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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2022 Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Species - SuperDude [07724916] Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 12:44

Welcome to the 2022 Gurupie 20 Season! This is our 20th year in existence, and I could not be more proud. The pandemic and the lockout have tested our faith in Baseball.....and while those things can slow us down, Baseball inevitably makes it way back up.

G20 is my favorite league in my nearly 30 years of playing fantasy baseball. It has tested my mettle by starting completely from scratch, to back-to-back titles, to a quick reload between titles, and now in the midst of something between a rebuild and a reload (who knows what 2022 will exactly bring). It takes SO MUCH to bring home this pantheon of Championships.......do YOU have what it takes?

It is 3 days before Opening Day. The Prospect and Supplemental Drafts were a success (even if a couple of hiccups). Rosters are up to date and the waiver order is set. The Supplemental and Prospect Draft grids are reset for 2023 so you can see what you have -- I have already noticed I traded my 14th AND my "last"....oops I had better go get another 14th!

A few reminders for this year:

1) Four IL spots are available to Keepers, Prospects and "10th keepers" ONLY. Please be cognizant of the player restriction and manage accordingly. We will be self-policing this - if you see something awry, please let a Commissioner know.

2) Up to 10 COVID IL spots are available to ANY player on the COVID list. Hopefully the days of massive COVID outbreaks - or even too many individual days - are mostly behind us. But, since the site allows it I have extended it. This does require the player to specifically be on MLB's COVID list and be recognized / designated by Yahoo. This will also be self-policing.

3) The Shohei Ohtani exception. Please be reminded, and for clarification for our new managers, youngroman has owned Ohtani since our days hosted by ESPN. When we made the move to Yahoo, we wrote in an exception to allow BOTH the hitter and the pitcher to be treated as 'one player' for keeper and roster purposes. youngroman may drop and re-pick up Ohtani in Yahoo as many times as he wants in order to have something resembling the roster flexibility they had at ESPN. No other teams may pick up either the hitter or the pitcher. NOTE: youngroman (or any team he is traded to) must ALWAYS roster at least one Ohtani to retain these rights.

4) Prospects are shown as free agents in Yahoo - please be cognizant. You know when something is too good to be true....then it usually is? Please be aware of who is on the prospect list before picking up players that might have been prospect-eligible.

5) Trade Deadline is August 25th. Our rules indicate that our trade deadline is the last day available in August on our host site. That is August 25th this year.

6) Trade review resides with the league now - 7 vetos required to overturn. Thank you Trade Committee for your diligence this offseason.

- Our defending Champion bmd has already felt the sting of how hard it is to repeat - only 3 managers have done it in 20 years. Can he pull a LL Cool J and come back from a few tough breaks?
- Can Fosten finally pull the right in-season strings on his bevy of talent and prospects?
- Can WG pull magic out of a hat and be a contender?
- Will blue hen return to former glory?
- Can some of the new bucks - Thumper, Dowd, DonkeyKong, Code and Lyman make a big run / splash this year?
- How will our rookie managers taxman and Bobo do in reshaping their teams?
- Can Tree and GO build on last year's top 3 finish to challenge again?
- Can veterans darkside, Tosh, Nerfherders and youngroman rise to the top?
- Can Guru make a second run?
- How will Matt G put his own stamp on his team?

Only one way to find out. Good luck to all!

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 14:42

Prize pool collections are now completed.

17 managers are in the pool for 2022, totaling $255.
Two new managers have deferred a decision until 2023 (Taxman and Bobo)
Blue hen has permanently opted out.

Here is the payout structure for a $255 pool:
1st $90
2nd $60
3rd $40
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 23:43

Let’s goooooooooooo

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 09:44

Folks, Robert Suarez, who I own as a prospect and has now been picked up or drafted by three other teams, is on the block. Since our first round had many closers picked who don’t play for a contending team, in a cavernous ballpark or who don’t have years of closing experience in Japan, I’d expect to get a 2023 first round pick in return, plus something to make it worth my while.

Bobo
ID: 36211018
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 10:29

Excited to be here for a full season and compete. Appreciate the opportunity.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 10:42

I searched, couldn't find him in the list. Dunno if CTRL+F doesn't work here or what.

Dropped. Sorry BH

GO
ID: 35231211
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 10:47

Not sure if this will help anyone, but I use the Watchlist as my guide for prospects. So if you aren't actively using it as a guide for guys on your own radar (which I don't) -- I just put the little star next to all the prospect I know I can't touch.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 11:46

I think BH just likes trolling us. How many times was Tsutsugo picked up last year? I know I did it once.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Apr 05, 2022, 12:30

Happy opening week folks! Good luck to every team named Thumpers!

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 10:46

Rain rain, go away!
Come again another day!

Well, besides some projected rainouts, Baseball is f**king ON tomorrow! Despite my lack of contention this year, I am extraordinarily excited. I go through moods in March -- overwhelmed by too many leagues and duties but then equally amped up when the deeds are all done and we are ready to GO!

Thirteen days before the keeper moratorium ends. Team Species is open for business!! Of course, non-keepers are open to be traded right now....so don't be shy to start planting those seeds and sowing your spot as a contender.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Apr 07, 2022, 09:32

The Saves + Holds coalition is enjoying the importance being placed on managers deciding who will be their closers right now. Relievers good and bad are stockpiled in anticipation of a side comment made by a manager! May the odds be ever in your favor!

GO
ID: 34025146
Thu, Apr 07, 2022, 17:24

The SHC throwing shade... I love my six dudes that may or may not ever close a game.

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Apr 07, 2022, 18:35

League leader in saves with a 100% conversion rate David Robertson otb.

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Apr 08, 2022, 09:40

Well. I guess I need to call up the Beer-man.

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 09:57

At least BH won't have to worry about people picking up Saurez anymore. It's pretty neat how closers who are perfectly healthy and pitching fine just lose all value on a whim.

As a gambler myself, I appreciate how 10% of scoring is completely determined by the luck of closer roulette.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 08:48

At least BH won't have to worry about people picking up Saurez anymore. It's pretty neat how closers who are perfectly healthy and pitching fine just lose all value on a whim.

exactly why saves is an antiquated category for fantasy baseball.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 13:19

We can finish the S + H discussion and even put it to a vote.

We do need to address WHEN this would go into effect. Those managers who have invested heavily into the best closers deserve to have a bit of a sunset period where the value of their assets are still strong.

A reasonable counter-argument to that issue is that strong closers are still going to have good to very strong value. Holds are a very nebulous / random stat as well - so a stud closer still has a much better chance of racking up counting stats in this category. Tosh suggested TWO full years -- that might be much but his and darkside's perspectives (holding 4 of the top 8 closers right now) ought to carry a bit more weight than their 10% vesting in this league might normally. I am of the mind that the value of a team's holdings must be seriously taken into account when a rule change is going to directly impact them (i.e. Ohtani and the move to Yahoo).

bmd's argument of streaming setup men on good teams when their good starters are going will absolutely be a part of the strategy. However, our moves limit will at least make managers think twice as to how often they stream that position.

Any other considerations??

GO
ID: 34025146
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 13:26

I can pretty much guarantee whoever the top closers today won't be the top closers 2 years from now... but yes, I think at least putting a date on it would be fair. Call it 2024. 2025. Whatever. Let them cycle back out of Top Guy status.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 13:35

I had forgotten that we had a limit on moves, and I don't see any limit mentioned in the league settings at Yahoo. Am I looking in the wrong place? How is this tracked?

Species
ID: 1412613
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 22:47

18: Correct. Yahoo's highest max moves is 150....so the only option is to look manually.

darkside
ID: 83551122
Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 23:55

re: 16...thanks for the consideration, Species. Two years is generous, but a case can be made for it. One year is the bare minimum, yet reasonable. It probably makes sense to just add a second question to the vote, 2024 or 2025. That seems fair to me.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 13:21

Closers will still be more valuable than middle relievers in the S+H world because they have more opportunities. As a steady closer owner, I'd be fine with a 2023 start if it passed now.

GO
ID: 35231211
Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 13:35

I can also tell you that even if closers lose some value 2 years from now... I'm still more than willing to give a top pick for one right now cause they are valuable today and I'm trying to compete. And regardless of the caliber of closer I have, I'm not keeping them.

That said... anyone with a closer for sale?

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 21:08

Counter argument is that Devin Williams is a keeper in a S+H league. He’s worthy of being kept skills-wise.

I’m down to move to S+H asap, after the 2023 season feels fairest to those with heavy stock in closers

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 22:19

I still don’t see the appeal of saves+holds. The top teams are assured the top spots as middle to lower teams aren’t going to be chasing holds or saves. In our current setup those teams have incentive to chase saves as they may land a closer they can flip for a pick. With holds those trade spots will not exist since there will be plenty of holds on the waiver wire.

I cringe thinking about having to cycle 100+ relievers a year to win. That just isn’t my idea of fun.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 22:28

I also have 2 of the top 8 closers, and am against S+H.

Agree with BMD, given the fun factor, I’d actually strongly consider quitting. Which probably increases the odds of it passing, right?

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 14:08

the fear that you'd have to "cycle through" relief pitchers is a false fear.

In the 8 Men Out league, which uses S+H - the manager who won the category made 14 moves. Yes, he did it by having 3 closers, and that is absolutely a strategy.

#2 in the category did make the second most amount of moves, and #3 made the third most moves. The guy who made the most moves - more than the next 3 managers behind him combined - finished 4th in the category.

I sure as hell don't want to chase holds by making 100+ moves, and I don't believe that it is necessary to do so to be competitive in the category.

As for leaving the league because one does not like a category, so be it. I left a league when the antiquated QS was installed over Wins, so if one wants to leave, that is their prerogative.

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 14:39

Blue Hen ain't goin' anywhere. But if he did I'd be bummed. I'd miss his funnies and the fact that he never - ever - gives up on Yoshi Tsutsugo!

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 15:01

Wow, last place again already. That didn't take long!

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 09:01

We need to better incentivize people calling up their prospects or something. I don't see why some of these dudes aren't currently rostered and helpimg your team... worried about the callup numbers? And if you had to send them back? I thought we already addressed that.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 10:05

Suzuki has now been called up. Quit ya’ whining.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 10:52

More roster space would help incentivize me to roster my rookies, but that's not happening.

I counted 12 rookies on our prospect list that are currently in the bigs. Two of those 12, Torkelson and Abrams, are mine. I'd love to see their names on my roster, but there are four things keeping me from promoting them.

1) Where do I play them? Abrams over Wander? Torkelson over Voit and Vaughn? And I don't really need them at DH with some of the options I'm forced to leave on my bench, daily.

2) Who do I drop in order to roster them? Spencer Strider? Jhoan Duran? Doubting they'd pass thru waivers. Robles? He's seemingly part of a closer committee for a playoff contender. Santiago Espinal? Sure, but that brings me to my next item.

3) If I drop Espinal in order to add Tork or Abrams, I'll have no easy drops to make if a player I NEED suddenly hits the waiver wire (where I own the #1 waiver priority), or if an available free agent suddenly becomes hot property. Pointless, to me, to just add Tork and/or Abrams and, thus, limit my roster flexibility when I might not be playing them very often.

4) The trade moratorium. I would like to clear some roster space and add my ROY candidates, but the trade moratorium limits the possibilities, so we wait.

I can't speak for others holding back their rookies, but there's a lot of factors that go into keeping mine down. Last year I kept Andrew Vaughn down as I was finishing off the rebuild of a garbage franchise I inherited where the best players were Segura, Escobar, Aroldis and Roberto Ozuna. My only prospect was Forrest Whitley. I spent that offseason unloading anything of value and began the following season with a fresh set of nine new keepers that I traded for over that first offseason. I then spent last season finishing off the two-year rebuild, and heard a lot of grumblings about people "tanking" on this messageboard. Was never sure if those comments were meant for me, but I did finish last, so if tanking means a regular season which saw me add Manoah, Baz, Marsh, Josh Jung, 4-of-the-5 pieces I needed to acquire Torkelson, the draft picks I acquired and used to add Miguel Vargas, Taylor Rogers, Josh Donaldson, Luke Voit, Mitch Garver and Matt Brash ... then, yeah, I tanked like a mo-fo.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 12:19

Calling up Detmers for first time.

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 20:38

Great points Lyman, finding room can be hard... which means trading to condense which is great for the league... the moratorium a bit of a hindrance but plenty of others to move i suppose. Is that up this week?

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 22:12

I agree with Lyman points. I had Suzuki and Jeremy Peña. I don’t typically play rookies at the beginning. So I waited until a player went on the DL or somebody deserved to be cut before making a move.

I’ve got a Buxton and Marte at OF and Boomstick at DH. So it was a choice between Suzuki and Kepler for the last active slot. Kepler is no superstar, but he is a proven commodity for the first week. Of course the day I activate Suzuki for a Colorado start … he sits.

Once Urias comes back, Peña will just be a bench guy… so he’ll just sit on the FA list for now. I don’t need him today.

And interesting how us old timers and league founders want to keep saves, and it’s just the new guys shouting to make this league easier.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 22:21

And just for the record … I drafted Josh Hader as a prospect with the hope that he would become a top shelf closer. Playing that category takes work and patience, and for 20 years I’ve made that commitment.

GO
ID: 34025146
Sat, Apr 16, 2022, 21:30

I remember when i first joined the league drafting a guy was being groomed to be the next great Sox closer as my prospect... Craig Hansen lol

Closers are usually just failed starters. So timing when they fail as an SP prospect and timing their transition to the bullpen can certainly be a delicate dance.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 13:37

Calling up Josh Lowe OF TB for the first time.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 13:42

In RE: Post 31

I wanted to see if Lowe and Greene proved their worth, I wasn't convinced both would come and stay up. It's apparent Lowe is going to stay so I added him for Ortega at that point he was out performing my bench.

Greene may be next but again I have the same Dilemna, who do I drop?

One league I'm in drafts a bench of 6 players but leaves 2 extra spots empty You can fill them at your leisure via Waivers, free agency, etc.

Species
ID: 1412613
Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 14:41

Post 31 is a great example of the challenge of this league.....how and when do you pull the trigger and evolve:

FROM a collector of assets
TO a contender

Each of those require a different skillset/mindset. When you are collector, you churn assets frequently, trading $0.50 for $0.75 as many times as possible....

Once you make the choice to be a contender, it's time to get elite at the positions and categories of need and trade $1.25 for $1.00 when you have to -- consolidating as GO noted.

It can be a hard switch to flip....it only took me 3 years to convince Fosten to do it.

GO
ID: 35231211
Sun, Apr 17, 2022, 17:44

Fosten still hogging all the SB's or what?

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 17:17

Looking for a useful 3B, don’t care how old. I think we can make trades from keepers now? Side note- in favor of shortening the trade moratorium to the start of the season like BH pointed out

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 19:09

I believe the Trade Moratorium ends tomorrow, April 19. I have a number of productive MLB bats available, listed below. Essentially, I'll discuss anybody except Wander and Julio. I also have some prospects I'd entertain trading in the right deal. My biggest need is Roster Space, so I'd love to swing some 2-for-1's. More specifically, I have interest in acquiring (1) quality starting pitching, (2) true closers and (3) a noticeable upgrade to Kolten Wong at 2B.

Shoot me a text or email if you see anything that interests you.

* Joey Gallo (still a keeper-friendly 28 years old)
* Josh Donaldson (3B, batting leadoff and in the 3-hole for the Yanks)
* Andrew Vaughn (1B-OF, a complete hitter on the rise)
* Jesse Winker (a complete hitter and still a keeper-friendly 28 years old)
* Brandon Marsh (doing it all early on and a true 20/20 threat with a high walk rate)
* Trent Grisham (hasn't gotten it going yet, only 25 years old and a true 20/20 threat and leadoff hitter with high walk rate)
* Luke Voit (batting cleanup and in the 5-hole for the Padres)
* Matt Brash and Spencer Strider (pitching phenoms)

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 21:01

Trade

Taxman Receives
Randal Grichuk, OF, COL
Tony Gonsolin, SP, LAD
Thumper’s 2023 s7

Thumper receives
Ryan McMahon, 3B/2B, COL
Taxman’s 2023 s8

Taxman
ID: 143561011
Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 23:31

Confirmed....I'm no longer a virgin

Trade

Taxman Receives
Randal Grichuk, OF, COL
Tony Gonsolin, SP, LAD
Thumper’s 2023 s7

Thumper receives
Ryan McMahon, 3B/2B, COL
Taxman’s 2023 s8

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 01:13

I don't get it. So you're admitting to getting f*ck*d in this deal?

Some of these trades...

I mean, I'm pretty positive that if I polled everybody in the league, everybody would say Thumper has one of the top teams in the league and Tax Cuts has one of the worst teams in the league (to no fault of his own, as he inherited that mess). So I'm always bewildered how a contender sends to a team in rebuild a couple of their next drops in exchange for a keeper.

Ryan McMahon plays the second hardest position to fill in fantasy, 2B. Everyday. And 81 of his games are played at Coors Field, the best hitting paradise in baseball history. Ryan McMahon is 27 years old. Ryan McMahon ranked a very respectable 129th in G20 last year (we keep 180 players overall). McMahon is Tax Cuts 4th or 5th best player overall. Or he was, anyway.

Meanwhile, in return for a 27-year old everyday 2B who plays 81 games at Coors and was ranked 129th last year, Tax Cuts receives a middling 31-year old outfielder with a career .293 OBP, and a pretty boring 28-year old starting pitcher with a history of shoulder problems, but no history of sustained success. Unlike McMahon, Gonsolin and Grichuk were not keepers. No, they were drafted at 4.17 and 5.17. The draft was what, a mere 3-or-4 weeks ago?

I mean I hate to do this. I don't want to be the bad guy and make everybody feel bad. And I suspect this will cause hard feelings. I also suspect it will handicap me by making it harder for me to make deals. But these trades where the rich get richer while the teams who are this league's version of the Pirates and Orioles are getting two meh players for actual keepers (cough, Austin Riley) are wayyyyyyyyy more likely to make me quit than if I don't get my way in the saves+holds debate. This deal makes no sense for the Tax Cuts franchise, and like the Austin Riley deal, should never even have been offered let alone accepted. All parties are guilty of making really shitty deals that both greatly affect the landscape for those in contention, while also rendering two already-weak franchises with considerably less talent. As a former long-time commissioner, I can assure you that it bites the big one when you're forced to replace a manager who left behind a talent-barren team that was picked over in shoddy trades. Not cool.

I know this is a Gentleman's League and I appreciate and respect that. But I've seen enough of these eyebrow-raising deals slide by, and frankly it ticks me off a little that I'm essentially having to put my reputation on the line by being forced to call out these trades as what they are - bogus.

The last thing I'll say is this: If you're a team that is in sell mode or rebuild mode, it is your duty to the league to respect the teams fighting for a title and not merely give away to contenders legit keepers, without getting back a true talent, or at least an upside play like Jesus Luzardo could have been for Tax Cuts. And, yes, this also applies to when you're making trades with me.

Taxman
ID: 143561011
Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 11:39

and another view is...take a look at each roster.

On a team that "had" (best choice) to keep Andy Ibenez, Akil Badoo and AJ PUK, Gonsolin and Grichuk are probably keepers. It is doubtful that McMahon gets in the top dozen on Thumper's team, much less top 9.

two sides to a coin

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:52

45: It is tough for me as the Commissioner because I see each side of this....

From Lyman's side, he sees a new team that is potentially learning the hard way about what tends to be most valued in this league and what may not be. He also sees a new team very slowly navigating its G20 journey....keeping (in taxman's own words) rather fringy (at best....sorry) players in their 9 keepers when 10-20 pretty solid 7th-9th keepers were CLEARLY posted as available for trade....

From taxman's side, McMahon has never really 'blown up' in Colorado....even his full seasons were only ~25 HR, .250-.255 batting average and pedestrian OBPs. He gets a journeyman Rockies OF in return and a potential upside SP in return. Gonsolin has never stayed healthy, but at only 27 years old and pitching for the best development team in baseball, there's some real upside there.....and Gonsolin the next day proceeds to throw 6 1-hit innings....

I value both sides. Best of luck to Thumper and taxman on the trade.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 11:19

Hunter Greene SP Cin Called up for the first time.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 13:23

10-20 pretty solid 7th-9th keepers were CLEARLY posted as available for trade....

