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Subject: Gurupie 20 -- 2015 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species - [6031912] Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:03

Only 20-odd days until Spring Training!! There are already some trades brewing, so don't get caught with your pants down!

As with every year, please confirm that you are indeed coming back. No real rush, we are very early.....but I am really excited for this season. We have a lot of really good teams chomping at the bit to unseat blue hen, so everyone get your heads out of your a$$es, work on your teams and get ready for the season!

Pre-Season is also the time to bring up any rule changes for discussion, debate, and if there is enough support, we can put things to a vote. There was a lot of chatter regarding the timing of our P-Draft lottery......so if someone cares that much, you need to Champion the discussion! Everything is always on the table. While we have some covenants that are probably pretty sacred, in the end this is our league - for all 20 of us - so let's make it as good as we possibly can.

Last year's standings

1. Blue Hen 177 +0
2. Red Crosses of Doom 154.5 -1.5
3. Roto Guru 145 +2.5
4. Wazaaap Guy 144 -0.5
5. Toral Tories 140.5 -3.5
6. allhair allstars 132.5 -0.5
7. Slizzy Slizz 128 -1
8. darkside of the moon 123 +1
9. Team Nerfherders 117 -3
10. youngroman's Luschen 113.5 +1
11. Team GoatLocker 100.5 -1
12. Niner's Niners 100 +0.5
13. Team mjd 77.5 +3
14. Jay Dog 76.5 -1.5
15. Endangered Species 74 +5
16. beastiemike d 68 -2
16. Sam n Max G 68 -0.5
18. Team Tosh 62.5 -1.5
19. Giancarlo Inc 50 +5
20. GO's Gaslight Anthem 48 -1.5
Updated Saturday, October 4, 2014

First order of business -- please confirm your return (or lack thereof) for 2015!!

Thank you and good luck!

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:08

Timing: Irrespective of last year's Australian games, the season starts roughly a week later this year. Last year, this was our timeline:

- Keepers due Tuesday March 4th Noon
- Prospect keepers due Wednesday March 5th 9:00am
- Prospect draft starts Wednesday March 5th 2:00pm
- Supplemental draft turned on Saturday March 8th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Monday March 10th

Not making a decision right now obviously, but I'd probably push this timeline out roughly a week and start March 10th or so.

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:16

Back.

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:19

The following prospects have exceeded limits and have been removed from the prospect list:

Allhair: Chris Owings
blue hen: Jonathan Schoop
Species: Rougned Odor

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:20

Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 30.16 Kyle Crick, P, SF;
bmd: 30.09 Joc Pederson, OF, LAD; 31.05 DJ Peterson, 3b, SEA; 32.02 Josmil Pinto, C, MIN (1)
Blue Hen: 30.14 Vic Black, P, NYM; 30.18 Joey Gallo, 3b, TEX; 31.09 Colin Moran, 3b, HOU; 31.12 Daniel Webb, P, CHW;
Darkside: 30.08 Matt Davidson, 3b, CHW; 31.04 Alexander Guerrero, 2b, LAD; 32.01 Erik Johnson, P, CHW
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 31.06 Austin Hedges, C, SD
Great One: 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA (2); 27.03 Javier Baez, SS, CHC (1); 31.02 Alex Meyer, P, MIN; 31.11 Mookie Betts, 2b, BOS;
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Jaydog: 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,CHC; 31.04 Mikael Franco, 3b, PHI
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 27.05 Jorge Soler, OF, CHC 30.02 Gregory Polanco, OF, PIT (1)
Nerfherders: 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT; 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 30.01 Kris Bryant, 3b, CHC; 30.05 Jonathan Gray, P, COL; 31.03 Tyler Glasnow, P, PIT
Ref: 31.13 Garin Cecchini, 3b, BOS; 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD
R9: 30.13 Andrew Heaney, P, LAA (1)
Slizz: 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS
Species: 21.13 Miguel Sano,3b,MIN; 30.06 Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD; 31.01 Jorge Alfaro, C, TEX
Toral: 27.14 Delino DeShields Jr, 2b, TEX; 31.07 Kenta Maeda, P, JAP
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 30.11 Eddie Butler, P, COL
wg: 30.20 Aaron Sanchez, P, TOR; 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI
youngroman: 28.03 Noah Snydergaard, SP, NYM;

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:24

I'll be back.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 13:40

Slizz
ID: 451101617
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 14:34

Back.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 14:50

In. Working on my young team.

Nerfherders
ID: 347152518
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 15:17

In.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 15:28

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 17:11

Bean
ID: 121011511
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 17:17

If you have an opening, keep me in mind

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 19:07

R9
ID: 440321918
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 19:32

In.

darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 21:25

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 22:39

GO
ID: 344132921
Mon, Jan 19, 2015, 22:58

In.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 09:31

In. FYI, Webb and Black are also over the 40 game limit, so should be removed as well.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 10:20

Also want to take this opportunity to pimp out Daniel Norris, who is on the block. Did you know that Norris led the minors in two of the most predictive categories among all prospects with at least 40 IP?

Fielding Independent Pitching (FIP)
Severino 2.37
Norris 2.67
Glasnow 2.71
Holmes 2.87
Bundy 2.91
Berrios 2.97
Giolito 3.04
Manaea 3.06
Urias 3.08

Strikeouts Per Nine Innings (K/9)
Norris 11.77
Glasnow 11.36
Urias 11.19
Crick 11.06
Harvey 10.88
Manaea 10.80
Holmes 10.80
McCullers 10.67
Meyer 10.57

For a rebuilding team, Norris seems like a perfect fit. He's available cheap, so go ahead and make an offer.

Link to full list on MILB.com

Slizz
ID: 451101617
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 10:35

Love the fact that there is little manager turnover in this league...

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 18:25

Yet to respond :

WG
allhair
mjd
bmd

beastiemiked
ID: 5911312710
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 21:11

WG
ID: 539431423
Tue, Jan 20, 2015, 23:28

Tree
ID: 161036918
Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 08:45

if there are openings, i'm also interested. i loved the G20 football, and would feel the same about the baseball sibling.

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 13:59

In

I believe Polanco is over the prospect limit and Solar was called up once.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 14:32

Polanco had 277 AB, and our limit is 300. Polanco IS still eligible as a prospect.

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 15:08

I happily stand corrected.

Though I must have called up Solar, as he's on my active roster.

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Jan 21, 2015, 22:13

There were MANY high quality prospects who were pretty close to their limits. I was happy that the spirit of the rule (not to eliminate mid to late season callups) worked as intended.

allhair allstars
ID: 110542222
Thu, Jan 22, 2015, 23:54

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Jan 23, 2015, 08:22

Assuming bmd's respone in 20 is "IN" as opposed to "NO",it looks like our full compliment of 20 are back! Great!

Spring training in 20-odd days. Get to studying, and answer my emails please!!

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jan 26, 2015, 16:54

When do we get to sign into the 2015 website?
Re position eligibility, do the 2014 stats carry over? What about someone like Franco who is listed at 3B for PP for 2014. Will it be the same for 2015?

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Jan 26, 2015, 18:00

Judy - for players who saw the majors, it's 20 games in 2014 to qualify. During the season, 10 games at a new position will qualify them for that new position.

No idea when ESPN is launching for 2015.

Historically, ESPN's crack staff - second only to those at MLB.com's mobile team - would just assign rookies/minor leaguers a position based upon their interpretation of their primary position in 2014. I would guess Franco will be assigned 3b....we'll have to see.

PS - can you email me please?

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 09:32

There's a pretty specific algorithm for players on ESPN. I'll paraphrase.

- For players who played 20 games at a position in 2014, they are eligible at each of them.
- For players who played in the majors in 2014 but did not have 20 games at any position, they are eligible at the position they played the most.
- For players who did not play in the majors in 2014 (and have no history), a position will be assigned, editorially. You can see this on the player page; the position listed there is the one where the player will be eligible.

I guess there could be exceptions to this - like if a guy gets hurt and only plays 3 games in a year at DH, but was a shortstop the previous year. But it's a pretty safe bet that Franco (12 3B, 5 1B) will be 3B eligible only for 2015.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 09:57

Looking to trade prospect Colin Moran pretty cheap. Remember, you can keep him as a prospect and not one of your nine. All I'm asking is that you take my 8th rounder and give me your 6th rounder. First offer to my inbox gets him.

WG
ID: 539431423
Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 20:01

FIRST TRADE OF THE YEAR

Wazaaap Guy gets
David Dahl (p)

Giancarlo Inc gets
Elvis Andrus

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 20:03

Confirmed

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Jan 27, 2015, 23:28

Nice!

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 09:16

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Judy gets:
Avisail Garcia, OF, CHW
BMD 14.05

Slizz gets:
Judy 4.04

Judy please confirm

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 09:49

Nice action!

Here's some trademark Blue Hen Analysis on the two trades.

Andrus for Dahl:

Dahl's been coming on as a prospect. It'll be interesting to see what he turns into. Elvis, meanwhile, is a far cry from what he was when he led Team Blue Hen to half a championship in 2011. He'll never have a good OBP and the steals have been much lower. I'd expect a .310 OBP and 30 steals for Elvis. Helpful, but not something I'd trade a top prospect for. Obviously, Pete has a different view of Andrus, so I understand his side, but I don't agree. Winner: WG

Avisail for pick:
I had a few conversations with Judy in the last couple weeks, and she basically described Avisail as the player she wanted. I didn't have a similar player - my guys were older or played different positions. So I get it from her perspective. Still, I think she could have gotten Avisail or a similar player for much less prior to the draft, or even just waited until the draft and kept whoever she is going to drop. Winner: Slizz

That said, both trades make sense for all involved - good work.

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 09:52

The #4 rated player in ESPN's player rather last year, Michael Brantley, may be available for a package of draft choices/prospects/prospect choices. I don't plan on trading him until sometime after mid-February, when everyone is paying attention. But it doesn't hurt to get your offer in early if you think you can blow me away.

Species
ID: 80541218
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 10:00

39: Part of the value for Pete is thinning his prospect ranks to get down to the required 3. Dahl has been up and down -- he is back up now so yes his value is back up. I like the deal for both but agree I like the WG better.

Getting 30+ steals from a MI is of value.....

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 12:53

Great feedback, bh and species

Pete trade:

Pete had 4 prospects:
1) Kris Bryant
2) Tyler Glasnow
3) Jon Gray
4) David Dahl

Obviously, I expect Pete to call up Kris Bryant to start the season as a 10th keeper. That move still leaves him with 3 prospects. In order to have prospect pick odds at 1.02, he would need to call another prospect up. Most likely, Jon Gray would be that guy. Jon Gray won't pitch until Super 2 at the earliest...and even that is doubtful as Gray looks more like a September call-up. If that is the case, Pete eats possibly 2 roster spots on guys who could be in the minors to start the season. Not a wise move. Pete traded for Cabrera with the expectations that he could be a long-term solution at ss...but the guy is a head case and could be out of baseball. Getting Andrus provides three valuable assets to Pete:

1) Long-term ss solution and at least 30 sb/season
2) extra roster spot as a result of not having to call up gray
3) draft pick odds of 1.02

On a pure player for player swap, WG wins. I've been a huge Dahl fan dating back to my days of the Jose Fernandez draft. He was #4 on my board behind Jose, Puig, and Soler...Dahl is a young Matt Holiday and WG shrewdly obtained him.

My analysis - push. Pete got a long term solution at ss and roster flexibility. WG gets a guy who wouldn't be there at 2.17 or wherever he picks and can keep a closer or comparable pitcher to help him contend. Win/Win

My trade:

Judy and I had exchanged emails about the direction of her team. She indicated she needed help hitting and still wanted a young hitter as a part of her nucleus, as described by bh above...

Believe me, I wanted to keep Garcia, but he was my #4 outfielder. I know he is a guy who would go in the 1st or 2nd round in the s-draft. 23 years old and at least 15/15 hitting in the middle of the whitesox order. We each agreed he would be a good fit and worked on compensation and came to an agreement.

Win/Win. Judy gets a young guy with massive upside and I get some type of compensation for someone that I could not keep.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 14:46

Here's one where Jake Arrieta is ranked the #15 starter in baseball for 2015.

With Sale, Price, Cole, and Odorizzi, not likely to keep 5 SP. Get those offers coming for Arrieta.

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 14:54

Chris Carter, DH, HOU: 3 games shy of retaining 1B eligibility. This guy should be kept and is currently rated as the #49 overall player on rotowire. Shoot, I would keep him if I wasn't so bullish on Arcia. Carter is one of 8 MLB players who hit at least 30 HR last season and has now done it in consecutive seasons.

For a team devoid or weak on power, please email me for an extra 35 home runs that will boost your bottom line.

Danny Santana, SS/OF, MIN: had a solid rookie year posting a line of .353/70/7/40/20 in 405 AB last season for the Twins. The Twins are experimenting with placing him back at SS full-time with the addition of Hunter. Pro-rate this over a whole season, he has a good shot of 10 hr and 30 sb. Currently going around 120 adp in re-draft leagues as per rotowire. Also #8 SS on razzball...

I'm planning on casting him back into the pile, so first decent offer gets him.

Michael Pineda, SP, NYY: A solid 9th keeper-type who fixes to being a high pick in this draft. Has the upside of a #1 pitcher if he can stay healthy.

I'm also throwing this name into the pile: John Lester. I plan on keeping Lester, but like Toral and Brantley, I could be swayed into trading him.

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 14:57

Just realized I forgot to put an intro to the previous post...I'm sure you've deduced that I'm looking to move those players!

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 15:55

#38 confirmed

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 19:46

Trade Announcement

Bh gets:
Miguel Cabrera

Tosh gets:
Jake Arrieta
Trevor Rosenthal
Chris Sale

Caveats:
If Miggy under 800 ops OR 100 games OR 20 homers, bh gets Tosh 2nd supp and 1st prospect

If Miggy under 900 ops OR 25 homers, bh gets tosh 4th supp 1st prospect

In both cases, tosh gets Bh's worst remaining pick on last day of season.

If Sale has TJ surgery on or before Sept 30 (date of surgery, only TJ), all picks are negated.

Phew.

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 19:50

Slizz pretty much nailed it with his analysis in post 42. I wanted to not only get down to the required 3 prospects, but also to open up a pick for a deep prospect draft.

Making this trade allows me to keep Gray in the farm with Glasnow (barring something unforeseen, Bryant will be called up and renounced as my "10th" keep). Elvis is coming off of a disappointing season, but I expect him to bounce back (along with the Rangers overall). WG gets a top prospect and I improve my keepers while also thinning out my prospects. Win/Win

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 19:52

Wow, nice trade guys!

Species
ID: 80541218
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 21:09

48: Wow........congrats on a huge blockbuster trade guys. Let's take a look at this deal:

Tosh:

Tosh is void of decent pitching keepers. Tillman is ok, but hardly someone to build around. With Janssen likely out as closer given him signing with Washington, a closer to keep could have been on his list. So, trading one offensive stud for 3 keeper pitchers, while painful, makes some sense.......until you realize he has Dylan Bundy and Eddie Butler looming on his prospect list.

That said, Chris Sale is a without-a-doubt top 5 if not top 3 pitcher. Wins are always a crapshoot (if your name isn't Kershaw), so with him you get top K's and top TOP TOP ratios. Awesome. And only 25 years old.

Jake Arrieta was HORRIBLE for the Orioles in his 3+ seasons in Baltimore before going to the Cubs mid-season. He turned it around there in 2013 -- did the Cubs find some flaw in his mechanics.....teach him a new grip/pitch -- and was amazing in 2014. If that turnaround is real (what to YOU think?) and he is a top 15-20 pitcher, great.

Trevor Rosenthal has the appearance of a shutdown young closer. 45 saves, big strikeout ratio........but looking closer, and if you watched the playoffs, you saw him really struggle for half of 2014. In 2013 and early in 2014, Rosenthal was 97-98 most of the time and could blow people away. Later in the year he struggled with control - doubling his walk rate - and was more like 94-95. Fluke? Bad half year? Or a trend??

blue hen

Miguel Cabrera is one of the greatest right handed hitters in history. I believe he played through a lot of nagging injuries last year, slowing his bat speed. While there are a lot of whispers about how his huge contract will be an albatross for the Tigers in a few years -- in my opinion Cabrera is still a top 3, completely dominant hitter for several years.

If this trade was just Cabrera for the three pitchers, I might call it even. But then Tosh has to throw in a 1st round prospect pick this year AND a 2nd or 4th on top of it! Tosh is usually a strong prospect guy.....but man did he blow it by including his prospect pick.

When Keith Law's top 100 prospects comes out, many of us will start our research and realize that this is an absolutely loaded prospect draft. The top 3 last year were Kris Bryant, Gregory Polanco and Jose Abreu. When considering this trade, if (for the sake of discussion) you attached one of those three names to Tosh's side of the trade ledger --- how would it look?

Randy, I'm sorry man.......but I really really really like the bh side of this better. That prospect pick is really valuable.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 21:15

Note that if Miggy is over .900 and over 25 homers, no picks. And Tosh is now good enough that it won't be a top 3 pick.

Species
ID: 80541218
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 22:55

My bad on the prospect pick. I should have realized the all picks were subject to Cabrera's performance, and thus it couldn't possibly be a 2015 prospect pick.

The caveats should have been better explained!! I didn't realize there was a scenario, outside of Sale TJ, that nullified the picks.

I feel better now ;)

Species
ID: 80541218
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 23:03

All of you guys (WG/Pete, bh/Tosh, Slizz/Judy) need to complete those trades on ESPN. It looks like the trading function works.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 23:09

I am looking for a 2015 prospect pick in addition! Have Miguel Cabrera to offer! Must also include Moke Trout or Andrew McCutchen!

Species
ID: 80541218
Wed, Jan 28, 2015, 23:26

Updated the constitution. Hopefully I understood everything and worded it properly. Please check.

I too am looking for a 2015 prospect pick.

