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| Posted by: Species
- [23202714] Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:00
Welcome to the start of another Gurupie 20 season! The preseason trades are all in, the Prospect and Supplemental Drafts are complete, all undrafted players - as of this writing - are on waivers, and we are ready to roll.
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Managers may call up prospects who are on their prospect lists. You are supposed to announce a callup in our thread, including who you are cutting, and a Commissioner is supposed to do the transaction for you. NOTE: this is separate from the "call up and renounce" prospects we did prior to the Prospect Draft (i.e. Wil Myers). I am speaking of players who retained prospect list eligibility and were not part of team's 9 keepers. Guys like Manny Machado, Kyuji Fujikawa, Jedd Gyorko, etc.
Obviously this is not a requirement. They can remain on the prospect list without being called up to the main roster. Reminder: a player gets two callups and send-downs and can retain prospect status.
An example: Manny Machado has one callup/send down on his record. Tosh used him last year, and sent him down prior to keepers this year (which is part of one event of calling him up and sending him down). Say Tosh calls him up for a second time and he blows out his knee prior to exceeding prospect limits. He can be sent down one more time and retain eligibility on the prospect list through the next Prospect Draft.
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I corrected the waiver order to reflect the opposite of last year's standings.
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We have some rule proposals that - in my opinion - in the heat of all of the preseason activity did not get sufficient review and discussion. Please see below.
Thanks to all of you for your diligence to date. Our drafts went off with relatively few hitches. What hitches that did occur were mainly my errors!
Good luck to you all this season. |
| | | 1 | Species
ID: 23202714
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:13
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My memory might be lacking, but we had a pair of rule change proposals that should get vetted out a bit more before being dismissed. It is my preference to hear some pro and con discussions on a proposed changed before rushing to put it to a vote. I think we rushed into our Prospect Draft rule change last year, leaving behind some unintended consequences.....so let's aim to avoid that going forward:
1) blue hen wanted the league to consider a rule that specifies when the lottery occurs for the Prospect Draft. He wanted it done well in advance so that teams could take that into consideration when considering trades.
Points for: Managers don't necessarily know what they have when trading a Prospect Pick - either dealing one away or acquiring one. This gives clarity and perhaps opens up trading options for teams.
Points against: Managers should have to decide on their prospect keepers before knowing whether they won a top-3 spot in the lottery. The analogy used was: to win the lottery, you have to buy a ticket before you know the winning numbers. If a team outside of the top 3 jumped towards the top, they are more likely to trade away or renounce prospects only after they realized they won.
2) I would like to advocate allowing teams the choice of using additional acquired prospect picks as:
1) Like we do now....the team uses another teams prospect pick in the draft to pick anlther player; or
2) A team could use that pick as a placeholder for an additional prospect in lieu of making another draft pick.
As a condition of option 2 (as suggested by Toral, and I think it's a good suggestion), any prospect kept over 3 requires the use of another team's 1st round prospect pick.
Example. I have 3 prospects right now. Lets say I trade for 1 more during the 2013 season and have 4 prospects. If I also trade for another team's 1st round prospect pick during the season, I could use that pick to protect a 4th prospect instead of drafting another one.
Pros:
- this still keeps the integrity of our "60 total prospects " rule
- perhaps increases the value of prospect picks
- may encourage more trading
- gives rebuilding teams more options, while giving contending teams more ammo for contention
Cons:
- perhaps confusing/hard to track
- ? Ref had some concerns that weren't specified
NOTE:
- With the 2013 Prospect Draft completed, this would go into effect for the 2014 draft.
- I am at a loss as to whether or not to add any stipulations for the exemption teams....this can be debated.
To me the proposal opens up options (a good thing) while still keeping the critical structure of 60 total prospects
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I would like to encourage a little more discussion to be fair to the proposals. Neither have been called for a vote.
Thanks.
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| | | 2 | Species
ID: 23202714
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 15:21
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A point of disclosure regarding proposal #2. I already own Jaydog's 1st round prospect pick....so it is obvious that it could benefit my trading strategy if that change gets approved. However, I made that trade with Jaydog without any specific consideration for this rule change....I will be happy with the pick regardless.
That said, I am VERY UNLIKELY to trade for another prospect that I cannot keep beyond the 2014 prospect draft, as there is no guarantee any of my prospects will be ML-ready at the start of the season. Sano and Lindor certainly will not be ready. Bogaerts is debatable.
However, if this rule change went into effect, I would be highly likely to give serious consideration to adding another prospect(s). Considering that I have a variety of trade assets (Granderson, Sabathia, Teixeira, Veras) that could be very valuable to contenders, by approving this rule it (in my eyes) benefits BOTH me as a rebuilder and contenders looking to win NOW.
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| | | 3 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 16:14
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I don't really like either
I think teams should be forced to declare before the lottery. It gives some of the teams that have little prospect depth a better chance of moving up. A team shouldn't be given the luxury of winning the lottery AND the ability to trade away a prospect that would've been kept by them if they didn't win the lottery.
2 is pretty confusing. I already have a hard enough time figuring out what happens when you trade a prospect pick away. We all seem super busy and keeping track of it is just another liability for the commishes.
I'd vote no on both. Partly for reasons stated above and partly because it'll separate the really good teams/managers from the not so good managers even further. I think I fall in the middle. I'd love to spend more times on my teams but just don't have it. So mainly vote no for selfish reasons.
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| | | 4 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 16:30
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Discussion: in #2, are there to be any limits in how many prospects a team might hold (each accompanied by another team's 1st-round pick)? Could you hold...5 prospects that way? 6...7...8...?
Discussion: to point out what might be obvious, a prospect lottery occurring "well in advance" of the prospect draft would also occur before *main* keepers are established, would it not? Or what would the specific timing of events become?
Failure to foresee all the consequences of rule proposals was in my view very poisonous to the whole process of changing the timing of the prospect draft. It is the responsibility of those proposing these rules to prepare for the rule's consequences.
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| | | 5 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 16:56
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bmd: I personally don't see any extra work or issue. At the time prospect keepers are announced, teams have some combination of prospects and picks that equal 3 plus however many extra prospect picks they own. Pretty simple to me. We already account for traded prospect picks without much issue.
Toral: technically blue hen's proposal asked that the prospect draft lottery be held on February 1st.
Regarding prospect limits, I did not propose a limit initially. I suppose establishing one makes sense...but one could also argue that, so long as a team owns enough 1st rounders, what is the difference?
A good middle point could be limiting the total number in proposal #2 to five. Note: that limit of 5 would refer specifically to limiting the number of prospects that can be kept using this rule. We have precedent in R9 having a total of 6 prospects and picks after the 2012 prospect draft.
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| | | 6 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 17:48
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I have always found the prospect rules in this league to be way over-complicated. I have 3 prospects, I keep 3 prospects, I call one up or drop one, and I get another. That's about the limit of my understanding.
My general belief is that if we are at 3 per team, that's all we get. If we trade for a prospect, we have to drop or call one up. If we trade for a prospect pick, we have to make sure we can actually use it, and if it turns out we can't or choose not to, that's too bad. No special circumstances, no if's or but's. Keep it simple.
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| | | 7 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Mar 27, 2013, 18:20
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Nerf: In my opinion the simplicity you suggest is obviously significantly more resticting....and rules that restrict trading and limit options for rebuilding teams, to me, makes the league less enjoyable.
I think the aspect that balances it all out is restricting the total number of prospects and picks to 60. I admit there is a lot of minutia involved, but at the cost of a little time and understanding, to me the prospect list is the best way to acquire star players....because it is damn hard to trade for them otherwise.
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| | | 9 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 11:32
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I think it is worth noting that it takes a pretty big cost to be able to keep prospects in excess of 3. You have to pay the cost to acquire the fourth prospect in the first place......plus you have to pay the cost to acquire the extra 1st round prospect pick. That's not cheap.
In terms of competitive balance, why would this rule change things more? Teams that don't value prospects now will still not value them later. But now those teams can extract more value out of their assets, as there could be a higher demand. There are two sides to every trade....at times it is current value (ie Desmond) vs future value (ie Sano, pick).....the future value side typically takes on most of the risk. It doesn't always pay off.
I would like to see more discussion before I consider putting it to a vote. Thank you Toral for your contrbutions....I think both of your ideas make sense.
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| | | 10 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:16
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ARod undrafted free agent... it wasn't too long ago I traded him away for Alex Gordon, Dice-K and Broxton. Guess Gordon was the guy to have in the long term but I had to give up on him 2 years ago.
I wonder if Judy will look back at her Pujols deal the same way if he falls off a similar cliff.
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| | | 11 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:17
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I am going to call up Shelby Miller this week... can I just add him when I do it? I want to wait a few days.
I didn't even know about the prospect extra keeper and freeing up a prospect pick thing. Suppose I should have done that.
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| | | 12 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:51
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GO: When you are ready to officially pull That trigger, you need to post it here, including who you drop and let a Commish do it.
Everyone should give the Commishes a day or so notice if you intend to get them into your lineup.
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| | | 13 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 12:52
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Ok, just do it whenever you can then. Add Shelby, drop Henderson.
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| | | 14 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 15:59
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What's not enjoyable is not understanding all of the rules. I guess I just need someone to explain it to me like I'm 5 years old.
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| | | 15 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 17:16
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Shoulda kept Pujols for one more season and mighta won two years ago. But do expect him to decline, much like Howard has although he can eventually sit on a bench and just hit unlike Howard.
Gotta get DL in both leagues -- I hate it, but it is not fair for either league as it stands now... Aging hitters will gravitate to the AL to last longer...
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| | | 16 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 17:17
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#14. Agreed nerf! Just tell me when to drop and when to draft and how many!
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| | | 17 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 17:19
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Who was in that Pujols deal Judy? I know you got a bunch of mid level guys and picks, right?
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| | | 18 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 18:28
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So ... I take all that time to re-set, and re-enter the draft so that we can have players go through waivers. And then I'm the only one that placed a waiver claim??
Lame.
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| | | 19 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 18:33
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Re: 13 -- Henderson has been waived. Miller has been added. The Prospect message has been amended to (1).
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| | | 20 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 21:47
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Mike Leake was in that deal...that's all I remember.
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| | | 21 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 22:11
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Think Brett Cecil was too...
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| | | 22 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 28, 2013, 23:24
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Yea -- a bunch of losers, loney too and someone else...
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| | | 23 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 13:01
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Blue Hen Transaction
Call up Jedd Gyorko (1st), Release Derek Norris.
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| | | 24 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 13:32
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Now everybody can get a projection for their team! Go to Fantasy Pros , click on My Playbook, import your team and see where you place in the projected standings.
Let us know what you think.
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| | | 25 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 14:10
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I have one prediction for 19 managers in this league: pain.
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| | | 26 | Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 14:34
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BOOM... right where I want to be.
Only bad managing can screw it up at this point, no pressure!
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| | | 27 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 14:36
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You've got a good team. But I suspect you'll need more than 8 moves to win it.
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| | | 28 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 17:01
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It told me my team sucks. But I already knew that!
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| | | 29 | R9
ID: 99272420
Fri, Mar 29, 2013, 19:25
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Looks about right. I just need some of my kids to do better then the projections and I should be at the table come September.
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| | | 30 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Mar 30, 2013, 11:35
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24: That rocks Toral, thanks! Took me a few mins to figure out exactly what I needed to do, but Love it.
The four teams projected higher than me are the absolute best in our league by far. I think those four teams are the top tier. By pure guess, I figured my team was probably 8th best or so. Middle of the packish. So 5th is a little higher than expected. I thought my hitters were better than 9th and my pitchers were worse than 3rd though. I am not thrilled with my team, but I think I got some guys who will surprise you. Def. got some guys who will disappoint me and I am not deep enough to withstand the injuries form my top guys. I think it will be fun watching the top four teams and the rest of us are afterthoughts at this point. It is amazing how good they are on paper.
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| | | 31 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 18:19
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Thanks Toral.
Also works out to about where I saw me being.
Only time will tell though.
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| | | 32 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 21:38
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I'd appreciate commish help with a prospect....
Call up Aaron Hicks for the first time. Drop Francisco Liriano in his place.
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| | | 33 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Mar 31, 2013, 22:59
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[32] - processed.
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| | | 34 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 00:29
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Don't forget the OPPORTUNITY SALE at team Species!
Notice this doesn't say fire sale.....I will not give players away. However, if a deal fits my 2015 goals I will certainly pull the trigger. I have players that are very valuable for 2013....some for some years beyond that.
My rough needs and trade goals (as of this moment - always subject to change) include:
- An ace young SP to pair with Felix
- Stud 1b
- High 2015 picks
- Prospect picks
Available players include:
CC Sabathia: CC has several more years of top tier production left, so he is no rental. The Yankees might be down this year but they wont stay down for long.
Curtis Granderson: He will be back in May....so when you find yourself short on power in mid-May, hes the perfect trade target.
Mark Teixeira: Also back in May. Not the OBP hound he once was, but over a full season is a lock for 30/100.
Jose Veras: Saves. Saves. Saves. Even the expansion Marlins had a 45-save guy in Bryan Harvey in 1993 :)
Any other guys whose value can increase upon a return to health or proving their opportunity: Flowers, Drew, Quentin and Ubaldo. Or if any of my relievers get a closer gig (Bailey, Casilla, Wilson), they are ready to contribute!
Always open to anyone for the right price....but these are the guys that fill a lot of needs for contending teams. Inquire within!
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| | | 35 | darkside
ID: 1425647
Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 06:51
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Thanks, Tosh!
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| | | 36 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 11:49
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Called up Bradley for first time.
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| | | 37 | WG
ID: 517452514
Mon, Apr 01, 2013, 15:23
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1st place! If you can dream it, you can do it!
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| | | 38 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 09:59
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You sure are dreaming...
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| | | 39 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:48
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Yo Mish,
Calling up Kyuji Fujikawa, dropping Jordan Pacheco. Thx.
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| | | 40 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 09:48
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Done.
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| | | 41 | GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 10:23
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Sure glad I let Morse go.
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| | | 42 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 19:58
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So is aa!
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| | | 43 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 20:00
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It took me 3 days but I finally have a RBI!!!
thank you, Michael Brantley.
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| | | 44 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 09:46
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Roy Halladay: the guy who gets 9 strikeouts in a bad start.
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| | | 45 | GO
ID: 300542419
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 12:02
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He's gonna have plenty more bad starts sadly.
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| | | 46 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:00
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Did I miss the vote where we decided blown saves and histrionics were added as categories? Or did Great One pick up Valverde by accident?
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| | | 47 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:01
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Just kidding - I got the alert too but didn't want to drop anyone. You are the king of waivers.
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| | | 48 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:24
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GO signed him a week ago.
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| | | 49 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:04
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See? He's THAT quick.
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| | | 50 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 17:20
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Looking for a 2B or 3B. Anyone got anything?
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| | | 51 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 18:28
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Howie Kendrick baby. Team Species.
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| | | 52 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 00:50
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Soon, I am going to call for a vote on my proposal to allow for teams to exceed 3 prospects at the Prospect Keeper Deadline by acquiring another team's first round prospect pick and using that spot as an offset to keeping extra prospects. Below is our existing language. The italicized language is the language I propose to add for this rule. I think anyone who participated in the discussion knows what I'm trying to do.....but wordsmithing would be appreciated if I am not communicating it well.
This is not the time to vote....asking for some wording help only at this moment.
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At the prospect draft keeper deadline, all managers have prospect keeper spots equal to three plus the number of additional first round prospect picks they have acquired from other teams, with a maximum amount of five. Teams may keep any number of prospects up to this number. If teams with more than three keeper spots do not keep prospects equal to their keeper spots, they retain those prospect draft picks.
Teams with no traded-for first round prospect picks must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. They may keep all three or none as long as none have been traded, (see below) but they will only get as many draft picks as it takes to max their prospects at three, barring a trade.
Prospect draft picks are assigned after your prospect keepers are announced. So if you have 3 or more prospect keepers, you don't have one of your own prospect draft picks to trade. You may trade a pick at any time (even before your picks are assigned), but if you have traded a prospect draft pick - and you have no additional first round prospect picks - you may only declare two keepers. If you've traded two picks, you can only keep one and if you've traded all three, you may keep none.
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| | | 53 | GO
ID: 300542419
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 09:43
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Rickie Weeks is on the block since I got Profar coming.
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| | | 54 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 10:19
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I won't support the idea in post 50. I think it diminishes the value of 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks, and I think those are important for rebuilding teams or teams trying to collect as many chips as possible.
Species, what's your aim here? What's the overall benefit to the league of this suggestion?
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| | | 55 | R9
ID: 421142114
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 11:51
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I don't support the idea of post 50 either... Your offender is good enough!
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| | | 56 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 12:14
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I agree with blue hen re post 52. I don't like it at all. Things are getting too complicated and it seems to only help the people trying to game the system. Obviously they are not trying to do anything illegal--hence the rule change. KISS--keep it simple. Well it is all relevant.
As I have said before, I think you should have the lottery ran about the time we assign the draft picks. If it takes a hard rule to do that then I will support bh's proposal to make that happen.
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| | | 57 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 12:45
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Thumbs down on 52.
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| | | 58 | WG
ID: 45335516
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 17:35
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Nelson Cruz for a SP, anyone?
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| | | 59 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 23:25
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Frazier! What a great last 2 games.
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| | | 60 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 11:22
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Co sign.
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| | | 61 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 20:11
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I don't think you guys can co sign each other on something like that.
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| | | 62 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 20:21
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I think we're required to, actually.
:)
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| | | 63 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 20:59
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Some responses to counterpoints mentioned above or in the past on my proposal in 52:
It makes things too complicated
How so exactly?
You know what this does?? For those teams that own another team's First Round pick, it changes one thing in the entire process of our Prospect Keeper deadline:
1) The team can simply use that extra first round pick to pick a player in the draft as we have done for years; or
2) Allows that team to substitute a 4th (or 5th) prospect keeper instead of making a pick in the Prospect Draft.
- What is so complicated about THAT?
- How is that difficult to manage?
Now, if people think our existing rules are too complicated, that is a completely different issue and really too bad because our prospect list and rules should be used to every teams maximum advantage to better their team. To me, voting no on this modest expansion because a team feels the rules are too complicated as their main reason is definitely throwing the baby out with the bathwater! ANYONE who needs a step-by-step review of the process and wants to discuss with me what ways they may be able to use their prospects and prospect picks to their greatest advantage need only ask me.....it would be my duty as a Commissioner.
I think it diminishes the value of 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks, and I think those are important for rebuilding teams or teams trying to collect as many chips as possible.
Explain to me how a 2nd or 3rd round prospect pick is devalued? In our existing system, those picks are valuable and can be used to pick prospects in our draft. There is no change to how those picks would be used if we voted in this change.
Now, I would agree that the value of a first round pick is likely increased due to the ability to do more with that pick than just pick a player in the P-Draft. I don't mean to split hairs, but there is a difference between the two. A first rounder can now do a bit more so is worth a bit more.....a 2nd or 3rd is not devalued, because those picks can do exactly what they could do in the past.
What's your aim here? What's the overall benefit to the league of this suggestion?
The aim is to offer more options to both rebuilding and contending teams alike. To a rebuilding team, the option to acquire preferred prospects and retain them until they arrive in the big leagues is preferable to taking your chances in the prospect draft.
To a contending team, the ability to do more with their prospect picks and prospects gives them more options in securing the players they need NOW to win and contend. If a first round prospect pick (a renewable resource) is a key cog in a trade that gets them what they need NOW, it helps them too.
It only helps people trying to game the system
This is a really narrow minded viewpoint, Ref. Prospect picks and prospects are already a currency used in this league. This rule change gives teams who value prospects more highly another option to build their team. Are you against helping teams that rebuild? Are rebuilding teams gaming the system?
Ref - what is the real difference between:
1) Ending up with 4 prospects by keeping 3 and picking 1 in the P-draft with another team's pick; or
2) Ending up with 4 prospects by keeping 4 and using another team's 1st round pick to keep that 4th prospect???
In both scenarios that team ends up with 4 prospects. We already allow the trading of prospect picks, and to go over the limit of 3 after the draft.
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| | | 64 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 21:13
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As outlined in Post 1, I mentioned that blue hen's suggestion to have the Prospect Draft lottery completed on February 1st annually was never really discussed very fully. Any manager can make a proposal and call for a vote.....but someone has to champion/lead the discussion. Nobody has done that. Ref or bh -- feel free to do so.
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| | | 65 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 23:59
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Initially I was opposed to the changes in this year's P draft rule changes, but decided to go along and see how it played out.
Turns out that I liked it just fine. But in all honesty, I'd like to fully play it out with the exemptons expiring at the ASB, to make certain that we have this part completely acceptable before potentially complicating things by adding more changes.
This league is always evolving to make it better, but why make too many changes too soon. What's the hurry?
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| | | 66 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 10:40
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63: Species if there is no real difference then why the push to change?
64: We always had the lottery done ahead of keeper deadline. You changed it THIS year. No vote. You just decided to change it. I brought it up and YOU decided that you liked it better this way. bh objected and proposed to make it a hard rule to go back to the way it was. Likely has no bearing on me personally as I am not a prospect fan in the first place. Albeit, the only prospect who has ever done anything for me at all to this point was when I traded for the overall #1 pick and I wouldn't have done that had I not known I was truly getting the overall #1 pick.
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| | | 67 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 11:24
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63: Species if there is no real difference then why the push to change?
The comment about the difference was in response to you calling it "gaming the system".
As to my personal motivation, as I disclosed in post 2, I feel my trade options open up significantly with this option. If we don't make the change, that's fine. I will continue to work within the existing system we have to the best of my ability.
But at the same time the contenders will have fewer options because it's quite likely that they don't have the assets I want in return for my "current value" guys. This also extends to other potential trading partners - often times the contenders' best currency are prospects and prospect picks....and if other teams are full of prospects perhaps they are unwilling to take on more.
64: We always had the lottery done ahead of keeper deadline. You changed it THIS year. No vote. You just decided to change it.
One correction. As Guru clarified, we did it that way last year too.....although that was most likely unintentional and a consequence of my needing to step up and organize the league given your inability to serve as main Commish starting last year. But I sincerely don't remember.
That said, this year I had actually posted that we were going to be running the prospect draft lottery soon, at a point before prospect keepers were due. A manager spoke up and questioned why we would do so before the prospect keepers - and hence the assignment of prospect picks - were announced. I believe a second agreed, and after thinking about it, I did too based upon the argument "in order to win the lottery, you have to buy a ticket in advance".
We have no rule for when the Prospect Draft lottery should take place. Nothing was specified within the rule change to move the Prospect Draft to March. In the absence of that I made a decision as to when it would happen.
Please go ahead and propose a change if you so desire.
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| | | 68 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 12:19
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Add me to the list of "nay" and in agreement with bh and ref.
I'm fine with it as is for now.
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| | | 69 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 19:09
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My boy Masterson has been my ACE!
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| | | 70 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 11:37
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Conversely, wish I didn't drop Henderson.
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| | | 71 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Apr 09, 2013, 00:12
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So I am currently in 2nd place and still 44 points behind GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT 5.16 Masterson AND 6.16 Maholm are my staff ACES!
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| | | 72 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Apr 09, 2013, 09:12
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Make that 2nd place and 51.5 points behind GO!
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| | | 73 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 09, 2013, 17:26
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Really need to stop playing Everth or Elvis every day. Anyone need a shortstop?
Also appear to have an extra corner hitter - the four outfielders plus Rizzo and Reynolds. Let me know if you want to make a deal.
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| | | 74 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 10:04
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Dear G20, Trevor Rosenthal is my possession. I own him! Please stop adding him to your teams.
By the way, Trevor Rosenthal is on the block. Let's get those offers coming!
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| | | 75 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 15:15
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Looking for SP... anyone got 1 or 2 to move???
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| | | 76 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 18:16
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Me! Me! Email me.
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| | | 77 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Apr 11, 2013, 04:15
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Manny Machado has been called up for the second time.
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| | | 78 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 09:54
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Up to 7th place! This team is coming together nicely!
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| | | 79 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 14:02
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It's so quiet! Where's all the trash talk?
Hey darkside, you're in last place! And it's hard to figure out who is worse, Josh Johnson or Dan Haren.
Hey slizz, stop laughing at darkside - you've made the most moves and are only one spot ahead of him.
Hey WG, you picked up Arcia and he got sent down. If I was a major leaguer, I'd be hoping you never picked me up.
Hey nerf, Jose Altuve is second on your team in home runs. Buy those guys some steroids!
Hey Guru, your pitching is so bad, it makes the 2003 Tigers look like the 1998 Yankees. At least you lead the league in injured relievers, so that's something.
Hey MJD, you're right up there in runs but dead last in on-base percentage. Maybe Brandon Belt needs a break.
Hey Toral, you won last year and are only in third this year. Suck it!
And to the four teams behind Species and the 18 teams behind Ref (mine included), you all should be ashamed of yourselves!
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| | | 80 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 14:05
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Hey GO - you are a fraud and will be back down to 11th where you belong by the ASB!
I think he's right actually.
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| | | 81 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 14:15
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I'll take the over on 11th.
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| | | 82 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 20:28
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Hey JUDY, got enough players on the DL now (6 including th MI)...
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| | | 83 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 20:47
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You suck Ubaldo. Way to ruin any trade value.
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| | | 84 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 20:51
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I'm sure BH will pick him up. Just start calling him "Oliver Perez."
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| | | 85 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 22:53
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Sorry, I forget... what's the trade review process? Do/can trades go through right away?
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| | | 86 | darkside
ID: 1425647
Tue, Apr 16, 2013, 22:59
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Haren. Definitely Haren. Milone would have been a much better keeper. You're welcome.
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| | | 87 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 08:46
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I would take the humble approach or talk about how overrated I am, but I am so enamored with my pitching I am thinking anything is possible. Really missing Hanley, I was already short on SBs as it is. My hitters haven't really done a lot but they are still right there. If I can manage to get and stay healthy I could ride this synergy a long way.
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| | | 88 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 10:07
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That's more like it!
Judy, having injured players isn't really your fault. But having faith in Alfonso Soriano and Michael Young? THAT's a problem.
Darkside, thanks for Milone. You can also thank whoever took Cahill because I would have taken him instead.
As for Ref, his top producers are Lucas Duda and John Buck, so his luck has to turn around some time.
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| | | 89 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 10:54
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Calling up Jose Fernandez, SP for the first time.
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| | | 90 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 12:00
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Will make that move after tonight's games start, fyi.
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| | | 91 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 16:44
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Wow, just realized that I have Mark Reynolds, Kyle Blanks, and Tommy Hanson on my team. Two years ago, you couldn't get those three for anything.
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| | | 92 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 19:26
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88 who says I have faith in them? Not much on my team to choose rom this off season...
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| | | 93 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 20:53
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89: a Commish needs to do that. Who are you dropping??
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| | | 94 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 20:55
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85: In season there is a trade veto period. Either 24 or 48 hours.
Preseason/offseason it is Commish approval.
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| | | 95 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 21:03
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Moved Fernandez for Coke. Went through, it looks like. Can you check?
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| | | 96 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Apr 17, 2013, 23:11
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I think I'll just hold my breath.
Kinda shocked, and yes, Arencibia and Rios are shocking me, but I'll take it.
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| | | 97 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 12:30
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Looking for a big move today with Price, Sale and Corbin pitching, plus most of a complete lineup on a slow day. And perhaps today's the day Stanton or Bautista comes back.
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| | | 98 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 12:39
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Send down bradley for tejada. thanks.
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| | | 99 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 15:56
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Wow, looks like the SlizzDudes dropped Maybin. I think that's the first keeperdrop of the year. I wonder if he'll make it through waivers...
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| | | 100 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 16:03
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Tough drop, but he's not only under-performing big time, he's got a wrist injury which will keep him out 15 days minimum.
Even afterward, such injuries tend to linger and reoccur in stolen base guys, which will sap power.
It has been a strange start to this season, but Maybin, IMO, is likely going to be a large disappointment to whoever has him.
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| | | 101 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 16:05
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I wonder if that was a mistake. They were so high and confident in Maybin.
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| | | 102 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 22:35
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I have Andrew Bailey available. Pretty decent chance he holds onto the job even when Hanrahan returns.
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| | | 103 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Apr 18, 2013, 23:27
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Maybin has always underperformed. He still shouldn't be dropped especially when you guys aren't going to be competing this year.
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| | | 104 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 10:26
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Had the pleasure of meeting another G20 member in person last night, bringing my total to six. It's really great to have a reminder that we're all more than just names on a forum or on teams below me in the standings. Really enjoyed it last night (mostly because Corbin, Sale, and Gattis were awesome), and hoping for more of the same in the future.
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| | | 105 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 10:44
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Welp, that solves the mystery about Maybin. I'd say Maybin is more likely to be kept in 2014 than at least 15 percent of players who were kept this year.
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| | | 106 | GO
ID: 120252515
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 10:46
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Has anyone ever won the the G20/4 Triple Crown of NBA, MLB, and NFL? I'm sure not in one calendar year, but how about a "career triple crown"
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| | | 107 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 11:03
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Re: 106 YES!
Baseball
Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
League Champions
2002 Indianapolis "Ref"
2003 Indianapolis "Ref"
2004 Pittsburgh "Rockafellerskank"
2005 San Francisco "StL Cards"
2006 Denver "Coldwater Coyotes"
2007 St. Louis "blackjackis21"
2008 Philadelphia "deepsnapper"
2009 New York Jets "Great One"
2010 Dallas Cowboys "Peter N"
2011 Dallas Cowboys "Peter N"
2012 Slizz?
In Hoops, the former winners have been deleted. But according to the site I used to keep up to date:
02-03 Peter N
03-04 A Perfect 10
04-05 Twarpy
05-06 RecycledSpinalFluid
06-07 beastiemiked
07-08 beastiemiked
08-09 Ref
09-10 Peter N
So you can see that Pete and I have both won the "Career Triple Crown."
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| | | 108 | GO
ID: 120252515
Fri, Apr 19, 2013, 11:17
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Well Pete almost got another hoops one this year. Another day or two and he would have passed me.
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| | | 109 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Apr 20, 2013, 23:03
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Entire team is available. Packing it in. Starting to rebuild. Verlander(will take a lot), Papelbon, Mujica, Berkman, Lowrie, Gardner, etc. are avaiable. Looking for youth, prospects, prospect picks, draft picks.
If you are contending now is the time to load up. Email me.
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| | | 110 | GO
ID: 51346218
Sun, Apr 21, 2013, 09:46
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I am a buyer right now. Inquire within.
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| | | 114 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sun, Apr 21, 2013, 12:34
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Deja deja vu vu
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| | | 115 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Apr 21, 2013, 17:06
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I got back from vacation and was wondering where Maybin went.
Bh - cant say I'm not trying!!! We're making moves!!
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| | | 116 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sun, Apr 21, 2013, 23:37
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RE: 108 --- Sure made it interesting!! Congrats on the win once again. Well deserved!
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| | | 117 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 10:18
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Pete is doing well on the FA/WW this season. The rich getting richer. ;) I'm really hoping that Hanley comes back soon and provides me with what I am missing. Otherwise I am going to need a restructure. Freese has come back and not giving me what I had hoped. It's early.
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| | | 118 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 10:18
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Pete is doing well on the FA/WW this season. The rich getting richer. ;) I'm really hoping that Hanley comes back soon and provides me with what I am missing. Otherwise I am going to need a restructure. Freese has come back and not giving me what I had hoped. It's early.
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| | | 119 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 12:02
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I guess my draft pick of Jim Henderson was brilliant. Guess I shouldn't have dropped him.
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| | | 120 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 22:39
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In case you missed this:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130423/joey-votto-jayson-werth-taking-pitches/?sct=hp_wr_a3&eref=sihp
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| | | 121 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 11:10
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I have put some feelers out on Andrew Bailey. My feeling on him is I will take the chance that he is named permanent closer even when Hanrahan returns. As such, we have seen 3rd and 4th round value for even mediocre closers.
The Sox are back and Bailey has always put up strong ratios. He is a top 15 closer.
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| | | 122 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 13:12
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I also have Jose Veras of Houston.
Looking for 2015 picks for Veras and Bailey....or could loom at a prospect.
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| | | 123 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 17:44
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Sorry if I haven't answered your email in a timely fashion. Have a 1 week old and a 2 year old so my time is very limited.
Most of my guys are still available. Even if they are lowballs, I'd prefer offers over just inquiries. Looking for youth, prospect picks, or draft picks.
Looks like Mujica has the closer job nailed down. Motte hasn't even started throwing so at best he'll be back in a month or two. Feel free to shoot me offers.
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| | | 124 | GO
ID: 300542419
Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 23:04
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I've got one of those newborns. Send me an offer at like 3 am, that's when I do my best review :)
So with Valverde seemingly back I am mainly just looking for veteran non-keeper type hitters. 3B, 1B, SS, OF... maybe one more SP.
I'd also explore moving Carlos Santana if it helped me fill multiple holes in my lineup. So anyone wanting to make one of my GOcopyrighted 3-1 type offers for Carlos I'd listen.
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| | | 125 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 23:39
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I'm shopping for c-losers. Prospect Jonathan Singleton is available along with draft picks. Send an email or offer if interested. Let's make a deal!
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| | | 126 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 09:54
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If you're out of contention, I'm looking to move Tommy Hanson. He's a great lottery ticket for rebuilding teams. I'm looking for someone who can play right now. Looking for either a current closer or SP, draft picks, or prospect picks.
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| | | 127 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 14:51
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I am a buyer. I have a full load of picks and might be willing to move a prospect or two (not Puig). I have a lot of small needs though. I will not get into a bidding war. If you want to get a deal done and it can help me this season, hit me up. I don't want to go overboard because I am not sure what I will need long term. Short term it appears I need steals and some saves. However, you know me, I am willing to gamble on a big deal if you are looking to go big in the future. Heck, I could probably even help you this year for the right change of parts.
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| | | 128 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 22:36
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Mujica avaiable for a 3rd round pick. Motte hasn't started throwing so even if he comes back it probably won't be until July.
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| | | 130 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 00:18
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Trade Alert
I send Species my 2015 3rd round pick in exchange for his 2015 9th round pick and Andrew Bailey.
Species to confirm.
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| | | 131 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 00:35
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Confirmed
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| | | 132 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 01:02
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C'mon Pete, Mujica>>Bailey. :)
Nice trade guys.
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| | | 133 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 09:45
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Nice one. Great move for Species, since Bailey won't be useful when he's good again. And Pete needed a closer, since he's competing this year. I did think Pete could have gotten a lower pick sent back, since Bailey is quite injury prone and last year Addison Reed went for a 4th (and Balfour for a 7th), and he's better, more stable, and younger. But good deal all around.
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| | | 134 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 10:22
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Balfour for the 7th was in AUGUST, granting only 5 or 6 weeks of value compared to 5 MONTHS for Bailey.
A healthy Bailey (unfortunately not an easy assumption) is a top 10 closer: strong ratios....good K's.....on a good team....and young enough to be a keeper. It is not without risk for Pete....but I think it's a strong move.
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| | | 135 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 10:40
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I keep hearing so-and-so is a top xx closer. Has anyone ever made a list? Not directed at Species - I heard two other comments the other day.
Kimbrel, Chapman, Rivera, Soriano, and Papelbon seem like a reasonable top 5.
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| | | 136 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 11:29
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Once you get above a certain number, some of it is luck. Perhaps a better way is to guess who might have more than, say 35 saves at the end (the difference between 35-40 is probably more to do with save ops rather than what the guy does on the mound).
I'm not sure Papelbon will get 35 this year. But Jim Johnson certainly will. As will Chapman and Nathan, two others not on BH's list.
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| | | 137 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 12:16
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I bet PD a dollar that Papelbon finishes with more saves than Jim Johnson this year.
Also, congrats to Wazaaap Guy for taking over first place!
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| | | 138 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 21:45
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137 deal, bh.
Pape ain't getting that many ops...with this phillies lineup...
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| | | 139 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 23:17
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Judy, their lineup shouldn't matter too much since Hamels, Lee, and Halladay(if he continues his hot streak) pitch 60% of their games. It's not like he's closing for Miami or Houston.
Lance Berkman and his .450+ OBP is available. He is a DH now so it's unlikely he'll be much of an injury risk.
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| | | 140 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 00:22
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There is some risk with the trade, however, I felt it was a risk worth taking. I didn't have to trade any picks for next year(trade is for exchange of 2015 picks(not 2014)). I'm still shopping for c-losers and have prospect Singleton plus picks for next year available.
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| | | 141 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 08:48
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Hamels, Lee and Halladay have either or no decision lost their last three starts...pape can't help if we don't get a lead. And the last time pape was on the mound we had a 4 run lead so no save there!
Strange season.
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| | | 142 | Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 19:28
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Trade includes
Bmd sends 14th round pick in 2014 supp draft
Gl sends 3rd round pick in 2014 supp draft
Gl sends 1st round pick in 2014 prospect draft.
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| | | 143 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 20:58
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Confirmed
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| | | 144 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Apr 27, 2013, 22:13
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Alright, sick of this. Send me serious offers for Braun or Stanton.
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| | | 145 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 21:28
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But BH, if you don't want them, why would we?
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| | | 146 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 22:00
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Because you have a spot for them. I have to many outfielders and first basemen and don't have enough slots to play all of them every day. That's what I'm sick of. Did you think I was sick of Braun and Stanton's abilities?
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| | | 147 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 22:20
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Trade:
Pete gets Jose Veras and my 2015 10th
Species gets Floyd and Pete's 2015 6th
Lol.....my lowest pick in 2015 is a 9th :-)
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| | | 148 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 22:29
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Confirmed
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| | | 149 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 22:59
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I figured you would hold on to them so no one else could have their stats...
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| | | 150 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 23:25
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True, but more value getting a similar player at a position I can actually use!
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| | | 151 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 10:39
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Want to bring something up.