I'm glad someone brought else brought this up.

While I've given up on actual trade value for players in this league, there were several very good keepers available so players like Ibanez didn't need to get kept.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 19:26

49: Right, and someone coming in totally cold has some growing pains to figure things out.

Let's face it -- this was an awful offseason. The lockout and lack of free agency and trades was a total buzzkill. Had our newest managers observed what was a regular offseason with deals all over the place, I hope they would have jumped in with both feet. As it was, I don't think I received more than 2 or 3 inquiries all offseason.

It is hard to jump into this league and determine the value of players and jump into the fray. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt to start.

That said.....nobody ever finished in the top third of the league rebuilding through the draft and sitting on your hands.

Taxman
ID: 143561011
Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 20:29

49 & 50;

From the git-go all but one pre draft trade discussion centered on Aaron Judge/and each quickly ended. In recent Trade with Thumper, Judge was not brought up, although I have received feelers for Judge since.

I agree that after a few rounds the supplemental draft is dumpster diving.

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 10:02

The fact that I am unsure if I'd prefer McMahon (plus open spot) to Grichuk and Gonsolin says I'd have no problem with the deal. I'd personally go McMahon only cause I'm still hunting for a 2B.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 11:27

I have noticed in this league when you are at the bottom, it isn't the guys on the fringes of keepers that are of interest to other teams. It's the stars. I can feel the vultures already starting to close in...

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 13:47

Matt Barnes OTB for anyone looking (hoping?) for saves.

Rotoworld blurb: Red Sox manager Alex Cora told reporters on Wednesday that he still wants right-hander Matt Barnes to reclaim the closer's role. Cora said that Barnes is getting close to regaining his form, and that once that happens they'll use him in the ninth inning again. Cora prefers to have clearly defined roles in his bullpen, and it sounds like he wants Barnes to handle the ninth inning exclusively once again as long as he's ready for it. Fantasy managers speculating on saves in the form of Hansel Robles and/or Jake Diekman, the time appears to be running out.

DK6000
ID: 393591913
Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 13:55

53: Preach!

In unrelated news, willing to move Xander Bogaerts if the deal is right. Looking primarily for a young bat to help my rebuild, position agnostic. Email is rhaarons at g mail dot com, can exchange texts from there if you don't already have my info.

Fosten
ID: 101121321
Fri, Apr 22, 2022, 23:25

Remember that one time Fosten made more trades before noon than the entire league did all off-season? Lol. I love you guys.

Let's not haze the rookies too much. It's all in good fun. When I joined this league it was veterans like blue hen and WG teaching me strategies that made it fun.

Lyman: Your rebuild has been fun to watch. You've done it the right way and will be a contender for years to come.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 12:27

Hey, I’m going for it this year. The 10th keepers, early picks and lucking into Kimbrel have helped a ton. I’m going to need some hitting to get this done. I’m willing to put a lot on the table to improve my hitting- prospects Nick Yorke, Daniel Espino, or Joey Wiemer. Or major league studs Jonathan India, Gerrit Cole, Gleyber Torres, or Jordan Romano. Or picks. Let me know what you’ve got.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 02:35

Spencer Torkelson called up for first time.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 09:01

Just repaired a posting glitch.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 14:26

Just repaired a posting glitch.

I was thinking it was the glitch in post 57 where Gleyber Torres was called a "Major League stud," but nope, it's still there.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Apr 24, 2022, 22:15

Oh, Tree. You must have been blowing hot air when you disparaged every player I offered for Torres, just last year.

Also, we have a rule against disparaging other people’s players in this forum. Hope it felt good.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 11:28

Also, we have a rule against disparaging other people’s players in this forum.

More of a cultural expectation, but yes, we are not supposed to rip / disparage players that are posted to be available.

That said, when there is obvious hyperbole involved, one doesn't have to worry about that being sniffed out by those in this league.....so like Paul McCartney said.....Let it Be.

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 23:15

This is some good stuff.

Thumper just showed us all the value difference between 2B Ryan McMahon at Coors Field and 2B Trevor Story away from Coors Field.

2B Ryan McMahon at Coors Field equals supp picks 4.17 and 5.17.

2B Trevor Story away from Coors Field equals two Top-40 overall stud keepers.

This is fun. Just ask Thumper!

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 09:19

Trade announcement

Code receives:
Nick Yorke (p)
BH 2023 4th

BH receives
Whit Merrifield
Code 2023 8th

Code Toothpick
ID: 54342268
Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 09:42

Confirming 64. Also, with exception of my young core, I got bats and arms for sale. Early injuries have taken their toll this year so I'm starting early on a 2023/2024 strategy.

whoisandrewlim at gmail dot com

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 10:03

Am I really being audited on every move here? GO beat me last year and is in 1st this year atm- clearly he knows what he’s doing.

Yahoo player rater-wise it’s
2021: 72 (story) and 92 (Canha) for 30 (Mullins) for 175 (Nola)
2022 projection: 34 and 118 for 111 and 53
My guys are on the left side and includes a 29 yr old SS/2B who’s been a top 20 dynasty player every year before this past one and is now in the best lineup of his career.
I’ll make Mullins available for trade for a top 40 dynasty player if you’d like to acquire him

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 10:20

Hahahaha. Trevor Story career triple-slash line away from Coors Field - .241/.310/.439

A 30-HR/30-SB 27-year old OF and major stud SP for a .241/.310/.439 29-year old and 3.17.

GO
ID: 35231211
Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 10:53

Yeah, I thought above it was the top teams taking advantage of the lesser teams. You'd think you'd be happy the top team just got so much worse.
I can't keep up with the ever changing narrative.

Many people were offered very similar 2-1 deals for top 2B (just ask darkside)… and nobody bit.

And another former top Colorado hitter with extreme home/road splits seems to be doing just fine in St. Louis these days. Its almost like your numbers split the difference of that Coors chaos when you are a good hitter. And its not like he went to a pitchers park... he's in a good lineup at Fenway. He'll be fine.

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Apr 27, 2022, 12:50

Shane Bieber and Robbie Ray OTB for a bat and an arm each.

Fosten
ID: 363402810
Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 11:41

My best efforts at "The Michael Conforto Experiment" seemed to have failed. Anybody interested in stocking up for next year? He's a beast at the plate, a super cool dude, and I used to bowl in a league with his aunt. Haven't seen her recently, so I can neither confirm nor deny his recovery status. But she was a really nice lady, so I'm sure he will be just fine.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 18:50

Looking to move 1-2 SP from the below list. I’ll trade for an infield hitter, dedicated closer, 2 SP for 1 SP, prospect or pick depending on the SP I’m moving.
Freddy Peralta, Yu Darvish, Alex Wood, Zach Eflin, Tyler Anderson

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 00:20

Kenley Jansen otb.

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 09:25

I've got supp and prospect picks and looking for pitching... I'll be in touch!

DK6000
ID: 393591913
Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 10:13

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

Dowd trades: Jazz Chisolm, Max Fried, George Kirby (p), 2023 p2 (later pick)
Dowd receives: Xander Bogaerts, Javy Baez, Chris Paddack, Brett Baty (p)

DK trades: Xander Bogaerts, Chris Paddack, Brett Baty (p), 2023 s2
DK receives: Jazz Chisolm, Max Fried, 2023 p2

Toothpick trades: Javy Baez
Toothpick receives: George Kirby (p), 2023 s2

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 10:15

75: Confirmed

Code Toothpick
ID: 22328299
Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 10:28

Confirming 75

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:03

75: Now THAT's a trade! Well done guys. Love the aggression on each side.

All trades updated in the Constitution and Draft Grids.

Code Toothpick
ID: 22328299
Mon, May 02, 2022, 13:53

Trade Announcement

Code receives:
GO's 2023 P2

GO receives:
Kyle Gibson, SP, PHI
Code's 2023 P5

GO
ID: 34025146
Mon, May 02, 2022, 14:03

Confirmed.

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 02, 2022, 18:56

Calling up Jose Miranda for the first time.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, May 09, 2022, 15:20

Calling up Jeremy Peña for the first time.

Code Toothpick
ID: 37457918
Mon, May 09, 2022, 19:57

Trade Announcement:

Code Receives:
Ryan Mountcastle, 1B, BAL
Franmil Reyes, OF, CLE
Nick Lodolo, SP, CIN (p)

WG Receives:
Josh Bell, 1B, WAS

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 09, 2022, 20:10

Confirmed.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, May 11, 2022, 17:28

Looking to add some surefire speed. Apparently guys who stole 40 bases last year can’t be counted on. Can include India, Hoskins, Cole, Mahle, Kimbrel, and Josiah plus prospects Wiemer, House, and Espino.

GO
ID: 34025146
Thu, May 12, 2022, 07:02

Curious if we ever considered NA slots that we could stash our own prospects in. At least the majority of prospects could go in there.

Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Thu, May 12, 2022, 14:01

NA slots - is that a new thing in Yahoo?

It would be okay, but the real problem is people taking prospects who are currently active.

GO
ID: 35231211
Thu, May 12, 2022, 14:18

No, we've used for years in my other leagues.

Correct -- a player in the majors but you still aren't calling up would still be in the FA pool. But it would probably get 90% of them out of there. Either they are in your N/A slots or you are actively playing them.

GO
ID: 35231211
Thu, May 12, 2022, 14:58

Sending down the Beer-man.

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, May 14, 2022, 02:08

Sending down Jose Miranda.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, May 14, 2022, 21:32

A little heads up to everyone, darkside has advised of his intention to step away from G20. Nothing of an emergency nature, more of a realization that his ability to focus on baseball and really do all that is necessary to compete consistently in G20 is outside of his reach due to professional and personal priorities.

He will continue to manage his team responsibly until we recruit a replacement. This will include trading, but he will only focus on more complimentary pieces as opposed to dynasty studs. I will let him explain himself, but just know that he wants everything to be above board

So, please take a look at your other leagues - non-gurupies okay!

darkside
ID: 04131512
Sun, May 15, 2022, 13:15

Thanks, Species. It’s been a long-time coming that I give up my place in G20. I’ve never been very competitive in this league, but since I consistently won other Gurupie-led leagues, I rationalized that maybe I’d eventually do well here. But I think my risk-averse nature isn’t built for dynasty leagues.

Since I cut the cord and stopped watching live baseball, things have really gone downhill in terms of my sports engagement. Then the pandemic made everything harder and time more sparse. Between work, kids, and life my focus shifted in a lot of ways and fantasy sports stopped being a priority.

I thought I might have a decent team this year, but apparently my draft was garbage. When folks started reaching out about trades I knew the time had to come to fish or cut bait. I don’t think I deserve to fish in this pond anymore.

I think my successor would be well-served by me trading assets that they wouldn’t rebuild around. Bassitt and my closers (Hendricks and Iglesias being the most valuable) are the most obvious pieces that would be of interest to contenders. I view all three of them as keepers rather than in-season fill-ins, though, so keep that in mind.

Anderson and Albies aren’t available. Kelenic just got sent down so I don’t see a reason to entertain offers since no one would reasonably offer anything worthwhile relative to my hopes for him. Same with Patino or Barrero or any prospects. The next manager can decide on them. I also have some hope for Jared Wash and even Austin Hays, so I likely overvalue them.

Everyone else on my team I’m open to trading. Feel free to shoot me an email. Be forewarned that I’m not much of a haggler. I tend to just ignore low ball offers, so it’s likely best for you to just make the fairest offer you can. Supplemental picks, prospect picks, current/recent prospects are what make the most sense.

I’m also fine letting the next manager make all the decisions, too, so I’m not going to do a ton of outreach. That said, I will do my best to respond in a timely manner to inquiries, but this is the first Sunday I haven’t worked in a long time, so I’m hanging with the family and enjoying some nice weather…you may not hear from me today…

It’s been a great league and I’ve enjoyed the community. Thanks for putting up with my middling team all these years and good luck to those of you in the hunt. I hope the next manager makes the team much more competitive and does more with it than I did.

Thanks to Species for all the work commishing (and Ref before him and all of you who help keep things going) and to Guru for creating a community that I joined 24 years ago when I was still a young (and dumb) man in college. Somehow I turned into my parents and have to focus on more boring things. Anyway, not goodbye yet, just a thanks for being a part of more than half my life.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, May 15, 2022, 18:26

Darkside, it’s always been great dealing with you in this league. You’ll be missed. Don’t be a stranger!

darkside
ID: 54241519
Sun, May 15, 2022, 20:24

Thanks, Blue Hen! I hated making this decision and will miss belonging to the best league in town. I'll definitely poke my head in from time to time over the long run. Until I'm gone, I'll just try to play the spoiler and keep points away from the top teams!

GO
ID: 35231211
Mon, May 16, 2022, 15:56

I feel like my over the top Ozzie offers are responsible! :) Sorry to see you go

darkside
ID: 04131512
Mon, May 16, 2022, 16:57

GO, your Ozzie offers were incredibly reasonable. I’ve wondered if I made a mistake turning you down, but like drawing the line that he’s someone the next manager can have fun trading.

Vampireweekend
ID: 20401622
Mon, May 16, 2022, 23:00

Hey everyone- not sure I would be considered again but my wife received another cancer free scan today so would be interested in getting back into a baseball league.

Fully understand if you want to go in another direction but with the burdens of the last year plus falling away - at least for now thank the god of your choosing - I miss my baseball leagues.

Tree
ID: 4741579
Tue, May 17, 2022, 17:02

man, i'd be all about the seamless changing of the guard here.

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, May 18, 2022, 10:05

darkside, sad to see you go. Good luck with all those boring things you got to focus on, lol.

Vampire, that is awesome news!

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, May 18, 2022, 15:49

Darkside, sad to see you go. I’ve always enjoyed our conversations and your positivity. I hope for the best for ya!

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, May 18, 2022, 15:59

If we’re voting I’d be for vampire weekend to get another shot!

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Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Thu, May 19, 2022, 15:29

The ability to project any player or team has basically gone out the window.

Based on past stats of THIS league, I should have 1's across the board in hitting. I have a .299 OBP!

And yet, I actually have 34 points in hitting.

Pitching is much closer - I should have 57 points, and actually have 48.

MLB has to stop f'ing with the baseball.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 19, 2022, 16:29

92 / 97:

darkside, you will be missed. You don't have to be the loudest or most aggressive to be a valued member of the league. Life matters, so nothing but respect for your decision to concentrate on what matters most.

We welcome back Vampireweekend. After some back-and-forth about his impressions of the darkside team and a confirmation of his ability to dedicate an appropriate amount of time to the league, I have sent him a link to join, and upon his acceptance he may take immediate control of the team in all facets.

Vampireweekend - don't be shy about announcing any intentions -- buy, sell, what have you! Good luck!

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darkside
ID: 04131512
Thu, May 19, 2022, 16:37

Thanks, all, and good luck to Vampire Weekend! I hope you bring glory to the franchise.

See y’all around the boards.

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Vampireweekend
ID: 20401622
Thu, May 19, 2022, 16:39

Thanks for the best wishes and the kind words…and for taking me back.

Darkside - any time you want to consult or check in, feel free to contact me.

I am ready to go!

Please give me a day or two though before you tell me I am a complete idiot for not accepting your offer of the last player you took in the supplemental draft and a bag of magic beans for Ozzie….

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 19, 2022, 17:33

Team Species is clearly in buy mode. I am looking for Starting Pitching and potentially a closer. While I typically focus on non-to-fringe keeper types to keep the price down, I am open to anything.

I have S-picks, P-picks and prospects to offer:

Nolan Gorman is 2nd in minor league baseball in home runs and is easily one of the more valuable properties considering his production in AAA. St. Louis' existing veteran infield gives him time to hone his skills in AAA, which only makes him a clear and obvious 10th keeper next year. You don't have to wait long for him.

Anthony Volpe was a top 15 prospect on most lists. He was kept in my 9 so not on the prospect list. Some teams shouldn't care.

Luis Matos ended up in the top 40 on many lists.

Coby Mayo was a 2020 draftee with huge power at 3b for the Orioles: link

Diego Cartaya is a huge power bat at Catcher for a Dodger organization who knows how to develop players.

Greg Jones wasn't atop a lot of prospect lists, but is a huge SB guy who can get on base.

Text / email me if you have guys to consider!

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 19, 2022, 22:07

106: Also young Alek Thomas, a top 30 prospect on most lists has been up for a couple of weeks and starting his MLB career off well.

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Fosten
ID: 142371216
Fri, May 20, 2022, 10:43

Dude... darkside is good people. Writes the best baseball emails. His friendship helped me through some times. One of the greats.

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GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, May 20, 2022, 20:49

Maybe the air got thin at Fenway.

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Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, May 21, 2022, 09:24

Calling up Adley Rutschman for the first time.

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Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sun, May 22, 2022, 13:05

Sending Josh Lowe back down.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 22, 2022, 15:28

I think we had our first (and so far, only) illegal prospect pickup last week in MJ Melendez. Congrats Jon Dowd for being the first sucker.

As more prospects get called up, be sure to keep the prospect list in mind.

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Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, May 23, 2022, 08:24

Calling up Aaron Ashby

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, May 23, 2022, 11:42

I’m here sitting at 88 pitching, 48.5 hitting, so please send over your veteran hitters. Can offer youth on my regular roster, Like Jonathan India or Andres Gimenez. Or a veteran in an upgrade, like Rhys Hoskins or shortstop-eligible Eugenio Suarez. Or a closer like Romano or Kimbrel. Or prospects- strikeout machine Daniel Espino, current 10-10 club member Joey Wiemer, wunderkind shortstop Brady House, or 2023 10th keeper Nick Pratto.

Let me know what impact hitter I can get for a combination like that.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, May 24, 2022, 07:09

Looking for a dedicated closer. I have SP to trade- will trade any except Woodruff, Nola, or Luzardo. Also have picks or prospects Cristian Hernandez or Andy Pages to trade.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:41

Yesterday, MLB.com updated their Top Prospects list, and Daniel Espino ranked at #11. Espino is on the block! Looking for something that can help me win this year like an outfielder with speed or an upgrade at another position.

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GO
ID: 35231211
Tue, May 24, 2022, 15:33

Someone should let Guru know its a new requirement that you need to have lived in Delaware in order to remain in the top 4. And apparently also attended U of Delaware to be top 3. Dogfish Head trio coming for 1st!

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GO
ID: 35231211
Wed, May 25, 2022, 09:22

I was able to take that prospect list and paste it into my little notepad on My Team screen. Just another convenient place to have it. And it lets you Ctrl + F search to it nicely.

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Species
ID: 1412613
Wed, May 25, 2022, 21:35

Calling up Nolan Gorman for the first time.

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Matt G
ID: 1248185
Thu, May 26, 2022, 15:02

Sending Josh Lowe back down.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, May 26, 2022, 18:17

Trade

Dowd receives BH 12, Jon Berti
BH receives Dowd 9

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Fosten
ID: 46412292
Sun, May 29, 2022, 03:13

Calling up Roansy Contreras for the first time.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 03, 2022, 11:35

106: Ahhhhh, what a difference a few weeks makes! On May 19th my overachieving (and healthy!) group of veteran hitters and scrap heap pitchers had me in the mid-150s, including a single day where I was in first place. While in my heart I knew I was cheap Scotch masquerading in a Johnnie Walker Blue bottle, I figured I needed to at least explore 'buying'.

Now, Team Species is officially open for business.

Readily available for trade:

Jose Abreu has appeared down this year, but if you looked under the hood, Abreu's Statcast data indicates that the results have not matched up with the data that suggests he ought to be much better. Often a slow starter in the cold anyway, Abreu still has plenty to add to a team.

Giancarlo Stanton should be returning soon from a minor ankle injury. Stanton is still a complete beast. Yes, he rightfully gets dinged into a 75-100th place ranking on draft boards due to injury concerns, but the man kills it on the field. Stanton is on pace for his normal 35 HR, 100 RBI season with upside for more.

Anthony Rendon has also been identified by Statcast followers as a player whose results have not matched his expected output. A staple in a stacked Angels lineup, there is enough here to help many teams with counting stats and supportive OBP.

Jorge Mateo is a stolen base specialist. He negatively impacts your OBP. But his 13 SB to date would equate to over 40 SB over the season. If you can absorb the lesser contribution in other places, Mateo might be what you need to cement that category. I liken him to Jonathan Villar - accumulating stats / steals in an Orioles lineup in need of spark.

