ID: 54156268
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 09:57

Anibal Sanchez and Jarrod Parker are available to anyone looking for some keeper quality pitchers. Parker especially should be valuable to a team looking to get younger in the rotation. Let me know if anyone has any interested, looking for draft picks and/or the ability to upgrade one of my existing keepers.

225

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 16:40

Keeper Declaration Thread

I am gone all weekend drinking, golfing and watching hockey....so I had better get the keeper thread up now.

Keepers are due March 7th at 12:00pm ET.

226

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 16:59

Prospect Draft Thread

Same deal. Getting things set up while I have the opportunity. We will handle renouncements, call-ups, the lottery and other discussion in this thread.

227

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 17:15

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	allhair	slizz	slizz	blue hen	slizz	slizz	slizz
2	nerfherders	WG	WG	blue hen	WG	WG	WG
3	blue hen	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	slizz	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	bmd	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	R9	R9	R9	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	blue hen	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	Toral	Ref	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	R9	blue hen	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	Toral	GreatOne	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	GoatLocker	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Tosh	Pete N.
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Guru	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral

Pick	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
2	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
3	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	blue hen	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Jaydog	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	Species	Species	Species
12	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	nerfherders	bmd	bmd
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	blue hen	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	Pete N.	R9	slizz	WG	WG
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	GreatOne	Toral	GoatLocker

228

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 17:21

Hopefully 227 is accurate, including:

- Fixing Toral's pick
- Lottery
- Axford trade

Please review. I blow it all the time!

Thanks Guru for posting.

229

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 23:13

From the keeper thread: Also on your team page, you must select your 9 keepers PLUS all of your prospects. This is located toward the top of your team name and has the deadline next to it. Please make you don't go over your 9 regular keepers

How do we add prospects on our team page if the keeper limit is 9?

Plus do we drop players to add the prospects????

Help!

230

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 02:55

Attn: WG -

You may not be aware that you have Drew Pomeranz, (Col, SP) on your roster.

He is technically still one of your prospects. He has met the standards that do not allow him to remain a prospect on your roster.

You have the option of waiving him, making him keeper #9, or "keeper #10" (see post 165 above).

231

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 11:42

Judy - sorry for the confusion....I cut and pasted that.

I will figure out the exact mechanics. One way or the other, our 9 keepers and prospects will end up on our rosters and in Draftime so we can easily search to see who is available.

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Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 13:39

No prOblem -- going on vacation and wanting to get stuff done before I go. Will have access, but won't be checking as often..

233

WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 23:06

Thanks for the heads up Tosh. Declare him as a keeper with Addison Russell, call him up, and still get 2 picks in the prospect draft? 2nd one going to BH of course. And then I just lose one pick at the end of the supplemental draft?

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Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 23:32

Actually, I am probably wrong on the timing. Since Pomeranz has surpassed the 110IP threshold (he has 115), you cannot keep him as a prospect past the keeper deadline of Thursday 3/7. So you cannot use him as "keeper #10". Can someone please confirm that I am listing his options correctly.

On 3/7 - Auto-renounce the prospect rights to Pomeranz. He can be one of your 9 keepers, or you can release him (like all non-kept players)
On 3/8 - Keep Russell as a prospect. Have have two prospect picks available. One of which you have traded.
On 3/10 - Draft one prospect.

235

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 01:01

That's what I had to do with Chapman last year. Had to dump him or keep him as one of the 9.

236

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 18:31

#58

Will be on vacation 1-10 so not able to update prospect alphabetical list. Will be checking in though for

Nb. My prospects stay as on list: choice and Archie bradley. Keepers listed on espn and thread. Someone needs to add my prospects to my espn team...thanks.

237

GO
ID: 210411222
Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 19:24

Damn.. not long ago i offered the world to Judy to get Hanson and now he is not even a keeper anymore. Amazing how quick he fell.

238

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 20:03

Amazing, no? Don't trust his health of lack of it...

239

GO
ID: 210411222
Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 07:37

Everything seemed to be in line for him to be great. Then it all unravelled.

240

blue hen
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 16:45

The plot thickens. At this rate, it's looking like a team of non-keepers could beat most of our keeper teams.

241

BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 19:16

Looks like Chris Perez is hurting and had a fight with management about it. Anyone want Vinnie Pestano? If you give me your 8th rounder for my 9th rounder, he's yours.

242

darkside
ID: 1425647
Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 08:56

Mid-to-late round pick upgrades are all I'm looking for if you have an interest in Josh Johnson, Tommy Milone or Broxton.

243

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 10:54

Looking to trade my 3rd round prospect pick for supp picks. Let's talk.

244

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 14:47

re: 240 - it would probably beat my team this year! haha.

245

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 15:53

Brett Gardner still available for a very small draft upgrade.

246

Meatwads
ID: 3125026
Mon, Mar 04, 2013, 20:41

Hey guys. I know you're all full this year but I'd like to be considered for a future opening. If anyone keeps track of a waiting list, I'd like to be put on it. If there is no list then I'd appreciate if someone that plays in the G20 basketball league with me will let me know if a spot ever opens up. Thanks.

michaelpatrickrichards@gmail.com

247

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 11:53

A reminder: Keepers are due Thursday at Noon. The following teams have not yet declared keepers:

Nerf
R9
Mjd
Guru
Wg
Darkside
Tosh
bmd
yr
Ref

Prospect keepers are due the NEXT DAY. We will declare prospect keepers HERE IN THIS THREAD to avoid cluttering up the boards.

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GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 12:28

Meatwads we'll be sure to note your interest if another spot opens up. Didn't you even win the G20 hoops league? Anyone who wins one of these should get top consideration to join one of the others.

Species... want to keep a rolling prospect list? i.e. people copy and paste the same list and add their own?

2013 G20 Prospect Declarations
GO - Profar, G.Cole, Shelby Miller (no picks)

249

Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 12:40

Jaydog's Prospect Declaration
Keep
Miguel Sano
Matt Harvey

Renounce
Gary Brown

250

Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 13:02

Keepers: Jake Odorizzi, Casey Kelly

Renounce: None

251

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 13:26

anyone interested in Melky Cabrera? he is available for a pick upgrade.

my prospect situation is more clear:
SS Sean Segura will be renounced and called up as my "10th keeper"
SP Julio Teheran will be renounced and called up as my "11th keeper"
OF Brett Jackson will be my only prospect keeper

this gives my 2 prospect picks.

252

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 13:31

2013 G20 Prospect Declarations
GO - Keep Profar, G.Cole, Shelby Miller / no picks
Jaydog - Keep Sano, Harvey / renounce Gary Brown
Toral - Keep Odorizzi, Casey Kelly / renounce none

253

mjd
ID: 29021169
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 13:41

2013 G20 Prospect Declarations
GO - Keep Profar, G.Cole, Shelby Miller / no picks
Jaydog - Keep Sano, Harvey / renounce Gary Brown
Toral - Keep Odorizzi, Casey Kelly / renounce none
mjd-keep Appel/renounce Cox and Austin

254

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 14:02

Keep George Springer & Albert Amora

Renouncing none.

Chisenhall is released (no longer prospect-eligible)

255

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 14:21

Keep Francisco Lindor and Mason Williams.

Call up and renounce Wil Myers. That will leave me with 1 pick.

(Can't cut and paste from the phone)

PS - Only teams out of "the money" will be eligible for the lottery. In the Supplemental Draft those are the bottom 14. Whichever of those same teams that have picks - which is likely to be less than 14 - will participate in the lottery to determine the first 3 picks in Round 1 only. Rounds 2 & 3 are simplh inverse order of last year's finish.

256

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 17:00

I was a bit confused about prospect rules, I am going to change my declarations. I am renouncing Matt Harvey but will be calling him up and adding him to my roster.

2013 G20 Prospect Declarations
GO - Keep Profar, G.Cole, Shelby Miller / no picks
Jaydog - Keep Sano/ renounce Gary Brown and Matt Harvey (2 prospect picks)
Toral - Keep Odorizzi, Casey Kelly / renounce none
mjd-keep Appel/renounce Cox and Austin

257

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 17:20

Question on 10th keepers: I had Hosmer as a prospect one March, and then had to keep him as one of my 9 keepers. He was over the limit – is this option only available to players under the limit or could I have kept Hosmer as a 10th keeper?

258

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 17:21

Also, I don't have any prospect, so I renounce none and have four picks, my own three plus WG's second.

259

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 17:46

Brandon League is available for a pick upgrade.

260

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 18:22

257: Hosmer was handled correctly. At the keeper deadline all prospects must meet our prospect limits in order to remain on the prospect list. Once they are determined to be over the limit they must be kept as part of your 9.

Bryce Harper is in a similar position this year.

261

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 18:38

Calling up and renouncing Jacob Turner

Keeping Arenado and Buxton

262

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 05, 2013, 23:05

Keeping choice, a bradley
One pick left...

263

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 00:12

Renouncing all 3 of my prospects. They suck.

264

R9
ID: 99272420
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 03:09

I'm keeping all 6 of my prospects.

lol bmd, I would've liked having Cron and Wheeler a year ago too...

266

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 09:04

Keeping all 3 prospects.
Zach Lee,P,LAD
Christian Yelich,1B,MIA
Kevin Gausman,P,BAL

No picks.

267

jaydog
ID: 1825669
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 10:56

Rafael Betancourt is available for a pick upgrade to anyone looking for a closer.

268

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 13:03

26 hours until the Keeper Deadline and the following managers still need to post their keepers:

R9
mjd
WG
bmd
youngroman
Ref

24 hours after that, prospect keepers are due. The following teams have yet to declare their prospect keepers/renouncements/call-ups here in this thread:

slizz
WG
allhair
Pete
Tosh
Ref
darkside

Silence will constitute no renouncements or call-ups, and all prospects eligible to remain on the list will be kept.

I will ask Guru to run a coin flip between Nerf and I to settle the tie. Winner receives the higher spot pre-lottery.

269

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 13:04

Ooops. 23 hours. I can't tell time. Keepers are due tomorrow at Noon.

270

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 14:34

I haven't had anyone really contact me outside a couple people right off. The couple others I have talked to have zero interest in any of my players. So here is what I am looking at:

Looks like Ill be keeping these 6 for sure:
1B Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 1B, DH
SS Hanley Ramirez, LAD 3B, SS
OF Matt Holliday, StL OF
P Adam Wainwright, StL SP
P Stephen Strasburg, Wsh SP
P J.J. Putz, Ari RP

Leaning toward keeping these two:
3B David Freese, StL 3B
OF Nick Swisher, Cle OF, 1B

Then have one last spot where I might literally play eeny meeny miney moe on. I may cut it down to 2 or 3 before I do it, but here is why...

C J.P. Arencibia, Tor C - I love this guy. I hate catchers. When they do play they generally hurt you. This guy will hurt your OBP but most Cs do. But he was only able to play half the year before he got hurt and hit over 20 HRs. A C that actually contributes is HUGE in this league.

SS Alcides Escobar, KC SS -- This guy steals bases. The only reason he isn't an automatic keeper for me is because I already have a SS. Hanley has 3B eligibility, but if I keep Freese, that is tied up as well. So my Util is already filled up. Steals and saves seem to be the hardest stats to come by in this league. Gettign that from a SS is HUGE--but it will be my UTIL. Sure i can move Hanely to Util if it makes me feel better. ;)

1B Kendrys Morales, Sea 1B, DH - This guy was the one of, if not the, best layer in baseball before his injury two years ago. Now he is going to play every day and moved up to the heart of the lineup. This should mitigate Seattle's home field disadvantage. He crushes the ball. But again, I have a 1B so he'd be my UTIL. So I can't keep both Escobar and Morales unless I dump Freese and move Hanley to 3B.
P Tim Hudson, Atl SP --I will never be able to trade him because 90% of the league refuse to put old guys on their team. Best offer I had for him was two years ago when I was at the bottom I had a contender offer me a 10th for their 12th when I was keeping him. I love old guys so remember that when you are trying to get younger. Holla atcha boy! The thing I have to deal with is do I want a P or a H. Ps seemingly are a little wasier to find than a H, so he is probably on the cutting block at this point. Still 17 win projection reeks of studliness.

P Carlos Marmol, ChC RP - This guy is a headache! On one hand he leads MLB in K/9. On the other hand he pitches for the lowly Cubs and his save opps aren't as great as most. Then when he does get in--at times in non save situations--he can be wild as all get out. I've seen him K the side but he has walked 4 and given up 3 ERs. The Tigers are really interested in dealing for him and that could raise his value significantly. Saves are so hard to come by that I am having a hard time let go.

The smart thing is probably to keep Hudson or Marmol instead of a hitter I have to use in the UTIL slot from the get go, but I also have to be conscious of the kind of talent I'd be able to get in the draft and FA pool during the ssn. Tough call. I really thought I would have dealt a couple players by now and simply keep who was left, but most of us overvalue our own players and undervalue others.

272

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 15:41

Slizz's prospect declarations:

Keeping on the farm:

Bubba Starling, OF, KC
Xander Boagerts, SS, BOS
Carlos Correa, SS, HOU

Renouncing and calling up to active roster:

Tyler Skaggs, SP, AZ
Anthony Rendon, 1B/3B, WSH

For those interested in one of the three (3) prospects that will be retained, I would consider moving one for a future prospect pick (i.e. 2014/15/etc.)

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems keeping Rendon all year on the active roster. That said, trading one of the three would allow me to keep Rendon in prospect status.

273

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:28

Any picks in the recently accepted deal?

274

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:35

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Jaydog (Team Hall):

Jarrod Parker, SP, OAK
Supplemental Draft Pick 14.19

Slizz/PD (Island of Misfit Toys):

Supplemental Draft Pick 7.01

275

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:36

He was going to be my pick at 1.04.

I didn't want to chance him going in the top 3.

276

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:41

Outstanding move slizz. I really wanted to figure out a way to get Parker myself. It would have been a crime if Parker did not get retained as a keeper.

Be sure to amend your keepers in the keeper thread.

277

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 17:47

I was 100% taking him at #4. As the draft neared, he was one of those guys who I felt should be kept due to his age and potential. However, when you look at jaydog's squad, there was no room for him. My squad welcomes him with open arms as he gives me a building block who I anticipate keeping the following year.

I "self-edited" the thread to reflect the change.

278

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 18:27

Guru performed a coin flip to break the tie between nerf and I for 4th "seed" in the lottery. I won this time and will be seeded higher than him in the lottery.

279

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 18:27

Just ran a coin flip as a tiebreaker for Species and Nerf for the prospect draft.

Species wins.

280

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 19:03

Yay Species!

281

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 20:40

The renouncements and callups can still be amended until the deadline. However, assuming no changes, here is the prospect list as it stands now:

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd: 21.17
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 24.09 Ryan Wheeler,1B,ARI; 25.05 Ryan Lavarnway,C,BOS; 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN;
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT;
Nerfherders: 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
Slizz: 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS
Species: 24.14 Mason Williams,OF,NYY; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
wg: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,OAK
youngroman: 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;

282

darkside
ID: 81492120
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 21:09

I will retain the rights to Adam Eaton.

I renounce the rights to Ryan Wheeler and Ryan Lavarnway.

I'll have 2 picks in the prospect draft.

284

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Mar 06, 2013, 23:21

Retain: Zach Wheeler and Grant Green

Renounce: Jameson Taillon

285

Species
ID: 91141520
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 00:01

- Keepers due Thursday March 7th Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Friday March 8th Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th Noon ET
- Supplemental draft turned on Wednesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Friday March 15th

NOTE: I have set the Keeper input date on ESPN for Friday at 11:00pm. This is because you will need to pick up any retained prospects if they are available on ESPN and mark them as keepers.

The keeper deadline will then pass and the rest of the player universe will be put on waivers while we do the prospect draft. Then by the time the Supplemental Draft is ready to roll, the players will be off of waivers and we can be picking them up when the draft starts.

I amended the number of keepers to encompass enough prospect slots. DO NOT keep more than your 9 keepers and your respective number of prospects.

I've also had to temporarily allow 14 bench players to account for R9's 6 prospects. Keep in mind we will have our normal allotment of 23 players once the draft is over.

286

WG
ID: 3811221423
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 01:37

I'm going to post my keepers now, but am still trying to make a deal before noon tomorrow. This is ok, right?

287

R9
ID: 99272420
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 02:07

Yep, you can change them right up until noon EST tomorrow.

Speaking of which, Slizz... which player is back in the pool now after your change? I'd already crossed your keepers off my list but I don't remember who you replaced Parker with.

288

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 03:36

Trade announcement

Bmd sends
Chris Davis
Willin Rosario
14.14

Wg sends
6.02

289

Wg
ID: 552431321
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 03:37

Confirmed

290

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 06:51

Player back in the pool is Josh Rutledge, SS, COL

Nice trade, WG.

291

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 09:40

Btw, it was my understanding that there would be one more prospect numbers check at this year's ASB. If you want to take that away, that's fine, but I think the managers who have these exceptions to carry over players this draft still need to have that ASB check for all of their prospects. My two cents.

292

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 11:24

Yes, as I understand it: the exception people need to be down to 3 (unless they added a pick in this draft), and other people have no check at the ASB.

293

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 11:30

291: Buried in the thread was some discussion on that. The loudest opinion (I personally would hesitate to call it a consensus) was that not only must the two exemption teams get down to 3 prospects by the ASB....but if the exemption teams traded one of their prospects, the team that traded for them must also be at 3 or less by the ASB.

If a team goes over 3 by trading for anyone else's prospect, that's fine.

After some discussion, Tosh and R9 more or less acquiesced and accepted that condition.