Slizz picked up Wilson Ramos and started him Saturday and Sunday, though he is not going to be activated until today. He did not have another catcher on his roster at this time. It is against our league rules to field an invalid roster (one with an injured player starting) to make room for a roster addition.
According to precedent (posts 609 and 641, among others, of the 2010 G20 thread), it seems like Ramos should be put on waivers, and Slizz should be forced to pick up another catcher to be legal by tonight's 7PM deadline.
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| | | 152 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 10:43
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Related: Nerf has been starting Michael Saunders for the last two weeks. Since there was no corresponding roster move (he hasn't added a single player this year), there's no penalty, but shame on you.
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| | | 153 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 10:53
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Yeesh. You'll never let that one go, will you bh.
slizz.....can you explain why you had an illegal lineup? Were you aware of the rule? PD should have been aware of it.
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| | | 154 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 11:20
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I did not catch that--weekend was packed for me. Slizz and I had some discussions about when to pick Ramos back up (and for whom), and it looks like he swapped Suzuki out a day or two early. Apologies.
While Ramos is likely to play again today, Slizz has picked Suzuki back up this morning so we should be good to go either way.
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| | | 155 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 12:19
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So do you just need to have one non-injured guy at each position on your roster at all times? If I'm nearing my 170 GP limit, my starting 2B gets hurt but I have a crappy backup 2B... I don't have to start him do I?
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| | | 156 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 13:39
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You don't have to start him. But you need one on your roster.
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| | | 157 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 16:07
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I read a report on hardballtalk that he was to be activated and acted on it.
I had my choice between Chooch and Ramos. Since we already have a plethora of Phillies, I went with Ramos.
Either way, Ramos got activated for tonight's game. It wasn't as if I was trying to circumvent the rules. I would gladly prospect Skaggs if I could to make room for an extra player like Suzuki...but that option wasn't there for me.
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| | | 158 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 16:28
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After hearing their explanation, I am not inclined to pursue a penalty for this...ie no tanking and he was working off of what he thought was good information.
If nothing else, it is a good reminder of our rule in this regard.
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| | | 159 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 17:30
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I think our track record among the most active teams should speak for itself :)
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| | | 160 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 17:33
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True story: he intended to have a player in his lineup for two days who wasn't going to play (or even eligible to), in order to pick up someone. His thought process: "Well, I don't want to drop Dee Gordon. Someone will pick him up!"
That is EXACTLY what happened in the Hanrahan situation.
Call it down the middle, Blue.
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| | | 161 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 17:36
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160: If I read his explanation correctly, He said he had info saying he was being activated Saturday. If so, wouldn't that be allowed?
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| | | 162 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 17:45
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"To be activated" and "activated Saturday" are different. But I don't think this is going to get anywhere, so I'll drop it. Slizz obviously isn't cheating, although I'll maintain that I wasn't either.
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| | | 163 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 17:47
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Anyone in favor of changing the rule? We talked about doing that last time but never did.
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| | | 164 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 18:05
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The rule is intended to prevent cheating. The fact than non-cheaters are occasionally caught up in it doesn't mean, IMO, it should be done away with, particularly since we have no other means of clearly stating the will of the league to have active players of each position on our rosters at all times.
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| | | 165 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 22:51
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Well PD was on your side last time bh. Actually most of the league seemed to be on your side.
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| | | 166 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 23:03
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162: Thank you for letting it go after their explanation. I do appreciate your diligence and attention to it and totally acknowledge your point.
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ID: 34731299
Tue, Apr 30, 2013, 09:37
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He asked me to look at it yesterday. He picked up Suzuki and asked if he was now legal. I told him he would be if Ramos was activated today. He said that he picked up a catcher. I said, well you don't have an active UTIL because Morrison is on the DL and Gordon and Ruf are in the minors and you need active hitters on your roster at each spot (they don't have to be in the lineup). So he was going to make his team legal before the freeze if Ramos wasn't activated. He was activated and the point is moot. While BH is right, Slizz didn't intend to go against protocol and when made aware of his mistake, took the appropriate actions to correct it. There was no advantage to him IMO. If anyone understands this it is Species who had to make tough cuts in the past to keep his team legal during his rebuilds.
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| | | 168 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, May 01, 2013, 12:23
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Told you guys Bailey would remain the closer. Nice job Pete.
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| | | 169 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, May 02, 2013, 09:11
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Trade announcement:
Tosh gets Howard Kendrick and Species' 2015 8th
Species gets Tosh's 2015 5th plus whoever he is dropping
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| | | 170 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, May 02, 2013, 09:12
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My 2015 draft will currently be over in round 7. :-)
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| | | 171 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, May 02, 2013, 12:45
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169 confirmed
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| | | 172 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Fri, May 03, 2013, 03:37
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168 - not looking too good today.
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| | | 173 | Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Fri, May 03, 2013, 08:57
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Not a great month for my squad...
Three total HR's from Josh Hamilton and Jay Bruce w/ a combined OBP of .290.
Brandon Phillips leading my team in HR's (5) and RBI's but without notching a steal.
Aramis Ramirez getting predictably hurt after only 4 games.
The usually dependable Juan Pierre putting up a .256 OBP (thank god for the 9 steals).
Matt Cain pitching to a stellar 6.49 ERA without notching a win.
Johnny Cueto getting hurt after during his 3rd start.
If not for the unexpected hot starts by Ervin Santana and Torii Hunter, and the fast development of Matt Harvey, I'm sure I'd be in real trouble. Hopefully the rest of the team picks it up before those three inevitably show regression.
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| | | 174 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, May 03, 2013, 12:09
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It's been a rough month for my pitching too!!! I knew my hitting was pretty bad but thought I'd be able to compete with the best of the worst with solid pitching.
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| | | 175 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, May 03, 2013, 20:56
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172: Just a maintenance day.....just a maintenance day :-)
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| | | 176 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, May 05, 2013, 01:01
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Meant to do a first month recap, since you're all interested in blue hen's team.
The big story of this first month has to be the play of several draft picks. Mark Reynolds, Tommy Milone, Patrick Corbin, Jason Grilli and Everth Cabrera have all been pretty amazing, and set the team up well, especially when the stars play as expected. We can add waiver claim Evan Gattis to that as well; his power is legit.
The stars have struggled, but some have started to pick it up. Really looking forward to what this season brings.
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| | | 177 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, May 05, 2013, 20:33
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Commishes...I'd like to call up Hyun-Jin Ryu for the first time. Please drop Ted Lilly in his place.
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| | | 178 | GO
ID: 300542419
Sun, May 05, 2013, 21:38
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Guess the big bad Marlins were too much for ol' Doc Halladay...
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| | | 179 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, May 05, 2013, 22:04
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177 - processed
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| | | 180 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, May 06, 2013, 02:45
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Fortunately, it looks like Halladay is hurt- means he hasn't lost a thing, and will be great when he gets healthy.
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| | | 181 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, May 06, 2013, 11:46
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Both Miami and Cleveland lit Halladay up--neither team is exactly an offensive powerhouse. So either he was injured and silently pitched two games while hurting (which doesn't bode well for his recovery) or there is something else also going on.
Something is wrong, that's for sure.
He's 35. This is the time in a pitcher's career where the excellent ones separate from the very good ones (usually because of staying uninjured)
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| | | 182 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, May 06, 2013, 12:12
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LOL......looks like one of the other Commishes didn't appreciate my sense of humor :p
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| | | 184 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, May 06, 2013, 14:44
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When you are out of it, you have to find ways to entertain yourself.
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| | | 185 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, May 06, 2013, 15:17
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So he's been injured for over a year and never told anybody? This isn't exactly a new level of performance. His stats (and velocity) have fallen off a cliff the last year and more... you have to wonder if its the old age or a serious injury.
This DL stint smells more to me like -- lets just put him on the DL and hope he figures out what the heck is going on without him getting shelled every fifth day.
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| | | 186 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, May 06, 2013, 17:05
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I'm wondering how calling up works. We get 3 callups? Is there a limit on how long they can be called up?
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| | | 187 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, May 06, 2013, 21:42
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Thanks, Tosh!
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| | | 188 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, May 07, 2013, 13:05
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186: Nerf -- prospects may be called up and sent down twice in their prospect lives. Each time they are sent down, they must adhere to our stated prospect limits.
A prospect on an active roster who is still within prospect limits at the end of the season is automatically sent down. You then have the option of retaining him on the prospect list at the prospect keeper deadline before the prospect draft.
Manny Machado is a great example. He was called up to the Orioles last year, and Tosh called him up to his active roster. At the end of the season, Machado was still under the prospect limits, so Tosh retained him on the prospect list and did not have to name him in his 9 keepers. When the season started, Tosh called Machado up for a second time. I haven't checked, but most likely Machado has now exceeded his prospect AB limits and would not be eligible to be sent down again.
Stephen Strasburg is another great example. Ref called him up.....and he subsequently blew out his elbow and required Tommy John surgery. Since he was under our IP limit, he was legally sent back down and Ref got to store him on the prospect list for that year he missed.
Where you have to be careful is with prospects who might only get called up for a cup of coffee or as an injury replacement. Take Anthony Rendon on slizz' list. He got called up to replace a DL'd Zimmerman. The rumor was that he would only be up as long as Zimmerman was out. Slizz quite smartly did NOT call Rendon up for just a 15-day stint on his roster and use up one of his two callups. It makes a lot more sense to wait until you think someone is here to stay....just in csse they get injured like Strasburg.
EVERYONE please make sure you have a clear understanding of our prospect rules. They are (IMO) a critical tool in your arsenal. If you need clarification....ask here or contact a Commish privately.
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| | | 189 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 07, 2013, 14:36
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Great description...
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| | | 190 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, May 07, 2013, 16:00
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Thanks Species.
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| | | 191 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, May 07, 2013, 23:01
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You could use Jose Fernandez in the "here to stay" example. As much as I'd love to have him as a prospect for next season and keep someone else...there is no way he won't hit his innings limit so I might as well get whatever I can out of him.
...if I could only prospect Skaggs now :)
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| | | 192 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Wed, May 08, 2013, 00:30
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Garrett Jones(1b/OF) is available. He's a stud vs righty pitching(25 homeruns last year vs right handers). Started off a little slow but he hits his home runs in bunches(he hit one tonight). Not looking for too much so feel free to shoot me an offer. Looking for a prospect pick or draft pick upgrades.
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| | | 193 | GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, May 08, 2013, 09:14
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With Middlebrooks injury I'm looking for a veteran 3B. For picks (draft or prospect). Non-keeper is fine.
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| | | 194 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, May 08, 2013, 12:42
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191: True....but the beauty of the callup rule allows you to use him while keeping prospect eligibility in case he gets sent down or (heaven forbid) gets injured....at least until he reaches his limits.
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| | | 195 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, May 08, 2013, 16:28
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I guess I'm looking to trade Halladay. Hard to figure out exactly what he's worth, and he happens to be my favorite player, but I'll entertain offers.
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| | | 196 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, May 08, 2013, 17:36
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Manny Machado now has 331 career ABs, so I guess I will renounce his prospect rights.
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| | | 197 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, May 08, 2013, 21:17
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Is he on the block (machado)??
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| | | 198 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, May 09, 2013, 00:45
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No. I'm still planning on Machado being my SS of the future.
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| | | 199 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, May 09, 2013, 08:50
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196: And with that, Tosh gets down to three prospects. Heis now no longer an exemption team and is in compliance with our normal rules. The next deadline for him is next March as normal.
R9 has until the All-Star break to get down to three prospects.
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| | | 200 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, May 09, 2013, 09:19
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I wouldn't be so sure Machado gets back to SS anytime soon.
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| | | 201 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, May 09, 2013, 10:29
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Roy Halladay to the waiver wire. Just can't see him coming back and tough to make him a keeper even if he's great in August and September.
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| | | 202 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, May 09, 2013, 11:29
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Smart move. I love halladay as much as the next guy...but even if he does come back he still isn't keeper quality until he proves otherwise (kinda like peavy, berkman, etc.)
Tosh - what if he is just 3B??
You should offer him to the contending GO for Profar! Lol.
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| | | 203 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, May 09, 2013, 14:38
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I'm getting a fair amount of interest in Kevin Gregg.
Anyone else?
Looking for a 2014 or 15 pick upgrade.
Granted, he's not elite and not a secure job at this point, but he is the Cubs guy now, has been reliiable, and his competition is acclimating to a new culture and coming off an injury.
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| | | 204 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, May 09, 2013, 15:27
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Tosh - what if he is just 3B??
That means I have 3B (Cabrera) and DH (Machado) filled for the foreseeable future.
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| | | 205 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 09, 2013, 20:38
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Re: Halladay
I just went through a similar surgery for a full tendon tear (not detachment) due to a bone spur -- without any labral involvement.
I am at the 6 month post op milepost and there is no way I could throw a tennis ball much less a heavier ball, although my pickleball skills are returning! But I am a bit older than Roy...
I think 2014 is the first we will see him, if ever again. The rehab is a difficult and painful one.
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| | | 206 | GO
ID: 300542419
Thu, May 09, 2013, 22:13
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Curt Schilling (who I think is a pretty good opinion on these things) predicts when they open him up and start working on stuff it will be worse than the 3 months the doc's optimistically told him. They are gonna find more was his prediction.
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| | | 207 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 09, 2013, 23:39
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Re the bad call on the HR ball.
Can't some engineer design a yellow shape -- maybe a triangle -- where the bounce of the ball determines whether it was out or not. That is, if the ball comes back in, it is in play; if it skips out of the field of play it is a HR. Or there is a flower bed behind the yellow line (one park has that I think) so the ball plunks there and stays plunked.
There has to be an engineer/physicist who can make a design that would be mandatory for all ball fields and then there would not be this stupid problem. Asking the umps to make line calls on an in the air ball from 100 feet away is asking for trouble -- especially without a side view camera.
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| | | 208 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 09, 2013, 23:41
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GO: at the three month mark, I was still just in the stretching part of the rehab. No strengthening until 4 months.
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| | | 209 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, May 09, 2013, 23:58
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Halladay = Carpenter.
Maybe he can still deliver post injury. However, for the purposes of this league, he isn't a keeper anymore. He's a guy that will definitely get drafted and that owner will have to cross their fingers he is healthy.
Translation: I won't be using my waiver priority on him :)
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| | | 210 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 10, 2013, 08:34
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Me either...
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| | | 211 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 10, 2013, 10:20
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Judy lives! It's been a while since you've posted. Welcome back.
Just wondering - heading into Halladay's final start, what would you have traded for him? I was considering looking at offers, but ultimately and unfortunately decided to wait it out.
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| | | 212 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, May 10, 2013, 11:23
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Trade Announcement
mjd traded Kevin Gregg, ChC RP to REF
REF traded A.J. Pollock, Ari OF to mjd
mjd also gets Ref's 5th round supplimental draft pick. Ref get's mjd's 14th. Picks are for 2015 draft.
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| | | 213 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, May 10, 2013, 11:27
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yep
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| | | 214 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 10, 2013, 11:28
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Nice trade guys.
I'm giving this one to MJD. I don't think Gregg is worth a 5th rounder, although maybe he does keep the job a while. I'd be scared of Fujikawa and also a trade.
Really interesting to see 2015 picks getting traded around so much.
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| | | 215 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, May 10, 2013, 11:36
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You can thank species for that!
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| | | 216 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, May 10, 2013, 12:09
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Could've asked for 2014 picks, but my prospect Appel is looking pretty good at Sanford, so I figured I'd wait on him.
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| | | 217 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, May 10, 2013, 12:14
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He isn't worth a 5th rounder and I don't think he will hold the gig that long tbh. Cubs don't give their closer many opps in the first place, but with Putz being out for maybe a couple months, I needed something. Sometimes you have to overpay in a pinch. I don't mind getting the short end of deals. Pete has taking me to the cleaners a number of times. Thing is that I need to take some chances if I want to try and change something.
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| | | 218 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 10, 2013, 12:34
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Yep, I understand why you did it and I considered something similar although wasn't ready to give up a 5th for it. It's early in the season and if you get four solid months out of Gregg, you do win.
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| | | 219 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Fri, May 10, 2013, 12:55
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RL issues have kept me from doing anything but setting my lineup for a while.
The team looks hopeless...but how am I ever going to get my transaction total up now?
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| | | 220 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 10, 2013, 21:09
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211: vacation
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| | | 221 | GO
ID: 300542419
Sat, May 11, 2013, 09:00
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TWO one hitter complete game shutouts last night with a WHIP of 0.11. Never seen that before.
LOST points on the night. Nice.
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| | | 222 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, May 11, 2013, 23:32
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Welp, Species got Halladay and Slizz got Blanks. Surprised one of the other non-contenders didn't jump in there.
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| | | 223 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, May 12, 2013, 03:03
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GO. That was my innagural season back in 2010. Pitching couldn't really improve my standing there as my ERA / WHIP was 20 / 20.
If anything, it solidified those cats for you.
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| | | 224 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 12, 2013, 11:18
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222: I saw upside in the K rate (inside joke)
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| | | 225 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, May 12, 2013, 11:37
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I will trade pitching for upgraded hitting.
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| | | 226 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, May 12, 2013, 13:23
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Thought about Halladay, but I tend to think his days as a top starter are over.
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| | | 227 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, May 12, 2013, 18:42
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And there's McCarthy, with eight shutout innings for WG. Good news: I know which players to pick. Bad news: not always at the same time.
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| | | 228 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, May 13, 2013, 20:35
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Commishes....I'd like to send down Aaron Hicks. Please replace him on my roster with Charlie Blackmon. Thanks!
On a side note...I went to the league homepage on ESPN to read what the AB limits were to make sure Hicks was still eligible to be sent down and I didn't see the rules anywhere. Where should I be looking? Didn't they just used to be on the front page, along w/ links to the league 'site' on angelfire?
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| | | 229 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, May 13, 2013, 20:51
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darkside - just go ahead and do that one yourself for now. Nothing that needs Commish oversight.
The limit is 300 career ABs. The current constitution can be found here.
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| | | 230 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, May 13, 2013, 21:08
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Thanks very much, Tosh!
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| | | 231 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 14, 2013, 15:02
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1 Wazaaap Guy 310 334.2 8.348294434
2 allhair allstars 263 309.1 7.65771595
3 Ref Guru 359 368 8.779891304
4 GO's Gaslight Anthem 322 332 8.728915663
5 youngroman's Luschen 247 279 7.967741935
6 Team GoatLocker 292 303.1 8.670405807
7 Blue Hen 324 362.2 8.050800663
8 Jay Dog 295 324 8.194444444
9 Team Nash 324 339 8.601769912
10 Team Tosh 217 306 6.382352941
11 Toral Blues 254 263.1 8.688711517
12 Niner's Niners 260 260.1 8.996539792
13 Team mjd 299 391 6.882352941
14 Roto Guru 194 250.1 6.981207517
15 beastiemike d 208 201.2 9.30417495
16 darkside of the moon 238 301.2 7.111553785
17 Team Nerfherders 236 273 7.78021978
18 Sam n Max G 208 307 6.09771987
19 Endangered Species 198 218.2 8.166819432
20 Keep Calm and Chive On 260 299 7.826086957
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| | | 232 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 14, 2013, 15:03
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There's your league-wide K/9 report. Enjoy.
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| | | 233 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, May 14, 2013, 18:55
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@paulfichtenbaum: Ugly stat: over the past 30 years, 95.7% of pitchers the Mets drafted never won a game for them
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| | | 234 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, May 14, 2013, 18:56
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232 what's to enjoy about that list? :)
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| | | 235 | allhair allstars
ID: 524221419
Tue, May 14, 2013, 20:30
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Patiently waiting for the wheels to come flying off. An unprecedented period of general health helping things out tremendously, but my notoriously fragile team is ripe for a serious fall.
How's that for optimism.
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| | | 236 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Tue, May 14, 2013, 23:19
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Against my better judgement, I started both Kazmir and Zito today. Its no wonder why my ERA and WHIP are in the toilet.
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| | | 237 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, May 15, 2013, 02:03
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Anyone got SP to spare? Let's talk!
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| | | 238 | GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, May 15, 2013, 11:48
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I just gave BH some props privately but thought I'd share here. Not sure if anyone plays both -- but ESPN gets the starting lineup info LONG before Yahoo does on a regular basis. Sometimes I can set lineups on weekdays at 4-5 PM before I leave work. Yahoo is usually like 30 min before game time I need to check in.
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| | | 239 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, May 15, 2013, 15:28
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More specifically, looking to move Adrian Beltre, Josh Donaldson, Eric Hosmer, or Nelson Cruz for SP. If interested in discussing, let me know, thanks.
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| | | 240 | GO
ID: 120252515
Fri, May 17, 2013, 09:13
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Did anyone else look up Ramon Ortiz to see if it was the same Ramon Ortiz that was on LAA years ago? I wonder how some of these guys still have jobs. I year under 4.00 ERA in his career. career stats
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| | | 241 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 17, 2013, 09:46
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Yep, it's definitely Little Pedro.
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| | | 242 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, May 17, 2013, 10:36
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238: I have noticed that. It really helps.
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| | | 243 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 17, 2013, 11:29
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Thanks for the props guys. Happy to help.
Now can anyone please give me a good pitcher?
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| | | 244 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, May 17, 2013, 13:08
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Hey guys.....been out for a week on a golf trip.....sorry I haven't responded to some inquiries.
Sabathia and Granderson are ready to be traded. Looking for a quality keeper in a 2-for-1 ish type deal. Best contender wins.
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| | | 245 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 17, 2013, 17:04
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Not that I am in a hurry to trade him, but he does duplicate a position so I could do it in the right type of deal....but Francisco Lindor, Cleveland SS, was already ranked very highly on most prospect lists. He continues to track very well as a gold glove shortstop (point being -- he does not need to move from SS) with high OBP, decent power and strong SB potential.
From Keith Law's recent blog post about the SS crop in the minors:
"The breakout performance among these four prospects so far -- small sample size caveats apply, of course -- has been Francisco Lindor, the Puerto Rican-born switch-hitting 19-year-old who sports a .406 OBP through 36 games in high-A already this year. The Cleveland prospect, taken at No. 8 in 2011, is a plus defender and runner who makes a ton of contact, striking out just once in his past 57 plate appearances. He doesn't project to hit for much power, probably 10-15 HR at most, and isn't as advanced a hitter right-handed as he is left-handed, but he's also the age of a typical college freshman and is already on target to finish the year in Double-A. "
Everyone should get familiar with him....he is on track to be a top 5 or top 10 prospect by season's end.
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| | | 246 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, May 17, 2013, 23:02
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Great trade by WG and GO. Good work, fellas.
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| | | 247 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 17, 2013, 23:04
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Nice trade guys...
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| | | 248 | GO
ID: 514141722
Fri, May 17, 2013, 23:14
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Thanks.
I am thinking I move Middlebrooks potentially if anyone has interest in a young 3B and can give me immediate help.
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| | | 249 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, May 17, 2013, 23:21
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Thanks... perhaps now I can stop starting the likes of Freddy Garcia, Jerome Williams, and Carlos Villanueva.
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| | | 250 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, May 18, 2013, 13:16
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Granderson/Sabathia trade includes Great One's 2015 3rd for my 2015 6th.
Love the dueling trades.....and a contender-on-contender trade.
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| | | 251 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, May 18, 2013, 17:26
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No picks in the Hosmer deal.
Looking to trade my youth: Hosmer, Gattis, Gyorko, Corbin, Straily, Dahl, Capps, Rondon, Rosenthal.
Anything that gets me pitching this year (ideally a SP over 30 who still has it) will be considered or other offers if you have them.
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| | | 252 | GO
ID: 10461822
Sat, May 18, 2013, 23:06
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Picks in above trade confirmed.
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| | | 253 | beastiemiked
ID: 84491911
Sun, May 19, 2013, 12:49
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Anyone else notice Espn screws up starting lineups occasionally. I know a couple of times they've shown guys not in the lineup only to be wrong and they'll be starting.
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| | | 254 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, May 19, 2013, 16:30
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Yes, and so does Yahoo. Really pisses me off sometimes.
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| | | 255 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, May 19, 2013, 21:43
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Even on days he does not play, moving Miguel Cabrera to the bench feels wrong.
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| | | 256 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, May 20, 2013, 11:01
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Damn.. a little time capsule I just found after discussing with Species.
Trade 5/12/11
GO acquires Kotchman, prospect rights to Shelby Miller, SP, STL
BH acquires JJ Putz
Trade 5/13/11
GO acquires Matt Moore, SP, TB and prospect Casey Kelly, SP, SDG
Species acquires Rajai Davis, OF, TOR
and in the not much has changed... maybe BH wants too much for these guys file -- 5/13/11
BH - "Looking to deal Matt Kemp or Jose Bautista. Looking for a keeper quality third baseman, a closer, and a starting pitching in return."
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| | | 257 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, May 20, 2013, 11:27
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The years might change, but blue hens demands don't.
Talk about a foundation builder on those two trades.
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| | | 258 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, May 20, 2013, 11:59
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Pretty sure I made the right call not dealing away Kemp or Bautista in 2011, and also pretty sure the demands were appropriate.
The Miller deal stings, especially because I set the saves record that year. But if I hadn't gotten Putz and had gotten one less point, my half-championship goes away. Parts of flags fly forever.
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| | | 259 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, May 20, 2013, 13:08
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If the demands were appropriate you would have moved somebody in 2+ years.
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| | | 260 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, May 20, 2013, 14:24
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If I had to venture a guess, I'd say bh is top 5 in trades the past 2 years. Probably top 3.
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| | | 261 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, May 20, 2013, 14:40
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Thats likely as he was fighting for the title and making lots of deals, also far and away the most add/drops (great historical info on ESPN in TranCounter...) but he's also been trying to sell the same guys from 3 seasons ago til now to no avail.
I also guarantee he leads in trades offered. Most people don't proactively search out trades like some of us do.
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| | | 262 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, May 20, 2013, 14:54
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Yeah......Moore was a means to an end. He didn't come up until 2012 and I dealt him for something I needed....like bh said....if I don't get those steals....my shared title is kaput. I couldn't afford to keep him.
I am always happy when a trade works for my trade partners. I have probably traded more All-Stars in the last 5 years than anyone. I should count it up.
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| | | 263 | GO
ID: 120252515
Mon, May 20, 2013, 15:00
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I'm still remembering my classic A-Rod for DiceK, Alex Gordon and draft pick (Broxton) deal... if I still had Gordon it would have been good. Unfortunately I had to give up on him after a couple years.
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| | | 264 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, May 20, 2013, 15:08
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To me, the biggest thing is tenacity. You're going to make good trades and bad trades, good picks and bad picks. The key is to bounce back. For example, I definitely shouldn't have kept Roy Halladay this year. But I did, and that's a sunk cost, so I need to figure out how to move on and get value elsewhere. I once drafted Scott Sizemore at 1.04 and then took Jose Bautista eight rounds later.
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| | | 265 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, May 21, 2013, 09:34
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Jayson Stark shows the volatility of closers.
Today's @MikeAndMike trivia: Only 3 CURRENT closers under the age of 30 have 100 career saves (or more). Can you name them? Tough one!
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| | | 266 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:13
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Kimbrel For sure...
Bailey?
Chris Perez?
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| | | 267 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:16
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Meatloaf says 2 out of 3 ain't bad... not Bailey.
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| | | 268 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:16
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It is a good trivia question. Nice post.
Going off the top of my head:
1. Huston Street
2. Papelbon
3. Carlos Marmol
Took me a minute but there would be my guesses.
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| | | 269 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:19
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...and papelbon was born in 1980. lol
Marmol is 30...lol. Has 117 saves!
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| | | 270 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:23
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Of course Papelbon is older than we thought, fits right in on the ancient Phillies.
Huston Street is it. Turns 30 later this year.
Kimbrel, Street, Chris Perez.
The only (current) closers consistent enough to have approx 3 good years closing games in their 20's.
Broxton does too but not a current closer.
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| | | 271 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, May 21, 2013, 11:23
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Paps must've been a old rookie!!!
I remember you sending the "papelbonfire" gif via email his rookie year when Spell took the title.
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| | | 272 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, May 21, 2013, 13:19
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A trade coming with darkside when he gets home.
Beltran for Delmon Young
GO's 2nd Round 2014 for darkside 7th Round 2014 (Beltran)
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| | | 273 | darkside
ID: 1425647
Tue, May 21, 2013, 14:09
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I confirm the trade with Great One.
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| | | 274 | GO
ID: 120252515
Thu, May 23, 2013, 09:10
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Delmon Young HR's in both games after I trade him. He must be mad at me.
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| | | 275 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 23, 2013, 22:06
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On vacation getting lotsa queries about cliff lee. Will need somethings in return, young and good. Will get back to those who inquire(d) when I get home this weekend. Ok?
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| | | 276 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, May 24, 2013, 13:33
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mjd needs to drop Gausman. He is owned as a prospect.
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| | | 277 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 24, 2013, 16:44
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We should alphabetize the prospect list so it is easier to find guys and not make misteaks.
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| | | 278 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, May 25, 2013, 01:32
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Sorry about Granderson GO....that is rotten luck
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| | | 279 | GO
ID: 59420257
Sat, May 25, 2013, 08:20
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Ugh. That does suck. I should probably look at pairing Granderson + Middlebrooks for an OF upgrade.
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| | | 280 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sat, May 25, 2013, 11:13
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The Middlebrooks injury is probably a good thing for you--the guy was hitting .201 and has been a disappointment this year--he's hitting 100 points lower in slugging, OPS, and OBP.
Makes the choice to sit him much easier now that he's injured!
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| | | 281 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, May 28, 2013, 15:25
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...and now 2 keepers from my team have been jettisoned.
Thought my claim on Ackley would pay off...he's been beyond awful.
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| | | 282 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, May 28, 2013, 18:45
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The number of disappointing MI is large, and growing. Zobrist, Castro, Reyes (injured), Hill, Desmond, Rollins, Prado, Weeks...
Congrats to Toral (Kelly Johnson) youngroman (Segura) bh (E Cabrera) and GO (Peralta) for picking the best MI surprises so far.
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| | | 283 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, May 28, 2013, 22:10
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282 don't forget utley...
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| | | 284 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, May 28, 2013, 22:22
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Sending down Fujikawa for the first time - replacing with Chatwood.
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| | | 285 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, May 28, 2013, 22:39
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Utley too. He's at least got the excuse of being injured! he was having a good comeback year until he went down.
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| | | 286 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, May 29, 2013, 07:17
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Honestly, for the sb value he brings....Cabrera was one of the best picks, if not the best pick in the draft.
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| | | 287 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, May 29, 2013, 07:50
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Worst pick, by far, was definitely Hellickson.
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| | | 288 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, May 29, 2013, 13:13
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Anyone interested in swapping prospects? I've got Addison Russell, SS, but looking to move him since I have Elvis Andrus now. He's #10 on Keith Law's updated prospects list.
Or, anyone interested in Tony Cingrani? Cingrani + Russell for a SP (prospect or active)? Cingrani, Russell, Gerardo Parra for a SP or hitter with pop?
Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 289 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, May 29, 2013, 13:38
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I'm still looking for a hitter. Need obp/steals. I have Pitching and a couple really nice prospects as well as draft picks. Either I am a buyer quickly or I will have to turn into a seller.
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| | | 290 | Species
ID: 434222913
Wed, May 29, 2013, 14:22
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Sent out a few emails to teams that have DL'd players in their lineups.
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| | | 291 | Species
ID: 434222913
Wed, May 29, 2013, 14:27
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284: Noted. Fujikawa sent down for the first time.
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| | | 292 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, May 30, 2013, 23:07
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Really appreciate you guys letting WG get Dominguez...
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| | | 293 | allhair allstars
ID: 335717
Sat, Jun 01, 2013, 08:17
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Pretty sure the latest I've ever been in first place in this league is Day 1. The sun's gotta shine on a dog's ass once in a while, right?
Enjoyin' the ride - livin' the dream. ;)
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| | | 294 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jun 01, 2013, 09:54
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Pretty cool that WG and you are at the top considering you were each lotto teams.
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| | | 295 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jun 01, 2013, 23:38
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Agreed. Very nice to see some new blood. Scary to think what will happen when the guys who are down get good again.
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| | | 296 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sun, Jun 02, 2013, 03:00
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Bonderman available for similar HOF caliber type of player. Of course, I already have a deal in the works with bh so doubt he'll be available for very long.
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| | | 297 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jun 02, 2013, 10:31
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Sweet. I'll pick Jim Thome up off waivers and then we can make a deal.
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| | | 298 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 00:01
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Confirming the blockbuster with NO PICKS
Pete gets:
Giancarlo Stanton
Eric Hosmer
Didi Gregorius
Tanner Scheppers
BH gets:
Prince Fielder
Max Scherzer
Shin Soo Choo
Tim Lincecum
Andrew Bailey
(exhale)
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| | | 299 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 00:45
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Wow, seems like Pete got raped.
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| | | 300 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 01:18
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Are we allowed to vote on trades?
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| | | 301 | Judy
ID: 28523116
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 01:40
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Two things: how is a trade of 4 guys 100% owned plus another guy equal to 4 guys, with the only one owned 100% on the DL.
Second thing: when I went to vote on it, it said my team already voted and I did not. What's up with that?
Third thing: I agree with nerf.
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| | | 302 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 08:52
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Wow.
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| | | 303 | Ref
ID: 13211515
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 09:15
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I am trying to make sense out if this...but failing.
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| | | 304 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 09:30
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300: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/pendingtrades?leagueId=28926
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| | | 305 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 09:35
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Commish - Please call up Puig for first time. Might as well. I can't hit a lick as is.
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| | | 306 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 09:40
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Ref.....who do you want to drop?
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| | | 307 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 11:40
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I received an email voicing concern over this trade. Our rules for in-season trades are simple: if there are 7 votes against, it gets vetoed. That is where you need to direct any attention. If you have concerns, you may respectfully post them here if you wish....but ultimately you have thru today to veto on the website.
Offseason trades are reviewed and approved by a Commish.
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| | | 308 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 11:51
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It would be nice to see Pete N's rationale for the trade.
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| | | 309 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 11:53
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I was just about to ask the same, Toral.
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| | | 310 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 12:58
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I want to hear Pete's side too, but I'm not waiting on his explanation to veto it.
Time is of the essence with the short review period.
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| | | 311 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 13:10
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307: exactly! I looked and there are 6 vetoes on the site. One more and it will be vetoed (I think someone with commish privs has to click on the veto button tho if I am not mistaken--we have only had this happen once and it was a mutual request to veto it after a misunderstanding of the picks involved).
My view is to ALWAYS give the managers the benefit of the doubt. Just because a trade is not "equal or even close to equal in your mind, doesn't nec. mean it should be vetoed. We have some great managers int his league who are good at negotiating what is best for THEIR team in short OR long term outlook. It is not our job to try and save a manager from himself. Maybe someone wants to go all in on prospects. Maybe someone is just overpaying now to get what they need to make a run now. Maybe you don't consider the upside to a young guy like the manager who is trading for him is? Maybe a team simply needs more keepers or is trying to dump extra keepers? So many things to consider.
In this case though, I just can't find it on my own. Nothing in any of the examples above can be found. Pete is a great manager and a skilled negotiator. He is fair and I enjoy trading with him even though as fate would have it he always seems to get the best of me--whether it is injuries or sudden poor play or just one of the many gambles I take that fail. Not sure what is going on here, but for perhaps the first time ever, I see a deal which can really upset the balance of the league with minimal (if any) impact in the future for Pete. Like Toral and PD said, I'd love to hear from Pete on this.
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| | | 312 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 13:32
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I agree Ref, but with the short review period (24 hours?), we can't afford the luxury of waiting.
With a good rationale from Pete, they'll be able to present it again.
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| | | 313 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:06
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There are ALWAYS negative knee-jerk reactions to "mega" trades in this league. Case and point:
Ref's deal with me last season:
Matt Holliday, David Freese, Boesch, and some closer (Francisco?)
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Cameron Maybin, Anthony Rendon, Xander Boagerts
PD and I were vilified for making the trade...especially by Blue Hen who demanded we post analysis. The only one who didn't rake us over the coals was GO, who felt Rendon was pretty valuable by himself.
Looking back, I would make the same trade 10x out of 10. PD and I may have a difference of opinion on Maybin, but that trade allowed us to keep Todd Frazier, who I'd still take over David Freese, got us Jose Fernandez, and the best hitting player (ops) in the minor leagues (Rendon). Ref is happy as well, while he gave up premium prospects, he was able to replace them with Puig and Bradley, Jr.
Let these trades pan out. If Hosmer becomes something other than what he is now, an enigma...it's not a bad deal. Pete is taking on a massive risk for what he got in return.
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| | | 314 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:09
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Don't get me wrong...if I didn't get lucky in the lottery, Puig would've been the pick instead of Jose. Who knows who Ref takes than!
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| | | 315 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:11
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I'll let Pete give the full version, but we worked hard to hammer out the details.
First, Scheppers and Bailey cancel out, if that. Bailey is a save away from an injury, and Scheppers is an injury away from a save.
Hosmer and Didi for Lincecum is also even. Just choosing which wacko to gamble on.
Finally, Stanton. The price has always been three keepers. Ask the two other people who have been close to Stanton over the years. In this case, it's three keepers who are near or at 30. Is Shin Soo Choo really part of Pete's rebuilding plan? Given other offers I got for Stanton, this seems right.
One last thing, do we veto for lopsidedness or collusion? If it's lopsidedness, I want that clearly documented in this thread, because this is far from our first lopsided trade.
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| | | 316 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:20
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We veto for collusion. Lopsidedness has a lot of leeway. But it isn't a barrier to vetoing (nor, I should add, is it a barrier to getting booted out of a league).
As above, I'm just interested in hearing Pete's side of the trade. Obviously he values those players in a particular way. In lieu of an explanation, I would have thought some picks would have been exchanged for balance, but that's just my opinion before hearing Pete's rationale.