Joe Barlow has, I believe, been given every Rangers save chance this season. He converted every save chance he was given down the stretch in 2021 and has done well in 2022. He also contributes in ratios (1.56 ERA, 0.92 whip) and offers 9k/9 - not studly for a closer but not an impediment.

Emilio Pagan shares saves in the Twins pen, converting 7 of 10 chances. His partner in the pen has only 4 save chances. He is a reliable veteran for Manager Rocco Baldelli. Not a stud, but 2 months into the season he is a clear leader in a shared pen for saves.

I also have a stable of veteran-to-middling starting pitchers who are capable ratio stabilizers for teams in need of innings. Basically anyone not named Logan Gilbert or Jacob DeGrom on my pitching staff is available.

Less likely to be traded:

Veterans Christian Yelich and Francisco Lindor are much less available. Yelich has also been statistically unlucky, and I would rather hold and home he ascends to something between 2021 and his MVP season. Lindor is finding better footing in his 2nd year in New York and is on a strong 20/20 pace.

Young guns Ty France (great OBP, just wish the HR and counting stats were better but the Mariners just suck right now), Alek Thomas (let's see what he can do), Taylor Ward (OMG) and Nolan Gorman probably aren't going anywhere.

Anthony Volpe started slow but is racking up SB in the minors. I fully expect him to back up his top 10-15 prospect ranking by the time the season ends, so unless you value him like a top 15 prospect, I would likely rather hold and assess what to do with him later.

What am I looking for? Great question. I would consider players who can contribute sooner (probably preferred) and also later (i.e. longer term prospects). Got someone injured who should be good to go in 2023? Let's talk.

Prospect and Supplemental picks can absolutely be a part of any equation - but Abreu and Stanton for example are very unlikely to just be pick packages.

Text and email are open!

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 13:19

Looking to move voit or Votto for a similar vet at SS, 3B, or closer

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Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Jun 04, 2022, 18:16

Trade Announcement

GO receives:
Taijuan Walker
Species 2024 6th

Species receives:
Bradish
GO 2024 3rd

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taxman
ID: 12514223
Sun, Jun 05, 2022, 16:39

aaaargh

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GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Jun 05, 2022, 19:45

Trade confirmed. In the middle of a ridiculous laser light show called Coldplay.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 04:54

Trade:

BH receives:
Nelson Cruz
Starling Marte

Tosh receives:
Jonathan India
Manuel Margot

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 05:02

Daniel Espino, you’re next!

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GO
ID: 35231211
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 10:08

Species -- curious why we don't have the All Time historical standings... this is our second year on Yahoo right? I think so. So if so, see if you have "League History" option in Commish tools.

If it works, it would only have one year history, but will be nice to look at in the future.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 10:44

Ian Anderson and Ryan Mcmahon are also available for a power 3B, closer

133

GO
ID: 34025146
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 20:29

Paxton's on Boston these days? Damn... should have never traded him for Devers.

134

GO
ID: 34025146
Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 23:37

TRADE
GO receives
Kenley Jansen
WG p3

WG receives
GO p1
GO p5

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WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 01:56

Confirmed

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 10:30

I have a spreadsheet with a LOT of details through 2018.

For example, the highest point total that didn’t win or share a title was 169.5. Could you imagine?

Most HR in a season? 155 by Meatwads in 2018. Prior to 2015, BMD had the record at 240, but 5 teams passed that (and likely more since).

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Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 12:10

Trade
Guru receives from Species:
Joe Barlow, P, Tex
Emilio Pagan, P, Min

Species receives from Guru:
Mitch White, P, LAD
Max Meyer, P, Mia (prospect)

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 12:12

Confirmed

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 00:03

Been a rough couple weeks.

Trade Berti and he steals 7 in 2 weeks.

Trade India for Marte and Cruz and they both get hurt.

Have Pearl Jam tickets in Vegas on my birthday and the show gets canceled.

Thinking about picking up Albert Pujols. That’ll end well.

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GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 11:34

I don't see Nirvana cancelling shows this year. Step your game up Pearl Jam!

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 13:44

Bobo, we’re only allowed to put keepers, 10th keepers, and Covid players into IL spots. Please put Candelario and Naquin onto your regular roster or drop.

145

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 13:46

[143] “I don’t see Nirvana”

Accurate

146

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 14:28

Trade!

Thumper receives
Taylor Rogers, RP, SD
Matt Chapman, 3B, TOR

Lyman receives
Thumper’s 2023 p5
A PTBNL between prospect Andy Pages or Cristian Hernandez. Lyman must decide on one prospect by July 1, 2022

147

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 14:49

Damn! Lyman still here? Haven't heard from him in like 9 Trevor Story homeruns.

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Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 16:31

#147 - Where were you for the two weeks after the trade during which time Story was 9-for-his-last-51 with no bombs and sitting on a .204/.282/.276 triple slash line? Can't recall you coming here during that time and beating on your chest. I left it alone, but I've seen your comments since Story heated up. That's fine, I get it.

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Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 16:33

#146 - Confirmed.

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Tree
ID: 4741579
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 16:52

can we get some explanation on this deal?

i am completely baffled that the league leader in saves and one of the top 3Bs in the league (and also won't even be 30 until next season) is traded for a fringe top 75 prospect, a P5 pick, and a guy who is waiver wire fodder in 98% of the fantasy leagues?

I'll be frank - this is another one of those deals that completely affects the integrity of the league.

People are afraid to overturn deals, but this is one of those that should be overturned. just terrible.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 17:00

Prospect-wise another unnamed manager was interested in one of these prospects for a player who is higher ranked on lists than either guy I got, FWIW. Will let Lyman speak to his thoughts if he chooses

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 18:11

Matt Chapman 2022 rank: 224. Gleyber Torres 2022 rank: 240.

While I agree that Thumper got a great deal, I don’t see it as lopsided as that. Lyman basically got a prospect and a pick to keep him. Compare that to WG’s first round p pick for Kenley. First of all, I’ve got Kenley ahead of Rogers+Chapman. You might not, but I do.

If Pages or Hernandez was in the 2023 p draft, there’s a good chance they’d be off the board before WG picks at 17. So Lyman, who realizes he has few suitors (all the contenders just traded for closers), decides to take the great prospect while he can.

Again, Thumper wins this in my mind, but I think some of the criticism isn’t thinking through this.

153

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 18:14

#150

The market on closers was set ahead of my trading Rogers.

1. Kenley and a P3 for GO's P1 (almost a certainty to be a very late first rounder) and a P5

2. Barlow & Pagan for Guru's Max Meyer

I offered Rogers a couple weeks ago in a 3-for-1 proposal to Guru that would have brought back an MLB keeper to me. After a day or two of consideration, Guru respectfully declined. I perused his prospects. I'm not a big Heliot Ramos fan. Meyer is having arm issues. Taj Bradley was a savvy P-pick but I don't want another TB starter because I have reservations about how the Rays will use him, what with all their starting pitching. So I felt I didn't have an avenue with Guru in which to make a trade where I was getting back something of considerable value.

I sense hard feelings with GO, so I didn't bother making an offer there.

Blue Hen didn't want or need Rogers, nor Chapman.

I did offer Rogers to Species in a proposed blockbuster a few weeks ago, but pulled back my offer when Taylor Ward got injured.

As for Matt Chapman - he can go blow a pack of goats, for all I care. I traded for him the season after he went gonzo and hit 36 homers. His G20 3B ranks since then have been 37th in 2020, 14th in 2021 and 22nd this year while in a hitter's paradise and an All-Star packed lineup. I listed him here as available in April and never got a single trade offer for him. I'm not sure how Chapman qualifies as "one of the top 3B in the league," but after three years of this nonsense, and with no plans of keeping him in 2023, along with no trade offers for him, I was satisfied to get some future value in a P5 for him.

So, broken down, the deal is ...

Taylor Rogers for Andy Pages or Cristian Hernandez
and
Matt Chapman for a P5 so I can protect Andy Pages or Cristian Hernandez

I think if you compare that deal with those listed above, you'll see that I got fair market value in return for a closer. If you don't agree, then I guess you probably value Pages and Hernandez differently than I do. I'm not sure how landing possibly the biggest power bat in MiLB in Pages (also a high BB percentage), or a kid in Hernandez, who some are saying is the next Arod or Machado, is dramatically worse than a pitcher currently dealing with arm trouble (sorry, Species) or a late first round P-pick. And that's not in any way a commentary on those previous deals, just my own valuation of prospects, which I'd like to think I have a pretty good track record on. But, yeah, I think most experts would disagree that Pages and Hernandez are merely fringe top-75 prospects when the 2023 season begins. Especially for OBP leagues.

As far as the inclusion of Garrett Hampson, he is not part of the deal and was included by Thumper only to make an official trade proposal in Yahoo. I was not seeking Hampson and will be dropping him pronto. So don't think I'm so stupid that I would be seduced into making a deal because Hampson was a part of it.

Feel free to vote on the deal. I agree that deals that should go scrutinized pass without any objections often in this league.

154

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 19:28

Calling up MJ Melendez for the first time.

155

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 19:39

Looking to move 2-3 of Ozuna, McMahon, Ian Anderson for a competent OF bat. OBP and power preferred, age doesn’t matter. Will include p or s picks as needed based on value.

156

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 20:30

Its solid prospects for rental players. Seems pretty straightforward.

And closers need an even more crappy valuation than rental. They are like an Airbnb.

157

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 23:56

Fosten's June Sale
Buy these 9 amazing keepers today.

Pitchers...
- Mitch Keller, SP, PIT
- Matt Manning, SP, DET
- Patrick Sandoval, SP, LAA

Outfielders...
- Trevor Larnach, OF, MIN
- Jesús Sánchez, OF, MIA
- Anthony Santander, OF, BAL

Injuries...
- Michael Conforto OF, NYM
- Steven Matz, SP, STL
- Marcus Stroman SP, CHC

158

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 15:34

Demoting Adley Rutschman.

Calling up Edward Cabrera.

159

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 16:23

TRADE

WG gets Lucas Giolito and Gio Urshela
Bobo gets Garrett Whitlock, Alex Faedo, Juan Yepez

160

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 16:56

OTB
JD Martinez, Tyler Stephenson, Myles Straw, Jesus Aguilar, Vinnie Pasquantino, Jonah Heim, Robbie Ray, Lance Lynn, Madison Bumgarner, Alex Cobb, David Robertson, Dany Jimenez, Colin Poche+Jason Adam, all prospects

161

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 00:51

Well... if I am trying to make a push i can't wait 2 months on Walker Buehler. So if you are rebuilding and have a few pieces to package for a young ace.., here we go! SP (or two) and an OF would probably be where I start.

162

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Jun 12, 2022, 13:41

Also willing to trade Luzardo or a closer for that OF bat

163

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 11:00

THREE WAY TRADE

WG gets:
- Nick Senzel
- Diego Castillo
- His own 2023 9th back from BH

Lyman gets:
- Daniel Espino (p)

BH gets:
- Luis Castillo
- Joey Gallo
- Vidal Brujan (p)
- His own 2023 7th back from WG

Species, need your help with logistics.

164

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 11:12

#163 - Confirmed

165

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 13:14

163: Great trade!

FYI to the league -- this trade will happen in 2 stages. The L. Castillo/Gallo to bh side will happen for D. Castillo and Senzel.

Once that closes, Lyman will trade D. Castillo / Senzel to WG for his 2 drops. WG does not mind the extra day or two for these logistics.

Any votes to veto the entirety should be cast upon Part I that just consummated on Yahoo.

166

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 13:20

PS - I have received a few sniffs on Stanton and Rendon. Assets that interest me include prospects, P + S picks and even injured players coming back later in the year / next year.

167

Tree
ID: 4741579
Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 13:54

Several players on the block, including Julio Urias. I've got an abundance of front line starters, and am looking to add some hitters, particularly CIs and possibly OFs.

168

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 00:36

I need some steals. Please help.

169

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 12:34

For disclosure, re: 163

Instead of another trade between WG and Lyman, which would have pigeonholed them for 2 more days, I have done the moves manually.

Note: WG chose to drop Senzel.

170

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 14:01

Thank you, commish!

171

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 14:26

Promoting thee Michael Harris II for the first time.

172

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 07:41

Calling up E. Duran for the first time.

173

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 09:11

#1 prospect Corbin Carroll is available only for the single best MLB player I can get (1, not multiple players). I won’t be actively shopping, but I’ve had several inquiries.

174

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 10:08

Trade:

Tree receives:
Giancarlo Stanton
Luis Matos (Prospect)

Species receives:
Julio Urias

175

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 10:35

Confirmed.

176

GO
ID: 34025146
Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 09:06

Trade
GO acquires Pivetta and DK 12th
Donkey acquires GO 4th

177

GO
ID: 34025146
Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 09:08

Still looking to buy one more SP... i will send back Hendricks if you are worried about IP minimums.

178

DK6000
ID: 143432019
Sat, Jun 18, 2022, 18:07

176: confirmed

179

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Jun 21, 2022, 19:23

I'm looking for some starting pitching. Mediocre is fine, as I am offering mediocrity in return. Here are some available players that might be of use.

OF Trent Grisham (overall numbers are gross but the 25-year old has picked it up in June, batting leadoff for second consecutive day)

3B Josh Donaldson (respectable .332 OBP, batting in 2-hole tonight for high-powered Yanks)

1B Ji-Man Choi (ranked #192 with .381 OBP in only 154 middle-of-the-order at-bats)

OF Myles Straw (ranked #265 with 11 SB, usually batting leadoff for the Tribe)

180

Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 11:20

Sending down Detmers for first time.

181

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 15:56

Trade Announcement

GO Receives
Ian Anderson, SP, ATL

Thumper Receives
WG’s 2022 p3 through GO

182

GO
ID: 24512315
Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 16:01

Yeah sure, lets do it.

183

Tree
ID: 4741579
Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 10:24

sending down EZ Duran for the first time.

185

GO
ID: 34025146
Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 08:34

So... xray of a fractured thumb says I'm looking for an OF.

186

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 13:42

Trade Announcement

WG gets:
Andres Gimenez
Joey Wiemer (p)

BH gets:
JD Martinez

187

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 14:05

confirmed

189

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 15:47

Trade Announcement

DK6000 gets:
Jon Dowd 2023 s4

JD gets:
DK 2023 s14
Seranthony Dominguez

190

DK6000
ID: 143432019
Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 16:01

Confirmed

191

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 18:30

TRADE

WG gets Alfonso Rivas and Tree's 2023 s4
Tree gets David Robertson and WG's 2023 s14

192

DK6000
ID: 143432019
Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 19:01

Confirmed

193

Tree
ID: 16542921
Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 22:04

Confirmed.

194

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 12:31

Are there any picks included in that Josh Donaldson trade between Thumpers and Lyman?

195

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 13:38

Update to <146> Lyman texted me that he has chosen to take prospect Cristian Hernande

Re <194>- no picks in the Eflin/Donaldson trade

196

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 14:18

That's not true. In the Donaldson deal, I'm sending my 1st round supp pick to Thumper and he's sending me his his 4th round supp pick.

Confirmed regarding Cristian Hernandez.

197

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 16:09

Since I don't know if Guru's question was simply for the record or more pointed, out of respect I'll try to account for what I thought was a pretty insignificant deal. Essentially, I have 5 guys with 3B eligibility in Wander, Paredes, Tork, Burger and Donaldson. That's a lot of third baseman. I value the first 4 way more than I value a 36-year-old Donaldson, who hasn't gotten it going in three months and June was his worst of the season. I find him to be unplayable and just another bat clogging up the bottom of my roster. I actually have more 3B's than I do SP's, of which I have four - two of which are on rookie innings pitched limits. I placed an advertisement here about 10 days ago, specifically shopping Donaldson and others for a "mediocre starting pitcher." Nobody called. I looked thru the whole lot of teams and couldn't find an obvious fit or taker so I made no offers. Thumper came along and offered Eflin. I've never owned Eflin so I have no history with him. From what I understand he's eligible to return for the IL in 10 days and received a Cortisone (Miracle) shot for a knee bruise. Maybe I get 60-to-75 mediocre 2nd half innings from him? If it doesn't work out it only cost me possibly my next drop in Donaldson. Right now Eflin is ranked 460 overall in our league and Donaldson is ranked 446. What am I going to do, get fussy about upgrading a mid-round pick by one round and gain some great advantage? The haggle doesn't seem worth the hassle. Thus, no picks involved in the Donaldson/Eflin deal.

198

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 09:12

Species, bunch of trades missing from constitution

199

Guru
ID: 29629212
Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 13:29

[197] I was just curious. No preconceived value judgment.

200

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 20:52

Looking for an upgraded SS or OF with a good OBP. Looking to move Ozuna, a 3B, picks and/or prospect Andy Pages

201

Jon Dowd
ID: 7628313
Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 14:28

Trade Announcement:

JD trades Alex Verdugo, DJ LeMahieu and a 2023 s5

Vampire Weekend trades Michael Taylor, Liam Hendriks and a 2023 s4

202

Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 14:30

Confirmed

203

Tree
ID: 4741579
Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 14:50

Sal Perez is on the block. Yes, he's on the DL. Yes, he's still a top catcher in MLB. (2nd in HRs, 4th in Ribbies, and 10th in runs, despite being on the shelf for now.)

But it's time to move him for pieces that can help my team now.

204

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 18:10

Speaking of Royals, I’m looking to pair home run machine Edward Olivares with one of my other hitters for a better hitter. Please reach out if you have something in mind.

205

Tree
ID: 4741579
Mon, Jul 04, 2022, 12:21

calling up Jarren Duran for the first time.

206

DK6000
ID: 20640810
Fri, Jul 08, 2022, 11:40

Calling up Riley Greene for the first time

207

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 11:22

No picks in the Correa - Mullins/Luzardo trade

208

DK6000
ID: 143432019
Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 12:00

Mullins/Correa trade confirmed

209

DK6000
ID: 143432019
Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 12:23

Mullins/Correa trade confirmed

210

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 23:40

Yesterday was my first day over 150. It might be a high water mark, so it seems like a good time to take stock of the season.

Obviously, things have been pretty good. The keepers have been great, with great seasons for Schwarber, Verlander, Cole, Romano, and Hoskins. Bregman and Gleyber are coming around too. Jonathan India never really got started but was an important trade chip. 10th keeper Josiah Gray has also been quite good.

The prospect draft was a major boon, with Yorke, Wiemer, and Espino netting Castillo, JD Mart, Merrifield, Gallo, and likely 10th keeper Vidal Brujan. Pratto and Robert Suarez look to be 10th keepers as well. And Brady House has a very bright future.

And the draft itself was perhaps my best ever, with Gallen, Suarez, Bednar and Kimbrel all playing major roles, and Andres Gimenez playing well before the major trade.

Obviously, this was the year to go for it and that’s what I did. Guru and Thumper will be hard to catch, and GO and Tree are hanging around. Thank goodness power players like WG, Species, and Lyman aren’t contending.

Here’s to a great season. Let me know if Hoskins+Gray+House+Cruz gets me a better first baseman. Good luck to all!

211

GO
ID: 24512315
Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 16:14

Pretty sure hanging around is being generous, more like Free Fallin... since Buehler, Bryce, Kenley in a row... and Montas... and Profar carted off... and Cron, Devers and Witt now all missing games this week. Almost comical.

212

GO
ID: 34025146
Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 20:51

I guess Story felt left out.

Players for sale! Who wants some starting pitching and some closers?! Maybe a flex hitter for your bench?

213

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 23:58

198: Trades updated in Constitution and Draft Grid

214

GO
ID: 34025146
Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 20:45

Trades pending outcome of Storys hand, thanks for inquiries. I still don't trust a negative xray or MRI, isn't that what Franco had originally?

215

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 03:49

Species, still missing the Berti deal. Since it’s not in the constitution and he never confirmed, can we just negate it?

216

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 12:35

(putting it here to remind me....I can't post to constitution on this computer)

Trade

Dowd receives BH 12, Jon Berti
BH receives Dowd 9

217

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 15:35

I’m always looking for additions/upgrades/talking shop if anyone is interested!

218

Lyman
ID: 290311615
Sun, Jul 17, 2022, 13:00

Demoting Torkelson to minors.