294

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 11:31

Looking for a last minute deal for Elvis Andrus. Find me on IM if you want it...

295

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 12:54

We need to get the WG/bmd trade in espn ASAP

296

Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 13:08

Now, should we be dropping our non-keepers so we know who all is available?

297

GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 13:11

I should happen automatically I would assume.

298

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 14:50

Fellas, I just wanted to call out that Keeper Declaration Day is one of my favorite days of the year. Thank you all for being part of this league.

299

Species
ID: 53256713
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 14:56

I have added all of your prospects to your respective rosters (even though you still have time to change them -- but this is the best chance I have to do it...). You must now go to your team page on ESPN and hit the "Select Keepers" link -- it is located near the top of your page below your team name.

**MARK YOUR 9 KEEPERS AND YOUR RETAINED PROSPECTS AS KEEPERS** The deadline to do this is Friday at 11:00pm.

That way, once keepers run overnight Friday, we will be left with a draftable population for our Supplemental Draft. We will adjust roster sizes after the draft.

300

Species
ID: 53256713
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 14:58

PS - this process also includes "10th keepers" like Myers, Segura, etc that you have called up and renounced. So for me, I selected my 9 keepers, Myers, Lindor and Williams.

301

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 15:36

I was reminded that I missed the call ups. Teams can add them themselves......I just had some time earlier but now I am back at work with no access and am not going to be on for a while.

302

darkside
ID: 81492120
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 22:55

Thanks for keeping things running, Species!

303

Species
ID: 91141520
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 23:06

Hmmmmmmm. yr added his callups Segura and Teheran. mjd picked up Turner. I added Skaggs and Rendon for slizz.....any other callups/renouncements I missed???

If so....add them yourself please :)

304

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 23:07

Keeping all four prospects.
Manny Machado,(1); Danny Hultzen; Mike Zunino; Nick Castellanos

305

WG
ID: 3811221423
Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 23:24

Keeping Addison Russell

306

R9
ID: 99272420
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 00:06

Ditto 302, gj this year buddy!

Hey WG, which two guys did you boot from your keepers list to keep Rosario and Davis?

307

WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 00:08

Derek Holland and Jeremy Hellickson

308

mjd
ID: 29021169
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 01:33

303-Nerf has Turner.

309

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 07:18

Species...thanks for doing that.

Also, please confirm if you're getting my emails.

310

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 08:32

Slizz....sorry....they went to spam somehow. Just dug out the last one and replied.

311

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 09:08

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Species sends:

2013 1st round prospect draft pick (1.03)
2014 5th round supplemental draft pick

Slizz/PD sends:

Rights to Xander Boagerts, SS, BOS
2014 7th round supplemental draft pick

As a result of the trade, I will now prospect Anthony Rendon and only renounce/call up Tyler Skaggs to my active roster.

312

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 09:16

Confirmed.

As a result of this trade, I renounce rights to Mason Williams. That leaves me with Bogaerts and Lindor as prospects, leavingme with my 1st round pick to trade.

Slizz....as I mentioned, my first rounder is currently *seeded third* in the lottery....that pick could move up or down. If that changes anything, speak now or forever hold your peace.

We will run the lottery after the keeper deadline. Fyi...I am out several hours this morning but will get the draft grid and lottery info to Guru towards the late morning Pacific time.

313

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 09:17

::crossing fingers:: maybe i'll get lucky after the supplemental draft lottery did not go in my favor.

314

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 09:21

Why wasn't the lottery run long ago? If anyone doesn't have a pick it simply goes away. Makes a big difference in the trading like this.

I was interested in getting Bogaerts back but didn't have a top prospect pick to give him.

315

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 09:37

Rd.Pk Overall Manager Player Name Pos Team Pick Time
0.00 0 ref Bauer, Trevor P ARI Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Young, Delmon OF DET Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Stubbs, Drew OF CIN Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Maybin, Cameron OF SDG Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Morales, Kendrys 1B LAA Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Hudson, Tim P ATL Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Wainwright, Adam P STL Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Bailey, Andrew P BOS Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Marmol, Carlos P CHC Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Rendon, Anthony 3B WAS Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Strasburg, Stephen P WAS Keeper Pick
0.00 0 ref Ramirez, Hanley SS MIA Keeper Pick
1.02 2 ref Swisher, Nick OF NYY Mar 18, 10:35 am
2.01 21 ref Murphy, Daniel 2B NYM Mar 19, 1:21 pm
3.01 41 ref Arencibia, J.P. C TOR Mar 19, 10:16 pm
3.04 44 ref Encarnacion, Edwin 3B TOR Mar 19, 10:56 pm
4.01 61 ref McCarthy, Brandon P OAK Mar 20, 10:53 am
6.01 101 ref Buehrle, Mark P MIA Mar 21, 12:26 am
8.01 141 ref Escobar, Alcides SS KAN Mar 22, 8:48 am
9.01 161 ref Westbrook, Jake P STL Mar 22, 6:43 pm
9.03 163 ref Infante, Omar 2B MIA Mar 22, 7:08 pm
10.01 181 ref Venable, Will OF SDG Mar 23, 12:07 am
11.01 201 ref Jones, Garrett 1B PIT Mar 23, 5:09 pm
13.01 241 ref Scott, Luke OF TAM Mar 25, 8:12 am
13.05 245 ref Lohse, Kyle P STL Mar 25, 8:12 am
14.01 261 ref Iwakuma, Hisashi P SEA Mar 25, 5:22 pm

Wow! I had a decent draft last year. Lohse in the 13th! Encarnacion in the 3rd! Escobar in the 8th!

317

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 11:44

League Proposal:

I propose that each year, starting in 2014, we run the prospect draft lottery on Feb 1, including all 14 non-prize teams, whether or not they are full. That way, if someone who is full wins the lottery, they have the opportunity to trade a prospect and make their pick.

Any support?

318

R9
ID: 99272420
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 12:16

Not sure I like that idea. People already know if they have a good shot at #1 or not. If you want a ticket to the lottery, you should have to buy one... (whether that be freeing up a propsect slot by trade or dropping).

And if we were to do it your proposal's way, why Feb 1st? Why not the day after the season ends?

319

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 12:32

I agree with R9. The only reason prospects were held up before is because we didn't know the draft order to run the lottery. It makes no difference who has prospect availability or not. Now that the pdraft is in the spring, you could do both lotteries at the end of each season. Again, waiting makes no sense at all. You have a template and whoever keeps/trade prospects simply lose their picks. Perhaps Slizz's pick is a #1 or it is a #6 or it stays a 3. There shouldn't be any guessing at this point. We don't declare the regular lottery after we name our keepers. What happens if a #14 wins the lottery. That could change his entire prospect keeper decision.

320

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 12:38

I meant I agree with R9 as far as it makes no difference end of ssn or Feb 1. In our 10 years or so of doing this we have always done the prospect lottery 7 days before keepers were due (8 days before the draft).

321

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 12:44

I should say renouncements were due. There are no keepers who need to be announced for prospects, obviously. If they are eligible you automatically keep them unless you renounce them in time for the draft to be set up. Was talking to Slizz today and he could be 1 to 6. It is a wonder he even made that trade based on who he is targeting. I think no way he does it at 3 or lower EXCEPT this allowed him to keep Rendon as a prospect.

OK back to work - sorry for so many posts. I am not trying to trade and not in lottery so it doesn't affect me, but could affect others.

322

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 12:56

Also propose that we lower the number of teams in both lotteries from 14 to 7. The 7th place team in G20 should not have a chance at 1.01 the next year.

323

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 13:53

317: I disagree with the proposal and echo R9's point....in order to be in the lottery, you need to buy a ticket in advance. You can't claim a Powerball win when your numbers hit but you didn't buy a ticket. I realize this likely differs from what occurred when Ref ran it....but I think this is a better way to go about it.....creating a real decision from teams before they know whether they hit the lottery.

321: As far as slizz' motivation, you are correct that him being able to keep Rendon was part of his total consideration. He will likely get SOME downgrade in prospect value from Bogaerts to ?? ..... but then again he may not if the lottery falls right. So in exchange for that risk, he got 2 rounds of value in 2014 and the ability to keep Rendon. Seems like a win/win.

Guru has the updated draft grids and should be proceeding with the lottery shortly.

324

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 14:10

Don't like either proposal.

What the hell? I offered a better package than species and wouldve upped it if I knew I was close.

325

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 14:20

Mainly I'm just mad at myself since I should've had bogaerts for free but forgot to announce my renouncements prior to the prospect draft last year.

326

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 15:05

[320] Last year, renouncements were due on July 1. The lottery was run on July 5th. I didn't look further back to previous years, but the sequence of events this spring is no different than what we did last summer.

327

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 15:07

From Species, here is the final grid of picks for the Supplemental Draft:

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	allhair	slizz	slizz	blue hen	slizz	slizz	Jaydog
2	nerfherders	WG	WG	blue hen	WG	bmd	WG
3	blue hen	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	slizz	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	bmd	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	R9	R9	R9	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	blue hen	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	Toral	Ref	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	R9	blue hen	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	Toral	GreatOne	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	GoatLocker	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Tosh	Pete N.
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Guru	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral

Pick	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
2	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
3	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
4	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders	nerfherders
5	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
6	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
7	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
8	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	blue hen	Pete N.
9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
10	Guru	Jaydog	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	R9	R9	GreatOne	GreatOne	Species	Species	Species
12	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	nerfherders	bmd	WG
15	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	blue hen	Tosh
16	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
17	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
18	blue hen	blue hen	Pete N.	R9	slizz	WG	WG
19	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	slizz
20	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	GreatOne	Toral	GoatLocker

328

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 15:13

BMD - while you could've. Species was the only one who gave me top 3 odds.

Given that, the only way I would've done a deal with you was with Taveras and that was something you made clear wasn't happening.

I'm anxious to see how the lottery pans out.

329

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 15:13

Here is the Prospect draft grid, before running the lottery. Teams 10-14 will not be part of the lottery.

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3
1	WG	blue hen
2	allhair
3	slizz
4	Nerf
5	mjd	mjd
6	judy
7	Guru
8	youngroman	youngroman
9	bmd	bmd	bmd
10	Ref	Ref
11	darkside	darkside
12	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
13	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Toral

330

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 15:38

327 should be up to date....even if the LM note on Espn isn't (will fix that). Managers....please review.

331

Species
ID: 3222815
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:22

Here is the final list of prospects entering the Prospect Draft.....along with an updated listing of trades. Please review.....but they should be accurate with the draft grid in #327.

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM
bmd:
Blue Hen:
Darkside: 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN;
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ;
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT;
Nerfherders: 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE;
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3b,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS;
Species: 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
wg: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,OAK
youngroman: 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC;

These managers have had their 2013 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
2-24-13 blue hen received WG's 2nd round prospect pick (Hosmer)
3-8-13 slizz receives Species' 1st round prospect pick (Bogaerts)

These managers have had their 2013 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-17-12 R9 receives Species' 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders for his 12th, 13th and 14th (2012 picks, prospect pick)
3-18-12 R9 receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 10th and 11th.
6-03-12 blue hen receives Pete's 1st rounder for his 10th (Reddick)
7-2-12 blue hen receives R9's 4th rounder for his 11th (prospect picks)
8-4-12 Goatlocker receives Ref's 4th rounder for his 5th (Valverde/Putz)
8-5-12 Guru receives Jaydog's 4th rounder for his 9th (Betancourt)
8-24-12 Tosh receives blue hen's 6th rounder for his 13th (Aceves)
8-26-12 Pete receives blue hen's 7th rounder for his 13th (Balfour)
2-20-13 Toral receives Great One's 2nd rounder for his 12th (G. Gonzalez)
2-22-13 Toral receives Goatlocker's 4th rounder for his 14th (Johnson)
2-24-13 blue hen received WG's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th (Hosmer)
2-24-13 blue hen receives slizz' 4th rounder for his 12th (A. Reed)
2-25-13 bmd receives Nerfherders' 5th rounder for his 12th (Axford)
3-6-13 Jaydog receives slizz' 7th rounder for his 14th (Parker)
3-7-13 bmd receives WG's 6th rounder for his 14th (Rosario, Davis)

These managers have had their 2014 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
8-18-12 R9 receives blue hen's 3rd rounder for his 10th (Reed)
2-15-13 Great One receives Species' 1st rounder for his 5th (Profar/Longoria)
2-20-13 Toral receives Great One's 3rd rounder for his 12th (G. Gonzalez)
3-8-13 slizz receives Species' 5th rounder for his 7th (Bogaerts)

These managers have had their 2015 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Species receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th

332

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:39

Will run the prospect lottery momentarily. Spreadsheet with number combinations is here:
http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Mar13-14x4_balls.xls

333

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:43

First pick (3-9-10-14): Slizz

334

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:44

Second pick (4-5-10-13): Allhair

335

Species
ID: 3222815
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:45

Okay.....posted an alphabetical list of all remaining prospects in the Prospect Draft Thread . I also listed some top prospects who were either kept as part of someone's 9 (Taveras, Hamilton, d'Arnaud) or called up and renounced (Myers, Skaggs, others).

Hopefully this will help avoid mistakes....but I may have missed someone on a roster. Keep in mind it is the drafter's responsibility to check to make sure the player they select is eligible.

Once the lottery is completed and Guru has posted the final Prospect Draft Grid, the Prospect Draft will be considered open for picks off of the clock. The draft clock will start Sunday at Noon ET.

Lastly -- **MARK YOUR 9 KEEPERS AND YOUR RETAINED/CALLED UP PROSPECTS AS KEEPERS** You must go to your team page on ESPN and hit the "Select Keepers" link -- it is located both on the League Page and near the top of your team page below your team name. The deadline to do this is TONIGHT at 11:00pm.

336

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:46

Pick #3 (5-6-8-10): WG

337

Species
ID: 3222815
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:48

Thanks Guru.

Congratulations slizz. Glad your gamble paid off. Bogaerts better be worth it!! LOL

338

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 16:50

2013 Prospect Draft selection grid

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3
1	slizz	blue hen	bmd
2	allhair	mjd	blue hen
3	WG	youngroman
4	Nerf	bmd
5	mjd	Ref
6	judy	darkside
7	Guru	blue hen
8	youngroman	Jaydog
9	bmd
10	Ref
11	darkside
12	blue hen
13	Jaydog
14	Toral

339

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 18:32

Woohoo! This was good news to come home to.

I wouldn't fret too much over it as Boagerts becomes the #1 infielder once Profar is called up. After Jose Fernandez, there is a significant drop off in terms of "elite" prospects available. At least I end up with someone of comparable skill to Boagerts :)

340

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 20:46

With the Prospect Draft all sorted out, I have a possible proposal to bring up:

I would like to advocate allowing teams the choice of using additional acquired prospect picks as:

1) Like we do now....the team uses another team's prospect pick in the draft to pick anlther player; or
2) A team could use that pick as a placeholder for an additional prospect in lieu of making another draft pick.

Example. I have 2 prospects right now. Let's say I trade for 2 more during the 2013 season and have 4 prospects. If I also trade for another team's prospect pick during the season, I could use that pick to protect a 4th prospect instead of drafting another one.

- this still keeps the integrity of our "60 total prospects " rule
- perhaps increases the value of prospect picks
- may encourage more trading
- gives rebuilding teams more options

NOTE:
- goes into effect after the end of the 2013 prospect draft - no retroactive effects
- I am at a loss as to whether or not to add any stipulations for the exemption teams....this can be debated.

To me the proposal opens up options (a good thing) while still keeping the critical structure of 60 total prospects

Curious as to others' thoughts.

341

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 21:00

A better example is slizz' team. He has 3 prospects now and my 1st round pick. If he makes no trades, he will have 4 prospects come next year. In this scenario, he could acquire another team's pick and keep all 4 prospects on the prospect list.

End result is the same: he still has 4 prospects when the draft is over....but he has the option of keeping the 4 he wants instead of having to dump one and draft another.

342

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 23:55

I haven't considered this fully yet. But I note that the proposal seems to suggest that any prospect pick could be a placeholder for your fourth prospect. If you hold the 4 best prospects in the league, say, why should you be able to use somebody else's 3rd round prospect pick to hold onto the 4th best prospect in the league? I do not see the logic to this. That doesn't mean it's not there, but I don't see it yet.

Perhaps this problem would be mitigated if only a 1st round pick could be used as a placeholder. I throw that out just as an idea. I

And I assume that there is no limit to the number of prospects you can hold this way. In that case radically rebuilding teams would quickly become prospect farms, acquiring 8, 9, 10 prospects. It would be a very different kind of league than it is now.

343

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 00:03

Actually I suppose that uy the logic of the idea, the placeholder pick should be as good or better a pick than the one originally used to acquire the prospect. I do not say this would make the idea a good one, bit I suggest it is a more logical version of it.

344

R9
ID: 99272420
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 00:52

My first thought was to reject the idea, since:

1) I just went through a rebuild period when this would've been really nice to have;
and
2) The last time I voted for something that wasn't so great for me but better for the league, it hurt me further in a way I didn't anticipate.

So, the selfish side of me says that this proposal isn't any good for me at this time, so too bad. ;) The unselfish side of me hasn't voted yet though.

345

Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 10:38

Good thoughts Toral. The concept that it has to be a first rounder isn't bad. That is exactly why I like to throw things out for discussion and collaboration before putting anything to a vote.

Btw.....slizz.....you can make a prospect draft pick nlw off the clock if you wish. It is not required. ...but you have the option.....so hurry up ;-)

346

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 11:13

326: In the past we had done the lottery before the renouncement deadline.
340: Don't like this idea but appreciate the new ideas this league comes up with.