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| | | 317 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:37
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I think those that voted to veto should have to voice why they think the trade is collusion. We've allowed other lopsided
I think it's pretty lopsided but Pete has always been one of the better managers in our league. I trust that he's made the trade in the best interest in his team.
Last year we let the Ref/Slizz deal go through eventhough Slizz thought he could keep more prospects than he could. If that trade goes through I don't see how this one gets vetoed.
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| | | 318 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:39
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That said, would like to hear Pete's side. Fielder, Scherzer, and Choo aren't exactly going to stop producing in the next year.
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| | | 319 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:42
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I didn't vote, but I would vote against any trade that was so lopsided that no rational manager could have made it, and I think that something like that is the standard most people apply.
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| | | 320 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:47
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313: I hate my end of this trade. I'd rather have kept Rendon and Bog. I did it to make a run now and gambled away my future. Holliday is on downward slide and Freese is never going to be a blue chip it seems. That closer killed me and was hurt before I dropped him.
Stanton worth 3 keepers? Delusional. As bad as I need hitters, I wouldn't trade Wainwright for him. Yet you want Wainwright. We all tend to overrate our own players though. What's the old adage about something is only worth what someone else wants to pay for it? Keep the trades flowing. It's always fun!
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| | | 321 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:54
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317: eventhough Slizz thought he could keep more prospects than he could. That is NOT why the trade went through. I offered and really BEGGED slizz to redo the deal and he said no. He felt he SHOULD be able to do keep more since others could (and I agree). But the BS of I promised him he could or I somehow manipulated him is complete BS. To have my integrity questioned like that for all I have done for this league was hurtful. And that deal was a future deal for a team rebuilding. He got back two blue chip prospects as well as a keeper in Maybin. I got Holliday and Freese which haven't exactly panned out. To have this trade compared to that one is astonishing. I wish you would have vetoed that one.
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| | | 322 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 14:54
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I dont vote against unless collusion... otherwise it would have to be Yunesky Betancourt straight up for Bryce or Trout for me to vote against.
But both sides of this deal have value and Pete is actually getting the best keeper player involved despite paying a bit too much to make it happen. and Hosmer is still real young too right?
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| | | 324 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 15:07
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If you voted against this trade, what would I have to add to get your vote?
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| | | 325 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 15:15
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I voted against. In any league I've played in, trades can be vetoed not only for collusion but also if they upset the integrity and competitive balance of the league. Clearly no collusion here. But I have difficulty forecasting any timeframe in which Pete's team benefits from making this deal.
Re: 317... I would share the reasoning behind my veto but it, along with everyone else's rationales, might negatively affect BH and Pete's ability to negotiate a new deal?
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| | | 326 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 15:25
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Pete is a good manager as evidenced by his past championships in the gurupie leagues. Let him speak before bombing this deal.
If Hosmer pans out to be what Pete thinks he will be...he will have a solid, young, nucleus of players.
Prince might be faced with weight issues later on and it will leave BH with only Scherzer as a lomg-term keeper-quality player...Meanwhile, Pete will still have Stanton and Hosmer as his long term players...
But that's where the risk lies...Eric Hosmer. I don't believe that Hosmer is a premium name and neither do a lot of us...but all it takes is 1 of 19 (not counting bh) to believe and Pete falls in that "1 of 19" category.
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| | | 327 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 16:36
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Its not our job to police a league member to make what we think are good trades. Especially for a league member that has already won this entire league and clearly knows what they are doing.
If I thought Giancarlo was gonna be a future MVP and 1st round type for the next 10 years, and a lot of people do -- 2-3 keeper caliber players for just him alone I wouldn't bat an eye at paying to get him. So adding on some other guys to swap around isn't really that big of a deal.
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| | | 329 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 17:30
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I did note vote....and would not have voted to veto the trade.
I think bh came out with a material win in this trade.....even so, I was surprised by the swift, decisive veto.
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| | | 330 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 17:31
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I think people are forgetting that Hosmer was a top 50 keeper this year. He's sucked so far this year but he's 23 so he's still a very good longterm keeper. They are also probably forgetting that Stanton isn't going to be a Marlin next year. His numbers have been muted because his team sucks. It's scary to think of how many more pitches and RBI opportunities he'll see on a better team.
From Pete's perspective, the trade is essentially Stanton and Hosmer for Fielder, Shoo, and Scherzer. Doesn't seem bad for a team not looking to compete for a year or two.
Like others have said, Pete has won the championship before so he should receive some leeway on his moves.
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| | | 331 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 18:22
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I agree with 327. Interested to see Petes response...
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| | | 332 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 19:54
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Disagree with 330. Hosmer has sucked ass for a year and two months now. He really regressed in 2012:
- avg down from .292 to .234
- obp down from .334 to .304
- slg down from .465 to .359
He has improved his ba and obp ytd 2013, but if you can believe it he is slugging a pretty pathetic .333 this year! Yikes!!
Trust me, I wanted Hosmer going into this year and bugged bh about him all winter. WG and I had multiple discussions about him, but as his regression continued, my interest went further south than his slugging percentage. He is not without value....and he had a similar one-year regression in the minors.....but turned it back on the following year. He has shown no such rebound this year.
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| | | 333 | beastiemiked
ID: 5257319
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 20:07
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Hr/fb ratio is way down his career average. That accounts for why his slg percentage sucks balls. He's been unlucky this year.
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| | | 334 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 20:21
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Folks who disagree aren't looking at the big picture here. As much as I would like to think I can compete this year or next, the pieces aren't there for me so I'm looking to 2015. Stanton is the big piece that I'm looking to capture. The following was my thought on the players involved (with a look to 2015):
1. Prince Fielder --- Has serious weight issues and will be in his 30s. Could easily see a parallel to Mo Vaughn's career here.
2. Max Scherzer --- He's had his ups and downs and I've had him every step of the way since selecting him as a prospect. In a good groove right now, but worth trading for chance at Stanton? Absolutely
3. Shin Soo-Choo --- Selling high here. I believe he is playing way over his head right now. He's also had a career marked with injuries and not a long-term solution in my outfield.
4. Tim Lincecum --- Sadly, he's just become a flashy name and I don't see him returning to his CY Young days ever again. He's pitched so poorly this year and after a disasterous year last year. If he didn't have the huge salary, he'd be demoted in a heart beat. As it stands now, talk of going into the bullpen.
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1. Tanner Scheppers --- Folks in Texas raving about this kid. He's already being groomed as closer in waiting for when Nathan retires. Not a key piece to the deal, but nice to have looking to 2015. He'll be in my keeper mix.
2. Eric Hosmer --- He hasn't played well this year, but the tools are still there and he's only 23. As mentioned, top 50 keeper this year and very nice long term keep I can pair with Freeman at 1st base.
3. Didi Gregarious --- Youngest SS in the majors, age 23 with some pop. Definitely has the tools and shortstops with pop dont grow on trees.
4. Giancarlo Stanton --- Folks, this is why I pulled the trigger on this deal. He's bolting out of Miami first chance he gets. I rate him #1 KEEPER in all of baseball. Potential for decade of MVP caliber play is no joke. He's only 23 and the sky is the limit for this kid. Nothing egregious off the field that has me worried he won't stay focused. He just needs to get out of Miami which will happen.
So, there you have it. I'm a bit insulted this trade was veteod, but if we all agreed it wouldn't be any fun. As it stands, I've now lost the ability to gain my #1 keeper in all of baseball which is what this trade was all geared around.
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| | | 335 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 20:26
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Sorry, forgot to include Bailey. Certainly has the tools and I did give up a pick for him back when I thought I had a shot. Don't see any longterm value though.
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| | | 336 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 20:30
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I tried to look at the upside of Pete's take in the trade and while there is more long-term potential there, it doesn't begin to cancel out the short-term gain for a team that is already very good. And when I say short term - that is at least 2-3 years for the likes of Prince, Choo, and Scherzer. One could reasonably argue that Stanton for Fielder is an even trade by itself.
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| | | 337 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 20:33
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Back in the day Prince Fielder was involved in another of these "top young keeper" deals. He and *3* other keepers (OK, the 4th keeper was marginal) for Justin Upton -- alone. No one complained about that one, although one manager did contact me and ask me what I was thinking. And Fielder was younger then.
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| | | 338 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:12
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Yeah, Gregarious isn't getting much talk here and its really hard to find a young decent hitting SS in this league - so I think that was a smart pickup as he's shown he's a decent offensive player so far. So you gotta gamble a bit before these guys really emerge like Segura has this year as well.
If I owned Choo (who I also agree isn't all that great) and needed a young SS Gregarious is a decent bet to swap into. Young SS's are more valuable than average middle aged OF's.
Choo never wins anyone a league... he just doesn't kill you and helps you finish 6th. Not the kind of guy I want to have as a keeper anyway.
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| | | 339 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:18
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There are a lot of wildcards in baseball, but even more in real life. I could be dead in three years (no, I am not expecting it). So when it comes to fantasy baseball personally, anything more than two years is long-term planning. If I don't think I can win this season, I'll try for a top-10 now and make trades that see me improving in 2014, but I'm not going to plan a strategy based on 2015.
I just see BH getting three keepers in 2013, 2014 and probably 2015, plus a closer, for Stanton, Hosmer, and two wildcards. Pete would likely not be seeing a competitive edge to this trade until 2016. I did not place a vote, but was leaning towards a veto at that point this morning.
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| | | 340 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:19
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I do not see Stanton as equal to 3 keepers. The guy can't stay healthy! The assumption is that Fielder will decline quickly, when he has already proven himself and he is in the DH league. Choo has skills/stats that do not decline with age and he is only 30. Scherzer is steady. Lincecum is well -- who knows?
I am not sold on Hosmer. Not enough evidence that he will be as good as he is supposed to be.
There is too much to be gained by bh relative to what is gained by Pete, even when considering Pete is looking to 2014 and 2015. I'd be curious to see if the trade went through who his keepers would be for 2014...would they be better than if he keep the guys he traded?
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| | | 341 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:26
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In the newly accepted deal, in addition to what's on ESPN, this also includes two prospects: Pete gets Bruce Rondon and David Dahl.
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| | | 342 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:33
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Confirmed.
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| | | 343 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 21:37
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It would be really useful if in the prospect name chart on ESPN League page (maybe across the top above Draft Rounds?) if you could put the AB/IP Limits... I always forget and have different limits in different leagues.
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| | | 344 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 22:07
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This now a bit more balanced, but it still sets up both bh and Pete to contend in 2014-2015, with bh getting stronger for 2013 as well, so really what's the point here?
Unless Pete really wants Stanton at all costs...
Would really like to see each managers projected keeper lists for 2014...
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| | | 345 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 22:14
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What does it matter if Pete is strong for 2013 if he's planning for the future? He should continue to stockpile injured and devalued assets at a discount while their values are down.
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| | | 346 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 22:43
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The players given to bh also make his team strong for 2014-2015 so what really does Pete gain except a 2014-2015 competitor who has more better keepers than he does?
It can also been seen as a trade of established (but not necessarily old) stars for those who might become stars. Yes? It is a gamble that the young uns will produce in 2014-2015 at the level the established stars already do and will continue to do in 2014-2015. Risky.
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| | | 347 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 22:54
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Judy,
I respectfully disagree on your email telling me I'm getting screwed. Did I veto your Pujols for a bag of balls trade? Even though I thought you were getting screwed, I didn't because I felt like you were doing what you thought was best for your team. I also don't veto unless I feel like there is collusion. Back when MJD traded Big Papi plus Strasburg for Tim Beckham, I felt like he was getting owned by Ref but again did not veto with the same line of thinking as your trade. Turns out, both of those trades were big Ls for you and mjd, but that's part of fantasy sports. You win some and you lose some.
My whole point in all of this is even if you don't agree, don't insult me with a veto on a trade that was rehashed a few times and ultimately proposed by me. I will never collude and see this trade putting me in a better position to contend for a TITLE in the future. I happen to have a few of those in the g20/24 nfl, nba and mlb leagues and would just like to respectfully agree to disagree on the value of Stanton and Hosmer.
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| | | 348 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 22:58
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I did not veto the second trade. I just do not see the value in it for you. My opinion. Time will tell.
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| | | 349 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 23:16
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346: True, but this mirrors what happens in real baseball.....older, productive stars are dispensed for young prospects. And just like in real baseball, it is very hard to acquire young stars when they are established......so you acquire them before they are stars and you hope they pan out.
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| | | 350 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 03, 2013, 23:19
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You gotta buy them on the way up and of course thats a gamble cause they don't have a track record yet but thats the only way to get ahead... and get rid of the older guys before they start to fall back down the hill cause it can be a stiff and swift decline. Just ask (undrafted?) A-Rod.
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| | | 351 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 00:30
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My random thoughts on all this:
No one is colluding here. Either we have no review, and all trades go through, or we have a review and those of us who voted against are free to vote against if we feel that a trade is unbalanced or violates the integrity of the league.
Personal valuations are obviously what its all about, but perceived values matter as well. Judy, Slizz, Species and I can be soured on Hosmer but all that matters is that Pete likes him. However, just because I think Puig will have a better career than Miggy doesn't mean I can swap them; it would be neither prudent nor fair.
It's important to improve one's own team. It's also important to not disrupt the competitive balance of the rest of the league. All those guys that Pete is trading have a ton of current and short-term value by any metrics. Prince is a stud. Choo has a lifetime .386 obp and is at .441 this year. Scherzer has 250 K upside. He might think he is helping himself for the future but to me it seems the rest of us are getting screwed for the next 2-3 years. Those of us competing for this year are especially adversely affected. This is not always a concern when making trades, true, but I personally would not have made a trade that disrupted this year and potentially next year or the year after so much league wide... different philosophies.
When evaluating the trade, we look beyond just the players involved but also at the makeup of the teams, yes? I figured Pete would try to trade Prince or Freeman since both are awesome, but in doing so, not sure why you'd want to commit to another young 1B and lock up your Util slot for the future as well. Also, Scherzer is awesome and I don't see another surefire SP keeper on your squad... for the same reason I thought it odd to let Lincecum go. Not sure Didi counts as a SS with pop... he had 23 HR in 2082 PA in the minors. Pete has to keep Singleton and leave one slot open for his 1st round prospect pick... that only leaves one slot for Dahl, Rondon, Perez, Vitters. Hanson? All told, I thought it way unbalanced as did the other vetoers... no one intended to insult.
Hosmer was a top 50 keeper before? I know, I overpaid for him! But valuations change bigtime. Chris Davis was an afterthought preseason and is now going to keep Miggy from winning the Triple Crown. We're a third of the way into this season, and Hosmer has struggled now for a year and a third, so its probably fair to reevaluate his value.
50 million cigarette smokers can't be wrong, right? There's a reason this trade is causing so much uproar and debate and why 7 people voted against right away.
End rant.
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| | | 353 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 01:01
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347: Pete don't list the highlights of a trade to try and further your points and leave out key parts of it. My trade with mjd was for his prospect pick. I also gave him a 1st and a 5th as well as Beckham and another player. I had to take Papi with it and he was hurt and stinking that year. Also remember that he sent a league wide email saying that he was trading this pick and if you wanted it come strong as he was going to accept the best offer. Yes I used the pick to take Strasburg and anyone in their right mind would have done the same--but he had never made a pitch yet in MLB and didn't sign until the last minute.
Remember screwing me over so bad twice in one year that you kept apologizing to me? My response? Don't sweat it. I gambled. I lost.
But it is one thing to gamble and lose on a player or two. here we are talking 4 studs for basically one right now. And that one right now is hurt and when he is healthy he is playing for the Marlins.
Pete, you and I have had some talks that go very deep and personal and I know you are a great person. You have won all three leagues with me and you care deeply for this league. I think the reason WG and others are so upset is because this deal truly upsets the balance of the league now and in the future. What does it cost bh in the future? There aren't any picks. As WG said you can't even keep the prospects you got. I know you love the Rangers but Scheppers has little value until he actually closes. I was a big Hosmer fan too in the past and although I am rooting for him, I just don't see it happening. Hope I am wrong. Didi was a FA pickup in April so not sure how long he can sustain--but def not a guy I'd say had pop. Though he is owned by 63% of leagues. That looks pretty good compared to the other 44%, 19% and less than 1% ownerships. Lincecum alone is owned by 82% while the other 4 are owned in every single ESPN league. I don't think this deal is different than the one earlier today tbh.
Personally, I have no chance to beat bh before this deal. But now no one has a chance. So why worry about things anymore? And why try and trade for the future when I won't have a chance then either? 1 or 2 players can have injuries or slumps etc. But 4 or 5 guys? While losing only 1 impact player who really isn't impacting right now? I get the trying to win now and sacrificing your future but nothing seems to be given up there either.
I think when people talk about deals they aren't talking about the trade as much as how it impacts them. Something this big needs to be discussed IMO. We have never seen a deal like this in the history of our league.
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| | | 354 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 01:22
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Most important point in all of this: none of this is personal. On a personal level, two people in this league are pretty close friends of mine, and I have needed their friendship lately. In this league, we try to get advantages any way we can. We don't always agree on talent or on interpretation of the rules, but please be clear that you guys are the best of the best in fantasy and I am proud to compete with you.
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| | | 355 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 01:30
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If people really feel like this trade upsets the balance of the league, then I will resign. I do care about all 3 leagues, but I won't turn a blind eye to insult after insult.
Ref,
I have a lot of respect for you and appreciate all you have done as the glue that keeps all of these leagues running. I can't stand by though and see myself get run over, over and over again, on a trade that I feel puts me in a better position to compete in the future.
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| | | 356 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 01:51
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Pete, I meant no disrespect and didn't intend to try to sway people's vote or anything... just offer my opinions. Also, I didn't want to do that either at first because I thought it would be unfair to you and BH if you were to resume negotiations anew. Since this new version didn't quite address the issues I saw in the first place I thought I'd offer my thoughts.
I primarily play on Yahoo, so you can check for my titles on there... there's quite a few :)
And like BH said, nothing personal... in the grand scheme of things its just a game... but what a fun game it is!
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| | | 358 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 02:24
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Stick it out, Pete. The best revenge is winning after getting grilled.
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| | | 359 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 12:46
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No one else will just come out say it, so I will. This trade basically hands bh the championship on a silver platter, this year and probably 2 more.
The second trade is just putting a little lipstick on that first pig. It's unbalanced and totally screws up the competitive balance of the league, possibly for years and could ultimately destroy the league entirely.
I vetoed this one and for thhe sake of the life of this league urge others to do the same.
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| | | 360 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 13:12
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I love being on the West Coast. This is not the convo I wanted to see this morning.
Pete.....I really don't want to lose you in our leagues. Nobody does. I am sorry that you feel so slighted by the comments and I beg you to reconsider.
With that said, the league has to act on this trade in light of Pete's resignation. If we cannot get him to reconsider, I feel there is no choice but to disallow this trade and let a replacement reconsider this deal.
.....which sucks BIG TIME for blue hen, who negotiated in good faith with Pete....and then for the good of the league added additional value to try to appease those who felt the trade was not in the best interests of the league. I do not like making this choice at all and am against the league making decrees of this nature/policing the teams . But if Pete's decision stands I feel we have no choice.
While I am the lead Commissioner, this is not a dictatorship. If the league thinks we need to go a different direction, let me know. Nicely. But I think this decision to be in the best interests of the league, and specifically the good of the franchise that is Pete's.
Note: if Pete reconsiders....then this new trade is still up for a veto vote.
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| | | 361 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 13:59
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The second trade isn't veto-worthy, IMO. Vetoing a trade because it seemingly makes one team a championship-caliber team isn't a good enough reason, particularly since Pete has clearly made the trade for longer-term reasons.
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| | | 362 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 14:08
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Pretty sad what this league has come to.
You guys have basically ran out one of the best managers in the league and blackballed the other one.
Who cares if this trade basically hands bh the championship to blue hen? Did you see his team before the season? He had by far the best team. He's ran into a lot of bad luck and was still in a great position to win the league. He had Braun, Stanton, Kemp, Bautista, and Price. 4 of those guys were top 10 picks and the other top 20. Not to mention Rizzo, Sale, and Andrus. His 5th best keeper was rival to some teams best keeper. If that wasn't enough he had 3 of the top 18 picks. He also landed the 2nd best steal of the draft with Evereth Cabrera in the 4th round.
If Stanton is putting up Chris Davis like numbers does the trade still get vetoed? Doubtful. However, Stanton is still the better longterm keeper despite not doing much this year. People seem to be so shortsighted in this trade and are vetoing based on how it affects their team. In 2 years who will likely be the only top 25 fantasy keeper in this trade? Stanton of course.
Some of us have noticed how cheap some fringe keepers can be had at the keeper declaration deadlien. WG received Davis for a 6th rounder this year and that was the ONLY offer I received for Davis so I probably would've take less. What's that got to do with this trade? Well to me it puts even more value on the perennial top 10 keepers. If you can lock 2-3 of those guys it's super easy to add the pieces to contend especially when those 2-3 guys are under 25.
I was contemplating making a major move with bh for Stanton. It started with Verlander and was going to include at least 2 more keeper worthy players. Lucky for me I didn't waste my time working out the fine details of the trade on Sunday because I was with my kids. By the time I was home the Pete and BH deal was done. If I had wasted my time only to have it vetoed I'd be handing in my resignation as well.
To those top managers that vetoed this trade out of your own self interest, make a move! I've been dangling piece after piece of valuable players but have received very few serious inquiries. I'm a pretty stingy trader so some of the trades were not going to happen regardless but I know there are plenty of other guys willing to deal. If there's anything this league has shown throughout the years is you have to be willing to sacrifice your future in order to win this year.
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| | | 363 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 14:52
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1. I hope Pete N. changes his mind. I didn't vote to veto either trade, but discussion of a trade's merits isn't an insult. People should try not to take things as an insult or a questioning of their integrity at the drop of hat.
2. Thought needs to be given to the criterion of destroying the competitive balance of a league. When a contending team trades with a rebuilding team it will (almost) always "hurt the competitive balance of the league" -- for this year. Otherwise the contending team wouldn't make the trade. There will usually be a number of trades for closers before the trading deadline that hurt the competitive balance of the league. The question has to be whether the trade destroys or severely impairs the competitive balance of the league over the long term, and I think a lot longer ahead than Tosh would. When i started rebuilding, it was a five-year plan.
I agree that the trade helps bh immensely this year and if I was contending I'd be pretty upset. However, that's what happens when a contending team also has young talent to deal. The question is whether the trade destroys etc. the competitive balance of the league over the long term, and I think not. There's no guarantee Fielder will even be better than Stanton next year, and Choo and Scherzer, while nice players, aren't the type of keepers who guarantee championships. Sometimes as a contender when another contender makes a nice trade, a steal even, you have to grit your teeth and take it, particularly in a league like this with some master traders. Many a "sure champion" in June turns out not to win in October.
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| | | 364 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 14:59
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363: Great Post.
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| | | 365 | GO
ID: 300542419
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 15:28
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I'm a contender and I have no problem with BH giving up his best long term asset for some short term veteran guys like he got.
I'm looking to add more as well. That's what you do in an arms race like this. Plan and trade for today or tomorrow... just don't sit idly by or you'll be in the middle forever.
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| | | 366 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 16:39
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I am sorry to have upset Pete. But I looked at the trade as if I would do it (the original one) and I just did not see the value. The second one does provide some balance. It is true that you need to balance future (how far?) vs current rosters. Only nine keepers also makes that harder, but good extra players can be leveraged for picks down the line.
This season, my sorry team has both Cliff Lee and CarGo whom several of you covet, but I did not feel that I was offered enough to help my team in the future, so I have not pulled the trigger. Yes, I did screw up the Pujols deal but that was early on in this keeper league, at that time a new experience for me.
Pete, I hope you reconsider. These posts are not meant to demean you, they are just questions from people like me who did not understand the rationale behind the trades. Two years ago I made a lot of moves to try and win and I am still paying the price (18th place). It will be a long climb to even get to medium for my sorry, aging and unskilled team (they kinda resemble the Phillies in that respect...)
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| | | 367 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 16:42
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First off, thank you to those that have messaged me. I appreciate it. I let my emotions get the better of me and its because of the time and energy I've poured into these leagues since their inception over a decade ago. Nothing compared to the commishs, but I've been a member since day 1. Although the events of this trade have left me with very bitter feeling, I have decided to re-consider and would like to stay in all 3 leagues. I owe it to some of the really great folks I've become friends with and have a great amount of respect for. Sorry Species for the hassle.
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| | | 368 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 16:50
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Great news, Pete N., especially in football. That's a very competitive division and I figure I'll beat you there sometime just by the luck of the draw.
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| | | 369 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:22
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Sweet! Glad you're staying, Pete. Is your gf on her period?? Maybe you were having sympathy cramps and were overly emotional??? :p
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| | | 370 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:34
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Too soon...
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| | | 371 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:35
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BTW I think that this is an appropriate time to mention that the standard for vetoing a trade ought not to be 7 votes. I don't even think that was the intention when voting was instituted (I believe after the Dmitri Young/ Adrian Beltre incidnet.)
1. 10 votes ought to be needed to veto a trade (more than half of the non-participants).
2. A vote on a trade ought to be requested on this board, held only after 4 or 5 managers request it. The vote ought to be public., on this board At least 48 hours should be allowed to vote.
Toral
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| | | 372 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:49
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I like them both.
I also thought of another rule that has been bugging me for a bit. I know Species has been acquiring a lot of 2015. Perfectly fine under our rules. However, I think we need to start limiting how far in the future we can trade picks. I was thinking that picks shouldn't be able to be traded more than 2 drafts away. So for example, you won't be able to trade your 2016 picks until after the 2014 draft.
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| | | 373 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:51
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Thank goodness. Pete may fly under the radar--esp. lately, but he is one of the best managers around. I started playing against him when he was still in high school.We have been through so much and used to spend hours and hours talking on IM--many times hours and hours on things not related to fantasy sports at all. Even though he has graduated high school and college and now works for a living and we don't have the time to talk like we used to--I would still have a huge hole if I wasn't able to get with you when needed. Twarpy is long gone, but he still trade emails and he is doing well.
Bottom line is we all value players differently. We all use different strategies. We all tend to value our own players a little more than their present value (sometimes future value too). If we all had the same ideas and values--this game wouldn't be much fun. It's funny that one of the people who got too personal last season with Slizz and my deal has recently let me know that he now has flipped and thinks Slizz got the better end of the deal. Hindsight is 20-20.
The last thing we want to do is veto a trade that we look back on in the future and say 'you know what, that trade wasn't that unbalanced after all.'
I would have not even said a word at all had it appeared that bh was actually giving up something in the future to win now. Maybe others think he is. I agree with comments on the "Arms Race" and the grin and bear it. I love the competition. I think 99% of the trades other people need to keep their nose out of it. Is this trade a member of the 1%? I think it is the biggest trade ever made in any of our leagues and merits discussion. I don't think it is personal at all. If it was me instead of bh, I would have been drawn and quartered by now. :) What I would ask each manager to do is go in and vote. If you think the trade should go through vote allow. That way if it is vetoed, we can see where others stood. I don't think you can change your vote once you vote though. I don't think the 2nd trade is substantially different from the first one but others have stated they disagree with that. Just know this. Two good managers who have put this much time into this are not going away. This trade is going through in one form or another. Better get that through your mind right now. If not today, then prob in the next couple days.
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| | | 374 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 17:59
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371: Another trade worth mentioning. When Khahan was in the league I made a deal that sent Dmitri Young with my 2nd and 4th rounders for Beltre. Beltre had left the Dodgers and wasn't having a great year after injury but I wanted to try for some more homers. Dmitri started out great but hadn't been producing as much lately. We made the deal and 3 people quit over it. It was not vetoed, but Khahan and me were obliterated. I asked Khahan if he would mind rescinding the trade in order to help bring peace to the league and he agreed. The league was overjoyed. Then Dmitri went nuts and helped me win the league while Beltre went down and wasn't even kept. Again multiple people including all three managers who quit apologized saying they were so wrong. That is exactly what I don't want happening again.
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| | | 376 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 18:17
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372 bmd: I agree with you on that. No trading of draft picks more than 2 years away. If someone wants to argue for 3 years I will listen.
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| | | 377 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 18:31
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372: Why? What is the rationale for that limitation?
- Dooms a team to very low finishes during that waiting period?(maybe....maybe not)
- Perhaps encourages complete teardowns during a rebuild?? (What's wrong with that?)
- By putting off the cost of a trade an extra year or two to the team giving up the picks, they get too much "present value"?? (I can see that one)
- some of all of the above?
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| | | 378 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 18:35
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377: perhaps it allows a manager to gut his future, and then potentially walk away from the league when that time comes?
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| | | 379 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 18:35
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371: I agree that 7 seems a low number. Bluntly I was pretty surprised when I checked the rules. Let's discuss prior to drafting a formal proposal.
Speaking of which, I added all of the rules to our league page on ESPN....I think there had been multiple suggestions/requests to do so....
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| | | 380 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 19:25
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More random thoughts:
We ran/blackballed them how? By vetoing a trade we thought was unfair during its review period and then commenting on why we did so? What's the point of the review period otherwise?
Why have a trade review at all? We were chastised for voicing our opposition to this one. Can't we just let every trade go through instantly? Seriously, with this great group of managers no one will ever collude.
Saying we vetoed to preserve our own self interest is both unfair and insulting. I can just as easily say some of you don't care because you are not competing this year, and therefore are indifferent to the outcome of this. I am necessarily more vocal about it because it directly affects me, but even if I was in 20th place I would see fault in a trade that so swiftly shifts the balance of power in the league and hurts so many in the short term.
To me, people seem too farsighted. A lot can change in a couple of years and many can't miss guys do in fact miss. What if Stanton doesn't become a perennial 50-HR bat? Prince, Choo, and Scherzer are delivering immense value now and likely will for the next 2 years as well.
Not sure where this disregard for and dismissal of Choo and Scherzer's merits come from, but IMO they are precisely the kind of keepers that you want and that help you win championships. Scary thought that 30 year old guys in their prime are short term value guys.
It's true that we all value guys differently, and trades that seem unfair now may prove otherwise in the future. This still doesn't mean we can't evaluate them now based on the information at hand, even taking into account the keeper and prospect aspect.
One last concern, a byproduct of this trade, is how it hampers trade activity going forward this year. I imagine very few people will now give up younger guys to acquire solid vets for a run at the 2013 crown, and even fewer will trade picks to acquire needed help.
I do have a lot of respect for you all and this league and that's why I am being so vocal here. If I didn't care at all I wouldn't waste my energy or breath in formulating thoughts and responses. Even though the odds of winning are now greatly diminished, I still will check every day (probably multiple times a day), make more moves than everyone but BH (maybe more than him now that he has no one to drop :), and bug you all with trade offers and inquiries. Looking forward to good camaraderie and good competition... both in the short term and the future!
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| | | 381 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 20:05
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Uh oh
Major League Baseball will seek to suspend about 20 players connected to the Miami-area clinic at the heart of an ongoing performance-enhancing drug scandal, including Alex Rodriguez and Ryan Braun, possibly within the next few weeks, "Outside the Lines" has learned.
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| | | 382 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 20:20
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See?
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| | | 383 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 20:20
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I'd have thought that most if not all managers in this league would have developed pretty thick skins by now, being how nearly every move anyone makes is evaluated/dissected/criticised and debated.
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| | | 384 | beastiemiked
ID: 29556419
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 20:56
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Evereth Cabrera in the report too. Bh, still shoe in to win though.
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| | | 385 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 21:17
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382
enlighten me
See what?
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| | | 387 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 21:21
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I've been formulating an opinion over the last few years that the league is broken. It may be a fundamental aspect of keeper/dynasty leagues like this, but I don't know since this is the only one I've ever been in. Anyway, it's nuts that fully half of the league is not competing every single year. Just crazy. What's just as crazy is how quickly people give up. Like, immediately. There's talk in the preseason thread about players getting hurt and maybe that means they should just rebuild.
Honestly, it makes the league pretty boring fairly early in the season. Certainly part of it is the lack of time I have to try to negotiate trades and stay active, but the fact that this bh/Pete trade is in the eyes of some a reasonable deal is a good indication of the absolutely nutty value this league places on young players who are relatively (completely?) unproven. For every Mike Trout there's a Justin Smoak, Brandon Wood, Dice-K, can't miss young gun who is going to turn your team around, only they don't.
That said I wouldn't have voted to veto it because I knew both managers wanted the trade and there have been few trades here that I thought were 'good' so if I were to veto this I'd probably have to veto most trades.
Good luck to everyone, except blue hen, who really is the Yankees of fantasy sports. Who thought it was a good idea to let a guy in the league who's job is to follow sports for the company we run our league through?!?
;)
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| | | 388 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 21:25
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385: you never know
387: "was"
Also watch out for WG- he is a much better manager than me and can take even yokel's team to the top.
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| | | 389 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 21:53
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Seriously. Congrats bh on winning it all. You have the system down pat.
I'll just putter along and watch the slaughter. Now you won't need all those moves that never made any sense anyway.
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| | | 390 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 22:20
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Thanks for the kind words BH.
Judy, I'll take Cliff Lee off your hands :o
BMD, was trying to figure out who you have as the best steal of the draft? Patrick Corbin? Dom Brown?
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| | | 391 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 22:40
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He told me Brown earlier today, although I'm pretty happy to have Corbin from the 14th round.
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| | | 392 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 23:12
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Yeah, said Brown but there are probably a few better "steals". Donaldson in the 12th is pretty nice.
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| | | 393 | GO
ID: 414113123
Tue, Jun 04, 2013, 23:54
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I am pretty sure my offers to Judy 2 years ago for either Pujols and Hanson included prospect Dominic the phenom of her beloved Phillies. Maybe she's glad she jinxed him.
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| | | 394 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 00:02
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377 - I think we need to eliminate the amount of assets teams have at their disposal. Somebody could sell off their 1st-3rd round picks for the next 5 years and put together a pretty unbeatable team. There needs to be a limited amount of trade chips available. I think having 2 drafts to trade picks away is more than sufficient.
It shouldn't really hurt rebuilding teams. Those rebuilding teams can always resell their acquired picks if they don't think they can compete in a year.
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| | | 395 | Ref
ID: 13211515
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 01:17
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Puig.
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| | | 396 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 09:58
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371: Unfair to have certain trades be delayed 2 or 3 days. We have seen trades much closer than this where both parties have been grilled and vilified. Like WG said, no one is going to collude int his league so what's the use of even bothering to veto anything?
Darkside, I agree with many of your points. It is odd how many people give up so quickly. Some people seem to constantly rebuild. The one year where I had injuries and my old guys--well got too old--at the same time I sunk to the bottom I couldn't trade assets for anything because there were only a couple teams with a chance. The best offer I got all year was a 6th rounder for a KEEPER, Tim Hudson, and of course I refused.
I enjoy the big trades and 3 or 4 teams each making trades and trying to out-do their competitors and it hurts because they have to give up so much future to do it. The other teams get to load up for often times non-keepers. Again, this last trade didn't seem to do that at all. Now these teams playing for the future will have a much harder time trading non-keepers and potential keepers this year.
394: We have never had a trade more than 2 seasons out. I made an offer within the last week which would have really hurt me next year. Two people were surprised I was offering so much. Offer was rejected. Glad it was now. Anyhow, we aren't really limiting assets when no one has ever used assets so far out before.
Puig.
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| | | 397 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 10:54
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393 totally forgot brown was available. He would have been my first draft pick this year...
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| | | 398 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 12:39
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394: I don't necessarily have a problem with it.....but I certainly wanted to hear the arguments/rationales for such a proposal.
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| | | 399 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 14:54
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Speaking of draft steals...Buchholz. Way better ROI this year than Brown. But that's just nitpicking.
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| | | 400 | R9
ID: 57551514
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 15:52
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Haven't had as much time this year with the job, girl and pokerz, but I've been following it all. My thoughts:
1) Toughen up kids. ;) We're all big boys and girls. We're going to say what we want to say, and sometimes it's going to be mean on purpose. If someone really thinks a trade is going to ruin the competitive balance of the league forever, that dumb opinion will be posted for everyone to read 5 years later and laugh at. And if being told your opinion is dumb is gonna make you sulk or quit or whatever, then buck up or quit. No room for whiners or wusses in an expert league. :D
2) Which leads to... the consequences of us being a league of experts. We all know what we are doing. Pete knows he overpaid in the eyes of lots of people to get his piece, and he doesn't care, because he thinks he's got a future clinching piece. That's not the opinion of some dumb sucker. He could probably find 20 people who would agree completely with him. I'm going to propose that vetoing be removed. If we feel there was actual collusion, boot the two managers and find two new experts who aren't cheating scumbags. Otherwise, let smart people make their choices/strategies/risks. Sure, we can talk/comment/berate/laugh for posts on end. But nothing in a league of experts should ever be vetoed.
What is an absolute guarantee is that there are very few mistakes made in this league. The less mistakes being made, the more standard and obvious it will be played. (It also makes luck more of the defining factor in winning.) Yes, it might suck that 9 teams started off this year 'rebuilding'. That doesn't make it wrong, or unbalanced, or broken. It means 9 managers took a look at current league balance and made the astute choice to play a longer (smarter) game. Sorry if you can't find any takers for your middling vets at the deadline... But we've weeded out a lot of the fish, and there are no 2007 Pittsburgh Pirates or KC Royals to make lolbad trades with. Edges are smaller, risks costs more... and winning means ALOT more then some fish Yahoo public league.
Personally, I think we've got the best league balance we've had in years. We're just defining balance differently. Hen took some gambles, and more then half paid off. I took some too, and well more then half didn't (seriously, how many top 5 SP prospect list prospects can I have that undergo TJS? I think I'm at 8 now). Balance doesn't mean we have 8 teams within 20 pts of first. Balance means if we restarted next year we'd have a league with 16-18 legit contenders, because the talent evaluation, risk taking and strategy choices of our managers are excellent. When we started way back when I'd put that # at 8 or 9.