219

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 14:17

I have some assets that have solidified themselves as useful pieces for contenders down the stretch:

Jorge Mateo -- Qualifies at 2b/SS/OF for a great filler for off days and missed games from your starters. Posted a respectable .310 OBP with 14 runs, 3 HR and 6 steals over the past 30 days.

Cole Irvin -- durable innings eater with supportive ratios of 3.34 ERA and 0.90 WHIP over the last 30 days. Not a striktout guy, but someone to use to stabilize / help your ratios.

Jake Odorizzi -- back healthy and pitching for the mighty Astros. Good for wins and Ks with reasonable ratios.

David Peterson -- breakout for the Mets with a 2.78 ERA, 1.14 WHIP and 49 Ks in 30.1 innings over the last 30 days. Over the season he is 3.24 / 1.24 with 84ks in 72.1 IP.

I have Corey Knebel if he returns to the closer role. He has found his groove with a 1.86 ERA and 1.03 WHIP over the last 30 days.

Seeking picks for these guys. Happy to take 2024 picks, but like in the NFL when you trade for a 2nd one year you usually give up a 1st in a subsequent year........so I am happy to kick the can out another year in exchange for another round of value.

If you are feeling really frisky, you could inquire about:

Jose Abreu -- Abreu has beasted out this year and showing no signs of slowing down. .387 obp with 11 HR, 52 runs and 46 RBI ytd. He is even better over the last 30 days at .432 obp, 2 HR, 18 runs and 14 RBI.

Christian Yelich -- Yelich is not the 2019 MVP superman anymore, but he is an OBP/R/SB beast with a .406 OBP, 18 runs and 3 sb over the past 30 days (and 13 sb for the season).

These guys are strong keepers, so no pick offers are going to get them. I would be most tempted by ascending prospects or perhaps injured keepers of equal standing.

220

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Jul 22, 2022, 12:12

Adding Reid Detmers for second time.

221

Tree
ID: 4741579
Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 09:24

sending down J. Duran for the first time.

Calling up Adley Rutschman for the second time

222

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Mon, Jul 25, 2022, 08:15

Calling up Josh Lowe for the 2nd time

223

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 14:23

Calling up Jose Miranda for the 2nd time

225

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 21:34

Looking for a high OBP bat at any position, slight OF preference. Will move picks, p picks, a prospect, McMahon, ozuna, or Votto

226

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 22:18

Looking to package a combination of:
- Rhys Hoskins
- Josiah Gray
- Nelson Cruz
- David Bednar
- Brady House (p)

… for the best hitter it’ll get me. Looking for one more solid bat.

227

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 11:41

Calling up Bryson Stott

228

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jul 28, 2022, 16:12

Trade:

BH receives:
Jorge Mateo
2023 Species 9th

Species receives:
James Karinchak
2023 BH 7th

229

Species
ID: 1412613
Thu, Jul 28, 2022, 21:40

Confirmed

230

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 09:26

Calling up Josh Lowe for the 2nd time

231

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 21:18

Calling up Josh Lowe for the 2nd time

232

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 16:45

TRADE

WG Receives
Gary Sanchez
His own 2023 p3 back

Thumper receives
Jonah Heim
Alex Cobb

233

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 16:49

confirmed

234

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 21:53

Still on the hunt for an impact OBP bat regardless of age

235

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 10:59

For those who are losing their closer’s entire value due to total trade deadline luck today, just remember that wouldn’t be the case in a saves + holds format. Your league mates who are closest to the keyboard get a nice free bonus on this day each season

236

Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 20:49

As one of those people - and even before todays action, I completely agree. There should not be a category with so much dependence on quickest to the news/keyboard.

237

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Aug 02, 2022, 23:03

Trade

BH gets: Mike Clevinger
Nerf gets: David Bednar

238

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 03:01

Confirmed

239

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 06:46

Ryan Helsley on the block for a bat

240

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 10:54

Looking for a closer and a SP. Value offered depends on quality, but would most likely be offering s or p picks. Inquire within.

241

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Aug 03, 2022, 18:11

Lance Lynn, SP otb. Pitched a gem today. Likely upcoming schedule: KC, Det, Hou, Bal, Ari, Min, Oak.

242

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 12:28

Anyone who thinks closers are gotten by being at a keyboard when news happens probably isn’t actually playing in G20. Closers are picked up on spec, usually a week before the news. Jonathan Hernandez was owned a week before his first save, and a month before by another owner. Devin Williams has been owned all year. Rowan Wick has largely been owned all year and was most recently added two weeks before the deadline. Same with Felix Bautista.

The exception is the Angels, where both candidates were picked up two of the three managers with the most moves, but several hours later.

Key takeaway: if you want closers, pay attention and make moves. It has nothing to do with being faster to the keyboard.

Meanwhile, the guy who’s second in holds is a guy I hadn’t heard of until last week. You guys claim that doing research is really hard- if you really feel that way, you’re going to hate saves+holds.

243

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 12:29

Justin Verlander and Gerrit Cole are on the block. Looking for a similarly valued hitter or two.

244

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 19:30

Trade announcement

Guru receives:
Will Crowe
Felix Bautista
Tax Cuts' 14th rnd s-pick in 2023

TaxCuts receives:
Michael Fulmer
Guru's 4th rnd s-pick in 2023

245

taxman
ID: 52672122
Thu, Aug 04, 2022, 19:35

re:244 Confirmed

246

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 16:36

Trade announcement:

Nerfherders gets
Matt Olson
Yu Darvish
Ryan McMahon

Thumpers gets
Freddie Freeman
Blake Snell
Patrick Wisdom

247

Thumqer
ID: 526141516
Fri, Aug 05, 2022, 16:42

Confirmed, Olson and Freeman will now forever be linked in G20 too

249

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 08:04

Trade
GO gets Guru's s3 in 2023
Guru gets GO's s7 in 2023 and Taijuan Walker

250

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 08:06

More useful pieces for sale - Arreaz, Profar, Cron, Canha... Kenley, Gibson, Ian Anderson, Pivetta.

251

Guru
ID: 29629212
Sun, Aug 07, 2022, 08:18

[249] confirmed

252

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 09:32

Trade

GO Receives
thumper’s 2023 s4

Thumper receives
Jurickson Profar
GO’s 2023 s7

253

Tree
ID: 4741579
Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 10:33

Trade Announcement

Tree receivers
Kenley Jansen
Luis Arraez

GO receives
prospect Luis Matos
Last round prospect pick
Lewin Diaz
Carl Edwards

254

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 22:09

Confirmed.

255

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 10:41

A piece of clarity on the prospect rules surrounding callups.

- One 'call-up' includes the right to send that player back down
- We get 2 complete call-ups per player
- Once 2 call-ups have completed, that prospect can remain on the prospect list through the offseason
- That player is still eligible to be brought to your majors -- but he is ineligible to ever be sent down again

Players that fit this criteria currently include Adley Rutschman, Jose Miranda and Josh Lowe. Of course, to be eligible for '10th keeper' status, they must be below 300 total AB and 110ip/40gp for pitchers.

256

Matt G
ID: 25742159
Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 10:42

Josh Lowe sent down for the final time.

257

Matt G
ID: 25742159
Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 10:48

Anyone looking for some young former top prospects that haven't hit their stride yet?

Looking to move Joey Bart and Alex Kirilloff...

Looking for late-round Prospect picks or middle-round Supplemental.

258

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 10:51

Still looking to add a veteran player, probably an OBP-RBI type bat at any position

259

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 10:19

Two players are available, possibly for picks: Esteury Ruiz, who has 64 SB in the minors this year, and Bubba Thompson, who had 49. If you’ve got a need for speed, let’s talk.

Also offering up Rhys Hoskins and a pitcher (Mike Clevinger? Josiah Gray? Justin Verlander?) fir the best first baseman or outfielder I can get.

260

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Aug 17, 2022, 11:42

OTB looking to consolidate/improve: Vinnie Pasquantino, Josh Bell (.370 obp), Tommy Edman (ranked 73, 24 sb), Nico Hoerner (.352 obp, 13 sb), Vaughn Grissom, Tyler Stephenson, Ezequiel Tovar (#11 overall prospect Fantrax), Shea Langeliers (#1 A's prospect MLB.com), Lance Lynn (easy upcoming schedule), Jonathan Hernandez (Rangers closer), Jason Adam (last 2 TB saves), all prospects.

261

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 08:55

Calling up Baty

262

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 14:40

Also looking to acquire p picks for either players or s picks. Let me know if you’d be willing to trade yours.

263

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Aug 18, 2022, 17:22

Adding Lucas Giolito to the list from 260. Lost season but only 28 and 10+ k/9.

264

Species
ID: 1412613
Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 10:23

NOTE: Our trade deadline is tomorrow, August 25th.

Our Constitution notes that our trade deadline will fall on the last date in August that I'd available on our host website. That date is tomorrow!

It has been a great duel this summer as Thumper and Guru have gone back and forth, not only in the standings but also on the trading front! Best of luck to both down the stretch.

I have been a bit lax in my administrative duties....but will take some time to ascertain how teams are doing in their endeavors to meet minimum GP and IP and provide the appropriate nudges.

265

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 13:46

Looking to get silly and add an OBP bat and/or arm. My p1 or prospect Andy pages, or some MLB players on the block

266

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 22:44

Fosten receives
2023 4th round p-pick
2023 5th round s-pick
GO's 2023 7th round s-pick

Thumqer receives
Anthony Santander, OF, BAL
Marcus Stroman SP, CHC
2023 8th round s-pick
DK's 2023 9th round s-pick

267

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 22:44

Confirmed!

268

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 15:54

Trade Announcement

WG receives
WG's 2023 7th round s-pick
WG's 2023 8th round s-pick
2024 12th round s-pick
2024 13th round s-pick

Fosten receives
2023 12th round s-pick
2023 13th round s-pick
2024 7th round s-pick
2024 8th round s-pick

If anybody else is interested in fun pick swaps, I'm always in.

269

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 16:03

268: I support doing this pick swap that is immaterial to the outcome of the 2022 season.

Objections may be posted here.

270

GO
ID: 27492217
Fri, Aug 26, 2022, 16:18

Closer depth chart a neat little new tool from Yahoo...

271

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 01:01

Hi folks!

I’m up to 152.5, so of course I need to post here because it might be the high water mark. Also, the trade deadline is past, so I can’t even give you a commercial.

Sure, I’m more than 20 points back, but I just walk to say that 1. I like my team, and 2. This has probably been the most fun season I’ve had in G20.

Obviously, I’ve worked hard to get my team where it is, and it’s paid off, mostly. I’m here above 150, and have a lineup well suited to address my weaknesses. I’m down to 5/20 in OBp, but I have an OBP heavy lineup and expect to gain there in the next month. JD Martinez and Kyle Schwarber are getting on base again, and Hoskins, Marte, and Suarez never really stopped. And Bregman has been on fire. Here’s hoping.

The season has been fun for a few reasons. My favorite player signing with my favorite team, becoming a top 30 player and pushing both my fantasy and real teams to new heights? Hard to beat. And watching several draft picks hit has been great. Zac Gallen, Eugenio Suarez, David Bednar, Andres Gimenez, and Craig Kimbrel, all extremely solid hits. I can’t remember the last time I had 5 picks that good in a draft. And the p draft was nearly flawless, even without a first rounder. I traded 3 prospects in key trades, and still have what looks like 3 10th keepers and a top 30 prospect in hand. And any season where you trade for Starling Marte, JD Martinez and Luis Castillo (plus Whit Merrifield), you know it was fun.

Just a shame 3 other teams have picked it up this year. Tree’s managed extremely well this year, Thumper always doing, and Guru is producing as well. And it’s always fun seeing Lyman, Species and WG do interesting things when they aren’t near the top. So all of that’s good, and probably offsets BMD’s bad luck. He’s a great manager, hate to see a year like this for him.

Here’s to a great finish. See you in October to talk about Justin Verlander and Mike Soroka!

272

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 11:55

Looks like BH broke the thread when he edited it last night. I think (hope) I have repaired it successfully.

273

GO
ID: 27492217
Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 18:38

More importantly BH, what % of this league is going to Pearl Jam in Camden in two weeks? I'm trying to make it at least 10%. We should buy Thumqer a ticket.

274

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 22:15

Sorry Guru. It hung while posting then posted 5 times, which I deleted. Looks like my attempts to delete any record of trading Jon Berti have been foiled. Thanks for fixing.

GO, we’re at at least 5%, although I’m not counting my chickens before they hatch with PJ shows anymore. Last one was canceled two days before.

275

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 09:34

Who needs PJ when you have Twenty One Pilots?!

276

GO
ID: 27492217
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 10:35

Well, considering I do actually have tix in hand for that, at this moment G20 representation will be higher this Friday in Philly :)

277

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 14:51

Who needs Pearl Jam or Twenty One Pilots (never even heard of them) after just seeing the Brian Jonestown Massacre a couple months ago, and with true rock bands in Amyl and the Sniffers and L7 on tap in September and October?

278

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 15:39

Who needs PJ, 21P, BJM, and other rock bands when you're seeing Weird Al in NYC in October??

279

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 16:25

LOL Nothing wrong with keeping it Weird!

I like the cheap shows with an element of danger. Never know when Anton is going to pick a fight on stage with one of his hired BJM bandmates, or L7's Donita Sparks is going to fling her used tampon at someone in the crowd if they give her some lip. And Amyl and the Sniffers are so dangerous that whenever I mention their name to the uninitiated they think I'm saying Anal and the Sniffers! Truly a badass band and fronted by a wound-up little firecracker of a tomboy.

Pearl Jam's "Ten" turned 31 over the weekend. I still like that record, especially side 2, but they settled right into predictability after that, in my honest opinion. I'd probably go see them in a club for 40 bucks, but these days the stadium shows kinda bore this old snob.

280

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 19:22

Promoting Corbin Carroll for the 1st time

281

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 22:26

@Go and @bluehen I sold my tickets last week; was gonna go but I am taking the family to the beach the following week. And didn’t wanna risk Covid!

282

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 00:18

Fun fact: Weird Al is from Delaware. He used to play Kahunaville when that existed a few times a year.

MattG, I’m disappointed. You probably had good seats too!

283

Matt G
ID: 25742159
Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 16:27

Blue Hen, actually no... In 2020 for that tour I had GA (pit) for all Phx, SD, LA and the Baltimore shows. I had a west coast trip planned was going to fly to phx, drive to SD, then LA then fly home before the Baltimore show as my last hurrah before fatherhood. Unfortunately, when Covid hit and everything tanked I sold all my tickets besides Baltimore thinking I'll just buy them again and wanted the cash to build a nursery.

So I missed out on those shows, then Balt. was canceled, so I tried to re-up for the east coast shows and only got Camden Lawn, which was fine. Then I bought 4 more tickets for the lawn as friends were going to go with me.

Long story short my friends canceled for some dumb reason (kids or something) so I sold my extra 4 tickets, then I held onto my 2 fan club lawn tickets just in case but the family decided to go on vacation, AND work literally booked me this morning to go to Montreal the same week as PJ and I cannot say no. So it wasn't meant to be.

I've seen them 26 times now I think, last show was Fenway 2018. However, I did see the Cornell tribute in LA in 2019 which was fantastic basically all but Ed. That may be my last show unless they are still touring when the kid is old enough and covid isn't such a giant risk everytime I'm around more than 5 people.

enjoy the show!

284

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 21:41

Wow, I had no idea. I hereby forgive you for all the times you bettered me in a trade in g20.

I was excited to see them on my birthday in Vegas- that was a gut punch.

To bad the trade deadline is over- GO and I could plan a doozy during the concert.

285

Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 12:33

Not up to 26 but I am getting there…one of the la forum shows and upcoming Oklahoma City in September so far for this go around.

286

GO
ID: 27492217
Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 16:24

Now the question is why wants my extra pair of Twenty One Pilots tickets? Some critics say they are the best current live act in music... come judge for yourself!

On a baseball note, nice to see all my hitters return from various hand injuries. Maybe someone should invent battling gloves that protect fingers and wrists better.

287

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Thu, Sep 01, 2022, 10:17

Sending Baty down first time

288

Tree
ID: 4741579
Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 08:30

all those lame bands mentioned above.

I saw Wet Leg earlier this week.

Considering they've only done a couple dozen US dates in their young career, I was excited to see them, and they did not disappoint.

289

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Sep 03, 2022, 13:37

288

The idea that you refer to Death as your favorite Detroit band but then, in Amyl and the Sniffers, dismiss as "lame" the best band to come out of Australia since the Cosmic Psychos in favor of a weak-ass indie band will make me laugh all weekend, and I have a whole extra day on Monday to do so.

Amy from Amyl and the Sniffers could kick the asses of both those girls in Wet Leg and all of their male bandmates with both of her hands tied behind her back and using only her head and her feet.

290

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Sep 06, 2022, 22:13

Back to baseball. Not sure which of you has the voodoo magic but please stop using it on my team. Can’t seem to buy a point in OBP.

291

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 11:53

AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!

Thumper and Guru have been swapping 1st and 2nd for weeks now. While Thumper has jumped to a big lead relative to recent weeks, those new points can be lost just as quickly. Good luck to both down the stretch.

I have awoken from hibernation to update the Constitution. I believe all of the trades are entered, and our sample grids are up to date too. However, GO and Thumper have traded the same pick twice. Please see below and correct whenever you can.

NOTE: 249 / 252 - Great One traded his 7th twice. He can rectify this by mutual agreement with one of the parties for an adjustment, or by replacing one of those 7ths with another.

NOTE: 252 / 266 - Thumper traded his 4th twice. Same rules apply as above.

Now, a little update on team GP and IP pace. By my quick math, basically 85% of the season is over, so teams should have:

1375 GP by year end = 1169 GP pace at this point
- Donkey Kong has only 1051
- Code has only 1115
- Matt G, Bobo and Fosten have between 1170 and 1180, so don't lose sight of GP!

1200 IP by year end = 1020 IP pace at this point
- It pleases me that everyone is on pace. Lyman is the lowest at 1023 at Bobo is 1035 so keep an eye on your innings.

I commend everyone for their roster / game management throughout the year. It makes a difference in a tight race!!!!

292

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Sep 11, 2022, 19:10

Officially waving the white flag. I’ll try like heck to pass Tree but I can’t catch the leaders. Fortunately, looks like my record of 194 roto points will live another year.

As I said this was a fun year. Good luck Guru and Thumper!

293

GO
ID: 27492217
Mon, Sep 12, 2022, 14:39

I can just give Guru my 6th back? would that help?

294

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 15:08

No Thumqer double dip on 252/266. That's a 4th round s-pick on 252, and a 4th round p-pick on 266.

295

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Sep 25, 2022, 18:23

[293] Seems like I should be OK with that resolution.

296

Species
ID: 1412613
Tue, Sep 27, 2022, 08:45

ONE WEEK TO GO!!!!

There have been two ties in G20 history -- our first year in 2003 and later in 2011.

2011 was also the last time we have had 2 teams fighting it out in the 175+ point range for the title. 165 or better is usually a cakewalk.

Why do we have these stupid minimums?!?

This is why.....when 2 teams have left the pack and at times go back and forth in the same night, it is because other teams are still putting up stats:

HR: Taxman, blue hen and Tosh all have slight leads over Thumper
RBI: Taxman is 2 rbi ahead and Tree 10 ahead while blue hen is only 2 rbi behind
SB: Guru leads but Dowd and Lyman are 1 behind and bmd is 2 behind. Thumper is only 2 behind them!

Every counting stats can count!! Thank you for your attention and diligence, and best of luck to Guru and Thumper!

297

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Sep 27, 2022, 14:16

And I'm also just 0.0002 behind Guru in OBP.

298

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 14:48

The stress is grueling!

299

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 15:28

Even though he didn’t trade for a stud like Gleyber Torres, (#7 overall last month), Tree is up to 163. He has a shot but it’ll take a miracle. I’m impressed.

300

Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 09:09

Even though he didn’t trade for a stud like Gleyber Torres, (#7 overall last month),

you repeatedly tried to pry Bo Bichette - #3 overall last month - from me.

(but i do appreciate the compliment).

301

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 12:27

To be fair, Bichette had not yet had his awesome month which we both obviously saw coming.

302

Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Oct 01, 2022, 04:43

Sending Nolan Gorman down for the first time.