Grats Slizz, AA and WG!
Thanks Guru for the lottery help!
Thanks Species for organizing. I know how much time it takes.

347

Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 11:45

346: Ref....for what reasons?? I want to hear other opinions and have discussion. ....should help ferret out unintended consequences, loopholes, etc.

348

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 12:08

Are we starting a new thread for the prospect draft?

The pick should not be a surprise as it is going to be Jose Fernandez, SP, MIA.

So do you want me to start a thread/will there be a thread started?

349

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 12:10

The thread has been there for awhile:
Prospect draft

350

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 12:12

Sorry about that Guru...I just had the baseball forum bookmarked.

Pick is posted!

352

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 15:51

Nerf, the clock hasn't started yet- you can't skip wg

353

mjd
ID: 29021169
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 15:58

I'm holding. Prob won't pick until this PM.

354

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 16:20

Sorry didnt see the timer start. Too much stuff going on in this league at one time!

355

Species
ID: 28252918
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 19:52

344: R9 -- I believe you are missing the forest through the trees. I think this helps rebuilders AND contenders alike. Prospect picks are a renewable resource. When I was contending I treated those chips like other people's money at the poker table (might as well put it in terms you hold dear) in order to get the present value I needed at the expense of the future.

I think this could add to the value of prospect picks and prospects to create more activity and trading. Think it over!!

356

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 22:14

It's a good idea. Might be a little too complex though. I already have a hard enough time figuring out how many prospects I need to drop if I trade one of my picks.

357

WG
ID: 5228921
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 22:49

sorry guys, been flying today and was able to only check in on my phone... wasnt able to do much research on the pick until just now when i got home. sorry for the hold up... wasnt sure if it was crucial that i picked right away since the draft wasnt turning on til tomorrow

358

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 23:54

WG - no need to apologize! It is always optional when we open a draft without a clock.

I hope you didn't feel rushed and took the time you wanted to find a pick. It's an excellent pick....just hope you didn't settle out of a time issue.

359

Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Mar 09, 2013, 23:58

Starting to get our stuff together for the Supplemental Draft. I THINK I've entered in all of the trades in Draftime. Hopefully tomorrow I can enter the keepers and prospects.

I always eff up the mechanics of the player pool/offline draft stuff....I'm enlisting (pleading) for the help of another Commish to help.

Speaking of effing up....a couple of managers neglected to accurately mark a prospect or callup or two. Otherwise the player pool is 99% set, so if you want to go to ESPN to start looking through the free agents, you can get some idea of what's out there.

360

WG
ID: 5228921
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 01:49

No rush...was able to get on a computer and do some research... was torn between Baez and Taillon but read enough good things about Baez that I went with him.

361

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 11:48

Ok......the clock for the Prospect Draft starts in 13 minutes. I just sent out a leaguewide email so everyone should be aware. Good luck.

362

mjd
ID: 29021169
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 12:45

No sense emailing Judy, I believe she's in the air, but somebody should be holding her queue.

363

Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 14:22

Lol.....love the total homer picks by judy and bmd.

364

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 14:31

1st year pro ball: 21 ip 40ks 4 bb
Spring training: 9.2 13 k 1 bb

Might be a homer but I doubt there's a pitcher left that has near those ratios.

365

mjd
ID: 29021169
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:28

Is my 28.02 pick within the prospect rules?

366

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:30

Mjd- yes, by my interpretation.

367

Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:44

364: There isn't a pitcher AT ALL - save for Bundy in Low-A - who had sick numbers like that! I guess the comment was more one of.. I bet you could have waited.

365: Absolutely legal. Wondered if someone would take him. A little concerned about whether his success was because of the new NPB baseball. We'll see!

Excellent pick by Toral.

We are moving along great. Excellent job everyone.

369

mjd
ID: 29021169
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 17:54

Thanks. we'll see about him, just like any prospect.

370

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 18:14

Jealous of Ref...would've selected Puig at 1.02 if I lost out on Jose Fernandez.

371

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 20:13

Species, possibly but I feel like he was best available left especially after his spring. I wanted Hanson as well so it worked out pretty good.

372

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 20:15

I know I'm up. Just working through some options and will pick shortly.

373

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 21:41

363: and you are at all surprised!!!???

374

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 23:17

And that's a wrap. Welcome Rondon, Capps, Dahl, and Rosenthal to the team. Very happy with this team now. As I said before, this is a deep draft, and it was good to have 4 picks. More pitching than hitting available, and my picks reflected that. The three pitchers are all pretty close to ready, and Dahl should have a steady rise up the charts.

Other great picks: Jackie Bradley, Yasiel Puig, Jorge Soler, and of course, Mr. Fujikawa.

Looking forward to the real draft.

375

R9
ID: 99272420
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 23:44

For bmd, being a homer in the prospect draft is probably a great idea. Its amazing how many and how fast St. Louis has been developing good arms these past few years. Some great scouting and coaching going on in that organization.

I'm just happy I have one of their great young arms as part of my team. They feel like Atlanta of 2009, and my only two 2013 pitching keepers came out of that great young gang.

376

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 23:48

It's ok...you can say Ref had the best draft :)

I'm happy to welcome Jose Fernandez to the roster. He now joins the young, talented, core of Anthony Rendon, Bubba Starling, and Carlos Correa.

My squad is dramatically different from last season at this time. That said, hopefully pd & I made the right bets on two or three of our questionable keepers (Ackley, Ruf, Frazier, Gordon)...should they pan out we will be looking great in 2014. The foundation was laid with the Maybin trade...now it's time to see some progress.

377

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 00:45

Thanks R9. I picked Matt Adams so Species can definitely call me a homer now. He was a slight hedge since I have Allen Craig. If Craig stays healthy then it's likely Adams will be used as trading bait and likely land in a place where he'll be given a good opportunity.

Really enjoyed the draft being held at this time. We aren't blindly throwing darts with recent draftees like in July. Plus, there are a couple of guys like, Rondon and Wily Peralta(who I was surprised wasn't drafted), that could contribute immediately. Definitely a little more of a juggling act especially if you plan on competing this year.

Just for clarification, did we ever decide what happens to draftees in this June's draft? Are they off limits until next prospect draft? I vaguely remember discussing that they could be picked up during the season but could not be kept. I looked over the rules but didn't see anything.

378

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 09:58

377: June draftees are open season. With the new timing of the Prospect Draft, it forces a team to keep that player in their 9. I believe the discussion basically felt that was a steep enough price.

380

jaydog
ID: 312451110
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 11:53

Just so I'm clear, you cannot draft a player in the suplimental draft (or call them up mid season) and the put them in one of your prospect slots. The only way that a player can be placed in a prospect slot, is if they are initially drafted in the prospect draft.

Assuming then, if someone does pick up a prospect eligible player, and then drops them back in the player pool, they are able to be selected in future prospect drafts.

381

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:14

380: First....yes....the only way a player can be in a Prospect list slot is to have been drafted and continually retained on the prospect list.

We do have call up/send down provisions that allow prospects to be called up to the roster and later - if they still meet limits - sent back down to the Prospect List while retaining eligibility. Strasburg is a prime example. Called up, he pitched some number of innings before needing Tommy John surgery. Since he was under our limits, he was legally sent down and retained on the prospect list over the year he was rehabbing.

Having been owned on someone's major league roster does not have any effect on Prospect Draft eligibility. If they are not on a roster at the time of the draft, and they meet limits, they are eligible to be drafted to the Prospect List.

Players may be drafted, dropped and redrafted onto the Prospect List as often as teams want, so long as they maintain eligibility. We just had this happen when Aaron Hicks was drafted after being previously dropped from the Prospect List.

382

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 12:54

That was my dilemma with Darin Ruf.

I opted to keep him as part of my 9 because he qualified as a prospect. Had I not kept him, I am 100% confident he would have been taken in this weekends draft.

Hopefully he gets some PT otherwise it will have been a wasted slot.

383

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:31

What!?!? So it's first come serve on those guys? I don't know how Espn adds new draftees but iirc yahoo would randomly just add them to their db.

If we allow teams to keep new draftees then the elite studs(Harper, strasburg, etc) will never hit the prospect draft. I'd propose we add a rule that new draftees can be picked up but they CANNOT be kept.

384

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:54

I checked last years thread, didn't see much discussion on it. Last years thread was a mess so very possible I missed it.

Hopefully others will chime in. I definitely feel like this should be added to the rules.

385

GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 13:57

Seems like those in the MLB Draft should have to go through the prospect draft at least once. I'd be cool with that.

Was the thought that if you add the guy you are required to keep him? You still might have rebuilders picking all the guys worth owning before we hit the offseason.

386

mjd
ID: 29021169
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 14:30

We really don't need yet another hoarding loophole.

But if a player drafted in the rule 4 draft gets called up to the bigs the same year, he should be free game.

387

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 14:41

BMD - If you're referring to Ruf...everybody had their shot at the guy for multiple seasons...he's 26 years old! It just so happened he blasted 38 home runs in AA last season. Can he hit MLB pitching? Who knows? I hope so.

Same thing with Oscar Taveras. If you didn't keep him, there is no doubt he would've been taken in the first 3 picks of the p-draft.

With respect to players drafted in the MLB draft, I'd support a rule (like the one proposed by GO).

I assume international players are fair game though?

388

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 14:41

The main keeper deadline was placed -- necessarily -- before the prospect draft so that picking up a prospect is of no use unless you intend to keep him on your main roster.

389

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 14:52

Slizz, I'm not referring to anyone since this is the 1st year where our draft won't take place in July. In past years, draftees were off limits until the prospect draft in July.

IMO, it goes against the idea of a "prospect" draft if the elite prospects never get a chance to be drafted in it.

390

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:03

ESPN policy is not to add players to the pool until they have played in one MLB game or during the offseason. They made a mistake with Strasburg and it won't happen again. So you won't have a chance to pick up draftees until the next year's p-draft, unless they go David Clyde on us. We can also make a specific G20 rule, but it won't be needed.

391

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:23

390: Nice. Does that cover it for people? As bh said....we could choose to make it a legue rule as well, which I would be in favor of.

392

GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 15:37

Wouldn't hurt to write the rule in just so its in writing, but looks like ESPN will help regulate it.

393

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 16:46

You should write it in, because you might, in the future, change game sites.

394

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 18:26

...

395

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 21:05

#382: re: Ruf
You got that right. He woulda been my #1.

396

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 21:07

When does our regular draft begin? Too lazy to scroll through and look it up...

397

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 21:41

Judy, from an e-mail:

Supplemental draft turned on Wednesday March 13th

Supplemental draft clock starts Friday March 15th

398

R9
ID: 99272420
Mon, Mar 11, 2013, 22:03

I'd be fine with something like:

"Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft may not be kept following the season."

This allows callups, stashes, whatever... and still ensures every draftee goes through the prospect draft. It also requires no maintenance. If some dummy wants to pick up the top 6 picks it doesn't change anything, since he can't keep any of them...

399

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 09:58

Ruf was in the majors last year, right?

400

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 09:59

I think that's a solid rule idea, just to get something in writing.

401

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 10:44

I am supportive of the amendment in 398. We should put it to a vote. I am going to push the other proposals as well for resolution.

402

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 10:47

Please Vote
"Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft may not be kept following the season."
In Favor - GO, R9, Species
Against -

403

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 10:55

Blue Hen is in favor

404

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 11:12

in favor of [398]

405

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 11:19

Yes

406

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 11:33

A couple of issues,

Mark Appel was drafted by me in last year's P draft. He didn't sign, choosing to return to Stanford, but I kept him as a prospect. As a probable draft 4 pick this year. I assume he'll be an exception to this rule.

What if a draft 4 player is called up to the major league team-even as a September callup? Another exemption if picked up when he's called up and kept the following season?

407

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 11:41

I think he'd be grandfathered in due to the situation. But that should be avoided going forward due to the new timing of the prospect draft.

If a guy gets called up (and therefore gets added to the ESPN database) then I would think he's fair game to all. So do we tweak that language to let those guys be kept?

408

jaydog
ID: 312451110
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 12:04

I'm in favor

409

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 12:39

I don't care one way or the other about 407, as long as we state it in the rules.

410

R9
ID: 99272420
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 12:54

407, we could, but I think its better that they not be kept. So you can use said player for that season because he's an MLB player, but he then still goes through the p-draft process.

406, this really only affects new Rule 4 players as one of your 9 keepers. You drafted Appel as a prospect, and he's still a prospect. Thats fine (in fact is the entire idea) imo. We want to make sure every new young player had a chance to be drafted in the p-draft, only to prevent someone from getting lucky because they signed in just when ESPN added them, or got lucky that they had #1 waiver priority when ESPN randomly added random top 10 Joe Prospect on August 24th for no real reason.
We all had a shot at Appel in the same p-draft you took him in.

411

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 12:58

What about future situations like Appel with the MLB Draft... what if they are drafted and don't sign? Does that count as going in the draft and being prospect eligible? or do we have to wait for them to actually sign a contract? That may have to be added to the wording.

412

R9
ID: 99272420
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 13:08

I'm not 100% sure how it is now, but I think the idea is that anyone who doesn't exceed the prospect threshold can be drafted in the p-draft. Its being one of 9 keepers that we want limits on, soley to protect against unfair WW pilfering of really top young talent.

When Appel gets drafted in the Rule 4 this summer, it would be pretty bad for someone to just pick him up and keep him in their top 9 when ESPN adds him. But... the fact that he's on a prospect roster seems completely ok to me. We all could've taken him, we all had a fair shot to add him to our PROSPECT roster. Its adding him directly to our 9 keepers immediately after he's added in ESPN that seems abusable.

Now, if we want to make it that only players that have been Rule 4 drafted are also PROSPECT draft eligible... that actually seems like a different rule. I'm not sure its needed.

413

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 13:39

Re: 395 - not surprising :) he is either gonna be good and kept or a bust and not kept. Perfect prospect because he will likely get every shot to play this season. You'll know if you need to renounce him after one year.

Re: 399 - yes. September call up. Did quite well in limited at bats.

Re: 402 - "Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft may not be kept following the season."

In Favor - GO, R9, Species, Slizz
Against -

414

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 13:50

Remember though, ESPN will not add to the database unless they make their debut. So no worries about being poached unless they actually get the super quick callup.

415

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 13:54

I am OK with the rule proposal.

416

Species
ID: 29291217
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 18:09

THANK YOU to whatever Commissioner got the prospects off of everyone's roster. I have adjusted the league roster settings back to our original settings and have "entered" the draft results in ESPN .... which basically means keepers have run and all of the players available to be drafted show as Free Agents in ESPN.

NOTE 1: Prospects will remain showing as Free Agents....but they are not available and will not show as available in Draftime. Sorry for any confusion....each league member must keep the prospect list in mind when searching via ESPN. Again, they will not be available in Draftime.

NOTE 2: Managers, please pick up your own prospect call ups. Myers for me, Segura, Skaggs, etc.

I am working on entering keepers and prospects into Draftime.

As usual, as you draft a player in the Supplemental Draft, please pick up that player yourself in ESPN and add them to your roster. Commishes might be able to help, but I can't access Commish tools from my phone, so I am mostly out of pocket to help.

Please post any questions. Depending upon how successful I am at entering keepers and prospects into Draftime, we can open the draft without a clock sometime tomorrow...might be Noon Pacific-ish....or evening Pacific time if I can't finish it tonight.

417

Species
ID: 29291217
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 18:19

Updated prospect list:

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 24.05 Zach Wheeler,P,NYM; 27.02 Kyuji Fujikawa, RP, CHC
bmd: 27.09 Michael Wacha, SP, StL; 28.04 Alen Henson, SS, PIT; 29.01 Matt Adams, 1b, StL
Blue Hen: 27.12 Bruce Rondon, RP, DET; 28.01 Carter Capps, RP, SEA; 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 29.02 Trevor Rosenthal, P, StL
Darkside: 26.01 Adam Eaton,OF,ARI; 27.11 Hyun-Jim Ryu, SP, LAD 28.06 Aaron Hicks, OF, MIN
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 24.08. Christian Yelich,1B,MIA; 25.04 Kevin Gausman,P,BAL
Great One: 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,STL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX;
Guru: 24.07 George Springer,OF,HOU; 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; Gary Sanchez, C, NYY
Jaydog: 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN; 27.13 Jedd Gyorko, 2b, SD; 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.02 Archie Bradley,P,AZ; 27.06 Cody Asche, 3b, PHI
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; Jorge Soler, OF, CHC; Masahiro Tanaka, SP, JAP
Nerfherders: 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL; 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PHIT
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,HOU
Ref: 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,CLE; Yasiel Puig, OF, LAD; 28.05 Jackie Bradley, Jr, OF, BOS
R9: 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR(1); 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA; 25.09 Kolten Wong,2B,STL; 26.02 Tyler Thornburg,SP,MIL
Slizz: 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3b,WAS; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 27.01 Jose Fernandez, SP, MIA
Species: 24.11 Xander Bogaerts,SS,BOS 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Toral: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,SDG; 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,TB; 27.14 Delino DeShields Jr, 2b, HOU
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal (1); 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 24.13 Mike Zunino C,SEA; 24.16 Nick Castellanos,3B,DET
wg: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,OAK; 27.03 Javier Baez, SS, CHC;
youngroman: 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC; 27.08 Chris Archer, SP, TB; 28.03 Noah Snydergaard, SP, NYM

418

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 18:21

mjd: As long as you keep that prospect on your team, he is yours until he is no longer eligible or you cut him.