Tosh
ID: 41727116
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 00:07

It took three years of prodding, but Blue Hen finally got me to trade him Cabrera.

If Cabrera didn't have a slightly down year in 2014, I would still be keeping him, and building my pitching staff around Tillman or Holland (as Species noted). But he has likely reached the peak of his trad-ability at the age of 32. He's listed as #5-7 overall in most rankings, but another slightly-off year will drop him some more slots in 2016. Just today, he is the first name on Rotowire's 'Injury Risk: Players to Avoid' article. Blue Hen wanted some insurance for the future if Cabrera turns out being a schmuck this season, and thus the caveats. Unless he totally sucks, I shouldn't be sending BH any additional compensation.

I tried and tried to find warts on Chris Sale. There are just too many articles saying too much nice stuff about him. And at the age of 25, he should be my ace for the foreseeable future. I had some concerns about the elbow and his unique arm slot, so I added my caveat ... if he has TJ surgery this season, it doesn't matter what Cabrera does ... BH gets no additional compensation.

Arrieta is more of a gamble, but a fairly safe one. His 2014 season was vastly different than previous seasons, as he changed his pitching style, relying more on the breaking pitch. He had a K/9 of 9.5, and a 49.2 GB%, with above-average velocity on all 5 of his pitches. He'll be a strong SP2 for me for several seasons.

Rosenthal is also a gamble. I don't like trading for Closers, since the job security is just too low. But St Louis should be providing him with plenty of Save opportunities, and if he can cut down on his BB%, he'll be a strong addition to my ratios.

I've already got my queue list made for my 2014 prospect pick. Unless Miggy falls off the table in production, I'll be still getting my 2015 pick as well. And I won't feel any pressure with my supplemental round 1 pick to take a SP or Closer like I would have to if I had Tillman as SP1, and no closer.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 09:39

Confirming League Note: looks good except "irregardless" should be "regardless."

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 09:55

Stop the presses! Miguel Cabrera is an injury risk!

In all seriousness, there are a lot of risk out there, and Cabrera and Sale have been two of the most analyzed - superstars with an alleged penchant for injury. But meanwhile, they have performed. And performed and performed.

As with all trades, some of you think I am crazy, or Tosh is crazy, but this is like every other trade I make - fills a need for both teams. No team in this league needed pitching more than Tosh, and I had no fewer than eight pitchers better than his best pitcher. He knew which need to address, and how best to make it happen. He'll miss Miggy, but again, he's assuming Miggy will be unkeepable by the time Sale hits 30. Maybe he will. Sale is the best pitcher in baseball (shut up Toral and Species - put Sale in Dodger Stadium or Safeco and he's even better than your supposed aces).

Most of our earlier discussions centered around Price. And I figured, if I'm willing to trade Price, I guess Sale is expendable too. Remember, Price is a recent Cy Young winner and led MLB in strikeouts last season. Comfortable rolling with Price and Cole and whatever the closer situation turns out to be.

Now I guess I can't keep Adam LaRoche, who just hit 26 homers and is headed to a hitters' park. Let's get those offers coming.

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 11:56

I might be willing to part with one of my prospect picks.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 12:54

I am also interested in trading my prospect picks.

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 16:11

59: I assume you are joking about Cabrera's injury risk, right? Dude's worst season of games played was 148. He has played in at least 157 games in 9 of the last 11 years.

The bigger worry is him turning into the LAA version of Pujols. I'd bet the farm that it will not be THIS year.

I just wondered why Tosh didn't get a broader protection on Sale. If you're doling out mutual protection, why limit it solely to TJ? Why not shoulder surgery? But that's nitpicking.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 16:14

Quite frankly, Sale shouldn't need any insurance - even if he goes Tj, there's a long history of comebacks in that arena. But I wasn't going to let that get in the way.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 16:24

Trade Announcement

Species receives:
Nothing

Blue Hen receives:
One farm

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 17:24

Of the six hitters with career similarity scores closest to Cabrera at his age, 5 declined in OPS in the next season, the exception being Mel Ott, who at 5' 9" was of a quite different body type than Cabrera. The average decline of the 6 (counting in Ott's increase) was .085. The comps were of course superb hitters; 5 of the 6 will he in the HoF.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 21:29

Toral, where were you two days ago?

Follow up question to your fact? What kind of OapS did those players have in the previous year? A guy who goes from 900 to 850 is more likely to go to 875 than 825.

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Jan 30, 2015, 06:17

I agree with your general point, I think. Many players take a significant drop off at 31 or 32; many who drop off at 31 kind of plateau there for a year rather than dropping further. I haven't actually projected anything yet, but my instinct would be that Cabrera is more likely to be plus or minus .025 in OPS than minus .085.

The six comps:

30 963
31 925
32 840

Cabrera:

30 1078
31 895
32 ?

So to the extent regression to the mean occurs, Cabrera is better placed than his comps.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Jan 30, 2015, 10:11

That's pretty much what I said to Tosh during the discussions. I had Prince Fielder on my team in 2013, and it probably cost me the title. Precipitous, in his case.

If Miggy was going to have a similar dropoff, I wanted some kind of recompense. I figured a pick and a prospect pick would be a nice start. Even if Miggy was "just ordinary" like 2014, I wanted something back. If Miggy hits the thresholds (.900 OPS and 25 homers), I'll probably be too busy polishing my championship trophy to mind that I won't get other picks.

And if Sale happens to have the TJ, I miss out on the picks, but still get the satisfaction that I dodged a bullet on that one.

Species
ID: 80541218
Fri, Jan 30, 2015, 12:33

I might argue that - while decades of history of the greats of the game don't lie - that Cabrera's 2014 drop had a lot more to do with him battling injury for much of the year than necessarily a sign of his impending decline in his 30's. Maybe he would've gone from 1078 to 990 instead.....and maybe his 2015 would be more like 925.

Just wild guesses I know.......but needless to say I am not pleased that bh just got one of the 3 best hitters on the planet, because I feel he will do quite well this year!

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Jan 30, 2015, 13:10

I had a misunderstanding of the rules and thus I have no prospect pick to trade for now. Sorry to those who contacted me.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 15:26

Could someone post the s-draft order, please?

Species
ID: 80541218
Sat, Jan 31, 2015, 17:24

Judy - post 443 here has a grid. It's not fully updated with the recent trades though.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 15:17

Looking to add one more impact bat before the season starts. Offering a combination of picks and these players: Shin Soo Choo, Adam LaRoche, David Ortiz, Jedd Gyorko, and Zach Britton. And I guess, Daniel Norris. Pretty much half of a contending roster right there.

Let me know.

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 18:19

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

WG gives:
Adam Jones, OF, BAL

Slizz gives:
Jon Lester, SP, CHC

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 19:18

Confirmed

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 19:36

BH: Pretty much half of a contending roster right there.
What, are we starting a second mirror AAA Gurupie league?

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Feb 02, 2015, 19:37

Composed of people who were picked up off the free agent list last year for good reason?

Species
ID: 80541218
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 00:06

I am interested in exploring trades for one or more of my prospects:

Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD:

Corey is the younger brother of Seattle 3b Kyle Seager. Corey is ranked as the #5 prospect in Baseball by ESPN's Keith Law, and the #7 prospect in Baseball by MLB.com.

Law: "Seager has MVP-type upside at third base. Kyle Seager is already a top-20 player, but even as good as he is, brother Corey has the potential to be much better."

mlb.com: "Seager has a smooth, balanced lefty swing as well as bat speed, strength and a mature all-fields approach. Scouts say that Seager is a more advanced hitter and shows more pop than his older brother Kyle, now an All-Star with the Mariners, showed at the same stage of his career."

Corey is still listed at SS, but scouts consistently say he is probably too big to play SS in the majors. He may be initially called up as a SS, but his most likely position is 3b. With both Rollins and Uribe on the final years of their contract, ALL signs point to Seager as a favorite for one of those positions in 2016, with a mid-season callup post-ASB likely.

Miguel Sano, 3b, MIN:

Law ranks Sano 15th, while MLB has him 11th.

Law: "Sano has grade-80 raw power, with the potential to hit 30-35 homers a year in the majors, generating that output with a rotational swing that makes good use of his hips and legs."

mlb: "Sano has nearly as much power as anyone in the Minor Leagues, with the potential for his 2013 output to become an annual occurrence. His strong strike zone knowledge allows him to get pitches to drive regularly, making his raw pop translate consistently in games. With his plus power comes a good amount of strikeouts, but he's shown an ability to hit for decent average."

Sano shows greater pitch recognition and on-base ability than most with his power. He lost 2014 to tommy john, but that is not expected to harm his hitting. An easy bet for 30+ HR from third base as the Twins' cleanup hitter for a decade. His ETA is also as a mid-season, post-ASB call up for good in 2015.

Jorge Alfaro, C, TEX:

Law ranks him 35th while Mlb ranks him 45th. Law: "Alfaro has 80 raw power, with an 80 arm behind the plate, and he has the hands and athleticism to be an above-average receiver as well, with the bat speed to hit for a high average. He has All-Star upside behind the plate, because he should hit 20-25 homers with a solid average"

mlb: "He has the best combination of raw power and pure arm strength among Minor League catchers, though he's still polishing those tools and the other aspects of his game."

Alfaro has huge upside. He is superbly athletic, but the knock on him is he needs to turn those athletic gifts into refinement behind the dish.

--------------------------------------------

It is time for me to leverage these highly valued assets into 2015 immediate value. What I am seeking in return is a trade AFTER our 9 keepers are final. I like my 9 keepers and I don't really have the room for more. Ultimately this would be before the Supplemental Draft (so I can concentrate picks on what I really need), but it can also be done in-season if I don't get what I need earlier.

The players I might target in return don't necessarily have to be young stars. Older players with less keeper value long term, but with 1 or 2 more years of strong current value would be valued by me. Examples of this nature might be players like Brian McCann and Cliff Lee. Solid players towards the tail ends of their careers with another couple good years left. I use them as examples because Judy and I don't really match up (and trust me I already inquired), given that she has Russell and Franco on her prospect list already.

So, whereas historically I am holding onto players of this ilk like I'd hold onto my last breath, at this point I am looking to turn them into highly valuable 2015 assets to give bh a run for his money and take my title back!

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 08:56

Toral, while I found your post amusing and got a chuckle, the players BH is offering are not that bad (AAA) all things considered:

-laroche just had a puff piece in espn insider stating to the effect he would lead (I mean be second to Chris Carter who, coincidentally, is also available) the al in home runs.

-papi, while old, is still an on base machine who provides production.

-choo is coming off a career worst season, but could be a 9th keeper on most teams...

-gyorko, young enough to be an impact keeper bat depending on your long-term view of him.

-Britton gets saves...

Of those players listed, rotowire has almost all in the top 100.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 09:53

Toral, while I can look past the mean-spirited nature of your post, I do want to point out that your facts are a little bit... incorrect.

Shin Soo Choo and Jedd Gyorko have not been on the waiver wire since you were a contender in G20. In other words, a long time ago. Both were kept this past season, and not by a crappy team, but by the team that dominated the 2014 season.

David Ortiz hasn't been on the waiver wire, perhaps ever. In the only G20 season in which he wasn't kept, he was drafted 1.01.

Adam LaRoche was acquired in a major trade this year, and was a key part of the championship team.

Zach Britton, I admit, was pulled off the waiver wire. But after 37 saves last year, and projections for 40 more this year, he's hardly waiver fodder.

Seems like comments from a guy who hasn't been paying much attention in G20.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 10:37

Want to clarify what Species is saying, to make sure we're all clear on it and it's within the rules.

He gives you one of his prospect players (listed), and then keepers happen, and then you trade him one of your players. Essentially, a "player to be named." It makes sense, but there's no precedent for it, and I want to make sure the league finds that acceptable before all the work happens. Anyone have a strong opinion?

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:39

81: uhm No.

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:45

81 - incorrect.

Everything is linear.

- Your 9 keepers happen
- I trade a prospect in exchange for a player or players that were kept by someone else.
- Everyone is legal and happy.

A comparison - albeit not involving a prospect - was my trade of 3 keepers for Matt Harvey.

Is there an aspect of what I am looking for that is confusing you, bh?

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 11:58

76, 77, 80:

Let's tone it down a bit.

This request is for EVERYONE:

Please refrain from openly denouncing other people's players, particularly in response to a manager's advertising a player(s) available in trade. It is okay to post your own competing player(s) in a post and recite statistical or even anecdotal reasons why your player might be more valuable -- just try to keep it to the facts of your players perceived (or in statistics, their actual values) superior traits without bashing a competing team's player.

An example might be to discuss the value of Joey Gallo vs Miguel Sano. It would be perfectly ok (in my opinion) to explain that Sano has a higher floor than Gallo due to his higher contact rate. Gallo struck out 40% of the time in his last season compared to Sano who struck out 18.5% of the time but has comparable (but not equal) power.

So....let's keep it clean fellas.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 12:59

Re 84: I'll tone it down. Just reacting to the post, but should have stuck to the facts.

Re: 84: I disagree - that statement of stats puts down my player; I don't think we should do that, other than in a list (see Norris charts above), which paints all players in a positive light.

Re: 83: yes, still confused. In this scenario, you keep all three of your current prospects (and forfeit a p-pick selection for 2015), and then trade the prospect you've kept for a player someone else kept in regular keepers. Is that correct?

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 14:41

85: Species is saying that at the keeper deadline when everyone has their teams down to 9 players, you then are free to trade to go above 9 players. Species is saying that as long as he's down to the proper amount of prospects by the prospect deadline than he could still trade a prospect for a keeper.

For instance:
Keepers due March 1
Prospect Keepers due March 3.
On March 2nd, he could trade a prospect for someone else's Keeper. That gets him down to right amount of prospects while getting a 10th keeper. Someone else has 8 Keepers and another prospect if they were under the prospect limit to start with.

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 16:50

That's correct. Thanks Ref.

Every team needs to remember that each deadline is independent from the other. The moment 9 keepers are final, you can do anything you want with those 9 players.

Until the Prospect Keeper deadline, you can do anything you want with them. Once the deadline passes and Prospect picks are awarded, it is again a free for all. You can then exceed 3 prospects once that deadline has passed, etc.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 17:28

Ok got it. That sounds fair, assuming you can find someone who is willing to use that keeper slot for that purpose. That person would also have to use a prospect keeper slot (limit 3) to keep that prospect (or call them up to the regular roster like a 10th keeper, renouncing them).

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 03, 2015, 18:07

88: Sure. But that trade could also be done after Prospect Keepers, making your point moot.

All of those factors come into play in negotiations.

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Feb 04, 2015, 19:55

I just realized Jaydog never actually confirmed he was in. I sent him another email.

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Feb 05, 2015, 12:23

I think it is awesome that we have already had 4 trades.

Too bad 7 or 8 teams in the league probably missed out on the action. There are that many teams who have literally not posted a single thing in this thread besides the fact they are returning.

- I get that I am a maniac about this league
- I get that Spring Training hasn't even started

But it disappoints me (as a league member, not in the context of a Commissioner) that so many in the league aren't involved, posting trade thought, posting players available, posting needs.....anything. Maybe I am underestimating some, and they are diligently working behind the scenes, but top studs like Miguel Cabrera, Adam Jones, Chris Sale and Jon Lester have been traded already!! I have not received more than ONE inquiry on my prospects (and these are top studs, not also-rans). I would love to see more teams involved.

End of rant.

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Feb 05, 2015, 12:25

Agree wholeheartedly, but I try to keep quiet on such topics, since no one is unclear about where I stand.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 05, 2015, 21:26

Hmmm, somebody asked me about a player.
I said I was willing to talk and they never got back to me.
So yes, I'm quiet right now as I try to figure out what I am doing.
And, the website being down sure doesn't help.

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 08:27

I dissent.

Most people are sensible and don't start worrying about this stuff till 2nd week of February or so. It used to be that the only people insisting on jumping the gun and trading in February were people seeking to be the first to trade with one particular manager. I used to be very annoyed to have this necessity disturb my January.

It's bad enuf to have fanatics stirring things up before pitchers and catchers report. Now they're telling us when *we* ought to start redirecting activity to baseball. The gall some people have is incredible.

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 08:30

On that same subject...the website I most rely on for such things wasn't even up thill 3 days ago!

Species
ID: 80541218
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 10:08

94: Of course you dissent. I love that about you.

I never told anyone to do anything. I said I was personally disappointed more teams aren't involved and interacting in ways to improve their teams. I said I 'would love to see more teams involved'. Is there a directive statement in there that I missed?

You posted about Brantley. I hope you got more inquiries than just mine!

My post was a mixture of cheerleading and ranting. I love this league.....I love the challenge.........and totally selfishly after 3 years of retooling I am excited to make a run. My mind won't shut off about it, and I need to determine if potential trade partners would possibly see scenarios that what I have to offer matches up with what they would be willing to do. I try to plant a lot of seeds and give them time to germinate, but I get impatient. I can't help it!

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 10:28

This used to be a league of "fanatics stirring things up." A couple years ago, I asked what people like about this league, and the top answer was "the level of competition." I'd definitely knock the overall level of competition down a notch if multiple owners don't want to talk trade until mid-February. I hear Twarpy is starting a league called Pansy 20, and he's guaranteeing admission to G20 owners. I would welcome Tree or Bean or Meatwads in this league; those guys are definitely thinking about baseball in January. Last time we had an opening, the guy took a crappy team to a championship.

For the record, there have been a ton of owners willing to talk in January, including mjd, nerf, bmd, Great One, R9, Judy, Pete, and of course, Tosh. It's not all Slizz, WG, and Species. Here's hoping things pick up in the next month.

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 14:09

It would help if the ESPN site would open up so we can continue to evaluate how pieces fit on our teams. Hard to even talk to people when you can't see who has what. I have had discussions behind the scenes, but one key trade piece that one person wants is dependent on how he will be used this season for me.