Good luck Thumper and Guru!!

303

Tree
ID: 16542921
Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 00:32

Sending Edward Cabrera down for the second time.

304

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Oct 02, 2022, 13:23

Promoting CJ Abrams for the first time.

305

Fosten
ID: 1892415
Tue, Oct 04, 2022, 16:02

Sending Roansy Contreras down for the first time.

306

Thumqer
ID: 526141516
Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 10:07

It really is coming down to the last day. Ahh!

307

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 21:41

Well played, Thumper. You deserved the win.

Frankly, I did not expect to have so much success this season. Coming out of the draft, I was hoping for a respectable season, maybe even a top-6 finish if things went well. Last year I finished tied for 10th, with 108 points.

So when I got off to a fast start, I kept waiting for things to reverse - but my team held up pretty well for most of the season. The last 5-6 weeks were not so good, with a few slumps and injuries from multiple key players. I was just happy to be able to keep the pressure on. Every time Thumper threatened to pull away, I managed hang in well enough to close the gap. But I definitely felt like I was in chase mode for the final month, and probably working harder - and taking more risks - than I had to for most of the season.

Regardless, no regrets.

Looking forward to next year.

308

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Oct 05, 2022, 23:10

Congrats Thumper. You are hard to beat at this game. From the early moments of the p draft, it was clear you had some deals on you, and you drafted about as well as possible. And your work on the wire is similarly great. Kind of like Ohtani, does a whole lot of stuff as well as anyone. You already had a target on your back, but it’s much bigger now.

Congrats to Tree and Guru on great seasons. While I don’t always agree with both of you on player evaluations or playing style, you definitely made it work this year. Tree, in particular, had an impressive performance and the plan almost worked. Glad I’m picking in front of all three of you next year.

Congrats to Dowd and WG for dominant wins in dealing with me this year. “Who could have seen this?” has been a common refrain for both Berti and JDMart.

Congrats to me for believing in Kyle Schwarber for 7 years, finishing up as #10 overall. And also Justin Verlander, who finished #3 overall. And for bringing back Joey Gallo, although I guess that one didn’t work out so well. Overall, I think this is my first 4th place finish.

Congrats to Great One for securing a great draft pick after competing so late into the season.

Congrats to WG for turning the franchise around in a year.

Congrats to Species for getting a bit younger at just the right time.

Congrats to Lyman, who is officially my 2023 dark horse.

Thanks for a great season everyone. Bo Naylor is available for a mid-round pick!

309

MattG
ID: 4894067
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 08:40

Congrats Thumper and to all the money winners. I was hoping to get close to top 10 but covid, travel, work and the kid took priority so I didn't have as much energy/time down the stretch to really make a difference. I like my core just need to get some additional help. I did hit the IP limit but I think I missed the games limit for batters due to a rash of injuries.

I'll be back next year.

310

Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 08:55

Congrats Thumper - great win. this is always a tough league to win - even though it's a marathon, it really always feels like one VERY long sprint!

kudos to Guru for giving you a run for your money for much of the season.

proud of my team - i believe that's the second straight season of 160+ points and finishing in third place. gotta figure out what i need to do to make it over that hump.

311

Thumqer
ID: 526141516
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 10:14

Thanks! This has been the most intense, grueling, back-and-forth roto season I've personally experienced. Much of that is due to the great year Guru had. Guru kept making the right calls and it was clear he wasn't going to slow down much if at all. Lots of respect to Guru, I'm going to remember this battle for a long time. We were trading leads for the entire 2nd half, and it was a matter of who got hot at the right time. Tree had a very slow start but was very good in the 2nd half. BH Had a better team than I think the score showed.

There are so many good managers and grinders in this league - G20 is the greatest fantasy baseball challenge that I've been a part of. Very happy to be involved in this league and thanks to the many engaged managers who make it fun year-round. That includes many of you and former G20 league mates TTU Cowboy and Slizz - talking shop and trades gets me through the cold months and keeps the passion alive.

Looking forward to trying to run it back next year. Also ready for trades. Also still ready to send Saves-only to the sun!

312

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 14:00

FWIW, I took a look at what I would have needed in order to get an extra 5 points to catch (tie) Thumpers.

To get one extra point in runs, I needed 16 more runs. It would have helped if Tree could have scrounged up two more runs – as that would have knocked Thumper back one point.

To get one extra point in HR, I needed 5 more. I did lead that category for much of the season, but fell off the pace in the last month – partly due to hitting slumps/injuries, partly due to my increased focus on SB.

I led in RBI, so nothing left on the table there.

I needed 7 steals to catch the leader in SB (Lyman). I did have the lead in SB for a brief period in Sept, but then Lyman blew past me.

I needed .002 to get one more point in OBP. At the end of the season, .002 is a lot. I was fortunate to be ranked first among four teams in the .325 range, so I should probably be happy with the outcome.

I needed 8 more wins to catch Thumper in that cat. I did suffer through a lot of high-quality starts in Sept that came up empty, but 8 was a lot to make up. I even had some luck in getting wins from some streamers in Sept. But my primary starters (McClanahan, McKenzie, etc.) kept pitching well and coming up empty. And if I had been too aggressive with SP streamers, I would have put my pitching ratios at great risk.

I needed 34 more Ks to get one more point, and 37 to get two. Perhaps I should have been more aggressive adding SP streamers earlier in the season (when my regular SPs were relatively healthy). I did leave 66 IP on the table, which could certainly have produced 37 more Ks. If only Eovaldi and McClanahan could have stayed healthier down the stretch…

I needed a .04 improvement in ERA to get one more point, or .05 to get 2. Again, at the end of the season, that’s a tall order.

I needed an extra .01 in whip to overtake Thumpers for the lead. That would have been useful, as it would have taken one point away from him as well.

So my best path to #1 was going to require a lot of stats in multiple categories. With 20/20 foresight in what I would need, it may have been doable. But quite frankly, if you had asked me in August if I would settle for 177 points, I'd have probably taken that bet.

313

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 15:10

Prize pool announcement:

1st Thumper $90
2nd Guru $60
3rd Tree $40
4th Blue Hen [$25-but not in pool]
5th Jon Dowd $20
6th Taxman $15 (tie)
6th Tosh $15 (tie)

Since Blue Hen is not in the pool, our typical practice is to apply his winnings to supplement the trophy fund.

Typically, a 6th place tie would be split among the two tied teams (i.e., $7.50 each). But since we have Blue Hen's $25 forfeiture, I suggest we pay the full $15 to each 6th place finisher, and just move $10 to the trophy fund (which still has ample funds to support several years of trophies - as many champions opt not to receive one.)

Seem OK?

314

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 16:48

Sounds good to me

315

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 16:54

Congrats to Thumper for finally making the grade! What an epic see-saw battle between him and Guru, who probably deserves the title of "Champion 1.B" for pushing it to the brink and keeping it interesting until the very last day.

Congrats to Tree and Blue Hen, too. Tree has built a perennial contender, and it seems BH's demise the last couple seasons was an illusion.

For me, this was my most miserable season in all of my years playing fantasy, dating back to 2000. Coming out of the draft, I expected to compete. But nothing went right, aside from Julio, Michael Harris and Spencer Strider. In a bid for respectability, I did manage to pass five teams in the standings over the last month of the season, and I guess a move from 20th place to 10th place is step in the right direction. But, man, this total rebuild has been gruelling and next year it's top-5 or bust.

316

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Oct 06, 2022, 18:09

Grats to Thumpers on the win! Well deserved.

After a slow start, I was inching up the leaderboard and was hoping for a top half finish, which I had for a day this week, before dropping back to 12th. Still scored over 100 points with 4 of my 6 hitter keepers on the DL. My pitching actually worked out this year for the most part, and I feel my keepers are more obvious and better going into next season. I just couldn't keep my hitters healthy this season.

317

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 11:40

[313] I failed to notice that Taxman deferred his option to join the pool until next year, so he is ineligible as well. Therefore,...

REVISED Prize pool announcement:

1st Thumper $90
2nd Guru $60
3rd Tree $40
4th Blue Hen [$25-but not in pool]
5th Jon Dowd $20
6th Taxman (tie) [not in pool this year]
6th Tosh $15 (tie)

Since Blue Hen is not in the pool, our typical practice is to apply forfeited winnings to supplement the trophy fund.

Winners will be directly notified by email.

318

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 12:09

I've forgotten how to find the league history. As I recall, it's in a spreadsheet somewhere on the internet. Can someone remind me?

319

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 13:00

Guru, just shared it with you. Three seasons of data need adding.

Looks like you’re officially the best 2nd place finisher ever, baseball edging out R9 at 175.

320

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 13:03

Also, Thump is the first team ever with perfect pitching. I had perfect hitting in 2011 (and 99 in 2015), but Twarpy topped out at 99 pitching.

321

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 13:13

Thanks. Does anyone have 2019 and 2021 standings details stored somewhere? I can't find them on Yahoo.

322

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 14:04

Guru, emailed you something.

323

Thumqer
ID: 526141516
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 17:33

Anyone know what the record for season long ERA is? I don't think I could ever repeat my 3.09 from this year

324

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 18:17

Since I joined in 2013, the lowest I see is Guru with a 3.011 in 2014. BH had a 3.088 that same year.

325

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 19:35

Insane!!!

326

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 22:36

Through 2018, next best is Species at 3.14 and Toral at 3.21. 3.09 is impressive.

327

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 07, 2022, 22:39

Looks like I had 1614 strikeouts in 2018, by far the record. Thump’s 1435 places 5th all time.

328

Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Oct 08, 2022, 03:20

CONGRATULATIONS Thumper on your very hard fought win. Stressful, ain't it? I probably lost years off my life sweating out every start/every pickup/every trade and even lineup decisions. Then injuries and slumps strike and you must be decisive. Looking too far over your shoulder is also troublesome. But you did it... feels good, huh?

Congrats to Guru on your run. Back and forth for weeks and just came up short.

Excellent season for Tree. Disappointing I'm sure to be 3rd with a score that would win in a lot of years.

I have some administrative work to do....prospect list cleanup...updating draft grids...demerit calculations... preparing for the lotteries. I have been traveling and work is a bear, so please bear with me.

....but I am absolutely open for offseason trade business and consider the G20 offseason to nit really be an offseason. Think about those challenge trades!!!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 11:25

Rank Team R HR RBI SB OBP W SV K ERA WHIP Total
1.Thumpers 20 16 15 17 14 20 20 20 20 20 182
2.RotoGuru 18 19 20 19 15 19 16 16 16 19 177
3.FW House Martins 19 13 17 14 17 16 19 18 19 14 166
4.Blue Hen 14 17 14 10 7 13.5 18 19 15 18 145.5
5.Jon Dowd 10 9 6 18 20 18 11.5 3 14 11 120.5
6.Tax Cuts 7 18 16 9 18 11.5 3 5 12 15 114.5
6.GangGreen 17 15 13 12 12 4.5 17 12 4 8 114.5
8.Munson Mobsters 15 20 19 7 19 6 5 15 5 3 114
9.beastiemiked 16 10 8 16 5 15 11.5 10 11 7 109.5
10.Lyman Bostock 10 9 8 5 20 4 8.5 6 13 18 16 107.5
11.youngroman's Luschen 12 11.5 18 1 8 13.5 13 11 10 107
12.Nerfherders 11 14 11 3 3 17 8 14 13 12 106
13.Endangered Species 6 7 9 8 11 11.5 7 9 17 17 102.5
14.Wazaaap Guy 8 4 4 15 9 10 15 17 7 9 98
15. GO's Black Sox 13 11.5 12 11 16 3 14 7 2 2 91.5
16.Matthew's Team 3 3 3 5.5 6 4.5 9 8 10 13 65
17.Code Toothpick 4 5 7 2 10 8.5 2 4 8 5 55.5
18.Donkey Kong 1 2 2 5.5 13 7 1 6 6 6 49.5
19.Marty McFlyer 5 6 10 13 2 1 4 1 1 4 47
20.VampireWeekend 2 1 1 4 1 2 10 2 3 1 27

Overall Stats
Batting Pitching Rank Team Total GP R HR RBI SB OBP IP W SV K ERA WHIP

1.Thumpers 1483 763 213 709 98 .325* 1341.2 103 101 1435 3.09 1.10
2.RotoGuru 1484 746 223 813 103 .325* 1283.2 95 63 1326 3.42 1.11
3.FW House Martins 1471 762 192 714 89 .328 1366.0 85 84 1363 3.32 1.16*
4.Blue Hen 1458 718 215 705 79 .318* 1298.2 83 83 1396 3.49 1.12
5. Jon Dowd 1369 678 170 616 100 .343 1277.0 90 54 1078 3.54 1.22
6.Tax Cuts 1366 648 216 712 76 .331 1226.0 81 20 1144 3.58 1.16*
6.GangGreen 1443 735 211 696 82 .325* 1205.1 73 74 1252 4.06 1.24*
8.Munson Mobsters 1384 724 228 769 68 .338 1356.1 74 26 1306 4.01 1.29
9.beastiemiked 1397 726 180 623 97 .317 1276.0 84 54 1244 3.64 1.26
10.Lyman Bostock 10 1404 672 166 612 110 .314 1313.2 78 32 1267 3.37 1.16*
11.youngroman's Luschen 1475 698 186 725 48 .319 1313.0 83 58 1249 3.89 1.24*
12.Nerfherders 1372 680 202 663 60 .310 1341.2 88 41 1301 3.57 1.19
13.Endangered Species 1352 646 159 628 72 .323 1234.0 81 33 1225 3.38 1.14
14.Wazaaap Guy 1434 670 145 586 90 .321* 1376.0 79 61 1360 3.96 1.24*
15.GO's Black Sox 1358 710 186 694 80 .327 1219.2 72 59 1182 4.42 1.31
16. Matthew's Team 1336 555 133 542 67 .318* 1204.1 73 42 1199 3.70 1.18
17.Code Toothpick 1286 580 149 618 56 .321* 1220.1 78 15 1114 3.94 1.28*
18.Donkey Kong 1226 549 118 529 67 .325* 1318.2 77 3 1158 4.00 1.28*
19.Marty McFlyer 1351 630 152 644 86 .306 1144.0 52 24 969 4.60 1.28*
20.VampireWeekend 1390 552 111 483 66 .299 1234.0 63 52 1040 4.38 1.36

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 11:44

Demerit calculations (please review):

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

The following teams failed to meet our GP thresholds (# of demerits incurred):

Nerfherders: 1372 = 1
Jon Dowd: 1369 = 0 (having made 'the money', demerits are ignored)
Taxman: 1366 = 0 (having made 'the money', demerits are ignored)
Great One: 1358 = 2
Species: 1352 = 2
Bobo: 1351 = 2
Matt G: 1336 = 3
Code Toothpick: 1286 = 5
Donkey Kong: 1226 = 9

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

Bobo was the only team to fall short in IP at 1144 = 3

Total demerit accounting. Note - the first 2 demerits are forgiven:
Donkey Kong: 9 less 2 forgiven = 7
Code Toothpick: 5 less 2 = 3
Bobo: 5 less 2 = 3
Matt G: 3 less 2 = 1

Species, Great One and Nerfherders each had 2 or less, so after forgiveness 0 demerits.

Having made the money (top 6), Jon Dowd and Taxman have their demerits ignored (and they would have been forgive anyway).

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 11:59

In applying demerits, please note the following rule in our Constitution: If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

At the start of the application of demerits, the rankings were as follows (no demerits for #1, Vampire Weekend):

2. Bobo
3. DK
4. Code
5. Matt G
6. GO

I apply Bobo's 3 demerits first, resulting in:

2. DK
3. Code
4. Matt G
5. Bobo
6. GO

I then apply DK's 7 demerits, resulting in:

2. Code
3. Matt G
4. Bobo
5. GO
9. DK

I then apply Code's 3 demerits, resulting in:

2. Matt G
3. Bobo
4. GO
5. Code

I last apply Matt's 1 demerit, resulting in:

2. Bobo
3. Matt G
4. GO
5. Code
9. DK

Thus, before applying lottery results, I have the resulting draft order as:

1. Vampire Weekend
2. Bobo
3. Matt G
4. Great One
5. Code Toothpick
6. WG
7. Species
8. Nerfherders
9. DonkeyKong
10. youngroman
11. Lyman
12. bmd
13. Fosten
(end of lottery - with Tosh and Taxman tying for the money, it is my interpretation that neither are in the lottery)
14. and 15. coin flip needed between Tosh and Taxman
16. Jon Dowd
17. Blue hen
18. Tree
19. Guru
20. Thumper

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 13:04

Prospect auditing:

The following prospects have exceeded thresholds and are NOT on their owners major league rosters.
The following rule is being applied to them (and are noted in bold in the Constitution): Unrostered prospects over threshold maintain their prospect status until next season’s keeper deadline, at which time they must be kept as part of your 9 or renounced

Robert Suarez
George Kirby
Jarren Duran (by 11 ab - ouch)

The following prospects have exceeded thresholds and ARE on their teams' rosters. As such, they have been REMOVED from the Prospect List and must be kept in their owners' 9 keepers:

Aaron Ashby
MJ Melendez
Hunter Greene
Spencer Torkelson
Michael Harris
Reid Detmers
Riley Greene
Adley Rutschmann
Bryson Stott
Seiya Suzuki
Jeremy Pena
Jose Miranda

The following prospects have NOT exceeded thresholds but are on their owners' major league rosters. The following rule will be applied to them: Rostered prospects under threshold will be sent-down in order to avoid being counted as a regular keeper. Sadly Yahoo will not let me adjust rosters, so once they release 2023 I will remove these players from their respective owners' rosters:

Corbin Carroll

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 14:22

Pre-lottery and pre 14/15 coin flip between Tosh and Taxman, both the Prospect and Supplemental Draft Grids are up to date! This includes corrections on one "traded that pick twice" error from my post 291. GO offered a higher pick to fix one, and I was corrected on the other.

334

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 17:01

Species - I just emailed you. I think three of your demerit calculations are off, resulting in a different draft order.

335

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 17:08

[333] Taxman wins the coin flip.

336

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 19:13

Psych! Yeah, Guru's right. I always forget to round up. Actual draft order, including Taxman "winning" the coin flip (winning = he gets the higher pick):

1 VampireWeekend
2 Great One
3 Matt G
4 Bobo
5 WG
6 Code Toothpick
7 Species
8 Nerfherders
9 Youngroman
10 Donkey Kong
11 Lyman
12 bmd
13 Fosten
14 Taxman
15 Tosh
16 Jon Dowd
17 blue hen
18 Tree
19 Guru
20 Thumper

337

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 10:09

I plan to run the draft lottery later today. Results will be posted here.

338

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 13:16

Damn, wasn’t Great One competing until August? And now 2nd best odds.

339

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 16:07

Lottery results (for 2023 drafts):

Supplemental draft:
Pick #1: Vampire Weekend
Pick #2: Nerfherders
Pick #3: Matt G

Prospect draft:
Pick #1: Vampire Weekend
Pick #2: Code Toothpick
Pick #3: Great One

Vampire Weekend hits the perfecta!

Details of the lottery are in the following spreadsheet:
http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Oct22-14x4_balls.xls

340

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 17:38

In for next year!

341

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 21:16

339: Thanks Guru! I have updated the Draft Grids.

340: Congrats Vamp on our first ever double-lottery win!

And thank you for your commitment to returning. If any teams know NOW that they cannot be committed to listening to trade offers, staying up to date on rules discussions and being all in for next year, please let me know! We always prefer an early-offseason replacement to allow for offseason moves vs. a late decision to not be in.

342

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Oct 13, 2022, 17:12

Wow, #2 from #8 is unexpected.

343

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 14, 2022, 13:31

Looking to deal one of my stud third basemen, Alex Bregman or Eugenio Suarez.

344

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 10:32

Just throwing this out there. My current keepers are:

W. Smith
N. Lowe
D. Swanson
C. Javier
H. Greene
S. Alcantara
J. Ryan

2 of
A. Kiriloff
D. Carlson
T. Houck

If you think you can offer me an improvement without killing my ability to keep my prospects and to continue to improve my ranking next year, I'm open to offers. Picks, Prospects, Starters, etc.

Not interested in a 5 mediocre for 1 stud trade where I'll only keep 1 of those guys next year. I need a net gain year to year. My goal is still in the running within 2 years.