3) Given all that, I'm against any caps on anything. Trust me, I had a gazillions picks this year, and it didn't 'buy' me anything. In fact, I don't think we've had a pre-season 'contender' win this thing in years. (Hen kept making awful SP decisions or I guess he'd have a few titles by now...) We always have surprises at the top, disappointments at the bottom, and everything in between. The Western push for equality that is so prevalent in everything has noooo place here. This league should be a cutthroat bastion of competitive strategy and cunning. Not a redistribution of wealth and competitive power.
Ok I'm done ranting. ;) I just felt this thread needed a counter-rant to all the anti-competition talk going on above.
- Oh.. and glad you're staying Pete. :) I regret not jumping on Stanton a few years back...
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| | | 401 | GO
ID: 414113123
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 20:43
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Agree with everything R9 said.
And yeah picks mean nothing if you don't pick the right guys. I was missing multiple high picks this year and came away with Bucholz Cuddyer and Peralta mid to late. And I will still beat BH this year despite my current holes and even with him getting that trade done that he deserves to have completed as R9 outlined.
Looking for another veteran nonkeeper SP and to move Middlebrooks for some more veteran hitter to move around my bench.
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| | | 402 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 21:34
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Excellent post R9.
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| | | 403 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 21:52
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Dear Tampa Bay:
Please promote Wil Myers already. He is past Super Two eligibility and has been smacking homers all over the place lately. Your cheap-ass-ness is taking up a roster spot and harming my hoarding strategy.
Sincerely,
- Species
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| | | 404 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 22:18
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Well said R9. Still waiting for your rebuilding plan to finish.
Auspicious start for the new guys- 1 for 8 combined. And Bailey in a non-save situation. Locked up, I guess.
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| | | 405 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 22:23
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Looking to move the following players:
-Justin Morneau: First time healthy in years...the power isn't there yet as its usually the last thing to come along, but he's on pace for 100+ RBIs and could help a team in need.
-Francisco Liriano: Pitching like a man on a mission. The difference between this year and years past is his command.
-Michael Brantley: Not that much power, but bats in the 3 hole for Cleveland and could be a decent source of stats.
Will move, but am somewhat apprehensive:
-Rex Brothers: Future closer in Colorado and is keeper quality if that's the case.
-Jon Niese: Solid fantasy starter. Nuff said.
Not looking for prospects as I'm set there. Would be looking for reasonable draft pick compensation or guys that could have keeper value but underperformed (I.e. the Cameron Maybins, Dustin Ackleys, etc.)
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| | | 407 | GO
ID: 300542419
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 22:34
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Imagine having the UNDER 9.5 runs in the SEA/CHW game and its 0-0 in the 14th inning... bet you thought you were safe. And I bet Addison Reed's line tonight has to be one of the wackiest for a closer ever.
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| | | 408 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 22:49
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That may have been the most exciting 0-0 game I have ever watched. Lots of good defense. A few weird factoids from the game ...
** Tied Mariners record for longest 0-0 game.
** This is first time in MLB history each team has scored 5 or more runs after playing 9 scoreless.
** Kyle Seager is the first player in MLB history to hit a game-tying grand slam in extra innings.
** The Mariners are the first team in MLB history to score five runs to tie a game in the 14th inning or later.
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| | | 409 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 22:51
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407: A great reason why I would never bet on baseball
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| | | 410 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 23:17
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Hawks call (or silence) was the best.
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| | | 411 | GO
ID: 300542419
Wed, Jun 05, 2013, 23:51
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Alright... lets call up Profar. Throw Ichiro back where he belongs.
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| | | 412 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 04:11
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[411] - I let that sit for awhile because it just hurts me too much to drop Ichiro. But I finally processed it. Now I have 13 Ichiro bobbleheads giving me the hairy eyeball. I'm afraid to go to sleep!
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| | | 413 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 12:34
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Maybe BH's road to the championship has a few potholes. Losing Braun for a stretch of time will be a tough thing to make up.
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| | | 414 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 13:11
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Since there is no salary needed to be added or removed anymore,w e really can do this on our own--esp callups. We just need to post so the commish can add the callups. I dropped Ichiro a couple weeks earlier after drafting him so high. Ugh!
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| | | 415 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 13:15
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I meant that commish could add the number next to the callups in the rules and double check when you send him down to make sure he is eligible.
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| | | 416 | GO
ID: 414113123
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 13:53
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So no need to wait for them to do the add/drop? Just post what you did here in bold perhaps for bookkeeping purposes?
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| | | 417 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 15:24
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Good call Ref. I think GO's idea is solid.....document in bold for recordkeeping
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| | | 418 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Jun 06, 2013, 15:52
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I have silently wanted that, but Species said a Commish needed to do it. So I didn't argue. :)
Fortunately, my Jay Buhner bobbleheads protected me overnight.
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| | | 419 | Ref
ID: 13211515
Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 00:45
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Puig at it again. Who says he can't hit a slider? Grand Slam turns a 1-0 game into a 5 run lead.
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| | | 420 | BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 09:52
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Had the extreme pleasure of watching sports with Wazaap Guy (and jkaye) last night. We worked out a very intricate trade we think you are going to like...
Just kidding, but it's always a fun time with fellow gurupians. If you live in an area where it's possible, I recommend it.
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| | | 421 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 07, 2013, 20:11
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I have made the following edits/additions to the Constitution in bold. Please review for accuracy:
Updated with some new rules and clarifications:
Commissioner:
"Ref” refguru@gmail.com - "Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com
Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position
Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.
Activity/Unforeseen Circumstances
Activity will be monitored. Every team and circumstance is different. Not every team will want to change their lineup every day or be able to respond to every trade or answer emails immediately. Not every manager will make as many transactions (add/drops or trades) as others. Albeit, if we notice some time of inactivity or it is brought to our attention, we will address it. Please understand that we are trying to work with you to resolve the issue. You are expected to respond to all trades/emails in a timely manner whenever possible. You are also expected to keep healthy and competitive players who are playing in your active lineup. Activity on our threads in the Rotoguru boards and on our league site are encouraged and required at times for league business, including rules discussions, drafts, etc. Should unforeseen scenarios arise, the commissioners will use their best judgment to settle any matters in the best interest of the league.
Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily. Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our leagues bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.
Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.
Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft the previous June are not eligible to be kept as keepers. This rule applies even if that player has played in the major leagues. All Rule 4 draftees must go through at least one Prospect Draft prior to being eligible as keepers.
2013 PRIZE POOL
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.
Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:
1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up a prospect to their active roster. In this scenario, that prospect is separate from their 9 keepers.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.
Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous years finish and will not snake.
Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, while he may be freely picked up and used on a roster, please note that per our keeper rules they may not be kept the following season. All Rule 4 draftees must go through one Prospect Draft before they become keeper eligible.
There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.
Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.
Prospect Rules
Prospect Draft: The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the final standings of the previous year and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.
A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player.
There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as hes in the ESPN database) by dropping a player.
Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.
All prospects are listed below. It is each managers responsibility to alert a commish when your prospect is entered into the ESPN database so an email alert can be attached.
Before the season at the keeper deadline all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
At the prospect draft keeper deadline, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. They may keep all three or none as long as none have been traded, (see below) but they will only get as many draft picks as it takes to max their prospects at three, barring a trade.
Prospect draft picks are assigned after your prospect keepers are announced. So if you have 3 prospect keepers, you don't have a prospect draft pick to trade. You may trade a pick at any time, but if you have traded a prospect draft pick, you may only declare two keepers. If you've traded two picks, you can only keep one and if you've traded all three, you may keep none. Once prospects have been declared and draft picks assigned, a manager may again exceed three prospects via trade.
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| | | 422 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 00:17
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"Puig!"
Ref for the 800th time...
F you baseball america for having Puig so low on the top 100 prospect list. He's the one guy after the draft that I regretted not taking over Wacha.
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| | | 423 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 00:52
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421-That means I can't call up Appel this year.
Just an example, I wouldn't waste a call up in my position.
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| | | 424 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 08:01
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423: This doesn't apply to him. You already drafted him.
422: ;) 2nd player in history to hit 4 homers in his first 5 games (Mike Jacobs). 10 RBIs. Unfortunately, all four runs scored have come from homers and he is the leadoff guy. I guess the Dodgers have "99 problems but a Puig ain't one." He has helped LA to win every game he has a hit in. His homer last night sent the game to extras--where they won 2-1. He also was INT Walked for the first time. Only knock on him (besides not having played in 2 years and no experience was he couldn't hit the breaking balls--esp sliders. His four homers have been fastball, slider, slider, curve). They include opposite field shots. The funny thing about Puig is that he is widely unknown. I didn't see him on any prospect list at all--including Baseball America. I took him because I has read a little about him last year and thought why not take a chance on him. Then Spring Training came and he went nuts. Best thing is that I am not hyping him up to trade him a la Species. :)
Puig.
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| | | 425 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 10:04
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423 -- Actually, it would mean you couldn't have him as one of your 9 keepers. Any June draftee, if in the database, could be put on a roster and used in an active lineup if you wish.
But as Ref said, Appel doesn't apply. He went through the P-draft already.
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| | | 426 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 10:15
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Only unfair thing about Appel if he comes up this year is you won't be able to use him in his first start, since we won't be in the database.
No almost no chance he hits the threshold, so he can be a prospect for next year.
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| | | 427 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 13:53
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BMD - Gotta go on feel. He was #2 on my board and the only reason I was comfortable in trading Boagerts. I'm not too upset about landing Jose though. I'm only mad for not making Ref a nice offer for Puig right after he picked him.
I can't imagine Species is upset either as Boagerts is unanimously the #1 prospect as per MLB network.
All parties win.
One last time: Puig.
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| | | 428 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 14:13
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This is something that bothers me, and I'm not sure if its a league setting or ESPN setting:
For example, of my guys, Kyle Blanks, was said to be demoted to AAA. I dropped Blanks to pickup Craig Gentry, who was starting, to fill my utility spot. Since a day game had already commenced, Gentry didn't show up on my roster until the next day and the spot start couldn't happen.
Same thing Today, I was going to pickup Correia to stream vs the Nats (4:15pm) as I think he will have a QS and possible win, but the 1pm games have already started so he won't show up until tomorrow deeming the transaction useless.
I don't know if I'm the only one who is annoyed by that feature...but I'd like the capability until game time to stream FA players.
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| | | 429 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 19:31
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It's still better than Yahoo where if made a move past 1am it would go to the next day.
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| | | 430 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 19:57
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427: No complaints for me.....got to take the bat, even over the potential ace like Fernandez. Of course, there was no guarantee I was going to win the lottery in the first place, so I liked getting the guarantee of Bogaerts.
I don't think that many prospect hounds would rank Bogaerts over Taveras though.....or even Buxton. That said, at least on Keith Law's updated top 25.....I have 4 of the top 7 :D
Bogaerts 3
Lindor 5
Sano 6
Myers 7
Me like.
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| | | 431 | GO
ID: 300542419
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 23:25
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Its not better than Yahoo if you use Daily Transactions option. The only guys that freeze are those in your active lineup in a game that has started. Everyone else is same day immediate including 10 PM games.
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| | | 432 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Sat, Jun 08, 2013, 23:40
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Dunno if this is the case with ESPN, but I've noticed recently that in Yahoo all the players on a team with a doubleheader freeze at the beginning of the first game's start, even if it is a day-night doubleheader.
Plenty of guys I would have liked to have played only one of the two games, but you don't get that option. Not in Yahoo, anyway.
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| | | 433 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, Jun 09, 2013, 20:50
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I'm playing in a Yahoo same day transaction league for the first time and I like it a lot. Only downside is not being able to drop a frozen player until 12 AM PT.
ESPN allows transactions anytime, but once the first game of the day is played, the move doesn't count until tomorrow.
Ideally, the Yahoo system would be awesome if it allowed transactions of frozen players anytime. Any transaction of a frozen player would occur the next day, but you wouldn't have wait until 12 AM PT. A hybrid of both systems.
PD, I feel the same way about DHs. Both Yahoo and ESPN players freeze at the scheduled start of game 1. And I hate trying to guess if a game is going to be rained out.
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| | | 434 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 10:12
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Is Ackley finally ready to come back and haunt me?
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| | | 435 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 15:50
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NL Player of the week! Puig. Guys I have nothing else to be excited about right now and neither do the Dodgers. So it's all about the Puig.
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| | | 436 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 16:20
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Toral - Evidently, WG thinks so. New rumors are of him playing the outfield. If he retains 2B eligibility he could be in a Ben Zobrist model...but he needs to hit the ball first.
Ref - Puig.
I wish to protest my Blanks drop...lol!!! ;only half kidding.) ESPN app reported he was demoted to AAA to make way for Maybins return so I acted on it only to have it blow up in my face.
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| | | 437 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 16:28
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Wait a minute now ... are you telling me that Raul Ibanez, Michael Morse, Jason Bay, and Endy Chavez are not the Mariners outfield of the future?
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| | | 438 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 17:57
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It wasn't just ESPN. Just about every news outlet had Blanks being sent down.
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| | | 439 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 19:05
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Ackley has ZERO value as an OF, imo. 2b? Sure. OF? No way.
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| | | 440 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 19:35
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I agree species. His value is tied to 2B...
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| | | 441 | GO
ID: 300542419
Mon, Jun 10, 2013, 22:05
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GO calling up Gerrit Cole for the first time
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| | | 442 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 11, 2013, 22:13
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BH sends down Gyorko, replaced with Tyler Flowers
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| | | 443 | Slizz
ID: 205471215
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 16:52
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:
Slizz (KCCO):
Francisco Liriano, SP, PIT
Jarrod Parker, SP, OAK
Rex Brothers, RP, COL
2014 14th Rounder
2015 14th Rounder
-for-
WG:
Jon Lester, SP, BOS
Jesse Crain, RP, CHW
Alex Torres, RP, TB
2014 8th Rounder
2015 Conditional 8th round pick based on the following condition:
Rex Brothers 2014 Saves
00-10 - 8th
10-20 - 7th
20-30 - 6th
30-40 - 5th
40+ - 4th
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| | | 444 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 16:55
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Confirm... is there any way to get this pushed thru ahead of 1pm tomorrow? There's early games again...
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| | | 445 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 17:02
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No way to push that through early. The last thing we ever want to do is set a precedent over the long-standing rules.
You'll just need to accept it earlier next time!
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| | | 446 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 17:10
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trade announcement
BH trades:
Rick Porcello
2014 14th rounder (his own, not Jaydog's)
Slizz trades:
2014 9th rounder
We are going to put this through the ESPN system late Thursday, to keep Porcello's start Friday.
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| | | 447 | GO
ID: 300542419
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 17:13
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Never a reason to push trades through early G20 on ESPN cause its only approx 24 hours for everyone to see it. Yahoo when it sits there for 3 days? Thats reasonable. But not on ESPN.
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| | | 448 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 17:21
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Other than hurting my chances, I like the WG/Slizz trade. Glad we have owners getting creative. I give the edge to WG (all three guys he got are underrated and only loses the high pick if Brothers is awesome, which he won't complain about), but I can see Slizz happy about getting Lester.
As for the other deal, hoping I sold high on Porcello.
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| | | 449 | Slizz
ID: 205471215
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 17:28
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Confirmed.
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| | | 450 | Slizz
ID: 205471215
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 18:10
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GO - it was only so that WG could get Parker's start tomorrow...24 hour review would place us fine for 7pm starts, but because of the way ESPN works he'd still be on my roster.
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| | | 451 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 18:18
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Nice trade guys!
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| | | 452 | Slizz
ID: 205471215
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 18:52
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Now that Liriano and Brothers are gone...I still have some bargains to sell!
Jon Niese - Servicable pitcher who can give you some quality IP.
Justin Morneau - Former MVP would could give you those RBI's hitting behind Mauer (100 RBI not out of the question)
Michael Brantley - good source of Runs and solid OB%
Just looking for picks (2014 or 2015).
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| | | 453 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Jun 12, 2013, 23:42
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When I set the goal of watching every Mariner game on TV this season, maybe I should have considered exempting Seattle-Houston games.
(I've seen 62 of 67 so far ...)
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| | | 454 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 12:11
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Judy: carter capps is a prospect.
So slizz cuts Porcello then trades for him back. Wondering if he trades to get Maybin back too. :)
Puig.
(Even though he got hurt in the fight and should be suspended soon).
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| | | 455 | bh
ID: 388582821
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 13:02
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Ref, Porcello has had 4 GREAT starts since then, and he's trading a 9th rounder for it. If that's not the definition of an appropriate trade, I'm not sure what is.
I cut Oscar Taveras last year; can I have him back?
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| | | 456 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 13:10
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I love how bh needs pitching yet trades it away. Dude, aren't you trying to win this year?
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| | | 457 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 13:41
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Sorry missed him. Will drop ASAP..
Could we please alphabetize the bloody list so it is easier?? I did it for the prospect draft!
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| | | 458 | GO
ID: 395571210
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 13:43
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I also put the little watchlist icon on next to their name when I see a player I like and identify him as a prospect so I don't even have to think about it after that first time.
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| | | 459 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 14:12
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Maybin now out 6-10 weeks with a torn PCL. I think even a Maybin backer like Slizz would pause before making that offer!
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| | | 460 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 14:52
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Hey now...Maybin is my boy!
I'm sure we all have guys we dropped only to wish we did not. I saw this as that type of opportunity. A 9th round pick wasn't exactly breaking the bank either.
Did I let WG off a little cheap in 2014? Possibly.
The way I saw the deal is as follows:
Lester, Porcello, conditional 2015 8th
-for-
Parker, Liriano, Brothers
-I upgrade my 2014 9th a couple spots with WG's 8th
-I get that 4th in 2015 if Brothers is awesome.
All parties involved are happy.
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| | | 461 | blue hen
ID: 388582821
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 15:57
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Re 456: No, I already have this season locked up.
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| | | 462 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 17:18
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Was just teasing Slizz. He was regretting the Maybin cut then he cuts Porcello only to trade for him back. Wasn't criticizing at all.
I find it hard to believe that a major injury like a torn PCL will allow him to be back in 6-10 weeks.
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| | | 463 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Jun 13, 2013, 18:30
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Yeah, originally they were saying strained PCL (6 weeks) then they said torn (6-10 weeks). I think he's gone for the year myself.
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| | | 464 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Jun 14, 2013, 14:56
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MLB was too light on the punishments for the DBacks/Dodgers fight.
Here is my thinking on them:
Ian Kennedy: He was responsible for everything. Baseball had already policed itself when he decided he was not only going to hit someone else--but the opposing Pitcher and hit him high. 10 games is only going to cause him to miss one start. 15 games would at least mean two starts.
Kirk Gibson: He got one game. That was basically the minimum/automatic. I thought he should have gotten two games.
Don Mattingly: Def deserved a suspension the way he threw down Trammel. I guess I am ok with one game, but two games might have been warranted.
Belisario: One game. Are you kidding me? He came swinging wildly at no one in general. You throw a punch, you should miss more than one game. He is a reliever--but still minimum 2 games if not more. I am not sure he connected though so that might be why he only got one. Still think it is light.
Hinske: 5 games. I am not sure which one he was--but the fact that he got 5 games means he must have done something pretty bad. IF it was truly that bad, he should have gotten more based on the smacks on wrists the others got--but since I don't know what he did, I'll abstain from this one.
Schumaker: I didn't see what he did wrong. From the video it appeared like he was being a peacekeeper. I am shocked he is suspended but, like Hinske, I'll abstain because I obviously missed something.
Howell: Figured he'd get a game so I didn't see all what he did either.
Grienke: I figured he'd get 5 games for throwing at Montero for retaliation. Instead he got fined. Based on what everyone else got--it seems right. I still think he should have to sit though--even though he followed the "code."
Puig: I thought he'd get at least a game. He was definitely an aggressor. Two games is probably more fair.
McGwire: Agree with his 2 game ban. Coaches have to be peacekeepers and he definitely was not. I wouldn't ahve been upset with a longer ban at all.
Montero and Parra: Thought they'd get a game ban as well. Two wouldn't have surprised me.
They all got fined. I hope they fined them enough to make it hurt.
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| | | 465 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Jun 14, 2013, 21:53
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Puig.
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| | | 466 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 00:11
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CarGo.
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| | | 467 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 01:28
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Killing me Tosh. Oliver Perez finally gets a save, and I can't even snag him.
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| | | 468 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 01:29
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Killing me Tosh. Oliver Perez finally gets a save, and I can't even snag him.
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| | | 469 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 02:10
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He has been pitching well for a couple weeks, and I had been considering him for a couple days. I was away from the computer when it was announced pre-game on the radio that Wilhelmsen had been pulled.
I was surprised Blue Hen had not picked him up already. I made it home in the 7th inning, but didn't pick him up until one out in the 9th.
I certainly did not have to consider prospect status with him.
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| | | 470 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 20:38
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A note on 443:
The stipulation sticks no matter whose team Brothers ends up on in 2014. Whether WG keeps him....doesn't keep him........trades him.......whatever.....the condition sticks.
I'm sure this is assumed. I'm just stating it clearly for the record.
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| | | 471 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jun 16, 2013, 00:03
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Agreed. That's how I interpret it too.
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| | | 472 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Jun 16, 2013, 03:15
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Calling up Arenado for first time.
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| | | 473 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jun 16, 2013, 18:16
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In case you were wondering, I picked up Jaso today in case Gattis didn't start today. Braves lineup came in at 4:06 without Gattis. But Jaso was locked.
All Jaso did today was reach base four times.
Both guys are on the block.
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| | | 474 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jun 17, 2013, 09:12
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Trade Alert
Pete trades:
Freddie Freeman, 1B, ATL
2014 10th round pick
2014 11th round pick
WG trades:
Tony Cingrani, P, CIN
2014 1st round pick
2014 5th round pick
WG to confirm on the picks..
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| | | 475 | blue hen
ID: 388582821
Mon, Jun 17, 2013, 10:45
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Interesting. I give the edge to WG (slightly), since Freeman is the prize here. But Cingrani is talented, and those are pretty solid picks. Overall, this reminders me of the Hosmer deal - really getting value for a talented player.
I get that Pete has Hosmer now, so Freeman is less useful, but I do think Freeman will hold his value a while, which is an important factor in keepers. Cingrani could be just as great, but less odds of it.
Credit both guys for making the moves.
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| | | 476 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Jun 17, 2013, 10:50
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Confirmed.
The Rex trade can be corrected to 0-9, 10-19, etc...
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| | | 477 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 17, 2013, 21:23
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Musta forgot to hit the submit button with austin JAX on bench 3/4, 2R, BI so ar...
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| | | 478 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Tue, Jun 18, 2013, 21:43
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Nice to see I can still make a trade without it getting veteod. ;-)
I like Cingrani and getting the picks was nice as well. At 1st base, I have Hosmer + Singleton mashing the ball in the minors. After I made the trade with bh, my goal was to move Freeman for a starting pitcher who can deal. Mission accomplished.
Giancarlo.
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| | | 479 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jun 18, 2013, 22:07
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Yeah, where are all the Giancarlo haters now?
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| | | 480 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jun 19, 2013, 09:23
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Really looking to trade one of my 1b/of guys for picks. Braun, Kemp, Bautista, Rizzo, or Fielder.
Would also accept a top shelf SP plus picks in the right deal.
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| | | 481 | Species
ID: 28252918
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 01:38
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I have some solid starters that can be flipped for moderate draft pick trades in 2016.
Jake Westbrook has returned to the Cardinals rotation. He's a solid performer for the best team in the league and will rack up wins.
John Lackey has - amazingly - shown a return to form for the East leading Red Sox with a 3.08 ERA and 1.21 WHIP and a damned respectable K/9.
Even Jason Marquis for the surprising Padres has 9 wins and can help someone.
Gotta get those in before bmd pushes a bill through Congress.
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| | | 482 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 12:57
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If you are looking for a non bum starting pitcher, Jeff Locke and his 2.01 ERA and 1.13 WHIP is available. Will take picks for any of the next 3 years.
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| | | 483 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 16:49
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LOL.....suuuuure. Locke....he of previous ERAs of 6.48 and 5.50 in his previous stints in Pittsburgh.
At least Lackey and Westbrook have established years of past success and are pitching for the top 2 teams in baseball. Bums? Bleh!!
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| | | 484 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 17:48
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Yasiel showed the Yankees what the Puig Apple is all about.
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| | | 485 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 22:21
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Oops. He just Puiged it again in SD.
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| | | 486 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 22:27
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For the contenders out there looking for saves, Jose Veras is available.
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| | | 487 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Jun 20, 2013, 23:55
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So what's a better indicator of someone's success, their last 15 starts or the 10 starts before their last 15? Locke is 26 and his last 15 starts have been very nice.
Westbrook is the bottom of the barrel. Yes, he might be helpful in wins if about 5 things fall into place for him. Doesn't change the fact that he has a 99.9% chance of hurting a team's k/9 and 99% chance of hurting their WHIP and ERA.
Lackey is slightly above bum status. My bad.
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| | | 488 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Jun 21, 2013, 00:10
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FYI - Boston's closer is for sale.
Tazawa
Uehara
Miller
You know the deal: draft pick(s) wanted in return.
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| | | 489 | BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Jun 21, 2013, 17:08
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Also looking to deal Evan Gattis or Dan Straily (or possibly Patrick Corbin). Send to my gmail.
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| | | 490 | mjd
ID: 25222211
Sat, Jun 22, 2013, 12:38
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487-a lot of times it's what have you done for me lately, esp for the contenders.
Lester is the most recent hot potato. Too good to drop, but really stinking it up lately.
I have hm in another league and right now I can't get a ham sandwich or a bag of donuts for him. But it's a 12 team keeper league, and while I'm scared to death to pitch him right now, I certainly can't drop him. Though I have been tempted.
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| | | 491 | mjd
ID: 25222211
Sat, Jun 22, 2013, 13:03
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BTW, big fat Bartolo Colon just won his 10th game-7 straight.
He's not striking anyone out, but in 15 starts this year he's only issued 12 walks.
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| | | 492 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 11:11
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Ugh. Lester - don't remind me...
I got a laugh out of 482...Not gonna knock the hustle. At least he's trying!
I'm miffed nobody wants Morneau (yet)! I know he's old but he will still get 100 RBI's and can be had on the cheap.
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| | | 493 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Jun 23, 2013, 11:11
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Also...dropped my 3rd keeper in Niese. Goes to show how bad they were and if it wasn't for Ruf's potential he'd be jettisoned as well!
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| | | 494 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jun 25, 2013, 11:54
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Puig.
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| | | 495 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Tue, Jun 25, 2013, 12:22
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Ref has turned into the Puig pokemon.
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| | | 496 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 08:36
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We interrupt this Puig update to say this: HANLEY!
The Dodgers have not been smart with their money at all. They have made some downright stupid decisions as far as contracts and who they are playing and how they go about it IMO. But they finally got smart and brought Puig up and he has ignited the team. Now that Hanley seems healthy again, he has been the hottest player in baseball--yes even hotter than Puig (and Puig is still rolling). I typically will not put players from my favorite team on my roster as it seems to bite me in the end. But Hanley was traded and Puig was a prospect who wasn't on any prospect list I saw and the two players who have turned around my roto team are the two who are turning around the Dodgers. Pretty fun as I was losing interest fast in this game. I still have no delusions of winning it, but it looks like I have found a few younger player to mix in with my veterans for next ssn. Yes, I said next ssn. I have been thinking about quitting fantasy sports for over a year. Real life ya know. But this has seemed to rejuvenate me a little. Now if Mattingly can dislodge his head and make some other moves and shore up that pen and get some more hitting, I will be much happier. No one will take on Ethier;s contract unless LA pays at least half of it and no way he can sit Puig when Crawford gets back. Gonna be interesting.LA is trying to get Nolasco which would be great. They still need a 3B or even a SS and move Hanley to 3B. Dee Gordon doesn't seem to be the answer. But they really need help in the pen. I think they will make some moves. The entire NL West seems to be looking for upgrades.
Thinking with my heart and not my head, obviously, I picked Dodgers vs. Indians in the Series. Yeah, no expert would dare take a chance on losing their job by picking such reaches, but in the past week the Dodgers have picked up 3 games and only 6 out now (albeit last even after sweeping nemesis SF) and Cleveland has went form under .500 to 3 over and only 2.5 games behind Detroit. LA and Cle really upgraded their teams this year. I am still waiting on Swisher to bust out like he always seems to do. Masterson has returned to form after getting a full offseason of work.(Yeah I won them both on my team too). Call it a long shot, but my prognostication reaches are, well, within reach.
Puig.
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| | | 497 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 11:21
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Was watching MLB Tonight yesterday, where Harold Reynolds made a very strong case for the Dodgers winning the East. When he first started talking the others were scoffing (after all, they are in last place right now) but at the end, they were kind of nodding, going "You made a strong case, Harold."
Bullpen is the key, IMO--all the other keys to winning are moving along.
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| | | 498 | GO
ID: 175252414
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 11:35
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Will be awfully hard for them to win the East I'd say.
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| | | 499 | GO
ID: 175252414
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 12:07
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oh! unless they move back to Brooklyn.
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| | | 500 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 12:12
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Ha! oops. It'll be tough for them to win the *West* but the other teams aren't exactly working hard to win it, either.
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| | | 501 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jun 27, 2013, 12:57
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Dodgers have won 5 games in a row and are still only 6-4 over their last 10. So still waiting to see if this is the new Dodgers of 2013 or it is an outlier. Dodgers are starting to get healthy so I am hopeful but the pen continues to try and blow it. Somehow we held on last night after Kershaw left int he 9th with a 2 run lead.
Btw, the Lincecum/Sanchez tandem have allowed all 14 of the baserunners to steal. Not one CS all year. But Puig tries and stretch a routine single into a double and gets their OF his first assist of the ssn. With the Dodgers running wild, I have no idea why Puig wouldn't take his single and steal 2nd. I used to love Chris Sabo first came up and did those types of things, but take the easy SB bro!
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| | | 502 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 09:06
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Puig did it again. LA down 1 late and Puig knocks in two to put the Dodgers ahead for good. 6 in a row now.
Stasburg has had some horrible luck. He is 4-7 with one of the best lines in baseball. My how the Nats bats have fallen off in a year's time. He was having trouble in the first innings earlier on for some reason so he is partially to blame but it's hard to shut out a team every game! Kershaw was having that same problem earlier.
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| | | 503 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 09:24
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Capuano to make it 7.
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| | | 504 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 15:10
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More of a web site question than a rules issue.
Yesterday another manager was inquiring about a player of mine who has a west coast start time today. The 1st game today starts at 5 PM ET.
The question was did we have to have that trade completed before 5PM yesterday or 10 PM, the time his game starts today, in order for him to use him in his lineup today?
We know that adds/drops made after the first game of the day are reflected in the next day's games. With the 24 hour review period on trades, does the same rule apply?
In other words, if we completed the trade by say 9 PM last night, with the 24 hour review period, would said player appear on his roster at 9 PM tonight, allowing him to play him tonight or would he officially be on his roster tomorrow?
It's a moot point since the deal was never made, but clarification for future reference would be good to know.
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| | | 506 | Great One
ID: 395262814
Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 15:28
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If the 24 hours goes after the first game time the next day -- then its delayed an additional day of processing. Just like if you add/drop a guy after that first game is started - transactions are pushed into the next day.
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| | | 507 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jun 28, 2013, 22:19
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And with no closers on my roster, I record the first save of the season. I hate closes, too unreliable...
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| | | 508 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Jun 29, 2013, 12:38
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Nobody likes them, but a necessary evil for competing in this league.
No need for them while rebuiding, but make for valuabe trade chips if you happen to fall into one in the mean time.
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| | | 509 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jun 29, 2013, 20:59
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Yeah, I had three (!) when I made a run two years ago and none of them are even playing now! Wilson, Farnsworth and somebody else (madson)?
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| | | 510 | GO
ID: 525101712
Sat, Jun 29, 2013, 23:27
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There really is no such thing as a long term keeper closer unless he's named Mariano and its not 2013.
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| | | 511 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 12:06
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Lackey trade includes WG's 2016 4th for my 2016 7th.
Plus the two traded players are amalgrams of one another.....a G20 first!!!
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| | | 512 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 17:33
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Anagrams?
An amalgam of Lackey and Ackley wouldn't be able to pitch OR hit.
While we're at it, anyone else find it funny that Ref has these really long posts, but can't be bothered to type out the word "season"?
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| | | 513 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 19:38
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Confirmed
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| | | 514 | beastiemiked
ID: 565253019
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 20:26
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Papelbon with 7 straight seasons of 30+ saves. Keeper worthy imo.
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| | | 515 | GO
ID: 525101712
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 22:30
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Remember this question? Todays @MikeAndMike trivia: Only 3 CURRENT closers under the age of 30 have 100 career saves (or more). Can you name them? Tough one!
Think that showed just how reliable keeping a closer can be unless you get the 1 or 2 fluky exceptions.
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| | | 516 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 22:42
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514 the way the phillies are playing and his recent lapses he might not get there this season with the phillies, that is...
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| | | 517 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 22:48
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511: I thought someone adopted a rule forbidding draft picks exchanges for more than two years?
Puig.
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| | | 518 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Jun 30, 2013, 23:47
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Btw, Puig has 44 hits in his first 100 ABs. Only the 2nd player in baseball history to do that. He had 4 hits and missed the cycle today by a homer. He also had a couple steals for good measure.
Dodgers have won 8 of last 9 games and are only four games out of first place now. Hanley continues to sizzle.
Masterson may be the steal of the supplemental draft.
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| | | 519 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jul 01, 2013, 11:41
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Who is the other player with 44 hits?
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| | | 520 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jul 01, 2013, 11:44
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517: No. It was suggested we adopt such a rule. It had a post or two of support. No formal proposal nor vote has occurred to date.
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| | | 521 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jul 01, 2013, 17:49
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519- Joe DiMaggio had 48 in May 1936
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| | | 522 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jul 01, 2013, 21:16
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Nice to see Hosmer knocking the cover off the ball!
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| | | 523 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 07:02
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Please reverse the Jose Fernandez transaction. It was an accident via the ESPN mobile app.
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| | | 524 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 19:10
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Thank you.
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| | | 525 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Jul 02, 2013, 19:29
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I got all excited and thought I could finally use my number 2 waiver claim...
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| | | 526 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Jul 03, 2013, 00:46
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Puig.
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| | | 527 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jul 03, 2013, 11:43
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Finally dropped Straily- let's see who picks him up.
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| | | 528 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Jul 04, 2013, 21:50
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Heh, awesome game for Straily. At least it was for Slizz, not WG or GO.
Anyone need some steals? Tony Campana has two steals in two games, after 30 in half a season last year. Make an offer.
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| | | 529 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 10:59
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Player of the month. I think I heard first ever for a player in his first month in the majors. Then he goes out and turns a single into a double then scores from 2nd on a misplay but putout at first. Then he makes a great catch and gets hurt which was called a sever hip and thigh bruise. Stays in and with his arms hits a SF before leaving the game. Then plays next game. I am amazed. Even though I am turning into one of his biggest fans, I was against him being considered for the ASG even a couple weeks ago. Now my mind has changed. He has had a HUGE impact for his team and has played in more games than those closers or even several Pitchers who will be used. In fact, Hanley Ramirez should have be there as well. What they have done in a month is remarkable.
#Puig
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| | | 530 | BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 11:17
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What's his BABIP?
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| | | 531 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 11:31
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like .500 or something ridiculously unsustainable...
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| | | 532 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 12:38
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531: That's what they said after the first week. Now it has been over a month. I am not saying he will keep it up all ssn, but take the innings he has played and compare it to some of the Pitchers. Papplebon has come out and called him a joke to be mentioned at all as a possible all star candidate. yet he has thrown what max of 70 IPs per year or so? So maybe half that at ASG when he used to go?
A couple weeks ago I did about 15 of my MLB all star ballots and I didn't write him in. A few days ago I did the last 20 or so and did write him in. There is no way he will get the late votes and write in to make the game, but I felt he deserved it. The last player to make the ASG as a write in was Steve Garvey and he was MVP.
It's a shame that the Dodgers didn't keep him with the club after Spring with what he did there and esp. with Crawford not 100%. I get the starting the service time late, etc. and getting his ABs since he hadn't played ball in over a year, but I don't know why they waited so long to call him up as the Dodgers floundered offensively. Still they didn't call him up until they had to when both Kemp and Crawford went on DL. Hell I was ready for them to call up Joc Pederson too, but he is not on 40 man roster and Dodgers say they have no intention of calling him up. In fact, they won't even promote him to AAA at this point. Maybe he will start there at the beginning of next ssn. The Dodgers OF is way too crowded already and Crawford is due back any day.
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| | | 533 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 13:07
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I am cool with him in the ASG -- I think it would be just fine for him to be the first of the injury replacements. Maybe not getting the vote for season long production, but getting recognized by the coaches for being one of the best (hottest) players in the league (cause after all the game "counts" so they want the best lineup possible that day).
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| | | 534 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 13:08
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And anyway - its supposed to be for who the fans want to see... so not only is he producing but I'm sure most fans would like their first glimpse of him.
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| | | 535 | BH
ID: 1207919
Fri, Jul 05, 2013, 14:56
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I don't think Puig is going to stay over .350 for the entire season. Or ssn as Ref calls it (why?!).
I do want to see Puig in the ASG this year, since he's interesting.
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| | | 536 | Perm Dude
ID: 24625213
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 02:41
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Hasn't been up long enough to be at the ASB, IMO. And he would have to take someone else's position to do so.
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| | | 537 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 14:09
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I am sending Slizz my 6th for his last rounder in that deal.
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| | | 538 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 14:52
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Confirmed.
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| | | 539 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 18:43
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Ruf.