100

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Feb 06, 2015, 14:14

A little birdie told me that ESPN should launch next week.

101

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Feb 08, 2015, 13:45

+1 to 98.

I've checked a half dozen times recently because I do want to think about this team, and each time I am thwarted by the fact that the site is down. It's crazy to me that they need to take down the entire thing to upgrade, and that the upgrade takes a week or more.

102

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Feb 08, 2015, 13:55

Or that they didn't do the upgrade in December when no one (except bh) is thinking about baseball...

103

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 09:49

Yep. Here I am finally ready to go and do my massive league keeper analysis, and the site has been down for at least 4 days. Serves me right, I guess.

104

GO
ID: 344132921
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 10:38

I think everyone can agree, why are they not doing this in December or January?

105

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 11:11

Surprised we still haven't heard from Jaydog, after post 90.

And you guys are absolutely right about the site maintenance window. Have any of you written to customer care about it?

106

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 12:28

Now that he has a landing spot, I am shopping James Shields. I am looking for a keeper-quality 1B/2B/SS/OF.

107

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 15:11

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Judy gives:
2015 1st round p-draft (1.04) and s-draft (1.04) lottery odds
2016 s-draft pick based on Chris Carter's Home Run production:
-3rd if he leads the league in home runs
-4th 35+ home runs
-5th 25-34
-6th under 24 home runs
-7th if he sustains a significant injury and does not reach 24 home runs.

Slizz gives:
Marcell Ozuna, OF, MIA
Chris Carter, DH, HOU
2015 1st rd p-draft (1.13 or 1.14 pending keepers) and s-draft pick (1.14)
2016 13th rd s-draft pick

108

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 15:40

Now THAT's a complicated deal.

In English, this is basically Carter, Ozuna, and a pick, for some in-round upgrades.

I really like this trade for Judy. She needed better keepers, and Carter and Ozuna are quite good (and Ozuna is young to boot). She doesn't give up much in return, since 10 picks in the draft, even at the top of the draft, isn't world-changing. If Carter stinks, she gives very little back. Quite honestly, if Carter hits 35 or more homers, she'll be happy to part with a 4th. Only concern for Judy now is position slots - she has Avisail, Ozuna, and Carter taking up valuable outfield and DH slots.

I can also see Slizz's side of this. He obviously has his eye on players at the top of both drafts, and this puts him pretty high in the lotteries for them. And we all know how he feels about Oswaldo Arcia, and now he's cleared two slots and presumably keeps his guy.

I'll call Judy the winner here, because this is a big step for her to climb back into it. Eager to see if she can find a taker for Cliff Lee.

109

Tosh
ID: 41727116
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 15:51

The website went down last Friday. I had accepted the Miggy/Sale trade offer at ESPN on Thursday, but the trade had not yet processed. I wonder if I'll have Miggy or Sale when the site finally returns.

110

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 16:45

A point for discussion.....

Noting for the record there is nothing in our rules against it.....but how does the league feel about all of these trades with performance contingencies??

On one hand, teams want to get what they are paying for in trade. Reasonable.

On the other hand, it complicates negotiations and convolutes the ownership of future picks. How is slizz supposed to make other trades involving his picks if he doesn't know until the end of the year what he will have? I guess that is his own fault, but.....

111

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 16:50

Yeah, anybody want Lee -- cheap?? Trade slot swap obviously...

112

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 16:53

Bh -- I have both SS and 3B waiting on prospect list -- sometime this year I hope. Will use fillers until then... Just need another OF and then fill out my pitching staff...

113

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 16:56

Species, I think the managers involved will keep accurate track of the contingencies. I for example will follow Carter's HR totals carefully!

114

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 16:57

A clarification regarding the trading of draft picks subject to our lotteries:

- all trades hold no matter what the lottery outcome
- we run our lotteries with the names of the original holder of that pick slot to avoid confusion with owners owning multiple picks in the lottery
- we apply the traded picks to those results to arrive at the final draft order

In the slizz/Judy case, slizz could end up trading down! He hints towards this in noting he's trading draft odds. Technically they are each trading their first round picks. Slizz could win either lottery, and Judy will get that pick. Those odds are low....but you never know.

Any questions on that?

115

Jaydog
ID: 3216916
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 17:06

Hey all,

Finally out of a shoveling induced hibernation and am back in baseball mode. I know a few of you have made trade offers that I plan on starting to look into this week. I apologize for being a bit MIA, I'm not sure I've stopped shoveling since New Years.

My team is in dire need of a youth injection. I think I have enough pieces to throw a contender together, but would love discuss potential trades, especially those involving Brandon Phillips, Josh Hamilton, Yadier Molina, or really anyone on my roster.

116

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 18:34

Question on 107: How did you two define "a significant injury "????

117

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 19:34

Anyone short on keepers interested in Matt Wieters for a 2015 7th round supplemental draft pick?

118

GO
ID: 344132921
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 20:01

I am short on keepers but not sure I need a catcher. Looking for similar offers for anybody else's leftovers as well so feel free to let me know if you have any.

119

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 23:23

Re: 110 - I don't worry about it. It gives me an idea of what I will have and can work my own picks.

Re: 116 - 60 day dl trip

120

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Feb 09, 2015, 23:46

Back to our regularly scheduled advertising (which I don't want to get lost in the hubbub):

I am interested in exploring trades for one or more of my prospects:

Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD:

Corey is the younger brother of Seattle 3b Kyle Seager. Corey is ranked as the #5 prospect in Baseball by ESPN's Keith Law, the #7 prospect by Baseball Prospectus and the #7 prospect in Baseball by MLB.com.

Law: "Seager has MVP-type upside at third base. Kyle Seager is already a top-20 player, but even as good as he is, brother Corey has the potential to be much better."

mlb.com: "Seager has a smooth, balanced lefty swing as well as bat speed, strength and a mature all-fields approach. Scouts say that Seager is a more advanced hitter and shows more pop than his older brother Kyle, now an All-Star with the Mariners, showed at the same stage of his career."

Corey is still listed at SS, but scouts consistently say he is probably too big to play SS in the majors. He may be initially called up as a SS, but his most likely position is 3b. With both Rollins and Uribe on the final years of their contract, ALL signs point to Seager as a favorite for one of those positions in 2016, with a mid-season callup post-ASB likely.

Miguel Sano, 3b, MIN:

Law ranks Sano 15th, BP ranks him #12 while MLB has him 11th.

Law: "Sano has grade-80 raw power, with the potential to hit 30-35 homers a year in the majors, generating that output with a rotational swing that makes good use of his hips and legs."

mlb: "Sano has nearly as much power as anyone in the Minor Leagues, with the potential for his 2013 output to become an annual occurrence. His strong strike zone knowledge allows him to get pitches to drive regularly, making his raw pop translate consistently in games. With his plus power comes a good amount of strikeouts, but he's shown an ability to hit for decent average."

Sano shows greater pitch recognition and on-base ability than most with his power. He lost 2014 to tommy john, but that is not expected to harm his hitting. An easy bet for 30+ HR from third base as the Twins' cleanup hitter for a decade. His ETA is also as a mid-season, post-ASB call up for good in 2015.

Jorge Alfaro, C, TEX:

Law ranks him 35th while BP ranks him 31st and Mlb ranks him 45th. Law: "Alfaro has 80 raw power, with an 80 arm behind the plate, and he has the hands and athleticism to be an above-average receiver as well, with the bat speed to hit for a high average. He has All-Star upside behind the plate, because he should hit 20-25 homers with a solid average"

mlb: "He has the best combination of raw power and pure arm strength among Minor League catchers, though he's still polishing those tools and the other aspects of his game."

Alfaro has huge upside. He is superbly athletic, but the knock on him is he needs to turn those athletic gifts into refinement behind the dish.

--------------------------------------------

It is time for me to leverage these highly valued assets into 2015 immediate value. What I am seeking in return is a trade AFTER our 9 keepers are final. I like my 9 keepers and I don't really have the room for more. Ultimately this would be before the Supplemental Draft (so I can concentrate picks on what I really need), but it can also be done in-season if I don't get what I need earlier.

The players I might target in return don't necessarily have to be young stars. Older players with less keeper value long term, but with 1 or 2 more years of strong current value would be valued by me. Examples of this nature might be players like Brian McCann and Cliff Lee. Solid players towards the tail ends of their careers with another couple good years left. I use them as examples because Judy and I don't really match up (and trust me I already inquired), given that she has Russell and Franco on her prospect list already.

So, whereas historically I am holding onto players of this ilk like I'd hold onto my last breath, at this point I am looking to turn them into highly valuable 2015 assets to give bh a run for his money and take my title back!

121

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 09:58

Question re 116 -- This isn't particularly about this trade, but what will happen if a trade contains a vague or ambiguous term, and the parties disagree whether it applies. Do the commisioners rule? I guess they would have to?

122

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 11:15

121: Let me just say now that everything needs to be defined with stats, dates and clear definitions. Tosh and bh's trade was very good that way. Slizz and Judy clarified theirs afterwards. I won't allow for trades with ambiguous terms.

123

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 11:21

93:Guilty as charged! Follow up email sent!

124

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 15:04

Looks like the site is back up!

125

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 15:07

Proposal to the league. Starting in 2016, the prospect keeper and regular keeper deadlines are on the same day, at the same time.

126

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 15:09

I would second that.

Why do we have separate dates for the keeper deadlines?

127

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 16:40

125/126 - keep in mind we only moved the P-draft to March in either 2013 or 2014 (too lazy to look it up on my phone). So this was made up on the fly.

If I recall correctly, part of the thought was to force teams to designate if they were keeping prospect-eligible players in their 9 keepers. Having the prospect keeper deadline after the regular keeper deadline gave teams time to consider their keeper strategy with the help of knowing who was kept. When prospect-eligible players are kept (Oscar Taveras (RIP) being a prime example recently) it undoubtedly has an effect on who I might keep because the available player pool changes.

This year there are a huge number of P-Draft eligible players who could be kept, including Norris, Owens, Castillo, Pompey, Stephenson and others.

How does having them separate adversely effect things? Every team has the same chance to adjust their prospects to best maximize both their current year rosters while taking the future of their Prospect list into account.

128

Species
ID: 51291022
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 23:29

Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 30.16 Kyle Crick, P, SF;
bmd: 30.09 Joc Pederson, OF, LAD; 31.05 DJ Peterson, 3b, SEA; 32.02 Josmil Pinto, C, MIN (1)
Blue Hen: 30.18 Joey Gallo, 3b, TEX; 31.09 Colin Moran, 3b, HOU;
Darkside: 30.08 Matt Davidson, 3b, CHW; 31.04 Alexander Guerrero, 2b, LAD; 32.01 Erik Johnson, P, CHW
GoatLocker: 22.03 Zach Lee,P,LAD; 31.06 Austin Hedges, C, SD
Great One: 24.10 Taijuan Walker,SP,SEA (2); 27.03 Javier Baez, SS, CHC (1); 31.02 Alex Meyer, P, MIN; 31.11 Mookie Betts, 2b, BOS;
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Jaydog: 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT
Judy: 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK; 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,CHC; 31.04 Mikael Franco, 3b, PHI
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT; 27.05 Jorge Soler, OF, CHC 30.02 Gregory Polanco, OF, PIT (1)
Nerfherders: 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT; 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 30.01 Kris Bryant, 3b, CHC; 30.05 Jonathan Gray, P, COL; 31.03 Tyler Glasnow, P, PIT
Ref: 31.13 Garin Cecchini, 3b, BOS; 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD
R9: 30.13 Andrew Heaney, P, LAA (1)
Slizz: 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS
Species: 21.13 Miguel Sano,3b,MIN; 30.06 Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD; 31.01 Jorge Alfaro, C, TEX
Toral: 27.14 Delino DeShields Jr, 2b, HOU; 31.07 Kenta Maeda, P, JAP
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 30.11 Eddie Butler, P, COL
wg: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 30.20 Aaron Sanchez, P, TOR; 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI
youngroman: 28.03 Noah Snydergaard, SP, NYM;

129

Species
ID: 51291022
Tue, Feb 10, 2015, 23:41

Be sure to get your Jones/Lester and Carter/Ozuna trades in ESPN.

130

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 09:58

I missed 110:

"A point for discussion.....

Noting for the record there is nothing in our rules against it.....but how does the league feel about all of these trades with performance contingencies??"

The answer is "distinctly queasy". Some time when I have the time I'll try to find out what MLB's rules are for them.

131

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 10:09

Available for draft choice/prospect pick(s):

Howie Kendrick
Jose Quintana
Brett Lawrie

Quintana, Rotoworld says, may have the worst win-luck of anybody in the history of baseball! I suspect that's a little excessive...but he's a bargain for those who realize how luck-dependent wins are. Established consistent level of ability otherwise.

Lawrie has injury- and new park- concerns; but OTOH not long ago he was unavailable for any amount of draft choices. A guy who puts up a .953 OPS at 21 is a potential major star until he *proves* he's not.

132

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 18:20

Got this when I tried to accept avisail trade:

No moves allowed until player in ineligible slot is moved.

Closed out to me now...

133

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 18:23

Ok fixed it. Had to move gordon from SS to 2b. No longer eligible at 2b.

134

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Feb 11, 2015, 23:22

Once again, I'm shopping Adam LaRoche, who Rotowire ranks 54th, right between Victor Martinez and Carlos Gonzalez. LaRoche is moving from an extreme pitchers' park to an extreme hitters' park, and is primed for an awesome year.

Looking for s-picks or p-picks, or a package including Ortiz or others above, for a premium hitter.

135

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 11:59

No interest in Shields?

Moving from AL to NL, to perhaps the best pitchers park in the majors. He will definitely be kept if no takers. I'd like another hitter keeper to balance my team.

136

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 13:19

I do plan to upgrade a keeper or two, but I'm not really targeting anyone specific and in no big hurry to trade this early.

Once ST gets going and we're closer to the keeper deadline, I'll be ready to consider some moves, barring an offer that I can't refuse.

137

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 17:52

I know I have emails, I'm on business travel this week.
Hope to try to get to all of them tonite. Or the weekend after I get home.

138

Species
ID: 51291022
Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 22:59

Here is my proposed timeline (all times ET):

- Keepers due Wednesday March 11th Noon
- Prospect keepers due Thursday March 12th Noon
- Prospect draft clock starts Friday March 13th Noon
- Supplemental draft turned on Saturday March 14th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Monday March 16th

139

Species
ID: 51291022
Thu, Feb 12, 2015, 23:00

PS - I sent out a Draftime email.........but am realizing that, since all of the managers are the same and we just renewed the same league setup, that you do NOT have to log back in or otherwise join the new draft.

140

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 10:13

Those dates work for me, but aren't they a bit early?

Season start is April 5?

Just asking.

141

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 10:23

Times are fine with me. Want to put lotto times in there too?

142

GO
ID: 344132921
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 10:39

Alex Gordon to GO -- GO's 5th Rounder for Darkside's Last Round Pick

143

darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 11:00

Confirmed

144

darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 11:00

I'm fine with the draft time as well

145

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 11:08

140: We probably have more room to play with. The season starts a week later, so I put these dates forth accordingly. We finished the draft in 11 days last year. We do need time for administrative crap (re-entering the draft so we can put everyone on waivers).....

I am open to pushing that timetable out a few days.

146

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 11:17

[138] The dates are OK with me, but they do seem unnecessarily early. The season doesn't start until April 5. Last year, we were scrambling to beat a March 22 overseas early start.

Given the length of last year's supplemental draft, we'll be finished around March 25 - leaving a gap of 11 days until the start of the season.

147

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 13:14

Ok. How about this:

- Supplemental Draft Lottery March 13
- Keepers due March 16th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 17th, Noon
- Prospect Draft Lottery March 17th after Noon
- Prospect Draft March 18th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 21st, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 23rd, 9am

148

GO
ID: 344132921
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 14:12

GO Fringe Keepers for sale or trade
Wilin Rosario
Mike Fiers
Anibal Sanchez
Matt Moore

149

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 16:25

147 works for me.

150

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 19:46

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

GO gives up Ryan Zimmerman, Anibal Sanchez and his 6.1 draft Pick.

GL gives up Ryan Sandoval, Seth Smith and his 6.10 draft Pick.

151

GO
ID: 2911382222
Sat, Feb 14, 2015, 19:55

Confirmed

152

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 16, 2015, 14:20

Anyone desperate enough for Lee or Byrd? Cheap draft swap.
Also have Cosart.

153

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Feb 17, 2015, 09:31

Looks like I have 4 closers. Obviously can't keep them all.

154

beastiemiked
ID: 11501819
Wed, Feb 18, 2015, 20:50

Verlander available for cheap. Sorry doesn't include phone pics.

155

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Feb 19, 2015, 10:02

Jaydog - sent you an email. Hope you're alright with all the snow up there.

156

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 19, 2015, 10:27

Jaydog's actually in the Caribbean this week. Unlikely to respond to your email until next week - assuming he can find his house under the snow.

157

Great One
ID: 113241019
Thu, Feb 19, 2015, 17:01

With Profar down... I've got GL's 6.10 pick for sale for your best leftover player. Just send a list of any guys you'd move for that 6th.

Pretty awesome he went over the prospect threshold by one game or else I could just sit another year. Just my luck.

158

R9
ID: 251511917
Thu, Feb 19, 2015, 18:51

Trade Announcement:

R9 sends his 2015 7th round pick to Pete his 2015 14th round pick and Matt Wieters.

159

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Thu, Feb 19, 2015, 19:11

Confirmed

160

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Feb 20, 2015, 16:02

Looking for another p pick or to trade up in the p draft. You know what I have to offer.

161

Species
ID: 51291022
Fri, Feb 20, 2015, 18:16

I am interested in another prospect pick.

162

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 23, 2015, 11:44

It is likely that Ben Zobrist will be jettisoned this year, and if so, is available for a pick - either supplemental or prospect.

He does have 2B,SS,OF eligibility this year, which makes him rather versatile.