:)

345

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 17:07

This is the time to bring up, discuss and potentially vote on any rule changes for the upcoming year, particularly if it impacts GP and IP minimums or reconsidering Saves plus Holds (which we could conceivably vote in now and put into effect for 2024). Anything that could impact keeper considerations should be dealt with early.

I mentioned GP and IP minimums, which had been a hot topic over the years. I think they worked well this year, keeping teams active.

Saves plus Holds was another big one we should consider early.

What other rule considerations should we bring up or revisit?
- Are you happy with the trade moratorium?
- Does the trade review committee work as intended?
- Are you happy with Prospects being IR eligible?
- Whatever else

346

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Oct 29, 2022, 08:45

Yay S+H. I think 10th keepers should be IL-eligible as well. I think mlb keepers and prospects are eligible, but not 10th keeps

347

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 22:42

Trade moratorium should end two days after the draft ends.

And strong no on anything involving holds.

348

Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 13:27

yes to S + H
yes to prospects and 10ths being eligible to be in the IL.

349

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 16:45

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought prospects and 10th keepers were already IL eligible.

Abolish the Trade Moratorium. I didn't like it and voted it down when it first went to vote, and - as predicted then - it handcuffed me big time when a number of players I drafted, who had big time trade value at the time, were worthless after a couple of cold weeks in April when the Trade Moratorium finally passed. Yes, I was bitter about it then, and essentially it contributed big time in ruining my season and fun by May 1. I don't understand the point of a Trade Moratorium in an established keeper league.

350

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 08:56

Yes to S + H
Yes to Prospects and 10ths being eligible for the IL

Abolish the innings and games limits... second straight year of demerits despite rotating as many positions out as possible, I hit the pitching limit barely but it was impossible to hit the games limit with my team constantly hurt and not wanting to drop guys to pick up other guy and lose out on potential keepers.

351

Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 14:03

Yes to s + h.

I don’t have a number in mind but think the minimums should be lowered. When I took over the team after the season had started I was already in a deficit situation and basically had to scramble for the rest of the season to make the minimums causing pick ups just to get games and a couple of innings.

352

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 14:16

10th keepers had a 'K' attached to them, so they just appear as a standard keeper for DL purposes.

A hard NO on anything regarding Holds.

353

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Nov 05, 2022, 21:56

Count me as one who prefers GP minimums and IP minimums remain the same. I think expectations should be that this league is for the hyper-active fantasy manager. That's certainly the impression I got upon joining. You need 7.5 players playing in your daily lineup to reach the GP minimum, and 6.5 innings pitched daily to reach the IP minimum. This ensures that every manager is still setting his lineup in late Sept / early Oct and a multi-team championship race is not won or lost as a result of another manager going inactive and not accruing stats. Nobody wants that.

If anything, I would rather see the active roster expanded from 23 to 24, if that is what is necessary to keep the GP and IP minimums the same. But that, of course, means a free agent pool that is 20 players shallower.

354

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Nov 05, 2022, 22:04

Also, we need not discuss or vote on prospects and 10th keepers as IL eligible, as they were for the entirety of 2022. From the constitution:

Injured List / "IL" slots:

Four (4) IL slots will be allowed for use. Eligibility for these slots are designated for use ONLY for:

1. Players kept in any team's 9 keepers at the beginning of the current season. This eligibility is carried with the player even if acquired via trade.
2. Prospects that were called up and renounced - i.e. 10th keepers - at the current year’s Prospect Keeper deadline.
3. Prospects that are called up but still on the prospect list

This eligibility is NOT allowed for a keeper player if they are acquired via the FA pool or waiver wire

355

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 11:18

354: Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean in post 345 to suggest that any of these rules were bad. It was more "hey, these were some tweaks we implemented in recent seasons, what do you think?".

The intent of allowing 10th keepers as IR-eligible was the perspective that:

"Yo, if you want me to meet minimums I can't do that if 3 or 4 of my key long-term keepers are injured. Give me more flexibility to manage my roster but keep my cornerstone players for the long term."

I believe the rule accomplishes that and I support it as is.

I also still support minimums. As noted by Lyman, this league is intended to be an effort league. When you are in contention and every counting stat could impact the final standings, you appreciate that all teams were paying attention!

There is enough support to put S + H to a vote, but I want to put all offseason items to a vote at one time, so keep the discussion on any other items, or bring up new items please!

On S + H, no matter what this would not take effect until at least 2024. I want to hear opinions as to when it would go into effect.

356

GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 16:31

There's a big difference between making an effort to have the best team and forcing people to go through the grind of rotating catchers and crap pitchers to simply satisfy high GP and IP minimums.

357

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Nov 07, 2022, 19:58

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

MARTY McFLYER RECEIVES
Spencer Torkelson
Thairo Estrada
Lyman's Prospect Pick 1.11

LYMAN BOSTOCK 1O RECEIVES
Eloy Jimenez
Bobo's Prospect Pick 1.05

358

Bobo
ID: 29103188
Tue, Nov 08, 2022, 09:31

Trade in 357 Confirmed.

359

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Nov 08, 2022, 19:08

<357> was approved by the committee, way to kick off the offseason!

360

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Nov 09, 2022, 19:52

356: True, but what are our alternatives?

GO has been around long enough to remember our ambiguous "you must have a full, legal lineup every day" rule. That means that your starting lineup must be filled with someone that is on the 25-man roster and not injured. That's basically it. You could tank like nobody's business and all we really had in terms of recourse was another ambiguous "for the good of the league" type of commissioner authority.....which then brings opinion into account.

We adopted a simple quantitative rule instead. No issues with favoritism. Nothing open to interpretation. You made it or you didn't.

With the 2 demerit forgiveness, I think it works. But this is our league. 20 voices. Let's hear them.

361

Thumqer
ID: 526141516
Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:36

Open for trade business!

I'm ready to make moves. I'm looking to consolidate keeper-worthy players by combining 2-1 or simply trading for supplemental picks. Whatever works for you.

Actively looking to trade:
OF Anthony Santander
3B Matt Chapman
SP Tyler Anderson
SP Jeffrey Springs
Closer Daniel Bard

Will trade, just not actively shopping
SP Blake Snell
Closer Ryan Helsley
SS Carlos Correa
SP Brandon Woodruff

Probably not trading but keeping an open mind on:
Acuna, Betts, Freeman, Nola, Carroll

Bargain bin (I'll take a small supplemental swap for these guys):
C Danny Jansen
1B/2B/OF Jurickson Profar
SP Marcus Stroman
OF Jake Fraley
SP Alex Cobb
3B/OF Patrick Wisdom
Closer Jimmy Herget

362

Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 12:04

I've always hated the GP/IP minimums.

It's actually tougher to reach these minimums when you're in the tier of the standings, and it makes an already crappy season all the more miserable because you've got to through what amounts to, as GO pointed out, a grind.

It's not fun to be out of contention in a league this deep. it's even less fun to be forced to rotate players in and out to not be punished further for having a crappy team.

In all the years i've played on non-public leagues across many sports, I can only think of a couple of instances where someone appeared to be tanking. The most recent example resulted in removing that person from the league.

Why not use the trade committee as a "tank" committee? We've all been playing for long enough that most tank jobs are obvious.

363

Tree
ID: 4741579
Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 12:04

*when you're in the LOWER tier of the standings

364

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 16:25

Endangered Species open for business!!

I could go a lot of directions this winter, but have so many fascinating options that I am pumped to talk trade this year.

The Veterans:
Jose Abreu:
But he's 35. But he's a free agent. But he only had 15 HR. All true.

Look deeper.
- 93rd percentile exit velocity. 97th % hard hit rate
- 96th% xwOBA. 98th% xBA. 92nd% xSLG

Still a beast and excited for where he will land. Houston? Tampa Bay in the middle of all of that talent?

Anthony Rendon - a no doubt disappointment overall in his tenure with the Angels, but I find it impossible to think he has forgotten how to hit. Hitting in a lineup with Ohtani, Trout, Ward and probably a FA SS is a good place to be.

Andrew Heaney - LAD magic dust resulted in a 3.10 ERA, 1.09 WHIP and 110k in 72.2 IP.

Rising stars:
Taylor Ward:
Started 2022 with an unsustainable .392/.500/.784 slash line in April and a .314/.429/.614 in May. Missed time in late May to early June with shoulder issues and followed that up with an IL stint for a hamstring. Found his stroke again in September to the tune of .370/.429/.630 September in 105 PA. Lest you think it fluky, check out his Baseball Savant page - more red than the Angels uniforms (and red is good).

Nolan Gorman - Still on the Prospect List and 10th keeper eligible. 2b eligibility and 14 HR in 283 AB. Do you know many 30-HR second baseman?

Logan Gilbert - Modern day horse logged 185 strong innings as a 25 y/o, delivering a 3.20 ERA.....and the weird thing is that he gives up too much hard contact. Just needs some modest refinement in his secondary stuff to take it to the next level.

Alexis Diaz - Who else would CIN invest in as closer? 1.84 ERA. 0.96 WHIP. 83k in 63.2IP. Fastball held hitters to a .127 average and a 31.1% whiff percentage. Edwin's brother has the pedigree.

Andres Munoz - 2.49 ERA, 0.89 WHIP and 96k (!!) in 65 innings (13.3 K/9). He ranked in the 99th percentile in xBA, XSLG, K%, Whiff% and Chase rate. He just needs the opportunity.

The Prospects
Anthony Volpe - a consensus top-10 prospect 2 years running provides great contact skills, batting eye, supportive power and elite speed. Poor man's Trea Turner? He is NOT a prospect so must be kept in your 9. If I didn't have fantasies about contending I would just keep him myself and have a cornerstone stud to build upon.

Alek Thomas - consensus top 25 prospect in 2022 with huge hit tool. Not a 30 HR hitter but a foundation piece for the ascending DBacks in an OF of Thomas/Carroll/McCarthy. Was 10th keepered last year and eclipsed limits so much be kept in your 9.

Diego Cartaya - soaring up prospect lists with elite power and skills to stick behind the plate.

Easy Keepers
Francisco Lindor - still in his prime and found his footing in Queens with elite counting stats.

Christian Yelich - will likely never be the 2019 MVP monster but a mainstay keeper with elite OBP, runs and contributing HR/RBI combined with 15+ SB.

Ty France - was elite the first two months before hurting his wrist, hitting .337/.411/.554 in April and .355/.427/.473 in May. A cornerstone for the rising Mariners and 1b/3b eligible.

DeGrom and Urias are studs.

Looking at almost anything, except getting volume back. Picks okay as part of a deal or for some of the riskier guys. Premium prospects also considered.

365

Tosh
ID: 3810111420
Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 21:12

I'm gonna' want to move a closer, and I've got two of the best in baseball, with guaranteed jobs next year. I'll be looking for a SP.

Josh Hader (SD) & Edwin Díaz (NYM)

366

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 10:15

Still looking to package multiple guys for a top shelf hitter. Including Verlander, Hoskins, Gleyber, JDMart, and Suarez, all of whom have never not been kept.

Would also package young guys for picks, including Frelick, Toglia, Bo Naylor, Tiedeman, or James Wood, all of whom you are going to hear a lot about in March.

367

DK6000
ID: 1211401415
Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 17:25

I know I'm late to the party, but:

I support a move to S+H

I'd also support lowering or removing GP and IP thresholds. It turns this league into an absolute GRIND that is hard to justify for us lower-tier teams. We're not tanking, it would be obvious if we were! I'd support a "tanking committee" if people find that a reasonable compromise.

Another compromise could be just increasing who is eligible for IL. Why are only keepers eligible? Very hard to meet GP and IP thresholds if you get bit by the injury bug and don't want to drop your guys.

Not going to post my team but always open for trades or pick swaps.

368

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 14:23

Rotowire was Oswald Peraza as a top 30 prospect and he is probably the Yankees SS with the free agent SS off the market. I have him on the MLB side and will trade him for a simple draft pick. Top 30 prospects will be gone by the first 10 picks of the prospect draft.

369

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 21:09

… except James Wood, just ranked #8 on fantrax. Make me an offer.

370

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 15:18

On S+H I saw online that some dynasty startups use S+(H/2). Maybe that’s a decent compromise for those worried holds would be too strong? Unsure if yahoo would support it anyway

371

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 24, 2023, 11:51

I am waiting for Yahoo to launch Fantasy Baseball for 2023 before starting a real push towards our preseason activities. Hoping / trusting that everyone will turn their full attention to G20 rosters, trades and rule voting.

Heads up: once Yahoo launches, I will be requiring all teams to get down to our roster limit of 23 players - limits that were exceeded legally due to players on IR. Before any team can transact a trade or the like, Yahoo requires it. I will 'send down' (drop) prospects that need to be sent down (i.e. Corbin Carroll), and I will require teams to drop a player in order to 'call up' those from the prospect list that have exceeded limits and must be kept in your 9. There should be ample drops available.

372

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Jan 24, 2023, 15:51

Yahoo should launch this Thursday, from what I understand.

373

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 15:05

Yahoo has launched their 2023 Fantasy Baseball product, which now allows us to adjust rosters, make trades, etc.

After a highly disappointing, sleepy offseason, with the site now open and pitchers and catchers reporting in a few weeks, it is time for everyone to step up and give our league the attention it deserves.

First order of business: PLEASE POST HERE TO CONFIRM YOUR DEDICATION TO G20 FOR 2023!

Second order of business - roster cleanup. Our rules state that rosters may not exceed 23 players. A long list of teams legally exceeded that limit with players on IR. Now that we are in the new year, I am enforcing that rule which will allow for accuracy of rosters as well as all trades in the leadup to our keeper deadline.

The following teams need to drop their respective number of players:
Code Toothpick: 1
DonkeyKong: 4
blue hen: 3 (this includes making room for Robert Suarez - see below)
Tree: 1 (Jarren Duran, see below)
Great One: 4
Jon Dowd: 2
Matt G: 3
Fosten: 3
Nerfherders: 5 (!)
VampireWeekend: 3
youngroman: 2 (after I dropped Ohtani the pitcher myself)

Make your drops yourself if you can. Otherwise either post here or text me who you want to drop. Please make these drops ASAP.

Third order of business: Prospect cleanup. Three prospects exceeded limits while on the prospect list. By rule, those prospects lost prospect eligibility and are considered called up at the end of the season and are now treated like any other player on your active roster. Those were:
Robert Suarez - blue hen
George Kirby - Code Toothpick
Jarren Duran - Tree

Additionally, prospects who are on a team's active roster at seasons end while retaining prospect eligibility are, by rule, sent back down to the prospect list at the end of the year. Those were Corbin Carroll (Thumper) and CJ Abrams (Lyman). They retain all prospect rights, including (most obviously in these cases) the ability to be "10th keepered" after the keeper deadline.

Opening Day is March 30th. My first run at a possible preseason schedule is as follows:

- Keepers due Noon ET on Monday March 13th
- Prospect keepers Noon ET on Tuesday March 14th
- Prospect draft starts Noon ET on Wednesday March 15th
- Supplemental draft opens Friday March 17th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Noon ET Saturday March 18th
- Moratorium on trading KEEPERS goes from the Keeper Deadline for 30 days, expiring Noon ET on April 12th

Time to get some trades in! Nearly everyone should have heard from me over the winter. Wake up and let's go!

374

Tree
ID: 4741579
Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 15:40

I am going to be in Europe traveling during the prospect draft and the beginning of the supp draft.

I'll work on solid queues and such, and i do come back on 3/19 so i shouldn't miss much of the supp draft, but am wanting to give that heads up.

375

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 16:52

I am in and I will also be traveling the first week but will endeavor to keep up.

Who wants Iglesias for some young keeper level hitters?

376

Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 18:07

I'm in. Will clean up my roster when I can. I had alot of DL's down the stretch.

377

Tosh
ID: 3810111420
Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 21:55

I'm in.

378

taxman
ID: 240332712
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 00:11

379

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 15:16

In and eager to make trades

380

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 15:17

381

Vampireweekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 16:56

Maybe on me but I get the following if I try to drop someone

Gurupie 20 (ID# 676)
Yahoo Fantasy
Baseball '23 League

My Team

There was a problem
The league has not drafted. You cannot make this action. (Error #156)

382

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 17:37

In.

383

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 20:39

381: it probably requires me to do it. Text over the drops and I will take care of it.

384

youngroman
ID: 515013
Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 15:41

In.

since it seems I have 2 players too many right now, you can drop Luis Torrens and Michael Taylor

385

Code Toothpick
ID: 410473119
Tue, Jan 31, 2023, 20:47

Hey all - sadly, I am out. As I'm sure some of you have noticed, I just haven't been able to dedicate the time/commitment to this league that I would have liked. Would rather you find an active GM who can make things interesting as opposed to my intermittent participation. Please let me know what I need to do to ensure a smooth offboarding. Thanks for the good times!

386

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 00:49

387

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 09:20

In - also cannot drop players or I would.

388

DK6000
ID: 330242311
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 12:37

In - will text Greg my droppable players

389

Jon Dowd
ID: 46143111
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 12:43

Echo DK in 388, in and will text Species my drops

390

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 13:10

Confirmed IN:
Species
Tree
Vampire Weekend
Nerfherders
Tosh
Taxman
Thumper
WG
Fosten
youngroman
Lyman
Matt G
DonkeyKong
Jon Dowd
blue hen

Confirmed OUT:
Code Toothpick

Awaiting word (officially here on the board):
Guru
bmd (although he texted yes a week or two ago)
Great One (also active via text)
Bobo

Thank you Code for being a part of our league. I know you have the chops to be competitive in this league. I wish you felt you had the time. To win, or just do well, there is undoubtedly a minimum level of attention and activity.

League mates: Please scour your home and online leagues for new G20 options.

Thank you to all of those that have sent me your drops. Great One and Fosten are aware and will send me theirs. That will leave Code's replacement.

391

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 01, 2023, 13:21

Code Toothpick's roster:

Yordan Alvarez HOU - OF
Teoscar Hernández SEA - OF
Oneil Cruz PIT - SS
Ryan Mountcastle BAL - 1B
Amed Rosario CLE - SS,OF
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. ARI - OF
Yoán Moncada CWS - 3B
Kyle Farmer MIN - 3B,SS
Adam Frazier BAL - 2B,OF
Eric Haase DET - C,OF
Franmil Reyes CLE - OF
Michael Brantley HOU - OF

Framber Valdez HOU - SP
George Kirby SEA - SP
Lance McCullers Jr. HOU - SP
José Urquidy HOU - SP
Tylor Megill NYM - SP
Brock Burke TEX - P
Nick Martinez SD - SP
Jakob Junis SF - SP
Yoascar Ynoa ATL - SP
James Kaprielian OAK - SP
JT Brubaker PIT - SP

Code Toothpick's Prospects:
Orelvis Martinez, TOR
Nick Lodolo, CIN
JJ Bleday, MIA
Brennan Davis, CHC
Jordan Walker, StL
Nick Yorke, BOS
Robert Hassell, III

....made an executive decision and dropped Jordan Lyles to make room for George Kirby. That also takes care of the prospect 'callups' for the offseason.

392

Bobo
ID: 47131211
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 12:31

I am in. Apologies for the delay on getting here to confirm that.

Been a late January work whirlwind.

393

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 21:49

Welcome back Peter N. aka ttucowboy to G20!!! Pete was the 2009 G20 Baseball Champion, a THREE TIME G20 Hoops Champion, and knowing him I assume he is ALSO a G20 Football Champion (???) -- if so, he would be in a VERY RARE club with WG consisting of champs of all 3 G20 leagues.

He will take over for Code Toothpick effective immediately. No indoctrination necessary!

Welcome back Pete!!!

394

Guru
ID: 29629212
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 22:34

395

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 22:42

Hey y’all! Glad to be back!! And yes, I do have a G24 Football Title to my name as well. 💪

First order of business for me is to refresh myself on the rules of G20 (some are new — others just need a refresher) along with getting a better idea of exactly what I have here. With that said, I did attach my email so feel free to fire away with any ideas.

I’m pumped! Let’s goooo!!

396

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 23:15

Welcome back, Pete!

397

taxman
ID: 240332712
Thu, Feb 02, 2023, 23:47

Welcome Pete...always good to see another North Texan

398

GO
ID: 288332716
Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 08:55

Welcome Pete, great news!