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| | | 540 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 19:57
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You want him Judy?
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| | | 541 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 06, 2013, 21:31
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Not yet...loading up on other 2014 prospects so need to count the numbers for keeps...
Just thought I would counter ref's "Puig"... I just now need Ruf to do things...
Talk here is that Howard might need surgery which would end his season -- doubt that unless he needs micro fracture surgery. He certainly declined quickly... That would put Ruf on 1B...I would assume.
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| | | 542 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 13:20
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Ruf is starting at 1B...
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| | | 543 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jul 08, 2013, 00:45
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Note to all: Grant Green is a prospect. Don't pick him up.
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| | | 544 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jul 08, 2013, 19:53
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Ruf gets his 2014 audition!!!
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| | | 545 | Perm Dude
ID: 24625213
Mon, Jul 08, 2013, 20:59
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As a result, Dom Brown moves up to cleanup as well. A double win!
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| | | 546 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Jul 08, 2013, 22:38
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Still looking for a good SP or 2... anyone interested in a deal like the Lackey one???
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| | | 547 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 12:25
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Well I have never witnessed a deal for 3 years out until that one. I didn't give a thought to whoever suggested we keep it to 2 ssns or less, but now that it has happened, I'd vote for it.
Btw, on the year Hanley is hitting .429. Puig is hitting .409.
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| | | 548 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 20:12
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Hell might have frozen over. Stay tuned.
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| | | 549 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 21:26
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I also support a cap on years for deals, but am happy to put it to a vote.
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| | | 550 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 22:34
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Picks in that trade...
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| | | 551 | Species
ID: 26645921
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 22:45
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Species / blue hen trade includes the following:
blue hen receives:
Jaydog's 2014 1st round prospect pick
Species' 2014 2nd round pick
Jaydog's 2015 1st round pick
Pete N.'s 2015 3rd round pick
Species gets:
Jaydog's 2014 14th round pick
blue hen's 2015 11th round pick
blue hen's 2015 12th round pick
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| | | 552 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 22:57
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Nicely done BH. I was looking to aquire Kemp, but Species pulled out an arsenal of picks to get the deal done. Kudos to both managers for making the trade.
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| | | 553 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 23:00
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Confirmed. In addition to Stephen Drew being on the block, I'm looking to use some of my newly acquired picks to win in 2013. Let's see those offers.
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| | | 554 | Species
ID: 26645921
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 09:44
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youngroman picked up his own prospect, Chris Archer.
I'm calling that his first callup.
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| | | 555 | Species
ID: 26645921
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 09:59
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If a rule change is to be adopted, someone needs to champion the cause. Anyone can put a rule change up for discussion, and ultimately a vote. It does not have to be a Commissioner.
The 'no draft picks more than 2 years out' proposal has been out there enough to put to a vote if someone chooses. Just be sure to include in your proposal whether or not the proposed change goes into effect immediately or at the end of the season.
We also need to word it properly. Perhaps the limitation would be no more than two DRAFTS away. So, at this moment in time as an example, the picks that could be considered in trade are 2014 and 2015.
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| | | 556 | Species
ID: 26645921
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 10:09
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Expanding 555 -- be sure to consider how the rule would be applied in the middle of a supplemental draft. Say it is March 15th 2014 and we are in the midst of the 2014 supplemental draft. Can 2016 picks be exchanged?
Laugh if you want....but if it will come up in any league, it would be this one!
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| | | 557 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 11:20
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re 554: sorry Species. didn't notice this. I have marked all starting pitcher prospects in ESPN, but apparently not my own, so I was sure that I am allowed to pick him up, I just did not remember that he was my prospect and it is a callup, most likely his 1st and last.
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| | | 558 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 11:39
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I think once the 1 draft starts it adds another year on to the eligible pick trading window.
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| | | 559 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 21:27
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Agree with GO.
Judy: Ruf.
When you gonna trade me?
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| | | 560 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 23:15
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Ruf, ruf...
Soriano's raking it! (Except today...)
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| | | 561 | Species
ID: 271152305
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 12:08
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Speaking of trades.....Judy - please email me....got a trade proposal.
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| | | 562 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 16:45
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Me too, Judy
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| | | 563 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 19:53
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No picks involved in trade.
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| | | 564 | Judy
ID: 28523116
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 20:56
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FYI:
CarGo and Lee are untouchable unless deal favors me!
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| | | 565 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 22:30
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Well, I'm not making an offer unless you email me!
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| | | 567 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jul 13, 2013, 12:58
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Alright folks, I dropped Sonny Gray, one of the best prospects in baseball. Let's see if he gets picked up by the usual suspects, or if one of the less active non-contenders takes a shot. Looking at you, R9, Goatlocker, and Nerf.
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| | | 568 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jul 13, 2013, 18:03
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Ruf.
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| | | 569 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 14, 2013, 12:05
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Ruf, Ruf...
But sad about Revere, he was really getting hot.
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| | | 570 | R9
ID: 366471420
Sun, Jul 14, 2013, 21:56
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Hi guys, I'm calling up Kolton Wong and renouncing him as a prospect. I'm also renoucning Anthony Gose and Tyler Thornburg.
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| | | 571 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Jul 14, 2013, 22:39
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That puts R9 in compliance with the terms of the exception rule from last year.
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| | | 572 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 08:51
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Jose Fernandez is 6 innings away from hitting his prospect innings limit. If/when he passes that mark, he will remain a permanent fixture on my team.
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| | | 573 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 13:40
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If he hits the mark while being called up, he loses prospect status instantly (since he can't be sent down/released again w/o losing his rights).
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| | | 574 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 14:53
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573: So.....yeah....slizz could legally send him down right now and he could remain on the prospect list. However, he would have to be called up at the keeper deadline and kept as part of slizz' 9 keepers. He is not eligible for a "call up and renounce" as a 10th keeper (a la Wil Myers) if he eclipses the 110ip limit.
I guess the benefit is that slizz saves a roster spot the rest of this season if he sends him down.
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| | | 575 | Perm Dude
ID: 24625213
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 15:08
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Right. But the callup system is for players with inconsistent playing time, or not-yet high enough quality play. Fernandez isn't a guy we can replace with better quality guy off the wire, at this point!
He's only 5-5 (he is, after all, a Marlin!) but he's averaging almost a K/IP and a nice 1.08 WHIP.
About the only thing we didn't like is that we didn't call him up at the very beginning of the season!
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| | | 576 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 18:32
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If Slizz/PD doesn't send Fernandez down this week. I am putting a veto up to a vote.
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| | | 577 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jul 15, 2013, 20:23
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What's the benefit of sending him down??
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| | | 578 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 04:12
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if you are out of it this year you send him down to take another player with potential of being the 8th keeper with Fernandez being your 9th.
how likely is it that such a non-prospect is called up and keeper worthy? Puig.
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| | | 579 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 05:59
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The case for keeping Fernandez on the active - he's awesome and a top 10 starting pitcher since he found his bearings.
The case against keeping him up - Innings cap projected at 150 ip. That gives him approximately 7-8 starts and than he's inactive until next year where he is projected 175 ip.
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| | | 580 | Jaydog
ID: 366501612
Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 13:52
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Allstar Break Recap for team Jaydog:
Was hoping to make a run at the title this year, and while I'm certainly not out of it, the first half was definitely a disappointment.
Yadier Molina, Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Ian Desmond, Jay Bruce, and Torii Hunter have all met expectations. While I'm happy with each's production, it would be nice to see one of my hitters go above and beyond what's expected of them, maybe in the 2nd half.
Josh Hamilton has been a complete disaster (although I am surprised to see that he's hit 14 HR's with how terrible he's been.
Juan Pierre was at least stealing bases, although he wasn't doing anything else until he lost his job.
Emilio Bonifacio is getting regular playing time, but not hitting OR stealing bases the way he's accustomed to.
Aramis Ramirez has been hurt most of the year, and Jeff Keppinger has been very underwhelming as a super utility guy (although he's shown streaks of offense giving me a touch of hope).
As far as pitchers go:
Matt Harvey has progressed much quicker than even I (as a die hard Mets fan) could have ever hoped for. He's one of the few bright spots on my staff.
Ervin Santana and Wandy Rodriguez have given me more than I could have expected, although Wandy has been on the shelf for a while, and I'm losing patience.
Johnny Cueto (Injury) and Matt Cain (Performance) have been disasters. Going into the season, I had extreme confidence in the top of my rotation, with good reason, and have been let down mightily.
Overall, given the lack of production from some of by biggest bats (Ramirez and Hamilton), and getting near to nothing from Cain and Cueto, I'm happy to be in 6th place. It will take quite a climb to get near the top, but if Hamilton can go on one of his patented tears, Cain can pitch like Cain, and Ramirez and Cueto come back strong from injury I may have a shot at it.
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| | | 581 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 08:56
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Sending down Jose Fernandez, SP, MIA
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| | | 582 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 09:21
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Good post, jd.
Kinda miffed why I didn't pickup carpenter on Monday when good news came out on him, but hats off to darkside.
Youngroman made the best point. It's quite obvious he (Fernandez) will be my 8th or 9th keeper (pending Rendon ab), but there is always that chance I could find another keeper with that slot. Additionally, he will be shut down sometime in August and its another slot I will have devoted to an inactive player.
I'm confident this is the season where my team's foundation was finally laid. Starting in 2014, my roster will feature young players with great pedigree and long-term viability:
2B - Anthony Rendon
3B - Nolan Arenado
OF - Dom Brown
OF - Oswaldo Arcia
SP - Jose Fernandez
SP - Tyler Skaggs
RP - Addison Reed
Seven roster spots I can count on keeping beyond 2014. Of those seven...Dom Brown is the elder statesman. Like Species, I predict 2015 is gonna be the year where I will have a legitimate chance to compete.
I know I paid a steep price for Arenado because Morrison could be just as good and I already featured a solid 3rd baseman in Frazier...I viewed it as a buyers opportunity to get a guy I've wanted on my squad for two years now. I once re-drafted him with the third pick in the 2012 p draft (was voided bc Nerf already had him and I took Correa with the replacement selection). Nerf already had Alvarez at third so I figured I'd make him an offer that couldn't be beat. Hopefully the gamble pays off.
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| | | 583 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 09:22
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...if only Dee Gordon could pan out!!
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| | | 584 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 11:05
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Re: Gordon
You can't steal first and his D is worse than Hanley. Much worse.his ONLY hope is to move to 2B and hit the ball if he ever gets another chance in the majors. The Dodgers could really use his speed if he could get things figured out. I am not sure he will though. Hu and Gordon just never hit their potential at SS.
The Dodgers are looking much better now. They still need to upgrade at 3B and at some point 2B along with getting some bullpen help. Even a nice SS could move Hanley to 3B.
The outfield is packed. Not only do they have 4 starters right now, but you have Van Slyke and in AAA there is Castellanos who had a great Spring (many thought would make the team then) they really like. Then there is Pedersen who has had a great year in AA. Without that miserable start, the Dodgers would be up there as one of the top teams in baseball. I blame at least part of the issues on the GM and manager for refusing to let Puig stay in the majors and for the bonehead decisions early on with the lineup and pitching decisions.
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| | | 585 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 11:41
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That's what makes Dee so intriguing...the speed at middle infield. He could singlehandedly get you 12-15 points without really sacrificing anything in the power categories. I know Dee is playing 2B in AAA now...maybe he gets called up later on this season?
I agree Ref...Dodgers finally finding their groove and unlike the Angels, they won't face a steep uphill climb as the division isn't as strong at the top.
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| | | 586 | darkside
ID: 1425647
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 18:37
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The trade with GO includes his 1st round for my 7th next year.
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| | | 587 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 18:54
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Wow, I guess Jason Grilli is on the block.
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| | | 588 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 08:02
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darky offered me Nathan a long time ago, but I just couldn't part with a first for him. Esp if Scheppers is truly taking over next ssn. Nathan will helps GO a lot this year though. As I always say, sometimes you have to overpay to get what you need.
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| | | 589 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 08:52
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Well the bonus is that I had two 1st's next year... I am holding Species very high 1st pick still from Profar/Longoria. And obviously mine will be later in the 1st round.
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| | | 590 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 09:32
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Joakim Soria would like a word with Scheppers and Ref before all is said and done...
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| | | 591 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 11:34
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Question for you guys:
Assume I end the year with more than 4 prospects.
At the time of the draft I can "renounce" the extra(s) and put him on my team as a tenth "keeper" and lose my round 14 pick?
Is this correct?
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| | | 592 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 11:45
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And follow up... if you do that do you then free up a Prospect Pick for the draft?
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| | | 593 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 11:48
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If someone has 30 something SP who should finish the year strong (i.e. AJ?) I'd likely swap him for Bucholz who I don't think I can keep anyway already having Shelby, Moore, GCole, Gio and even CC... I am not gonna wait on Bucholz to get healthy when I can't likely keep him.
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| | | 594 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 11:53
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Go --
I would guess that if you move 2 of the 4 up, then there would be room for a draft pick...?
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| | | 595 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 12:31
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I'll have 2 picks next year, Profar and Shelby won't be prospects - Cole has a chance. I've just been trying to figure it out to see if I can definitely trade away up to 3 prospect picks.
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| | | 596 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 16:51
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I needed some clarification as well.
I have 2 prospects Baez and Russell. If I do nothing, next year do I get a prospect pick in the 1st round?
I traded BH my pick this year... does that still affect next year?
Say I trade someone Russell... then I only have Baez. Do I get 2 picks next year? Rounds 1 and 2?
Thanks.
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| | | 597 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 17:58
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Judy - in a nutshell, yes you are correct. To recap the process in a linear fashion:
1) At the keeper deadline, a prospects are reviewed against limits. If they exceed limits, the must be called up to your regular roster or renounced outright. Jose Fernandez is likely to be subject to this.
2) We have our normal keeper deadline to announce our 9 keepers
3) AFTER our 9 keepers are announced, we have our Prospect Keeper deadline. All teams must be down to no more than 3 prospects. Teams may call up and renounce a prospect at this time, a la Wil Myers and Jean Segura, and these players are akin to a 10th keeper.
4) If you still have 3 prospects, you get no picks. If you have 2 prospects, you have your first round pick....etc.
Note: if you have traded a Prospect Pick, you MUST cut down to the appropriate number of prospects needed to accommodate your trade.
WG - prospect picks are awarded annually. Your trade of your 2013 pick has no bearing on your 2014 draft. It does effect bh, in that he must cut down to no more than 3 prospects come March.
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| | | 598 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 18:51
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Trade Alert
Pete gets:
Will Middlebrooks
GO's 2014 4th round pick
GO gets:
Mike Napoli
Pete's 2014 14th round pick
GO to confirm on the pick exchange.
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| | | 599 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 19:14
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GO is all in...like Jim Fassel back in the day:
Jim Fassel Guarantee
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| | | 600 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 19:36
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I'm still looking to deal Veras and/or Benoit. Any contenders looking for cheap saves, let me know. I'd be looking for draft pick consideration in the middle rounds of 2014 supplemental draft.
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| | | 601 | GO
ID: 25651921
Fri, Jul 19, 2013, 22:05
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Trade confirmed.
Definitely got all my poker chips all in, Fassell about sums it up... still got 3 (likely) prospect picks for sale for another SP, maybe another bat upgrade.
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| | | 602 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 15:38
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While we are on pitchers. I have some that could make great additions to a contending team:
John Lester
Jeremy Hellickkkkkkkkson
Dan "Amazing" Straily
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| | | 603 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 16:44
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TRADE ALERT
WG gets:
CarGo
Sam n Max (Judy) gets:
Freeman
Cobb
Lyles
Russell (p)
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| | | 604 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 17:08
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Judy, I thought you had to win any trade you were involved in...
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| | | 605 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 17:12
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confirmed
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| | | 606 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 17:12
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BH you diss every move I make so I just laugh at your comments...
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| | | 607 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 17:56
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The trade couldn't be more perfect for WG. With two first basemen, he needed an outfielder who steals some bases and equal Freeman's baseline without hurting his ob%. Mission accomplished.
Judy is in dire need of keepers. As nice as it is to have cargo...she needed more bodies to fill her keepers out. She got a rock solid first baseman and a top 10 prospect. Additionally, she got a keeper-quality type pitcher in Cobb.
Sure, WG wins the deal this season, but what good is having Cargo and the rest of the cupboard bare next season?
It's a step in the right direction next season.
BH, Ref, AA...GO and WG are eagerly awaiting your next move!
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| | | 608 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 18:20
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ON THE BLOCK
'
Available for 2014 or 2015 supplemental draft picks;
Carl Crawford
Jayson Werth
Steve Cishek
Huston Street
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| | | 609 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 18:29
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Slizz -- you nailed it!
My projected keepers for 2014 are:
C McCann
1B Freeman
2B Hill (if he has a good year)
3B Franco (still in minors)
OF A jackson
SP Lee
SP Cobb
SP Lyles
SP Biddle (still in minors)
Prospects -- most looking at a sometime in 2014 call up, I think...
Russell
Choice
Asche
Bradley
Most definitely a youth movement!!!
If young is traded, Asche might be up this year...he and Franco play the same position...hmmm...
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| | | 610 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Jul 20, 2013, 22:20
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I tried to get CarGo for a long time but Judy was always on vacation lol. I don't have much I can do at this point. I am a solid 5th/6th right now. I doubt I make any more moves except to sell off some things if I can't get any higher. If something fell in my lap, I'd look at it, but I just don't see how I can do it at this point. Pitchers blowing up. A few hitters not getting it done. Too many disappointments. But at least my Dodgers are doing well for me. Though Puig is on the verge of going hitless in two straight games for the first time.
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| | | 611 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 07:20
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Judy - I'm sure I'm in the majority here when I say this...Lyles is not and should not be a keeper.
However, you now feature a young, promising, core infield with the additions of Russell and Freeman. Early in 2014, you will struggle to fill out the roster until the Super Two deadline passes...then we will most likely see Franco and Russell up as mainstays on your roster.
I'm surprised you didn't ask for Cosart instead of Lyles...I sincerely doubt WG would've held up a deal bc of him for Cargo. Just my two cents.
Ref - there is still value to be had. GO positioned himself to gain a couple points with the addition of Napoli and should maintain his pitching bc it's among the best.
And when Puig is not hitting. He's making up for it defensively.
Puig.
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| | | 612 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 08:31
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My current team is SO WEAK. Lyles will be compared with others on my roster when the time comes; i agree with your assessment. But for now he is in the mix (Hudson and Arroyo -- i can keep one of them...). We did discuss both cosart and Salazar...and yes, my early season roster for next year will be very interesting until the expected call ups occur...
I am just wondering what the phillies are going to do with both Asche and Franco raking it and both playing 3B...if they lose utley, does one learn how to play 2B?
Also if my 2014's all come up and do well, I will have too many keepers for 2015!!!
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| | | 613 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 10:28
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Judy, I try to be objective in evaluating trades. In my opinion, you could have gotten much more for CarGo. Much, much more. Or kept him.
It's especially surprising after your comment above that you need to be the winner in any trade you make.
What's done is done. Personally, I see this trade as more lopsided than the Fielder/Stanton deal. Not that you were colluding- I am 100% sure you weren't, but I think that you have seriously mis-evaluated the talents of players involved here.
I hope you don't see this as a personal attack- I have a strong opinion on every trade that goes through and I was just expressing it.
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| | | 614 | Species
ID: 36202110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 11:20
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Oh good Lord bh.....this is not worse than your Fielder/Scherzer/Choo trade! Shaddup!
Trades processed in the constitution.
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| | | 615 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 11:37
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BH is the Scott Boras of trades. He has the quality clientele and demands only the best return...
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| | | 616 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 11:41
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614 Amen! BH you need to put down the pipe. You are the one who has to win every trade you make.
I offered Judy a TON of picks. Asked her what players she wanted after she didn't like the first two I offered her and offered two of my 3 prospects. I just don't think she was ready to trade back then. Now it is pretty difficult to give up your future when you can't improve much in the standings now.
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| | | 617 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 11:54
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Thank goodness I'm not the only one who found BH's comment absurd.
Commishes, could you please add to the constitution the trade I made w/ GO on 7/17--his 1st for my 7th for Nathan.
Thanks!
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| | | 618 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 12:43
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613: "winner in any trade"
It was a joke! Lighten up bh!
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| | | 619 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 12:51
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Ref. I did think about it, but I did not like any of the players you offered -- back then -- Even forget who they were now. I am still very leery of picks as they are so NOT a sure thing...but I think the ones I have now should do well...and be up next year or the next.
Taking the plunge for the future. We shall see how it develops...
And, yeah, I've been away from home more often than normal this spring/summer. Plus I like to take my time, obviously...
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| | | 620 | Species
ID: 36202110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 13:46
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601: Don't worry GO. I've got plenty of picks left for 2014 that I will give you for those extra pitchers :)
617: Thanks darkside. I missed that one. Corrected.
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| | | 621 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 14:16
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619: I know Judy, that's why I said pick a player and we'd see if we couldn't negotiate something with someone you wanted. I figured you would want Holliday. But ultimately I din't think you were going to trade CarGo no matter what so I let it die. Still two prospects and a couple high picks the next two years with a keeper player or two was offering a lot I felt. I love CarGo and I think WG got a extremely helpful player for our league.
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| | | 622 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 14:52
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Matt Holliday? No.
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| | | 623 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 14:55
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614: disagree. Of course, that's why we play, because everyone values players differently.
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| | | 624 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 14:57
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Carlos Gonzalez, Col OF S Judy
362 108 69 26 65 39 16 .366 4.41 100.0
Freddie Freeman, Atl 1B WG
315 97 50 10 64 37 0 .385 2.80 100.0
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| | | 625 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 15:05
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I do find it a bit ironic Judy gave me so much heat on my trade with BH, even going as far as to veto it, but then turns around and trades CarGo for that. Obviously, no collusion here so I didn't veto. As much as I like Freeman and Cobb, they are definitely not worth CarGo. When I made my trade, I was capturing what I feel like is the #1 keeper in baseball and an underperforming yet still very talented bat at 1st base. CarGo is a top 10 keep and I don't see anything even close in return. That's what makes fantasy sports fun though. Nice trade WG!
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| | | 626 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 15:20
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I felt like I was overpaying for CarGo and would have even done a better player so would have paid more but you have to appeal to that person's taste in players.
I formally move that we remove Vetoes from our game altogether. If someone colludes, remove them from the league. I have caught much much more heat than Pete or bh did combined in some of my deals and two or three of them have gone the other way--just like the one I made last year is heading. Football we have to keep them in as people can sometimes try and circumvent the byes, but the other sports we have should be gone.
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| | | 627 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 15:30
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I support Ref's proposal regarding the current trade review/veto process. If someone colludes, they should be removed from the league. Otherwise, let people do what they feel is in the best interest of their team. We have a great group of managers in this league.
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| | | 628 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 16:57
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Oh well. As usual, time will tell...
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| | | 629 | Species
ID: 36202110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 17:10
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Kemp
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| | | 630 | Bh
ID: 286392118
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 19:39
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Today's game was so Kemp. Hits a homer and gets injured. He'll be fine- Species will be happy. Now we just need Prince Fielder to have a typical Fielder game.
And looks like WG got Lyles'd today.
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| | | 631 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 19:45
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Thanks, Species.
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| | | 632 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 19:46
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Ha! I just noticed that I traded GO my 7th rounder twice this year. Very sneaky of me.
Species, would you mind updating the Nathan trade to be for my 6th rounder? Thanks!
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| | | 633 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 19:59
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630. Lysosed is more like it...(as in lysosomes for you non science folks)
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| | | 634 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 23:11
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Anyone interested in Elvis Andrus? Looking for pitching. Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 635 | GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 23:46
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I support Ref's proposal regarding the current trade review/veto process
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| | | 636 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 08:03
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I support Ref's proposal regarding the current trade review/veto process (626)
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| | | 637 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 09:13
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A veto process, besides being right in itself if a trade is so imbalanced no reasonable manager could make it, is like a vent on a steam boiler. Without it, what will happen is someone will pull off a series of imbalanced trades, because he's a good trader, and outraged managers will complain, as they do now, but it will be much worse because even if they are right there will be NOTHING they can do about it. Things will get more bitter, and personal, and there will be insinuations.
With discussion before a veto vote, the aggrieved parties will have a chance to persuade fellow managers that they are right. The losing-end manager will explain what he was thinking, which relieves some of the tension immediately. (If you look back, the most heated comments come when a manager hasn't yet explained his side of the trade; without a veto, he'd never have to.) If the aggrieved mangers fail to get a veto, as they usually will, at least they had their day in court, and if the guy does it again, they think, surely next time the rest of the league will realize what is happening.
It should be HARDER to veto a trade -- it should take 10 votes -- but it would be both foolish and dangerous to be without a veto process.
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| | | 638 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 09:38
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Disagree with Toral. We do have a system to deal with inappropriateness. Except it's here instead of on ESPN. To undo a trade, it probably needs to be between 15 and 18.
I do think we should vote on the winner of every single trade made via ESPN poll, just so someone who gets hosed has to suffer through a 19-1 showing and will think twice next time. Would also be nice to be able to review those polls in retrospect. What was the sentiment when I traded CarGo for Johan in 2010?
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| | | 639 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 13:59
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(638) I must have missed something. If we remove Vetoes from our game altogether" (626) what is the "system to deal with inappropriateness. Except it's here instead of on ESPN"?
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| | | 640 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 14:14
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I think BH means the peer pressure and discussion that comes to bear on the message board, and that the venting here might be the appropriate place to release the steam in question.
Of course, that pressure here on the boards doesn't have the stick of official weight, which is what I think Toral means.
I think both are needed, FWIW, given the complexity of the trading on the baseball league compared with the others.
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| | | 641 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 17:03
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Accidentally dropped Dee Gordon by hitting the wrong prompt on the ESPN Mobile app.
Please restore him to my roster.
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| | | 642 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 18:23
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Braun out -- guilty as charged, probably last time too.
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| | | 643 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 19:21
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Who cares? I have this season locked up.
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| | | 644 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 20:13
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RE: 637 --- This isn't a public yahoo league. This is the best of the best. However, if a manager went rogue and was that brazen, commishes could ban/remove the individual and reverse the trade(s) citing integrity of the league as a reason for the reversals.
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| | | 645 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 08:18
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Welp, we let Wazaap Guy get Jake Marisnick. One of these days, someone is going to put a stop to this...
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| | | 646 | Species
ID: 26645921
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 09:59
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Really??? Geez. I totally forgot Marisnick was dropped from the prospect list. Grrrrr.
Just as one manager - not a commish - I'm thinking of keeping vetoes and just upping the requirement.
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| | | 647 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 10:17
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Braun got off easy:
50 games for use
15 for lying and destroying the credibility of a worker -- that should have been worse than the use...
Watched his "not me" video. What a loser.
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| | | 648 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 10:33
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:
WG trades Jake Marisnick
Slizz trades Jeremy Hellickson
No compensation.
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| | | 649 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 10:36
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I check three names everyday:
One that has not been called up yet
Henry Urruita
Jake Marisnick
Because I'm working day shift...I went to bed early and WG shrewdly beat me to him. Hellickson to WG has been in the works for a while but it was a matter of finding the right compensation.
Hellickson isn't a keeper for me in 2014...but Marisnick could be.
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| | | 650 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 11:33
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Upping the requirement for vetoes is a joke. Getting even 7 managers on in time to actually veto something is hard enough. If something is vetoed, just redo it until not enough show up to veto and you are golden. Some people are too quick to veto. Some people go off on another manager w/o knowing what they are really talking about long term.
Braun got off way too light. 50 for his failed test. And he was facing another 100. Could have even been more for lying about it--which is a conduct issue and not a drug issue. Braun destroyed the character of a man who did everything by the book. He then lied time and time again and only came clean when MLB showed insurmountable proof. He took 65 games to say hey I won't appeal and we will get it done now.
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| | | 651 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 11:52
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I agree on Braun. There seems to be no disincentive at all for the lying he did, month after month. If part of baseball's job is to protect its reputation, there should be an additional punishment for a player lying about something he is later found guilty of doing.
Plus: The guy is injured right now. He should at least be forced to serve those games off when healthy enough to actually play.
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| | | 652 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Jul 23, 2013, 13:40
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I'm for upping the veto.
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| | | 653 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 09:53
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It really doesn't bother me either way. As it was eluded to above, if that person was acting in a manner not consistent with the league standard...they'd be booted out.
On a brighter note, I still have plenty of quality left to deal.
Straily
Lester
Porcello
Morneau
Brantley
Ruf
Outside of the 7 listed above, these guys could be the keys to a contender...Make me an offer!
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| | | 654 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 10:19
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Ruf...
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| | | 655 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 10:28
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Judy stop beating around the bush. Ruf belongs on your squad and you could stand to upgrade that keeper pitching!
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| | | 656 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 14:00
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I don't have any room for Ruf with freeman on board, agree on the keeper P. got any cheap?
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| | | 657 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 14:03
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Just added junior lake for a tryout for my 2014 team...
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| | | 658 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 16:39
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Mr. Olt would like a word with you...lol
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| | | 659 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 18:45
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When is the trade deadline?
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| | | 660 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 21:42
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Good question nerf!
Answer, anyone?
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| | | 661 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 21:53
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FYI
they are looking for managers for football - rifc AA. If you know of a buddy who would like to play check out the thread.
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| | | 662 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 23:28
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Just great: my pitching challenged teams loses Hudson for probably a coupla months, maybe season. It looked gruesome, ankles are not supposed to do that. Hope his Achilles is OK.
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| | | 663 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 09:14
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2 days ago I gained (Melancon) and lost (K-Rod traded) a closer just hours apart.... Painful.
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| | | 664 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 11:04
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I'm putting Travis Wood on the block. I'd love to keep him but I think he's the odd man out on an exceptional pitching staff. Looking for 1B/OF/SS or an early round pick.
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| | | 665 | blue hen
ID: 388582821
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 19:39
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Also looking to deal Kyle Blanks and Jesus Montero. While neither is currently playing, they can both rake and have been kept in the past.
Also looking to deal Patrick Corbin for an older pitcher of similar value plus something else.
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| | | 666 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 20:15
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Hey Slizz, perhaps you should send Arenado down too. Like today, since he's within 10 AB of the limit.
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| | | 667 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 20:34
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Its my understanding there is no benefit to sending a prospect down. If they are over the limit at keeper deadline, have to be kept or renounced.
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| | | 668 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 20:55
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Once they go over the limit they can't be sent down.
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| | | 669 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 21:10
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He gets a roster spot from now until March. Unless Arenado is leading him to the lottery, it's in his interests to send Arenado down and pick up Sonny Gray or someone.
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| | | 670 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Jul 25, 2013, 22:36
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bh, the king of backseat fantasy driving.
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| | | 671 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 07:26
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Thanks for the advice. With respect to Arenado, I would have to replace him with another 3rd baseman. It would be one thing if I had Todd Frazier on my roster where a move like that would make sense.
Sending down Jose Fernandez was different bc, in theory, I could find an 8th keeper with that spot. Sending down Arenado for Dominguez or Betancourt doesn't make sense to me. I'm fine with Arenado as my 3B.
It would suck if he gets demoted for whatever reason and I'm stuck carrying him though.
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| | | 672 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 12:44
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OUR trade deadline please...
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| | | 673 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 12:51
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end of august... there wasn't one set, i just made it Friday, August 30, 12PM ET
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| | | 674 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 13:47
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I want to bring up a prospect and make a drop.
Can I do it or does a commish have to?
Bring up Christian Yelich
Drop Lance Berkman - Hate to do it, but sure does appear he is done.
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| | | 675 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 14:13
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Do it. Commish will archive.
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| | | 676 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 26, 2013, 22:55
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Done
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| | | 677 | GO
ID: 13629419
Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 22:36
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Puig II link
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| | | 678 | GO
ID: 13629419
Sat, Jul 27, 2013, 22:46
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haha... he just got thrown out rounding first and turning around to go back...
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| | | 679 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 02:22
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With Cargo down, I'm looking for a cheap fill-in hitter for a lower pick swap (like 6-9 or 7-10?)... anyone got a half decent OBP guy that they would move in a deal like this? Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 680 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 09:09
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What are the position limits? Junior lake has 10 games in the OF but does not seem to have OF eligibility yet?? I expected him to have it for today...
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| | | 682 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 13:09
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Then why is he still listed as a SS only? I could use him today.
SLOT PLAYER, TEAM POS ACTION OPP STATUS ET C 1B 2B 3B SS LF CF RF
Junior Lake, ChC SS
@SF
4:05 PM -- -- -- -- PP 3 7 -- -- -- --
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| | | 683 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 15:11
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How do you pick up the phillies new Cuban sp? He is not listed...
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| | | 684 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 16:48
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Judy, Gonzalez will either go on waivers (if he plays in 2013) or go through next year's p-draft.
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| | | 685 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 17:48
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683: Way to be stealth about it, Judy!! lmao
Espn *typically* only adds rookies mid-season once they ay a game. They add tons pre-season ..... although I have no idea what their criteria is.
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| | | 686 | GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 18:09
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Species confirm you updated Goats move (or someone).
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| | | 687 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 18:24
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Like I would write, what if a player is not listed how to get him and no one would figure it out.? I'll bet bh has an alert on his phone to let him know the very instant said player would be available!
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| | | 688 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 18:26
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682: so when does L ake get to play the OF in espn? Today was game #11.
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| | | 689 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 19:02
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Weird. Have you emailed them?
Nice job having Alfonso in the lineup today, btw.
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| | | 690 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 19:24
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Yea, I figured he couldn't go ofer for that long...
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| | | 691 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 19:25
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Where is the email link?
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ID: 13629419
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 20:43
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Judy - I think BH has stated multiple times that players won't randomly get added to the database midseason. This happened one time years ago and they eliminated it. If not in the system now they wouldn't get added unless they actually play a game.
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| | | 694 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 23:20
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I have several hitters that can serve as starters, or depth for the contenders. Inquire within.
C - Miguel Montero
1B - Paul Konerko
2B - Howie Kendrick, Marco Scutaro (2B/SS)
SS - Asdrubal Cabrera
OF - Coco Crisp, Nick Markakis, Andre Ethier
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| | | 695 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 23:24
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@Judy - From the FAQ page -
When are rookies placed on the Waiver Wire?
Players will be listed on the ESPN Fantasy Baseball waiver/free agent list the morning after they are officially added to the team's 25-man roster (which is often the day after they play for the first time, since most big-league teams make the roster moves right before the start of the games.) Therefore, if you see a rookie make his debut, he will be in the player pool that next morning, if he is not already in it.
Before the season begins, ESPN may manually add without notice any player our experts believe has a legitimate shot at playing in the upcoming season, even if that rookie is not on the 40-man roster yet. When we do so, those players will show up, either in FA or on waivers.
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| | | 696 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 08:30
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Wasn't thinking that he would be classified as a "rookie".
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| | | 697 | GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 09:02
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Has he played in MLB before? He's from some other country?
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| | | 698 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 10:05
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Ichiro had 1278 professional hits in Japan, and was 7-time all-star. And then he was MLB Rookie of the Year in 2001.
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| | | 699 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 12:23
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This Wil Myers kid is pretty good
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| | | 700 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 16:12
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No picks in my trade with GO.
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| | | 702 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 16:26
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Great move by mjd. I'm sure GO took possible Biogenesis fallout into account.....at least I hope so. But mjd gets value for Colon who could be out for 100 games. Dig it.
If Colon escapes suspension.....like the move a lot for him as well. Colon and the A's are on a huge roll. In Colon's case....it's a double pastrami with cheese on a Kaiser roll.
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| | | 703 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 16:43
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And a big ass side of bacon.
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| | | 704 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 17:00
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I've had several contenders sniffing around Colon for a while now.
Stultz and Kendrick as well.
Hard to turn this one down, as I drafted neither player.
I think Davis was a good pickup for him also. He steals bases in bunches and GO can pick up a point or more there.
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| | | 705 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 22:19
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#699
I drafted him in AAA and held on...glad I did...
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| | | 706 | Ref
ID: 386252923
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 00:25
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Trading deadline is 11:59 pm on August 31. We did this because rosters increased on Sept 1 and we wanted deadline at the last possible time before then.
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| | | 707 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 08:43
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FYI - its actually Friday, August 30, 12PM ET
Thats the latest August date available.
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| | | 708 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 10:37
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12 pm meaning noon? How about midnight?
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| | | 709 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 10:39
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Whats the difference? A time is a time and that's the available choice. Probably noon so all trades process 24 hours later to put guys into the next days games.
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| | | 710 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 11:33
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Ah, noon makes sense then...
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| | | 711 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 12:55
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Asche called up.
Looks like he gets an audition for your squad Judy!
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| | | 712 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 13:01
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I was offered Bucholz yesterday as well. I didn't even have time to consider him (I was at work) before he was traded to someone else. LOL. Shotgun trading.
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| | | 713 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 14:16
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GO doesn't dick around.
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| | | 714 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 15:04
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712: lol.....you snooze you lose. Wish I had someone Bucholz-worthy
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| | | 715 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 15:41
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Ah, yes, my babies are arriving in the BIGS.
As a side note, anyone interested in michael young? I plan to dump a P when I add Asche.
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| | | 716 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 15:44
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Okay then I call up Asche and drop Travis Snyder (changed my mind...)
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| | | 717 | Ref
ID: 386252923
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 17:03
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Re Trade deadline: What GO is saying is that we don't have a choice in ESPN like we did CBS. Here we have to take what they give us and that is the last available time they have. So it's 36 hrs earlier--big deal--just trade quicker.
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| | | 718 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 18:32
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Nobody wants a midnight deadline. Noon is fine by me anyway.
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| | | 719 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 09:00
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The choices are all Friday's at noon over the last couple months.
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| | | 720 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 12:28
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Question: if Asche does not get enough AB this season (150?) can I move him back down to my prospect list before the end of the season?