Inquire within.

163

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 23, 2015, 15:34

From Species

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Species	GreatOne	Species	Species	darkside	GoatLocker	GreatOne
2	Pete N.	Pete N.	blue hen	Pete N.	Pete N.	Species	Pete N.
3	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Species	Tosh	Tosh
4	slizz	Judy	Judy	Slizz	Judy	Judy	Judy
5	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
6	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	GreatOne	Species
7	blue hen	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Species	Jaydog	Jaydog
8	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	Pete N.
10	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	R9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GreatOne	GoatLocker
11	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
12	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
13	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
14	Judy	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
15	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
16	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
17	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
18	Guru	Guru	Guru	blue hen	Guru	Guru	blue hen
19	Ref	Pete N.	Ref	Ref	mjd	Ref	Ref
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
2	Ref	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	R9
3	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
4	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Species
5	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	Judy
6	Tosh	Pete N.	Pete N.	Jaydog	Jaydog	GreatOne	GreatOne
7	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	WG
8	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	Ref
9	GoatLocker	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
10	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	slizz	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
11	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
12	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
13	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	GreatOne
14	slizz	slizz	GoatLocker	slizz	slizz	bmd	WG
15	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
16	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
17	slizz	Jaydog	WG	blue hen	WG	WG	WG
18	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
19	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
20	blue hen	blue hen	WG	Species	Judy	Guru	Guru

164

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Feb 23, 2015, 17:30

Folks, I am looking to move down in the s draft. I only have one pick after 9.20. I would like to offer up some of my earlier picks for other value. Here a few ways you might want to make an offer:

- A prospect pick.
- A 2016 draft pick. Don't forget about the time value of money.
- A player in trade, perhaps pairing the pick with David Ortiz, Shin Soo Choo, or Zach Britton for a top hitter.

165

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 23, 2015, 22:15

Do we have a separate thread for keepers and potential trade bait?

166

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Feb 23, 2015, 22:18

Also one for p draft info.
For example, I will renounce choice as my round 14 pick/10th keeper and thus have one p draft pick.

167

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 09:50

Judy, there will be a prospect keeper thread at the deadline. That's where you declare that you are keeping Franco and Russell, and using 10th keeper rights on Choice. You'll use 3.04 on Russell and 2.04 on Franco, leaving 1.14 (acquired from Slizz for 1.04) available to pick.

168

Species
ID: 42011619
Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 11:13

167: That is not the best explanation. It is a little bit backwards.

At the keeper deadline, you are awarded new prospect picks dependent upon the number of prospects you keep.

I explain the difference, because I don't want anyone to think that we have a rule that says you can keep prospects equal to the number of picks you own. That is not the case. There is no "offset" against your retained prospects with picks. In other words, just because someone owns other players' picks does not mean that pick can "offset" the use of a prospect spot for yourself.

Using blue hen as an example, he cannot "substitute" Guru's 3rd round pick to use to "retain" a prospect. Guru's pick has NO bearing on how many picks blue hen will be awarded at the keeper deadline. blue hen will announce his keepers, and will be awarded between zero and 3 prospect picks in our upcoming draft. Completely separate from that, Guru's (and Great One's) pick will be awarded to him due to their trades.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me or post here with questions. I want the prospect draft process to be used by all 20 managers in the manner that benefits their teams the best.

169

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 11:54

Just to make sure I have it right, please clarify this: if Judy wanted to keep Choice as a prospect, she wouldn't be able to, since her 1.04 pick is not in her possession. Correct?

170

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 16:25

Yes. Anyone who has traded a prospect pick MUST get down below three to have a prospect pick to satisfy their trade.

The call up and renounce move will often satisfy that.

171

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 15:18

I have a prospect pick at 1.14...I will renounce choice to 10th keeper and make a prospect pick in the first round...if I kept choice, I would have no picks.

172

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 28, 2015, 23:27

Weird that the supp lotto is before supp keepers, but the prospect lotto is after prospect keepers. Philosophically, how do we feel about that timing, and what's the ideal order for each of you? I think we're set for this year, but something we should probably talk about in advance of next year.

173

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Mar 01, 2015, 01:58

172: Not weird.

We do the Prospect Lottery after Prospect Keepers because we have to know who has been assigned picks (and thus have a pick in the first place) to even be assigned a spot in the lottery in the first place.

174

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 01, 2015, 07:45

It actually seems to me that it would make more sense to run the prospect lottery before keepers are settled.

If I would normally have a late pick in the prospect draft, I might opt to hang on and keep my third prospect. But if I were to win the lottery and get the first pick, I might be more inclined to maneuver.

When deciding whether or not to renounce a keeper, shouldn't I actually know what my pick # would be?

175

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Mar 01, 2015, 15:11

174: The analogy I have used in explaining the setting of the lottery after keepers was to compare it to your local lottery. We would all love to be able to claim a $100 million prize by saying our numbers hit after the fact. It doesn't work that way.....you have to buy a ticket and take your chances in advance.

The issue is different for the Supplemental draft.....every team already is guaranteed a pick. Our unique rules to limit total prospects to 60 means, obviously, that not every team will get a pick. I see no reason to include teams in the lottery that don't have a pick.

I realize it can change the value of our picks. I have been on the wrong end of this on multiple occasions: I won a lottery but had already traded the pick to slizz and he got Jose Fernandez. Last year, I traded for Guru's #4 slot, only to fall to 6th. It happens, and is part of the risk you take.

177

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 01, 2015, 17:06

So Slizz and Judy are both out of the lottery because they don't own their first rounders?

178

Species
ID: 51291022
Sun, Mar 01, 2015, 17:36

177: No.

Everything happens in a linear fashion:

FIRST - Keepers are declared
SECOND - Picks are assigned (Judy and slizz - along with others who traded a pick - must each be under 3 prospects to have a pick and satisfy their trade)
THIRD - Teams that finished from 6th through 20th in the regular season AND have a first round prospect pick are included in the lottery, which is then completed.
FOURTH - The trades affecting prospect picks are transacted.

Any questions??

179

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 09:37

Just trying to make sure there's no room for debate - you're a good man for handling all this. Hope you finish 2nd.

180

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 11:17

I have quite a bounty of high picks in the Supplemental Draft. Teams looking to move up should contact me. I am looking at two scenarios :

1) Pick for pick, with me receiving 2016 picks.
2) Pick (s) for players. Saves and speed most preferred.

Not unlike what you see in the NFL, my general rule-of-thumb is a one round premium to move back a year. Want a 2015 3rd for a 7th? Be ready to pay a 2016 2nd for a 7th back.

181

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 11:59

I have always done and continue to believe that the lottery isn't some "Gotcha!" but something we run once we have the info and everyone is paying attn. I don't see the value in waiting. It can change your entire strategy if you win the lottery and your pick goes from 14th to top 3.

We run the lottery as if everyone has a pick and then remove picks that they forfeit.

Semantics: Renounce means you no longer have the rights to that prospect. Call-up means that the player is on your roster. Then if you renounce him he is no longer a prospect. Do it in that order if you want the player but want to create a spot for a prospect pick.

182

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 12:59

Ref - I agree with your assessment.

Is the timing of the prospect lottery solely subject to commissioner discretion, or is this something that the league could vote on? Thus far, I've seen Species defend his position, while at least 3 have expressed a different opinion. Maybe the other 16 don't care, or are just too confused about it.

(Admittedly, it doesn't impact me this year as I didn't finish in lottery position last year. But I still think running the lottery before other preseason prospect actions are done is the better approach.

183

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 13:54

182: My attitude will always be: This is OUR league....all 20 of us....and whatever the majority of us want to do is what we should do. No ruling by the Commissioner is above a league vote.

When I commish leagues, there are times you are called upon to make a ruling on something. When we voted to move the P-Draft to March, there was no definition of the lottery timing....so I made a ruling which I felt was best for the league.

If someone wishes to champion a rule change vote, please do. We usually put it out for discussion first as a litmus test for support. An outline for this should be:

1) Define your rule proposal, including proposed language. Provide your argument as to why we should adopt it.
2) Members can debate it's merit, along with asking clarifying questions so (if approved) we adopt a rule that has the least chance for unintentional loopholes.
3) If there is enough support, we put it to a vote.

3 is important. I have championed a rule or two that did not receive enough support (IMO), so I did not push for a vote. It is up to the champion of the proposal to engender enough discussion/support. This could require multiple emails to less vocal teams.

184

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 14:07

I am finally switching into baseball mode.
looking at my team I see that some of my players may be of value to others. here are some players I can offer. number in parenthesis is projection rank at ESPN split by hitter/pitcher. I guess at a split of 120 hitters and 60 pitchers, there are some just outside of being a potential keeper.

1B: Mike Napoli (#161), Billy Butler (#138). Do you believe Napoli can stay healthy or Butler will hit 20 HR's again?
SS: Alcides Escobar (#119). Do you believe that he can repeat his 2014 season? incl all those SB's.
OF: Nick Markakis (#164), Khris Davis (#151). interested in a good OBP or 20 HR's?
SP: Hisashi Iwakuma (#38), Collin McHugh (#69). do you need a starter? will Iwakuma pitch like his career numbers (1.09 WHIP, 3.07 ERA)? will McHugh be as good as last season where he had a 1.02 WHIP, 2.73 ERA and over a K per IP ? most likely not. can he come close?

as it looks right now I can only keep 1 of them. I am open to anything that involves 1 or more of these players.

regarding prospect lottery - I have no strong feelings in either direction. the more I think about it, the more I believe that you first need to buy your lottery ticket by freeing up prospect slots. If you have 3 solid prospects that you are comfortable with and the odds that you will have a late pick in the first round you may hold onto your 3. If you later get lucky and get the first pick you should not be allowed to switch strategy and dump (or call up) one of the 3 prospects to get an even better prospect.

185

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 16:41

I support Species and Ref. The order we have accepted was agreed after excruciating debate when the p-draft rules were last changed,
for good reason, and it is always disappointing to me when long-time members act like they weren't there at the time, and have no idea why the rules were adopted as they were.

186

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 17:10

Note: I don't feel strongly about timing of lottos. #172 was just calling it "weird." And it is weird. But so are a lot of things in life.

187

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 18:40

185: Ref and I actually disagree. Ref believes everyone should know the lottery results before keepers.

188

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 21:53

177. No, slizz and I just swapped first round picks.

181. So I call up choice as a 10th keeper and then renounce him as a prospect?

189

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 21:58

Could we please put up the keeper thread. I know who my guys are and need to check off that "to do" item.

Thanks.

190

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Mar 02, 2015, 22:18

Judy - keeper thread created! Dayum....just realized that is ONLY 2 weeks away.

On Choice, YES, you may call him up to your roster after your 9 keepers, and renounce your rights to him as a prospect. Choice becomes a "10th keeper" so to speak, and you will have your 1st round prospect pick.

191

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 13:01

Species, as far as supplemental goes, we ALWAYS knew lottery before keepers. Same goes for prospects when it was at the all star break. We simply didn't have the lead time we'd have liked due to in-season standing to determine the order and lottery.

So, we never had a VOTE to change the lottery before keepers in either draft. As I have said before, it really doesn't affect me as I have missed the top 6 only once and never since it was changed. However, I think it affects the league with a needless disadvantage to those managers in the lottery. These managers could have a chance to make a trade or figure out a strategy based on what they have instead of surprise that is too late to make a change in what they have committed.

The NBA get their draft lottery during the playoffs of the previous season. They don't get it the day before Draft Day. The Keepers are the most important part of the draft. Teams should be able to have all the information before Keepers are due that may help them in making their Keeper decisions or even trading BEFORE Keepers are set.

192

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 13:23

Not a question of what we HAVE DONE, but what we SHOULD DO.

I thought it was weird that supp lotto happened before supp keepers while prospect lotto happened after prospect keepers. But Species says there is a reason, and while I don't entirely understand the reasoning, that's good enough for me not to clamor for a vote.

Does anybody actually feel strongly that the schedule (for 2016 by now, I'd say) should be in a different order than what we have now?

193

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 13:36

192: I am ok with the order. It gives people up to 3 extra keepers basically at the cost of their last 3 draft picks and gives them more prospects. It's really no different than what people we able to do previously when the Pdraft was at the ASB.

My only question is why was the lottery changed until after the Keepers were announced. It takes the strategy of before keepers out of the mix. It helps those who want to trade post Keepers (Those who have enough/too many Keepers now) and really hurts those who would benefit by trading pre-keepers or those who might want to drop a hitter but who can draft him right back,etc. By all accounts it was changed in order to have a lottery ticket purchased but not know the results until after you have committed. That seems so backwards. Again, we had never done it that way previously.

194

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 19:33

When did we change the lottery to after keepers?

And why?

195

Beastiemiked
ID: 3221438
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 22:16

I like that it's after. Who actually has 3 prospects that would be picked in the top 14 and are so far away they couldn't be called up to your regular roster?

196

Species
ID: 6031912
Tue, Mar 03, 2015, 23:41

194: When we changed the P-Draft to March instead of the ASB (I am thinking before the 2013 season), there was nothing in the rules about the timing of the lottery. I, as Commissioner, made a ruling in what I felt was in the best interests of the league.

Why -- see post 175

197

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 00:05

So why was it changed without input or a vote?

So why haven't the supp draft lottery ran already at least? That hasn't changed.

198

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 09:47

Ref, are you saying you have a strong desire to move the p-draft date? I support Species in not putting it up for a vote, since no one said anything until now. And that's why I brought it up in the first place, to see if there was support to move it (starting next year).

Do you support moving it? I can't tell from your post.

199

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 10:46

198: No, I don't support moving it. It is fine. I really like Species. Him and I have a huge mutual respect for each other. I simply disagree with him changing the lottery to the last minute (or after renounce date for Prospects) when we as a league had never done that before he took over when we moved the pdraft to the preseason. If more people would be paying attn., (esp. those who are eligible for the lottery who aren't sold on their 9 keepers or who could get better) they would see what this change does to them. I brought this up last season as well when it was changed.

200

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 10:55

175: For prospects we have always done the lottery as if everyone was in and then simply removed forfeited picks. Can't change the lottery to 14 teams instead of 20 if there are 6 teams who can't participate.

Also since there are strong odds that the top 3 picks will actually pick at the top (guaranteed not to fall more than 3 places) the only crazy thing is if one of the bottom picks move into the top 3--which rarely happens. I would think you'd rather have the admin stuff done sooner and teams could start planning their first round draft so it wouldn't take as long. ;)

201

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 11:03

I told you guyz it was a mistake to move the prospect draft from where it belongs, in mid-season, at the All-Star break, but you didn't listen. Now we have been cursed appropriately, with a future of perpetual inconclusive fighting.

202

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 11:05

As far as my team goes, I have it narrowed to 11 or 12 potential keepers. I have FOUR closers right now. Obviously, I will not be keeping all of them. I'd like to keep no more than two, but it's going to be a tough call. I can also do a multi-player deal with a hitter or two if we can figure something else out.

I am looking for steals and possibly HRs. As far as positions, I can use 3B. I could be flexible. Just depends on what people have in mind. Three people have talked about a deal with me after Keepers are made if I can keep my closers, but that's not going to be possible. Why not upgrade your Keepers and save your first round pick for a lower pick?

203

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 11:43

The best post in this thread is Toral 201. Cursed, indeed.

Doesn't sound like there's much motivation to move the dates, so I suggest we leave them in a similar order for next year. I'd be happy doing the lotto on March 1, but not going to push for that unless someone else leads the charge. Maybe we should ditch the lotto altogether- removes some of the dumb luck.

204

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 14:15

In spite of general apathy on the topic, I’d like to propose the following rule change to be effective for the 2016 G20 baseball season.

Proposal: The lotteries for both the prospect draft and the supplemental draft shall each be conducted within 30 days of the end of the previous regular season. (i.e, the 2016 lotteries would each be conducted in October 2015)

Rationale:
1. Everything that needs to be known to run the lottery is fully known as soon as the prior regular season ends. There is nothing to be gained by waiting, other than uncertainty.
2. Early elimination of this uncertainty may facilitate off-season trading, as all managers will know exactly what picks they have available to use or trade.
3. Early elimination of this uncertainty should assist all managers by providing much more time for evaluation of their keeper and prospect strategies for the coming season.
4. There is no advantage to be gained by waiting, other than to increase uncertainty.
5. This also permits the prospect lottery to be run using the full, properly calibrated set of selection probabilities. When these odds are applied to a field of less than 14 teams, anomalies may result in the relative odds of the remaining teams. Admittedly, this could also be resolved by including all teams in a “post-keeper” prospect lottery (in which case, a team awarded a top pick would still “receive” that pick, even though it would then be forfeited.) But if all 14 teams are still to be included in the prospect lottery, then what is gained by waiting?

205

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 15:17

Vote: No

1. The lotteries, like spring training, are a desirable psychological part of the process of getting ready for the baseball season.

2. "Elimination of uncertainty" is an important goal only in totalitarian political regimes.

206

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Mar 04, 2015, 16:02

I definitely like it being done at least early in the preseason, say by the end of February. I also would prefer to have it before keepers are declared, as it helps those in the 9th-14th spots decide if their current prospects are better or worse than what they can get in the draft. Whether that is in February or October, it doesn't really matter. I do understand that most managers aren't in baseball mode in October though - either celebrating or have forgotten about it for a month, and are well into football and/or drafting basketball.

207

R9
ID: 1024749
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 12:00

I don't feel strongly about it one way or the other, but I like Guru's proposal. Ideally, you should be able to have an opportunity to evaluate the value of all your pieces going into the off-season, including draft picks.

So, I'd vote: Yes

208

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 13:11

I am fine with 204 and 206. 206 is how we had always done it before. My only issue was there was no reason to change how we had always done it in the past and I don't get the "changing it in the best interest of the league" argument at all. We didn't have a vote to change the status quo, so why now, with all the apathy on the subject, would we have one to change it back to how it was?