Is that true only WG and Pete have done all 3? This is the one I keep only making it to the altar. And it obviously won't be this year either with my injuries.

399

bmd
ID: 2112039
Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 10:20

I’m in.

Welcome back, Pete!

400

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 13:41

Suuuuper stoked to have Pete back. Awesome dude and mentor!

I’d say I’ll miss Code, but he’s going to be all the more focused on beating me in our home league!

401

bmd
ID: 2112039
Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 16:29

If any rebuilding team is looking for a keeper, Jackson Chourio is available. Seems to be a consensus top ten prospect He would have to be kept as a regular keeper though. Not looking for a crazy haul or a 1st for him. Just a pick upgrade or open to other ideas.

402

Species
ID: 1412613
Fri, Feb 03, 2023, 16:39

390: Excellent!! We are 100% confirmed by all 20 teams. Players in the WBC will be reporting to Spring Training in 10 days or so. Most everyone else will report in 2 weeks!

Best of luck to all teams and send me your trade wish lists!!

403

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 12:09

Hi all- I made a discord channel for G20- it is a user-friendly way to organize our various G20 topics in what discord calls “channels”. You can also direct message folks for 1:1 trade talks right in discord. This isn’t to replace official comms on the board, but to help freshen up the communication activity.
I believe everyone got a text or email from me with an invitation to join.. Let me know if you have questions.

404

bmd
ID: 2112039
Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 22:50

Pete sends 5.06

Bmd sends 14.13 and Chourio

405

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Sun, Feb 05, 2023, 22:53

404: Confirmed

406

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 21:07

🚨Trade 🚨

Ttu Cowboy receives Jeffrey Springs, P 1.20, S13.20, S14.20

Thumper receives S 2.06, S 3.06

407

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 21:20

Confirmed, will drop Brubaker to make room for Springs.

408

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Feb 07, 2023, 23:16

🚨Trade 🚨

WG gets Sal Perez
Tree gets prospects George Valera and Dustin Harris

409

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 09:21

Only posting this because I've received multiple texts from multiple people.

I am not ignoring you, I will reply to all of them in due time, I know it's trade time in G20 but my work is extremely busy and my son takes up any extra time that I have. So if I'm texting you and then I disappear for a day or two, it's not me ignoring you, it's just I don't have time to dig into the trade/offer/question as I normally would.

But I'm sticking in G20.

410

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 10:50

We’re up to 14/20 G20’ers on the discord channel. The trade block channel has helped facilitate multiple trades thus far, I recommend using this to be up to date on moves!

411

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 14:43

🚨Trade 🚨

Matt G gets Lucas Giolito, Vaughn Grissom, Hunter Brown
WG gets Cristian Javier

412

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 14:44

🚨Trade 🚨

ttucowboy trades:

Robert Hassell III
Nick Yorke

Tree trades:

Giancarlo Stanton

413

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 15:51

RE: 411 Confirmed

414

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 16:47

Awaiting trade review committee confirmation (that is now on Discord, which is great) before processing these.

415

GO
ID: 288332716
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 17:02

Hoping I can get off trade review committee this year.

416

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 17:35

- Pete joins G20
- Pete trades for Stanton

All is right with the world.

417

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Wed, Feb 08, 2023, 22:21

Amen

418

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 09:10

N. Lowe and J. Ryan are available, trying to make some room for trades. Looking to move them for Picks both Prospect and Supp. Don't need to move them.

419

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 10:09

Hoping we can discuss and vote on these for 2024:
- Lower minimums by 200 IP and 100 GP. It shouldn’t be a struggle, we just don’t want dead teams.
- Shorten moratorium to 3 days after the draft finishes.
- Players with a username that starts with B get 11 keepers.

420

Bazaaap Guy
ID: 89402220
Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 10:26

Good with all the above.

421

GO
ID: 288332716
Thu, Feb 09, 2023, 10:27

I agree with BH. On 2 out of 3.

422

Batt G
ID: 37931259
Fri, Feb 10, 2023, 11:07

Agree to all of Blue Hen's suggestions.

423

Perm Dude
ID: 28128412
Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 19:24

Bobo: You joining us in the Political Forum League this year?

424

Bhumper
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 12:30

Not bad rule changes

425

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 14:47

🚨Trade 🚨

BlueHen Gets P2, P3 and S14

Matt G Gets S5(my original pick) and P5

426

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 14:49

Confirmed

427

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 12:44

Rule changes discussion:

Saves plus Holds -- this will be voted on. Will be a two-part vote: 1) yes or no. 2) what year of implementation? With any vote that has a material impact on keeper value, consideration for the negative impact upon those holding stud closers is essential.

Lowering IP/GP Minimums -- I am going to say my peace once and then basically abstain because of my role as Commish. Put simply, I support fixed minimums because it's defined. It's fair and applies equally to everyone. No favoritism. No point of view / determination required.

The sentiment in lowering the minimums appears to revolve around two general principles:

1) It's a pain / I don't like streaming crappy guys / it hurts my ratios

2) We know the difference between tanking and a lack of streaming / we all know each other and can trust in our comrades not to tank

Retorts: On #1, part of the point is to make every stat count so that the contenders are earning every point. Nothing sucks worse than to see your rival gain points in counting stats when middle-down teams are coasting.

On #2, by making the concept of tanking subjective instead of objective, then you almost start making it personal. Worse, at least speaking selfishly, is that it is typically dependent upon me to take action after private texts / IM complaints from owners. Sure, we DO all know a true tank / lack of attention when we see it, but there is a lot of danger of hurt feelings when fingers start getting pointed.

Moratorium Change - this is the first time it has been brought up. Please present your case.

Any others? Pitchers and catchers are reporting this week. The time is now so get in any other considerations and we will get moving on the voting.

428

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 13:44

1a. Yes 1b. 2024 1c. Can we do .5/h 1/S?
2. Yes.

-More rationale on lowering minimums. It adversely affects the bottom quarter of the league even when trying to be competitive. For example, I've missed the minimums in either pitching or hitting in the last two seasons. I did this while rotating crap players in and out, trying to keep up. I still say that I am 1-2 years away from truly competing; even with the trade I made with Amit that I think makes my team that much more competitive.
I have had a few inquiries for me to take players who are high-level prospects on active rosters, I've had to turn them down because I need EVERY roster spot available to make the innings limits. You see, I could REALLY invest in my team and set myself up for 2 years but I cannot for fear of missing limits and getting bumped down the draft order via demerits.

By doing this I'm essentially damming my team to mediocrity because I cannot score that prospect or two that could put me over the top when my team would be ready. Instead I'm holding on to a couple players that would just get me the innings and GP that I need rather than really building my team.

429

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 19:39

No on saves plus holds and the year doesn’t matter to me, but let’s go with 2099. Holds are garbage and shame on you if you vote for them.

The original proposal for the moratorium was pre-agreed trades before the draft even started. I think we’re safe to go when the draft ends, when teams have forged an identify. Last year was annoying just waiting when there were clear moves to make.

For the minimums, I agree it has to be a solid number. And while I think most teams should have to struggle with crappy players, these limits go overboard. Let’s just lower them a bit.

Glad everyone liked my other proposal. BMD thanks you.

430

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 11:11

[428] S + .5H is not an available option at Yahoo.

There are good reasons to support S+H, and good reasons to oppose the change. You can argue that holds is a garbage stat. You can also argue that saves is a garbage stat.

Using saves only - with their relative scarcity and volatility - does provide opportunities for weaker teams to add some incremental future value via mid-to-late season trades. Then again, if your team is weak because of a lack of viable closers, then that's a moot point.

My preference is to stay with saves only,... but I could live with the change if it were deferred to 2024.

I'm fine with leaving the minimums as they are, but don't have a strong feeling. I'd be more inclined to relax the restrictions on IL slots (i.e., allowing at least one IL slot to be used for any player, not just keepers or prospects.)

so, for the record:
1) No on S+H
2) No on reducing minimums

...and while you're at it, "get off my lawn"...

431

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 11:15

BTW, I finally got around to clicking on the Discord invite, but it was rejected as invalid. Perhaps there was a time limit?

432

taxman
ID: 240332712
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 16:05

1 YES on S+H

2.NO reduction in minimums

433

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 18:11

Yes on S+H, 2023.

Yes on reducing minimums. Maybe 50 on each side.

434

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 18:25

1. No on holds
2. Yes on reducing minimums

435

DK6000
ID: 330242311
Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 19:57

1. YES on S+H, 2024 implementation
2. YES on reducing minimums, but by at least 20% for both GP and IP. A reduction of 50 accomplishes nothing IMO

For what it's worth, I second Guru's proposal to relax IL restrictions

436

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 08:17

All trades passed review, the trade in <425> did have 2 vetos as members felt it was significantly imbalanced value-wise and could not understand the trade from both sides.

1. S+H please, 2024. I understand the arguments for Saves being able to help a lower team, but it’s the same small handful of teams who are winning the race to the keyboard to add new closers which change at the whim of the manager. Holds aren’t perfect, but there are some great 8th inning arms who should be more sought after than your garbage committee closer. We don’t have large benches, so not too considered with teams deploying large RP quantities

2. Agree to lower mins by greater than 50

Would be nice to relax IL a bit and like Guru’s idea.

437

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 09:12

Would also like to see at least one open IL slot.

438

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 10:55

Yes to S + H.

Yes to reducing both minimums.

439

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 11:56

1) No on S+H
2) No on reducing minimums

440

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 14:19

As a point of reference, a decade ago you could reasonably expect, barring injury, that you could run 6 starters and 3 relievers and easily reach a minimum. (I couldn't figure out when we instituted the mins but it was installed at least as far back as 2016)

The top 120 SP IP average:
2012: 179.3
2017: 161.3
2022: 153.2

In this era we need more than one extra full time starting pitcher to reach what we could have gotten with six SP just a decade ago. In 2012 31 pitchers reached 200 IP - in 2022 that number was 8.

50 IP is probably not enough. It should be at least 100.

As far as GP, that one is tough because catchers simply don't work as much as they used to (part of that is because catchers in this era, quite frankly, suck offensively). I think everyone should be expected to get 150 GP out of each position but catcher, and then maybe 120 out of catcher. That would be a reduction of about 50 GP.

441

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 22:58

Great stats! Now can you tell me the average ERA of a pitcher in a hold vs the average ERA of a pitcher in a save?

442

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 23:25

1) No on S+H
2) No on reducing minimums

Regarding 1) I’m a roto traditionalist and simply don’t want to deal with S+H. Plus, having S as a category instead of S+H makes the league more dynamic because of the unique value it creates with closers. Many different ways to attack it and I like that.

Regarding 2) I’m flying a bit blind on how hard it may be to hit minimums now but am generally in favor of making sure every stat counts. Nothing more irritating than seeing teams that have checked out, who are still a factor in certain categories, when you’re in the thick of a title race. We have a prospect draft as a means to improve that is shielded from this discussion all together.

I’d actually like to get rid of the possibility of stashing players who haven’t had a major league appearance on your active squad. It would place even more emphasis on the prospect draft and consequently make hitting minimums not as difficult but that’s a topic for a different day.

443

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 00:51

🚨Trade 🚨

WG gets Pete's s2.10
Pete gets WG's p4.05

444

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 00:52

443 confirmed

445

Bobo
ID: 47131211
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 09:30

1. No on holds
2. Yes on reducing minimums

446

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 10:30

Changing my vote on minimums. I vote No, even though I’m the guy who brought it up. After seeing some of these arguments, it looks to me like the main argument is “I don’t want to make moves” and I don’t agree with that philosophy.

Please can we vote on the moratorium?

447

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 10:36

Ok, I am putting these to a vote and we can decide once and for all. Interesting, for all of the focus on IP, only 1 team was short on IP last year. That said, the evolution of bullpens, 'openers', etc. there is an obvious decrease in IP from starters. As such, I am putting this forth with a 100 IP reduction.

Games played to me is mostly effort and attention. The game has changed for IP. It has not for GP. I am putting it forth with a 50 GP reduction.

Required League Votes:

1) Do you wish to change the Saves category to the sum of Saves plus Holds?

Further - and this is required even if you vote no - if this passes, do you vote to implement this change:

a) 2024
b) 2025

2) Changes to Minimum IP and GP thresholds. Do you wish to lower the Minimum IP from 1200 to 1100 and the Minimum GP from 1375 to 1325?

Vote yes or no.

448

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:06

1) No S+H (2024)
2) Yes, but would have preferred relaxing the IL restrictions as a better way to deal with this.

449

beastiemiked
ID: 151321710
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:32

No on both.

450

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:47

1. No. 2025
2. Yes for IP. No for GP. I don't think I can vote that way, so No.

No for both.

451

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 12:51

1. Yes, 2024
2. Yes on both.

452

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 13:03

No on both. Casting a vote for 2025 vs 2024, if that winds up mattering.

Id also like a stipulation that if No wins, we can’t vote on this again until 2027.

Also, Jordan Romano is on the block.

453

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 13:10

1. Yes, 2024
2. Yes

Also would like loosened IL rules as there seems to be some support for that

454

DK6000
ID: 330242311
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 13:22

1. Yes, 2024
2. Yes for both.

Agree with Thumper and Guru about loosening IL rules, maybe we should vote on that after we see results on this one?

455

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 14:37

1. Yes, 2024
2. Yes, Yes.

457

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 15:00

1) No on S+H, 2025.
2) Lower GP, keep IP the same. Get rid of the "demerit forgiveness" system, it unnecessarily overcomplicates. Expand the IL.

2021: 14 teams met the GP min. 16 teams met the IP min.
2022: 11 teams met the GP min. 19 teams met the IP min.

Curious that people think IP is the issue, when the data says it's the GP.

458

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 15:01

1. No, 2025
2. No

459

Tree
ID: 4741579
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 15:30

1. Yes, 2024.
2. Yes.

460

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 17:56

1. No, 2025
2. No

461

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 18:50

Yes - 2024

Yes

462

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 19:34

re 457: 2) I guess I'm not allowed to vote for one or the other (GP/IP), so I'm voting No on both, but would support a revote in which each rule changes is considered separately. Hope this clarifies.

463

GO
ID: 18134522
Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 21:30

1. Yes, 2024
2. Yes

ALSO... would like loosened IL rules as there seems to be some support for that

464

taxman
ID: 240332712
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 00:54

1. yes 2024
2. no

465

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 14:27

RE: 457

I missed IP in 2021 so I focused my bench on pitchers thinking I'd be fine on GP as I had the same core. I was fine on innings but I missed on GP because I didn't rotate enough.

And for those who think it's just that I don't want to add/drop. That's not my strategy. So to base a rule off of, you should make the moves, you're alienating an entire category of players who don't rotate out looking for that next hit and instead hope their draft holds up.

466

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 17:12

We all hope our draft holds up, don’t we?

467

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 22:10

I have always been opposed to holds because I think they're a stupid stat. That being said, I think saves are a stupid stat, too. Wins, as well. I once suggested here that G20 use all ratio stats for pitching (ERA, WHIP, K/9, K/BB ratio, etc). Crickets! Kind of like when I suggested adding one more roster spot to pacify those complaining about minimums. More crickets!

The thing about saves in a 20-team league, especially in the year 2023, is that there aren't enough closers to go around. I know this has all been hashed and rehashed a dozen times here, but that is the bottom line. I used to LOVE chasing saves. Was one of the things I enjoyed most about fantasy. But there's no chasing saves in a 20-team league, so that art is lost.

One of the biggest misconceptions is that rebuilding teams can benefit from trading closers to contending teams. In 2021, I was fortunate enough to get Beastie to overpay for Jake McGee. Pick 1.20 for a middling closer. And this is no disrespect to Beastie. In fact, it's more of a championing of the former champ. Dude knows that a first round supp pick in this league is of no big value. And, indeed, that 1.20 netted me the 2022 version of Josh Donaldson. The next 10 picks? Wong, Candelario, Knebel, Bednar, Yuli, Grossman, Desclafani, Happ, Soto, Ynoa. Who from that group are you rebuilding with? And that 1.20 was an overpay. Usually, we're seeing 3rd round picks or later as the in-season return for closers. Good luck rebuilding with those.

Anyway, I did a great deal of research in 2021 regarding SV+HLD leagues - including in-depth data and online chats with a few hardcore old guard type managers who transitioned to SV+HLD leagues and never looked back. I won't bother posting the data results. It's a year old now and I used tabs so it probably would not format well. And I believe it probably wouldn't change anybody's mind anyway. It changed mine, though.

1. Yes on SV+HLD, 2024
2. NO on minimums

468

taxman
ID: 481181822
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 23:18

1. yes 2024
2. no

469

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 23:38

Thanks for the in depth consideration, Lyman. I don’t agree but I won’t deny you’ve taken time to consider the issue.

Just some rambling thoughts… I don’t like Lyman’s ratio idea because it’s not diverse enough. K/9 AND K/bb? Strikeout guys now get a huge bump. I like saves because it’s a different world. It’s a different set of players and, like homers, you’re looking for the guy who is likely to get them in general while also looking for the guy who will get one today.

Saves are a garbage stat in real baseball, but not in fantasy. There is no more than one per team, and he’s on the winning team, and he has to hit a level of performance in a key part of the game.

Guy comes into a 3 run game in the 6th inning. Gives up a double and a walk, plus a long fly out. Then someone else comes in and puts out the fire. The team loses the game, but the player gets a hold. You telling me you want to guess who is going to get the most of THOSE in a season?

We’re now adding a new category when our rosters are unbelievably thin. Good luck hitting those minimums with even fewer slots available. Maybe you’ll have to make a move or two.

I bet we’d come closer to guessing the saves leaderboard than the holds leaderboard, 100 out of 100 times.

Garbage stat, and I’m standing by it. Saves and wins aren’t perfect, but they’re Ian Happ to your Mike Trout. Holds are Bryse Wilson.

I know it won’t help, but please don’t do this.

470

Jon Dowd
ID: 40159198
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 09:59

1. Yes 2024
2. Yes

Would be for relaxing IL rules as well

471

Bobo
ID: 12101912
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 13:00

1. No. 2024.

2. Yes and Yes.

472

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 14:01

Right now, 18 of 20 managers have voted. Normally I would only vote if necessary. But we sit here on the precipice and my vote could make either of these pass, so there is no sense in not declaring. My votes are No on each.

We are awaiting youngroman's vote - anyone have him on whatsapp or other more immediate method?

The votes stand as follows:

Saves plus holds: 10 yes, 9 no. 2024 has 11 votes and would pass if the motion passes.

Minimums was ONE vote for both. 10 yes, 9 no.

Apologies for my discord mess. taxman posted twice, Tosh had 'yes' but then explained no so that effed up my count.

If minimums fail as proposed, there appears to be a clear desire to both: 1) JUST reduce IP; and 2) relaxing IL rules.

Let's hear your thoughts on IL rules while 19 other people await our Austrian friend to find our email in his gmail filters. I think that excuse died like 5 years ago buddy!

473

youngroman
ID: 515013
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 17:23

sorry for being late, was away the last few days.
1. No, 2024
2. No

474

Species
ID: 1412613
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 18:51

Neither proposal passes.

Open to new thoughts on the IL rules to help meet limits.

475

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 19:09

I’d propose a 24th roster slot rather than require the commish to police inappropriate stashing, which happened extensively last year.

476

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 01:11

So we miss by one vote on minimums, and the guy who wants us to vote on it in 419 votes no in 452. Tell me that makes sense.

477

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 09:54

Wouldn’t you know it, I took the time to listen to arguments and changed my mind!

478

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 12:59

[474-475] I would suggest that we simply decide that one IL slot can be filled by any rostered player, regardless of keeper or prospect status. I guess I'd also suggest that if a player is already injured when he is added to a roster, he is not eligible to be stashed until after he has recovered and then become injured again (while still on the same roster).

I don't see that this significantly increases compliance monitoring requirements, as we already have a rule that cannot be automatically enforced by Yahoo.

479

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 13:10

<443> passes trade review

480

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 15:33

I disagree with 478. Yes, it’s manual now, but with this proposal, we now have to look at how the player was added to the slot.

Why have IL slots at all? What’s the advantage over adding an additional slot?

481

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 16:46

480 - Agreed. Why complicate things with an additional IL slot when you can simply add an extra roster slot, both relaxing the strain of having a useful but IL-designated non-keeper on the bench while also throwing a bone to those complaining about minimums?