Rule 4 draft is the amateur draft. Let's make sure everyone is clear about that. It's the draft that happens n July.

Remember, Cubans and Japanese players, etc. are eligible to be drafted but wouldn't be in the Amateur draft. The Japanese players seem to be singed in offseason but not so for the Cubans and other countries who are not required to go through the amateur draft. Also, when the rosters expand to 40 on Sept 1, many guys will enter the database, but it would seem rare that someone just drafted would be called up so fast. I don't have a problem with the proposal in 398, but foresee something arising that would cause us to want to amend that at some point.

419

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 20:42

In favor.

Would prefer that no rule 4 players can be kept even if they are called up. Don't think whoever has top waiver priority should get the chance to grab an elite prospect even if its a longshot to ever happen.

420

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 21:08

Two of my prospects are not in the ESPN db. Nor should they be.

Appel is still in college and Tanaka still plays in Japan. I won't be able to pick up Solar until he and all other players clear wavers tomorrow.

421

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 21:22

And I'm also in favor given they're free of loopholes or unintended circumstances.

422

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 21:44

I also prefer a "NO Rule 4 Draftee may be kept" stipulation. Easier to manage. Undeniable.

In regards to July draftees that do not sign, the Appel exception will be all that's needed. By the time a July draftee refuses to sign (August 15th, I believe), he would no longer be eligible under our prospect rules to be drafted in a March draft, which requires that - outside of Cubans and Japanese players - an eligible player must be in a major league team's farm system.

423

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 22:31

I'm good with the Rule 4 proposal.

424

darkside
ID: 1425647
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 22:33

I'm in favor of the rule 4 proposal

425

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 23:19

Sure, why not. It makes sense...

426

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 23:37

DO NOT PICK UP YOUR PROSPECTS IN ESPN.

I am going to force through the called up prospects through waivers myself. I think I have it as:

Jaydog - Harvey
Me - Myers
yr - Segura, Teheran
slizz - Skaggs
nerf - Turner

Did I miss any??

Re: Draftime and prospects -- Draftime has a handy feature to remove players from the draft instead of putting them on rosters as callups. Much easier to manager while setting up. SO.....you should have your 9 keepers and any callups (above) in Draftime....and hopefully, if I have done it right, all of the prospects who are in the Draftime database should be removed from consideration for our draft. But I might have missed one....or Draftime can add one subsequently.

Ultimately it is the drafting manager's responsibility to not draft someone else's prospect. If you make an illegal pick, the draft moves on and you can correct it at any time.

The draft will be opened tomorrow without a clock. Managers are encouraged to draft, but no one is under ANY obligation to make a pick before Friday.

427

R9
ID: 99272420
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 23:39

If it gets to me at 5th tomorrow, I probably won't be picking until Thursday at the earliest. I'm still prepping my draft sheet.
Just an FYI.

428

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 12, 2013, 23:45

The Rule 4 proposal passes. Suggested verbiage:

"Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft may not be kept as a keeper in the season following their being drafted into MLB.

Exception: Mark Appel was legally drafted under previous rules but re-entered college. He may be kept for the 2014 season following his likely drafting in the 2013 Rule 4 draft."

Wordsmithing welcomed.

429

darkside
ID: 4271014
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 01:03

Is there an easy way to download to a spreadsheet the free agents? I'm not seeing anything, but only looked for about 5 minutes.

430

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 08:53

Mostly for convenience and access, I have started the draft in Draftime. No clock.

Please use this time to verify the accuracy of the keepers and the draft order. I tried to do it carefully but have to run back out so I do not have the time to audit everything at this time.

R9 isn't picking until tomorrow......everyone take your time......get ready......and again please audit your own picks and keepers for accuracy.

Thanks.

431

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 09:22

Wording should do the job.

432

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 10:11

Added that language to the Constitution.....which I have posted in the Standings Forum in our Constitution thread for posterity. For a cleaner league page, I have whittled down the league post to prospects and trades.

Teams please feel free to use waiver claims to pick up your drafted players. I will reset the waiver order afterwards.

That begs a question....can someone remind me of our initial waiver order policy? Inverse of the draft? Or do we double-penalize the winners and put their asses last in waivers too?

433

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 11:07

That was fast - I was planning to get Jose Altuve back at 1.03, but alas. Surprised none of you were giving much to trade for him.

434

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 13:31

Just got up...will be picking shortly.

435

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 13:41

Yeah that worked out pretty well for me. My thought going into the draft was get:

1. An MI with speed

2. Young

3. Not a one-trick pony.

Altuve is all of that. When I saw he was not kept, I knew that was my guy. Rollins would have been my backup plan - slightly better but not young.

436

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 14:42

Altuve was #1 on a lot of our boards for that reason. I didn't think allhair allstars was going to take him either due to Dustin Pedroia...

Since you didn't have a closer I thought maybe a guy like Perkins was an option for you...but it was definitely the right move.

Was surprised to see allhair go with Rollins at #1. Not to say that Rollins was the wrong pick b/c A) he's talented and fills the stat sheet; and B) he filled a massive need (SS)...but I figured picking #1 he'd want a guy to be a surefire keeper the following season.

437

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 16:44

Re: Altuve - Things are looking up for the Houston Astros! One of their players was finally added to a Gurupie20 roster (other than three prospects).

Could be a long season in South Texas. Go Astros!

438

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 19:40

I'm still in full rebuilding mode so for me it doesnt really pay to take a closer in the first round. I probably would have if I thought I had a chance to win this year, because they bring the biggest bang for the buck - 20 saves is something like 5 points in this league. However, closers are fickle, so while I didnt mind paying a 5th round pick for one, a first rounder was tough. I just have so many more needs to address just to get my team into the 9th-10th range. Then I can go for the closers in the sup draft.

439

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 20:04

Slizz, not inspired, eh? ;) First pick - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

440

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 20:37

No pick is a sure fire keeper. If they were wouldnt they have been kept?

441

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 13, 2013, 22:55

Species, I am not sure you need to have an exception with the rule because he is already on his prospect list. Same for the Japanese guy. I remember GL having the Japanese guy for a long itme before he finally came over.

I heard that the "experts" are saying that Houston moving to the AL, will cost every team in the NL Central 3 wins this year. They are saying that Houston will be one of the worst teams in recent memory.

442

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 00:13

Altuve is the Miguel Dilone of his generation.

443

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 00:14

What time does the clock start on Friday?

444

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 08:59

443: Noon-ish ET. I have appointments Friday morning....not sure precisely when I will get to it.

445

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 11:12

**OPPORTUNITY SALE at team Species**

Notice this doesn't say fire sale.....I will not give players away. However, if a deal fits my 2015 goals I will certainly pull the trigger. I have players that are very valuable for 2013....some for some years beyond that.

My rough needs and trade goals (as of this moment - always subject to change) include:

- An ace young SP to pair with Felix
- Stud 1b
- High 2015 picks
- Prospect picks
- Billy Hamilton and Oscar Taveras :p

Available players include:

Mariano Rivera: That wasn't an arm injury. Mo is back and as deadly as ever. Yes, he is good for only 1 year. Fine. But instead of trading for one of these flimsy, out-of-a-job-any-day closers, contenders should get their checkbooks out to get a guaranteed stud who will not lose his job. Trade offers should include a 2015 1st round pick.

CC Sabathia: CC has several more years of top tier production left, so he is no rental. The Yankees might be down this year but they won't stay down for long.

Curtis Granderson: He will be back in May....so when you find yourself short on power in mid-May, he's the perfect trade target.

Mark Teixeira: Also back in May. Not the OBP hound he once was, but over a full season is a lock for 30/100.

Ian Desmond: This is more a question of availability due to my 2 top SS prospects instead of him not being a long term keeper. 27 year old shortstops hitting 6th in the best lineup in the NL do not grow on trees.....particularly when they are 20 HR/20 SB stat hogs.

2013 picks: Any team wishing to trade up in 2013 need only offer a round or two in 2015 in exchange. Like in the NFL, when you trade for a 3rd this year, you often have to pony up a 2nd the following year. Same concept....time value of money and stuff. If you wanted my 4th, it would be at least a 3rd in 2015....but since it's 2 years, depending on where the picks are, I might as for 2 rounds.

Always open to anyone for the right price....but these are the guys that fill a lot of needs for contending teams. Inquire within!

446

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 11:58

Allhair - it wasn't meant as a shot. I just was surprised considering you had David Ortiz. That's not to say you won't get a keeper later. Blue Hen got Rizzo in the 4th last year and I think Trumbo went in the 5th...

Rollins is one of the best SS in the game, he's just getting up there in age.

Species - Something tells me bmd isn't giving up Taveras...lol

447

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 13:33

If taveras is included in a deal please call the cops because I'm in danger..

448

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:15

Motion for next year to have the clock start earlier; this "draft has started but not the clock" isn't really fair. If a closer gets named today and R9 takes him, that's going to be bad for the rest of us.

449

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:29

448: Well, that has been the norm. It allows for teams to review the accuracy of the draft grid....formulate strategies....consider trades, etc.

You had the opportunity to wait in case a new closer was named. What is the difference?

I suppose we can make sure to shorten the off-the-clock time to 1 day as a matter of practice.....but I for one like some time to correct errors in the draft grid and the player pool.

Re: bmd. I can see it now. Cops: "Mr mike d....they have your wife. Need $10, 000 and Oscar Taveras in your G20 league" hahahahaha

451

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 14:51

Well bh now has until tomorrow to see if a new closer is named.

452

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 15:00

Nice visual in post 450. Especially if you've met BMD.

I'd be in favor of the one-day switch. Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion, just get eager.

And now it looks like I have three closers, so I think that's that.

453

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 15:59

Judy: Confused. You had absolutely no interest in any of my players and then take Kendrys at 1.07. Guess you had some interest afterall! ;)

454

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 16:07

...and now we're moving!

455

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 17:50

453:: just did not want to give up what I had for what you had...

456

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 18:16

**PLEASE REMEMBER TO PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN**

BH....sorry....I was testing pickups on my phone and picked up Grilli. Will fix that later!!

457

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 18:20

Haha. No matter - I'll trade him eventually anyway.

458

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 20:57

Is the clock going to run on the weekend?

459

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 53221420
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:03

Hey guys. I'm sorry for not checking in - I have too much going on to dedicate the necessary time to this league, but don't really have an excuse for not at least informing you. (I haven't even checked my personal email for probably two months, so maybe you can take some solace in the fact you weren't the only ones I blew off...) Best of luck to whomever got my team, and thanks for all the competition these past 10+ years.

460

BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:06

Slizz as my witness- I called R9 taking League and Jansen back to back. Not a move I would have done, but certainly an interesting risk.

462

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:31

That you did!

He also created a top tier starter in the aggregate...that combo should be good for 130 ip / 50 saves / 7 wins / 140 k and a decent ERA and WHIP.

463

darkside
ID: 1425647
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:51

I'm also curious about whether the clock runs on the weekend. I feel like there have been years it didn't but can't remember. If it matters, I'd definitely prefer a pause.

464

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Mar 14, 2013, 21:59

I'm for the pause on the weekend...

465

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 00:04

No pause.....other than the overnight pause.

466

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 03:46

Can't add Gardner for some reason(maybe a sign?). Will try to in the morning.

467

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 07:39

How 'bout a rule that if a guy leaves a draftee sitting there not picked up for 2 days he's free game? Can we get this into effect by 9:59 AM?

468

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 10:03

I am getting errors trying to use Commish powers on ESPN. I also can't send out a league-wide email to remind teams to pick up their players and that the clock is starting.

GET OFF YOUR DUFFS AND PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN!!

I will start the clock at draft time as soon as I am able after Noon ET today. I could do it now but that's not right since I said Noon. It will be more like 1:00 ET.

469

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 11:31

Jed Gyorko is available for someone looking for a young 2B. Just got word that he will likely start the season as the starting 2B for the Padres and projects to hit about as well, if not better than anyone currently available.

Would consider dealing him for an upcoming pick and/or player considerations (still could use some SS or OF help).

470

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:00

Bh, counting on a bounce back year from Hanson?

471

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:14

Hanson is a great pick.

472

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:14

Hanson is a nice high upside pick. In that park....with that outfield defense....and with that offense, why not??

473

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:18

Hanson was a great pick. Hanson re tooled his entire mechanics as his old way was conducive to injury. Did it cost him in the short term? Yes.

Will he be better in the long run?

Health wise...yes.

Pitching wise...I'd venture on yes.

His pitching floor is what we saw last season, plus he had an entire offseason healthy, for once. Based on that, I like a bounce back year Tommy H.

He is projected to have 3.3 WAR and at the very least will get bh W and one of the leagues better K/9 with the chance that he returns to his old form.

474

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:19

*Last offseason he retooled his mechanics so he'd make it through a full season.

475

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 14:41

Appreciate the comments on Hanson, and yes, I am banking on a comeback year. I was also considering Logan Morrison, but saw it this way:

LoMo is a more likely 2014 G20 keeper than Hanson. Hanson is more likely to win the 2013 AL Cy Young than LoMo is to win the 2013 NL MVP. It's a lotto ticket, and one I have the luxury to afford.

Also, I need pitching. Always need pitching.

476

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 15:51

Judy, I was hoping to get Lucroy back this year.

477

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 16:21

No such luck Toral. I am not sure I trust McCann to stay healthy and Lucroy did well until he got hurt. Thought bh might grab him as he does not have a C yet...

478

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 16:32

Catchers are like kickers to me.

480

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 18:56

Trade Announcement:

Jaydog trades:
10.19
12.19
Jedd Gyorko

to

Dave Lipman for:
3.18
4.18

481

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 18:57

Dave who? I think Jaydog means "Blue Hen."

Confirmed.

482

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 19:32

I just got home and thus far every pick I went to make has already been picked. PLEASE PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

483

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 19:38

480: a contender trade! Bold. I dig it. I have been able to add this trade inDraftime. No access to adjust the Espn page to reflect the change of the prospect.

I like jaydog as selling high on this one. It's still not completely confirmed that Gyorko has the job.....and IMO his value was buoyed by gaudy stats in the hitter-friendly PCL. Good value for Jaydog....and bh can afford it with his trove of picks.

484

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 19:48

Is our clock really going to run overnight? Man, that's hard core. I like it.

485

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 20:44

484: Weird.....Draftime must have deleted the overnight clock when I set the per pick clock. I have fixed that and have set an overnight clock pause of 11:00pm - 8:00am ET daily.

486

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 20:47

Toral was preparing his stock of caffeinated tea and CS Lewis books for a 24 hour draft clock marathon...

:)

487

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 21:46

478. Didn't know you knew about football...

488

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 22:41

[484] Species - the draft pause was still not set. I think you neglected to hit the button on the second (confirmation) page. I made the same mistake once last year - with nasty results.

In any event, I just added the pause for real this time.

489

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 22:51

THANK YOU!!

490

BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Mar 15, 2013, 23:00

Thank you both for your hard work.

491

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 00:14

blue hen and nerfherders......PLEASE pick up your players in ESPN going forward.

492

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 00:37

Trade announcement:

Jaydog receives:
Mariano Rivera
Ian Desmond
Species' 2015 11th round pick
Speices' 2015 12th round pick

Species receives:
Prospect Miguel Sano
Jaydog's 2014 1st round Prospect Pick
Jaydog's 2015 1st round pick
Jaydog's 2015 5th round pick

493

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 00:45

Wow. Talk about win now. Nice trade, although I didn't think Species was going to get nearly that much.

494

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 00:49

I wonder if jaydog realizes he is up in ribc too...

495

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 06:01

Wow. jaydog is definitely all in...if he gets a championship it will all be worth it.

As for another contender...don't overlook R9! Quietly, he has built a complete squad to compete with the big dogs.

Before the Dom Brown reach gets criticized...remember, I don't have a 4th and didn't want to risk not getting him. That said, there were 3 other options I was considering. However, google searches for positive press tilted heavily in Brown's favor versus the rest. At one point, Brown was the #1 prospect in baseball...I'm hoping he has figured it enough to warrant a 2014 keeper spot now that he will have a full time gig.

496

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 06:04

figured it out*

497

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 10:30

Guru that is a nice pick at 3.10. Considered him with my pick in the 2nd. Judy I thought Hudson would fall farther because of his age, but like that pick as well. He is always so undervalued. Some other nice picks as well. This is such a smart league. definitely not easy at all. I love that.

498

BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 10:52

Ditto. I also almost took Cahill at 2.18 and was definitely going to take him at 4.01

499

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 11:48

Yes... definitely going all in. Finishing in 2nd last year left a bad taste in my mouth. Tough to part with Sano, as he could have possibly slid into my 3B slot when Aramis Ramirez is done being productive, but he's realistically a few years away and I had a big hole at SS that Desmond helps me fill now. I wish Desmond would learn to take a walk, but even if he doesn't, he'll help me across 4 of the 5 offensive categories, and is young enough that we may not have seen his ceiling yet.

Still willing to trade to improve my team this year if anyone's interested. I'm pretty set on my lineup but am always looking to improve or possibly trade a little power for speed. Could also look to move Matt Harvey, for someone looking for a young arm that could be a keeper for years to come. I expect Harvey to be solid, if not great this year, and could also look to trade him after the season, but if anyone is interested in him, make me an offer.

Should be a fun season!

500

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 12:14

I like Gyorko and would have taken him in P draft. If he can get 2B bats, I think he will be a nice value, but once Uggla fell to me, i was set there. I think Uggla is way undervalued. I thought he was keeper material, I just had too many keepers I had to part with to be able to get him.