I suggest we have the lotteries run right now and get them over with.

201: Amen. I have spent dozens and dozens of hours on the implementation of the prospects and the tweaking of those rules over the course of this league the past dozen years. The league is still split almost down the middle on every prospect decision we've had.

209

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 14:05

204, I vote yes. But I'd feel better with mid-Feb than mid-October.

210

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 14:51

[209] I thought about suggesting a March 1 deadline, but I couldn't think of anything to be gained by waiting - other than perhaps by using the lottery as a catalyst to wait people up.

[205, item 2] ...for totalitarian regimes and professional sports leagues (who also run their lotteries well in advance), although I realize the latter may be part and parcel of the former.

211

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 15:53

208: Ref......what aspect of my reasoning and rationale am I not explaining?? Ich spreche Deutsch? Parlais Francais? Am I not seriously not speaking in English???

1) When we moved the draft, there was no rule put in place for when the lottery would take place.
2) You retired as Commissioner, so handling this fell to me.
3) In the absence of a rule to define when the lottery would take place, I, and I alone, implemented the timing of the lottery. That is what Commissioners do.....interpret rules when the rules are not concrete. I did so for the same reason I have explained ad nauseum. What aspect of that decision am I communicating poorly?????????????

I understand that I chose to process this in a different manner than you did, but I really resent your implying -- going on at least the third time now -- that I somehow circumvented the rules in applying the decision I made. There was no definition within the rule. Don't blame me for that.....I didn't champion the change.

I run the leagues differently than you do. For example, I am a bit more lenient (mostly due to laziness, tbh!) on the cumulative clock for our drafts than you are. I tend to wait until a manager is really abusing the clock and is a consistent pest before assigning penalties (after a warning). That is probably not the right way to do it, but that's what I do. I have often reached out to you in order to ask how we would handle a situation historically (which I did not do in this case). I value that input....but don't repeatedly question my integrity because I didn't apply something the same way you did.

In hindsight, I guess I should have ASKED the league their preference. However, as is evident by the response to this vote (and a general lack of voice by a number of teams overall), getting feedback from owners (outside of a core group) tends to be difficult. So, I implemented what I thought was best and moved the process along, which is my duty.

212

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 16:06

211: In what aspect of moving the prospect draft suddenly changed the lottery draw for the sdraft?

My whole thing is that your change is placing an unnecessary burden on those whom it affects.

I am not saying you have cheated. You don't need to do things the same way I do. All I am saying is that we have always done it a certain way and you made a change without any consultation to the league whatsoever. Now to change it back you want a vote to do it. Hopefully you see where we are coming from. Assuming you will vote no, there are at least 5 of the 7 people who have piped up who would vote to change it back. Oh and get your French right before trying to make a point! ;)

213

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 16:32

______ was the better G20 commissioner. I'll let you guys fill in the blank.

However, I won't allow Ref to say "change is placing an unnecessary burden on those whom it affects." That's just not true, as evidenced by the fact that no one said a word for a LOONG time, and even now, most people are apathetic.

Species clearly handled this properly, and if we want to change or do change it now, that's a different matter.

214

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 16:54

212: I didn't change the timing of the s-draft lottery. It is still done before keepers.

That said, I have paid no attention as to how far in advance before keepers we have done the lottery in the past. I just put a random date in my proposed timeline just so we had it down somewhere.

We can run the s-draft lottery today if we want.

215

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 17:15

I vote yes

216

darkside
ID: 81492120
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 17:20

I definitely fall into the apathetic group. I just don't care enough to do anything. Guru's post makes sense to me. I'd vote yes. I'd probably also vote yes to an equally well-written rule that suggested a totally different approach. At the end of the day, it probably has to do with my lack of interest in trading my picks.

217

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 05, 2015, 23:36

214: Then let's get it done. See, you weren't speaking the same language as me. LOL! This can have a big impact on who in the lottery decide to keep. To be honest I was more concerned about the sdraft than the pdraft. The Pdraft though needs the 14 "balls" in it to keep the proper odds. Even if you run it after the fact, it's still running the 14 balls and doing the draft and deleting picks who aren't there.

204: Proposal has 7 yes votes now without even having a formal vote taken.

218

Species
ID: 6031912
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 09:51

LOL.........yeah, this looks like Mandarin to me:
----------------------
147 Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 13, 2015, 13:14 Ok. How about this:

- Supplemental Draft Lottery March 13
- Keepers due March 16th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 17th, Noon
- Prospect Draft Lottery March 17th after Noon
- Prospect Draft March 18th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 21st, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 23rd, 9a
---------------

Glad it can be straightened out.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming:

I am interested in prospect picks.
I am interested in trading down in the draft
I am interested in trading a prospect for 2015 assets post-keepers

219

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 16:28

Why are we waiting on the sdraft? You have people working on their keepers and their draft and they have no idea where they pick in sdraft. Guru, nerf and myself and maybe others have talked about it and you even said we could do it right now. Then you again bold waiting for another week right before keepers are due. What is the holdup? Je ne sais pas.

220

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 17:41

Species was just reposting the timeline from before that we all agreed on.

If we want to do it sooner for 2015 (which would have my support), we should definitely put that up to a vote and would probably need more than a simple majority.

221

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 18:24

Merde!!

That post is weeks old and was in response to asking for feedback. Chillax!

Guru , please run the Supplemental Draft Lottery at your earliest convenience. The participants, in order of worst to 14th finish are:

GreatOne
Pete
Tosh
Judy
bmd
Species
Jaydog
mjd
R9
GoatLocker
youngroman
Nerfherders
darkside
slizz

The lottery is run before any regard for trades. Example: I own Great One's pick. His name is "in the hat" as the #1 "seed" in our lottery/having the most ping pong balls. We will apply the existing trades after the results of the lottery.

222

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 20:15

I also vote yes.
I like the really early knowledge of knowing all the pieces before working other things.

223

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 21:17

Spreadsheet with lotto ball number mappings is here:
http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Mar15-14x4_balls.xls

I'll generate random number draws momentarily, with audit copies to Species, Ref, youngroman, & Tosh.

224

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 21:22

First pick (1-2-8-10): Pete N.

Second pick (1-9-11-14): bmd

Third pick (2-24-11-12) :Judy

225

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 06, 2015, 22:26

Lol.....I vote for a re-draw!!!

226

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Mar 07, 2015, 09:11

Hope you like 3 slizz, sorry it wasn't 1.

As to the discussion, let's not be so nasty. It's just a game!

227

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 10:33

Folks, I'm looking to throw the kitchen sink out there in an attempt to upgrade David Ortiz.

You'll get some combination of Shin Soo Choo, Zach Britton, Adam LaRoche, and Jedd Gyorko plus Ortiz for the best player you can offer. You can keep all of those guys, or trade some and keep others. Just trying to upgrade my last keeper slot. I have a couple offers floating around of this ilk - want to open it up to the rest of the league.

Outfielder with speed is preferred. Let me know.

228

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 12:02

ONE WEEK until keepers are due!! We are so close.....

Vote update: Assuming Guru votes yes for his own proposal, there are seven confirmed yes votes. Nerfherders kinda sorta supported it, but didn't exactly cast a yes vote. If we assume that is a yes (please confirm), that makes 8. We need 11 for it to pass.

229

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 12:08

I'll officially vote yes

230

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 13:47

I vote yes

231

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 14:34

looks like I haven't voted yet.

voting yes for supplemental draft in October

voting no for prospect draft in October. I think that you need to declare that you are in the p-draft before the lottery takes place. the decision for this could be requested when you commit to returning as a manager sometime in February with the p-lottery done shortly afterwards. this should still give you 2-3 weeks to work out trades involving the exact p-draft picks.

reasoning: you have 3 prospects you intend to keep. during the lottery you get lucky and end up with the #1 pick instead of #10 or #20. you then trade away 1 of your prospects to gain an advantage (like a draft pick upgrade or keeper upgrade) and have room for the #1 pick you would not have had, had you not known the result of the lottery.

232

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 16:25

231: I interpret your post as an overall "No" for the proposal. The proposal is to change BOTH lotteries. If you do not favor changing both, IMO you do not support the proposal.

233

Beastiemiked
ID: 222499
Mon, Mar 09, 2015, 17:22

234

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 04:03

Vote - No.

Agree with rationale provided by youngroman

236

Species
ID: 6031912
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 09:51

The proposal does not allow for a split vote. It was worded as a proposal to change both. You vote yes to the whole proposal or you don't.

We've done multiple-part proposals many times. Guru can resubmit if he so desires.

237

GO
ID: 541392319
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 09:54

238

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 11:03

Also looking to deal Jose Peraza, Braves second baseman, who will pretty much be Jose Altuve when he comes up - he's only 20, ready for the majors, and has some 60 steal seasons in the minors. If you're rebuilding, I'd imagine this is exactly the kind of guy you want on your team.

239

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 11:45

It would be helpful to understand the NO votes better.

Is the issue that October is too early?
Is the issue that you think the p lottery should be run after prospect keepers are declared?
Or is there something else you don't like?

I'm just trying to assess whether it's worth reframing the proposal if it fails.

FWIW, I really don't know how to best run a prospect lottery when there are less than 14 participants in play. The lottery process and odds are predicated on 14 teams. If we persist in running it after prospect keepers are declared, then the most appropriate way to run it is as follows:

1. Leave all 14 teams in the lottery.
2. If a team without a pick is selected, then that lottery pick is just deemed to be a dead pick, but is not redrawn.

In the past several years, if team without a pick was drawn, I'd just repick until a live team is chosen. But I really don't think that's the most appropriate approach.

So, under my preferred approach, it's possible that no team will win the lottery - if all three lottery "winners" are team without picks.

Not sure this really requires a rule change or not - since the lottery mechanics are not specified in the league rules.

It might actually be best to eliminate the prospect lottery entirely.

240

Jaydog
ID: 272541010
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 11:54

I vote yes on the proposal.

241

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 12:36

For managers just coming into this thread, please see post 204 for the lottery proposal.

We have 9 confirmed Yes votes. Nerf as kind of a yes (needs confirmation). Need 11 yes votes to pass (i.e. majority of owners, not majority of votes).

I have a strong young 2b available in Rougned Odor . He just turned 21 in February and already has 114 major league games under his belt. Clubbed 9 hr and put up an impressive 48 rbi. He was on my prospect list, exceeded limits and was removed, but is technically still my property as all removed prospects are called up to their teams.

242

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 13:45

I think you should have a lottery ticket before being in the lottery. So I vote no.

Forfeiting a winning pick as described by Guru would be OK with me, but we're not voting on that.

243

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 13:55

I'd support the final sentence in 239. But not by much.

244

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 16:22

Yes for me.

245

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 19:09

Trade Announcement

Jaydog receives:
David Ortiz
Adam LaRoche
Shin Soo Choo
2015 p pick 1.20

Blue Hen receives:
Joey Votto
2015 p pick 1.07

246

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 19:39

Analysis: An interesting trade, one in which Bluehen gets the long-run keeper value and Jaydog appropriately supplements his keepers for this year.

The prospect exchange should have been the other way around: Bluehen *had* to find a way to get value for his extra keepers, while Jaydog could have gotten an alternative set of 3 keepers for Votto had he wanted to, and shown relative lack of preference among various sets of 3 keepers available to him,and could have ultimately set the terms the other way, no doubt gotten even more with enuf insistence. Extra keepers in this league are not exactly a dime a dozen, but are always a product in a buyer's market, as at least 15 out of 20 teams are always insistent they have "too many keepers". But in matters like this it is iron negotiating will that prevails, which is one of the reasons bluehen is so successful.

So, winner: Bluehen, based on my high regard for Votto's value in an OBP league. However not a *bad* trade for Jaydog.

247

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 19:51

I'm finally ready to give up on Dexter Fowler. If anyone is interested shoot me an email.

248

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 10, 2015, 23:16

Thanks for the analysis, Toral. I agree except for two points. First, Jaydog wasn't going to find 3 comparable keepers for Votto. Ortiz was, by far, the best 9th keeper in this league, and Choo and LaRoche were the number 1 and 2 leftovers, according to Rotowire. Unless you're rebuilding, those are exactly the guys you should want. Jaydog suggested he added something extra, and I was unlikely to accept without it.

Second, I don't negotiate with iron will. I negotiate with creativity and tenacity. That's why I've been able to trade Giancarlo Stanton, Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun, Matt Kemp, Chris Sale, and Max Scherzer, all at or near their peaks. It's also why I've been able to trade with almost every owner: I think Toral, Darkside, and Goatlocker are the only ones I haven't. More options means choosing better ones.

One last note: LaRoche (via Fielder) and Choo are both from the Stanton deal. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Pretty sure Pete's not complaining either.

249

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 03:45

Not wishing to turn this into an argument, but re Rotowire -- is this according to some list generated by our scoring system? Because Choo and LaRoche are not close to being the #2 and 3 now scheduled leftovers using the Rotowire 200. Of course the RW 200 is not composed according to our scoring system. I'm not subbing to Rorowire this year -- not worth it now that the Can dollar is worth forty cents or whatever -- so I don't know what their lists derived by alternative means might say. But I do have Rotoworld's draft kit, and they're not close to the #2 and 3 leftovers there either for one-year value under a list compiled according to our scoring system.

I won't get into names and discuss players who are no doubt still the subject of ongoing trade negotiations. But I will stand by my original point; and if you read closely you will note that I did not actually say that Jaydog could have gotten a set of 3 keepers as good, or even "comparable". But if I wanted to say that, "comparable" is a word of very elastic definition -- especially if you're a buyer in a buyer's market, negotiating terms.

250

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 11:12

No argument needed.

My statement was almost completely objective. I downloaded the Rotowire app on iTunes, entered our league settings, entered nine keepers for each team, and looked at the updated cheat sheet. LaRoche (54 overall) and Choo (60 overall) were literally the #2 and #3 players available. Ortiz is listed as #39 overall. After the trade, the third-best available player is Justin Morneau, #88 overall. So I don't think anyone was going to come up with something comparable.

To your other point, it's certainly reasonable that Jaydog didn't do exhaustive research in this case. But from what I hear, he had a few other offers for other players, and has talked to a few teams in the last few months. And from conversation, he had a clear goal to find better keepers than Brandon Phillips, etc, so it was a good fit. And quite frankly, his team is better today than it was yesterday, which should be the goal of every trade.

251

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 11:30

We seem to be misunderstanding each other. I will leave it as is, except to emphasize that I in no way criticized the quality of the players Jaydog got, suggested he should have done more research or be aiming at other players, etc.

252

Jaydog
ID: 3216916
Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 13:04

Joining the conversation late. I was clearly motivated to make a deal as my back end keepers were very weak. Can't argue that Votto isn't the best player in this deal, but it can't be lost that Votto's numbers have been in decline, and health has been a major issue in two of the past 3 seasons. One more injury plagued season from Votto and his value goes into the toilet. We're not talking about Rizzo or Goldschmidt here. While Votto is the best player in the deal, I think LaRoche could (at least in the next 1-2 years) cover most of his production, outside of OBP, and the upgrade of Ortiz/Choo over Hamilton and whoever my 9th keeper should be huge. I expect a bounceback from a healthy Choo to a near 400 OBP and 100+ runs. I would have preferred to not downgrade my prospect pick, but at the same point we know how skeptical prospect picks are, and I couldn't find another roster in g20 that could offer me the 1 for 3 upgrade that this deal presented.

253

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 11, 2015, 13:17

It really doesn't matter if they are the best FAs are not. What matters is that it improved JD's team. It doesn't matter if bh was stuck and needed to move a guy or not and got a sweetheart deal--it improves JD's team. So much apathy that people would rather waste their top picks then improve their keepers. I've done the research on this and when I needed to improve keepers, I have always done it. It makes too much sense.

Still, many would rather stand pat with subpar Keepers than give up anything as far as a pick. bh does all the legwork and show them that these players could improve their team. JD was smart enough to realize that he is right--it does immediately improve his team. How many draft picks are busts anyhow? I know I've swung and missed so many times. I am continually amazed at responses who say I know your guys are better but I can use my first rounder to get him. If he's not there I can find someone similar. Of course there is cost, but I'll take an improved keeper every time--especially as the price continues to fall.

From a personal standpoint, I am struggling this year more than I can remember. I studied every team and came up with 9 teams I thought could improve with one or more of my players. Of those 9, 3 responded that they are all set. 3 said they were interested. The other 3 didn't even respond. One of those three non responses I had a great idea for a big trade but didn't bother sending it as it would be a total waste of my time. So I have three managers from those emails plus another one who has contacted me. Part of the problem is that I can't decide which players I am keeping and am shuffling my feet. I know I have to make a decision soon and it may be not to do any deal if the picks are too far down as having some of them in the draft will help me too. Studying and talking to people has given me a great idea of the types of players people are going to be going after in the draft and that is starting to have an impact on the type of players I may keep now.

254

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 09:38

Also looking to deal closer Zach Britton for picks or prospect picks. Again, based on the rotowire method outlined above, Britton is the best closer currently slated to be in the supp draft. Willing to package Britton with Peraza or Gyorko if you have multiple needs.

255

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 11:43

[204] I believe these are the vote tallies so far:

Yes(10): blue hen, darkside, Goatlocker, Guru, Jaydog, mjd, Nerf, Pete N., R9, Ref

No(6): bmd, GO, slizz, Toral, Tosh, youngroman

Four managers have not voted:
allhair, Judy, Species, WG

258

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 12:30

Trade

Essentualy, keeper upgrades for a pick.

mjd traded Christian Bergman, Col RP to REF
mjd traded Darren O'Day, Bal RP to REF
REF traded Koji Uehara, Bos RP to mjd
REF traded Santiago Casilla, SF RP to mjd

Ref gets my 2nd and I get his 14th in this coming s-draft

260

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 12:32

Agreed 2.08 for 14.19.

261

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 12:34

Vote - No as referenced in 234.