482

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Feb 20, 2023, 20:11

Prospect SP Daniel Espino available for your last round prospect pick. Espino is tied with De La Cruz, Chourio and Jackson Holliday as Fangraphs #2 overall ranked prospect, updated yesterday. Espino is a strikeout artist and could be the AL version of Spencer Strider and is in the vaunted Cleveland pitching system. Out for 8 weeks with a shoulder injury. The Dodgers' Julio Urias suffered this same injury and we know how he turned out. There's obviously huge value to be had here. Text or instant message me at Discord, if interested.

483

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 12:26

Like the Moves Cap rule, this is mostly targeted at one manager.

Starting in 2024, the previous winner of G20 is only allowed to keep 8 players. Back-to-back winners only keep 7. Threepeaters only keep 6.

Actually, Thump kept Bellinger, Story, Votto, and Chris Taylor last year, so perhaps we need to go lower.

484

Jon Dowd
ID: 46143111
Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 13:09

Trade:

JD gets BH p4.17 and BH s5.17
BH gets JD p2.16 and JD s7.16

485

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 13:11

Confirmed

486

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 16:03

Opening Day is March 30th. The preseason schedule is thusly as follows:

- Keepers due Noon ET on Monday March 13th
- Prospect keepers Noon ET on Tuesday March 14th
- Prospect draft starts Noon ET on Wednesday March 15th
- Supplemental draft opens Friday March 17th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Noon ET Saturday March 18th
- Moratorium on trading KEEPERS goes from the Keeper Deadline for 30 days, expiring Noon ET on April 12th

487

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 15:36

Trade

BH gets p1.09 + s4.09

Roman gets p1.17 + s9.17 + Starling Marte

488

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 15:40

🚨Trade 🚨

ttucowboy trades:

2023 S 1.07

Thumper trades:

2024 P1
2024 P5

489

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 16:05

Confirming 488

490

youngroman
ID: 515013
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 16:05

487 confirmed. Jonathan Schoop can be dropped to make room for Marte.

491

GO
ID: 288332716
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 16:06

It would be magical if we had IL keeper slots... so a third of my keepers weren't Bryce, Story and Buehler :)

492

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 18:53

James Wood, crowned today as Fangraph’s #3 prospect in all of baseball, is on the block. This is a rare opportunity for a superstar in waiting to join your team. If you’re not competing in 2023, you’d be crazy not to get in on this deal. Wood is going to be a superstar.

Don’t settle for a lesser prospect in the p draft. Get Wood now!

Looking for p picks and s picks in return or an upgrade to one of my existing keepers.

493

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 20:33

***TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT***

MARTY McFLYER RECEIVES
Joe Musgrove
Daniel Espino (Prospect)
Supp Pick 13.11
Supp Pick 14.11

LYMAN RECEIVES
Supp Pick 1.05
Supp Pick 3.04
Prospect Pick 1.11

494

Bobo
ID: 151382219
Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 20:38

Trade confirmed.

495

Bobo
ID: 151382219
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 11:35

Trade confirmed.

496

Bobo
ID: 47131211
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 14:30

***TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT***

MARTY McFLYER RECEIVES
Eugenio Suarez
Supp Pick 8.07

BLUE HEN RECEIVES
Supp Pick 2.04
Prospect Pick 2.04

497

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 14:49

Confirmed

498

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 15:09

All prior trades pass, 496 in review now

499

GO
ID: 288332716
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 09:41

CJ Cron available for a mid round pick swap or prospect pick.
Doval available for a (higher) prospect pick this year or next. Or 2024 supp pick(s) I suppose. Saves are the cool thing now!

500

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 10:45

***TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT***

VampireWeekend gets

P1.03
Jose Miranda
Ezequiel Tovar

Jose Barrero can be dropped

WG gets

P1.01
DJ LeMahieu

502

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 11:50

I’m disappointed in the committee, but respect the role that the committee plays, and the difficulty they face. I will plan to rework the trade with Bobo, but hope people can see that is a difficult task that puts me at a disadvantage due to seemingly ambiguous standards- there have been other trades I deem unbalanced that have passed.

I do think I am reasonable to ask the committee for a comparison between this deal and the Joe Musgrove deal. Prior to that deal, Lyman offered Espino for a P5, so in essence, Musgrove was deemed to be worth the upgrade of a P5 to a P1, plus S1.11, plus an S3. In the rotowire app, Suarez is ranked 90, and Musgrove is ranked 120. Given the small age difference, Musgrove moves up, but less so when considering that pitchers are more volatile than hitters, and Suarez’s deeper track record. I agree that Musgrove is a more valuable asset, but it’s fairly close. If Musgrove is actually worth the value listed above, I think it’s entirely reasonable that Suarez is worth a lower S pick, a lower P pick, no S3, and a higher S pick coming back. Please tell me where my logic has failed here.

As I said, I’m planning to rework the trade with Bobo and hope that one sails through.

503

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 11:55

All trades have been processed, save for the potentially reworked trade.

All grids updated.

504

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 12:08

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

TTU COWBOY RECEIVES
Josh Jung (Prospect)
Prospect Pick 1.11

LYMAN RECEIVES
Jordan Walker (Prospect)

505

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 12:10

504 confirmed

506

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 13:38

All prior trades passed, revised Eugenio trade posted in discord under review

507

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 18:41

All trades up to this point have been approved

508

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 21:01

Reworked trade from post 496:

***TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT***

MARTY McFLYER RECEIVES
Eugenio Suarez
Supp Pick 8.07

BLUE HEN RECEIVES
Supp Pick 2.04
Prospect Pick 5.04

509

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 22:59

Confirmed

510

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 11:29

All trades have been entered. Please check your grids and prospect lists. I miss stuff on occasion.

511

Lyman
ID: 191372611
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 12:37

Friendly reminder to move Joe Musgrove from my roster to Bobo's.

512

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 21:49

🚨Trade 🚨

GO Receives:
Oswald Peraza, SS, NYY
Garrett Mitchell, OF, MIL
2023 S 12.20

Thumper Receives:
2023 4.20

513

GO
ID: 18134522
Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 21:53

Confirmed.

514

GO
ID: 288332716
Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 10:19

To make the trade, drop D'Arnaud, Cessa, Varland and send back Pivetta if needed.

515

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 11:48

🚨Trade 🚨

Matt G Receives:
P1.09
James Wood OF WAS

Bluehen Receives:
P1.04

Drop Miles Straw if needed.

516

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 11:48

Confirmed

517

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 22:35

All posted trades have been approved

518

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:18

All trades have been processed.

Considering selling S1.08, Jose Abreu, Christian Yelich and Jacob DeGrom for future considerations - prospects and prospect picks, injured keepers, etc.

Francisco Lindor potentially available for more significant future considerations. TOP top prospect(s), high picks and younger players considered.

Also willing to wait and let guys break out early in the year, but the price goes up a bit given that I would be burning keeper spots on them.

519

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 01, 2023, 01:10

🚨Trade 🚨

WG gets Teoscar Hernandez and p2.06
Pete gets p1.06

520

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Wed, Mar 01, 2023, 01:20

Confirmed

521

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 01, 2023, 09:30

thread has been repaired (I think)

522

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 01, 2023, 15:59

519 passes

523

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 09:15

🚨 Trade 🚨

ttucowboy trades

P 1.20

BH trades:

Ricky Tiedemann
P 2.17

524

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 09:36

Confirmed

525

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 15:15

🚨Trade🚨

Pete gets Robbie Ray
Tosh gets Framber Valdez
WG gets Josh Hader

526

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 15:19

Confirmed

527

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 15:36

Confirmed

528

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 15:43

523 approved

529

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 16:44

🚨 Trade 🚨

BH gets Thumper’s 2024 p3
Thumper gets p3.17

530

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 16:57

Confirmed

531

Species
ID: 1412613
Thu, Mar 02, 2023, 23:19

** trade **

blue hen receives
S1.08

Species receives
S7.16
P 2.16
2024 P5

532

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 07:22

525 and 529 approved

533

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 08:20

Confirm 531

534

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 03, 2023, 23:10

533 approved

535

Lyman
ID: 191372611
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 21:27

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

MATT RECEIVES
P-1.05
S-4.11

LYMAN RECEIVES
Joe Ryan
S-2.03

Drop Davis Martin from Lyman's roster

536

Matt G
ID: 37931259
Mon, Mar 06, 2023, 21:32

RE: 535 Confirmed

537

Species
ID: 1412613
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 21:45

TRADE

Taxman receives
S3.07
S4.07

Species receives
S2.14
S6.14

538

Species
ID: 1412613
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 22:02

TRADE

Matt G receives
S 2.07
S 2.14

Species receives
P1.09
S10.03
S11.03

539

Matt G
ID: 5223721
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 22:03

Re: 538 Confirmed

540

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 22:19

535 approved

541

taxman
ID: 49222314
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 22:38

Re: 537 confirmed

542

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Mar 07, 2023, 23:38

🚨Trade🚨

Tree gets s4.18 and p3.20
WG gets s5.18 and p2.18

543

Tree
ID: 4741579
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 15:43

confirmed.

544

Lyman
ID: 191372611
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 23:12

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

TAXMAN RECEIVES
William Contreras
P-pick 3.11

LYMAN RECEIVES
P-2.14
P-5.14

545

taxman
ID: 49222314
Wed, Mar 08, 2023, 23:18

Re: 544

Confirmed

546

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 09:35

537 and 538 approved

547

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 21:31

🚨Trade🚨

DK gets Blake Snell and s6.20
Thumper gets Jesus Luzardo and s4.10

548

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 09, 2023, 21:34

542 and 544 approved

549

Lyman
ID: 191372611
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 01:19

YoungRoman, please check your gmail.

Thank you, Lyman

550

taxman
ID: 49222314
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 19:52

🚨Trade🚨

Blue Hen receives
P-1.14

Taxman receives
P-2.03
P-3.03

551

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 19:58

547 approved

552

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 11:36

550 confirmed

553

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 15:15

550 approved

554

Lyman
ID: 191372611
Sat, Mar 11, 2023, 15:56

*****Friendly reminder to process the two supp picks from this previous trade.*****

MATT RECEIVES
P-1.05
S-4.11

LYMAN RECEIVES
Joe Ryan
S-2.03

555

ttucowboy
ID: 31142221
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 10:53

🚨Trade🚨

ttucowboy trades:

S 4.17
P 3.06

youngroman trades:

S 14.09
P 2.09

556

youngroman
ID: 515013
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 11:18

555 confirmed

557

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 19:33

555 approved

558

Thumper
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 08:21

🚨Trade🚨

WG gets Anthony Santander and p3.17
Thumper gets p2.18

559

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 11:19

554 processed. Thank you for checking!

I have processed 555 and 558. Technically still waiting on approval for 558 but there isn't anything here that will be of concern.

560

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 11:40

Jon Dowd receives
Clay Holmes, RP, NYY
6.13
8.10
24s11
24s14
Fosten receives
11.16
14.17
24s5
24s6

561

Jon Dowd
ID: 46143111
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 11:41

560 - agreed

562

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 13, 2023, 11:56

Please move to the new 2023 regular season thread moving forward.

563

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 18:06

These managers have had their 2023 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
5-12-21 GO receives Lyman’s 5th (Voit/Ray / 2022 P-pick)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Guru’s 2nd (McClanahan)
3-21-22 Jon Dowd receives Thumpers 2nd for his 4th (‘22 P-picks)
3-24-22 WG receives Thumpers 3rd (‘22 P-pick + S-pick swap)
4-29-22 DonkeyKong receives Jon Dowd’s last 2nd (3-way)
5-02-22 Code Toothpick receives Great One’s 2nd for his 5th (K. Gibson)
6-07-22 WG receives Great One’s 1st and 5th for his 3rd (Jansen)
6-10-22 Lyman receives Thumper’s 5th (T. Rogers/Chapman)
6-23-22 Thumper receives WG’s 3rd (via GO) (I. Anderson)
8-01-22 WG receives his own 3rd back (from Thumper) (Heim/Cobb)
8-25-22 Fosten receives Thumper’s 4th (Stroman/Santander)
11-7-22 Lyman receives 1.05 from Bobo for 1.11 (Torkelson / Eloy)
2-07-23 ttucowboy receives Thumper’s 1.20 (S-picks)
2-12-23 blue hen receives Matt G’s 2.03 and 3.03 for his 15.17 (S-pick)
2-17-23 ttucowboy receives WG’s 4.05 (S-pick)
2-21-23 blue hen receives Jon Dowd’s 2.16 for his 4.17 (S-pick swap)
2-22-23 blue hen receives youngroman’s 1.09 for his 1.17 (S. Marte, S-pick swap)
2-22-23 Lyman receives his own 1.11 back from Bobo (Musgrove, Espino)
2-24-23 ttucowboy receives Lyman’s 1.11 (Walker/Jung swap)
2-25-23 blue hen receives Bobo’s 5.04 (Suarez / S-pick swap)
2-27-23 blue hen receives Matt G’s 1.04 for his 1.09 (Wood)
3-01-23 ttucowboy receives WG’s 1.06 for his 2.06 (Teoscar)
3-01-23 blue hen receives ttucowboy’s 1.20 for his 2.17 (Tiedemann)
3-02-23 Thumper receives blue hen’s 3.17 (2024 3rd)
3-02-23 Species receives blue hen’s 2.16 (S-pick swap)
3-07-23 Species receives Matt G’s 1.09 (S-picks)
3-07-23 WG receives Tree’s 2.18 for his 3.20 (S-pick swap)
3-08-23 Lyman receives Taxman’s 2.14 and 5.14 for his 3.11 (Wm Contreras)
3-10-23 blue hen receives Taxman’s 1.14 for his 2.03 and 3.03
3-12-23 ttucowboy receives youngromans 2.09 for his 3.06 (S-pick)
3-13-23 Thumper receives WG’s 2.18 for his 3.17 (Santander)
3-14-23 Great One receives blue hen’s 1.04 for his 4.01 (S-pick swap, 24 picks)
3-15-23 ttucowboy receives taxman’s 2.03 for his 2.08 (S-pick swap)
3-15-23 ttucowboy receives Matt G’s 1.05 for his 1.06 (S-pick swap)
3-15-23 Species receives Matt G’s 1.06 for his 1.07 (S-pick swap)
3-15-23 blue hen receives Guru’s 1.169 (S-pick swap)
3-16-23 Thumper receives Great One’s 3.02 and 5.01 (future P-picks)
3-16-23 WG receives Guru’s 3.12 (S-pick)
3-17-23 ttucowboy receives Tosh’s 3.10 (Ford, S-pick)

564

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 18:06

Archiving our Prospect Pick trades for posterity before removing from the Constitution.

565

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 10:14

These managers have had their 2023 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-01-21 Species receives bmd’s 5th for his last (Morton, McCutchen)
8-26-21 Species receives bmd’s 4th for his 6th (Miley)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Species’ 7th for his 14th (Scherzer / Gilbert + prospects)
3-20-22 Fosten receives DK’s 8th and 9th for his 12th and 13th (Meadows, ‘22 s-picks)
3-24-22 Fosten receives WG’s 7th for his 10th (‘22 S-pick, ‘22 P-pick swap)
3-25-22 blue hen receives Matt G’s 5th for his 8th
3-26-22 blue hen receives Jon Dowd’s 6th for his 14th (‘22 pick swap)
3-29-22 Fosten receives WG’s 5th and 8th for his 9th and 11th (‘22 pick swap)
3-30-22 WG receives bh’s worst 7th for his best 9th (‘22 pick swap)
4-19-22 Taxman receives Thumper’s 7th for his 8th (McMahon / Grichuk + Gonsolin)
4-26-22 Code Toothpick receives blue hen’s 4th for his 8th (Whit / Yorke)
4-29-22 Code Toothpick receives DonkeyKong’s 2nd (3-way)
6-13-22 WG and bh swap 7th and 9ths back (deleting 3-30-22 swap)
6-18-22 DK receives GO’s 4th for his 12th (Pivetta)
6-29-22 DK receives Jon Dowd’s 4th for his 14th (S. Dominguez)
6-29-22 WG receives Tree’s 4th for his 14th (D. Robertson)
7-03-22 Jon Dowd receives Vampire Weekend’s 4th for his 5th (Verdugo/LeMaheiu /Hendriks)
7-28-22 Species receives blue hen’s 7th for his 9th (Mateo)
8-04-22 Taxman receives Guru’s 4th for his 14th (Crowe/Bautista)
8-07-22 GO receives Guru’s 3rd for his 6th (T. Walker) (corrected per post 293)
8-13-22 GO receives Thumper’s 4th for his 7th (Profar)
8-25-22 Fosten receives Thumper’s 5th and GO’s 7th for his 8th and DK’s 9th (Stroman/Santander)
8-26-22 WG receives his own 7th and 8th back from Fosten for his 12th and 13th (2024 pick swap)
2-05-23 bmd receives ttucowboy’s 5.06 for his 14.13 (Chourio)
2-07-23 Thumper receives ttucowboy’s 2.06 and 3.06 for his 13.20 and 14.20 (Springs, P-pick)
2-12-23 Matt G receives blue hen’s 5.03 for his 14.03 (P-picks)
2-17-23 WG receives ttucowboy’s 2.10 (P-pick)
2-21-23 Jon Dowd receives blue hen’s 5.17 for his 7.16 (P-pick swap)
2-22-23 blue hen receives youngroman’s 4.09 for his 9.17 (S. Marte, P-pick swap)
2-22-23 Thumper receives ttucowboy’s 1.07 (2024 P-picks)
2-22-23 Lyman receives Bobo’s 1.05 and 3.04 for his 13.11 and 14.11 (Musgrove, Espino)
2-25-23 blue hen receives Bobo’s 2.04 for his 8.07 (via Species - E. Suarez, P-pick)
2-26-23 Thumper receives GO’s 4.20 for his 12.20 (Peraza, Mitchell)
3-02-23 blue hen receives Species’ 1.08 for his 7.16 (P-picks)
3-06-23 Lyman receives Matt G’s 2.03 for his 4.11 (J. Ryan. P-pick)
3-07-23 Taxman receives Species’ 3.07 and 4.07 for his 2.14 and 6.14
3-07-23 Matt G. receives Species’ 2.07 and 2.14 (via Taxman) for his 10.03 and 11.03 (P-pick)
3-07-23 Tree receives WG’s 4.18 for his 5.18 (P-pick swap)
3-09-23 Thumper receives DK’s 4.10 for his 6.20 (Luzardo/Snell)
3-12-23 youngroman receives ttucowboy’s 4.17 for his 14.09 (P-pick swap)
3-13-23 Jon Dowd receives Fosten’s 6.13 and 8.10 for his 11.16 and 14.17 (Holmes, 24 swap)
3-14-23 WG receives Species’ 4.12, 5.07 and 5.12 for his last 3 (10th keeps, 2024 S-Picks)
3-14-23 blue hen receives Great One’s 1.04 for his 11.17 (P-pick swap, ‘24 pick swap)
3-15-23 taxman receives ttucowboy’s 4.06 for his 13.14 (P-pick swap)
3-15-23 Matt G receives ttucowboy’s 6.06 for his 13.03 (P-pick swap)
3-15-23 Matt G receives Species’ 6.14 for his last (P-pick swap)
3-15-23 Guru receives blue hen’s 2.17 for his 6.02
3-16-23 Guru receives WG’s 4.12 (P-pick)
3-17-23 Tosh receives ttucowboy’s 7.06 for his 14.15 (23 and 24 p-picks, Ford)
3-17-23 Tosh receives blue hen’s 6.02 for his 13.15 (P-pick)
3-19-23 Lyman receives GO’s 2.02 and 3.02 for his 5.11 and (‘24 1st)
3-19-23 Lyman Receives GO’s 5.11 for his 10.11 (‘24 4/12 swap)
3-23-23 ttucowboy receives Fosten’s 7.13 for his 10.06 (24 s-pick)
3-23-23 Thumper receives GO’s 8.02 for his 10.20 (24 swap)
3-23-23 ttucowboy receives Thumper’s 9.20 and 11.20 (24 swap)

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SuperDude
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Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 10:14

Archiving our Supp Draft trades for posterity here in the old thread.

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