I like Rivera. I like old guys so that shouldn't surprise anyone. Still, I felt Species got more out of that deal than I figured he could--esp netting Sano at the same time. Species must be on cloud 9 since he wasn't competing for this year. Incredible deal for him. Jay is getting nice saves and like he said some help with Ian. Sometimes you have to overpay to get what you want--but prob. didn't need to here. Just My opinion. As long as they are both happy--it really is none of anyone else's business but still fun to analyze!

501

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 14:10

Desmond >> rivera. Not sure why people are calling it the "Rivera" deal. Trade looks good, especially when you consider the 1st rounders will be at the tail end of the draft.

It's weird having 6-7 really good keepers and still not being close to one of the favorites. I feel like I'm middling but just can't blow up my team or completely sacrifice my future. Hopefully my team defines itself ASAP so I can decide if I'm a buyer or seller.

502

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 16:12

R9 lucked out after missing his pick.

Seems like he's taking the Ref approach (Vets that get it done) to the draft...Jeter, LaRoche, Burnett, Vogelsong, etc.

504

R9
ID: 99272420
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 17:34

Ref and I have always seen eye-to-eye when it comes to vets, he's always the manager who would take the old guys I was targeting.

The last couple of years I was rebuilding so my drafts were different, but I expect we'll be stealing each other's picks for years to come again now... ;)

505

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 18:08

Dom Brown is a great pick. I think he is gonna break out this year.

506

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 19:58

Dang you R9! Just Dang you! That was my one person queue. I was confident he would make it to me. I knew Cahill wouldn't when I was mulling my last pick but I figured Burnett would. That's why I went closer because I knew he wouldn't be there. I just got home. Give me a few while I go see who is left that fits my team and what position. Ugh.

507

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 20:12

judy: We didn't think we'd sneak him by you much longer!

508

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 20:29

It's a strategy that works. Most of us become so consumed with finding a gem in the s draft that we pass on a stable, predictable, player whereas Ref gobbles those types of players up...and now,R9.

Judy - I didn't want to chance you, or anybody, taking him in the fourth when I didn't have a pick.

I am satisfied with how my team is shaping up. While I am lean in a couple areas...it was expected due to the fact I have 0 keepers from last year. I intend to go through some growing pains, but finally have the farm system and foundation for a brighter future!

509

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 20:30

Correction, our*

510

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Mar 16, 2013, 20:35

Right off the top of my queue, Ref.

511

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 01:27

Note: pick 4.11 should be mine; it is currently with R9. Please make the change in Draftime.

512

Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:27

511: noted and fixed. 4th for an 11th and a prospect pick last year.

Sorry I missed it.

513

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 11:49

Thanks Species, you still have a better batting average in getting picks right than Mike Trout.

514

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 13:35

Sweet. Now that I can officially welcome Everth Cabrera into the fold, Elvis Andrus is officially on the block. Looking to address a bunch of needs here, most specifically a power hitting third baseman. Let me know.

515

BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 18:48

Nice one Toral. Almost took Marmol when I took Everth. He's ugly but was surprised he was still around.

516

WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Mar 17, 2013, 21:44

Sorry for the delay... had to go to a baptism (not mine)

517

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 04:58

Was a little disappointed to see Dillon Gee go!

Thought I could nab him later as he is rated lower than he should be by the various fantasy publications out there...

518

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 12:17

My Juan Pierre pick at 3.19 has to be the clubhouse leader for worst overdraft. I really wish I wasn't desperate for steals. I'd have been much happier with Ethier, Ludwick, but oh well!

519

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 12:23

I'd say it's inherently not an overdraft if you're filling a specific need.

520

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 12:43

{519} Agreed. Drafting in this league is so much more different than any other league.

There are still drafted players not picked up yet. Makes it tough to compile a queue.

521

Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 12:52

Very much agree... its just funny to look at Pierre going high, and me being the sucker that took him.

I was between Pierre and Ichiro with that pick given my need for speed and went w/ Pierre due to his age, historical durability, generally good OBP, and the fact that there should be plenty of AB's for him at the top of the Marlins lineup. Certainly some burners I left on the table with much more upside, but all of them have some barriers in their way for AB's.

522

GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 12:58

Thats approx the 250th player, so I don't think thats really that high.

523

GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 13:01

I have been saying to Phillies fans that Revere is what they got for free from Pierre last year. But I still think that Revere vs. paying Bourn was a very smart move.

524

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 13:46

521: Good analysis Jay. I took Ichiro for similar reasons--but I like Ichiro better than Juan. Sure Juan should get you even more of those steals you need, but Ichiro batting 2nd in the Yankees lineup should get those other numbers up to a point where they really help. Also, his obp isn't what Juan's is. But if you look at his numbers, they are about what my SS Escobar should do and Escobar is a keeper and one of the top listed SSs. I am not saying that Juan or Ichiro are going to be great, but I think they are still acceptable picks for what they give you in this league and can really help.

525

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 14:03

Pierre has always been productive when given the AB's. And he'll get plenty of ABs in Miami and probably 45-50 stolen bases.

526

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 14:11

I think what Jay is saying is that he reached. I don't mind reaching once in awhile--some will say Masterson was a reach--but I think what gets you is when you could have waited a round and still got him on the next pick. Pierre may have still been there. Still, a bird in the hand. If that plaeyr is perfect for you and there really are no alternatives--pull the trigger.

527

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 15:05

Jaydog - it gets you some coveted sb...that's never a bad thing

I totally agree with GO with respect to Revere. You get the same thing from him at approximately 12 million less a year.

528

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 20:14

If I have to pick up any more of blue hen's players I am going to start invalidating his picks!! Grrrr

I am out of pocket during the week until late at night guys. Please please pick up your players.

If other Commishes have time to help...it would be appreciated. I took enough lunches at the library to get thjs league this far!!!

529

BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:08

Thanks Species. I've been trying, but I've been on the go a lot. I owe ya one.

530

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:25

Bh, not an expert but Espn app lets you add players.

531

BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Mar 18, 2013, 22:49

Likely story.

532

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 09:07

Phew... very stressful draft position with Toral sandwiched in between. Got both guys I wanted, now just have to hope that Bonafacio gets enough starts to make it worthwhile (regaining some IF eligibility would be a huge plus too).

533

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 09:44

jaydog, your team is insane. Having a lot more players than most of us helps too. My guess is that Bona will get 2B but read that the plans were for him not to be every day player but that could change. If he does get regular time, that could be a super pick at that spot.

534

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:32

Actually, Toral has impressed me quite a bit. Obviously, his keepers are amazing. His first three picks didn't impress me, but the last five have been pretty great. Crawford is unlikely to recapture the magic, but it's a good gamble. KJ fills a specific need quite well. Marmol was great late value (especially considering where his backup went). Werth should have been gone rounds ago (or kept). And Avila was the last catcher in the top tier, and still young.

I'm happy with my team and my draft, but Toral is definitely the team to beat.

535

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:35

It is definitely going to be a great year. Several teams with strong teams.....don't forget to come see my team to fill your needs.....except for you bh. I'm not trading Longoria to you.

536

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:40

And what do you know- I am in need of a third baseman and have two young shortstops. Didn't you just trade Ian Desmond?

537

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 10:47

When I was "strategizing" my last pick I went through all the teams and what they had and still need and I saw at least 6 teams who were incredibly stacked. There could be half the league in contention this year. To this point, my team doesn't stack up with the top few teams and may never get there. Perhaps it is because I willingly passed on Werth and Avila and some of the others mentioned previously as great picks.

538

Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 11:33

If 534 is right about my picks it's probably because I feel free to be more imaginative after the first 3 picks, which I feel obliged to fill out conventionally. You know, grab any closer, fill out your rotation....after that you can gamble.

I literally look at no one else's teams, and rarely much at others' picks except to note clever ones and smart angles. I never can figure out how teams are going to do anyway.

But I enjoyed making picks like Crawford, Marmol, Avila...maybe that's the secret. If you pick with a chuckle you're on the right track.

539

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 11:48

536: Please see my prospect list. Thank you.

540

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 12:04

Oh right. Him.

By the way, I am going to print out that quote and put it up on my wall: "If you pick with a chuckle, you're on the right track." Toral, you can be in a fantasy league with me any time you want, no questions asked.

541

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 12:24

Watch out Toral, you are getting ready to get a trade offer from BH.

542

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 12:37

Anyone wants one of my brackets let me know! 10 each, you can paypal... double points for upsets so its extra fun.

543

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:11

Ok.....so WG used most of his four hour clock....which got me wondering what the cumulative clock number was. It is twelve hours. Once a team has burned their cumulative clock time, their picks can be skipped! WG is now over 8 hours. Ref is over 8 hours. Jaydog is approaching 9 hours. Try to use some queues guys.

In checking the cumulative clock........Ooops. The rules state that our per pick clock is supposed to be three hours. We have used four. But our progress has been good -- we are through 6 rounds out of 14 and scheduled to be done on March 27th.

So....barring some concerns or dissenting opinions, I will leave the clock as-is. But watch your cumulative clocks everyone!!

That said, we are on a good pace

544

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:47

My team stinks...

545

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 13:51

I'm going to fill my last roster spot (23rd player) with my 9.10 pick, which means that I have some picks up for grabs to the highest bidder. If anyone wants upgrade their picks, we can possibly flip prospect round picks or picks in next years draft.

I have 9.19, 11.19, and 13.19 up for grabs. Someone could jump from 14 to 9 for a modest upgrade in either the prospect round or 2014. Obviously I'll make the decision right before the 9.19 pick comes up.

546

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 14:08

You'll drive yourself mad trying to figure out what other teams are going to pick. With respect to Toral's picks, we all agree he got tremendous value in Werth and Avila. He not only filled a position, but he got quality and not a question mark with the selection.

This is going to be a competitive league, and tight at the top. Knowing that, I tempered my expectations as PD and I don't expect to have a seat at the big boys table until next year. I mean, look at our roster!!!

Our objective, this year, was to stabilize the 9 keepers while finishing in the top half of the league. Through our first 4 picks, I believe we fulfilled half of that objective. The only pick that didn't go to plan was McDonald.

Our original thought was to take Detwiler in the fifth followed by Porcello in the sixth...but more and more positive press for Porcello kept coming in, so we went the opposite direction fully expecting the National Det to be there! I get an IM from Ref stating darkside with a homer pick and come to find out its Det. So, I had to goto the drawing board and was split between Fiers and McDonald. Hopefully, we made the right decision.

547

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:16

I'm already starting to pick with 2014 in mind. I fully expect Beachy to be one of my 9 keepers next year.

Werth was an odd one. I picked him up off waivers last year with my golden #1 priority, and it didn't really pay off. He was hurt for awhile, and when he came back about the only thing he did well was get on base. My opinion is that he's more a name now than an actual contributor, but I could be wrong. Certainly not a bad pick at where he went. I could generally say the same thing for Ethier. I just didnt see either of them progressing much. Not enough to make them keepers.

548

R9
ID: 421142114
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:34

Lots of guys I wanted that round. The last couple of rounds were rough for that. Next year is going to be tough, not picking 2-3 times each round. ;)

549

R9
ID: 421142114
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 16:35

Yeah, I was hoping to snag Beachy back this round. Ah well.

550

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 17:25

bmd is cornering the market on swing-for-the-fences 1b.....wtf

551

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 17:37

They are the running backs of fantasy baseball.

552

BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Mar 19, 2013, 21:46

Sure glad I traded for Grant Balfour and (undrafted) last year, and haven't had a pick in like ten years.

553

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:23

My round 8 pick was in honor of R9.

As usual, this draft is tough tough tough. My preferred strategy starting going out the window in recent rounds. I guess I shouldn't have tried to fill out a legitimate offense! Oh well.

554

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 14:33

Probably early on Eric Young but I know how much Species used to love him.

555

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 16:42

Yeap. He was on my radar....and obviously as evidenced by the Pineda pick....I am ready to pull the trigger on the right guus.

556

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 19:21

Last chance if anyone is interested in 9.19 for a 2014 draft upgrade. Send me your offers and I'll take the best one.

557

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:43

Trade:

Slizz gets 9.16 and 14.16
Reg gets 10.01 and 13.01

558

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:47

I have admin access, but have never tried a trade before. Let me see if I can process that ...

BTW - You guys are still doing a semi-crappy job of picking your players up at ESPN.

559

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:47

Confirmed!

560

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:51

Tosh, I was able to figure it out.

561

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 20:53

I did it too. The system did not meltdown apparently.

562

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:29

Trade to report:
Jaydog trades:
2013 Draft Pick 9.19
2014 14th rounder

To Blue Hen for:
2014 11th rounder

563

BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:34

Confirmed.

564

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:38

Trade to report:
Jaydog trades:
2013 Draft Pick 11.19
2014 13th rounder

to Slizz for:
2014 13th rounder

We're essentially swapping places in next years 13th round (Conditional on Slizz's pick being better than mine).

565

jaydog
ID: 35259515
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:43

And with that, unless someone desperately wants my 13th round pick this year (13.19) my draft is complete. Good luck to everyone this season!

566

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:51

Can't figure out how to switch the trade when there is no trade coming back.

567

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 21:58

Trades have been processed.

That said, Draftime does not allow unbalanced trades. So Jaydog now owns 13.15 from BlueHen, and 14.19 from Slizz.

568

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 22:00

i was going to do the same thing you did. I have not put the trade in the rules for next ssn tho.

569

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 23:21

Confirmed.

570

Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 23:26

Tosh and Ref.....thanks for stepping in. I am at the NCAA tourney all weekend.....golf......then traveling more later in the weekend. While I can manage my draft, that gives me zero time for Admin stuff/picking up players. Whatever help you can give is appreciated.

571

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 23:52

I am basically gone all day Friday/Saturday/Sunday at my sister's wedding in California.

I'll likely be drafting via phone, and admin oversight from me will also be limited.

572

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 13:12

Hanley needs major surgery and is out at least 2 months. Been a fun season guys, Thanks for having me. My team just isn't good enough to overcome a major hit like this. At least I have another SS but my team is reeling.

573

Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 21, 2013, 15:11

Cry me a river dude!! ( Teix, Granderson, W. Myers)

574

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 04:52

Two words Ref: Yasiel Puig.

He will be a guy who will be selected in the first in 10 team mixed leagues in a couple years.

575

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 09:47

LOL Species. You knew what you were getting even at Keeper time. All I am saying is that my team is not good enough to compete. Several teams are loaded enough that they can just dust it off. Fzcts are facts. No crying here.

Slizz, just a couple days ago, Puig and Bradley and ZERO chance to make the team. Now both are at least 50/50. They both are good enough to start right now and contribute. Puig could start in left instead of a right handed platoon with Ethier in RF while Crawford is still on the mend and Bradley could man the CF job in Boston as they expected by May anyhow. Of course I have 6 OFs already now. Just messes your draft up when things change so abruptly like this.

576

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 10:09

True, Hanley Ramirez has been the picture of health and stability.

577

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 10:25

my draft is done. I am not able to pick up any more players because of the 2 prospects I called up. To not hold things up I loaded my queue for the last 2 rounds:
- in my 13th round queue is a player that is not expected to play this season.
- in my 14th round queue is my prospect Noah Syndergaard.

578

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 11:17

I forgot about that. I won't need my 14th pick.

I'll queue it up.

579

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 11:39

Now I'm confused. There are 24 roster spots, but we only keep/draft 23. Is this right? Is it intended that we pick up the last bench slot as an FA? If I called up a prospect before the draft, can I use my last pick?

580

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:34

There should only be 23 slots once the season starts. I don't know why it's set at 24 now.

581

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:45

My draft is done. We made great time this year - thank you all.

Pretty happy with my draft, even though I took three catchers. Not sure where the Anthony Rizzo or Chris Sale of 2013 are going to come from, but have really high hopes for Tommy Hanson, Everth Cabrera, and Yasmani Grandal.

As always, Species and Toral continued to impress me with their drafts. There's a reason they are always near the top, even when they aren't.

I think I filled most of my open spots, but would love to make a deal if you see something that works. Good luck this year!

582

Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 17:50

580: oooops. That is wrong obviously. Will see if I can fix this via phone

583

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Mar 22, 2013, 20:04

Thanks for clarifying. I put a useless player in the queue for my pick.

584

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 10:27

Like the spec pick on Brian Wilson.

585

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 23:37

I actually thought about it too...

586

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Mar 23, 2013, 23:38

...especially since my projected save total is a zero (0).

587

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 10:51

2013 DRAFT DIARY

I always enjoy writing these, so here it goes. As everyone who participates in this league knows, I had arguably the worst team with respect to keepers. My goal towards the end of last season / off-season was to rid myself of the stale players that had me toiling in mediocrity since I inherited this team 3 seasons ago. Mission accomplished. I got rid of every single keeper from last season via dropping them or trading them. I fully recognize that I posses some “questionable” keepers, but think in 2014 I should be fine.