262

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 12:45

255: I was going to abstain in mock protest.....but I will make it official and vote no.

Well done Ref.

263

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 12:55

Nice trade. Pretty perfect for Ref, as there was no chance he'd keep four closers. Getting anything for his closers was good, especially after I posted about Zach Britton this morning. He's still available!

Also good for MJD to fill his last two keeper slots. He'd been pretty clear that was his desire, and he and I had a bunch of conversations about those slots.

Two dings here:

1. he probably could have gotten those guys for less than a 2nd. Remember, Matt Wieters went for a 7th.

2. Probably not the two guys I would have chosen, given Uehara's age (but hard to argue with the performance) and Casilla's situation (would hardly surprise me to see Sergio Romo - available for a mid level pick - start the season as SF's closer).

So Ref wins, but it's not too bad for MJD, outside of the opportunity cost. He's probably better than he was yesterday. And he held onto the young guys, so that's even better.

264

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 13:24

Yeah, I agree, this trade helps both of us as I couldn't keep those two. I get back into the 2nd which I gave away stupidly in the Kinsler deal.

MJD has now upgraded his team greatly and when he adds Soler and Polanco to the mix after keepers are final, he is suddenly in the mix now. I know some are not high on Polanco, but I like him. We talked about some scenarios with more and better closers, but mjd didn't want to give up Polanco and I get it. I talked to BH and he said why would you give up so much for Polanco. My response is that I would have been able to keep a couple more players I will have to let go at keeper deadline.

This is also a great deal as I know for a fact that Slizz was taking Uehara at 1.03 if I didn't trade him to Slizz before Keeper deadline. So, if Casilla or another closer was there at 1.08, he would have to waste that pick on one there and still have Keepers who wouldn't even be gone by his 2nd round pick.

Slizz just emailed me his Rotowire projections after keepers and has mjd now at 3rd place. Now that's a big jump.

So I am down to 11 Should be Keepers. I had already taken those two out of my possible keepers so this hasn't helped me on that front. I could still entertain a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 etc. but don't see many willing or able to do that at this point.

265

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 13:55

Yes. End the hassle early. One less thing to be concerned with as deals are being made. Sorry for not voting earlier.

266

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 15:31

Nice trade, Ref. See, the trade masters always do it. A lot of it is explained by what bluehen called tenacity, I think.

Part of tenacity is that folks like Ref, as a trader, operate by a completely opposite principle to the one Ref espoused as the way to judge a trade in 253. There he opined that the only thing that matters is whether the trade improves your team. Bluehen said the same about the other side of his trade. Needless to say, that is not how Ref or Bluehen ever trades himself. Master traders ask themselves, not "does this deal improve my team?", but "have I squeezed every ounce of value out of these terms as I can?". Otherwise, as per bluehen in 263, there's no way you get a 2nd round pick for two closers at this stage in the game.

But we could all decide to be more tenacious if we really wanted. In addition, I believe there's an ineffable quality called salesmanship. Some people have it and some people don't. I'm sorry I don't. There's no formula do it as I can see, as master traders can display any attitude from hyper-aggression and arrogance to a mock humility which prefers to lie in the weeds. (When I praised Ref for his trading skills a few years ago he protested, seemingly angrily, and listed a bunch of trades that hadn't worked out well.)

It's fascinating to watch them work though, no matter how hard it makes it to win. Obviously long-term players in this league don't mind competition, and even being beaten by openly better players. Frustrating and infuriating as it may be, obviously like me, people like it much better than being in unstable leagues with indifferent or incompetent opponents.

While I'm here I should apologize to bluehen. After our discussion on values I went back and looked at the values of his players under Rotoworld and our scoring system. I had made a rudimentary sorting error. His estimates of the value of his keepers was higher than what I had implied, in the same range as he indicated.

Toral

267

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 16:14

No apology necessary. I have three players I am planning to keep who rate significantly lower than the guys I sent to Jaydog. We all value players differently, and trading is just arbitrage - increasing efficiency to get every manager the best set of players, in their own mind.

Maybe it's a skill. I mean, Wazaap Guy is the best manager in this league. But really, we're all just trying to get the players we value most.

268

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 17:44

Any speculative closer types will get picked early in the draft despite the fact that they might be worth a mid round pick to a contender later in the season.

Uehara wouldn't have lasted 5 picks.

Happens every year.

I'm hoping they can net me some saves to help put my team in a place to contend.

269

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 19:27

mjd, I did not and do not criticize your trade.

In your position I might have done the exact same thing.

270

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 20:47

Didn't take it as such.

Just giving my point of view.

271

Species
ID: 42011619
Thu, Mar 12, 2015, 21:03

The proposal in post 204 passes. I have added the appropriate language to the constitution. I did not specify that it starts at the end of this season......but that's how it will work.

272

GO
ID: 432341310
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 11:34

People should really try to post those leftover players. It can generate you an extra draft pick with little to no effort.

273

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 12:16

I'll let razzball.com do the work for me on Jedd Gyorko.

274

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 12:16

I'll let razzball.com do the work for me on Jedd Gyorko.

275

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 12:44

266: I am not sure how to take that soliloquy, lol. Just know there were others interested in my closers and there are offers to me right now for other guys I likely won't be keeping that I have rejected because they are too low. Believe it or not, there is some value to cutting players and throwing them back in the pool.

As far as being tenacious, that's really not me. I am still traveling quite a bit. I sent a form email to 9 people and I went back and forth to the 3 who responded as interested plus another who contacted me. It's not as difficult when you have extra players that people actually covet.

276

WG
ID: 552431321
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 14:11

Leftovers:
Yan Gomes
Gio Gonzalez
Phil Hughes

277

allhair allstars
ID: 110542222
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 23:26

Sorry guys - wildly late on this but I'm green light on #204. It's in the books already but I'm supportive of the new rule.

278

Species
ID: 582421322
Fri, Mar 13, 2015, 23:43

Trade Announcement

Species receives:

2.10
8.10
9.10

GoatLocker receives:

4.01
5.07
6.02

279

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 00:39

I am interested in a trade like that- let me know if you are too...

280

Ref
ID: 55156513
Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 12:26

278: Holy Crap!
279: No doubt!

281

beastiemiked
ID: 262131019
Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 12:29

Leftovers:
Justin Verlander
Dexter Fowler
Scott Kazmir

Also willing to deal Papelbon or Blackmon for a reasonable offer.

282

Ref
ID: 55156513
Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 12:39

Anyone interested in Matt Holliday? I just don't know but I feel I have to figure out a way to keep Leonys Martin. Can't really afford to lose Holliday either though. This stinks.

283

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Mar 14, 2015, 14:34

279/280: I know.....I have up a lot more rounds.....but had the pick depth to do it

284

WG
ID: 372551221
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 00:20

TRADE

GO gets
Gio Gonzalez
WG's last pick

WG gets
GO's 6th round pick

285

GO
ID: 432341310
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 09:11

Confirmed

287

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 10:34

Nice trade guys!

288

GO
ID: 541392319
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 11:28

NOTE - Guess I don't have my own 6th... but I had 2. So give WG the better one which I believe is Species 6.06.

I am similarly looking to sell GL's 6.10 pick I have if someone can upgrade or swap Wilin Rosario (I need SS and OF) or a better SP or RP than Fiers.

Rosario might be a nice get for a contender maximizing games since he'll be C eligible and playing 1B/OF/C -- AND very predictable split stats home/away and also vs LHP so you know when the platoon.

289

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 16:17

I suspect that, by rule, this has to be your 5th rounder. Not that I want to help out WG.

290

Ref
ID: 55156513
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 16:59

No, he has two picks in the 6th round. They just didn't say which one in their agreement. They are both HIS picks, just not originally his.

291

Species
ID: 6031912
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 17:07

I'm sure WG can read the draft grid and see what was meant in the discussions/offer. I would assume it is the highest of the 2.......so 6.06 to WG in that trade.

292

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 17:56

I have 6.01

293

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 17:57

And I agree to 278

294

Species
ID: 582421322
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 18:15

A reminder of our timeline (all times ET):

- Keepers due March 16th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 17th, Noon
- Prospect Draft Lottery March 17th after Noon
- Prospect Draft March 18th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 21st, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 23rd, 9am

295

Species
ID: 582421322
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 18:26

Prospect keepers at this time:

Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Allhair: 30.16 Kyle Crick, P, SF;
bmd: 31.05 DJ Peterson, 3b, SEA
Blue Hen: 30.18 Joey Gallo, 3b
Darkside: 31.04 Alexander Guerrero, 2b, LAD
GoatLocker: 31.06 Austin Hedges, C, SD
Great One: 31.02 Alex Meyer, P, MIN;
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Jaydog: 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT
Judy: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,CHC; 31.04 Mikael Franco, 3b, PHI
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel,P,PIT
Nerfherders: 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT; 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 30.05 Jonathan Gray, P, COL; 31.03 Tyler Glasnow, P, PIT
Ref: 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD
R9:
Slizz: 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS
Species: 21.13 Miguel Sano,3b,MIN; 30.06 Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD
Toral:
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL;
wg: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI
youngroman: 28.03 Noah Snydergaard, SP, NYM;

NOTE: I've updated the constitution, but the keepers are not final until the deadline. Anyone can update/change them up until Tuesday.

296

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 18:52

Appel is on HOU. Gallo is on TEX

297

WG
ID: 372551221
Sun, Mar 15, 2015, 18:54

If GO is ok with it then our trade can be for 6.06.

298

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 09:48

Looks like I'm jumping on the closer bandwagon, and keeping Zach Britton. That means Jake Odorizzi is available for a last-minute deal. Let me know if you are interested.

300

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 12:42

Supplemental draft grid (from Species)

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Pete N.	GreatOne	Species	GoatLocker	darkside	GoatLocker	GreatOne
2	bmd	Pete N.	blue hen	Pete N.	Pete N.	GoatLocker	Pete N.
3	slizz	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Species	Tosh	Tosh
4	Species	Judy	Judy	Slizz	Judy	Judy	Judy
5	Tosh	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
6	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	WG	Species
7	blue hen	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	GoatLocker	Jaydog	Jaydog
8	mjd	Ref	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	Pete N.
10	GoatLocker	Species	R9	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GreatOne	GoatLocker
11	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
12	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
13	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
14	Judy	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
15	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
16	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
17	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
18	Guru	Guru	Guru	blue hen	Guru	Guru	blue hen
19	Ref	Pete N.	Ref	Ref	mjd	Ref	Ref
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
2	Ref	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	R9
3	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
4	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Species
5	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	Judy
6	Tosh	Pete N.	Pete N.	Jaydog	Jaydog	GreatOne	GreatOne
7	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	WG
8	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	Ref
9	GoatLocker	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
10	Species	Species	GoatLocker	slizz	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
11	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
12	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
13	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	GreatOne
14	slizz	slizz	GoatLocker	slizz	slizz	bmd	WG
15	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
16	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
17	slizz	Jaydog	WG	blue hen	WG	WG	GreatOne
18	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
19	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	mjd
20	blue hen	blue hen	WG	Species	Judy	Guru	Guru

301

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 12:58

I didn't see a keeper post from Allhair until after noon, the deadline that has been in place for months. The only one I see has a "quick update," presumably removing his player who got injured this morning.

I can only think of a few scenarios where any of those things are acceptable in a fantasy league.

302

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 13:55

BH is right...we have known about this for months and that shows a lack of commitment to the other 19 owners.

I've got no problem that you're going to keep duda over wheeler in light of the UCL. I take issue with the fact you missed our deadline that has been posted for weeks now. Nobody is asking you to have the same level of commitment as BH, but have enough respect for the league to at least meet the minimum that is asked of you.

303

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 13:57

You had me at "BH is right."

304

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 13:57

Here is what we have:

- allhair missed the deadline. There is not much to excuse that, considering at ANY time any team can post a set of keepers and change them later.
- He posted a set of keepers after the deadline. I would allow that....in my view common sense and the intent/spirit of the rules need to be applied when Commissionering a league.
- allhair then compounds that by later deleting his original post and posting a corrected one.

Via Guru we know he took off Zack Wheeler and inserted Lucas Duda.

At this moment my strong inclination is to disallow this substitution of keepers because it was done post-deadline. My rationale is as follows:

- No other team may change keepers after the deadline -if DeGrom (who I have) was similarly injured at 12:01pm I am just a victim of bad luck.
- It is fair to presume the first set of keepers would have been the same set of keepers he might have posted a week ago.
- Assuming the above, if allhair was just too late to hear the news (despite an assist from blue hen an hour before the deadline in a post he subsequently deleted), that's on allhair for not being plugged in enough on the news and very bad luck.

I am seeking commentary before making it final. Barring a strong disagreement from many in the league, allhair's keepers will be adjusted to the first set he posted, which included Wheeler.

305

beastiemiked
ID: 262131019
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:06

I think they should be allowed. It's not like the news happened after the deadline and he didn't miss it by much.

306

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:10

If any other manager had kept Wheeler, posted it before noon, and then tried to adjust after noon, it certainly would have been disallowed.

But, of course, that's not what happened.

Arguably, since he did not post anything until after the deadline, then the rules are that his keepers will be chosen for him.

Now, suppose that he never posted anything - before or after noon. Would the keepers chosen for him have included Wheeler? Is there any precendent for how keepers are chosen with no post at all from the manager?

In any event, I have no strong feelings, and think this is where the Commish has to do what he thinks is appropriate.

307

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:13

Perhaps we need a stronger penalty for missing the deadline...

308

R9
ID: 35291519
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:18

I think this sucks either way. We don't want a precedent set that the deadline is 'ah whatever', and he did have weeks to post something. On the other hand, forcing a team to keep a now-obvious horrible keeper is just going to reduce his competitiveness this year.

I'm fine with whatever the commish decides, but my vote would be to allow the change in the interest of having the strongest competition possible.

309

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:26

306: No precedent for how "keepers will be chosen" that I am aware of. That said, some texts were flying about what to do and theorizing who would be chosen. If it actually came to having the keepers chosen, Wheeler would not have been on my list.

This sucks. I am pissed off to even be put in the position. I already get loosey-goosey with the rules in trying to use common sense/use the spirit of the league....but at some point you have to draw a line in the sand and say "the rules are the rules" (hence my call to the league for commentary ).

310

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:39

I agree with Guru in 306.

Here is how we had always done it when I ran the league and G24 which I still run with some help...

At the deadline I emailed them and tell them you missed the deadline, I am going to get input from a couple of people and from the board (if any) but I will be posting your keepers in a few mins. If you beat me then yours will stand. If not, my version will stand. Once there is a post, those will be final.

I have also replaced a manager before and then allowed the new manager to pick immediately his 9 right then.

It sucks that he would be keeping Wheeler, but GL is keeping Darvish too. I contacted both of them asking them if they were keeping their guys or they could use an upgraded keeper from me. GL said he is standing pat and AA said he didn't see my email until after he posted his keepers. I assume that is when he realized Wheeler was out and he changed it.

Based on our precedent I'd say he has to keep his first post. It sucks though. Like Guru and Species said no one else would be able to change them. This just puts us all in a box.

311

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:45

If I was making his keepers, I wouldn't have included Wheeler. But I wouldn't have included Darvish either and GL clearly did want him.

312

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:47

This is tough. As a keeper league commish I usually play loose with a deadline if a manager is late because I understand fantasy baseball is not a priority for most people. The only hitch is that he posted a lineup late, and then changed it. If he had never posted the first lineup, then I'd be okay with how it is now, but since he changed it after the deadline, that is a no go. It would be like any of us changing ours after the deadline.

Funny thing though - one of my managers intends to call up Wheeler for this season with the deadline today (but at midnight). I just sent him an email telling him he might not want to do that.

313

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 14:52

Guess I need to find out what happened to Wheeler...
Haha!

314

R9
ID: 35291519
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 15:08

Ahh, I didn't realize that he had posted a set of keepers, and then changed it mere minutes later, with both changes being after the deadline. I'm inclined to agree with Nerf, that's a no-go. I can excuse the 30 min late post if something came up at work (though I posted mine last night despite possibly trading for someone this morning, because I wasn't sure I'd be near my computer) but changing the already-late post well after the deadline seems like something we shouldn't allow.

What Ref said makes sense: I am going to get input from a couple of people and from the board (if any) but I will be posting your keepers in a few mins. If you beat me then yours will stand. If not, my version will stand. Once there is a post, those will be final. AA beat the commish's to the punch with his late keepers, so they can stand. But he can't change them after that fact imo.

315

beastiemiked
ID: 262131019
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 15:17

Wheeler was a fringe keeper before he got hurt. Him and Yu are not alike. Yes, it's a slight rule bend but we are all grown ups here. Nobody's team will be affected by AA not keeping Wheeler. For the sake of competition I don't think handicapping a team like that is good for the league especially when no other teams are affecte by it.

316

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 16:52

I'm afraid allhair is out of luck.

If you don't post on time, a number of things can occur.

The commish can pick for you and save you.

Or you can name keepers late, before the commish picks.

But pick late, and then change it, deleting the first post -- No.

Would have been better to post a revised set, not deleting the first set, and say, "sorry guys, I made a mistake". Might have been a close vote, then.

317

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 17:05

315: An expert said today the same thing as I've heard other experts say in the past. While TJ guys might be back in 15 months or so, it's usually 2 years before they return to form. I don't know about you, but keeping them this year and next year as one of your keepers is really expensive to me. If you want them bad enough, you could probably draft them or pick them up after the draft. Now if it happened during the season, then that might be different depending on who it is.

318

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 17:55

I'm OK with getting keepers in a little late, but not with changing them after the deadline.

I also posted early, even though I was still working on possible trades, just to comply with the deadline.

Had I or someone else who posted early tried to repost them, it would have been disallowed.

That said, I'm not for deciding on a penalty after the fact. Draft a rule, then enforce it next time.

319

beastiemiked
ID: 262131019
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 18:54

Ref, it's expensive but Yu is a top 5 pitcher when healthy. He's a perfect keeper for a rebuilding team. Not saying GL is rebuilding but he's definitely keeper worthy in this format.