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| | | 721 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 12:44
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The 150 ab limit is for drafting a prospect. The limit in which he is no longer considered a prospect at the end of the season is 300 ABs. No way he reaches that.
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| | | 722 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 13:17
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Oh, that's great. So he gets his audition for me and the phillies, but I can move him back down mid September and have room for a keeper. Sweet.
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| | | 723 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 31, 2013, 22:36
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And THOSE are the pirate fans I remember!! I Iived there for for 90-92 seasons. Still have a pirates jacket which I expect to wear proudly this fall!
Q: And where were you when SId slid?
A: in my living room, sadly looking at my now useless World Series tickets for three rivers...I had been to two of the playoff games already...
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| | | 724 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 14:11
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Still looking to trade for a hitter. As I expected, the teams making offers are also the ones most actively managing their teams.
My address is included here, so you can be sure to reach me.
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| | | 725 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 15:10
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As I expected, bh insults half the league while trying to solicit trade offers. Well played.
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| | | 726 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 15:16
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It is part of his strategy of "winning" every trade.
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| | | 727 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 15:17
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Jed Lowrie available to the best offer. .358 OBP and decent counting numbers for a 2nd/SS. Not looking for a huge return.
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| | | 728 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 17:19
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In my defense, I insulted the half of the league that probably doesn't check in here so often. And not like the offers are coming in anyway.
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| | | 729 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 21:29
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Papelbon stinks....
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| | | 730 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 22:03
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Great irony. The night brad lidge retires as a phillie, papelbum blows his sixth save after Hamels bagels sf. "Not what I came here for." Too bad we can't get rid of him.
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| | | 731 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 22:37
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No, the Phillies suck. In his 6 blown saves he's allowed 6 ER.
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| | | 732 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 22:38
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Re: 723 - as missanelli would say, that's a violation.
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| | | 733 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 09:49
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I'm glad Lidge retired as a Phillie, but perhaps we should have put him in the bullpen. Flags fly forever.
Really great seeing the duel between Hamels and Cain last night, except the ending.
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| | | 734 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 12:36
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Hearing the highlights on the radio of the Giants/Phillies game was hilarious.......RAINING boos for Papelbon followed by a POURING of boos after getting nothing with the bases loaded and NO OUTS. Effing classic.
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| | | 735 | Tosh
ID: 41727116
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 14:58
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Are you sure that wasn't me booing the Mariners bullpen after giving up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th inning? I was over 3000 miles away, so I had to be pretty loud in voicing my displeasure if they were to hear me.
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| | | 736 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 19:09
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Granderson back for GO.....and CC starting. Hope they can help him down the stretch.
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| | | 737 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 19:10
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Judy trades Kendrys Morales, Sea 1B to WG
Judy trades Jonathan Lucroy, Mil C to WG
WG trades Jarred Cosart, Hou SP to Judy
WG trades Danny Salazar, Cle SP to Judy
Plus judy gets WG picks 6 and 9 and WG gets Judy picks 10 and 11.
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| | | 738 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 19:23
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confirmed
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| | | 739 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 22:02
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More babies for me...
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| | | 740 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 22:54
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Ha! Are you nesting, Judy?
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| | | 741 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 23:56
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Ha!
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| | | 742 | allhair allstars
ID: 2375437
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 09:01
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I've an over abundance of pitching looking for a new home. Your excellent and equivalent or wildly undervalued bats appreciated.
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| | | 743 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 09:05
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Funny, that.
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| | | 744 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 11:05
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ON THE BLOCK
Wey-Yin Chen SP Bal
Chris Johnson 3B/1B Atl
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| | | 745 | Species
ID: 26645921
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 11:54
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Team Species mid-rebuild report:
It's funny.....like a mad scientist, I tend to have more fun in my rebuilds then I do when my creations actually amount to something. That said, just because I probably enjoy the process more than the inevitable success doesn't make me appreciate winning any less. Just ask blue hen....who, for all of his skill, bluster and appointment by others as having a cakewalk to titles.....still only has a single shared title to his name (thanks Jake McGee) and is struggling to walk that cakewalk this year.
It all started with the foundation-making trades of Adrian Gonzalez (and others) to Toral for Profar and Myers and Desmond/Rivera to Jaydog for Sano and picks. That trade cost Toral a lot....but unlike blue hen, he was willing to pay the price to actually notch the WIN that will forever be ingrained in G20 lore. Desmond and Rivera have done as expected for Jaydog, but unfortunately for him other factors on his team have disappointed, leaving him on the outside of the top pack.
Since those trades, I made the Profar-for-Longoria move....which furthered my strategy of 2015 pick stockpiling while giving me a young enough key piece (at a key position). Since then, I have been focusing every roster spot and 2013 draft pick I possibly could into assets that were worth something to someone else. Trading assets like Bailey, Veras, Kendrick and Lackey for relatively moderate pick upgrades adds up pretty big all together.
But all of that left me really in-between. I had TONS of picks, a couple of key cogs (Santana, Longoria, Myers and Felix) and a lot of crap I was HOPING would turn into something (d'Arnaud, Upton, Pineda, even Halladay for trade bait), coupled with 3 of the top 10 prospects (3, 4 and 5 I believe in both Keith Law's and Baseball America's midseason rankings) in baseball. Seems like a lot of assets that don't necessarily fit.
....until the "hell froze over" trade between bh and I for Matt Kemp has, in my opinion, helped crystallize how things might look for me in 2015. By leveraging my treasure trove of picks, I got a player who will HOPEFULLY be still stud-worthy (i.e. top 25 overall) in 2015 and 2016 when I'm making my move. In terms of players on my current roster that look to be under 30 years old and still primed to lead my team, I have:
C - Carlos Santana
3b - Evan Longoria
OF - Matt Kemp
OF - Wil Myers
SP - Felix Hernandez
My prospects are coming together QUITE nicely:
- Xander Bogaerts has continued his ascension and looks a lock to be Boston's starting SS in 2014....going through the rookie blues and being ready for prime time in 2015.
- Francisco Lindor has already hit AA and even as the youngest player in the league he is exhibiting his supreme plate discipline that makes his floor VERY high. Even if his ceiling is 10-15 HR, he seems to have a very high chance at a .370+ OBP guy with speed and runs who will rarely be out of the lineup because he is a gold glove-caliber SS.
- Miguel Sano is the best power prospect in the minors. He is still risky given his propensity for strikeouts, but at his young age as well (20) he is still hitting and walking enough that his prodigious, Stanton-like power (26 HR in 97 games so far) will play VERY well. He looks to be a "post Super-2" callup like Myers next year which will allow him to get his feet wet and be ready for a 2015 run.
That gives me a little over a year to find another piece or two to fill in the gaps. Can I do it? Sure hope so.
Speaking of which.....there's a decent chance I will call up and renounce Bogaerts so I can use my very high prospect pick. So anyone anxious to jump on Kris Bryant or Jonathan Gray or others should contact me :)
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| | | 746 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 12:12
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re: 537 Slizz has my 6th for his last round pick.
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| | | 747 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 13:40
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The Judy/WG trade: this one's pretty even. I give the slight edge to Judy because she got actual value for her leftovers. Cosart is polarizing, but I like him, and pick upgrades are useful. Kendrys and Lucroy are small offensive upgrades and somewhat risky. That said, WG saw a need and worked to fill it, so credit there.
Great stuff from Species. He's done well to rebuild.
Again, looking to trade Corbin, Milone, Sale, or Lince for some hitting.
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| | | 748 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 14:23
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My toddler report for 2014/15:
Name, age, expected call up
( ) = still on my prospect list
C McCann, 29
1B Freeman, 23
3B (Asche, 23)
3B Franco, 20, 2014
SS (Russell, 19, 2015)
OF Jackson, 26
OF Lake, 23
OF (Choice, 23, 2014)
SP Lee, 34
SP Cobb, 25
SP Cosart, 23
SP Salazar, 23, 2013
SP (Bradley, 20, 2015)
Game on, species. But who is to say these guys will fulfill any potential...?
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| | | 749 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 14:46
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These are the further considerations with Toral and my deal:
*If Cishek gets 8 saves then 4th rounder for last rounder
*If Cishek gets 5-7 saves 5th rounder for last rounder
*If Cishek gets less than 5 saves 7th rounder for last rounder
There is still talk of Cishek being traded to a contender. So if he can get about a save a week, this deal will max out with a 4th/last round pick.
I honestly didn't plan to be a buyer any more--but with GO and BH appearing to stumble a bit and my c-losers still not getting it done, I made the move. Not really any room for Johnson, but can't deny his avg. and my obp has been shaky. GO and BH have the manpower to blow me out of the water on any given day so I hope I didn't jump the gun here, but no guts-no glory.
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| | | 750 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Aug 03, 2013, 21:01
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I enjoy reading Species' re-building reports. I hope it takes him as long to re-build as the Pittsburgh Pirates ... so that I can continue reading those write-ups.
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| | | 751 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 18:35
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Is there anyone still out there that thinks bh is going to cruise to a title? Kudos to the other contenders for still making moves to win this year. It should be a great finish!
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| | | 752 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 20:47
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If anyone can mess up a sure thing, it's bh.
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| | | 753 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 21:36
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Zing!
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| | | 754 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 21:47
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It's all those moves he makes...
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| | | 755 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 23:07
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Yep, really good stuff at the top. Remember when I kept Roy Halladay? Would love to have that one back.
Ref's been pretty impressive- I give him a hard time, but makes good moves.
And I'm pretty sure we'll all be bowing down to WG in a couple years, if not this year.
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| | | 756 | GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 09:56
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Post trade stats, both have 53 GP...
Hosmer - 10 HR, 31 RBI, 36 Runs, 4 SB, .347 OBP
Prince - 5 HR, 28 RBI, 26 Runs, 1 SB, .310 OBP
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| | | 757 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 10:49
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Exactly. Choo and Scherzer have been great, but so has Stanton. Anyone still feel the deal was unbalanced?
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| | | 758 | GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 10:50
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I'd also want the 23 year old vs. the 30 year old overweight guy.
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| | | 759 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 12:55
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Anyone want a 33 year old slugger for cheap???
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| | | 760 | PeteN.
ID: 49125419
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 13:30
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It feels strange having A-ROD 'penciled in' as my 3rd baseman for today's lineup. What a circus it has been and it will only intensify if he ends up starting tonight.
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| | | 761 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 13:44
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BH, would you please quit asking that? You have said so yourself that you won't trade unless you win the trade and you definitely "won" that one. I wouldn't call Stanton's 2 for 23 and 1 RBI lately as being great but even great players go through mini-slumps. Scherzer is prob the best pitcher in baseball. Hosmer did go nuts after the trade and no one could see that coming after the horrid year he has had, but I've always been a fan of him.
My team: It's all smoke and mirrors. I can't believe I have done so well with the band-aids I have been using, but have made some lucky pickups. Have a couple key injuries right now and my steals have vanished but we will keep chugging through.
In our draft, I intentionally stayed away from the guys I heard would be suspended, but thought they'd be banned much earlier in the season. Everth was still great value since he played until August.
My thoughts on the race this year:
WG: great players and some shrewd moves. Incredible trades
AA: Great core: If he would make a couple moves I think he can still win this thing. By rules he must pick up a 3B-eligible player immediately to replace Wright. He should have traded a P long ago, but looking at his team it will likely take more than a P to get a 3B and an OF and hitter depth he needs.
BH: By far the best players of anyone. Problem was that he was already at or near the top in the toughest counting stats and way behind in avg cats where it is tough to catch up. He will be a beast in the coming years regardless due to his outrageous Keepers.
Ref: Key pickups but some smoke and mirrors as the keepers haven't done what they were supposed to do. Four 3B-eligible players *hint AA* and all are producing. Overachieving.
GO: Great Players and some shrewd moves. In one day he is capable of making a huge move. He could fall to as far as 5th and could be in first a couple of days later. Watch out for him!
JD: Has top 6 locked up. Not sure how high he can go but he certainly is not locked in 6th place.
I have some more ideas on some things, but don't want to give away any strategy.
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| | | 762 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 15:05
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Ref, I will trade when my team is helped in some way, as I hope you all do. Not sure how that got to "will only trade if I win the trade." I believe Judy said that, but don't have the reference.
Everth and Cruz look to be out for the year, and both are on contenders.
So I guess I am looking to trade Everth (or Braun), if you're looking for keepers.
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| | | 763 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 15:07
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And I'd trade Nelson Cruz for cheapppp
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| | | 764 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 15:08
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But only if I get the less cheap guy in the deal
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| | | 765 | jaydog
ID: 33758520
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 21:58
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Now that I've sufficiently padded my lead in saves I'm willing to trade one (or possibly even two) closers. Feel free to make an offer if you are looking for saves. I'm looking for steals, HR's, or possibly a starter upgrade.
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| | | 766 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 23:16
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Still looking to trade a SP for a hitter of similar quality. Most likely Sale or Corbin, but Scherzer or Price if it's right.
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| | | 767 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 21:29
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Deal with WG includes his 7th for my 10th as well.
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| | | 768 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 22:22
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Nerf, can you accept on ESPN?
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| | | 769 | allhair allstars
ID: 12759623
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 00:59
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Lost Parnell, Jennings and Wright in the blink of an eye. Cookie crumbling...
Mulling emails - the new Gmail folder setup sucks and I just found a couple offer-related emails that I didn't know I'd received...
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| | | 770 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 08:57
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you can ditch the extra tabs by hitting the + sign on the right most tab... I just have regular email and then kept the "promotions" tab for all my ads and stuff i get
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| | | 771 | Ref
ID: 13211515
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 09:41
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What picks did jay dog get for Rivera?
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| | | 772 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 09:55
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No picks in the Dominguez deal. Not much surprise that a team ahead by 30 saves was eager to get rid of a retiring closer.
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| | | 773 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 10:00
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AA, you remain in violation of the roster rules (Wright). Please fix this immediately.
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ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 10:07
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So let me get this straight. Dominguez has been picked up and dropped about 30 times this year by BH, but he is able to pick him up and trade him for one of the top closers in the game as a rental. Meanwhile, I have paid a 4th, 5th and 6th for scrub rental closers. I truly do suck at this game.
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| | | 775 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 10:16
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He wanted to lock down that .266 OBP that Dominguez offers.
All joking aside he was a highly touted prospect, right? So perhaps he's a post-hype Alex Gordon type that he's buying low on. I similarly got Brett Wallace for free and he was ripping the cover off the ball while I had him.
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| | | 776 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 11:37
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Best year at the top in several years....love all of this trading!! Just wish I had more pieces people need.
Got to see Manny play for AAA Round Rock vs Sacramento last night.....booed him lustily, much to the dismay of the Dodger fan recording his at bats with her phone.....hahahahaha.
I will get caught up on the trades soon.....although if another Commish beats me to it, I won't complain.
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| | | 777 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 12:01
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I really don't think that someone who has never even been on the 40 man roster should be able to be picked up--let alone kept. Why ESPN has those people in their db is puzzling. Yet guys like Dominguez for the Dodgers weren't put in until several days after he actually pitched in games.
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| | | 778 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 13:01
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That is pretty brutal. Well done by bh, but yeah...
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| | | 779 | jaydog
ID: 52754719
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 20:54
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Hated giving away Rivera for so little, but my lead in saves is so high, I really didn't need him at all. He's done after this year, so has no value outside of the next few months. With Aramis Ramirez still hurt, and who knows if he's ever coming back, I needed a 3rd baseman (Heccevaria and Keppinger have been brutal as fill ins, and despite his OBP, Dominguez has provided above average home runs and RBI's, has been pretty decent the last month, and plays every day, which is more than I can say about anyone else available at the position.
Would I have liked to get more for Rivera, of course, but given that BH was the only one that responded to any trade offers, I had to take what I can get.
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| | | 780 | jaydog
ID: 52754719
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 20:56
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And if anyone else wants another closer, let me know. I still have Rodney, Henderson, and Betancourt coming off the DL. All hold more value since they should be kept beyond this season, so I'll need a decent draft pick to make a deal.
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| | | 781 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:31
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So have had three inquires into Freese. I likely will NOT trade him unless an offer comes in that will truly help me in other areas. Even though I have four 3B eligible players, I am able to fit them all into my lineup at once due to some of the mulit-position eligibility. If there is a good fit, obviously I am all ears. Freese protecting Holliday now and he has been red hot. Has just faced three of the best pitchers in baseball. Johnson is another 3B eligible player who is going for a batting title. Hard to move those two when they are helping me in obp where I desperately need it.
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| | | 782 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:39
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With Weeks going down, I might need a rental 2B or SS.
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| | | 783 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:49
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For those in the Freese sweepstakes, I have Ryan Zimmerman available. Shoot me an email.
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| | | 784 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 08:36
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The trade between Toral and I (Werth, Chen, Hawkins) includes:
allhair's 2004 5th round pick
Toral's 2004 13th round pick
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| | | 785 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 09:45
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Wow, those picks sure are going to come in handy. Are you going to draft Barry Bonds and Mark Prior?
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| | | 786 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 09:51
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You didn't seem willing to unleash your grasp on similar picks very easily.
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| | | 787 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 09:54
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First of all, the joke was due to the "2004" listed by AA.
And agreed - I wasn't ready to fork over something for a similar package. I think you got good value for your players, although good on Allhair for getting what he needed.
My biggest concern was and remains Werth's health. If he stays healthy and mashes, then good on AA.
Still trying to get one more hitter.
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| | | 788 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 10:03
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Toral...what did he offer? A 10th for your 11th? Haha
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| | | 789 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 10:27
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Come on Slizz, that's not necessary. I made what I thought was an honest offer for Werth, who then missed his next game with an injury, and I backed out. It was lower than AA's offer, because I felt that was the value.
Pot, kettle, you're black.
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| | | 790 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 10:28
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Actually, I think it's:
Pot: Kettle, you're black.
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| | | 791 | GO
ID: 9649157
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 10:34
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ESPN - Prince and Hosmer talk...
Well thats topical, ESPN must be watching our league.
Hosmer - thanks to .323/.360/.532 triple-slash rates, 11 home runs, 36 RBIs and five stolen bases in 57 games in the past eight weeks
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| | | 792 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 11:23
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Now now...we shouldn't fire up bh for that deal.
Prince is like a sleeping giant (both literally and figuratively). Hosmers gb rate is alarming...at least for fantasy purposes (ie he might not be that 35-40 hr guy). Most importantly, he's seeing the ball great and making good contact. I think he ends up becoming a player with the same value of joe mauer. More hr, less ob%. Same RBI.
For all the flak Pete got...he will most definitely have two solid cogs on his team 4 years from now.
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| | | 793 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 16:14
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Yeah, because what AA needs most is more pitching. :) Werth should help him though.
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| | | 794 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 11:10
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Toral, get Wacha off your roster. He's mine.
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| | | 795 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 11:12
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Never mind, did it myself.
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| | | 796 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 12:11
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Sorry about that. I did control-F him; sometimes that doesn't work.
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| | | 797 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 14:23
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Hello Josh Reddick and welcome to the 2013 season.
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| | | 798 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 21:53
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The Weeks/Beckham trade between GO and I include picks:
GO 2014 supplemental 9th round
darkside 2014 supplemental 13th round
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| | | 799 | GO
ID: 414113123
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 23:41
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Confirmed.
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| | | 800 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 12:35
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Toral - you stuck a nerve picking up one of bmd's cardinals...
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| | | 801 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 15:53
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No picks in the Everth deal. Basically, a guy who won't play this year for a guy who won't play next year.
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| | | 802 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 15:57
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smh
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| | | 803 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 17:28
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Working to be the best of the worst. Won't get to 100 pts, but could lead those of us who also won't! Small goals for this year...
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| | | 804 | Species
ID: 417491123
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 00:49
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Hopefully I have updated all of the traded picks. Please review.
Ref - thanks for pointing out 537. Updated that.
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| | | 805 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 09:37
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Pick trades look good to me.
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| | | 806 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 10:14
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BH-declared winners in recent trades:
Beckham: darkside. I feel that GO could have gotten a decent 2B off waivers (not sure why he didn't bid on Dozier), and instead lost a pick PLUS the Weeks lotto ticket. Not that any of these pieces are season-changing,
Werth, Chen, Hawkins: allhair, but it's close. Toral did well to get something for his spare parts, but allhair got the pieces he needed for only a medium pick.
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| | | 807 | GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 10:27
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Mariano!
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| | | 808 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 10:48
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Fine, fine. Equal opportunity offender.
Rivera: Dominguez is 1 for his last 21, so I guess we can call this a draw.
Everth/ARod: Pete. Only an idiot thinks I still have a shot at this, and I gave up a keeper the most hated player in baseball. Upside for Pete: Everth leads the NL in steals in 2014. Upside for BH: Species finally stops saying I don't try to win.
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| | | 809 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 13:59
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bh: nobody is buying what you are selling. Well make that most of us. ;)
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| | | 810 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 14:07
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Anyone interested in Carlos Gonzalez? Would trade him in the right type of deal to help my chances this year. Ideally would target an OBP guy, good prospect, and useful SP for this year... but open to discussions. Let me know, thanks.
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| | | 811 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 17:18
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Ref - I don't fault BH for the Mariano deal...it was ((& is) god awful regardless of his recent performances vs. Cabrera. My opinion is that jaydog should've known better. If someone offered you Mariano for that crap (Dominguez) you're telling me you'd say no?
It was a bad trade by jaydog but we all have to live with it.
GO did what he had to in order to compete. It seems like we are left waiting for Weeks to break out every year and it has only happened once. GO took a sure thing for this season. He has Midas' touch with his moves so I'm sure it will workout.
Love the trade by bh and Pete. Pete is thin on keepers while he overhauls his roster. Until Everth, he was looking at the following keepers:
C - Montero
1B - Hosmer
2B - Kinsler
SS - Didi
3B - Middlebrooks
OF - Stanton
OF - Maybin
SP - Cingrani
SP - Ogando??
Anyhow, with everth he stands to get a massive upgrade over didi (ss who doesn't hit for power or steals bases). Not to mention everth was a consensus top 15 hitter before his suspension. Pete wins this trade long term and bh wins it this year. Win / Win for both squads.
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| | | 812 | jaydog
ID: 1761221
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 22:06
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For those that think the Rivera deal was so bad, you should have made offers. I put Rivera on the market, and made offers to several of you, and received nothing back except for Blue Hen's deal. Six weeks of Rivera is understandably not worth much to anyone, especially me given my huge lead in saves, so I took the only deal that was out there. Yes, Dominguez stinks, but he's young, was coming off a good month, has hit for moderate power, and was better than anyone available on waivers. A solid last few months (not looking like that) may have made him an interesting player in the offseason.
Was it a mismatched deal, yes I fully agree that it was, but it was a deal I needed to make given that no other offers were out there.
That being said, I still have Rodney, Henderson, and/or Henderson available if anyone wants to make an offer. Keeper quality outfielder, draft picks, and/or solid prospects would be considered (not dumping him for a Dominguez type).
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| | | 813 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 22:45
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Yeah, giving flack for jaydog is uncalled for. I don't think anybody but the top 6 would've wanted Rivera. Plus, there's also something to be said about trading him to the 5th place team instead of the 1st-3rd teams.
I think the only 3 people that think Gordon Beckham is a sure thing is Gordon Beckham's mom, Hawk Harrelson, and slizz.
Pretty crazy how Evereth Cabrera slipped under the radar so much in the draft. His numbers this year were only slightly better than last years(per game). Raised his OBP good amount but other than that pretty close to the same. Will be interesting to see what he can do in a full season.
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| | | 814 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 23:26
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RE: Jaydog, I sent him an email asking him about any closer he'd send me. Like three days later he got back to me but by then I traded a 4th for Chisek. A meh closer who won't be kept either. But the best thing is that the guy he sent JD is pulling down his obp so bh can catch him there too. It's fine as it's going to help me catch him too. :) I think JD is a good manager, but would have gotten a lot more out of a stud closer (Theya re all rentals) had he demanded it. Now he is demanding it and the market isn't there.
So bh offered me Gattis for Freese. I said nope. He gave me grief about it. Talk about how it made so much sense for me. Well now I see he has cut him. Shouldn't be surprised. When you have already made over 200 moves, not too many people stay around long.
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| | | 815 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 23:52
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I'd much rather have a lowball than no offer. bh makes this league better and trying to dig at him because he makes too many add/drops is very strange.
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| | | 816 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 09:36
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What grief did I give you about it?
I think everyone in this league will agree that I exhausted all avenues for trading Gattis. And now that all the Braves are healthy again, there's no benefit to keeping him.
And, oh yeah, I dropped him for a guy who has the same number of career shutouts as Stephen Strasburg.
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| | | 817 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 10:05
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bmd, to quote richard sherman "you mad bro?"
Your words suggest i made a personal attack on jaydog...he knows it's not personal. I called it how I see it and expect the same thing in return if I did something like that.
Re: beckham - you're forgetting GO in that description.
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| | | 818 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 10:44
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I'm a Beckhamliever!
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| | | 819 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 12:16
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815: bmd, you missed the point. Bh and I are good friends. Sure we give each other a hard time but in reality it is all good. The point was he always gives lowball offers in hopes someone takes it. We all have made what was considered by the other party to be lowball offers as we all tend to overvalue our own guys, but at least with me, his offers always seem to be way below in hopes that the negotiation will end up still being below value. Everyone has their own way of doing things and I love that. My point about having someone with so many moves is that he picks up players then tries to trade them and when that doesn't work he cuts them. Again, nothing wrong with that. Dominguez was picked up and sent out 24 times. My guess is that the 24th time would have been cut if he wasn't traded--much like Gattis was.
I have done the same. For instance, I had two managers interested in Grilli earlier this year. He was pitching well and I wanted him. Then finally when I needed steals, those two people no longer wanted him. Leonys was a FA and I thought, heck that would be a perfect trade for me so I in-effect traded with the FA wire and cut him.That move has been HUGE for me. Grilli was immediately picked up by WG IIRC and now he is on bh's team. I don't care as it helped my team. BH is prob thinking the same thing about his pickup. Funny thing is I was going to pick that P up before the game but had no one to drop. I am not sure he will continue his pitching, but has been great so far.
818: I have been a Beckhamliever before but passed on him when he was a FA earlier this year. Just don't know what to think about him now.
816: No I won't trade you Strasburg for him :)
813: That makes no sense at all. The top 5 teams are all interchangeable right now. Hard to believe because even a week ago, I thought my ceiling was 3rd place and it still might be. Looking at the numbers and it will be very difficult to hold on and I can't get too many points from anywhere else.
Remember I designed this league to be VERY ACTIVE and that ANY team could benefit either now or the future by being active.
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| | | 820 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 12:22
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Wish I had my Leony's draft pick back, he'd be very useful right now.
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| | | 821 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 13:06
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I drafted Beckham. Second basemen I draft have a history of 1) disappointing; 2) suddenly sprouting and playing well.
On the Rivera trade, as bmd indicated, the key is that there are only 5 teams interested in him, so you have you take what you can get. Altho...you should get someone who actually improves your team....
It was interesting to make a trade with Ref. I think that's only the second trade we've ever made. There are 3 traders in this league who seem to win virtually all of their trades, historically Ref and bh, we can now add WG. But both trades with ref have been so easy. Fair offers, a few bits of negotiation, trade done, boom. While trading with bh...first he slaps you in the face a coupla times just to let you know wherte you stand, and tries to push you around a little bit. Then, if he ever gets realistic, he starts extracting teeth. Totally different experience.
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| | | 822 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 13:27
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Nice, Toral. Appreciate the analysis - perhaps that's an area for me to work on.
By nature, I'm risk averse, which is why I held that bum Gattis so long. So when I get into a trade discussion, I'm scared it'll backfire almost every time. When we were talking about Werth, I was picturing his extensive injury history, leaving me with nothing (or worse - a dead roster spot) for a draft pick (which is important to me - I think I draft well). He left that night's game, and I bailed.
There's only one non-move I regret - not getting Sabathia down the stretch last year. I wasn't convinced he keep it up, but he was great down the stretch. Granted, it would have cost me Hosmer, which I would already be regretting by now, although perhaps I'd have a flag. Those things fly forever, by the way.
The best trades happen when you have matching parts, so I spend a lot of time trying to get as many parts as I can, thus explaining all the add/drops. Sometimes it works, sometimes, not so much. But at least no one can say I'm not trying.
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| | | 823 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 13:42
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WG leads me by 1 trade with 9 in the all important TRADES MADE category... who wants to make a deal? I could use another bat after getting hit with a couple injuries.
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| | | 824 | Toral
ID: 1710311217
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 14:03
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Risk aversion is good; I am very risk averse.
I should have added re trading skill that ref, bh, and now WG all have the ability to pull off 1 or 2 big trades a year that are so one-sided that people, experienced managers, are totally stunned by, that you look at 7 times and say "How could this manager accept that?" These are the trades that cause people to want to veto them.
I have come to believe that some managers just have a "salesmanship" gene. This skill can't be learned or transmitted. Managers like this get people to accept trades that I would be ashamed to even offer. The attribute of persistence is also involved.
Toral
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| | | 825 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 14:24
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In summary -- if you want to get a deal done with no haggling and you are guaranteed not to overpay, go see GO! :)
I feel like a used car guy.
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| | | 826 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 14:48
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Ha!
Remember the Elimination Chamber, GO? Where TM's was a hard-fought category. Once, wiggs and I traded our entire teams at deadline.
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| | | 827 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 14:51
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Many say I am very easy to trade with. Thing is, when I'm in the running I am trading for future parts. Many who don't know what is up with players don't get it. But look at the deal everyone attacked slizz and I last year, now people know who Rendon and Bogaerts are. Why waste your time and try to lowball someone? Also, when it's a win-win, future trades are more likely to happen. I think I have made 3 trades this year and accepted all three trades offered to me as is except adding that clause with Toral to protect me in case Cishek got dealt as a setup man or didn't produce at all.
As far as being risk-averse--not me. I take chances. Sure they backfire at times, but sometimes the status quo just isn't doing it for me. No guts no glory.
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| | | 828 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 15:01
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I'm with Ref on that one. I always gamble. Otherwise you'll finish middle of the pack each year and that's no place to be.
What were the parameters of Slizz/Ref deal last year? I'd like to see it again. And that's why I have only vetoed 1 trade over 4 sports in 10 years. I figure the traders have a plan.
Mayor PD - bring back Elimination Chamber!
Side note -- our local little league made the LLWS so please be sure to cheer on Newark DE! :) Friday 8 PM ESPN vs. Iowa first game.
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| | | 829 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 15:34
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I've made a few moves throughout my G20/G24 "career" and here is my summary of the managers in this league that I've dealt with:
GO - easiest to close deals with. I think he just loves trading just to trade. His deals almost always make sense for all parties involved.
WG - Doesn't worry about tomorrow as much as "the now". his availability and aggressive manner allow him to close deals. Not afraid to take chances either.
Toral - very conservative/risk averse. We've talked deals in the past but your price has always been high...
Ref - Not hard to deal with, but expect a lot of negotiating. In my dealings with Ref, we each came away satisfied.
BH - Definitely the most persistent and always looking to trade. On the other hand, he's not as flexible with compensation.
Pete - very easy to deal with. Both times I've dealt with Pete it was mutual interest and a quick close.
Jaydog - short sweet and to the point. Gives you his reasonable/best offer off the bat, if you can beat it, he will accept. No haggling.
Species - Gives solid offers and puts thought into it. Some back and forth...
Nerf - both trades I've made with him were easy and he is responsive.
Judy - loves her Phillies (& Philly sports)...have only one football dealing with but there wasn't a whole lot of back and forth.
BMD - don't dare ask about a Cardinal's availability. Trust me.
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| | | 830 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 15:56
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I gave Holliday, Freese, a middle tier Pitcher, Boesch
Ref gave up Rendon, Bogaerts, Maybin
Only one who supported the deal was GO who said something along the lines of "Rendon is pretty valuable by himself..."
That said it was a win/win for both sides as I got some prospects to make my team better and Ref recouped draft picks which netted him Puig and Bradley, Jr.
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| | | 831 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 16:06
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slizz, you've never inquired about any of my Cardinal players except Taveras. Trust me. Don't think it's very cool to just bash some people because you don't like us(bh and me)
Most people were mad at your Ref deal because you thought you could keep the extra prospects. When you were informed you couldn't you just bent over and accepted it.
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| | | 832 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 16:21
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Slizz deal: I offered to reverse the deal. Then when Slizz refused I threw all kinds of offers at him to get either of them back, but I didn't have enough to get them. That middle tier pitcher was Rodriquez and all he got me was bad era and whip and I cut him. Awful, but hey I tried. Boesch was also let go soon after.
831: bmd, slizz should have been able to keep the extra prospects as the other managers were allowed to but he even said to me when dealing that even if he couldn't he wanted this deal to go down.
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| | | 833 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 16:24
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Speaking of Trading, Uggla is on the DL i just found out. If anyone wants to trade a decent 2B, let me know. Have no idea who I will part with...
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| | | 834 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 17:19
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Who are you most similar to? I've always thought Toral for myself, but I'm leaning more towards GO.
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| | | 835 | GO
ID: 414113123
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 17:50
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Beckham for 6th? :)
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| | | 836 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 17:57
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That's awesome that 3 of the 5 top managers are having trouble at the same position. If I owned Chase Utley or Ben Zobrist, I'd be ready to pounce. Or at least post in this thread.
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| | | 837 | Beastiemiked
ID: 47751318
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 19:05
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Jed lowrie available but everybody knows that by now.
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| | | 838 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 21:19
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So is Dustin Ackley...the second overall pick behind Bryce Harper!
All joking aside, I have no issues with you BMD...I do enjoy busting your chops though.
As for the deal with Ref - what's the problem with trying?
Ref and I knew it would probably be a losing battle but tbh - it didn't make that big of a difference for my squad...all parties involved, species included, are better off now.
-Species added Bogaerts to his stellar farm system.
-I now have Jose Fernandez and Rendon
-Ref has Holliday, Puig and Bradley, Jr.
Not very often a deal leaves three parties happy...
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| | | 839 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 22:23
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"831: bmd, slizz should have been able to keep the extra prospects as the other managers were allowed to but he even said to me when dealing that even if he couldn't he wanted this deal to go down."
He should've been able to keep them according to you and slizz. Pretty sure everyone else in the league disagreed. Very confused by that last line. So you guys knew there was a chance he wouldn't be able to keep the extra prospects?
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| | | 840 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 09:43
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Lets make this as clear and concise as possible:
-Ref feels strongly I should've had that exemption.
-I wanted the deal to go down regardless.
-I knew that it would probably get vetoed, & expressed same to ref.
-like anything in life, there is always a chance it might not get approved.
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| | | 841 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 10:58
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It is quite fascinating to hear the takes of other managers about the trading styles of the managers in this league.
GO has always been my favorite trade partner in any league. You know when you can trade HHH for The Rock that you have a good trade partner. He is willing to think big and move fast.
I said hell froze over when bh and I made the Kemp deal. The problem is....besides thinking quite similarly....is that we know each other too well and neither of us want to let the other get one over on the other.
I have always been frustrated as hell in talking trade with Ref. I guess I am in the minority. It must be me. Sounds like I just need more patience.
R9 and I have always seen eye to eye. We think and value things alike....similar to bh and I. The big difference is that R9 and I are quite happy with a win-win so long as both of our trade needs are met. It works great when one is contending and one is rebuilding....but virtually impossible if we are both heading in the same direction.
I think one thing that always changes in trades is the perspective....it is highly dependent upon whether you are trading for the now or trading for the future. For me, it matters A LOT on whether my trading partner values/appreciates prospects like I do. If they don't, I can't get what I feel is fair value if I am trading them. But on the flip side of that, I have successfully worked trades with managers who don't value them enough - at least in MY eyes. But that value is in the eyes of the behlder. It's what makes this league fun.
It's quite interesting how frequently the first reactions to big trades are wrong. That goes for me as well.
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| | | 842 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 11:58
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slizz, I don't think anybody wanted it vetoed on the premise of the trade. Solid keepers vs potential studs. I know some people said you were getting ripped off but there was not much veto talk. I voiced my concern that the trade was made under false pretenses and because of that it should be vetoed. Since you seemed ok with it I dropped the veto talk. Glad the trade worked out for both of you.
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| | | 843 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 12:06
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Species: You value the youngsters and prospects more than I do. In fact, my strategy in this game that I have developed is like no other. Not sure I'd recommend it to most, but it seems to work for me. Most of my players I have aren't highly desirable and that hurts the ability for me to trade them.
Some of the Guys/Gal in this league I have traded with goes like this:
Slizz: If we have pieces that fit and want to get a deal done--we figure out a way to get it done.
Pete: Same as Slizz. We don't come out lowballing so if there is a deal to be had, it gets done. I have overpaid a few times and been screwed by it, but I would do it again. Seemed fair/worth risk at the time.
GO: See Slizz. Thing is that GO and I are usually going after the same thing. That deal sending him ARod backfired, but hey, we both take chances.
AA: One of these days, him and I are going to make a deal. Great person in real life too.
mjd: When he contacts me, he knows what he wants. Very easy to work with him.
WG: Talk all the time but no pieces have matched for us.
bh: We have traded in the past, but his deals always seem so far out there that I usually don't pursue them as they make no sense for my team.
Tosh: Love talking to him but it has been awhile since we have made a deal. I think Konerko may have been our last serious discussion a couple years back but I couldn't give up enough to make it work.
Toral: Has always been fair in trades. Had been awhile until recently.
R9: Knows his baseball. I used to talk to him all the time. Haven't traded in a long time.
YR: Talked to him briefly this season about a player. I knew he was going to be suspended so didn't want to go after him, but offer to me was fair.
GL: See Slizz. If he wants to get a deal done he will. He also tries to make sure its a win-win.
Judy: Her and I value players differently. I think you have to catch her at the perfect time. How I wasn't able to get CarGo with all I was willing to offer and would have done even more as I said 'pick another player' was tough to take, but I digress.