KEEPERS
1. Justin Morneau, 1B, MIN - Justin Morneau makes $14mil a year and is in a contract season. My hope is Morneau plays his tail off to parlay it into another 8 figure contract (something like 3 years / $36 million).
2. Dustin Ackley, 2B, SEA - To quote a 2011 article from Tristan Cockroft: Long term, Ackley has All-Star potential, though at the same time such a statement shouldn't confused with "All-Star potential at first base," which is a vastly different thing. An All-Star at second base might mean a .300 batting average, 15 home runs and 20 stolen bases, but that's still an extremely valuable asset for a player only 23 years old today. I might not even buy in fully in 2012; but come 2013, perhaps we can talk about the Ackley breakthrough. Why not? I think Ackley has the peripherals to be a 15/15 guy with tons of upside due to his age. I think this year I will endure some heartburn with him, but the guy has succeeded on every level and I think he should take that step forward and continue improving in 2013.
3. Todd Frazier, 3B, CIN - Without any uptick in skills or luck, he should get AT LEAST 25 home runs based on last seasons #’s. I am bullish on Frazier and think he will clear 30 making him a guy who is a “must keep” in 2014.
4. Dee Gordon, SS, LAD - This one is more personal as he was my first prospect ever drafted in G20. I want to see him make it in the show. Only thing that keeps me holding on is his speed at a position where its OK not to have power. If I can get 50 SB at SS, that’s a huge asset as it won’t take me away from power in other areas.
5. Cameron Maybin, OF, SD - When I traded for him last year, I realized that I was buying low. This article does a better argument than I could for the guy: Cameron Maybin Breakout
6. Darin Ruf, OF, PHI - the guy can mash in the minors…was hoping we’d get to see if he could do it in the show. He’s not someone who typically should get kept, but I couldn’t risk losing him to the prospect draft as he had not met the minimum at bats yet. Since we now host the prospect draft prior to the regular season and supplemental draft, it was either keep Ruf or A.J. Burnett. Don’t get me wrong, whoever has A.J. Burnett is going to get a guy who is money in a contract year, but he didn’t fit my teams profile going forward…Ruf did.
7. Jonathon Niese, SP, NYM - Last season, he cut his ERA by a full run without changing anything with respect to his velocity or mechanics. He just turned 26 and should develop into one of the better fantasy pitchers in G20. While he won’t be the best of the keepers, but he will be someone who is arguably could be kept on just about every squad.
8. Jarrod Parker, SP, OAK - Parker’s velocity routinely cracks 95 mph and best of all, his velocity peaked in September. Combine that fastball with a filthy change up and pitching in Oakland makes him a prime keeper going forward
9. Addison Reed, RP, CHW - The blue hen special. Toral had a solid offer on the table 5.01 in exchange for Huston Street and his 10th. I worked a fair trade with BH to acquire a guy whose K/9, career was 12, until 2012. I’m hoping that the late season swoon was an aberration (post 45 innings in the show) as I was paying for future performance as the new closer on The Island….

PROSPECTS
Anthony Rendon, 3B, WSH
Jose Fernandez, SP, MIA
Carlos Correa, SS, HOU
Bubba Starling, OF, KC

The farm is loaded and primed to make an impact in 2014/15. I’m really excited to see if Bubba Starling develops into one of the games better players as he has the tools to be better than everyone else on my team. Can he put it together? That’s the question.

Draft Objective: Complete roster overhaul and find 9 bona fide keepers for the 2014 season while competing to be in the top half of the league in 2013.

My first year in the league (2010) I overachieved finishing among the top 5 due to a stellar pitching staff and good bets on starting pitching (Jair Jurrjens with his big first half, Ricky Romero before he “broke out”, Gio Gonzalez as a late round steal, Ubaldo Jimenez before he stunk, Clay Buchholz before he imploded, etc.). Additionally, I was able to pickup guys like Manny Corpas to vulture some saves, which helped me finish at the top of the standings in almost every pitching category.

Utilizing this strategy, I figured I could achieve the second part of my draft objective (finishing in the top half of the league) by generating alpha in the pitching. If I catch a break in ERA and WHIP, my K/9 and W should be there. Going into the draft, PD and I scripted what the first 6 rounds would look like for us:

Round 1 - Jeremy Hellickson - Potential 2014 keeper arm
Round 2 - Logan Morrison - Potential 2014 keeper bat
Round 3 - Domonic Brown - Potential 2014 keeper bat
Round 4 - Traded to BH
Round 5 - Rick Porcello / Ross Detwiler
Round 6 - Ross Detwiler / Rick Porcello

Nevertheless, here is my pick by pick analysis:

1.04 - Jeremy Hellickson, SP, TB: My knee jerk reaction post keepers was to select Jeremy Hellickson with the pick. I tried to find a way to get him on to my squad via trade with WG, but I just couldn’t part with my other guys…including Ruf.

Nevertheless, I constructed a board of three players, in this order:

1) Altuve
2) Perkins (due to trade bait and he will keep me competitive in Saves)
3) Hellickson

After discussing with PD, we figured Altuve would be gone at #2 due to the fact he

A) is keeper quality, and;
B) Nerfherders had a need at 2B.

Perkins was the fallback option on Hellickson as I didn’t see AA taking a closer with the first pick. Now if those 3 were selected, I probably would’ve went Jake Peavy…

This was a safe pick. Hellickson is not an overpowering K-machine…but he is an effective pitcher. Consistently under 3.50 ERA, doesn’t walk a ton of hitters, and should get me about 7k/9. I’m hoping for a little more than 10 W’s though!
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2.01 - Logan Morrison, 1B/OF, MIA: I’m banking on a bounce back year for him. He has the pedigree and potential for a .280 / 30 HR season with a decent OB% as evidenced by his 2011 #’s. He won’t have to work as hard on defense as he is not longer patrolling the outfield. That said, I am hoping he does not turn out to be Johnny Gomes (another player who flashed greatness in his first season up in the show…only to toil in mediocrity for the remainder of his career). We know he has a sweet swing…hopefully he can put it all together for a full year.

3.01 - Domonic Brown, OF, PHI: This is someone who I would’ve selected in the fourth round had I had a pick, but I felt it was good to reach for him in the third round rather than not have him at all. It was only in 2010 when this guy was the #1 prospect in all of Major League Baseball. He went from the most hyped up and comer to a post-hype sleeper in three years. Now that he has an everyday job for the Phils, I think we will get to see some of that potential that made him the 2010 #1 overall player. Additionally, listening to 97.5 The Fanatic all day, I hear how much this guy had been ripping the cover off of the ball. If he can put it together, I can get a 30/30 type guy and a keeper in the third round. Sure there is tons of risk, but I am hoping that he finally cashes on that potential.

5.01 - Rick Porcello, SP, DET: Another pick that could’ve been deemed a reach. Porcello is someone who is fighting for a 5th spot in a rotation. Why pick this guy when there is plenty of other talent out there?

First, he fits our team’s M.O. Young pitcher, tons of upside…

1) He’s only 24!
2) He already has 3 full seasons of big league experience.
3) He improved his strikeout rate from 12.0%, to 13.3%, and to 13.7%, in each season.
4) His ground ball rate was 53.2%…among the best in the bigs!
5) His fastball velocity increased by 2 mph last year, which bodes well for his long-term development.

Those stats, combined with the torrid spring he is having made this an ideological pick for Ricky P!

6.01 - James McDonald, SP, PIT: I hate this pick. I had Ross Detwiler queued up to go and he was taken from me by darkside. I was left scrambling after that as I did not think Detwiler would be selected prior to the 6th. The pick ultimately came down to Michael Fiers or James McDonald.

McDonald was a tale of two seasons: First half of the season, he was mentioned as a Cy Young candidate. Second half of the season, he was a guy who you didn’t want on your roster.

McDonald’s 2011 and 2012 look nearly identical…however, after his 122 pitch performance vs. the Twins, his stuff seemed to take a nosedive. His average velocity was down by nearly 2 mph and he stopped going as deep into games. I’m hoping that he has somewhat of a bounce back year and is more in the mold of a pitcher from the first half, rather than the second.

Why chose him over Fiers? 1.3 WARP vs. 1.2 WARP.\

8.01 - Cliff Pennington, SS, ARI: I think he is an undervalued SS as his #’s suffered in Oakland. I think the former first round pick improves significantly and gives me a solid starter at 2B/SS.

9.01 - Michael Brantley, OF, CLE: Seemed to be the only guy left who is guaranteed to get at least 500 AB. I figure he has some upside to get 10+ HR and is a lock for 15-20 SB. He did have one month where he posted a 1,000 OPS…I’m hoping he can consistently get that # in the 800-900 range to make for a solid fantasy outfielder…but I’m not holding my breath.

9.16 - Wilson Ramos, C, WSH: Did not want to lose another National (Detwiler) to darkside. Knowing BH and DS needed a catcher, I got in touch with Ref to see if he would be willing to move this pick and slide down 4 spots to 10.01. Ref accepted and I got my catcher. He was a top 10 catcher before his injury…I’m hoping he can return to his pre-injury form on a World Series contender. Ironically, 17 and 18 went Catcher so this gamble proved to be a good one.

11.01 - Lucas Harrell, SP, HOU: Sleeper pick I’ve been reading a lot of good things about. Won’t get me a ton of W’s…but has a good K/9 and should keep the ERA low. I know the Cardinals are looking to trade for him…hopefully that happens.

11.19 - Phil Coke, RP, DET: Hope he’s closer…if not, he’s the first one cut.

12.01 - Rex Brothers, RP, COL: I don’t see Betancourt as the long term answer in Colorado. Brothers boasts a vicious K/9 and could vulture some saves.

12.18 - Junichi Tazawa, RP, BOS: Should be the first to close if Hanrahan doesn’t get it done. You heard it here first! To be honest, I don’t think any Boston closer is that great…if they were GO would’ve scooped them up.

14.01 - Nathan Eovaldi, SP, MIA: His fastball can hit 98 mph and he was the centerpiece of the Hanley Ramirez deal. At this point, its just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks.

14.16 - Greg Dobbs: I can’t live in a world where Greg Dobbs doesn’t get drafted. This pick is actually Tyler Skaggs as he was called up.

Picks I loved (gonna try to limit it to one per round!):

The first round has so much to love…so there really are no bad picks here, but one sticks out:

1.20 - Steve Cishek: MLB Network did a special on him after the loss to the Dominican Republic on how good his stuff was. The rich get richer with this pick.

2.17 - Matt Carpenter: That was before he was named the starting 2nd Baseman. He will be a multi-position player and solid starter.

3.10 - Trevor Cahill: Improved his K/9 in each season he’s been in the show.

3.11 - A.J. Burnett: Solid pick for R9. He lowered his Standard Deviation with veteran picks and has made a seat for himself at the big boys table.

3.20 - Carl Crawford: Great low risk pick that could pay dividends…same with Werth in the next round.

4.02 - Tommy Milone: Oakland Pitchers = Fantasy $$$. Blue Hen with a steal in this round

4.17 - Everth Cabrera: Someone who should have went way earlier. Was surprised a guy like him was still around!

5.12 - Clay Buchholz: Got a soft spot for Clay…has been with my team since the beginning.

6.18 - Yonder Alonso: Regardless of the Biogenesis rumors…Tosh gets a guy who could be a 2014 Keeper with this selection.

7.04 - Brandon Beachy: Even if he has to wait…the guy showed he has Cy Young stuff when healthy.

8.05 - Michael Pineda: Tremendous upside and keeper potential.

9.06 - Tyler Colvin: Was someone I considered (key word…considered) in the third if Domonic Brown was kept. Great value!

10.01 - Brennan Boesch: I know he let me down last year…but with that short left field in Yankee Stadium…he is gonna get a decent ROI for Ref.

10.05 - Ubaldo Jimenez: At this point in the draft, he gets a guy who could be a #1 starter…not a bad trading chip to have. Worst case, he cuts him.

10.19 - Dan Straily: Oakland Pitchers…and the minor league strikeout king!

11.16 - Ricky Nolasco: Like Ubaldo Jimenez…Opening Day starter for the Marlins and a guy who will yield a greater ROI than where he was drafted. His stuff isn’t what it used to be, but he is still an effective pitcher.

12.07 - Travis Snider: Ladies and Gentlemen…he is only 24! Judy got a guy with massive upside potential and a bat that could still be elite. I liken him to Anthony Rizzo…someone who tore up minor league pitching but was slow to develop in the show. Great pick by Judy.

12.12 - Cory Luebke: Before Tommy John, was considered to be a Cy Young candidate. GO is going to reap the benefits on this one and he might even figure to be a keeper.

13.02 - Andy Dirks: If he can hold off Nick Castellanos…he will get tons of at bats on a World Series contender.

14.05 - Brian Wilson: Wish I thought of that instead of picking crappy Eovaldi.

And good luck to all in 2013! Look forward to competing with you all.

588

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Mar 24, 2013, 12:49

When do waivers begin?

589

Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 00:14

Absolutely awesome breakdown Slizz. Great stuff!!

Judy: I am out of town. So is Tosh. We haven't had the time toreview rosters and get waivers turned on. Bear with us. Until waivers run, THERE ATLRE NO PICKUPS. Any pickups will be reversed

590

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 10:51

Good stuff Slizz. I am home today but digging out of a snowstorm. Still snowing. I might be able to help a little get things going. Need to get waivers going before season starts, obviously.

Great write up Slizz!

591

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 12:02

Are we going to be able to reset bench slots to 8 (currently at 9)? It doesn't look like it - which means we'll need to wipe out all rosters and reload from scratch.

Don't know if that was always the plan - although I didn't think so.

592

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 13:28

Yes. Have to start all over.

593

allhair allstars
ID: 422382517
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 18:42

Checked in to talk aboht finally getting some good news (Lohse finally signing) and read the post about resetting the rosters. Sucks. This too shall pass.

594

R9
ID: 99272420
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 20:54

Awesome Slizz! Everyone should make a recap when they get a chance.

595

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 21:06

588 Slizz

Did not mean to rush, just curious....

596

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 21:08

BTW-- I cannot believe I let Dom slip to you. Just assumed someone had him or he would have been my #1 pick. C**p!

And you have Ruf too!

597

bh@det
ID: 62472521
Mon, Mar 25, 2013, 22:47

Pretty happy with my own pick but seems fun to pick one other pick, per round, that I liked.

Round 1: Love that R9 managed to get both Jansen and League. It did take two first rounders to make it happen, but there is some serious value there.

Round 2: Nick Markakis. This guy was pretty untouchable until very recently. Good chance he is kept next year.

Round 3: Trevor Cahill. He was once on par with Brett Anderson, and I think he'll recapture the magic this year, increasing his strikeouts and keeping his ratios good.

Round 4: (tie) Jose Veras and Felix Doubront. Veras should get good closer value this late, and Doubront is very underrated with the strikeouts.

Round 5: Jayson Werth. He's so stable, and that's so rare this late in the draft. I would have taken him much earlier if I had any spots.

Round 6: Yonder Alonso could be the Anthony Rizzo of this year, being an obvious keeper next year.

Round 7: Luke Gregerson. Especially if you have Huston Street.

Round 8: Bud Norris, alhough this was a pretty weak round.

Round 9: Vance Worley. I think he could bust out this year in a new park, with a new lease on life.

Round 10: Ubaldo Jimenez. He's the perfect G20 risk. What if he dominates again? It could happen.

Round 11: Ivan Nova. Not quite the upside of Ubaldo, but more likely to get there.

Round 12: Mitchell Boggs. Although my own bias says Rosenthal should close.

Round 13: Scott Kazmir, by default.

Round 14: Lots of good sleepers in this round, but WG getting Mesoraco and Smyly was pretty impressive

598

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 03:16

I have now re-entered all the players so that we can process waivers and start the season correctly.

- I have not 'started' the season. I will let Species go ahead and decide when to push that final button.

- All non-keeper players are still on the available players page, but all drafted players now appear on your rosters. PLEASE GO TO YOUR TEAM PAGE AND CHECK MY ACCURACY.

599

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:02

Great job Tosh!

Well my SS and 3B are now on the DL. I drafted three OFs in Duda, Boesch and Young that I may be interested in trading. I like all three of them, obviously. Neither of my DLs guys will be out for a long time, (Freese by April 8 and Hanley by end of May) so I don't want to screw up my team long term but do want to see what's out there.

600

Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 11:49

Tosh....you are the $*^$&@ man. Thank you for dojng that and correcting my egregious error. Sooooo sorry about that. There is so much to do in getting this league going that it is hard to not miss something....just sucks that it was something that big.

I will give things a once-over tonight and press "the button".

Love the write-ups, favorite picks and other analysis.

601

jaydog
ID: 312451110
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 12:41

Only mistake I see is that my trade for Ian Desmond and Mariano Rivera is not accounted for. My final two picks (Conger and Nieuwenhuis) were just placeholders and should not be on my roster, their spots should be for Desmond and Rivera. Other than that, everything looks good... thanks for doing the grunt work here!

602

jaydog
ID: 312451110
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 13:54

Thanks for starting the recap's Slizz... interesting reading, I'll throw mine in the ring.

After narrowly missing the title last year, and realizing that I had a very solid stable of keepers coming back I decided I'm in win now mode.