320

R9
ID: 162371616
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 19:33

I don't see how keeping Yu now is any different from when Ref kept Strasburg and Wainright when they were out. :p

321

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 21:22

319: Yu Darvish is only 28. If it had happened after keepers then it's holding him all year but before keepers it's now holding all year this year and half of the next and really two years before he's Yu again and 30. I firmly believe in not cutting bait on a top pitcher like Fernandez or wainwright or strasburg,e tc. esp when they get hurt after keepers. But what really matters is that we all think and value players differently. We all have different strategies. Many are scared to death of older guys regardless. I am not. It's just go with whatever strategy you figure out and don't look back.

322

darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 21:24

320: I'm pretty sure Strasburg was still a prospect.

I believe the first post, since it was after the deadline, is the one that should be taken for keepers. I can see the 'make the team, and therefore league, as competitive as possible' argument. If there was a groundswell of support for that, I'd get on board.

Definitely a bummer for allhair, though

323

darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 21:25

...or maybe not if Ref didn't mention it...

324

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 21:45

No, I had to put both Stras and Wainright on my bench for the rest of the year. One of them was the one year my team was really bad. They came back the following year but it took awhile before they got back to where they were.

325

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 22:00

AA's Keepers still need to be marked on ESPN as they are all FAs right now.

326

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 22:07

Btw, most of you know I don't value prospects as much as others. With that in mind, I have two prospect picks I may be willing to move for the right offer. I'm looking to improve my team. Mid-range draft picks don't mean a lot to me normally as all of you I rejected probably realize.

If you truly value prospects, make a commensurate offer. I'm basically looking for the types of players I just had to cut.

327

Species
ID: 42011619
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 01:44

I have disallowed allhair's substitution of his original post of keepers.

Prospect keeper deadline Tuesday, Noon ET. Everyone has posted their keepers....but they can still be changed by the deadline.

Guru is armed and ready to run the Prospect Draft lottery after the keeper deadline.

328

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 02:07

I did a lot of thinking on Yu and fully understand the chances of hanging on to him. Just wasn't willing to drop him and hope I could draft him before somebody else did.
I've had lot's of interest over and over for him and made the decision I felt was the right one for me.

329

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 10:53

ANNOUNCEMENT: allhair is resigning from the league and is being replaced by Bean.

I reached out to allhair yesterday to discuss my perceptions of his attention/dedication to the league. My concerns are rooted deeper than missing one deadline, and I articulated this in detail with him. We have had multiple conversations regarding this during my years as Commissioner.

I will leave the details on the sideline. In the end, allhair decided that it was best to move on from the league. He was an OG, so we will miss him. Thank you allhair for your years of dedication to G20.

Bean has agreed to jump in. Bean has shown his mettle this year in G20 hoops, as well as dozens of RotoGuru leagues. He is a fine addition to our league.

One executive decision in the wake of this change. I am going to allow the substitution of Lucas Duda for Zack Wheeler. It was one thing to enforce a rule on a manager who missed a deadline and should have known better. It is another thing to handicap a new, incoming owner when taking over the franchise. That change will happen this morning sometime.

Bean has already reviewed the prospect list and will not retain Kyle Crick. This meets our Noon deadline today,so no issue there.

Please join me in welcoming Bean to G20 baseball.

330

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 11:28

Welcome Bean.

331

R9
ID: 26243172
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 11:57

Sorry to see AA go, but I understand the time crunch. Never enough time anymore!

Welcome Bean! I know nothing about you, I just hope you like to trade. :)

332

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 12:08

Prospect lottery results:

Pick 1: Great One
Pick 2: beastiemiked
Pick 3: Pete N

No redraws were needed.

(bmd climbs into the #2 spot from 5th position in both lotteries!)

333

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 12:39

Bean has been subbed in at Draftime.

Invite from ESPN has been sent.

334

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 13:01

322, 323: Man you might be right. I know Wainwright I held onto when I was really bad but only had to miss that one year and was ready from day 1 the following year. Can't remember if Stras was still a prospect when he went down.

328: I absolutely support your decision. I offered you an alternative should you have had a change of heart. I mean you are right, someone esp who can't compete this year, may have taken him in the 3rd or 4th round and you may have wanted to wait until later. I am generally in compete mode, but with that in mind, I inquired about getting Fernandez from Slizz last year when he was on the block after his injury. Personally, I probably would not have kept Yu as I am always in win-mode and he won't be the Yu of old for a couple seasons. He will be turning 31 that year too. This would be a boring game if we all thought alike. I absolutely disagree with a few players' strategies and decisions but several of my tactics and ideas over the years have totally flopped.

329: AA is one of the few people on here I have met and he is a great person. I totally get the time constraints that keeps us from playing this silly game at times. ;) Wishing AA all the best and thanks for contributing to our league since its inception.

Welcome Bean. I'm sure Species will get you up to speed quickly. Sounds like you are well on your way.

335

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 13:04

Wainwright was available for a 2nd round dc, I recall.

336

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 13:18

Woohoo!

Both of my #2 picks are available. Not going to negotiate on the prospect pick so send me your best offer. Just trying to streamline the process as we don't have much time before the draft.

I probably won't reply back on inquiries for the supplemental pick until after I pick in the pdraft(if I don't trade that pick away).

337

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 13:54

335: I wouldn't doubt it at all. Sounds like me. I hate waiting on players. That's one reason I dislike the prospect draft. There are more reasons though.
336: Awesome. Someone else who thinks like me when it comes to improving their team now at a cost of the future--even a possible lottery-winner prospect player.

I have prospect picks and draft picks available for your current players/draft picks.

338

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 14:36

So what is the final prospect draft order?
Thanks. Been busy with AA league..

339

Species
ID: 152521713
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 14:52

Judy - Guru has the draft grid already. If he would be so kind as to adjust for the lottery and post in the Prospect Draft thread, that would be great!

The clock for the Prospect Draft starts tomorrow at Noon. As has been our custom, any managers ready to make picks may choose to do so. However, managers can and should take all of the time they need to consider trades (bmd - post 336) and are under no obligation to pick before then.

340

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 15:14

1.01 is available. But I'm not planning to trade it, since there is a generational prospect in play here.

341

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 15:36

FYI - Bean has been scouting in Phoenix for Spring Training, and today is enduring a long drive home so will not be able to jump in today to introduce himself/leave his email. But he had time to review things and know what to prepare for in both the prospect and supplemental drafts.

For those that don't know him, he Commishes the Poli Board league (and is literally trying to administer their P-draft from the road) and has been in RIBC leagues. He has the time and capacity to devote to G20.

342

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 17:19

340: that is bluespeak for "Na Na Na Na Na, I have it and you don't!"

343

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Tue, Mar 17, 2015, 19:18

Welcome to the league Bean. Sorry to see aa go as he was one of the original members, but it's understandable.

344

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 10:21

I went ahead and picked early. Seemed like a no-brainer to me. Note that I have meetings from appx 12:30 to 2 today, so might be delayed at 1.07. Might not, just making all of you aware.

345

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 12:07

Thanks bmd, Pete and Tosh for declining my trade offers. I had a feeling I could get Peraza at 6, but with excess picks did not mind spending some capital to make 100% sure.

Some interesting picks already....

346

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 12:12

I am still interested in a prospect pick. My most available assets are supplemental pick upgrades.

347

Bean
ID: 14147911
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 13:30

Thanks for the warm welcome, I'm home now but will be leaving next Monday for the Sweet Sixteen in Cleveland that I have tickets for. My alma mater (Cleveland State) is the host. If the top seeds survive, should be some great games.

Two days on the road, but I am familiar with queuing in Draft Time, so I don't expect to be a problem there. I'll check my draft status every gas stop and morning/evening at the hotel.

I'm rushing to reconcile the prospect keepers, I should be ready with my pick when my turn comes up.

Thanks again for the invite.

348

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 14:29

Congrats to the guys who now own Pompey, Peraza, and Norris, and didn't offer anything for them in the offseason. Hope that works out well for you (except Species - hope it works out poorly for him).

349

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 15:13

FYI, Goatlocker times out at 3:48 ET - 35 minutes from now. Species told me to post that.

350

WG
ID: 552431321
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 16:16

Anyone picking prospects before me interested in trading down to 17th in exchange for a supplemental pick??

351

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 18:53

Sorry all, just one of those things of being on the road

352

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 22:29

What are the clock times?

When does it start tomorrow morning?

353

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 22:43

Clock is OFF from 11:00pm ET to 8:00am ET.

354

Species
ID: 152521713
Wed, Mar 18, 2015, 23:56

So...........I apologize to all of the people I stalked while inquiring about moving up, moving down or acquiring more picks. I always take no for an answer.......but I needed to ask!!!

355

Species
ID: 152521713
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 01:00

Ok......I fake-entered the "Draft Results" on ESPN. This allows the non-keepers to go through waivers (through Friday), so that way when our Supplemental Draft opens on Draftime Saturday, if anyone picks before the clock starts on Monday they can pick up their draft picks as Free Agents on ESPN. Some reminders there:

- I have placed all of the called up Prospects - i.e. Bryant, Polanco, Soler, etc - on their respective teams.
- I do NOT place the prospects on the prospect list onto their teams on ESPN. Instead, I have removed them from the pool in Draftime. Please pay attention - you may see a player in ESPN (i.e. Yasmany Tomas) that is on our prospect list, but he won't show up in Draftime.
- PLEASE PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN!!! We have all sucked ASS in recent years in picking up our own players in ESPN! This includes me at times as it always seems like I travel during our draft. Everyone has a damned smartphone......get the damned app and pick up your players!!!!! I cannot do it for you during the day and its unfair to Guru to try to do it all.
- PLEASE CHECK YOUR PICKS AND KEEPERS IN DRAFTIME once the draft is open. I make errors.
- Use your queues!

When our draft is finished in Draftime, some very generous soul (usually Tosh - pretty pretty pretty pretty please!) then has to wipe the league clean and re-enter the entire draft so we can restart waivers and be ready to go.

We'll review this again when the draft starts, but as a preview for Bean and a reminder to the rest, there are some of the details.

Please post or email with questions.

356

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 11:15

I doubt anyone has had Bean's email address to advise him he is up. I just did so.

For the record, you may reach Bean at:

beancline@comcast.net

He is in the Mountain time zone. I am giving him more time to realize he is up in the draft.

357

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 12:28

Back. Just as long as this time doesn't come off my clock. Let me know when it's Ok to pick.

358

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 13:00

I have texted Bean again and advised him he times out at 1:15pm ET (15 minutes from now). After that, fire away!

359

Ref
ID: 55156513
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 14:24

R9's last pick should have been 35.01 then bean gets skipped and Toral is up. Then Bean has to make them up. We always gave 3 hrs from the time he got skipped or end of draft whichever is first. Either way, we need to get Bean to make his two picks asap.

360

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 14:33

What Ref said. Bean gets skipped and Toral can make his pick.

That said, I am giving Bean plenty of time to get the picks in. Let's keep in mind he is coming into the league at the 11th hour and jumping into a 20-team draft with barely a day to prepare.

361

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 21:30

So when can we set queues?

362

Species
ID: 42011619
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 23:40

Our new prospect list!

Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Bean: 33.14 Yasmany Tomas, OF, ARI; 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 35.02 Raul Mondesi, SS, KC
bmd: 31.05 DJ Peterson, 3b, SEA; 33.02 Carlos Rodon, SP, CHW; 34.03 Matt Olson, 1b, OAK
Blue Hen: 30.18 Joey Gallo, 3b, TEX; 33.01 Yoan Moncada, 2b, BOS; 33.17 Rafael Devers, 3b, BOS; 34.12 Tyler Kolek, SP, MIA
Darkside: 31.04 Alexander Guerrero, 2b, LAD; 33.12 Steven Souza, OF, TB; 34.08 Jake Lamb, 3b, ARI
GoatLocker: 31.06 Austin Hedges, C, SD; 33.10 Brian Johnson, SP, BOS; 34.06 Hector Olivera, 2b, Cuba
Great One: 31.02 Alex Meyer, P, MIN; 34.01 Greg Bird, 1b, NYY
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; 25.06 Francisco Lindor,SS,CLE
Jaydog: 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT; 33.19 Dilson Herrera, 2b, NYM
Judy: 24.06 Addison Russell,SS,CHC; 31.04 Mikael Franco, 3b, PHI; 33.13 Robert Stephenson, SP, CIN
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel, SP, HOU; 33.08 Dalton Pompey, OF, TOR; 34.04 Jung-Ho Kang, INF, PIT
Nerfherders: 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT; 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 30.05 Jonathan Gray, P, COL; 31.03 Tyler Glasnow, P, PIT; 33.03 Hunter Harvey, SP, BAL
Ref: 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD; 33.18 Jesse Winker, OF, CIN; 34.11 Braden Shipley, SP, ARI
R9: 33.09 Henry Owens, SP, BOS; 34.05 Trea Turner, SS, WAS/SD; 35.01 Raisel Inglesias, SP, CIN
Slizz: 24.03 Carlos Correa,HOU,SS; 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS; 33.05 Aaron Judge, OF, NYY
Species: 21.13 Miguel Sano,3b,MIN; 30.06 Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD; 33.06 Jose Peraza, 2b, ATL
Toral: 33.15 Nomar Maraza, OF, TEX; 34.10 Alex Jackson, OF, SEA; 35.03 Josh "John" Bell, OF, PIT
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 33.04 Daniel Norris, SP, TOR; 34.02 Brandon Finnegan, SP, KC
wg: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI; 33.16 Blake Swihart, C, BOS
youngroman: 28.03 Noah Syndergaard, SP, NYM; 33.11 Michael Taylor, OF, WAS; 34.07 Luis Severino, SP, NYY

363

Species
ID: 42011619
Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 23:43

361: From our existing timeline:

- Supplemental Draft opens March 21st, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 23rd, 9am

I may cheat and do it Friday night.

I have entered all of the trades and just entered all of the keepers. I still need to remove the prospects from our prospect draft (but Draftime does a pretty good job keeping the pool clean of players not on the 25 man rosters).

364

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 06:45

Thanks for all this, Species. Schwarber is missing from my list.

365

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 08:20

Species, please cheat and open the draft so we can set queues. I will be out of touch most of sunday and would like to get going on them.
Thanks.

366

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 09:59

I'll give some brief analysis.

Extremely happy with my own picks. Moncada, as I said, was a no-brainer, but Schwarber was #3 on my list as well. My top tier was Moncada, Rodon, Schwarber, Mazara, Tomas, in that order. Kolek and Devers were both in tier 2, so I'm happy. Would like to have switched out one of the teenagers for someone closer to the majors, but it didn't work out that way.

Some pretty clear winners in this draft: Bean, Toral, Ref, and BMD. And plenty of credit to Darkside for sticking to a clear plan.

This was indeed the deepest draft we've ever seen. One guy from my Tier 2 didn't even get drafted, and five from Tier 3. In case you didn't know, I made 5 tiers, with 41 players total. Players drafted but not in my tiers: Lamb, Johnson, Iglesias. So look for those guys to dominate.

On to the REAL draft!

367

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 15:13

Per Judy's request, I have turned the draft on early. No one is under ANY obligation to pick between now and Monday. This is a good time for some self-auditing:

- Please check your keepers for accuracy ("All picks" link)
- Please check your draft picks for accuracy

I just made another sweep of our prospects and removed them from the list of eligible players in Draftime. But even from Tuesday to now some additional players have been added, so this is a moving target. Our prospect list trumps any eligibility in Draftime or availability in ESPN , so if you make an invalid pick, that is on YOU. You can make it up as soon as you notice, but all subsequent picks are valid due to your error.

Please also note that the ESPN player universe trumps Draftime in ONE sense: if a player is in ESPN's database but is not in Draftime's database, you CAN draft him. Just use the free-form entry system to do so. ONE EXCEPTION to that is that there are many prospects that will show available in ESPN that are NOT available. See above - our prospect list trumps Draftime and ESPN.

Conversely, if someone shows up in Draftime but IS NOT in ESPN, he is NOT eligible to be drafted.

Report in-draft trades of picks here. Guru, Tosh and myself are Draftime admins and can enter those trades.

When you make a pick, PLEASE PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN. We all get frustrated when we see a player we want in ESPN that has actually been drafted. Do your part by picking them up. We all have phones that can do that.

Questions? Please post!

GOOD LUCK to everyone!

368

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 19:43

First pick made. Good luck everyone!

369

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 19:43

My prospect Jung Ho Kang is now listed as a FA on ESPN.

370

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 21:11

368: Shocker! :)

371

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 21:48

I'm probably going to sit on the pick until Sunday night. One of the guys I'm looking at is rehabbing so I don't want to pick in case some bad news comes down. Obviously if we wanted to officially start sooner I'd pick sooner.

372

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 21:59

No worries! But it IS nice for teams to start queues and to verify keeper/draft pick accuracy.

373

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 22:06

Archie Bradley and michael choice missing from my draftime keeper list.

374

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 22:59

Judy - both of them are ineligible to be drafted. If you search for them in Draftime, Bradley isn't in the database and Choice shows ineligible.

No need to show them as "keepers" on Draftime.

376

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:06

2015 dues notice

Contributions to the prize pool will again be $15 per head. All returning members of the league are participants in the prize pool, and are required to continue each year.

In addition to the prize pool, we collect dues each year to cover any league costs. Since we are no longer paying a site hosting fee, we are again assessing only $2 per head for dues this year. This pays for the draft at Draftime, and also for a trophy to be purchased at the end of the season for the winner.

So, the total amount to be paid is $17. If you are sending this via Paypal, please send it to davehall@rotoguru2.com, and designate it as "I'm sending money to family or friends." This should eliminate any fees charged. In the message simply say G20 dues.