So many more great managers--I could go on and on. It all comes down to how you value players and how much you are willing to pay or even overpay. In my experience, if you make a lowball offer, that manager isn't going to respond or even want to negotiate. So I try and make a fair offer and if that manager thinks it is a lowball offer than we value the deal much differently and we aren't going anywhere, so let's save our time. Similarly, if you make me a good faith offer and our needs are met, I will either accept it as is or maybe counter to make it closer to value. To me, it's not about getting-over on someone but putting yourself in a better position to win now or in the future. I may overpay my value if it is a critical need for me.
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| | | 844 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:27
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I am terrible at trading in baseball, but you all I know that already...
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| | | 845 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:59
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I kind of got a raw deal when entering this league with the players I inherited, but I have tried to make the most of it. The problem for me though is while I remember the trades I made, I don't necessarily remember the managers I made the trades with, especially when you carry different names between the board and the league site. Anyways, I've generally been in the same position as Ref - not alot of coveted players that anyone wants. I'm not a big trader anyways, and it's very hard for me to get into the mode of trading for next year, as I generally only trade when I am playing for the now. "I need X to get me Y". So almost all of my trades in this league have been from other managers offering. I kind of feel like the Montreal Expos. "Here's my best player for a package of your slightly less desirable players."
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| | | 846 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 16:14
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Re: 814
A polite reminder (to everyone) that in this league, we don't talk about specific offers from other managers in this forum. Of all the trade-related pet peeves in this forum, that one is at the top.
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| | | 847 | blue hen
ID: 466323017
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 16:16
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Also, Nerf - why don't you hold out for better players? We have seen living proof this year that a manager can take over the worst team in the league and still compete.
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| | | 848 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 18:36
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Nerf - sometimes you just need to hit that reset button. I inherited a mediocre roster:
-Lucked out the first year hitting on all my pitching bets.
-Middle of the pack, but not top 10, the following season.
-Bottom half after that.
-Last place last year.
-This season.
My positioning in the standings was a direct reflection of my commitment to the league. Shoot, bh rightfully called out my lack of activity last season. I said enough is enough after not really paying attention until the final months and took my shot at rebuilding. The fruits of my labor should start paying off the following season. Your roster has some solid parts to it as your infield is all but set. a couple choice moves you'll be in contention.
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| | | 849 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 19:44
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Oh it's coming together bit by bit, but there's no magic button that instantly makes what I started out with a contender. Those quantity-for-quality trades paid off in the short term, but most of those players ended up not being long term answers (read: Ike Davis). I've had much better hits in the FA draft: Altuve, Travis Wood, Balfour, Garza (which turned into Nelson Cruz for 2014). I also find the prospect system to be somewhat limiting for rebuilding teams. I have to make decisions on prospects before I know what they are going to be. It is what it is though.
Just as a reminder, these are the keepers that the former manager would have had before the 2011 season:
Manny Ramirez
Javier Vazquez
Andre Ethier
Jorge De la Rosa
Justin Morneau
Nyjer Morgan
Jarrod Dyson
Octavio Dotel
Alfonso Soriano
Casey McGehee
Some of those folks don't even play baseball anymore (or shouldn't).
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| | | 850 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 21:25
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Man, I do wish I had Justin Morneau and Alfonso Soriano right now.
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| | | 851 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 21:45
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Way to go Alfonso!!!!
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| | | 852 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 12:01
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That's what makes this league fun. The uncertainty in those prospects. Once you get the ones that could help your team...it gives you hope.
Granted, having stellar keepers doesn't guarantee you'll automatically win (R9 - I was extremely bullish on his squad post draft and for whatever reason, it didn't work out)...
...and not so stellar keepers and contend (Ref). The s-draft is key because it gives you that depth that is necessary to make moves in the standings and whatever system Ref has for picking his players, it works.
Either way, those factors are one of the many reasons what makes this league fun.
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| | | 853 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 22:15
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The prospect side of it does put an additional twist to everything.
Can't be 100% right all the time, and is sort of hard sometimes to decide whether it is time to drop or wait a little longer.
I almost did that with Darvish, but convinced myself that I should wait one more season. Was for sure the right move.
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| | | 854 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 09:39
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That's how I got Hosmer - someone gave up too early. Then I did the same once he hit the majors - twice.
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| | | 855 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:48
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Prospects can definitely be a huge help but it's dangerous keeping too many on your regular roster. I kept Oscar Taveras and he's had a pretty throwaway season with all his injuries. He's probably still a keeper but having 1-2 guys kept that give you absolutely nothing this year really destroys your chances of winning.
I'd be interested in seeing the top 10 prospect list from 5 years ago to see how many of those guys are actually "keepers" in our league. I'm guessing 3-4.
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| | | 857 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:58
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http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/all-time/#2008
Bruce
Longo
Chamberlain - LOL
Bucholz
Rasmus
Maybin
kershaw
Franklin Morales - LOL
Homer Bailey
David Price
Notable names lurking: 12. Wieters, 13 Ellsbury, 14. McCutchen.
So 7 of the top 10 were kept this year. More than likely 6 next year. 10 out of the top 14 kept. Way higher than I expected.
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| | | 858 | Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 14:19
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And Bailey wasn't always a keeper. I got him late in the 2012 FA draft.
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| | | 859 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 14:36
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857: That looks like a pretty banner year, tbh. I would think your overall thesis is still more true than not....I bet you just plucked the wrong year.
Without looking, the previous year or two had two significant busts in S. Drew and Jeremy Hermida.
I know I am more prospect crazy than most....and remain convinced that the best way you get a Trout/Harper type top 10 overall stud is via the prospect draft. There just aren't that many Chris Davis types out there where you can get lucky (and Davis was a legit top prospect himself).
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| | | 860 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 15:00
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How sad. Charlie manual out. Ruben amaro the real reason the team stinks.
Watching the press conference and charlie is a class act. They were gonna honor him for win #1000 tonight -- they couldn't have waited another damn day?
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| | | 861 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 06:25
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854: That someone who gave up on Hosmer too early as a prospect was me. I renounced him and then used that prospect pick to draft Freddie Freeman. I ended up parlaying Freeman into Cingrani plus picks so it worked out ok. Needless to say though, I'm not giving up on Hosmer this time.
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| | | 862 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 06:36
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Actually, I used the pick on Martin Perez who seems to be finally realizing some of the potential. He'll certainly be in the mix for my keeps next year.
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| | | 863 | GO
ID: 13629419
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 09:49
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ESPN said this morning that Hosmer's avg HR distance leads the league... thought that was pretty surprising considering he didn't have much power at all for the first 2 months. What the heck happened after that?
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| | | 864 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 17:13
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Need some more clarification. If you have 4 prospects, can you renounce and call them all up? Or do you have to get down to 3 before renounce/call up? Thanks.
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| | | 865 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 19:33
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I had to laugh at bh saying GO was similar to him as a manager. I agree with the consensus that GO is the easiest to trade with: if there is a deal available it will be made. Slizz is similar, I know from football. Of course there can be no deal if the other side misapprehends what you are looking for.
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| | | 866 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 21:57
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864: You may renounce and call up any and all prospects any time you wish.
However, the most beneficial time to employ that strategy is in the day or two between the regular keeper deadline and the prospect keeper deadline. So the answer to your question that you only must get down to 3 prospects at the prospect keeper deadline....if that makes sense....lol
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| | | 867 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 23:08
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Toral, I've made trades with a wide variety of managers this year and over the last couple years. Not sure what your criteria is for "bad trader" but I think I'm getting a raw deal. One thing I don't ever do is ignore emails or texts, and I think that's a bit chip in my favor.
I stand by the GO comparison- we both speculate on the same types of players, especially closers, and often get attached to sub-par players until it's too late, like Evan Gattis and Rickie Weeks. We do well in the prospect draft and are never near the bottom in moves made. Who's a better comparison? Guru? Allhair?
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| | | 868 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 23:09
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Not implying that Toral ignores emails or texts, just saying that I don't.
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| | | 869 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 23:35
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Did I say you were a "bad trader"? Uh, no. I would suspect that if you looked at trades rationally (by something like Bill James' Value Approximation method), you would score as the best trader in G20 history, probably by a good measure.
I was just comparing trading styles. GO is all value-for-value. With you one can expect an insolent message offering you a 5th round draft choice two years from now for your two best players.
Don't think I forget what you tried to offer me for Justin Upton. I must say I admired your line, "You wouldn't want just one player for Upton" -- then offering 3 utter slugs. If PermDude ever gets sole control of a team in a league I am in again, I will use that line.
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| | | 870 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 00:09
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It's unfortunate that two of the best managers in this league lost a trading partner because of one offer several years ago. I assure you, it wasn't personal. And I likely had a glut of outfielders at that time (Kemp, Braun, Bautista, Ethier, Cargo, A.Jones, Stanton plus Hosmer and Konerko, maybe?), so probably put less value on the outfielder than you did.
I made one offer that was way off base earlier this week, and the manager will confirm that I realized it quick and stepped it up in a hurry. We didn't make a deal, but he knows I'm willing to negotiate. I've made deals with Species, Pete, Jaydog, WG, and Slizz this season (some multiple) and with BMD, Tosh, Darkside, nerf, and R9 in the previous year or so. That's half the league, so I must be doing something right.
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| | | 871 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 00:50
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Um I'm still unclear. I post my 9 keepers. I have 6 prospects. Can I call up 4 as my 10,11,12,13 keepers and have my 1st pick in the prospect draft?
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| | | 872 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 01:16
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Yes, as long as they are still prospect eligible.
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| | | 873 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 14:29
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872: that's incorrect. Here is the precise linear progression:
1) Your 9 keepers are declared
2) You may call up prospects to your roster and exceed 9 players
3) The prospect deadline hits. It is at this moment that prospect limits are judged. You must declare how many you are keeping. By renouncing any prospects and getting under 3 you will be granted new prospect picks.
So....yes....in WG's example, if he has 6 prospects, he could conceivably call 4 of them up in stage 2 above....retain 2 prospects and be awarded 1 prospect pick.
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| | | 874 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 14:37
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873: At time of keeper deadline, any prospects over limits would have to be kept or released as part of your keeper 9...correct?
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| | | 875 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 15:01
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874: actually....you guys might be right. I will review again later whe. I am in front of the computer.
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| | | 876 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 15:16
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Example would be on my team and Perez / Rondon. Perez went over the limit last night so it's my understanding he'd have to be kept as part of my keeper 9. In the process of getting down to 2 prospects, so I can have a p-pick, I plan on calling up Rondon (under limit) AFTER keeper deadline as my "10th" keep.
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| | | 877 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 15:32
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As long as we are on this idea. Asche is one of my prospects but I currently have him in my daily roster. Do I have to move him back to the prospect list before the season ends to be able to keep him as a prospect? (He won't make the limits.). Or does it not matter whether he ends the season on my roster or on my prospect list to keep him as a prospect?
Nb I would renounce him to my main roster as the last pick after I pick my 9 non prospect keepers. I need to do this as I have 4 prospects.
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| | | 878 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 17:35
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Judy, no. But if you're not in the hunt this year, you might want to send him down and use the spot for someone else.
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| | | 879 | Species
ID: 26645921
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 17:45
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My error. bmd and Pete are right. From the rules:
"Before the season at the keeper deadline all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released."
So....looking at the timing of this:
1) Your 9 keepers are declared - at the same time all prospects are checked against limits. Any prospects over limits (i.e. Jose Fernandez) must be called up or released. They may be kept in your 9 keepers or else they are eligible in the Supplemental Draft.
2) After that, any prospects still on the prospect list may be callled up to your roster and exceed 9 players
3) The prospect deadline hits. You must declare how many you are keeping. By renouncing any prospects and getting under 3 you will be granted new prospect picks.
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| | | 880 | Species
ID: 26645921
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 17:47
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Judy 877: From the rules:
"At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold."
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| | | 881 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 19:07
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Calling up Martin Perez. He's over the limit so I'm also renouncing him as a prospect.
344: Judy, It took me a couple of months (that trade was the first of a few to come), but I can now respond to your question of who I'm projecting as my 2014 keepers with age in brackets.
1B - Eric Hosmer (23)
2B - Ian Kinsler (31)
SS - Everth Cabrera (26)
3B - Will Middlebrooks (24)
OF - Giancarlo Stanton (23)
OF - Cameron Maybin (26)
SP - Tony Cingrani (24)
SP - Martin Perez (22)
9th slot is up for grabs with several in the running. The youth movement is definitely on with Kinsler as the lone elder statesman.
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| | | 882 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 21:55
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878 hunt for what?
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| | | 883 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 22:41
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For Top 6? Are you playing for this year or next year? If it's this year, you want Asche in your lineup. If it's next year, then probably worth sending him down and using the spot for someone else.
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| | | 884 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 22:58
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Like there is a 3rd baseman worth trolling for? I could always put young in there. I am playing to be the best of the worst, which looks to be 12 th place, where I currently sit.
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| | | 885 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 23:02
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Uh, bh,I would need to find 50 points worth of stats to get near top six. You seriously thought my team could get there by putting Asche down?
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| | | 886 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 23:04
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bh, nobody likes to be told how to manage their team.
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| | | 887 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 23:28
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BH, you playing for this year or next? Guess it's next because you have some doper rotting on your bench.
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| | | 888 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 09:47
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Fine, fine. I'll stop trying to help.
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| | | 889 | Species
ID: 271152305
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 18:21
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.....and the Xander Bogaerts era begins.
Dear Xander: you had better make me forget that I could have had Jose Fernandez!!!! :P
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| | | 890 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 19:50
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Alright, how can we make Xander exceed 300 at bats in 50 games?
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| | | 891 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 20:47
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Xander, please play worse than Holliday. You too Rendon.
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| | | 892 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 10:12
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GO's 7th for Cliff's 12th (Alexei)
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| | | 893 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 10:19
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I agree with the trade.
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| | | 894 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:27
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Wow! Another great pickup for GO! I am definitely outclassed when it comes to making trades in this league.
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| | | 895 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:35
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I'm not sure I've done anything revolutionary... paid for like 5 guys with picks so far but these MI injuries (and Peralta, Weeks) are kicking me and Alexei should fill that need with some steals too. We almost did this deal a couple weeks ago.
I'd flip Beckham for a comprable middle of the road 2B if anyone wants him. His OBP is +.400 the last 15 days after being put in the 2nd spot. Just don't really want 3 hitters from CHW each day.
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| | | 896 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:42
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On a side note... I am more willing to part with these picks cause despite everything I'm still holding Species #1 pick, possibly #1 overall.
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| | | 897 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:50
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BH Analysis: I'll call this one a draw. In an open market, Alexei probably gets a better pick, but there are fewer teams interested at this point, and the rental period is shorter. I guess the win-win theory is correct.
Still looking to package Sale or Corbin for a big bopper.
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| | | 898 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 13:37
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Rental guys I have targeted are still commanding very high picks.
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| | | 899 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 14:37
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For those needing a 2nd baseman...please trade me for Emilio Bonifacio.
I'm only asking a 9th rd pick for his services. Since he's been traded to the Royals he has lit the base paths on fire.
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| | | 900 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 16:17
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Rules question: If I exceed my games limit at a position, am I still required to have an active player for that position on my roster? In other words, let's say I hit my 2B limit in mid-September. Can I drop Kelly Johnson and not pick up another 2B?
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| | | 901 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 16:19
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That should be the rule if it isn't already.
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| | | 902 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 17:16
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Why? The rule is in place so teams don't tank.
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| | | 903 | Species
ID: 271152305
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 18:46
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900: The intent was certainly to avoid tanking and prospect hoarding. Bh....I would say yes, if you hit GP limits then the "full roster at each position" rules ceases to apply relative to that position.
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| | | 904 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 10:18
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Re: 889 - Jose is just awesome. Even if he (Bogaerts) doesn't become one of the best shortstops, his line should make him fantasy relevant.
Re: 891 - You got Puig and Bradley Jr. as a result of losing those two... :)
Dropping demands on Emilio...a 10th will get it done. My players are priced to sell!
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| | | 905 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 11:13
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Just a quick testament to WG's greatness: with Yokel's keepers (plus Hosmer, Davis, and Rosario), here's his draft:
A. Sanchez, Cobb, S. Marte, Cashner, Y. Escobar, Hammel, Wallace, Parmelee, Arrieta, Dirks, Parra, Mesoraco, Quintana, Smyly.
In short: it was a pretty mediocre draft. Great get in Starling Marte, plus Anibal Sanchez is good. But the rest are pretty darn mediocre.
This is all because of his in-season management and trading skill.
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| | | 906 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 11:31
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I tried to practically give Marte away! nobody wanted the guy... I knew he was a good one.
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| | | 907 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 12:15
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Looking to deal Prince Fielder or Anthony Rizzo for an outfielder of similar quality.
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| | | 908 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 12:27
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900-903: Not only is that rule in there to prevent tanking, but to prevent a manager from refusing to use a position i.e Catcher so you can load up at another position. Even if you choose not to start anyone at that position, you still have to have an active player eligible on your bench. (Same goes for a DL player). If you want to change the rules to have an exemption once you hit max games limit (It had never been done in the history of our league), then it should be proposed for the following season.
Slizz has told me a few times, that the positional players limit is way too high and I remind him that I am no longer commish and to propose a change for future years.
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| | | 909 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 12:34
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I just figure the idea is to have a position i.e 162 games played at SS. They played a full slate for your squad. You should be able to do what you want after that. And if they reach the position limit OVER that amount, then wow... thats amazing in itself cause I have tried to start guys all the time and don't even come close.
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| | | 910 | beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 13:27
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I tried to get the games limit changed for about 5 years but ultimately gave up. Of course it's too high. It's even worse in hoops where whichever top team stays the healthiest wins.
I've got plenty of rental players available, Jason Castro, Eric Young Jr, Chris Carter, and Jed Lowrie. Prices are very reasonable.
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| | | 911 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 13:56
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So its probably a mooooo point (like when a cow has an opinion) - are you actually approaching position limits?
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| | | 912 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 13:56
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I'd like to put 908 up to a vote, effective immediately (not for 2014). Species can override this or change the parameters as he sees fit, but I wanted to get the league vote.
Be it resolved...
A. If a manager hits the limit for an offensive position prior to the end of the season, he may have a roster without someone active at that position.
B. If a manager hits the innings limit for pitchers prior to the end of the season, he may have a roster without an active pitcher.
Please vote on each of these separately, following this example (which is my own vote):
A. yes
B. yes
I'm guessing 11 yes votes for either one should be sufficient.
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| | | 913 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 13:57
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911: yes. I am ahead of pace at two positions, and within striking distance (with intent to maximize) at two others.
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| | | 914 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 14:38
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912: You don't have to have an active pitcher at all times as long as you have 6 healthy Ps on your team. Same thing goes for each position on your hitting.
So you want to change things right now, so I guess we could also change the Hitters limit to say 162 right now as well?
There are other proposals in this thread that haven't been addressed as well, but that is likely because nothing can be done until next year anyhow.
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| | | 915 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:21
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Right, the proposal in 912 is saying you don't need 6 healthy P's.
Not interested in changing the limits in-season, and I don't think you'll have much leaguewide interest in that either.
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| | | 916 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:28
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There is no actual written rule on this issue is there? So this is about an interpretation of an unwritten rule?
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| | | 917 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:30
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Yeah, is there a rule that says if you reach the limit you still must have an active player there?
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| | | 918 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:30
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There is no actual written rule on this issue is there? So this is about an interpretation of an unwritten rule?
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| | | 919 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:46
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The written rule is ambiguous. There is precedent, in this thread, starting with post 606. To refresh your memory, I dropped Jayson Nix to pick up Joel Hanrahan, leaving my team without a starting second baseman. Even though I was competing and not tanking, this was deemed against the rules. Ref's take:
bhs had an illegal lineup the past two games. We have the authority to bench every player for every day his lineup was illegal. One thing is for sure that Hanharan will be removed from his team retroactively and any and all stats from the last two days obviously will go away.
When I hit the shortstop limit (currently 4 games ahead of pace), I want to play the remainder of the season without a shortstop. When I do that, I don't want to be in danger of having my stats zeroed out or players removed from my roster. So I'm looking to make it explicit that it is allowed.
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| | | 920 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:56
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What is the text of the written rule? I can't remember ever having seen it.
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| | | 921 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:57
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919: But you hadn't hit the game limit? Or had you? If not, there is no precedent.
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| | | 922 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 16:09
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"Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position "
This is in there which isn't really ambiguous.
I definitely agree it's a really dumb rule. Forcing a player to keep an active slot open when they are obviously competing is horrible. The whole Hanrahan debacle was kinda scary. There were people that actually wanted to make bh's lineup illegal for those days he had Hanrahan.
There was a pretty big voice that thought we should've changed the rules back then. I guess we forgot about it in the offseason. It needs to be addressed and hopefully changed.
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| | | 923 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 16:28
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Thank you.
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| | | 924 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 18:13
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The wording of this rule is very ambiguous. "Must have active players on roster at every position." Does that mean we must have active MLB players on the roster for each position, or does it specifically mean placing them in each of the active roster slots?
I can see why tanking would be discouraged in a league like this, but there are many more ways around tanking than the rules can allow for, if the manager really wants to do it. If I have 3 keeper starters, I can easliy fill my P slots with a bunch of crummy relievers and leave my keeper starters on the bench, for example.
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| | | 925 | GO
ID: 13629419
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 18:26
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The lottery makes tanking pointless anyway.
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| | | 926 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 20:30
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I'd love to see us revamp the prize pool and league fees to give incentive to teams outside the top 10 to keep "playing". As it stands now, anyone outside of the top 10 has almost no shot at the top 6. What incentive do they have to manage their team daily or make a shrewd SP pickup? Absolutely none. In fact, those that miss starts, load up on minor leaguers, and not manage their teams daily are rewarded.
The RIBC has a good system where if you don't finish in the top half they boot you out. Obviously, I'm not going to advocate that. However, if we made the bottom 3 teams pay a "losers" fee I bet we'd have a much more active league. I wouldn't want that fee to be very much, perhaps $15 for last place, 10 for 19th and 5 for 18th. That money could then be used to pay 3-4 more slots. This would force teams to remain active and not just sell off any usable piece to the highest bidder.
I just thought of this tonight so it might be a horrible idea. Regardless, I stand behind that something needs to be done to prevent indirect tanking and encourage teams to remain as active as possible.
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| | | 927 | GO
ID: 13629419
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 21:29
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We do last place penalties in several of my leagues. In Dirty Dozen we make last place pay for Kafenatid draft the next year... in football they buy the beer for the next years draft party.
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| | | 928 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 21:44
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Wow! The wording of this rule is very ambiguous. "Must have active players on roster at every position." Does that mean we must have active MLB players on the roster for each position, or does it specifically mean placing them in each of the active roster spots?
I think it does not matter if the player is in the starting slot or not. Whoever is in the starting slot gets no stats. If he is on your roster you might as well stick him in the slot because no matter who you have there, there are no stats...he just has to be position eligible.
But you have to have the correct # of players to match the roster slots. You can't drop the guy at the ineligible position to pick up someone else who plays another position to help you with stats at a position where you still have games left.
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| | | 929 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 22:21
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I would argue if someone maxes out at a position, which by the way is incredibly hard to do, then they shouldn't have to keep an active player in that slot. If you aren't maxed out, then you would need to but the gist of the current rule would be satisfied if that slot is maxed out. Just my two cents.
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| | | 930 | GO
ID: 13629419
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 22:21
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Yeah... like if I only have one catcher (Napoli) and I reach the max games at C -- can I start playing him at 1B or am I required to still keep a C rostered just to sit in the non-scoring C slot? Thats essentially what is being said, right?
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| | | 931 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 22:25
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If the rule is to prevent tanking and yet forces someone to keep a player rostered who cannot help the team, I can't help but think that's ridiculous. We seem to be hurting the team we're trying to keep from tanking.
I will also offer my opinion that there is nothing wrong with the limits we have--they match reality. Having a healthy team and making moves to deal with and capitalize on injury should be a part of winning.
I do love the idea of a losers pool and/or some sort of motivation to keep competing, even while rebuilding.
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| | | 932 | BH
ID: 1207919
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 00:01
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Well, looks like AA has finally decided to make some moves. Even better, he's going to have to make another move to drop my prospect...
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| | | 933 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 01:59
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Tommy Hunter available. Get dem saves.
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| | | 934 | Species
ID: 26645921
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 10:14
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Pete said: I would argue if someone maxes out at a position, which by the way is incredibly hard to do, then they shouldn't have to keep an active player in that slot. If you aren't maxed out, then you would need to but the gist of the current rule would be satisfied if that slot is maxed out. Just my two cents.
This is how I feel. If a manager maxes out games at a particular position - or maxes out IP for that matter - then, in my opinion, they should be free to leave that spot blank in their starting lineup and utilize that roster spot to maximize points at other positions.
That is my "ruling" as Commissioner as it pertains to blue hen's particular question. If he maxes out 2b.....in my view he is free to drop his 2b and not retain another 2b on his roster.
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| | | 936 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 10:44
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Ok, thanks Species. Appreciate the decisive comments.
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| | | 937 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 10:44
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Would also look to trade Adam Lind or Mark Reynolds for a serviceable outfielder of similar quality.
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| | | 938 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 11:44
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I agree. I feel like he met his commitment to playing a certain number of games and carrying a player at that position for those games.
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| | | 939 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 13:20
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Trade
Reddick trade includes his 9th and my 13th, in 2014 Supp Draft.
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| | | 940 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 13:26
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Confirmed
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| | | 941 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 13:56
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Carter/Hunter trade
bh sends:
Pete's 9th 2014.
bmd sends:
bmd's 13th 2014
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| | | 942 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 13:57
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Trade
In addition to the players included, the trade with BMD includes 2014 picks:
BH receives: bmd's 13th
bmd receives: Pete's 9th (acquired moments ago)
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| | | 943 | Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:23
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Bonifacio/Escobar Trade:
BH receives Emilio Bonifacio, his 14th round pick acquired by Slizz in the Rick Porcello deal.
Slizz receives Alcides Escobar, blue hen's 11th round pick.
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| | | 944 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:28
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Confirmed. Three trades in 24 hours with three different managers. And my team's actually been hitting! Still a long way to go, but no one will ever say I'm not trying.
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| | | 945 | Species
ID: 417491123
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 15:27
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Trades updated.
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| | | 946 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 16:47
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Thanks, Species. Feeling good now.
Fun stat: Last year, my last six weeks were 6.30, 5.28, 4.24, 4.90, 6.92, and 3.13 as I streamed crap after crap for 360 innings. This year, I will likely hit the limit early without having to stream.
Now just need some of these hitters to work out.
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| | | 947 | WG
ID: 15742211
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:01
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Anyone got a SP or 2 to move???
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| | | 948 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 19:00
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WG - talk to me!
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| | | 949 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 11:04
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TRADE
R9 gets
Carlos Gonzalez
WG gets
Mark Trumbo
Mike Minor
Taijuan Walker (P)
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| | | 950 | Species
ID: 26645921
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 11:08
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Nice trade boys.
Wow.
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| | | 951 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 14:09
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Calling up Anthony Rendon, 2B, WSH for the first time.
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| | | 952 | R9
ID: 57551514
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 19:23
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949 confirmed.
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| | | 953 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 23:12
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Pretty awesome following my team in person. My pitcher strikes out 11 in 6 scoreless, my slumping hitter reaches base twice, and my closer saves it. Nice day at Citi although every time I go, it seems to be Scherzer vs. Harvey.
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| | | 954 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 14:56
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Toral- Adam Eaton is a prospect.
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| | | 955 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 15:28
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Tx.
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| | | 956 | Jaydog
ID: 366501612
Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 16:57
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You have to be kidding me Matt Harvey. My three headed monster of Harvey, Cain, Cueto is now DL, Terrible, DL. So much for this season.
At least Matt Dominguez is leading my team w/ 4 HR's over the past two weeks.
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| | | 957 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Aug 26, 2013, 17:28
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Jaydog, that's pretty rough. And yeah, I've been noticing Dominguez, especially the last couple days as ARod has cooled off.
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| | | 958 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 00:33
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Jason Castro, 18 homeruns and .354 OBP is available. Would be a nice pickup for a contender down the stretch or someone looking for a 26 year old catcher keeper with upside.
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| | | 959 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 09:44
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Castro's pretty great. Wish I'd held onto him instead of some guy from the Braves. Speaking of which, Matt Dominguez homered again last night. I think there's a decent chance he's a keeper at this point. Can you find any other 23 year olds who hit 25 homers and weren't keepers? Did they play a premium position with good defense?
Granted, my own third baseman homered last night, so Dominguez was a luxury I could afford.
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| | | 960 | Jaydog
ID: 366501612
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 10:20
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I'm definitely enjoying the Dominguez ride. 5 HR's, 8 RBI's, and 13 Runs Scored w/ a .373 OBP over the last 2+ weeks. I needed a 3B with Aramis Ramirez looking like his days as a productive 3B over. Will have a very interesting decision to make in the offseason.
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| | | 962 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 10:58
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I need closers! Looking for your non-keeper, but still employed closers. Shoot me an email.
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| | | 963 | Species
ID: 271152305
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 11:44
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Just so everyone knows.....Roy Halladay will be available post-keepers next year.
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| | | 964 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 15:38
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You mean after you choose your keepers? As in you're keeping him?
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| | | 965 | WG
ID: 15742211
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 15:45
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Anyone want to make a small swap of Trumbo for a guy with better OBP???
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| | | 966 | Species
ID: 257112815
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 16:11
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Regarding my Halladay post 963:
You mean after you choose your keepers? As in you're keeping him?
Most likely "Yes" on both counts. I'm not sure I have keeper numbers 8 and 9.....so my current thought is to keep Halladay and flip him for something....a pick or perhaps a prospect.
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| | | 967 | beastiemiked
ID: 467102821
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 22:10
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Funny all that Gattis for Freese hoopla a few weeks ago and then they both end up on the waiver wire.
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| | | 968 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 08:29
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Dear contenders: did you know Will Venable is hitting .400 and slugging .760 in August?
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| | | 969 | Wg
ID: 552431321
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 10:02
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2 hours left... Anyone wanna deal???
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| | | 970 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 10:21
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I do!
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| | | 971 | Species
ID: 3763010
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 11:06
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I DO!
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| | | 972 | WG
ID: 15742211
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 11:18
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Email me if you have any thoughts!?
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| | | 973 | WG
ID: 15742211
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 12:26
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Since its my first year in this league I thought I'd ask...
Is the noon deadline that passed an absolute? I was emailing with another manager who was having internet/email connectivity issues. Any way to extend deadline a little?
If not, I understand.
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| | | 974 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 12:35
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That is one of the predetermined ESPN deadlines....one of the final periods available, I think.
That's a long winded "no".
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| | | 975 | WG
ID: 15742211
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 12:38
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If compatibility with ESPN is the only issue then there are probably other ways to allow a trade, no?
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| | | 976 | WG
ID: 15742211
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 13:03
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Calling up Taijuan Walker for the first time.
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| | | 977 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 14:37
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Yes, the deadline was the deadline. I don't even think we could extend it if we wanted to.
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| | | 978 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:30
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A noon deadline is a bit misleading and yet another east coast bias. When you say Aug 30th deadline, it makes you assume it's all that day.... until 11:59 PM.
Otherwise just make it 12 AM or Aug 29 at 11:59.
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| | | 979 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:48
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I just meant like our league constitution is controlling and not the limitations of the website we use... so like if we wanted to extend it, couldn't the commish edit rosters and manually make the changes?
But it's fine... I should have reached an agreement earlier.
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| | | 980 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 15:53
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I don't see how its an east coast bias, a time is a time. Not like it was middle of the night. It was the last hour before a game would be started on any day in MLB. As opposed to a deadline that occurs in the middle of games occurring at midnight or whenever mysterious night time processing occurs somewhere between 2 and 3 AM.
And these trades will also be processed that time the next day allowing those players to immediately get used in a game the next day. Its the latest time for that clean 24 hour review window before 1 PM start times. Make it midnight those guys aren't getting used for 2 full days.
And its not misleading if we've all known about it as outlined in posts 707 etc. as well on the rules page of ESPN it also specifically says noon.
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| | | 981 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 16:03
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True GO, but in this case wouldn't most people prefer extra time at the end over consideration for when the traded players can be plugged in?
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| | | 982 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 16:08
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Again, the time is irrelevant... we knew when the deadline is... if it was midnight tonight there would be people asking for extra time. If it were 3 PM tomorrow there would be people asking for more time. At some point you need to just pick a deadline and stick with it.
Exactly what just happened in the G24 keepers - we had someone working on a deal til right up to midnight and trying to post keepers at 12:30 -- 30 min post deadline.
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| | | 983 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 22:39
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It is true. No matter what time it is, it's never enough sometimes.
And the west coast bias remark was made in jest. I live in the east.
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| | | 984 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 23:10
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Calling up Z Wheeler, dropping W Chen. For kicks.
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| | | 985 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 10:33
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AA, I just saw that Wheeler was still a FA. You can pick him up on your own and just note it here as no salary needs to be added/removed at ESPN. I am still able to do it, so I will if that is ok. This is the first I've been in this thread for awhile.
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| | | 986 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 10:01
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no cheating on the Mike&Mike Jayson Stark trivia from 8/20...
Today's trivia: Miguel Cabrera one of 6 "active" players who ever had 40 HR/120 RBI in back-to-back yrs. Give ya Pujols/ARod. The other 3?
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| | | 987 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 11:07
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My guesses:
Ortiz
Giambi
Berkman
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| | | 988 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 12:44
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Ortiz and Manny if he counts.
Helton?
Dunn?
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| | | 989 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 17:10
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Hank Aaron?
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| | | 990 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 19:18
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Paul Konerko
David Ortiz
Ryan Howard
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| | | 991 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 19:21
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Damn. Konerko had 41/117 and 40/110.
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| | | 992 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 19:25
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Just checked Adam Dunn...despite his amazing string of 40 hr seasons he has never topped 120 RBIs.
Same with Giambi. He had amassed 120 RBIs for 3 straight seasons but only topped 40 hrs in one of those seasons.
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| | | 993 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 19:29
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Correction: 4 straight seasons
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| | | 994 | GO
ID: 50752922
Wed, Sep 04, 2013, 20:25
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Good guesses!
Ortiz
Helton
Howard
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| | | 995 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Sep 05, 2013, 10:25
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Never would've guessed Helton...I knew he was an awesome hitter but didnt know he had 40 hr power.
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| | | 996 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Sep 05, 2013, 11:21
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Those were his pre-humador years.
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| | | 997 | Perm Dude
ID: 417342923
Thu, Sep 05, 2013, 11:43
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Yes--very true. Helton was also a pretty good contact hitter. It is just that some of what would have been doubles or long fly balls would go out at Coors!
In fact, Helton could go 0 for his next 446 at bats and still end up with a career average of over .300.
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| | | 998 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 05, 2013, 11:46
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He did hit .352 on the road in 2000... and in 2001 his big power year his HR splits were 27 at home, 22 on the road.
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| | | 999 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 06, 2013, 09:22
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Pete got Middlebrooks too, right? Can I have him back? Nobody wanted him either...
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| | | 1000 | BH
ID: 1207919
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 07:51
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Post 1000!
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| | | 1001 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 13:58
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Pete "buy low" Nash
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| | | 1002 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 21:01
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Re: 1001 - Lol, it's been my theme this year. I'm hoping for some of the same magic with Everth next year.
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| | | 1003 | GO
ID: 50752922
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:08
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I offered Middlebrooks to everyone in this league for pennies on the dollar - he may or may not turn into something, but it blew my mind that nobody wanted that lottery ticket of a kid with a decent pedigree... at premium IF position... in a great lineup... in a great hitting home ballpark.
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| | | 1004 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:23
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Go, I have Asche and Franco in the pipeline. The one position I did not need anyone!
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| | | 1005 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 12:58
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Sending down Taijuan Walker
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| | | 1006 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 13:29
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Jayson Stark - 4 active hitters with 2,000+ hits & at least three 40-homer seasons
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| | | 1007 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 13:55
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1006 -
Konerko (figured longevity alone got him to 2k hits?)
Arod
Ortiz
Pujols
Names mostly sound good, but not sure if Ortiz actually has 3 40+ HR seasons and not positive they all have 2k hits.
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| | | 1008 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 14:01
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Come on - start a new thread for that. Or start concentrating on your G20 team again, since you've fallen to 4th!
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| | | 1009 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:12
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bh, the grumpy old man.
I like the trivia. Some of us have absolutely no reason(besides pride and integrity) to manage this last month so the trivia keeps me clicking on this thread.
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| | | 1010 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:18
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Fine, then let's make it G20 trivia. Who has the most top 6 finishes in league history?
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| | | 1011 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 08:55
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answer was... A-Rod, Pujols, Ortiz... and Jason Giambi!
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| | | 1012 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:46
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1010: Me
I have finished top 6 in all but one year when I finished last and wasn't even able to stockpile picks because no one would trade that year!
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| | | 1013 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 09:57
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Very nice. Any other G20 trivia questions?
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| | | 1014 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 13:03
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I compiled some hitting stats for our 2012 season. here are some G20 Trivia Questions based on them:
1) last season there were 4 players that played in all 162 games, but only 1 player was active on his G20 team for all of these 162 games. can you name the 4 players and which one was active for all of them? bonus: who was the manager?
2) how many different hitters were starting for a G20 team last season? how many of them started only 1 game?
3) there were 3 journeyman hitters last season: Alberto Callaspo, Darwin Barney and Kurt Suzuki. for how many different G20 teams did they play?
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| | | 1015 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 13:48
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Move over, Ref - Youngroman is my new favorite Gurupie!!
Awesome questions. Guesses: 1. Prince Fielder (Pete). 2. 438, with 55 starting one game. 3. 5 teams.