Keepers
C: Yadier Molina - One of the top 3-5 catchers in the game. Picked him early in the supplemental draft last year, and hope to ride his production for years to come.
1B: Joey Votto - 'Nuf said. His OBP makes him one of the best players in this format and covers some of my other hitters flaws. His injury last year (and having to replace him w/ Smoak) may have cost me the title.
2B: Brandon Phillips - I've always felt Phillips was overrated, and his mediocre OBP hurts a bit, but there's no arguing with his above average production in everything but OBP.
3B: Aramis Ramirez - Even with his slow start last year, he put up the consistent strong numbers I've gotten used to with him. On the downslope of his career, but will hopefully squeeze one (or two) more years out of him.
OF: Josh Hamilton - Fingers crossed that he can stay out of his own way, and that the park at Anaheim doesn't zap some of his power.
OF: Jay Bruce - OBP was disappointing last year, but power was there. Hopefully his OBP raises back to his historical norm, and we haven't seen his power peak yet. Upside of a top 5 OF.
SP: Johnny Cueto - Can't assume he'll repeat his ratio's of last year, but still a guy that has to be kept.
SP: Matt Cain - My trade of Adrian Gonzalez for Matt Cain a few years back has certainly paid dividends and hope it continues to.
RP: Fernando Rodney - I went into last season without a closer and it paid off for me. I can't expect Rodney to duplicate 2012, but even 80% of 2012 makes him a top 3 closer. I'll go into the season with him, and see about adding other closers in the draft.
PROSPECT SP: Matt Harvey - Not having to use a keeper on Matt Harvey could end up to be huge. Harvey is a big K guy (which is nice because Cueto isn't) and could put up very solid numbers in a big ballpark in a mediocre division. Ive fielded many trade offers for Harvey, but I think there's too much upside to cut bait.
Pre Draft
After keeper declaration I had holes at SS, a 3rd OF, and rounding out my staff. This is my first year in the league not keeping Jeter, so finding a SS was a scary proposition.

I (unfortunately) could not keep Jarrod Parker, and surprisingly couldn't get anything other than a 7th round pick for him. I love Parker, but it was clear to everyone that he didn't fit on my team, and with no leverage I had to take the best offer I could get.

I was also stuck with Jedd Gyorko as a prospect. It was sounding like he was going to open the year as the starter in SD, meaning that I was going to have to make a decision next year about whether to keep him or not. Already set at 2B (Phillips), I didn't want to run the risk of Gyorko disappointing this year, and having to drop him w/ little to no compensation (like Parker). I was able to get a 3rd and 4th round pick for him this year. If he delivers on his potential this year, it will be a steal for whoever traded for him, but I took the sure thing, rather than the unknown and think I got a decent haul.

My last Pre Draft trade was the blockbuster. Species had some prospect SS's coming up which made Ian Desmond expendable. I've never loved Desmond due to his awful plate discipline, but his counting stats are certainly elite for a SS. Species had asked for Sano, and while I love Sano's potential, potential doesn't help me now and he's still a few years away. Given my "Win Now" mode, it made sense to work a deal. Seeing that Species also had Mariano Rivera allowed me to grow the deal a bit. Rivera (if healthy) gives me a 2nd top tier closer to pair w/ Rodney. The deal worked out to be Desmond and Riviera for two 2015 picks and a prospect pick. Yes, I gave up a lot, but if I win it all this year it will be worth it, and even if I don't, Desmond could be my SS for years to come.

Going into the draft, I was fortunate enough to already have 12 players (9 keepers plus Harvey, Desmond, and Riveira). I still needed a 3rd starting OF and Utility bat. I was hoping to get a 3rd closer to give me a big leg up in that category (and possibly some trading leverage) as well as find players that filled 2013 needs. Given that my keepers are set for next year (unless I have several catestrophic injuries), my picks were going to be less sexy than most, but will hopefully end up filling needs that gets me into the league title picture. With that being said, here were my selections:

Draft
1.19 - Rafael Betancourt, RP, COL: Wanted to get a closer here and was excited when there were a few left on the board. Already having Rivera and Rodney means that a third closer should put me towards the top of the saves category (health and performance assuming). I was between Betancourt and Cishek here, and felt that Betancourts track record trumped Cishek's youth. Always a risk Betancourt gets traded at the deadline, so I'll do by best to handcuff him later, but assuming he's a closer for the full year, should give me 30+ saves while providing positive contributions in the ratio stats.

2.19 - Torii Hunter, OF, DET: Definitely not a sexy pick, but fits my team needs very well. He's coming off a very good season and figures to bat towards the top of a stacked lineup in Detroit. With an older player, there's always the chance that his production drops off, but even dropping slightly off of last years numbers would still provide a very servicable 3rd OF. My team definitely needs speed, but all of the speedsters left have gaping holes in other categories, and I feel like I should be able to snag someone later in the draft.

3.18 - Wandy Rodriguez, SP, PIT: With the first of my picks that I received for Gyorko I went with Wandy. While another "non sexy" (sensing a theme here) pick, Wandy quietly put together a very good season last year. His walk rates have been in check the last few seasons, and while his K rate isn't what it used to be, it's still above average for a 4th starting pitcher with good ratio's.

3.19 - Juan Pierre, OF, FLA: Looking at my stat distribution, speed is clearly my weak spot. Looking at the burners available, they were all mostly one or two category producers where I feel Pierre could help me in runs (batting leadoff), OBP (has never been great due to his low walk rate, but always hits for a decent average), and of course Steals. My other options here were Evereth Cabrera (less opportunity to play in my lineup with Desmond playing every day), Starling Marte (higher ceiling but also lower floor), and so on. While Pierre may not have the talent of several players left on the board, he fits my team needs especially well and as a 4th OF, I should have plenty of opportunities to get his speed in the lineup.

4.18 - Phil Hughes, SP, NYY: Having filled all of my offensive starters, time to look at the rotation. I needed a 5th starter, and Hughes seemed to stick out on my rankings. He's never been great, but also has been very servicible (was my 5th starter last year). He's a free agent next season, so hopefully this is the year he puts it all together as he prepares for his first real payday. As a 3rd starter, I don't like Hughes as much, but as my 5th, I love the risk/reward. That makes it Wandy Rodriguez and Phil Hughes for Jedd Gyorko. On paper doesn't look that good, but considering I was going to have a tough time keeping Gyorko after this season anways, I'll take two proven starters over an unknown prospect.

5.19 - Ryan Cook, RP, OAK: On to the bullpen. There were seveal guys I liked with this pick. Alburquerque was on the top of my queue, but was nabbed by blue hen (ARGG). Ryan Cook was my consolation prize. Was fantastic last season and should help boost my ratio's while putting up a good K rate. While he struggled last year as a closer, he's probably still next in line should something happen to the oft injured Balfour.

6.19 - Jeff Keppinger, INF, CHI: Having 5 starters and 4 relievers, I still had a few more pitchers to grab but none them jumped out at me here. Looking at Keppinger, his production probably doesn't warrant a 6th round pick, but his versatility fits my team needs very well. I can swap him in all over the infield (except SS) and he could up very respectable numbers playing every day in Chicago (great hitters park).

7.01 - Emilio Bonafacio, OF, TOR: This will be my third year in a row with Bonafacio on my team. Losing his IF eligibility definitely stunts his value, but I'm hopeful that he'll at least get his 2B eligibility back by mid season. My team could still use a boost in steals, and Bonafacio certainly delivers that while posting a respectable OBP. I thought this was one of my better value picks of the drafts. If Bonafacio plays 130 games while gaining his IF eligibility, he could be a steal, and someone I may be able to trade for future picks next season. While the trade of Jarrod Parker only netting me Bonafacio makes me a bit sick to my stomach, I was glad I could get someone servicible that should help me compete this year lessens the sting a bit.

7.19 - Ervin Santana, SP, KAN: Having finished my offense, it was time to round out my staff. I have 5 starters and 4 relievers. I lost out on drafting Rivera's handcuff (D. Robertson), and neither Rodney's (McGee, Farnsworth, Peralta) or Betancourt's (Brothers, Belisle, W. Lopez) were sure things, so I figured I'd get another starter. I had my eye on Edinson Volquez all draft with the intention of pitching him exclusively in his home starts. That's what I did last year, and really enjoyed his sub 3 ERA splits at home with a high K rate. I was hoping that fact would slip through the cracks (should have known better) and missed him by one pick. No one jumped off of the page otherwise, so I went with the bounceback candidate E. Santana. Outside of his putrid 2012, Santana has always been consistently solid and healthy. Most advanced metrics also seem to indicate that last year was more bad luck than anything else, so I'm hopeful he can regain his servicible mediocrety in KC. Santana has had a very good spring, and at a minimum he should provide me with a decent # of K's, and pitching in one of the weaker offensive divisions in baseball (can't wait for those Houston starts) should help to keep his ratio's solid. Not much upside here, and he could always prove that last year is his new normal, but as a 6th starter, I think he's a solid choice.

8.19 - Miguel Gonzalez, SP, BAL: I still needed a 5th reliever, but felt that there were ample opportunities to grab one with my last pick. Figured with my second to last selection, I'd take a 7th starting pitcher giving me the opportunities to play matchups, with the upside to deploy every 5 days. Miguel Gonzalez fit that bill quite well. Offense should be way down in the AL East (Tampa, NYY, and BOS all have fairly weak lineups), and Gonzalez is relatively young and provided very respectable statistics last year. I think there's a chance he's very servicible for me, and if he doesn't pan out, I can deploy him based on matchup, or drop him.

9.10 - Wilton Lopez, RP, COL: To finish out my draft I wanted to get a 5th reliever that had the chance to handcuff one of my closers while at the same time providing servicible statistics even when not closing. I was looking at Tampa and Colorado. Jake McGee was first on my list due to his high K rate, but he went a round earlier. Kyle Farnsworth was a potential hancuff candidate, but I didn't like his statistical distribution, and Joel Peralta was another possiblity in Tampa. For Colorado, it was between Wilton Lopez and Rex Brothers. While Brothers probably has stuff that more resembles a closer, he's struggled with his control, and I worry that he'd negatively affect my WHIP while in a middle relief role. Wilton Lopez, on the other hand, has always had a tremendous walk rate, which should serve him well in Coors. The decision came down to Lopez vs. Peralta and I went with Lopez due to his strong walk rate and chance of closing should Betancourt be traded. I'll be bummed if Brothers get's the first crack, but my team WHIP will be appreciative of not having him walk the world while I wait for that to potentially happen.

So thats my draft. Won't win any awards for drafting any "sleepers" or high upside guys, but that wasn't my goal. I think/hope I did a good job of plugging holes... we'll see!

My favorite picks round by round:

1.06, Andrelton Simmons. May not pay dividends this season, but has a good chance at beeing a keeper quality SS for many years to come.

2.09, Melky Cabrera. I would have loved Cabrera in the 2nd round. Even if his stats still do come down to earth a bit off of PED's, his value should be off the charts here.

3.13, Ryan Madson. Yes he's injured, but assuming he gets the closers role in May, his numbers could still rival the closers drafted two rounds earlier (or kept).

4.13, Hisashi Iwakuma. Fantastic numbers as a starter last year. His less fanstic numbers as a reliever dragged his overall stats down, but if he can approach his starter output this year he could be a great bargain.

5.10, Ryan Ludwick. Looking back on it, I would have much prefered Ludwick in the 5th to Torii Hunter in the 2nd. To get a starting OF w/ 30HR/100RBI potential this late in the draft is huge.

6.04, Michael Saunders. See above with slightly less HR potential, but added steals benefits. I watched this guy rake in the WBC and he could be poised for a big year. Fences coming in at Safeco could help w/ the power #'s.

7.18, Edinson Volquez. If you only start him at home, he's a top 30 pitcher.

8.16, Lucas Duda. Huge power potential, just waiting to see him put it together. There's a lot of upside in that bat, especailly for the 8th round.

9.19/20, Grandal/Jaso. The Grandal/Jaso pair should give BH a top 10 catcher. Grandal was fantastic last year (hopefully not PED fueled) and Jaso will hold down the fort on OBP until Grandal comes back. Very shrewed.

Honestly, I stopped paying attention after the 9th round since my draft was over.

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Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 15:28

Jaydog [601] - THANKS. It took over two hours to re-enter the names. I caught all the promoted prospects, but missed that early trade.

As it turns out, I am UNABLE to process that trade until the season is activated. The keepers were frozen in place, and cannot be transferred using the ESPN draft tool.

Conger and Nieuwenhuis have been removed from Jaydog's team [now currently at 21 players]. Species still has 23 players.

As soon as Species 'starts' the league, he can process the trade, then place waiver claims on his final two players.

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Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 15:49

Dues time again!

Contributions to the prize pool will again be $15 per head. All returning members of the league are participants in the prize pool, and are required to contribute each year. As a first year participant, WG can join this year, or he can skip this year and defer his decision until 2014.

In addition to the prize pool, we collect dues each year to cover league hosting costs and a trophy. Since we are no longer paying a hosting fee to CBS, we are assessing only $2 per head for dues this year. This pays for the draft at Draftime, and also for a trophy to be purchased at the end of the season for the winner.

So, the total amount to be paid is $17. If you are sending this via Paypal, please send it to davehall@rotoguru2.com, and designate it as a Personal Transfer - payment owed. This should eliminate any fees charged. In the message simply say G20 dues.

If you are sending by check, please email me and Ill provide the mailing address.

Species, Blue Hen, Darkside, Toral, Jaydog, Youngroman, and BMD have enough money on account to cover the payment, so they owe nothing.

Rogue9 has $8.50 on account, so he owes only $8.50. Ref has $5 on account, so he owes only $12.

I believe everyone else owes the full $17. If you think you have funds on account that I may have overlooked, please ask.

Please send in your dues payment as soon as possible. I'll also send this out through the ESPN email system, but it always seems like some managers don't receive those emails.

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Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 19:05

2013 Preseason Thoughts

I love doing this kind of stuff so I hope you indulge me.

Going into the preseason I had alot of choices to make. I had alot of good RBI guys on offense, and yet my offense wasn't very good last year. I had to decide which to keep and which to toss back. I think I made the right decisions on LaRoche, Werth, and Ethier. Keeping Hart was also a tough decision, considering his injury, but I'm thinking more long term than just this year, and in the long run, he will be better than the three veterans I released. Pitching last year was actually not too bad, but the pitchers themselves were largely uninspiring. I thought Beckett was done as a top tier pitcher so he's gone. Bailey shined last year so he was worth giving a chance to. The third spot was Frieri's until Axford fell into my lap - well worth a 5th round pick IMO. Frieri is now more valuable than when I had to make that decision, but probably not keeper quality.

Keepers:
C - Victor Martinez - Got him at the end of the supp draft last year with the intention to keep him this year. The plan is working so far as he's back *and* retained his C status.
1B - Ike Davis - I was soured on him for most of the year, but he somehow put up a good power season. LaRoche was better but the upside was all with Davis, so he's my 1B.
3B - Pedro Alvarez - This was another tough decision. He broke out last year and is still young enough to keep it going. It's amazing how far he's come in just a year. I snagged him at the end of the draft last year to back up Scott Rolen. Yeesh.
OF - Josh Willingham - The easiest keeper decision to make on my team. Was outstanding.
OF - Ben Revere - The only SB guy on my team last year. He doesn't do much else though so he's only valuable for those steals. He's going to have some help in this category this year.
OF - Corey Hart - I kept him despite his injury. Nice solid slugger, and doesn't seem to be declining with age.
SP - James Shields - The other easy decision. He started out kind of slow last year but picked up down the stretch. Not the ideal #1 SP but he's okay.
SP - Homer Bailey - Deserves another chance on this team after a breakout 2012. Let's see if he can sustain it.
RP - John Axford - A preseason trade that gets me some much needed saves.

Gone from the keepers of last year are Ethier, Beckett, Sergio Santos, Ryan Roberts, and Colby Lewis.

I decided to call up Jacob Turner because I liked the available prospects and my draft position. I figured Turner would at least be a servicable starter this year. It looks like he's going back to the minors to start the season but this is the Marlins we are talking about. He'll be back.

Prospect Draft - Jameson Taillon - I was a bit surprised he was available in the draft. This was a pretty easy pick, and it happened to coincide with a strong outing against the USA in the WBC.

Arenado might get called up this year. It looks like he is going to have less power than originally projected, but nonetheless a good hitter. Buxton was the best talent of last year's draft, is still young and fairly far away from the bigs yet.

Supplemental Draft:

The goal for this draft was to find a speedy MI for one of my MI spots, and draft pitching pitching pitching. You can never seem to have enough in this league.

1.02 - Jose Altuve. I checked, re-checked, and triple-checked. Then I checked again. Yes, Altuve was in the the supp draft. I had the second pick, so I pretty much knew I was going to get him, as the guy ahead of me already had a 2B. He's the perfect player for my team - a MI with speed and run-scoring ability, who can actually hit.

2.04 - Grant Balfour. I wasn't actually planning to get a closer here, but there was one looking back at me, and I had to take him. I figured all the ones with solid jobs would be gone at this point. I'm not planning to win this year, but I would like to move up in the standings and Balfour's saves will help.

3.04 - Shaun Marcum. An underrated pitcher who's always been good when healthy. He's not healthy right now which is a concernI seem to be higher on him than anyone else, but he projects pretty well this year.

4.04 - Matt Garza. I was hoping Josh Rutledge was going to fall here, as that was my SS target for this draft. But it didn't happen and I needed pitching more. Garza is another pitcher who is currently hurt but has good upside. Since I am thinking more longer term, the current injuries don't concern me as much.

6.04 - Michael Saunders. The wait between the last pick and this was almost intolerable. 36 hours between picks. The quality of players had also dwindled significantly at this point. I needed an OF for the UT spot and to start for Hart while he's out. I decided to punt SS after missing Rutledge. The veterans that were left were not going to help me much, so I decided to wait until late to pick someone up. Saunders should be slightly better this year with the fences moved in. Nice power/speed potential here.

7.04 - Brandon Beachy. I like this pick a lot. Totally with 2014 in mind, I think he will be a keeper for next year and will boost my pitching staff. He might even help this year if he comes back strong.

8.04 - Bud Norris. The SP's were getting thin and I needed to go way down the list to find someone with some K potential and some upside. The fact that he is the opening day starter doesn't say much, but I am hoping for some improvement in his numbers and maybe even a breakout. There's not going to be many wins though.