If you are sending by check, make it payable to me and mail it to the address at the bottom of this page: http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html

Blue hen, bmd, Jaydog, and species each have enough money on account to cover their $17.

Toral has $5 on account, so he only owes $12.

I believe everyone else owes the full $17. If you think you have funds on account that I may have overlooked, please ask.

Bean – if you need more info on the prize pool, let me know.

Please send in your dues payment as soon as possible. Let’s make April 1st the deadline. I’ll reserve the right to start harassing after that date.

377

Bean
ID: 14147911
Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 12:29

I just sent the $17. What's the end of year payout?

378

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 18:23

Top six teams are paid.

1st: $110 (plus trophy)
2nd: 70
3rd: 50
4th: 35
5th: 20
6th: 15
Total prize pool is $300 (20x$15)

379

Ref
ID: 55156513
Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 21:08

At least when there is a time limit we can have an understanding that a pick will be coming up soon. What say you, bmd?

FYI: I am going to be out of pocket quite a bit starting mid-week. Was hoping I'd have 3 or 4 picks in by then. Will start to work on some sort of queue before but going to have to be a long one.

380

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Sat, Mar 21, 2015, 21:33

I already explained why I am not picking. I will tomorrow night.

381

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 13:53

I know I'm late in advertising but pick 1.03 is available if someone is willing to trade up.

Ideally, I would be looking to trade down in the first and obtain a mid rd pick (asking 3rd).

382

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:38

I believe Francisco Lindor still needs to be marked in drafttime.

383

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:42

Trea Turner too

384

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:43

Just removed Lindor and Almora from Draftime.

385

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:43

and Trea Turner

386

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 15:17

Raisel Iglesies is also available in draft time.

387

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 15:50

Trade Announcement Supplemental Draft Picks

GoatLocker Gives
1.10 and 4.1

Slizz Gives
1.3 and 12.14

388

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 15:58

Nice trade!

Thank you for checking the Draftime pool. As I noted, it seems to evolve daily. Those guys were NOT in there earlier in the week.

389

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 16:05

Confirmed

390

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 17:30

[386] Iglesius removed

391

GO
ID: 432341310
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 20:35

Anybody want 2.01 for a prospect pick next year? Or for a couple picks now ala the trade above?

392

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:19

It looks like a whole bunch of players were added on the 20th--Player update log.

I saw Russell, Schwarber, Stephenson, Giolito, Gray, Olivera...

I think everyone should check their prospect names in draft time and post here if they need to be removed.

Mine are all set.

393

Bean
ID: 14147911
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:26

Actually I am probably responsible for the addition of all those prospects. I run the Political League and annually add 5 rounds of prospects times 14 owners to Fred's database after our prospect draft.

Its something that all our leagues should be aware of if they use prospects. The prospects' inclusion in the database is dynamic.

394

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:45

Our league does prospects and adds a bunch too.

395

Bean
ID: 14147911
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:53

I'm thinking that most of the real good prospect sources to #100 prospect and the mock drafts to #25 should cover almost anyone who might be drafted as a prospect in most of our leagues. Would be great if someone provided that list to Fred every year so our keeper leagues with prospects work without a hiccup.

396

Bean
ID: 14147911
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 21:54

It's not like someone knows of a guy that nobody else ever heard of

397

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 22:49

Trade Announcement

GO receives:
Pete's 2016 1st round prospect pick
10.02 (2015 supplemental draft)
13.02 (2015 supplemental draft)

Pete receives:
2.01 (2015 supplemental draft)
8.01 (2015 supplemental draft)

GO to confirm

398

GO
ID: 541392319
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 22:55

Confirmed.

399

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 00:00

bmd with the first lame ass award. Pick up your #&×£=¥!&×¥× player yourself please!

400

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 00:16

It's amazing what people will pay for a slight upgrade for a non-keeper yet they won't come close to wanting to pay that for a major upgrade of an actual keeper. I like the trades.

401

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 00:20

Was a nice trade Gl as Slizz was going to take him. Just as I suggested, my two players I dumped who should have been kept by most teams would be gone by the 3rd pick. Now, hopefully I will have a player or two slip to me that wouldn't have been there.

402

Species
ID: 6031912
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 00:36

That pick has me scrambling.......figures

403

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 09:14

Clock hasn't even started and I'm already getting picked on. Btw, I picked him up BEFORE I checked this thread.

404

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 09:25

... and they're off!

Well, Pick 1 of 14 went swimmingly. Got exactly the guy that I wanted. And I'm pretty sure if I had kept Odorizzi, I wouldn't have gotten Britton. Happy to have them both.

Looking to deal for a second rounder. Will do something like a 5th and 6th for your 2nd and last.

405

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 09:36

I could use a second also. I have two 5th rounders for it.

406

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 10:19

Looks like our clock has started, if not on draftime. MJD picked at 9:26 AM ET, so R9 has until 12:26 PM ET to pick. Sound right?

407

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 10:58

403: Have to make a point about it....I am unable to access Commish powers at work so I can't meep up.

406: Crap, you're right. Forgot I made it 9:00am ET start. But it is a 4 hour clock, so 1:26pm ET.

408

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 11:45

mjd with a great pick. Napoli looks primed to have a big bounceback year.

With Soler as well as Polanco, mjd putting together some scary power!!

409

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 11:54

Errr.....Nerf I mean!

410

Judy
ID: 92552311
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 12:55

Can't add Johnny perAlta from phone. Can someone do it please?

411

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 13:06

Ohhhh I was really hoping to get Odor here.

412

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 13:42

I had you with Odor there. Figured Howie wold be your pick when he went. Some picks I have nailed, others have surprised me, but that's always the case. It's tough to predict as we all value players differently.

413

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Mar 23, 2015, 20:02

My top 6 choices have all been drafted and not picked up so this could take a while....

414

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 09:43

Quick poll: how many of you use ESPN for filtering and finding players? In other words, you rely on players getting picked up to know who is available?

I keep my own spreadsheet, so for a while I didn't even realize why we had to pick players up.

Not saying the people who do it are wrong (except Toral, of course; he's always wrong - I kid because I love), but just want to get a sense of what percent of the league is impacted by it.

415

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 09:55

I never rely on the hosting platform for filtering and finding players. I update my own list(s).

416

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 10:04

My actual annoyance at 413 was that the 4 players in my queue had been taken in the previous 6 picks and I was forced to move down to what I regard as a tier (or two) of lower players.

My first two rounds have keen the kind that causes me either to bang the table so hard the computer falls off or to immediately take 3 valium and go to bed for 12 hours.

417

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 10:05

Or both.

418

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 10:45

414: I do use it as an easy reference. From there I conduct further research of the players in a pool of players being considered.

Very good pace, everyone. Thank you for your attention. Please do pick up your players. I can understand not being able to during a workday, but we should all have the ability to do so in the evening.

419

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 15:36

It's always bad to queue up a Cardinal when bmd picks in front of you......good pick on Lackey...a boring but safe pick.

420

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 16:34

This entire draft I've had the gauntlet of Slizz, Bean, Toral, WG, Guru, and Ref. Or Species, who traded for half their picks. I'm amazed I've gotten anyone (and in fact, gotten exactly who I wanted).

421

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 16:44

414: Yes I do
420: It's easy to get guys you wanted when you pick up guys like Fowler at 1.20. ;)

422

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 17:17

Score. Board.

423

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 18:05

LOL 422: You might want to take that back. What's Ref got? 4 or 5 titles?

Sure....you are reigning champ.
Sure....Ref hasn't won since you joined.

But you have to respect his record.

424

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 18:17

Oh believe you me, I respect Ref's record. I figured 422 was a better comeback than calling out Chris Tillman. But I'm happy to do that, if it's prudent.

Reminds me of the scene in Moneyball where they get 5 guys they want in the first 22 picks. To paraphrase Ref, it's easy to get guys you want when nobody else wants them.

The key to winning? Want guys that nobody else wants who are actually better than the guys they want. Here's hoping Dexter Fowler is one of those. We all know Jose Bautista used to be one of em.

425

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 18:31

I wanted Fowler.

426

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 18:54

Well, drafting, at least in 2014, wasn't blue hen's forte. After David Ortiz at 1.01, it went downhill from there:

1.18 J. Parker (just bad luck)
2.01 N. Jones (just bad)
2.18 J. Castro
4.15 E. Young
4.18 BJ Upton
5.18 M. Dominguez
6.18 B. Wilson
....and trust me it doesn't get better.

Sad thing is, he still kicked our asses.

No one manages in-season better. I sure as hell don't. I have to nail this draft to have a chance.

427

Beastiemiked
ID: 452181712
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 19:29

I just hope someone gives bh a run for his money.

428

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 24, 2015, 21:02

LOL! It's so easy to get bh on tilt.

429

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 09:38

426: Thanks for not posting the rest of the list. Wow, it's ugly. Other than Ortiz, only two guys I drafted last year have even been taken in this draft, through almost five rounds. 2012 was a long time ago, when I got Sale, Rizzo, and Altuve.

Species has had a great draft and had well-planned keepers. He's the biggest contender right now.

Hopefully the 2015 draft looks better, in retrospect.

430

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 09:51

I am on the road all day/night today. I have thrown a queue together but will not have any of my info. All I have is my phone and will not have access to that for a good part of the day. Please pick up your players on the site or that's going to slow us way down when I come up if my queue is gone. I'm over a round away.

431

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 11:22

Bean is traveling as well. He is now aware he is up and is working to catch up on his queue. Hopefully he can catch up and not time out.

432

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 11:30

Hopefully he can catch up and not time out.

Speak for yourself >;)

433

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 14:51

Looking to trade away my 6th rounder. If there's a player you want coming up, let me know.

435

GO
ID: 541392319
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 18:40

6.10 for sale for a pick next season.

Otherwise I shall make my first pick. Hooray.

436

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 18:46

GO: check your e-mail.

437

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 19:05

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT (I think)

GO receives:
Toral's 2016 6th round pick
Toral's 14.16

Toral receives:
GO's 6.10

438

GO
ID: 432341310
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 19:18

Confirmed

439

Species
ID: 6031912
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 19:29

437: I assume that GO gives up his 2016 14th as well???

440

Species
ID: 6031912
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 19:32

We are proceeding VERY well. That said, there is a manager coming close to hitting his cumulative clock. I have asked him to try to use queues and manage his time better. Still, we are in no danger of running up against a time crunch......so for now it's mostly a warning, but he should still endeavor to improve.

441

GO
ID: 541392319
Wed, Mar 25, 2015, 23:37

Throw my 14th in to balance, yes.

442

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 05:23

Beancline, the whole purpose of my plan was to get A=Rod and Garza both in this round. You ruined it. Are you sure you don't want someone else?

443

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 11:20

Ref's going to time out in 40 minutes. I hope everyone has picks at the ready!

444

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 16:38

After keeping only 3 hitters, I drafted 6 of the first 7 as hitters. We'll see how it works.

445

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 22:43

Folks, pick 8.20 is on the market. Looking for a 2016 pick.

446

Species
ID: 54740122
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 23:11

Anyone else, other than slizz, doing projected standings? If so, do you mind sharing (publicly or privately)?

447

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Mar 26, 2015, 23:24

We know Bluehen uses the Rotowire tools, so he almost certainly does.

Re projected standings: have never paid any attention to them. Back in the old Poli league, biliruben used to do projected standings, by I suspect a better methodology than Rotowire's. I won the league 3 out of 5 years, and was never projected higher than 6th in the years I won. Onr year I was projected first, and I knew it was a a curse, and I finished out of the money. Projected standings don't work. They can comaoae the value of say, the top 10 players on every team, but after that they break down.

As for realistic projections: bluehen and Species will fight for the title all year, and every sentient manager will squeeze every centimetre of value out of them in trades right up to the trade deadline.

448

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 01:18

I'd like to do well of course, but my heart is really rooting for Toral this year. If he does really well I'll probably be really happy. Best of luck to everyone but especially my Toral Dodgers!!!

449

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 09:46

I use the Rotowire app for tracking and it includes projected standings, but I usually don't put too much stock in them, for reasons Toral already said. Right now, the top 6: Blue Hen, Species, Toral, Pete, R9, Bean. Reasonable, although I'm sure WG will wind up there too. Bottom 6 (from the bottom): Great One, Judy, Slizz, Nerf, Jaydog, Goatlocker. Certainly can't see Slizz finishing that close to the bottom. The other five appear to be rebuilding.

Toral is right - two teams had the best keepers and multiple recent championships, so all of you better trade with them. Particularly if you have a third baseman to offer.

450

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 12:06

Update on timing. I don't think we're in trouble, I just like using Draftime tools.

Fastest Drafters:
Judy 0:04
Great One 3:00
Youngroman 5:06
Species 5:21
Guru 6:58
Blue Hen 10:16
Goatlocker 12:44
Pete 15:45
Slizz 16:30
Bean 17:41
Tosh 18:35

451

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 12:08

Big props to Judy, who has autopicked every pick except one.

452

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 13:24

Sorry for the delay. It was still 8 picks away when I went to bed last night.

453

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 13:54

Pick 8.20 still for sale. If there's a guy you want right now, here's a chance to get in.

454

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 15:03

Guy in espn, but not in draftime. Don't wAnt to ask to add him cause then you all will know who it is!

Solution please...

455

Jaydog
ID: 3216916
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 15:05

I think you should just pick someone random in draftime, that you know will not be drafted... i.e. Anthony Recker, and announce in the forum who you actually drafted.

456

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 15:24

You can add players to draftime. There is button to the right of your selection box that says Add Player. It can only be done live, not queue. Just make sure to spell his name correctly because he then gets entered in the draftime database.

457

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 15:57

Nerf I don't want to add him because them you will know who it is.

458

Jaydog
ID: 3216916
Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 19:11

You'll be adding him when you draft him.

459

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sat, Mar 28, 2015, 00:23

Calling up Jon Gray for the first time. Please skip picks 11.02 and 12.02

460

Slizz
ID: 53015288
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 14:39

See a player (or two) you want that's still out there?

I'm looking to move 11.14 for a 2016 pick. Trade structure would be as follows:

Pick 11.14
My 2016 13th

For

Your last pick this year
Your 2016 11th

461

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 17:57

Who else has picks they are forfeiting? ? I got Pete's. Who else?? Please post the pick numbers. Thanks!

462

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 19:53

Cancel my 14.05 pick please. I had a tenth keeper, m choice (who has already been sent down...)

463

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 21:15

Skip me in 13 and 14, please.

464

beastiemiked
ID: 262102620
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 21:18

Cancel last round for me

465

GO
ID: 541392319
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 21:20

I can skip my final 3 I believe.

466

Tosh
ID: 3822913
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 21:54

Skip my final round. I had promoted Butler.

467

R9
ID: 45292712
Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:45

Cancel 14.09 for me.

468

Ref
ID: 55156513
Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 11:42

Can everyone PLEASE pick up their players?

469

beastiemiked
ID: 262102620
Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 15:53

I don't have room for Fields apparently. If someone else wants him feel free to draft him.

470

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 18:06

Skip please.

Didn't realize I was OTC.

471

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 19:27

451. Crumbs. I forgot to turn aug pick on, lost about 3 hours..

472

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Mar 30, 2015, 19:27

Aug supposed to be auto

473

GoatLocker
ID: 59214619
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 10:28

Thank you to whoever picked up Mike Minor for me.
Just went in to do it.
Won't be able to pick up 14.10 til I get home.

474

GO
ID: 432341310
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 11:30

My remaining picks can be skipped if that's how we are getting around this.

475

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 12:01

Several picks nee to be skipped including R9s who is OTC right now.

476

R9
ID: 412563017
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 12:12

Am I able to skip my own pick somehow?

477

Ref
ID: 55156513
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 12:17

maybe pick up someone no one else will pick--like Jeter?

478

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 14:42

Crap. I think I skipped Bean by mistake. He can still pick.

479

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 15:35

I've been trying to skip picks as I can, but it's tough on the phone going from page to page, and trying to figure it out.

480

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 15:48

Now that you guys have actual players on your rosters, I'm looking to deal either Tyler Kolek or Rafael Devers for someone who will help this season.

481

Bean
ID: 14147911
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 17:42

<478> All good for me.

482

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 20:41

Great news: 5 of my 10 potential SP are either injured or demoted to the minors.

Seriously guys? Yes.

483

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 31, 2015, 22:58

I will re-set and re-enter all the draft picks tomorrow. All players will be on waivers at that point. Please do not pick up any FAs until after waivers has been run. Thanks.

484

Species
ID: 42011619
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 01:47

THANK YOU Tosh!

Everyone, please heed his request. No FA pickups. You will get notice that the draft results have been (re)entered........then all undrafted players will go through waivers.

Need to re-order waivers as well.

485

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:16

The draft has been re-entered. All players are on waivers.

If I made an error, please be sure to let me know ASAP.

486

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:36

Thanks Tosh!

Thanks for the counter reset too. Really appreciate all the work that you just went through!

487

blue hen
ID: 01052416
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:41

My roster looks good. Happy to have 12th waivers, but I think that needs to be updated.

488

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:52

Dues reminder: today is the deadline. If you have not yet paid, you have a day before you are "outed".

Seven people have not yet paid. One has said "the check's in the mail", and one has a technical issue to resolve with PayPal. That leaves five who I have yet to hear from.

489

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:53

The waivers make no sense. I re-set those to the correct order, and re-checked. 30 minutes later they were different.

I've re-set them again, and will have to check back again later ...

490

Species
ID: 42011619
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 16:54

I've tried to do them twice now in the last 10 minutes. They keep re-ordering. WTH.

491

Ref
ID: 55156513
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 17:00

espn has always been tricky with that when you first set them. CBS had a trick to them. I don't remember if there was a trick to espn other than to keep repeating.

492

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 17:07

488 I had the "technical issue" but it was resolved. I have been debited. If there is an issue, it is now with *you* -- whoops, I mean, both of us.

Toral

493

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 21:22

It kept resetting the AA waiver order too, but it finally stopped doing it.

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