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| | | 1016 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 14:05
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Prince has played the most games the last 5 years I believe I read... hard to believe.
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| | | 1017 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 14:30
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1)
Prince Fielder was only starting for 161 games in 2012. I don't know which game Pete missed. he might remember it better.
Fielder did play all MLB games in 2011 and 2012, so he is 1 of the 4.
2)
less than that. in both cases.
3) 1st correct answer
5 teams is correct. in the meantime I also have 2011 stats and pitching stats and there are a few more players (2011: Juan Rivera, Joe Saunders, Octavio Dotel, Tim Wakefield, 2012: Kyle Kendrick) that were on 5 teams. haven't looked at this season if someone managed to play for 6 teams.
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| | | 1018 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 00:05
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Anyone have a link to the original draft?
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| | | 1019 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 07:09
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No, but I remember my original draftees: Nomar Garciaparra and Roy Oswalt. I was on the turn and don't remember what order I picked them in.
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| | | 1020 | Bmd
ID: 388131413
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 14:13
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http://www.angelfire.com/games5/gurupie/g20originalbaseballdraft.xls
Wow, my draft sucked.
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| | | 1021 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 14:19
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Pete has Jimmy Rollins and nothing else. Toral has Konerko, Peavy, Beltre, VMart. Thank goodness for trades and redrafts.
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| | | 1022 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 15:50
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And Carl Crawford, Ryan Dempster.
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| | | 1023 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 16:07
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the only players that were drafted and are currently rostered on my team are Jake Peavy and Marlon Byrd. In fact Byrd was even drafted by my franchise. So welcome back Marlon and enjoy your last ride!
btw. here are the missing answers (and more) for yesterdays trivia:
1) the 4 players who played in all 162 MLB games are:
- Starlin Castro
- Prince Fielder
- Adam Jones
- Ichiro Suzuki
Castro was the only one who was starting all 162 games for Toral.
Fielder and Jones missed 1 game and Ichiro was benched for 20 games.
2)
in 2012 a total of
- 382 hitters were started. 42 of them for only 1 game.
- 349 pitchers were started.
- 731 total players were started.
in 2011 a total of
- 394 hitters were started. only 25 for 1 game.
- 329 pitchers were started.
- 723 total players were started.
will add this seasons stats when the season is done.
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| | | 1024 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 09:50
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Roman, do you have stats on which teams benefitted most from players who only played 1 or 2 games for them? For example, who has the most RBIs from that type of player this season? Or the least?
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| | | 1025 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 10:05
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3-20-13 Jaydog receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th ('13 pick)
8-22-13 slizz gets blue hen's 11th while blue hen gets his own 14th back (Bonifacio)
As best I can tell, I traded my 11th twice. To rectify this, let's change the slizz deal to this:
8-22-13 slizz gets blue hen's 10th while blue hen gets his own 14th back (Bonifacio)
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| | | 1026 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 13:28
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cumulative stats from players that started only 1 game in 2011 or 2012. 2013 stats will follow in 2 weeks.
players:
- Blue Hen: 19 (2012), 9 (2011)
- Toral: 15 (2012), 2 (2011)
- Ref: 3 (2012), 3 (2011)
- Species: 2 (2012), 2 (2011)
- mjd: 1 (2012), 3 (2011)
- bmd, darkside, Sherby: 1 (2012), 1 (2011)
- Mike: 2 (2011)
- GO: 1 (2011)
RBI's :
- Blue Hen: 4 (2012), 5 (2011)
- Toral: 3 (2012)
- darkside: 1 (2012)
Runs:
- Toral: 7 (2012)
- Blue Hen: 5 (2012), 4 (2011)
- Species: 1 (2012)
- bmd: 1 (2012)
- mjd: 1 (2011)
- Mike: 1 (2011)
HR's:
- Toral: 1 (2012, Chris Heisey)
SB's:
- Blue Hen: 1 (2012, Valdespin)
- Species: 1 (2012, Leonys Martin)
decide for yourself who is the winner here. in 68 games there was only 1 HR and only 2 SB's, so you definitely don't need to look at these stats to select a player for a day.
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| | | 1027 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 14:34
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What about "1 or 2 games"? Or less than 10 games?
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| | | 1028 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 13:51
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here is the 2012 summary for players with a maximum of 10 games for their G20 team.green means top 3, orange is bottom 3. I only highlighted the averages by plate appearance because that seems to be the best stat to see how effective a manager is picking players. | Manager (id) | players | GP | AB | H | R | HR | RBI | BB | SB | PA | OBP | PA/G | HR/PA | SB/PA | RBI/PA | R/PA | | Blue Hen (6) | 52 | 112 | 400 | 85 | 42 | 10 | 31 | 30 | 3 | 430 | 0.267 | 3.839 | 0.023 | 0.007 | 0.072 | 0.098 | | Toral Blues (15) | 29 | 73 | 229 | 41 | 23 | 6 | 16 | 19 | 0 | 248 | 0.242 | 3.397 | 0.024 | 0.000 | 0.065 | 0.093 | | Ref Guru (1) | 23 | 87 | 291 | 59 | 24 | 4 | 25 | 27 | 2 | 318 | 0.270 | 3.655 | 0.013 | 0.006 | 0.079 | 0.075 | | Team mjd (19) | 14 | 78 | 250 | 48 | 24 | 6 | 19 | 24 | 8 | 274 | 0.263 | 3.513 | 0.022 | 0.029 | 0.069 | 0.088 | | Endangered Species (2) | 11 | 48 | 154 | 38 | 24 | 2 | 12 | 14 | 7 | 168 | 0.310 | 3.500 | 0.012 | 0.042 | 0.071 | 0.143 | | Team Tosh (5) | 11 | 45 | 141 | 29 | 16 | 1 | 14 | 14 | 0 | 155 | 0.277 | 3.444 | 0.006 | 0.000 | 0.090 | 0.103 | | GO's Gaslight Anthem (4) | 11 | 42 | 141 | 28 | 16 | 3 | 12 | 7 | 2 | 148 | 0.236 | 3.524 | 0.020 | 0.014 | 0.081 | 0.108 | | beastiemike d (8) | 10 | 40 | 146 | 35 | 14 | 1 | 14 | 11 | 3 | 157 | 0.293 | 3.925 | 0.006 | 0.019 | 0.089 | 0.089 | | youngroman's Luschen (17) | 9 | 43 | 142 | 31 | 15 | 2 | 19 | 17 | 1 | 159 | 0.302 | 3.698 | 0.013 | 0.006 | 0.119 | 0.094 | | Team Sherby (14) | 6 | 38 | 128 | 29 | 15 | 2 | 13 | 12 | 3 | 140 | 0.293 | 3.684 | 0.014 | 0.021 | 0.093 | 0.107 | | Team Goatlocker (10) | 5 | 24 | 70 | 13 | 6 | 0 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 77 | 0.260 | 3.208 | 0.000 | 0.026 | 0.078 | 0.078 | | allhair allstars (18) | 5 | 21 | 52 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 55 | 0.345 | 2.619 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.127 | 0.055 | | Team Nash (13) | 4 | 25 | 81 | 15 | 8 | 0 | 9 | 10 | 2 | 91 | 0.275 | 3.640 | 0.000 | 0.022 | 0.099 | 0.088 | | Sam n Max G (12) | 3 | 19 | 65 | 17 | 9 | 4 | 16 | 7 | 0 | 72 | 0.333 | 3.789 | 0.056 | 0.000 | 0.222 | 0.125 | | Roto Guru (3) | 3 | 8 | 28 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 29 | 0.241 | 3.625 | 0.000 | 0.034 | 0.069 | 0.069 | | Slackjawed Yokels (16) | 2 | 20 | 66 | 16 | 7 | 1 | 5 | 9 | 0 | 75 | 0.333 | 3.750 | 0.013 | 0.000 | 0.067 | 0.093 | | Team Hall (11) | 1 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0.250 | 2.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.125 | | Team Nerfheders (20) | 1 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0.000 | 2.500 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 0.000 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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| | | 1029 | Species
ID: 428471713
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 14:47
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1025: thanks bh. Updated.
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| | | 1030 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 15:21
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Roman, that's awesome. Let me reiterate that you have passed Ref as my favorite Gurupie.
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| | | 1031 | GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 15:34
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He can have that. I've still got Best Looking.
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| | | 1032 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 11:44
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Man, that's a tight race at the top.
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| | | 1033 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 11:49
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One interesting thing from the chart in 1028 is Judy. She only has 3 such players, but apparently, she picked them well.
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| | | 1034 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 09:46
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All three closers blow saves last night... nice!
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| | | 1035 | Judy
ID: 28523116
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 13:28
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1033: Dumb luck -- or a phillies player or two...
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| | | 1036 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 17:00
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Judy - It may definitely be luck, but not with the guys you thought of: Callaspo (5 games), Inge (6), Thome (8).
The only Phillies you played in 2012 were Galvis (42) and Wigginton (36).
for all of you that are interested, here is the raw data.
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| | | 1037 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 19:41
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I remember the Thome streak during interleague play. He was hot for the phillies, but they eventually traded/dropped him because all he could do was DH. There are times when I wish the NL had he DH. Example: a place for ryan Howard.
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| | | 1038 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 19:42
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You compiled all that data? Wow!!!
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| | | 1039 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 10:13
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Man, I wish YR would do a correlation calculation between how many moves a team makes and their success.
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| | | 1040 | GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 10:20
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Seems pretty balanced to me. Other than BH bludgeoning his way to a 3rd place... many of the top move makers are at the bottom of the standings.
I know I have so few add/drops cause my team has been steady and I haven't needed to. Too many guys I can't drop. I make way more moves when the team is terrible.
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| | | 1041 | GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 09:18
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Can Matt Adams be added? I asked BMD about it weeks ago when he crossed the line.
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| | | 1042 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 09:32
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No. I've dropped him.
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| | | 1043 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 11:58
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I tend not to make many moves unless I really need a player. When it's evident the team is going nowhere, I only make moves to keep the lineup legal.
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| | | 1044 | BH
ID: 1207919
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 08:27
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Roman, you still can't add Trevor Rosenthal...
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| | | 1045 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 13:55
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I know, I know. already dropped him. have not thought about checking prospects earlier today. it is a long season.
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| | | 1046 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 14:15
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Yep. There's a slight chance I'm going to call him up in the next day or so.
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| | | 1047 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 21:36
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Question: once I reach my IP cap does anything preclude me from continuing to add pitchers?
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| | | 1048 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Sep 25, 2013, 00:28
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Sending Wheeler back down. Replacing with Dave Carpenter.
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| | | 1049 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Wed, Sep 25, 2013, 07:42
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in the worst case I end up in 7th, so go all-in today (6 starting pitchers) in the quest to gain a point or two and finish 5th. there is not much to gain in the hitting categories so I have to rely on my pitchers to achieve that. need some Ks and Wins without hurting ERA and WHIP too bad.
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| | | 1050 | GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Sep 25, 2013, 09:03
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My trade for CC and subsequent flip for Kuroda who then forgot how to pitch like he did to that point resulted in combined... 147 IP, 5.70 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and only 5 W's. Thanks guys.
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| | | 1051 | Species
ID: 56835258
Wed, Sep 25, 2013, 10:20
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FYI -- the G20 Hoops Preseason thread is up. Last year, Frick announced that he wasn't coming back. He can change his mind, but assuming that sticks, we will have at least one opening.
G20 Hoops Thread
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| | | 1052 | GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 09:30
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F'n Middlebrooks...
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| | | 1053 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 14:00
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I did some math.
My final season ERA is 3.76.
I got 62 innings out of Roy Halladay and Brandon McCarthy.
If I had just taken zeroes for those innings, and not replaced them (so finished at 1363.1 innings)...
... my final ERA would have been 3.56.
Granted, that would have only gotten me 3 more points in the standings, plus 53 fewer strikeouts and 2 fewer wins.
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| | | 1054 | Species
ID: 56835258
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 10:51
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Post 1048:
I am going through prospects to take out any that have exceeded limits. Luckily for allhair, the limit for prospects is 110 IP so Wheeler qualifies.
In my head I thought it was 100 IP and I had reversed his sending him down.......hence you see me picking up and again releasing Wheeler for him. My bad.
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| | | 1055 | Species
ID: 56835258
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 11:20
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The following players have hit their prospect thresholds......are on active rosters......and are ineligible to be sent down:
Yasiel Puig
Jurickson Profar (302 career AB's now)
Gerrit Cole
Shelby Miller
Chris Archer
Anthony Rendon
Hyun-Jin Ryu
Nolan Arenado
As a result, they have been removed from the prospect list.
The following players were legally sent down to the prospect list prior to exceeding limits, and thus are legally on the prospect list until next year's prospect keeper deadline:
Jose Fernandez
Jedd Gyorko
Matt Adams
Adam Eaton
Trevor Rosenthal
This makes them ineligible to be added to rosters. Teams will need to call them up and keep them as part of their 9 keepers in order to retain their services.
I may have missed a few, so don't call this an end-all, be-all.
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| | | 1056 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 12:33
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re: 1055 What we have always done before on the guys not on your team but ineligible to be kept as a prospect is to simply add them to their respective teams and removed them as a prospect. Less things to have to deal with later and they then know they have to be kept as part of their 9. Odd that some of those 5 guys weren't called up as they could have really helped their team.
Wheeler got shut down just in time as he was just under the threshold to be kept as a prospect.
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| | | 1057 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 12:54
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Re 1056: Gyorko and Rosenthal were mine. I had Gyorko up most of the first half, and then he got hurt. When he came back, it was towards the end of the season and I was looking for disposable players. This week is a good example; when Bonifacio sat (or had a day off), I could just drop him and ensure I had someone playing that day. Couldn't have done that with Gyorko. For the record, I could have used Gyorko's HR, but his OBP was bad, as it usually is for young players.
Rosenthal is a similar situation. I didn't want to use innings that were unlikely to get wins or saves, and Rosenthal wasn't named closer until the day before I ran out of innings.
Both are on the block, once trading starts in three days.
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| | | 1058 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 15:01
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I didn't call up Adams because my team has sucked most of the year. Didn't see the point in calling him up when he was playing every 3-4 days and my team was buried. Now that he's an everyday player I could call him up but there's not much incentive in doing that.
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| | | 1059 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 17:45
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Species -- do I need to send Asche down? If so let me know ASAP.
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| | | 1060 | Species
ID: 271152305
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 18:39
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Judy - I glanced at Asche.....assuming he is nowhere near 300 at bats, you are fine to leave him up.
ALL prospects that retain prospect list eligibility get automatically sent down at the end of the year.....so you don't have to do anything.
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| | | 1061 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 27, 2013, 21:20
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Ok thanks.
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| | | 1062 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 13:03
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As we get to the end the season, let's take a minute to thank Species (and other commishes) for the hard work all season. And I personally want commemorate the two-year anniversary of the most exciting fantasy finish I have ever seen, shared with Species.
Good luck to everyone gunning for the top this weekend!
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| | | 1063 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 28, 2013, 20:07
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Bh - in another league, votto has been my only 1B all season, yet he is listed as +1 for Sunday. How can that be?
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| | | 1064 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 11:58
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Can you still make add/drops after the first game starts today?
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| | | 1065 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 12:02
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1064: no
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| | | 1066 | Species
ID: 57862918
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 19:07
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Jumping in with a slightly premature contratulations to wazuuup guy for his G20 victory in his rookie season. The a-hole. :P
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| | | 1067 | BH
ID: 1207919
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 21:18
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Agreed, congrats WG, and congrats to Ref and Roman in particular for very strong finishes. More coming soon, obviously.
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| | | 1068 | PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 21:42
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Congrats WG! Nicely done.
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| | | 1069 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 22:06
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Congrats WG!
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| | | 1070 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sun, Sep 29, 2013, 22:51
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WG, congrats and great job!
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| | | 1071 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 03:44
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Congrats, WG! Well deserved.
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| | | 1072 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 08:32
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Congrats WG.
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| | | 1073 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 08:46
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And here I was telling WG in the preseason that I thought he'd overpaid for Hosmer. Shows what I know. Great job!
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| | | 1074 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 09:26
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Congrats WG! Should be the template for teams that have crappy keepers. You can buy me a drink if we ever meet for stealing Chris Davis from me for pennies.
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| | | 1075 | Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 09:50
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Congrats, WG. Let no one say that a bad team can't be turned around ever again.
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| | | 1076 | mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 12:51
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Well done, WG.
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| | | 1077 | WG
ID: 3811221423
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 13:07
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Thanks guys. What a fun and ultra competitive season. I didn't feel comfortable until only recently. I think a few different people were in first throughout the year. Ref put a scare into me 2 days ago when it was 162-159.5 and BH put a scare into me a few days back when it was 165-163. BMD, I definitely owe you drinks for Crush... I was just looking for some power out of him and Rosario and figured even with their terrible OBPs, 3 out of 5 categories aint bad. Darkside, I thought I overpaid for the longest time as well. Lots of I could haves... I could have kept Hosmer but then I wouldn't have gotten Andrus and probably wouldn't have 19 in SB. I could have kept Freeman but then I couldn't get Cargo who got me Minor and Taijuan to help my pitching. I could have kept Beltre but then I couldn't get Lester who got me Liriano and Parker who also helped my pitching. I could have kept Cashner... but I thought I preferred to keep Hellickson of all people... etc, etc.
Looking forward to the strategizing, wheeling and dealing, trash talking, and camaraderie of next year, as well as trying to defend my crown!
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| | | 1078 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 13:36
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Grades
Keepers
Braun: B. Good, not great when he played, and missed half the season. Definite keeper next year.
Kemp: C+. Plus because I got value when I traded him. Not much else.
Bautista: B. Great when he played and likely to be kept next year, but getting older.
Andrus: B+. Shouldn't have traded him to the best team in the league.
Price: A+. As good as any pitcher in baseball.
Rizzo: B-. Still growing. Have high hopes for the future but a great 2013 would probably have won this thing.
Sale: A. Great progression from a great pitcher.
Stanton: A-. Terrible year, but got the pieces back in trade that should set me up well for 2014.
Halladay: F. I'd have been better off not having a 9th keeper.
Picks
Perkins: B+. Had exactly the solid year I expected, and is now an elite closer.
Grilli: A-. Best closer in baseball for most of the year. Good trade bait.
Hanson: F. Had a couple good starts, but nowhere near worthy of a first rounder.
Reynolds: C+. I still believe Reynolds can recapture the magic, although he had some bad months in 2013.
McCarthy: D. Points for getting better after I dropped him. That's about it.
Milone: C. Flashed brilliance at times, but could have been better.
E. Cabrera: A. Amazing for the first half, then traded for the exact parts I needed.
Alburquerque: F. I was right - somebody in Detroit's bullpen was going to dominate.
Dominguez: B-. Good value so late, but most of his homers happened elsewhere.
Grandal: D. This one just didn't pan out.
Jaso: C+. Until he got injured, was a decent late pick.
Straily: B-. For a while, looked like the gem of the draft. Future still bright.
D. Norris: C. Didn't do much for me.
Corbin: A. Keeper in the last round? I'll take it.
Prospect Picks
Rondon: C. Didn't get that closer job, but was good value in trade.
C. Capps: B-. Still might be a closer in March, so there's value here.
Dahl: B-. Traded at just the right time.
Rosenthal: A. Last pick in the prospect draft turned out ok.
Trades
5/19 Andrus for Gregorius and Hosmer: C. Not a D or F because Hosmer and Gregorius were part of the Fielder trade.
6/2: Stanton, Hosmer, Gregorius, Hanson, Scheppers, Rondon, Dahl for Fielder, Choo, Scherzer, Lincecum, Bailey: B. Can't get an A since short-term deal didn't win a pennant. But did get some good value here, especially Scherzer, who took off after the trade.
6/14 Porcello for pick: A. Happy to get value for a non-keeper.
7/9 Kemp for picks: A-. Got a lot of value, but lost a superstar. Extra credit for his lack of 2013 production.
8/6 Rivera for Dominguez: A-. Rivera did blow his first few save chances, but was great in the end.
8/11 Everth for ARod, Reddick, Benoit: B+. Benoit was just hitting his groove and ended quite well. ARod was great for the month also.
8/22: Reddick for pick: A. Got what I could for a player about to hit the DL.
8/22: Carter and Hunter for picks: A-. Carter was great for me, but Hunter gave almost nothing.
8/23: Bonifacio and pick for Alcides: B. He was bonifide for me down the stretch, but I might have been better just playing Gyorko.
Overall: B+. You always want to win, but when your team is beset with injuries, ineffectiveness, and suspensions, it's difficult. Well positioned for 2014.
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Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 15:31
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Review of the Year:
1. Thanx to all the guyz at the top for an exciting pennant race. I remember a day in early September when the top two shifted 8 points in one day. Fun to watch.
2. I'm happy about this year, despite being out of the money, because the beginning looked so bleak. In the first week of April, I became sick, and didn't recover till mid-May. Basically I had enuf health and will to struggle to the computer and do my lineups -- most days-- and that was that. The illness isn't brought up as an excuse for poor performance -- a rotation depending heavily on Edwin Jackson, Gallardo and Estrada, and hitting lineup depending on young "stars" Starlin Castro and Brett Lawrie, wasn't going anywhere fast. On May 20th or so, I recovered. In mid-May I had made 2 or 3 transactions, which you will know, is not my style. What surprised me was how much I had forgotten over that month-and-a-half. I couldn't remember what teams players were on. It seemed to take half an hour to figure out what to do when a player was injured.
Happily I got back into the swing of things. . I was as low as 16th, I believe, at one stage. Once I got better I pushed my way up as high as 8th before finishing 9th. I knew I had no chance at the money, and was only ruining my draft position,. but I convinced myself that I still knew what I was doing, which is more important. Besides, I hate losing, hate finishing crap accidently on purpose. Just a personal preference. In the end my transaction total was 100.
3. I must acknowledge with shame my terrible trade at the beginning of the season, when I handed Gio Gonzalez to GO while extracting much less than I could have for him. (GO: you are not encouraged to tell me how much more). What happened was that I was concentrating more on reconciling my keepers (i.e., getting them down to 9) than on getting value for who I traded. That's the only trade I've ever made in this league that I regret, based on what I knew at the time. (It was a terrible mistake to trade for Bret Boone the winter he decided to go off steroids, but I didn't know about that.)
An excess of keepers won't be a problem next year...but I should be fighting to be in the money.
Oh, and WG: when you're offered your choice of trophies, I suggest the one shaped like a baseball glove. That's what I opted for.
Thanx to all for a good season.
Toral
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ID: 438333012
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 15:40
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I think a 2nd + 3rd wasn't that far off from my max cause remember at the time he was under investigation for Biogenesis -- so there was a gamble involved in the equation. And he was on the list.
And also factor in that I had my own keepers I was comfortable with and had to kick someone else to the curb which always hinders these pre-keeper deals a bit. But when adding my moving Longoria for Profar (to prospect) that freed up a spot.
Wonder what I could have done this year if I kept Longoria - I didn't expect to be a contender. I could have used some more power.
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| | | 1081 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 16:42
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Nice job WG!!
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| | | 1082 | Species
ID: 417491123
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 18:25
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Final Standings:
Standings
1. Wazaaap Guy 165 -1
2. Ref Guru 159 +1
3. Blue Hen 156.5 +1
4. GO's Gaslight Anthem 154.5 +0.5
5. allhair allstars 152.5 +0
6. youngroman's Luschen 144 +0
7. Jay Dog 137.5 -1.5
8. Niner's Niners 113.5 +0.5
9. Toral Tories 113 +0
10. Team Tosh 101.5 -1
11. Team GoatLocker 95.5 +0
12. Sam n Max G 88 +0.5
13. beastiemike d 84.5 +0.5
14. Team mjd 79 +5
15. darkside of the moon 78 -1
16. Team Nerfherders 76.5 -2
17. Roto Guru 61.5 -2
18. Giancarlo Inc 59 -0.5
19. Keep Calm and Chive On 54 +0
20. Prospective Success 27 +0
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ID: 417491123
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 18:26
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Trades:
These managers have had their 2014 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
3-15-13 Species receives Jaydog's 1st round prospect pick (Desmond/Rivera)
4-27-13 bmd receives GoatLocker's 1st round prospect pick (Berkman/Mujica)
7-9-13 blue hen receives Jaydog's 1st round prospect pick via Species (Kemp)
These managers have had their 2014 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
8-18-12 R9 receives blue hen's 3rd rounder for his 10th (Reed)
2-15-13 Great One receives Species' 1st rounder for his 5th (Profar/Longoria)
2-20-13 Toral receives Great One's 3rd rounder for his 12th (G. Gonzalez)
3-8-13 slizz receives Species' 5th rounder for his 7th (Bogaerts)
3-20-13 Jaydog receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th ('13 pick)
3-20-13 Jaydog receives slizz' 13th for his 13th - conditional upon slizz' pick being higher ('13 pick)
4-27-13 bmd receives GoatLocker's 3rd for his 14th (Berkman/Mujica)
5-21-13 darkside receives Great One's 2nd rounder for his 7th (Beltran)
6-12-13 slizz receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Parker, Brothers/Lester)
6-12-13 blue hen receives slizz' 9th for his 14th (Porcello)
6-17-13 PeteN. receives WG's 1st and 5th for his 10th and 11th (Freeman/Cingrani)
7-6-13 slizz receives Ref's 6th for his 14th
7-9-13 blue hen receives Species' 2nd for Jaydog's 14th (Kemp)
7-17-13 darkside receives GO's 1st for his 6th (Nathan)
7-19-13 PeteN. receives GO's 4th for his 14th (Napoli)
8-02-13 Judy receives WG's 6th and 9th for her 10th and 11th (Morales/Lucroy)
8-03-13 Toral receives a conditional pick for for his 14th (Cishek)
From 8/3 through the end of the season, if Cishek gets
- 8 or more saves Toral gets Ref's 4th rounder
- At least 5 or up to 7 saves Toral gets Ref's 5th rounder
- 4 or less saves Toral gets Ref's 7th rounder
8-06-13 Nerf gets WG's 7th for his 10th
8-09-13 Toral gets allhair's 5th for his 13th (Werth/Chen/Hawkins)
8-10-13 darkside gets GO's 9th for his 13th (Beckham)
8-20-13 GoatLocker gets GO's 7th for his 12th (A. Ramirez)
8-22-13 blue hen gets PeteN's 9th for his 13th (Reddick)
8-22-13 bmd gets PeteN's 9th (via blue hen) for his 13th (Carter/Hunter)
8-22-13 slizz gets blue hen's 10th while blue hen gets his own 14th back (Bonifacio)
These managers have had their 2015 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
2-15-13 Species receives Great One's 1st and 4th rounders for his 13th and 14th (Profar/Longoria)
3-15-13 Species receives Jaydog's 1st and 5th rounders for his 11th and 12th (Desmond/Rivera)
4-25-13 Species receives Pete's 3rd rounder for his 9th (Bailey)
4-28-13 Species receives Pete's 6th rounder for his 10th (Veras)
5-2-13 Species receives Tosh's 5th rounder for his 8th (Kendrick)
5-10-13 mjd receives Ref's 5th rounder for his 14th (Gregg)
5-18-13 Species receives Great One's 3rd rounder for his 6th (Sabathia/Granderson)
6-12-13 slizz receives WG's 8th rounder* (conditionally) for his 14th (Brothers)
*8th rounder is the lowest pick this can be, contingent upon the number of Rex Brothers saves in 2014 -- COMMISH NOTE: this is irrespective of whether WG keeps him or not. Whatever the save number is, that's the pick he gives up:
Rex Brothers 2014 Saves
00-9 - 8th
10-19 - 7th
20-29 - 6th
30-39 - 5th
40+ - 4th
7-9-13 blue hen receives Jaydog's 1st (via Species) for his 11th (Kemp)
7-9-13 blue hen receives Pete N's 3rd (via Species) for his 12th (Kemp)\
These managers have had their 2016 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-1-13 Species receives WG's 4th rounder for his 7th (Lackey)
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| | | 1084 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Sep 30, 2013, 18:36
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Cishek got 11 saves after 8/3. Toral gets Ref's 4th rounder.
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| | | 1085 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Oct 01, 2013, 09:32
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All,
Great season to all.
Sorry I haven't been around much.
Was a real tough year.
Becoming unemployed and then reemployed with a new company is tough as a few of you know.
Do I need to do anything with Yelich.
Intend to keep him as a prospect and he meets the numbers okay.
If I do need to move him down, could a commissioner do that for me.
Thanks.
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| | | 1086 | Species
ID: 57862918
Fri, Oct 04, 2013, 21:08
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1056 states: re: 1055 What we have always done before on the guys not on your team but ineligible to be kept as a prospect is to simply add them to their respective teams and removed them as a prospect.
Good idea. So I have added the following players to their respective team's rosters (and removed them from the prospect list), as they would all be required to be keepers:
Jose Fernandez
Jedd Gyorko
Matt Adams
Adam Eaton
Trevor Rosenthal
To that end, since I couldn't adjust the roster sizes, I made the following drops of players I felt had zero chance of having keeper value:
blue hen: David Lough and Brian Dozier
darkside: Daric Barton
slizz: Mason Williams
bmd: Derek Norris
If fortunes for these players were to change, these teams still hold rights to these players, who were legally on their rosters at the end of the season. to me it's simply more valuable to place the now-former prospects on the rosters instead, as they would all need to be keepers.
Please ask if you have any questions.
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| | | 1087 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Oct 05, 2013, 12:16
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1085
Do I need to do anything with Yelich.
Plan to keep him as prospect.(10th keeper)
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| | | 1088 | Species
ID: 271152305
Sat, Oct 05, 2013, 13:56
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1087: No. I will also be going thru rosters and cutting Prospect list-eligible players and sending them down.
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| | | 1089 | Species
ID: 57862918
Sat, Oct 05, 2013, 19:07
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The following players were on active rosters but still were eligible for the prospect list. By league rule, all of these players have been removed from their respective rosters and "sent down" to the prospect list:
Christian Yelich
Cody Asche
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| | | 1090 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Mon, Oct 07, 2013, 10:15
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Also Carter Capps for me. I supposed Gordon Beckham is the guy to drop, mostly so there's no confusion that I own half the middle relievers in baseball.
That said, Brian Dozier is on the block. At 26, he came into his own this year, hitting 18 homers and stealing 14 bases. He's a good bet for 20-20 next season, which is valuable for a middle infielder. Also, Dozier walked 51 times, which means that if he can bring the average up, he'll help in OBP as well. Given his age, position, and guaranteed playing time, Dozier seems like a good option to fill out your keepers.
Also looking to trade a reliever or six: Perkins, Grilli, Benoit, Melancon, Rosenthal, Capps, or Storen could be yours for a pick. Look at last year's first round to see the value this league places on relievers. Note: if one of the question mark guys gets solidified in the offseason, the price goes up; get in now for the bargains.
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| | | 1091 | Species
ID: 57862918
Mon, Oct 07, 2013, 20:20
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1090: Thanks. Carter Capps added.
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| | | 1092 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Oct 07, 2013, 22:06
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So 161 of 162 Seattle Mariner games were on TV this season. I went to 6 games, and saw on TV another 142 on TV, for a total of 148 games.
I really need a new hobby next Summer, because Mariner watching is far from fulfilling.
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| | | 1093 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Oct 08, 2013, 13:25
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Wow. Even back in the TBS days I don't think I saw the Braves more than 110 times in a season. And that seemed to be enough. I probably saw them 35-40 times this season between ESPN, MLB, TBS, Fox, WGN, and live. And that also seemed to be enough. Keeps the wife happy. :)
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| | | 1094 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Oct 08, 2013, 20:22
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Thanks Species
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| | | 1095 | GO
ID: 37940813
Wed, Oct 09, 2013, 10:21
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I didn't realize Braves fans actually went to any games!
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| | | 1096 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Wed, Oct 09, 2013, 11:34
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I went to a Braves playoff game in 1998 that didn't sell out.
I may be the anti-Tosh. I watched parts of probably 500 games this year, but only 30 or 40 Phillies games.
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| | | 1097 | Nerd herders
ID: 347152518
Wed, Oct 09, 2013, 15:28
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Well to be fair I live in Colorado so I only see them live when they visit. I did get to go to a game at Turner Field this year for the very first time. That was pretty special.
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| | | 1098 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 09, 2013, 16:17
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In full disclosure, I only lasted a couple of pitches during a few of the late-season Houston-Seattle TV games. Life is too short to waste time watching Houston-Seattle.
I also attended 6 Tacoma Rainers (AAA) games, and one game each for Everett Aquasox, Tri-City Dust Devils, Hillsboro Hops, Salem-Keizer Volcanoes, and Eugene Emeralds (All low-A teams in the Northwest League).
Now ... visiting 5 low-A baseball stadiums was a pretty fun hobby this summer.
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| | | 1099 | Perm Dude
ID: 417342923
Wed, Oct 09, 2013, 20:40
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If anyone ever wants to visit NE PA and go to some minor league games, lemme know. We've got the Scranton-Wilkes Barre Rail Riders (AAA), the Binghamton Mets (AA), and the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs (AAA) all close by.
I've also gone to Trenton Thunder games, which is a nice place to watch a game.
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| | | 1100 | GO
ID: 59918108
Thu, Oct 10, 2013, 15:30
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Plus the Lehigh stadium has the urinal games...
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| | | 1101 | youngroman
ID: 3913664
Fri, Oct 18, 2013, 11:51
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I have now downloaded all the stats for the 2012 and 2013 season. if someone is interested in the raw-data (xls or csv) contact me and I'll send it over.
trivia:
1) what is the most common stat line for a hitter while owned in G20 over the last 2 seasons?
1a) who is the most average hitter over the last 2 seasons?
1b) how many games was the player from 1a just average?
2) what is the most common stat line for a pitcher while owned in G20 over the last 2 seasons?
2a) who is the most average pitcher over the last 2 seasons?
2b) how many games was the player from 2a just average?
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| | | 1102 | Meatwads
ID: 278391817
Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 14:29
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I posted something way back in March but I thought It might be wise to speak up again. If there are any openings in this league next season, I would love to be considered.
For those of you who don't know of me, I consider myself a manager who loves to talk trades, makes my lineup every day and has an unhealthy obsession with minor leaguers. Whoever is in charge, please keep me in mind if a spot opens up, thanks.
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| | | 1103 | GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Nov 15, 2013, 08:43
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Meatwads - didn't you win G20 NBA too? Winning a sister league always gets you to the top of the waiting list.
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| | | 1104 | Meatwads
ID: 4510311610
Sat, Nov 16, 2013, 11:32
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GO - I haven't actually won the G20 Hoops before although I've come devastatingly close. I finished in 2nd place two years ago and 3rd place last year. I think with a little more injury luck down the stretch I could've pulled one out. (At least that's what I tell myself)
For what it's worth, I consider baseball my strongest sport so I would certainly make a good attempt to be competitive. I'm also willing to take over a rebuilding project, although I'd be glad to take over the best team in the league too!
I've had a lot of fun playing the G20 Hoops and I know a lot of the same managers are in this one, so that's why I'm interested. I'm also a big fan of keeper leagues and I'm trying to add as many good ones as I can to my rotation.
Just keep me in mind when baseball season rolls around. If you guys don't have a spot open up, I'll very likely be interested in years to come as well.
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| | | 1105 | Slizz
ID: 491136917
Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 19:12
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Since fantasy football season is officially over, I'm starting to do some prep work for the 2014 prospect draft. One of the big surprises to me was Tanaka was already drafted...in the second round! Talk about a steal by mjd...
Meatwads - as long as you'd be an active participant on the board, you'd have my vote of approval. The activity is what makes this league great and it's truly unique.
I am already anxious to see who will be kept...
As for my squad I am finally in a position to be active this offseason:
Definite Keepers:
2B - Rendon
3B - Arenado
OF - Brown
OF - Arcia
SP - Fernandez
RP - Reed
Could-be Keepers:
1B/OF - Ruf
SS - Villar
SP - Lester
RP - Soria
Keepers in the right situation:
OF - Khris Davis
OF - Jake Marisnick (20/20 type?)
RP - Wilson (if he lands LAD job)
RP - Torres (see above)
Can't hurt to start some discussion!!
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| | | 1106 | Species
ID: 57862918
Sat, Dec 21, 2013, 23:01
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Tanaka was a great pick by mjd.....but he had to know it was at least 1 year before he was posted.....and it seems as if it's going to be two. But the nice thing is, you already have a No. 2 starter ready to go on Day 1 when he is finally posted.
I think Darvish was picked at least 1 year before he was posted. Pretty sure it was 2 years....
There are SEVERAL nice names at the top of the Prospect Draft this March. Particularly since I will own a high pick, I am quite excited!! :D
I've already turned down a trade offer this offseason. it's NEVER too early! I have several very interesting names:
- Pineda
- Paxton
- Leake
- Stephenson
- Foltynewitz
- Upton
- D'Arnaud
- Pederson
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| | | 1107 | Slizz
ID: 491136917
Mon, Dec 23, 2013, 15:37
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...and oh yeah, the Natural, Evan Gattis!
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| | | 1108 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Jan 02, 2014, 10:20
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Happy New Year!
Just wanted to throw some names out there - you won't need to look up any of these guys. Looking for a big bat.
- Scherzer
- Corbin
- Perkins
- Rosenthal
- Grilli
- Rizzo
- Bautista
- Gyorko
Also have Chris Carter and Wilson Ramos, with more risk but plenty of upside.
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| | | 1109 | GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Jan 02, 2014, 11:07
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I also have names you don't have to Google for sale, looking to package for an IF...
Nathan
Romo
Gio
Ellsbury
Dunn
Beltre
Granderson
Cuddyer
Beltran
Alexei
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| | | 1110 | blue hen
ID: 4739168
Thu, Jan 02, 2014, 15:02
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Youngroman - trying to get hold of you - can you shoot me an email?
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