9.04 - Juan Francisco. A spec pick based on the spring he is having, and the fact that he should get the bulk of the AB's at 3B for the Braves. As a backup and part-time UT he will give me enough HR to make it count.

10.04 - Sean Doolittle. I have my namesake on all of my teams this year because he is the first Doolittle to play in the majors, even though we are not related (to my knowledge). I just think it's cool. And also Doolittle is a good relief pitcher to boot!

11.04 - Eduardo Nunez. Well here's my SS, finally. He'll get AB's while Jeter's out, and hopefully play some 3B as well. He may get replaced before June, but I knew this was going to be a revolving door position. I'd be happy with a dozen steals before I have to dump him. There's a slight chance he plays well and keeps a job somewhere, but probably not likely.

12.04 - Todd Helton. I was a bit surprised to find him here this late in the draft. I'll take a flyer on a guy who played decently enough last year in limited duty. I'm hoping he's healthier this year and can play 120 games or so.

12.14 - Joel Peralta. I needed one more RP and Peralta fits the bill. Not much chance to close but he has pretty good numbers.

13.04 - Travis Wood. I was confused as to how many roster spots we had so my intention was to get a pitcher here and a backup SS with my last pick. Anyways, after looking at my rotation I realized there was too many injuries at the start of the year so grabbed one more SP. I had Wood last year and he was actually decent, so why not.

I did okay in this draft. Altuve makes the draft for me, and as far as I am concerned, the rest of it is gravy. I never had any intention of competing this year. I am hoping for a top 10 and I think I have a chance with some luck going my way.

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Species
ID: 9252619
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 20:07

Some stuff:

- I "hit the button" on the draft results. Thanks again Tosh for inputting the effing draft over. This puts all of the remaining players on waivers, which will process on Thursday.
- I processed the pre-draft trade of Desmond and Rivera to Jaydog.
- Darrin Mastroianni was my final draft pick, but couldn't be added to my team due to the trade not being processed and I had no roster spots. I added him to my team. I still have 1 roster spot to fill.
- I added in the two in-draft trades by Jaydog for his 2013 extra picks.
- I deleted the list of trades affecting 2013 supplemental picks.

Managers may call up prospects who are on their prospect lists. You are supposed to announce a callup in our thread, including who you are cutting, and a Commissioner is supposed to do the transaction for you. NOTE: this is separate from the "call up and renounce" prospects we did prior to the Prospect Draft (i.e. Wil Myers). I am speaking of players who retained prospect list eligibility and were not part of team's 9 keepers. Guys like Manny Machado, Kyuji Fujikawa, Jedd Gyorko, etc.

Obviously this is not a requirement. They can remain on the prospect list without being called up to the main roster. Reminder: a player gets two callups and send-downs and can retain prospect status.

An example: Manny Machado has one callup/send down on his record. Tosh used him last year, and sent him down prior to keepers this year (which is part of one event of calling him up and sending him down). Say Tosh calls him up for a second time and he blows out his knee prior to exceeding prospect limits. He can be sent down one more time and retain eligibility on the prospect list through the next Prospect Draft.

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Species
ID: 9252619
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 20:13

A reminder:

Please be aware of the prospects on our prospect list who show as Free Agents in ESPN. Illegal pickups will be deleted....but a Commissioner may not be able to reverse a pickup in time to ensure that a player is not used illegally.

Many of the top free agents - as sorted by ownership percentage - are prospects. This includes, but is not limited to:

Machado
Profar
Eaton
Jyorko
Puig
Bradley
Hicks
Arenado

Rondon
Fujikawa
Ryu
Miller
Bauer
Cole
Bundy
Rosenthal

Please be cautious.

608

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 20:22

If possible, could you drop Greg Dobbs and replace him with Tyler Skaggs?

As mentioned above, I selected Greg Dobbs as a placeholder for Skaggs.

Thanks!

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darkside
ID: 81492120
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 21:49

Many thanks to all the commishes--I'm glad someone who is not me is responsible for this stuff!

I had no plan going into the draft and every pick was debated endlessly with no clear answer. My first pick (Broxton) was my worst, but I'm satisfied with the rest. Eaton getting hurt definitely put a crimp in my game plan, but I'll survive.

I had hoped to get back Zack Cozart, Marco Estrada and Tommy Milone (especially since he was a prospect for me), but they all went a bit earlier than I expected. Maybe not Milone, I debated him with my 3rd round pick, but went with another bat instead. That's the main reason I didn't wait on Detwiler.

I don't love most of my picks, but won't be surprised if I have a pretty good team. I also won't be surprised if I have a pretty bad team. Who knows, that's the fun of the season.

Good luck to everyone!

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 22:15

Team Species Recap:

2013 is a rebuilding year for me. I have made no secret that my target is to come back in 2015.....and even that will be heavily dependent upon a couple of my prospects hitting the ground running that year (no guarantee of that obviously!).

My keepers are a mix of young and old:

C - Travis d'Arnaud -- a consensus top 15 prospect. A do-it-all catcher with strong offensive potential, who is basically major league ready and has the defensive prowess to not lose AB's or GP's due to poor defense.
1b - Mark Teixeira -- while he has lost his BA and OBP prowess, Teixeira is still only 33 (soon) and almost a guarantee of 30/100 in Yankee Stadium. He can help a contending team for a few years.
SS - Ian Desmond -- with Bogaerts and Lindor on the prospect list, Desmond was expendable. As Jaydog noted, he's not an OBP guy, but his counting stats rock and he's only 27.
3b - Evan Longoria -- a top 3 third baseman.....and by the time 2015 rolls around, he's still only 29 and is probably still a top 3 third baseman.
OF - BJ Upton -- long a favorite of mine, he's a 25 HR/35 SB potential guy in the OF. Still young and someone I can keep into 2015.
OF - Curtis Granderson -- Just turned 32....he has several more years of production left. I could hold onto him or trade him away for more future value.
SP - Felix Hernandez -- There are rumblings about his workload over his career. Hogwash! Are people paranoid about Verlander? No. He's a top SP keeper and a staple for my future team.
SP - CC Sabathia -- One little elbow issue in 10 years and some skeptics in baseball think the wheels are coming off. CC is only 32 and coming off a 3.38 ERA, 1.14 WHIP year....well below career averages. Maybe he doesn't fit a rebuild team, but there is no reason a contender would not want him for this year and the next 2 or 3 after that.
RP - Mariano Rivera -- I wanted a 1st round pick for him. I got it. Was worth the keeper spot.
OF - Wil Myers -- a "10th keeper", I called Myers up from the prospect list so I could get a pick. Myers was the Minor League Player of the Year in 2012 after smacking 37 homers. Myers has Matt Holliday written all over him and is a great young cornerstone for my team.

Having traded away my 1st through 3rd picks for this year in a futile attempt to contend in 2012, the cupboard was pretty bare. So my draft strategy was to accumulate as much value to other teams as I could, and build a pitching staff of setup men/potential closers that I could sell and perhaps dominate the ratio categories. Well that went up in flames as guys like Robertson (4.12 - you f**ker R9), Pestano (5.04), Albuquerque (5.18), Hernandez (6.14) and Storen (6.17) went flying off the board. Shame on me for feeling guilty about trying to field some kind of reasonably legit hitting team. Of course, with FOUR players not starting the year (d'Arnaud, Teix, Granderson & Myers) playing, I was pretty damned hamstrung by having to blow draft picks on mediocre replacements (Mayberry, Young, Blanco, Flowers) instead of tradeable assets.

Some picks I liked:

Round 1 - Hellickson - ready to come into his own
Round 2 - Carpenter - position flexibility, could break out
Round 3 - Brown and Crawford have nice upside
Round 4 - Cabrera, Ethier and Marmol were all nice picks
Round 5 - What was Ryan Ludwick doing available there?
Round 6 - Yonder Alonso. Easily.
Round 7 - Cashner and Beachy
Round 8 - Michael Pineda
Round 9 - Grandal
Round 10 - Ubaldo.
Round 11 - Phil Coke - if the Tigers don't trade for a closer, he'll see some save opps
Round 12 - Rex Brothers - Betancourt will be gone at some point and Brothers has nice closer stuff.
Round 13 - Dirks
Round 14 - How did I miss Devon Mesoraco? Wahhhhh! I do like my Wilson pick though :)

Should be a great year! I'll get a new thread up for Regular Season discussion this week.

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Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 11:02

Great analysis by all. Hoping I get to see more.

It's fun to read the because you see the thought process behind the picks. Like with Pierre...he certainly wasn't the best player available or sexiest pick, but he does give him at least 40 sb and fills a hole in his roster to get him more points en route to a potential championship.

I can already see Species 2015 keeper roster shaping up:

C - D'Arnaud
3B - Longoria
SS - Boagerts
OF - Wil Myers
OF - Upton
UT - Sano
SP - King Felix
SP - Pineda

...and whoever else he fills the last two spots with (probably 1B and RP)

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Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 13:42

Yeah, the Pierre pick was one of my toughest of the draft. Pierre and Evereth Cabrera were at the top of my SB projections, but I had to go Pierre for a few reasons.

1) With Desmond as my primary SS, and one that plays just about every game, opportunities to use Cabrera were locked into only my Util spot. Pierre gives me the opportunity to use him in the Util spot as well as cycling through the other OF positions based on off days or injuries. I'm hoping to be able to get somewhere around 80+ or so games out of Pierre, where best case scenario w/ Cabrera was around 30-40 unless there was a major injury to Desmond. Also, having Desmond locked up meant that there was little chance I'd keep Cabrera beyond this season, so the youth factor did not come into the equation at all.

2) With Cabrera's brutal 20+% K rate, his opportunity to get on base is limited. Conversely, Pierre's 6% K rate, doesn't mean that he'll definitely get on base more, but the opportunity is there to have an OBP north of 350 (as he did last season). I think the players will have similar steal totals, and runs, both batting towards the top of weak lineups, but Pierre's OBP upside is much higher.

All things being equal, I'd much rather have a 26 year old SS just entering his prime than a 35 year old OF, but the fit just wasn't right for my squad.

Thanks for listening, I'm still trying to convince myself that I made the right move :)

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Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 17:55

I think you did, especially when you have Desmond. If you can get a SB guy that can get over .340 OBP, that's a plus no matter what position they play. For whatever reason those guys are rare. I am hoping Revere can get there this year.

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Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 20:50

I wish I had made notes of the thoughts that were going through my mind during the draft.

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allhair allstars
ID: 54242817
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 21:08

I remember some mine. As I recall there was a lot of moaning, a fair amount of swearing, and a good amount of calling people various names.

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ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 13:26

In a nutshell, I went form last place to 5th last year. I wasn't really even able to rebuild as I was buying players to get my keepers to 9. I would rather buy keepers and pay whatever I had to pay to upgrade my team then keep who I have. Everyone's strategy is different but I see nothing but upside form doing so. This year I had some extra keepers. I only had two teams who were interested and ultimately I declined a trade for Escobar as I needed steals badly and to get those from a SS position was huge. The way I have it set up is I'd have 2SS and 2 3B in three spots with Hanley having SS and 3B elig. This would save me a spot as long as they all stayed healthy. Of course Hanley and Freese are no sure bets but both were great last year and Hanley was amazing when he went to LA. I would have loved to keep Kendry but him and Swisher are similar players but Swisher has higher OBP and is 1B eligible which could save me a roster spot as well. I was surprised I didn't get an offer for Kendry--2 years removed from one of the best players in baseball and 100% healthy--but someone was going to spend a 1st to get him. Last year I didn't have the keeper stick with high obp and some power to keep. My trade last year was for that reason. Though now I didn't nec. need it. I think people will look back on that deal and totally change their minds very soon.

1.16 16 Uggla, Dan 2B ATL
My strategy was to get a player with my first pick was to get a player who would make an impact. My biggest need was 2B. I looked and there were two of them I liked Uggla and Altuve. I knew Altuve would never make it to me because of his age, but Altuve really wasn't the impact player I needed. Uggla was perfect but felt there was no way he'd make it to me. There were four people ahead of me who needed a 2B and I was just hoping they had bigger fish to fry. Uggla had a down year last year and I had hoped that would be enough to drop to me at 16. This guy can really hit for power--when he can hit it at least. His slumps can smart. But at that pick I love it. Was so glad he fell to me.
2.16 36 Janssen, Casey P TOR
I didn't want to go closer here. Most closers at this point are up in the air--and this one is no different with an injury he is trying to get over, but the upside is tremendous. I only kept one saves guy thus far and I am going to need one. Toronto is a really good team and he should have plenty of opportunities. Unlike R9, I am not getting Santos--his backup anytime soon. I wouldn't have spent two 1st for the Dodgers two clsoers like R9 did. I know I am in the minority--but I disagree big time.
3.16 56 Dempster, Ryan P BOS
On my last pick, I looked hard at Cahill and AJ Burnett. i wanted one of those but thought that the SPs were clsoe enough that I needed to get the saves and see who falls to me next pick. I knew Cahill wouldn't be there but though AJ would since he is older and most people in this league run from old guys. Both went and that left me needing a big time SP since I didn't keep as many Ps this year. Dempter was still there. If he can pitch anywhere close to what he did in Chicago first half last year, he will be amazing. I expect a little worse but still good enough to help my team. He should at least get me some wins w/o costing me too much elsewhere.
5.09 89 Suzuki, Ichiro OF NYY
Either last year or the year before I had a chance to trade for him and I passed. As I was looking at the OF steals Ichiro and Pierre stood out. Pierre went already and well before I anticipated but I like Ichiro better simply because he brings more to the table and in a better lineup.
5.16 96 Masterson, Justin P CLE
i wanted this guy from the get-go. Several of you knew it already. I have had less and less time for fantasy sports lately, but moreso the last year where we sold our home and moved to an apt while we built our house. Well we built right next to Justin. Didn't know it until we were in the building stage. This guy is an incredible person. 6'7" 250 lbs and a devout Christian. I had him pegged from as a 6th round pick, so I wanted to grab him int he 5th to make sure I got him. We don't talk much about baseball, but he had an injury before last offssn and couldn't workout like he was able to this offssn. I am hoping he can get back closer to 2011 than 2012, but it is more personal to em. Someone I really wanted to root for and he is good enough to really help me. I love what the Indians have done in preparation for this team and I know I will be seeing them at least once or twice when Justin is pitching.
6.16 116 Maholm, Paul P ATL
I really like this pick. Was a little surprised he fell to me. I like ATL's support for him and think he will do at least as good as projected.
7.16 136 Pierzynski, A.J. C TEX
I put off a catcher for a long time. I did a lot of studying of other teams to find out who still needed a C and who would be left for me if I passed again. I really wanted AJ Ellis. The main thing that scares me is TFed behind him. But even though TFed is going to make the team this year--he was supposed to make it last year and be the man. Ellis fell off at the end because of his strong workload, but I think he will do better than last year and give high OBP. Arencibia is a guy I really like, but my team is not deep enough to make up for his awful OBP. I would have loved to keep the guy but just couldn't. SHOCKED he is still there but others must be thinking like me. Then you have this other AJ, who just went nuts when he hit Texas last year. I am not optimistic to think he will repeat those numbers but I still think he can hit 18-20. Soto seems to be done but should spell AJ enough. With AJ Ps obp, I think this can really help me. Seriously, his HRs should be clsoe to what JPs are with all the other numbers better. Felt he wouldn't be there on the next turn around when 4 other teams still need Cs.
8.16 156 Duda, Lucas OF NYM
This is another guy I was surprised was here. I really think he will do BETTER than projections.
10.01 181 Boesch, Brennan OF DET
I had been looking hard at Chris Young for a long time and even took Duda over him last round because I was unsure of Young's PT. I liked Duda's power but the steals and a 20/20 guy this late was intriguing. STILL, I went with Boesch because he is the starter in LF and they were saying that he will also get many ABs at DH over Hafner. Short porch in right and we know how Boesch can hit. Great lineup around him. They are saying he'd have an every day spot even have Granderson returns. Not sure how they are going to do this now that Wells is int he picture but I know they like Boesch over Hafner.
10.16 196 Young, Chris OF OAK
I had no plans at all to get another OF here. But YOUNG IS STILL THERE! I had to get him. Just hope he can find PT. 20/20 guy at 10.16 which is really like 19.16 with keepers and in a 20 team league. Then I see that my two OF prospects in Bradley and Puig are killing it--tho Puig is going to start the year in AAA. Now I may have to trade an OF--but which one? Have already been contacted about Boesch but no offer and again, who do I trade?
11.16 216 Nolasco, Ricky P MIA
Needed a P and even though he was way down on teh projections stuff--I liked him far and away better than anyone else. I love this pick for this spot int eh draft.
12.16 236 Carroll, Jamey 2B MIN
Blah. Best IF guy left with multiple positions. Gives me OBP and steals but that's a bout it. Now with my ss and 3b hurt he will be starting for me. That is a HUGE dropoff and will likely hurt me pretty bad.
13.01 241 Martin, Russell C PIT
I don't like Cs. I usually go without and not try to back them up but I thought Martin would actually help me on days needed to fill in. If not, it won't hurt me much to cut him. I didn't like the relievers left and the SPs would prob hurt me. No MIs left. The best RP I liked was Walden but I have a pick in 15 spots away and he might just be there. Didn't think Martin would.
13.16 256 Walden, Jordan P ATL
I like this guy. He has been a closer before and with the workload Venters had last year, Walden looks like he would be first to get some saves should he go down. Even if he doesn't, Walden will help me with the other stats and is not a pure save vulture.

I have to go. I will try and look at draft and give some opinions on guys I like later. Thanks for the indulgence.

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